h1-discussion

[stone rune]

ares cast

artemis attack

[crystal star]

Ok

And one for shield or sword?

[stone rune]

zeus

zeus

zeus

[crystal star]

Lol

I just did a zeus zeus run

[whole comet]

poseidon sword with poseidon/athena cast, maybe?

[stone rune]

idk the other aspects that arent beo kinda suck

[crystal star]

Ok

Ill do spear right now

Since spear is one of my favorites

[twin thistle]

uhhh achilles hunting blades idk

[crystal star]

Should I go for ares or art first

[whole comet]

spear huh, never get used to that myself

[twin thistle]

arty attack first

[crystal star]

Ok

[stone rune]

put already

[slim leaf]

hello

can someone help me on eighteen heat?

[stone rune]

what's your pact

[twin thistle]

^

and aspect

[stone rune]

easy pact for 18 is just like hl2 lc1 em2 bp2 mm uc td2

[whole comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJ_qJhcGEk&t=1601s
is this still the only youtube which clears heat 64?

[stone rune]

no

well

it's the only one on youtube

but first off it's routed

and second off it's not the only 64 clear

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1kx4y1V7kz/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=7658e3c42f3d573a7da0ccf6c6859ca0

[slim leaf]

i'll check

[whole comet]

this one said modded game, so also cheating?

[stone rune]

🗿

[twin thistle]

who wants have a winning run then get 5 sacked

[whole comet]

lol so i guess Zeus Shield is still the only weapon that can clear heat 64

[stone rune]

well yeah

[slim leaf]

@stone rune idk if the english names that i'll say are correct because my game its in portuguese

[twin thistle]

ri4 beo surely

[stone rune]

TRUE

have they tried getting mirage and holy loaded

[hardy spear]

just get the boons

[royal widget]

it's possible but it won't happen
i love that saying

[whole comet]

one thing i like about Hades for the competitive side

[royal widget]

if only you could use stygian soul with ri3

[whole comet]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ce411574a/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.0
one guy: I clear it under 5 min!

[stone rune]

why did someone upload bigp vod to bilibili

[royal widget]

my best is 8:31
ngmi

[whole comet]

another guy: that's slow. I beat under 3 min.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1134y1k7JT/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.-1

[hardy spear]

yeah but thats seeded

completely different category

[stone rune]

why did they put vorime on bilibli

[whole comet]

China bans youtube, right?

[royal widget]

the 2:54 guy is american though iirc

[stone rune]

bigp is canadian

[slim leaf]

@stone rune convienience fee 2
extreme measures 3
middle management
underwolrd customs
heightened security
damage control
tight deadline 2
zagreus bow, thats the 17

[stone rune]

don't use heightened security or damage control

[twin thistle]

uh dont do dc on zag bow

[stone rune]

those are awful

[hardy spear]

take off damage control, heightened security and convenience fee

[royal widget]

no
yes
yes
yes
NO
not yet
yes

[twin thistle]

also convenience free is not worth at 18 heat

[stone rune]

its fine

[hardy spear]

theres better options definetly

[stone rune]

can someone manifest a hammer fo rme

[twin thistle]

at least do cf 1 instead

[hardy spear]

hold on im casting a spell

[twin thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/1131354764047831040/image0.jpg for 18 id just do this

[stone rune]

just got the worst god forlorn room ive ever seen

[royal widget]

doublw nova

[whole comet]

what's the world record for speedrun?

[stone rune]

NO MORE UNARMORED WITCHES

4:30

[whole comet]

unseeded speedrun 4:30?

[stone rune]

yes

[royal widget]

unseeded modded

[hardy spear]

yeah

[whole comet]

lol modded?

[royal widget]

ofc

what's wrong with modded

[stone rune]

never speedran the game detector: wee woo wee woo wee woo

[twin thistle]

rolling 10 fewer roulettes every run is cheating hurr durr

[hardy spear]

modded is basically just quality of life changes to reset less

[stone rune]

3

[whole comet]

i'm not that familiar with modding other than model replacement

[stone rune]

nvm 6

7

[hardy spear]

🗿

[stone rune]

dontgetvorimed, each midboss, hammer, and sack

[slim leaf]

i'll try it

[stone rune]

wait tart midbosses are normal

6

and also you dont have to spend 2 minutes eveyr time you wanna reset

[whole comet]

in world of warcraft, some modders made things so bad that the devs had to ban them

[royal widget]

there's a Speedrun approved modpack

[hardy spear]

well this isnt world of warcraft is it

[whole comet]

that's why when people say mod, i wanna know the detail

[hardy spear]

look on the speedrun.com website

i think the leaderboard legal modpack is on there

[stone rune]

yea

on current version

it makes the game not miserable to play

[whole comet]

well maybe because i dun play the high end i just enjoy it

[stone rune]

yea its not enjoyable to get sacked and bad first hammer and vorimed and etc etc etc

[whole comet]

still just work with that's given and deal with it

[whole comet]

that's why i like Hades, never the same

and people at high end, i imagine they complain a lot like "this boon or hammer RNG or enemies combo sux"

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/1131091536579395676/image.png

[hardy spear]

tragic

[stone rune]

would have sub5d if fountain

imagine that

bu tlike

[whole comet]

what's the problem?

[stone rune]

20 more times

per run

[mint coral]

just a c34 patty away.jpg

[hardy spear]

was it a nice 50 seconds you had in that room

[stone rune]

30 yea

[raw herald]

If it weren’t for the timeloss it would have gone faster

[twin thistle]

just get a good elysium

[stone rune]

this is litearlly true!

im always saying this.

[hardy spear]

just get the rooms

[whole comet]

can someone explain what's going on?

[stone rune]

no fontan

[twin thistle]

What changes are currently in the modpack?

RNG Adjustments:

• Satyr Sack always found in two tunnels
• The first boon you get in a run will have all 4 core (Strike, Flourish, Shot/Flare, and Dash) boons available without having to reroll
• You can select a "preferred" hammer for each of the 24 aspects, and the first hammer you come across will always contain this hammer and nothing else.
• The Barge of Death, Tiny Vermin, and Asterius miniboss encounters are removed from the game.
• Fountain rooms have a visual indicator before you enter them, so that you can always know if you're selecting or skipping one.
• Thanatos encounters can be toggled on and off with a mod setting, for Ingame Time or Real Time optimized play.

Quality of Life Adjustments:

• An RTA timer that can persist across multiple runs is available ingame
• Quick reset functionality is available (a "instant death" button)
• Colorblind mod included by default
• Run start/end cutscenes (with Hades/the narrator speaking, repsectively) are removed
• The chamber number is always visible

These are the changes made when selecting the Multi Run and Single Run Rulesets.

maybe a bit outdated

[hardy spear]

good enough

[stone rune]

basically the same

[hardy spear]

gives an idea

[stone rune]

new updates are like

splits

no codex tech

[whole comet]

they even remove the satyr RNG? O_O

[twin thistle]

try getting a speedrun pb when you get 5 sacked

[stone rune]

do u wanna gamble 50/50 on whether or not u lose pace

an extra time

[raw herald]

Unmodded rush hits different tho

[whole comet]

i beat a Fresh File hell mode forced to 5 rooms, including tiny vermin b4

[stone rune]

ok?

and i bet it was slow as all hell because 5 sack is slow

[twin thistle]

fresh file and speedrunning are different things

[whole comet]

so yes, the gamble i would prefer to try my luck

[raw herald]

Fresh file is way more commonly run unmodded

[stone rune]

modded breaks first athena lol

you get like holy shield or something

[raw herald]

Afaik there’s not currently anyone grinding unmodded top times

[twin thistle]

tho ig not mutually exclusive

[stone rune]

did drk stop

[raw herald]

And in the last 3 months or so it’s been me, drk and nnevic?

[raw herald]

yeah

[twin thistle]

ff ME resets who wouldnt love grinding those

[stone rune]

ff grinders r soldiers

[whole comet]

The Barge of Death, Tiny Vermin, and Asterius miniboss encounters are removed from the game.
lol that's approved?

[raw herald]

Yes

It’s a seperate leaderboard, and everyone has the same modpack

It’s fair

[stone rune]

"lol you approved not having another rng 50/50 30s timeloss?"

[twin thistle]

they take way longer than the other minibosses so

especially vermin

[whole comet]

you know, Hades 2

people might as well ask the devs to make a version with no RNG

[stone rune]

modded still has rng lol

[raw herald]

No rng isn’t fun

[stone rune]

i wonder if seed system will be similar

[whole comet]

or, like Five nights at freddy

all RNG can be controlled

[raw herald]

Modded primarily removes the toxic rng that would be an early reset or a run killer near the end of the run

[whole comet]

like turn on/off a specific feature

[stone rune]

i wonder what the hades 2 reddit will be like

[raw herald]

Although stuff like fountain indicator is a ??? moment

[stone rune]

hey guys just got this 65 heat clear

[twin thistle]

i mean a feature like that you unlock at the end of the game wouldnt be bad

[whole comet]

fair enough, at the end

[raw herald]

Hades isn’t really a speedgame even though it has a timer

[stone rune]

we speedrun a gacha game

[whole comet]

like RE games give u the right to buy infinite rocket laucher after beating the game

[whole comet]

the way i see it, speedrun are for games with very set pattern

[raw herald]

yeah

I only speedrun hades cuz I find the core gameplay extremely fun to go fast with

[stone rune]

most of the classically speedran games still have ass rng

its just less present

[twin thistle]

well ppl like hades and ppl like speedrunning so why not do both

[stone rune]

because the designers for old games were evil

[whole comet]

and result in blaming certain more time consuming things are annoying lol

[blissful hawk]

Hey all, new here... what do you consider a decent time to complete a run?

[whole comet]

4:30 min is the world record

[blissful hawk]

:blinks:

[whole comet]

try aim for that

[raw herald]

The ingame victory clear messages are set at 15 minutes and 12 minutes, that’s a solid goal to start with

[blissful hawk]

ok well if that's true I won't be doing that.. ever

[raw herald]

10 minutes is achievable for most players with a bit of guidance for builds n stuff

[twin thistle]

dw we dont expect sub 5s beating td3 aka 20 minutes is a good first milestone

[whole comet]

i say 20 min is for starters

TD3 yup

[blissful hawk]

I must be taking so much time choosing boons >.<

[twin thistle]

in game time doesnt pass in boon screen

nor if youre paused

[whole comet]

or r u talking about real-life time?

[blissful hawk]

well both lol

[raw herald]

You can turn on the timer in settings to see when it pauses and stuff

[blissful hawk]

didnt think to go to the boon screen would pause it.. so i guess just standing in the shop and things like that

sometimes i just like to chill with charon

[raw herald]

That’ll bleed time yeah

[whole comet]

oh yeah, u need to pause at Charon shop

[blissful hawk]

I probably waste a lot of time at the boss battles no doubt

[raw herald]

https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI this is a great video for starting out

[blissful hawk]

lol thanks

I've only done about 4 successful runs so far but I did it without looking up help..

[raw herald]

Nice

Yeah I wouldn’t worry about clear times too much then

Once you’ve got the mirror maxed out and have a good knowledge of builds, sub 20 should be comfortable most of the time

[blissful hawk]

I am still struggling to figure out the best builds so will take more time to get faster

[twin thistle]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide heres a good resource if you want. tho mostly intended for after you unlock all the aspects/mirror perks

[whole comet]

sounds like u need more practice b4 aiming for 20 min run

[blissful hawk]

yeah i have unlocked most of them now.. most things are maxed

[blissful hawk]

oh definitely, was just wondering just out of curiosity

[crystal star]

I got a 19 min run on my second run with zag sword I think

But times dont really matter

I have only cleared 5 times

So i have much to learn

[blissful hawk]

Yeah it's more for personal development lol

I will say though, the story line has been very impressive so far imo

[whole comet]

well, beating TD2 in a comfortable pace might be something to consider first

TD1 is 36 min, too long, TD3 20 min is actually very tight

[blissful hawk]

TD?

[whole comet]

tight deadline

[blissful hawk]

more I don't know heh

[slim leaf]

@twin thistle Did it, thanks : )

now nineteen

I have about 100 hours of game, and a 16:06 minutes time record, is it good?

I had 40 clear runs

[gleaming sorrel]

I've never had so much money oh my god

4k

Hey in anyone's opinion what's the best bow

[stone rune]

hera

[latent moon]

rama

i cant aim

[main talon]

wish hazard bomb instakilled the player

[gleaming sorrel]

My bloodstone regens already so heras passive to Regen it faster is useless to me

[stone rune]

??

[gleaming sorrel]

Since it regens in 3 seconds and heras starts at 10

Heras bow is bloodstone drop time. I only have one bloodstone that regens itself instead of popping out of the enemy overtime or after death

[latent moon]

you lose burst damage

[raw herald]

Infernal soul is generally better for hera

[gleaming sorrel]

This in order to make heras good I'd have to switch, and I think that the Regen is just better.

[latent moon]

also the drop time doesnt matter if you instakill an enemy

[stone rune]

it's not

[gleaming sorrel]

Agreed

[stone rune]

infernal is better for cast builds

other than trippy

[gleaming sorrel]

Yeah I'm agreeing with you while saying I like Regen more

[raw herald]

On hera?

[latent moon]

if you upgrade hera it goes down to 5 secs instead of 10

[gleaming sorrel]

Infernal is good for hera but I use Regen so I'd have to switch it to use hera effectively

[royal widget]

have fun with trippy ig

[raw herald]

Switching isn’t too much effort lol

Especially for the benefit it gives you

[latent moon]

we were just talking about hera in #h1-builds-and-combat lmao

[gleaming sorrel]

Really? Haha

[latent moon]

the tldr is crush shot on hera, just blast everything

drop time doesnt matter if you kill them

do min charge volleys so you dont have to chase them that far

[gleaming sorrel]

Lemme go have a look

[royal widget]

beo/hera casting is always so clean
since you can load at any time

[gleaming sorrel]

I'm not well versed in everything name qise

[royal widget]

what builds don't want tidal dash?
besides ME/beo

[stone rune]

hera

rama

[latent moon]

arthur

[gleaming sorrel]

I'm getting into trying more stuff with posidon

[stone rune]

u can get splash dash on arthur

[gleaming sorrel]

Am I weird for building Arthur to be ridiculously tanky and just not caring

[stone rune]

just hard to use

[latent moon]

well if you play it typical with the 3 swings it's fine

but if you're doing dash strikes only it's incredibly difficult

[stone rune]

but also good

and kils styx

[latent moon]

you dont kill anything else tho

like unironically

[stone rune]

i mean

[latent moon]

you need way more precise timing on it

[stone rune]

its just hard touse

[latent moon]

even nalei doesnt like it iirc lmao

[stone rune]

#787779451865399368 message

[latent moon]

that was a bit ago i think

[gleaming sorrel]

Cause I just run Arthur to be a tank

[latent moon]

okay yeah she did get better at it

[stone rune]

holy crap that was last month

man

my school starts in like a month

[latent moon]

but like it's just better to not run tdash on arthur if youre doing dash strikes

[stone rune]

can i goomba before august 22

[latent moon]

no one's as good as nalei lmao

[gleaming sorrel]

Arthur was my favorite on xbox

[latent moon]

pull an ocke

[raw herald]

probably

[latent moon]

tank be kinda fun

[stone rune]

i turned on the beo switch

[gleaming sorrel]

Goomba?

[raw herald]

i did like 60% of my goombaing in January

[stone rune]

and learned how to actually play hte video game

[raw herald]

20 sub 6s

[latent moon]

20 sub6 runs

[gleaming sorrel]

Ah

[stone rune]

im a quarter of the way there

[latent moon]

idk why it's called goomba

but it's just a thing in the speedrunning community

[stone rune]

i did 2 yesterday tho

[gleaming sorrel]

Cause it gets stomped

[latent moon]

big gamer

true

[stone rune]

but i also have mgsv to play

[latent moon]

2 more a day

easy

[latent moon]

that's a scam

[stone rune]

true

[latent moon]

get the goomba

mgsv doesnt have goomba

[stone rune]

true

ill do that then

although you can goomba stomp

with supply drop

[latent moon]

true

just uh

dont do that

[stone rune]

well now i dont have to reset so hard either

since i can just go for sub6

instead of sub530

[latent moon]

you already had a sub530 for your first sub6 didnt you

[stone rune]

yea

but i wanted one where i didnt play like ass

and i got that for the most part

still was probably a sub5 seed

[latent moon]

lmao fair i guess

[stone rune]

but whatever

[latent moon]

my run was a sub5 seed prob

[stone rune]

game wastes all its sub5 seeds on us nobodies

[latent moon]

i dont feel like grinding for another sub6 lmao

[stone rune]

its rlly not much of a grind

its kinda just gaming

[latent moon]

i unironcailly only have like 4 sub7s

not including the sub6

[stone rune]

i have less runs in 6-7 range than sub6s

[latent moon]

they're all high sub7s too, 65x

[stone rune]

nvm i might have 1 or 2 more

[raw herald]

vruh

[stone rune]

theres the 601

[latent moon]

lmfao

[stone rune]

the 63x

the other 63x

and some high 6

[raw herald]

i have like 10 6:00-6:09s

[stone rune]

gg

[latent moon]

i have 0

i'm just that good yaknow

[stone rune]

i have 1 in hyper

it was the first beo run i ever did

i think

[latent moon]

601 or something

[gleaming sorrel]

Which god is best for Arthur in your opinions

[stone rune]

604 i think?

[stone rune]

nemesis

[latent moon]

oh yeah that

[latent moon]

aphrodite

[stone rune]

[latent moon]

just 1 smack everything

[raw herald]

Zeus is good for supplimentary damage

[stone rune]

yea smair

[gleaming sorrel]

So Zeus aphro

[stone rune]

MErthur

aph attack zeus call

[royal widget]

smair is good for everything though

aph call 💀

[gleaming sorrel]

Smair?

[stone rune]

aph/zeus duo

smolderin gair

[raw herald]

Artemis for big crits

[latent moon]

i'm gonna go do a beo run and get a 7:46 i'm calling it

[stone rune]

gg

im gonna do a beo run and get a 4:42

[gleaming sorrel]

Welp I'll go for aphro attack Zeus call and sup

[stone rune]

watch and learn fellas

[royal widget]

I'm gonna get 9:22 :/

[stone rune]

got chaos so basically instant sub5

hey guys i think they made a mistake

they put c12 unarmored witches in my order?

i didnt ask for that part

can they give me the skip back

[crystal star]

Not every day you can dash 5 times in a row… https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1056930188195278918/1131380664860676216/IMG_2472.jpg

[stone rune]

guys i didnt sub5

i think the game is broked

[crystal star]

Hey jazz

Look at my boons

Now tell me if I should take heroic athena attack

Im not sure

I have ares attack right now

[stone rune]

no

get athena dash

and their duo boon

[crystal star]

Ohh right I need the doom anyway loo

I have the boon

The duo i mean

[stone rune]

oh

then get the dash

[crystal star]

K

Im looking for it

I just havent unlocked reroll yet

No darkness

Do i take purple athena cast or blue blinding flash

[stone rune]

cast

[gleaming sorrel]

Welp got aphro for my attack at heroic

Run set lol

No she's at all tho

Zeus**

[dusty cloud]

hi

[stone rune]

hi

[slim leaf]

Hi, could tou help me at heat 19

[stone rune]

wha do u need

[slim leaf]

Theo pact

Idk what to put from 18 to 19

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1131409777893851237/image.png

[dusty cloud]

hades so fun! crazy

steam play started

[slim leaf]

Um actually with:
Tight Deadline 3
Underworld customs
Middle management
Benefits package 2
Extreme Measures 2

[stone rune]

1 point of hard labor

[slim leaf]

Thx

[slim leaf]

@stone rune did It, thank you so much

2 minutes over tight deadline 💀

Glory to Cerberus keepsake

[stone rune]

im washed

1 and a half hours and no sub6

2 runs elyd

[royal widget]

shackle or rose for aspho

hestia 32

[stone rune]

how many rolls

what build do you have

did u start ddash

[latent moon]

prob rose so you can take acorn into styx

[stone rune]

yea thats what id say

[royal widget]

1 roll
tdash and arty on rocket bomb

[stone rune]

🗿

i guess take aph and push it to midboss for rarity

[royal widget]

k

i do have epic Dem on atk though

[stone rune]

oh

what

why would you not just keep that

[royal widget]

idk

[stone rune]

just keep

do hourglass or zeus or something

[royal widget]

there's touch of styx so maybe hourglass?

[stone rune]

yea

[royal widget]

alr

[latent moon]

idr do you play modded maddie

because hourglass touch of styx before aspho lasts until dad

even assuming you get all combat rooms iirc

[royal widget]

i do

that's crazy

[latent moon]

yeah def hourglass then

[royal widget]

lol

[latent moon]

you already have an attack boon so you're fine

epic dem isn't too bad

[royal widget]

ddint think so

goddamn 23c

[latent moon]

23c?

[royal widget]

chambers

[latent moon]

oh lmao

yeah the math somehow works out

[latent moon]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

all combats is 24

so just get 1 midshop lmao

[royal widget]

explosive fire or triple bomb

[stone rune]

dpeends on how comfortable you are with trockets

[latent moon]

might as well just do triple bomb

explosive fire isn't helping too much is it

[stone rune]

its ok in ely

[coral viper]

What is heat?

I just escaped for the first time and I have no clue what the pact of punishment does

Also I have no clue what heat it

[royal widget]

makes the game harder for bonus rewards

max rewards is 20 blood/diamonds/ambrosia/blood per weapon

[coral viper]

Oooohh

Thanks!

Does the amount of times you successfully escape have any impact on the story itself

[royal widget]

There's more story after the first escape

[coral viper]

I mean yeah.

[royal widget]

I think after 100 escapes there was a new "questline"
but it's just talking to specific people, no reward for that

[coral viper]

Never knew that

I just finished my first escape

And imma keep playing

[royal widget]

It's not specifically 100, just a lot of runs

[coral viper]

This is legit my favorite game I have ever played

[royal widget]

it made me like metal

[coral viper]

Really?

Nice!

What metal do you like?

[royal widget]

Out of Tartarus is so good

[coral viper]

(I’m a big metal head too)

Literally the entire soundtrack is amazing

[twin thistle]

think its start condition is getting high enough affinity with most of the gods + giving a couple ambrosia not specifically a number of runs. though it does take a lot of them

[royal widget]

i meant nyx and ares

[twin thistle]

oh nvm

[chilly jasper]

is hades spear good

[twin thistle]

its pretty hammer dependent unless you go for merciful end

[native blade]

It’s a pretty versatile weapon, and in my experience most people like it’s most people’s first love.

But in essence yeah, at worst you’ll find something better.

[tepid light]

It's a perfectly good aspect, but it's really just regular spear with the added step of a spin first

[stone rune]

it kinda sucks

[tepid light]

Just apply the debuff, then stab them to death as you would otherwise

[native blade]

Guan Yu is the real hit or miss for folks

[stone rune]

it’s either bad guan yu or bad achilles

[tepid light]

I desperately want to like Guan Yu but it's so cumbersome to use

[stone rune]

depending on if you do serrated or exploding launcher start

[stone rune]

how so

[native blade]

That’s why it’s hit or miss, I like it cuz it keeps me zoned in like nothing else, but ofc peeps don’t like that.

Try God Mode

[tepid light]

Relatively slow attacks, and a 50% healing/hp reduction?

Like I feel like it speaks for itself

[native blade]

Personally I’m a Aspect of Hades andy but… it’s sub optimal.

[stone rune]

hp reduction isn’t that bad

and you don’t use the standing strikes

[tepid light]

There's literally no other way for me to phrase it other than 'I disagree'
Independent of how you play it, the aspect definitely is one of the least forgiving and any mistake hurts bad

[stone rune]

other aspects are less forgiving by having worse damage

like gilga or arthur or chaos

[tepid light]

That's

[stone rune]

your enemies live longer

so have more opportunities to hit you

[tepid light]

That's not what I mean at all

[native blade]

She knows

My bad Jazz

[tepid light]

I don't even know how to engage with that argument

[stone rune]

the best defense is a good offense

guan yu has good damage

[native blade]

Yeah, it’s a pretty subjective argument, you like what you like

[stone rune]

and is also quite safe

[native blade]

I disagree because of shield.

[stone rune]

shield has the best damage in the game

[native blade]

But yeah, try it out and see which aspect u like.

[stone rune]

cause the thing is

[native blade]

Yh, but that’s not what made me beat Erebus.

[stone rune]

guan yu is one of the highest actual range weapons in the game

[tepid light]

If something forces you to constantly and carefully kite and makes every mistake hurt that bad, that is in my definition neither safe nor forgiving

It may be powerful

But that's an entirely different thing

[stone rune]

most other high range weapons you still play in melee range

but guan yu u can pretty effectively use your max range since the special has good damage range and aoe

and also until like 32 heat this game is just pretty forgiving

you have a very lenient mistakes meter

that refills often

the easiest way to die at low heats is to have garbage damage

[tepid light]

I still feel like we're operating on very different definitions of 'forgiving' and 'safe'

Like for me the most 'safe' and 'forgiving' options in the game are the shields

[native blade]

^

[stone rune]

well yeah

[tepid light]

Because you can just hide behind the block and ignore 99% of what the game throws at you

[stone rune]

instakilling everything kinda is safe

[tepid light]

Still not what I mean

[stone rune]

well that’s what shield does

[tepid light]

See what I said above

[native blade]

But this a pretty worthless argument, it’s clear you both disagree, you wanna find an aspect like rii?

[stone rune]

it’s hard to die on shield because your enemies literally have no opportunities to hit you they just spawn in and get dead

as long as ur build is good

on guan yu that safety comes from range

you can stay really far away and deal good damage

basically not letting your enemies hit you

and it won’t take more than 2 or 3 hits usually to kill

[native blade]

Range really is it’s own kind of shield tbh tho, that’s one if the best things about spear.

[tepid light]

I once again point to my distinction between 'powerful' and 'safe,' shield is both 'powerful' because of what you're saying, and lso 'safe' because again you can just block everything

[stone rune]

i feel like these are intertwined

you can’t just separate such intricately related concepts

[tepid light]

I simply disagree

I think they are very different

Imo, Guan Yu is powerful but not safe

Shield is both powerful and safe (depending on aspect)

[stone rune]

why would you describe it as unsafe

[tepid light]

I've repeated numerous times why I think so

[stone rune]

it gives pretty minimal opportunities to get hit because you can quite literally play it safe

and just stay away

safety isn’t just tanking hits

[tepid light]

I think the disconnect here is that whereas you equate powerful with safe, i equate safe with forgiving

Which I guess means Stubborn was pretty correct

[stone rune]

well yeah forgiving is a different thing

something can be safe and still kill you if you make a mistake

cause you made a mistake

[tepid light]

Well at the risk of going in a circle with this argument, as I said, I personally think something that is 'safe' is also to some extent 'forgiving'

So if something kills you at the slightest mistake, that's not 'safe' by any measure in my book

[stone rune]

well like

[tepid light]

And it's not like people don't make mistakes, anyway

[stone rune]

if there’s a thing where you’re completely invulnerable in a small circle

but you instantly die if you venture out

that’s safe

and also unforgiving

[fiery anchor]

I have a mechanics question. What kills the big satyr here? Timestamp 1:35:13 https://www.youtube.com/live/zg2D4EmUQzY?feature=share There's a big 1900 damage nuke that obliterates it when the charm wears off, but what's causing it?

[stone rune]

even on gy you can make a lot of mistakes on hl0

[twin thistle]

when guan yu halves your hp meanwhile beo's downside is exactly 10% extra damage vulnerability

[tepid light]

Well I don't think you're going to convince me to change my view on the definition of 'safe'

Nor am I gonna convince you that 'safe' and 'powerful' are different

So

[stone rune]

could be a trap

also this build is so cursed

nope

those are two different damage numbers

[fiery anchor]

Oh wait yes, it's a sequence of hits building up to 1900, not one hit

But then what is it?

While it's charmed something is hitting it for like ~230 per hit

I wondered if it has something to do with getting armour broken & charmed at the same time?

[stone rune]

could be rubble from the pillar

if they had a shard

[uneven cloak]

btw if I'm trying to get perma resources to farm like darkness and gems, is it better to rely on the work order buffs and on darkness boss drops and those chests rather than room rewards?

[stone rune]

yes

room rewards are tiny

get oceans bounty and eclipses from chaos

[uneven cloak]

Because I was thinking of delaying Foresight leveling if that wasn't the case

good to know

hell mode made me actually use Darker Thirst constantly now

can't be too choosy with being still low on blood

[stone rune]

@fiery anchor it’s poison

[fiery anchor]

Is poison that strong?

[stone rune]

has an 8x multiplier on enemies

and something something idk

[uneven cloak]

Rare crop is so good

Triple Shot and Point-Blank Shot with Heroic Deadly Strike is so fun.

[crystal star]

What aspects is sea storm build good on

[hardy spear]

eris

[formal citrus]

Does blown kiss trigger the extra damage on hera if the arrow also connects?

[uneven cloak]

Finally, I've broken through the rough first win of Hell mode that the wins are coming in piles now.

[obsidian linden]

No

But keep that spirit

Now, I neef an answer

I'm using the twin fist of Demeter

And I need to know which one is stronger for the special
It's maxed of titan blood for 5 hits

Artemis or Aphrodite

[uneven cloak]

no clue. All i know is the speedrunner Jazz prefers ME build.

for Demeter aspect

[formal citrus]

It depends. Aphro scales better with poms, Artemis scales better with other attack % boosts. And I guess aphro scales unnoticeably better with crit sources lol.

[obsidian linden]

ME ?

[mint coral]

Merciful end, athena-area duo boon

[obsidian linden]

How this can be broken ?

The special is good by itself and slightly laggy

For me, it's broken on sword

[mint coral]

you add athena dash

so you can in one strike inflict doom and instantly proc it with the dash

[obsidian linden]

!

Seem bbrrroooocken now

Wait...

Do Athena's Call count ?

@mint coral

[mint coral]

if it's possible I've never seen it happen

[obsidian linden]

Lucifer's aspect

Eternal Chamber

Can be the most ridiculus abuse in the game

[mint coral]

if you are thinking of athena attack the deflect hitbox is only at the tip of the beam
oh nvm

[obsidian linden]

The community have tool, right ?

I've only my Switch

But we have to test that

Ares on exagryph's attack with Palutena's Aid

Maybe the new most broken combo on the game

[twin thistle]

thats just proccing ME with d dash but with extra steps

[sharp stone]

anyone else like having divine dash in Temple of Styx to just give those pesky satyrs a tatse of their own poison?

[formal citrus]

Really? I thought the call didn't deflect

[formal citrus]

Karma dash

[mint coral]

"Your Call briefly makes you Invulnerable and Deflect all attacks. Max gauge bonus: 6x duration"
I also thought that so I checked the codex lol

what I assume is that is like holy shield where the deflect is a short window?

[formal citrus]

I have no memories of it ever deflecting lol

Oh just right away not the whole time? I could see that

[obsidian linden]

Is cruel trust really good ?

[flat hinge]

are we doing anything

[gray apex]

It's useless

Unless you're doing some meme build

Swords want to dash strike strictly if you're playing optimally

No standing attacks

[flat hinge]

adding logo might be cool

[obsidian linden]

Thanks Mike

[stone rune]

artemis generally

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kRqJP2m-6w3WsZVQiCsQtgwbeUmV2lghJVJAfQV_nU4/edit?usp=sharing

[formal citrus]

What's the y axis there?

[stone rune]

it's like

well

i think it's this

the damage variations

[formal citrus]

What is that

[stone rune]

nvm

it might be extra additive on top

because aph just adds to additive but arty is multiplicative

[formal citrus]

Ah reasonable. What do min and max mean?

[stone rune]

that is actually the variations

so

heartbreak flourish is 80

common

but at rare it can be between

104 and 120

epic 144 and 160

so that's that

[formal citrus]

Ah

Wacky

[stone rune]

basically the answer is high rarity aph is better at high heat when you have few sources of extra additive

and arty is usually better at heats where your build is good so you have good additive

[formal citrus]

Also weak isn't bad

Chaos seems doable at high heat

[stone rune]

yeah but rare

it's like

if you see chaos in an early tart chamber

you might as well take it unless you had to so some kind of rarity resetting

[obsidian linden]

Very hard to read on a smartphone

[stone rune]

but the chances of not only getting a not bad curse but also an actually usable boost are minuscule

[upbeat walrus]

I wonder how difficult a mod with extra pacts would be to make

Jury Summons 6 +3🔥
Hard Labor 10 +5 🔥
Must Take Charon (guaranteed find) 3🔥
Forced Delay Satyr Sack +1/+1/+2🔥
Hungry Dog (he wants 500 obols) 3🔥

[latent moon]

What if you don't have 500 when you get to cerby and you went through all the tunnels

[stone rune]

you LOSE

and DIE

he EATS YOU

[latent moon]

Oh fun

[mint coral]

Cerb attacks Zag before letting him pass cuz he signed a pact that forces Cerb to eat coins

[latent moon]

Imagine taking js6 forced sack delay 3 and td3

Time begone

[stone rune]

tight deadline 7

you have 45 seconds per region

[latent moon]

Doable

C34 blue men don't exist

[formal citrus]

Do people avoid chaos on high heat?

[stone rune]

well

if you see a late gate

like

assuming you're on ri and ap2

[latent moon]

Depends on how high heat and amount of rerolls

[stone rune]

or at least ap2

[latent moon]

Yeah

[stone rune]

you avoid gates past like early tart

because the chances of getting a good boost are tiny and bad curses suck

[latent moon]

Like if you're not taking ap2 you can take them

Ap1 you can take chaos but I'd save rerolls

[stone rune]

and at high heat even making it midway through tart with like 3 boons is a notable run

[latent moon]

You might get shafted by a bad curse regardless

[stone rune]

oops! all roiling

[formal citrus]

Do you try to reduce rather than increase randomness at high heat? I assumed the goal was to get one in 100, not consistency.

[stone rune]

well

you take early gates

cause theres nothing to lose

but like

i guess it would theoretically change at like 60+

because you just need another good chaos

[latent moon]

Well taking less risky choices inherently help your run lmao

If you get something bad then your runs over, if you don't take anything at all you can probably still clear

[formal citrus]

But what about high reward

[formal citrus]

If you can probably still clear, is that really high heat?

[stone rune]

enemy rng matters more than boon rng

[latent moon]

Well yeah

[stone rune]

and bad chaos essentially is kinda like bad enemy rng

[latent moon]

If I can probably clear 50 with my current build that's still high heat

I might still die anyways

Also like

If you worked your ass off to get to the end of Ely and take a chaos gate, you'd throw away a lot of progress

Like if you have a pretty decent build that could probably clear with good gameplay, you don't want to throw it away

Just keep playing the same way you're playing and you could probably clear

[flat hinge]

kay it seems i'm braindead but anyone really wanan do in r/place

[latent moon]

If you do get something good that's great but you're also more likely to get something bad than good

[stone rune]

i feel like the reddit is more suited for that question

[flat hinge]

make sense

[twin thistle]

sometimes especially if you have rerolls and it isnt ap2, later chaos can be good for the time save

[latent moon]

then you get roiling

[twin thistle]

surely wont get only the worst curses as choices

[formal citrus]

Let chaos introduce chaos

[stone rune]

because just what high heat needs is more chaos

[formal citrus]

If it's high enough, seems like it

[zenith anvil]

This game is a hidden gem

It was sitting in my library for quite some time, decided to give it a shot recently and it's pretty wild

[bright warren]

Guan yu+Aphrodite on special+charged skewer

This build is genuinely fun

[latent moon]

The only good guan Yu build

[royal warren]

Just got to the credits. I love that you don't just complete the story in 1 run, the story requires more runs, and more, and more, and then it just KEEPS GOING. My favorite!

[crystal star]

@stone rune is poseidon hunting blades good or should I go with achilles or something

[chrome heath]

Achilles offers more damage, but you have to weave the special every four actions

Still much better, more mobile as well

[crystal star]

Ok

[stone rune]

im looking at my old vods and they seem sped up for some reason

apparently im set

i tried out 1920x1080 and my laptop just went 5 fps mode

[hybrid hedge]

is aspect of hades any good

[stone rune]

no

[hybrid hedge]

sad

[stone rune]

just get achilles

[hybrid hedge]

i mean yeah

but is hades good

i know achilles is better

[stone rune]

meh

locks out good hammer

and doesnt buff cast

[royal widget]

it requires standing still
which is bad

[stone rune]

basically worse guan yu

[hybrid hedge]

what should i put my titans blood towards, i already maxed my favorite weapon and idk what to put it towards

[hybrid hedge]

what hammer?

[stone rune]

flurry jab

[hybrid hedge]

ah

[royal widget]

do you have hidden aspects revealed

[hybrid hedge]

i have guan yu, beo and rama

you gonna say beo arent you

[royal widget]

max beo then max hestia

[hybrid hedge]

hestia?

[royal widget]

3rd gun

[hybrid hedge]

oh yeah i also have lucifer

[hybrid hedge]

is that the empowered after reload one

[royal widget]

yes

[hybrid hedge]

cool

also the one i already have maxed is demeter

[royal widget]

yea like i said

beo and hestia are strong and fun

[hybrid hedge]

aight

demeter most fun tho

i like special hitting 7 times

[royal widget]

heat:

[hybrid hedge]

is max heat possible?

[royal widget]

not with demeter

[hybrid hedge]

in general is it

[royal widget]

with zeus only

[hybrid hedge]

wowie

not beo?

[royal widget]

nah you need the extra cast stones

good for speed though

[twin thistle]

possible as in the best players could grind for years and maybe get it

looks like haelian is gunna do a video about it in the future so could watch out for that

[twin thistle]

also has the problem of dc2

and a lot harder to avoid damage than zeus

[royal widget]

what aspects can handle dc2?

at heat records

[uneven cloak]

Max heat means hitting the absurd deadline alongside enemy increase, tankiness, and DC. DC kills so many strong aspects

[twin thistle]

also you have to play most of the game no hit

including em4 dad

[uneven cloak]

EM4 dad with max HL

And if youre in Hell Mode....

Potential one hits

Splitters can end your run if you manage to eat the biggest balls they can throw in hell mode

[royal widget]

acorn my saviour

[twin thistle]

until dad summons triple butterfly balls

[uneven cloak]

After thinking on it, it does make sense why Zeus aspect makes it possible. Has blocking and a special that easily removes DC

[royal widget]

guess what makes dc possible on hestia

[stone rune]

nothing

[uneven cloak]

Zeus?

[royal widget]

the best dash boon

[stone rune]

still cant do it

the only way to do hestia dc is to do zeus attack and do fake eris

which is bad

[royal widget]

i could have sworn

[lapis harbor]

Is there a repository of the “go to” builds for each aspect?

[twin thistle]

pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[lapis harbor]

Omg buried so deep haha

[royal warren]

Lately (after reaching credits) I find fishing spot after final boss every time. Normal, or rare luck?

[latent moon]

Just luck

I forgot the chance for a fish to appear

Might be pulling out of my ass for this number but it might be 10%

[upbeat walrus]

I thought it increases every chamber

[latent moon]

Ngl I have no clue

[obsidian linden]

Hello

time for a new situation 🙂

I'm before extreme mesure Fury Sister

I have Lucifer

bought the Daedalus Hammer from Charon

I've no boon to my attack or special

3 choice

percing fire
eternal chamber
concentrated beam

[stone rune]

piercing

luci kinda needs zeus attack

[obsidian linden]

I love that combo

insane dps

but, isn't percing fire too soon ?

[stone rune]

other 2 dont do much

[obsidian linden]

I was going to write that I want to ditch that choice and look for the other 2

for me, the question is more like that:

which keepsake I take after the sisters?

[stone rune]

what did u start

probably zeus

[obsidian linden]

the Zeus + Eternal chamber or the Aphrodite + Concentrated Beam

[stone rune]

just do piercing fire

[obsidian linden]

ok

[stone rune]

unless for fated list

[obsidian linden]

cosmic egg

my seed have Demeter, Dionysus and Aphrodite for now

[stone rune]

dionysus attack isnt completely miserable

[obsidian linden]

...

[stone rune]

if you can get that and sell it before asphodel it'll give you some dps for furies

[obsidian linden]

they're the next room

[stone rune]

o

[obsidian linden]

I have Cold Embrace at least

might save my life

you're still on percing fire?

[stone rune]

yea

[obsidian linden]

ok

[stone rune]

best luci attack hammer i believe

[obsidian linden]

yes

I've taken percing fire

and still get eternal chamber at Elysium

[stone rune]

is triple bomb offered

[obsidian linden]

with my Zeus attack

too late

[stone rune]

triple bomb is by far the best luci hammer

[obsidian linden]

but I didn't see that

[stone rune]

so if u see it take it

and then just explode the thing

[obsidian linden]

yes, I know

triple Missile is worth ditching your previous setting

done it one time

best fun I've with that game

can you mix triple bomb with the big bomb that damage you ?

[stone rune]

no thats not compatible with lucifer

[obsidian linden]

wait

I'm clearly mixing up things here

there is a Lucifer exclusive triple bomb ?

[stone rune]

no

well

triple bomb isnt compatible with hazard bomb

and hazard bomb isnt compatible with lucifer

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

[obsidian linden]

ok ok

triple Hazard is probably too broken

F

dead

[stone rune]

gg

[obsidian linden]

time to Coronacht

Zagreus is maxed, everything else level one and I have 19 titan's blood

what is your advice

[stone rune]

level up hera

and hidden if you have it

[obsidian linden]

one or the other

I don't have blood for both

[stone rune]

then hidden

hera doesnt need a lot of levelling

[latent moon]

rama kinda funky

[obsidian linden]

Rama's double Shot is so crazy

[latent moon]

twin shot rama is incredibly strong yeah

[obsidian linden]

🤔

I always go for Aphrodite but I don't know is for Twin Shot Artemis is better

[stone rune]

aph better

[obsidian linden]

ok

[latent moon]

tbh either one is alright

[obsidian linden]

for the special...

Zeus

[latent moon]

if you do arty attack you can def work with artemis

[obsidian linden]

or something else?

[latent moon]

depends kinda

if you start with an attack boon you just take any flat damage special

if you want to start special and pick up an attack boon later, you start zeus

[latent moon]

reason arty works for twin shot rama is because twin shot already picks up the missing damage, but also shared suffering on the double hit is more or less another 120% (i think that's how math works)

[obsidian linden]

crazy

[latent moon]

and then ofc you have your hunter's dash ideally for another 50-70% or so

[obsidian linden]

ok

but let's be real and let's go for attack

[latent moon]

special start rama is also very real tbf

Mainly for speedrunning tho

if you want to start attack just go aphrodite

pray you get not common

[obsidian linden]

now the question is witch keepsake? (my English grammar is failing me)

Egg or Rose ?

[latent moon]

aphrodite

lmao there's no situation to ever start egg

[obsidian linden]

wow

poor Chaos

[latent moon]

a lot of the non-olympian keepsakes aren't worth using

the ones you do use are very good tho

[obsidian linden]

Shackle are good?

[latent moon]

situational for certain stuff but good where it's used

[obsidian linden]

Pom Blossom?

[latent moon]

boonless runs are one of the more prominent uses for shackle

speedrunning for some aspects

super high heat as well

[latent moon]

never

[stone rune]

mom pom no

[latent moon]

there's only 1 (one) situation to ever use it and it's on cast based weapons

[obsidian linden]

ok

[latent moon]

you start with it on tartarus and reset the run until you start the god you want

but also resetting for that isn't fun so no one really does it

[stone rune]

and it kinda sucks there

[latent moon]

could make an argument for doing that at higher heats

but in like a standard run i wouldn't do that

[obsidian linden]

resetting isn't instant so yeah, no

[stone rune]

:clueless:

[obsidian linden]

so

I'm in hell mode

and I still have to find 4 more heat

lmao

[latent moon]

wdym by find 4 more heat

are you trying to do like a 9 heat run or something

[obsidian linden]

I have to

[latent moon]

ah i see

uh

how comfortable are you with time

like do you typically do runs below 28 minutes

[obsidian linden]

seem feasable

[latent moon]

tight deadline 2 then

and then extreme measures 1 with that

that's probably reasonable

[obsidian linden]

I forget to precise, I'm not new anymore

I'm in Hell mode

195h into that game

[latent moon]

yeah i recognize your name lol i just wasn't sure about your time

[obsidian linden]

and 14 escape into that mode

[latent moon]

better to not assume how players deal with time esp considering i speedrun the game lol

if you can get under 20 you can just do tight deadline 3 and be set for the next few heat levels

repeat the same pact a few runs