well the thing is that bow actually does damage
#h1-discussion
stone rune
hardy spear
well the thing is that bow actually does damage
yeah well not for the first two shots because dc2 
native blade
Yep, I fought him once, I think he one phased me.
hardy spear
i could only see a pact like that being done with zeus shield
the js3 cp2 em4 is NASTY
mystic lark
I dont want to work tomorrow T_T
I want to play more. But it's already 02:53 AM here. God damn it.
native blade
Screw that guy.
native blade
I dont want to work tomorrow T_T
I want to play more. But it's already 02:53 AM ...
Cri, when u get off tmw?
Or today lol.
hardy spear
i dont have school because bank holiday 
mystic lark
Cri, when u get off tmw?
I usually wake up at 13:30. Working remotely is nice
hardy spear
oh
native blade
the js3 cp2 em4 is NASTY
It is actual suffering, Tartarus is actual misery.
Oh wait, I forgot to tell you this tho, I'm doing this on God Mode.
So it's really a matter of time
stone rune
i could only see a pact like that being done with zeus shield
rama
hardy spear
fair
native blade
full god mode?
Yep, it was 20% at first but... well...
hardy spear
native blade
I usually wake up at 13:30. Working remotely is nice
Very true.
native blade
especially with that RANCID mirror
Rancid? it's based.
mystic lark
Very true.
Was a bit worried that on a new place they would make me wake up early. But no, they were like "pls make it so that ur online at 14:00".
calm zenith
The fabled hunter dash start rama run
mystic lark
Honestly, I would prefer going full nocturnal. Working at night is so nice. No distractions
And playing at night is cool too :D
calm zenith
Im more active at night. I'd rather get a night job.
native blade
And playing at night is cool too :D
Very true, prolly less peeps monitoring u too
native blade
Im more active at night. I'd rather get a night job.
Same tbh.
hardy spear
got ourselves some real gamers here
native blade
What I hated at my old job tho was when I was closing and there's literally no questions but I can't even listen to some music.
latent moon
@stone rune I just realized that the 5:32 was my first run of the night lmao
native blade
got ourselves some real gamers here
True gamers see the sun rise.
mystic lark
I want to make a backlight for my monitor. One that changes color to mach picture. I made one before, but I did not take it with me when I moved to Israel. But now I can make even better one! When I will have tools. And parts... Which is probably not soon.
native blade
<@752689126448300033> I just realized that the 5:32 was my first run of the nigh...
Just a casual fiver
hardy spear
this cant be healthy
native blade
I want to make a backlight for my monitor. One that changes color to mach pictur...
That sounds awesome.
native blade
*this cant be healthy*
Healthy? Is that a new game? Never heard of it.
hardy spear
native blade
stone rune
<@752689126448300033> I just realized that the 5:32 was my first run of the nigh...
no way did you not reset
hardy spear
what a specimen
weak charm
90% of my boons are artemis lmao
fitting since im using a bow i guess!
maybe bow isnt THAT boring
mystic lark
That sounds awesome.
It was! I have a photo from 2019, when I just made it.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/228820690269110272/1102385323599724674/IMG_20190829_190157.jpg
hardy spear
very cool
lethal bay
Is aspect of Nemesis or Arthur better?
mystic lark
Is aspect of Nemesis or Arthur better?
I prefer nemesis, but Arthur can be good too
latent moon
no way did you not reset
I did reset
But like first run of the day lmao
No warm up
latent moon
Just a casual fiver
"entering aspho at 2 minutes sure"
"Oh I finished aspho in 58 seconds"
hardy spear
I did reset
wait you can see that you swap off chiron just before your run as well
you both got your sub 6 beos immediately after a chiron run??¿
native blade
"entering aspho at 2 minutes sure"
"Oh I finished aspho in 58 seconds"
-Enters Aspho
-Blinks
-Enters Ely
native blade
thats upsetting
Yeah, that's a particular kind of pain.
native blade
It was! I have a photo from 2019, when I just made it.
https://media.discordapp...
AYO!!!!!!
native blade
says its a gift to friends but i cant gift it to anyone
Damn, you're early in the game, it's for when u max out affection for a friend.
mystic lark
died when i only had to hit the final boss a few times to beat them
To beat him first time or the second one? )
native blade
Lel, fair.
mystic lark
hes got two phases?
Yup
hardy spear
native blade
hes got two phases?
I was... I was gonna say... they might not know...
mint coral
should have directed them to #h1-for-new-players
native blade
I didn't think u could get Titan Blood before u beat Hades first time
mystic lark
Yeeeeeeah, I may have ruined a surprise. But I got it spoiled too, lol
mystic lark
I didn't think u could get Titan Blood before u beat Hades first time
From beating meg
native blade
should have directed them to <#725021347968712724> <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Prolly should've, just thought that they had beaten Hades at least once if they're here.
native blade
From beating meg
Ahhhhhh.
mint coral
yeah meg/prophecies/trading/styx shop are a few ways for blood pre first win
tho I don't remember if there are titan blood prophecies that early
weak charm
extremely annoying to get
native blade
Indeed.
native blade
extremely annoying to get
Have ya unlocked Fists yet?
mystic lark
Is there anyone who's favorite is rail? I hate rail
weak charm
talos fists and achilles spear 🔛🔝
mint coral
rail is amazing
mystic lark
Talos fists are cool, yeah
native blade
Is there anyone who's favorite is rail? I hate rail
Rail is decently popular but you've essentially expressed my own feelings toward bow.
mint coral
then unless you have spread fire
(or playing hestia)
native blade
Is there anyone who's favorite is rail? I hate rail
Is it cuz u can't run and gun?
mystic lark
unless you are using % attack boons
So basically you can only use Zeus?
native blade
(or playing hestia)
Hestia is Bestia.
mystic lark
And ares
weak charm
aspect of zeus that looks silly
actually might save up for spears hidden aspect
decisions…..
native blade
So basically you can only use Zeus?
And Dio, Ares, etc.
mystic lark
Is it cuz u can't run and gun?
Yas
mint coral
Is it cuz u can't run and gun?
you can dash and gun instead
mystic lark
Rail sounds like Chiron but worse
weak charm
gun is only fun with zeus attack ngl
latent moon
you both got your sub 6 beos immediately after a chiron run??¿
Both? Did that happen to jazz too lmao
mint coral
Rail sounds like Chiron but worse
nowhere similar lol
rustic vale
Rail sounds like Chiron but worse
What
native blade
Ye, I really think they should've allowed u to run and gun, it took me a while to get over that.
rustic vale
Nothing is chiron but worse
mint coral
I remember the fused aspects mods had the ultimate rail do that lol
you could walk and shoot
native blade
gun is only fun with zeus attack ngl
Cap, it is the best choice for it tho.
mint coral
you could walk and shoot
it was weird tbh
rustic vale
Mainly because chiron is the worst chiron
latent moon
Rail sounds like Chiron but worse
Rails a lot faster and has a large aoe with the special lmao
native blade
you could walk and shoot
I'ma need a link to that mod.
rustic vale
With rail you have to stay still and fire. With Chiron you press special once.
Wdym just dash around
native blade
Rails a lot faster and has a large aoe with the special lmao
Indeed.
rustic vale
You aren’t locked into the attack animation like with chiron special
mystic lark
Chiron special is way faster then firing same amount of shots, no?
rustic vale
And it’s very hard to be a worse chiron when chiron exists
rustic vale
Chiron special is way faster then firing same amount of shots, no?
Same amount of shots isn’t what matters
hardy spear
Both? Did that happen to jazz too lmao
is this some sort of conspiracy
mint coral
the arthur aura sticks to you while walking lmao
weak charm
one cool thing: if you buy an aspect, go into a run, and then give up at some point you no longer have the aspect
i have taken advantage of this
mystic lark
Same amount of shots isn’t what matters
With Ares and dio?
rustic vale
With Ares and dio?
Ares is a high choice on chiron
but you can build ME rail
and dio strike is just inferior to zeus strike for rail (I mean so is ares but)
Dio works on chiron but ares is 🤨
mystic lark
rail is amazing
unless you are using % attack boons
rustic vale
> rail is amazing
> unless you are using % attack boons
Yeah
hardy spear
i used dio strike for my first 45 heat on eris and it worked pretty well
stone rune
> rail is amazing
> unless you are using % attack boons
yea?
rustic vale
Zeus works far superior to dio or ares
Dio and ares both work
both zeus is far superior
Ares needs merciful end to work well on rail
stone rune
ares “works”
rustic vale
No
rustic vale
Number of strikes exclusively matters if you are using dionysus on chiron
mystic lark
Any bow aspect. Just not rail
rustic vale
Any bow aspect. Just not rail
?
stone rune
what
rustic vale
what
stone rune
bow takes %
hardy spear
do you mean chiron is better than all the other bow aspects?
because it hits more times?
mystic lark
Number of strikes exclusively matters if you are using dionysus on chiron
Or ares. Or zeus.
stone rune
chiron triggers zeus only once
because of cooldown
and ares is ares
dire misfortune is i guess a boon that exists
but otherwise it doesn’t matter
rustic vale
Zeus lightning bolts have internal cooldowns of .2 seconds so you only get 1 or 2 bolts per special on chiron
mystic lark
chiron triggers zeus only once
I doubt that only once, iirc it did a few times
stone rune
I doubt that only once, iirc it did a few times
it is once and maybe twice with relentless
rustic vale
it is once and maybe twice with relentless
Nope
Relentless doesn’t increase the time between
Your special is the same amount of time with and without relentless
rustic vale
you can get 1-2 based on timing and more if you have double strike
stone rune
kinda stinky and bad
mystic lark
Anyway. When you use rail, you are forced to stay in one place while using attack. While using Chiron, you have to stay in one place only for a few seconds.
rustic vale
Uh
hardy spear
Anyway. When you use rail, you are forced to stay in one place while using attac...
dash striking
rustic vale
You can literally dash strike mid attacking
Which is already significantly better than chiron locking you in place
mystic lark
Okay, I think I will try rail again tomorrow, lol
weak charm
am i reading its description wrong or does Rare Crop sound super insane
latent moon
Anyway. When you use rail, you are forced to stay in one place while using attac...
With Chiron you're locked into your special and can't move
With rail, you can dash while holding attack
rustic vale
am i reading its description wrong or does Rare Crop sound super insane
It isn’t insane, but it probably works how you think
native blade
am i reading its description wrong or does Rare Crop sound super insane
You're reading it right.
What's the rarity?
rustic vale
Also rail doesn’t suffer from the same issues as chiron for zeus due to how chain lightning has a cooldown of .15s and rail fire isn’t as simultaneous on the hits
royal widget
Anyway. When you use rail, you are forced to stay in one place while using attac...
a few seconds is quite a lot
weak charm
theres what, four rarities in this game? 12 encounters isnt that long to max out boons
mint coral
not that many things actually benefit of rarity
rustic vale
theres what, four rarities in this game? 12 encounters isnt *that* long to max o...
And rsrity increase isn’t huge outside of select boons
mystic lark
Why do you all hate Chiron so much (
Idk about speedrins, but it is a really nice aspect.
rustic vale
Why do you all hate Chiron so much (
Idk about speedrins, but it is a really nic...
It’s easily the worst bow aspect
royal widget
not that many things actually benefit of rarity
ok but
red looks better than purple
so
rustic vale
No hate or anything
latent moon
I mean I don't hate Chiron lol
weak charm
i dont have chiron but in concept it sounds neat
rustic vale
Just objective fact
mint coral
ok but
red looks better than purple
so
wrong
hardy spear
Why do you all hate Chiron so much (
Idk about speedrins, but it is a really nic...
i think we're just biased because most of us play for speed or high heat where there are much better aspects
native blade
not that many things actually benefit of rarity
But the ones that do are goated.
rustic vale
I don’t hate any aspects i. The game I just have game kniwledge
mint coral
Why do you all hate Chiron so much (
Idk about speedrins, but it is a really nic...
nah I loved chiron when I first started
latent moon
It's just that other stuff are better and saying Chiron is better than like rail isn't exactly true lmao
mint coral
just that later you kinda notice how many weakness it has
rustic vale
It’s a lot easier to find chiron fun as a casual player
native blade
Why do you all hate Chiron so much (
Idk about speedrins, but it is a really nic...
It's fun, but I think their gripe is that it's sub-optimal.
royal widget
just that later you kinda notice how many weakness it has
there it is
mint coral
and the absurd advantages that other aspects have
rustic vale
Like in terms of bows
Heat:
Rama, Zag, Hera, Chiron
Speed:
Hera, Zag, Rama <-> Chiron
Build Skill Floor:
Chiron, Rama, Hera, Zag bow
latent moon
Chiron is great for casual play but falls off on the extremes
royal widget
stone rune
Heat:
Rama, Zag, Hera, Chiron
Speed:
Hera, Zag, Rama <-> Chiron
Build Skill Floo...
rama 5:26:
native blade
Just like fists lol
rustic vale
rama 5:26:
Which category
latent moon
Heat:
Rama, Zag, Hera, Chiron
Speed:
Hera, Zag, Rama <-> Chiron
Build Skill Floo...
Rama better than zag but also zag is a lot easier lmao
latent moon
Which category
Unmodded
stone rune
Which category
unmodded any heat
hardy spear
Heat:
Rama, Zag, Hera, Chiron
Speed:
Hera, Zag, Rama <-> Chiron
Build Skill Floo...
nah no way youre putting rama and chiron in the same tier
rustic vale
Kool
hardy spear
ocaml gaming
rustic vale
Sorry I haven’t updated this since Nyaanyaa and I went through it
latent moon
Rama and zag bow are interchangeable for 2nd/3rd
hardy spear
isnt rama unmodded like still 3rd place or something
rustic vale
Heat:
Rama, Zag, Hera, Chiron
Speed:
Hera, Rama, Zag, Chiron
Build Skill Floor:
Chiron, Rama, Hera, Zag bow
fixed
mint coral
btw is zag spear and eris still tied in a record (I dont remember what category)
latent moon
isnt rama unmodded like still 3rd place or something
Yeah it just got knocked down to third
mint coral
I just remember that happening
royal widget
ocaml?
stone rune
no
mystic lark
It's just that other stuff are better and saying Chiron is better than like rail...
Well, I did not know that you can dash while firing. X)
So I was always just firing, firing, firing, dashing while reloading, firing... And that sucks, lol
rustic vale
Well, I did not know that you can dash while firing. X)
So I was always just fir...
Also use the specisl
Rail special is huge
stone rune
which was the only zagspear sub6 until like 5 days ago
rustic vale
especially with the right hammers
stone rune
when zyro also did that
mystic lark
Special is nice, yeah
hardy spear
clockets
rustic vale
Rail special can be busted but getting rocket bomb and cluster bomb without rng manipulation is a pain
stone rune
nope
hardy spear
its somewhere on the speedcord
stone rune
9/99 ish
mint coral
yeah no way is that low lol
rustic vale
9/132 or something
That makes a lot more sense
stone rune
from unmodded
it changes a little based on if u got cluster or rocket first
because cluster means no triple
rustic vale
Yep
hardy spear
#787779451865399368 message
whats this then
stone rune
i mean
native blade
native blade
This should be fun'
native blade
It was in fact, not fun.
rustic vale
https://discord.com/channels/523766637212598276/787779451865399368/8645665392986...
A) back from 2021
B) no math given
hardy spear
i def saw the math somewhere
if not we could just work it out now shouldnt be too hard
rustic vale
plz show because that’s sus
stone rune
let's see
rustic vale
I’m gonna go shower
hardy spear
so theres 12 total possible hammers right?
stone rune
so we're at 3/12
but it's like
well
we'll consider cluster -> rockets and rocket -> cluster diff
so
3/12
and then
rocket cancels out
hazard
rustic vale
How do you do cluster rocket dif
stone rune
that's it
hardy spear
uhm
stone rune
so
hardy spear
what
stone rune
3/12*3/11
and then
for cluster -> rockets
it's 3/12
and cluster locks out triple and hazard
hardy spear
this aint how math works i hate to tell you
stone rune
so 3/10
zawg i took a probability class
3/12*3/10
so the first one is 9/121
the second one it 9/120
nope
thats not what that is
132?
132
9/132+9?120
is 0.143
so i guess cgull was right
rustic vale
Hmm
hardy spear
yall didnt believe me
rustic vale
yall didnt believe me
Yeah because you’re hamie jo
hardy spear
valid
hardy spear
i was trying so hard to find the math man 
hardy spear
Biased from experience
anecdotal evidence do be doing things
rustic vale
True true
Anyways 100% of my game knowledge of Hades if from anecdotal experience
Lightning bolt cooldowns being .2s was something I measured with a stop watch in one hand and a controller in the other (definitely real guys)
stone rune
man this game sucks i'm gonna play gorbino's quest
rustic vale
man this game sucks i'm gonna play gorbino's quest
Go play gungeon instwad
hardy spear
#523766792963751936 message
heres the message i was originally thinking about if you care
weak charm
how does empowering flight work with aspect of zeus?
with zeus your special hits an enemy every second
rustic vale
how does empowering flight work with aspect of zeus?
It only proks once the shield comes back to you
rustic vale
I mean the alternative is permanent buff to attack
stone rune
gorbino's quest is literally the best game ever?
stone rune
gorbino's quest has gorbino
rustic vale
Bouldy >>> Gorbino
hardy spear
he makes a compelling point you must admit
stone rune
gorbino is the best character ever
stone rune
gorbino's quest literally has 500 hours of mind-pumping action
rustic vale
Bouldy has infinity hours of mind-pumping action
rustic vale
Ew bouldy ripoff
weak charm
arctic blast (enemies with 10 stacks of chill explode) + pulverizing blow (your attack hits twice) is fun
you can make enemies explode in two seconds less!
native blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1102403636019077161/i...
We gorbin, we gorbin?
native blade
you can make enemies explode in two seconds less!
Indeed, I'm glad you're seeing the greatness of Grandmother.
Don't piss her off
weak charm
i dont know how but i made it to the final boss without losing my death defiances or skellys keepsake
||ive already beaten the first phase||
native blade
i dont know how but i made it to the final boss without losing my death defiance...
You're just better.
weak charm
I GOT SO CLOSE
A QUARTER OF HIS HEALTH BAR WAS LEFT
the weird laser attack got me
no clue how to counter that
stone rune
weak charm
what does this mean
weak charm
i always forget to use my cast so itll be helpful
mint coral
(btw there is also a guide in #h1-for-new-players pins in what you can expect from each aspects respect to how powerful they are)
mint coral
you load your casts and they all release at once at the end of your attack
it allows for great burst dmg if you use it with something like aphro cast
royal widget
||ive already beaten the first phase||
THERES A SECOND PHASE?
rustic vale
THERES A SECOND PHASE?
Just wait till you hit phase 8
royal widget
native blade
THERES A SECOND PHASE?
Damn.
Does this happen a lot in this channel? I’ve seen twice in the same night.
native blade
Just wait till you hit phase 8
Bro, phase 13 is so damn annoying.
rustic vale
Does this happen a lot in this channel? I’ve seen twice in the same night.
Classic MagicMaddie comidy
native blade
Classic MagicMaddie comidy
Indeed
weak charm
do you keep the boosts from hermes/thanatos’ keepsake when you change your keepsake
mint coral
nope
weak charm
darn
just beat theseus without getting hit
how was i struggling with this dude five hours ago ☠️
i almost wanna not switch to skellys keepsake when i enter styx
(i will absolutely switch my keepsake to skellys when i enter styx)
mint coral
do you have acorn from eurydice?
weak charm
yeah
mint coral
what lvl it is?
weak charm
1, havent even used it yet lol
mint coral
max lvl is way better than skelly keepsake
weak charm
ill try it out
native blade
Just beat the Champions, now for the real challenge.
latent moon
it do be like that
native blade
it do be like that
Bro, I literally died because the Fates hated me.
My game glitched and no matter what I tried to do I had to stand there and watch Hades beat my my motionless body.
I... How?
native blade
Bro, I didn't even get to his second phase.
native blade
didn't this happen before actually lmao
WAIT YOU'RE RIGHT!!!
WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING!!?!?
latent moon
well there's no pots in phase 1
so that's a different issue
last time it was 100% a pot
native blade
Indeed.
native blade
what were the summons
Hold on, lemme re watch the clip.
...
.......
............
IT WAS THE DAMN OVERLAY!!!!
latent moon
i can't open the thing and i dont wanna download it lmao
latent moon
did you alt tab to the overlay or something
native blade
did you alt tab to the overlay or something
Yeah, I must've button mashed it and it glitched the game or something.
I'm so pissed.
weak charm
is there a way to know if youve beaten the furies and bone hydra with a weapon yet
i honestly forgot what weapons i havent used much yet
rustic vale
is there a way to know if youve beaten the furies and bone hydra with a weapon y...
Yes
weak charm
and i need titan blood for quan yu
mint coral
before first win is just memory
but also is just a run to meg so it can't take that long to check
rustic vale
If you haven’t escaped yet then it will just have to be using the weapon and checking in between areas
weak charm
havent used exagryph much yet i dont think
i have a very funny artemis build idea with the gun
rustic vale
If if’s support fire focused it’s gonna be
weak charm
what does medusa emote mean
mint coral
everything
weak charm
she looks mildly worried
rustic vale
she looks mildly worried
Anything it needs to mean
In this case it doesn’t mean good things
native blade
havent used exagryph much yet i dont think
i have a very funny artemis build id...
Does it involve putting artemis on atk? 
weak charm
artemis on everything ever
royal widget
pressure points ong
rustic vale
That is certainly an idea
royal widget
btw what doesnt Marked apply to?
stone rune
nothing
maybe meg or trap
probably or else eris players would gomble the meg
on heroes
wouldnt be much of a gomble thouggh
rustic vale
maybe meg or trap
It applies to those
rustic vale
it’s like true global additive but true global crit
rustic vale
Iirc
latent moon
4% pp meg crit anyone???
rustic vale
The answer is yes
rustic vale
4% pp meg crit anyone???
No
latent moon
:(
latent moon
oh right
rustic vale
like how meg damage is only affected by true global
latent moon
yeah that makes sense
so is the idea like
crit a waveskull, mark dad, and then meg
and hope you crit
native blade
artemis on everything ever
I had a really fun full Artemis run once, it was pretty fun.
calm zenith
Walking into Champs with my HM Maim Meg build.
Hit em with 13.5k damage
I really like Artemis builds. I was starting up a Beo special run and got epic flourish as my first boon. Good sign. But hammer doesnt appear for a while and I get Dread Flight when I do. But it's pretty good with the crit.
But all the other gods suck and Ares wont even give me Battle Rage so I quit before Furies.
Zeus and Demeter. Also a bad Hermes.
native blade
Walking into Champs with my HM Maim Meg build.
I agree with your name, maim is actually good, what's HM mean tho?
latent moon
hunters mark prob
stone rune
how are you building it
latent moon
true shot
compact dawn
Does anyone here genuinely like using Lucifer?
Because god damn, I just tried using it without any upgrades and the DPS is painfully bad
compact dawn
I like Eris
latent moon
the ramp up is neat but not what makes luci good
the special, when fully upgraded, does 100 damage
so ideally you get lightning strike and the triple bomb hammer
compact dawn
I play on console so autoaim screws me with Lucifer's special
latent moon
oh yeah that's not fun
i heard a lot of controller players dont like using luci special
the top luci player uses a mouse to aim it in certain boss fights lmao
it's generally okay for the most part, but it takes practice
compact dawn
Are you talking about a speedrunner or hitless player?
latent moon
from what i hear anyways
latent moon
Are you talking about a speedrunner or hitless player?
speedrunner
i think the wr heat player plays kbm so no fancy mouse tech
but in regards to speedrunning, the runner uses the mouse in certain fights
compact dawn
the top luci player uses a mouse to aim it in certain boss fights lmao
You're telling me they switch from controller to kbm just for bossfights?
latent moon
kinda shows that aiming luci special on controller can be kinda bad lmao
latent moon
<:shadesmile:520447982727069737> You're telling me they switch from controller t...
no they like
have the mouse nearby and they just click when they have to
they do their own thing and then just use the mouse lmao
yesterday he was in a relay race using luci, and you can see him use the mouse to aim the special while fighting hades
stone rune
steam deck for yoptimal luci play
latent moon
stone rune
wait why theee
latent moon
also yeah on steam deck you can just tap the screen lmao
stone rune
tapping special on game pad shoots at your feet right
latent moon
doesn't it auto aim to nearby enemies
midnight delta
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1102481679286804560/...
526 nektar 
latent moon
that's just a maxed save file lmao
all the resources are basically cheated in
so that you can have everything unlocked with as little runs possible
midnight delta
😄
latent moon
because apparently if you have too many runs on a save file, the game starts to slow down lmao
specifically entering rooms
and loading times can be a big deal, especially in a relay race
calm zenith
I play on console so autoaim screws me with Lucifer's special
Learn to play so it benefits you instead of screwing you, basically.
Best tip I can give.
Triple bomb makes it easier. Just shoot them off as often as possible
latent moon
aspect of triple bomb
all the other hammers are kinda mid lmao
helpful for sure but incredibly lackluster compared to triple bomb
native blade
Because god damn, I just tried using it without any upgrades and the DPS is pain...
I-I do.
native blade
hunters mark prob
Ah
upbeat lodge
How does Achilles spear interact with demeter cast?
inland charm
@native blade your nickname reminds me...
what's the difference between death defiance and stubborn defiance?
i think stubborn defiance is the worst version of death defiance?
rancid panther
I prefer stubborn defiance in most cases, the refresh after every encounter can be very helpful.
I also tried messing with a build that relies on dying 
But I'm a noob so what do I know
upbeat lodge
<@487088178616860692> your nickname reminds me...
what's the difference between ...
Death defiance is every encounter (and bypasses lasting consequences)
inland charm
And for stubborn defiance?
rancid panther
Death defiance is every encounter (and bypasses lasting consequences)
Isn't it the other way round|?
upbeat lodge
Yes sorry that's what I meant
calm zenith
How does Achilles spear interact with demeter cast?
The cast is boosted for the entirety of its duration
Achilles is an amount buff not a duration buff
So if the cast is boosted then its boosted for its entire duration
floral ledge
hey guys returning player here
i was wondering if anyone has a document, FAQ, or something to run builds
because i forgot almost everything
im starting to remember slowly but I used to have some preset builds to run, now I can't even remember what are the good mirror upgrades
native blade
i think stubborn defiance is the worst version of death defiance?
I’d say that’s true most times, I play it cuz I think it’s cool and it’s a fun challenge to beat it like this.
native blade
I prefer stubborn defiance in most cases, the refresh after every encounter can ...
Hey, I was a noob once too, but I’m a noob with a lot of wins, you’ll be fine.
rustic vale
i think stubborn defiance is the worst version of death defiance?
Stubborn defiance eventually becomes better way way later down the line at 32+ heat
limber ether
(when LC4 is on, as that's the only way you can heal)
mystic lark
no clue how to counter that
- Hide behind huge pillars
- Go and hug daddy, there is a small space around him where lasers wont damage you
- Use shield
Hiding behind pillars is way easier ofc
inland charm
Stubborn defiance eventually becomes better way way later down the line at 32+ h...
Sounds fun, gotta try it out
royal widget
it really is
mint coral
Funniest thing of stubborn is the part where you try to reset your ho and you already used your sd
rustic vale
Funniest thing of stubborn is the part where you try to reset your ho and you al...
Reset SD after Lernie fight
Hi Hypnos
mint coral
Something something
Egg!
upper thorn
hi help me choose pls
im running beowulf poseidon mirage shot
now i have artemis attack, and poseidon cast
this is my 3rd boon
artemis offers me
EPIC hunter's mark (yes i know)
and MIrage Shot
which one should i take
latent moon
Mirage shot no contest
latent moon
Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb moment
upper thorn
k thank you mirage shot it is
latent moon
it's so soon in the run tho so I thought I should ask
Yeah early duos are good lmao
You can force Artemis into asphodel if you want marked
royal widget
nope
upper thorn
out of tartarus already lvl 5 cast wtf
royal widget
sea storm is bugged and doesn't work with flood flare
royal widget
it's not worth hunting
chaos or poms are the best you can get after Marked (optional)
mystic lark
I usually get artemis legendary when not looking for it. And dont get it when I want it :D
royal widget
well
stone rune
why not
royal widget
breaking wave is higher priority but wave pounding is also excellent
stone rune
pon would be better though
gray apex
Breaking wave useless on beo
stone rune
breaking wave is higher priority but wave pounding is also excellent
beaver useless
on beo flood flare
royal widget
is that so
upper thorn
lmao wave pounding common
upper thorn
epic razor shoals
stone rune
now just pom the cast
upper thorn
this game rtrolling
gray apex
Shoals also not that amazing
upper thorn
i can't find any poms sadly ;/
gray apex
Just take wave pounding
stone rune
get cast to level like 6 or something
raw herald
That’s fine
stone rune
ok that’s fine
royal widget
rarity?
stone rune
literally juiced build
upper thorn
EPIC
royal widget
that's hot
raw herald
Common 10 = epic 6
upper thorn
still 3 cast tho so sad
stone rune
common flood flare lvl1 won’t one shot witches and that’s the only rarity breakpoint i know
raw herald
It’s not worth resetting for but it’s fairly significant
stone rune
is the bot dead again
raw herald
Hellfire?
stone rune
yea
raw herald
Poms after level 6 add 6 damage, common to epic is +24 damage
raw herald
True
upper thorn
wtf this build so broke
stone rune
yea….
mint coral
Beobug
upper thorn
LMAO WTF EPIC PP AND EPIC HUNTERS MARK
stone rune
hunters mark
upper thorn
game pls gimme fully loaeded
stone rune
pp can be big money but it’s a high roll and marked is busted for heroes
you don’t even have it open
you need like 2 more boons
mint coral
Yeah fully loaded is a myth
stone rune
oh yes 40sec theseus and minotaur
with practice you can knock a 0 off that
upper thorn
the only prob i see so far is i have 115 health
native blade
I ACTUALLY DID IT!!!!
upper thorn
oh yes level 12 flare
native blade
Wait... Is NyaaNyaa gone?
upper thorn
yay new record
native blade
might ask her why eventually
Sigh… That sucks.
stone rune
yea
floral ledge
is there a document or something for combos?
I'm currently running achilles, thought projectiles worked well but they aren't doing much
i got zeus projectiles
raw herald
Zeus on attack or cast?
floral ledge
on cast
dire tendon
it's not worth hunting
while its true that sea storm isnt worth hunting honestly its not bad damage if you get jolted along the way
since it procs off of rush and dashstrike
floral ledge
baby burp I picked Hades instead of achilles... RIP
raw herald
That’ll do it
royal widget
while its true that sea storm isnt worth hunting honestly its not bad damage if ...
i meant fully loaded isn't worth hunting
sea storm literally just doesn't work on flood flare
raw herald
Procs off the attack
royal widget
analog elbow
If it will help your build, it's worth going for specifically imo
Unless you just want to play the same cookie-cutter build all the time, every time
dire tendon
also personally if you run mirage beo and get lucky enough to get mirage in tart its not too impossible to go for loaded
stone rune
If it will help your build, it's worth going for specifically imo
what
wave pounding will help your build
does that mean you force wave pounding every time
dire tendon
with beo the funky thing about your build is that you have like 3 boons that matter
so you can kinda just do whatever you want as long as it doesnt hurt your odds of finding those 3 boons and pomming flare
which is why, if say I've been forced into a zeus core in tart, I don't mind keeping it for sea storm if I've already got mirage
but I won't go looking for sea storm once I've got mirage without a zeus core because it's a waste of a keepsake slot
analog elbow
does that mean you force wave pounding every time
You misunderstand, I was referring to Duos since that's what the convo was about
But since you seem to be talking about speedrunning specifically, just ignore me
dire tendon
Oh yeah if you’re not going for optimal play yeah go ahead get the funny green and orange boons
They’re funny for a reason
tropic shadow
What dialogue made you laugh for a good while?
royal widget
when skelly's employer is revealed
tropic shadow
Mine is when Dusa tells that once Cerberus stopped mistaking her for a ball, they got along fine
analog elbow
The sword prank got me really good
mint coral
What dialogue made you laugh for a good while?
that blasted hydra never listens to my feedback
royal widget
Would that you cleaned your chambers with such efficiency!
latent moon
that blasted hydra never listens to my feedback
"he had a family!"
sour fog
for me it's the one with Theseus after you get Asterius's autograph, where he basically tells you he wouldn't give you his underwear
floral ledge
well, I'm almost done with the game. Seems like I need to beat it in heat 16 to collect one item
there are also chamber upgrades, IDK what those are for
but it seems like I can only upgrade once between runs?
latent moon
Wdym by chamber upgrades
Work orders at the house contractor?
Or like other renovation stuff
Oh wait the resource director
mystic lark
Work orders at the house contractor?
I guess he is talking about ranks
floral ledge
no, like you go into HAdes' chambers and you can give that guy a ridiculous amount of stuff for something.. IDK what that does
latent moon
It's just purely cosmetic
mystic lark
well, I'm almost done with the game. Seems like I need to beat it in heat 16 to ...
32 heat tho, for last skelly statue
latent moon
It's a resource sink after you finish everything and don't have anything else to do
mint coral
resource sink basically
floral ledge
alright, since I already hit the epilogue I'm just trying to 100% steam achievements and then I'll drop it
latent moon
Just a "screw it take my darkness"
latent moon
alright, since I already hit the epilogue I'm just trying to 100% steam achievem...
What about the last heat reward from skelly
floral ledge
hypnos still has his story blocked tho
floral ledge
What about the last heat reward from skelly
i don't really care. I might grab it at some point but I'm just clearing Hades from the backlog just in case I pick up the next one on release (unlikely but still(
mystic lark
alright, since I already hit the epilogue I'm just trying to 100% steam achievem...
Yeeeeah, I thought so too. First I got all achievements. Then I got all skelly statues. Then I finished all prophesies. And here I am now, 530+ hours, trying to finish all cosmetics and ranks before second game cames out
floral ledge
I think so. I'm not sure what happened but... like they were implying I wanted to take him to bed and MEg was OK... I never wanted to in the first place but since romances are made for children it's literally indistinguishable
floral ledge
lol
mint coral
as you need to talk to Than a lot
mystic lark
Romancing Than was a pain in the ass, he is never home >:
Him getting approval from mom was cute tho
floral ledge
half the gods still have their last heart slot locked too
mint coral
their favors are in the wiki
some of them can be done by just playing but some are just lol
mystic lark
half the gods still have their last heart slot locked too
Wait, how did you get epilogue then?
Didnt epilogue require maxing out gods?
floral ledge
yeah well I don't care about cartoon romance tbh, but I kinda felt stabbed when they told me "thank him? Either option is OK" AND BOOM NOW WE GAY 😐
latent moon
yeah well I don't care about cartoon romance tbh, but I kinda felt stabbed when ...
It's also ancient Greece, everyone is gay lmao
stone rune
yeah well I don't care about cartoon romance tbh, but I kinda felt stabbed when ...
we were always gay
floral ledge
ye but I wanted to romance medusa
sour fog
you can do all romances
floral ledge
she said she wanted to be my BFF
anyway I really don't care, but huge miss on that meme, big L
mystic lark
IIRC at first Dusa was a real romance root, but her voice actor said thats gross, lol
I'd like more development with heroes and fury sisters...
floral ledge
it is gross, that's why it was my preferred choice
it's a cartoon disney game after all
anyway, still gotta find a legendary dyo power. Are there any weapons that work well with him
native blade
What dialogue made you laugh for a good while?
When Hypnos tells you to go die again, 
it was around the same time he asked for the autograph too so I was like “frick you meanie, I’m deliberately not talking to Asterius now.
ember ivy
Any tips on how to catch a very rare fish? It seems like im really not fast enough
calm zenith
ye but I wanted to romance medusa
Several npcs represent different forms of Greek love. Dusa represents what we now call Platonic love.
stone rune
Any tips on how to catch a very rare fish? It seems like im really not fast enou...
Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.
Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.
A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.
calm zenith
Any tips on how to catch a very rare fish? It seems like im really not fast enou...
I wait for the noise. Find an indicator to aim for.
median root
Wonderful ppl hello hello sorry for the off topic but I wonder If any of u have played cult of the lamb, I really doubt myself will I like it or not cuz I love rogue likes I love dead cells, isaac, hades and even new releases like Astral ascend. But from ur guy's pov what do you all think do u like it is it worth it or is it just boring
calm zenith
Cult of the lamb is great but very short
stone rune
they just released a major content update right
calm zenith
Probably. Good time to start then.
stone rune
that's why it's on sale
ember ivy
Actually i read this guide already and tried all of the stuff, would be nice to see how many ms iam missing
ember ivy
I already got like 50 fish but yeah, seems impossible for me :D
calm zenith
I treat fishing as an opportunity to switch modes a bit
Like a break
Slow down and see if that works
If not, it's not a big deal
Just resources.
ember ivy
Funny how catching fish is harder than finishing the end boss xd
calm zenith
Would be nice to fill them all in
Yeah it took me forever to get the last chaos fish
Now I get it regularly
ember ivy
Im just trying to get this "Quest" finished with 25 fish catch and one very rare
I really like the fishing minigame, if the quest didnt told me that there are more rare fish i would be still wondering why i only have half of them
hollow violet
When I farm for fish, I use Poseidon. He has a good boon for that.
analog elbow
Any tips on how to catch a very rare fish? It seems like im really not fast enou...
The way I understand fishing is as follows, the bobber can bob 3 times, and after each bob there is a chance for the lure to sink, signaled by a flash. That's it, you should be ready to press catch after each bob. This almost always guarantees me a perfect catch.
stone rune
if it bobs for >2 seconds it's fake
floral ledge
Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is...
this might explain why I've only seen half the fishes. Also I just fished something in chaos realm for the first time in my life
Tomorrow I'll have the last achievement. I will also finish all heart stuff (potentially except hypnos because he's still stuck pretending to be useful)
This game has been huge, I expect Hades 2 to be a galaxy brain game
analog elbow
There's lots more content, story-wise, if you've not maxed out on hearts
compact dawn
What are the best ways to deal with Splitters?
I'm trying to get to the point where I might attempt no-hit/no damage and I'm so far away from that point
analog elbow
Deflect
compact dawn
Unfortunately deflect isn't allowed for no-hit (it's allowed for no damage) so I'm trying to learn without deflect or impervious abilities
raw herald
Don’t dash strike towards them
floral ledge
There's lots more content, story-wise, if you've not maxed out on hearts
i have mostly done everything except hypnos
mystic lark
Unfortunately deflect isn't allowed for no-hit (it's allowed for no damage) so I...
Deflect as a whole, or specifically deflect dash? Wouldnt attack/special/cast deflect not count as a hit?
floral ledge
it's just at this point the timegating is too much for me. I had a blast 100 hours, much more than most AAAs nowadays
but I'm definitely not going to turn this game into my job again. I'll just play casually and if it happens, it happens. Otherwise, uninstally and I place this game in my personal 9/10 god games ever
all I have are minor complaints, except the timegating one
compact dawn
Deflect as a whole, or specifically deflect dash? Wouldnt attack/special/cast de...
Unfortunately none are allowed apparently
latent moon
What are the best ways to deal with Splitters?
like RT95 said, dont dash strike towards them so you maintain full iframes
also some of your attacks can destroy projectiles so keep in mind what those are
compact dawn
Yeah, that's what works for me best in my experience
Another reason I hate Lucifer: its primary attack doesn't even destroy Splitter orbs
latent moon
lmao well luci isn't a very safe aspect
luci isn't known for being safe, it's known for funny laser beam and triple bomb
compact dawn
I think I've built too much spammy muscle memory into my playstyle
I need to get more control
latent moon
if you're doing for true hitless, hestia is very safe
compact dawn
Yep, Hestia is what's included in the hitless guide
rustic vale
Use lvl1 gy with hc and no dd upgrades if you want to play true hitless
latent moon
faster resets lmao
rustic vale
That too
compact dawn
What makes Drunken Dash good?
If I remember correctly DIonysus has a boon that lets you stack Hangover multiple times so maybe that's why it's good?
latent moon
it isn't
compact dawn
latent moon
dio can stack hangover up to 5 times normally anyways
and nasty dash has the lowest base damage
mystic lark
With aphro duo you can stack 8 agains weak foes. Which still does not make dash good, ofc
rustic vale
If I remember correctly DIonysus has a boon that lets you stack Hangover multipl...
My name definitely isn’t a joke
Also no Low Tolerance doesn’t make Drunken Dash any better relative to every other hangover core
analog elbow
You only ever want that dash for the status, not for the damage
stone rune
and you don't really want it for the status
because a. don't use PS and b. just take passion dash or mistral dash
mystic lark
because a. don't use PS and b. just take passion dash or mistral dash
Whats wrong with PS?
latent moon
inconsistent
and depending on the aspect/weapon, can be weird to force
or even build
latent moon
say for like, merciful end on fists
stone rune
and the damage is like 15% higher
compared to FF which both starts going right away
and is consistent
latent moon
you'd have to find blinding flash, which is another boon you'd have to find on top of the 4/5 you already want without blinding flash lmao
stone rune
and applies to first hit
latent moon
pstatus does have use cases, but like 97% of the time you'd wanna use fam favs
stone rune
the use cases in question: low tolerance and high heat beo
actually wouldn’t it work on hera
stone rune
the only mention i could find dates back to croven circa apr 18 2021
mystic lark
Speedrunning really is a whole other world, huh
stone rune
and he was asking why pstatus on beo passion flare
which apparently is regarding how high priority it is
latent moon
Speedrunning really is a whole other world, huh
i mean for the most part, good meta builds are just speedrunning builds lmao
stone rune
he said pstatus isn’t used on hera bc snurst isn’t high priority enough
latent moon
but there's also like vague micro-optimizations for speedrunning you dont have to do for casual play
stone rune
hasn’t snurst priority increased in community over time?
mystic lark
I'd never even think about switching to FF. I never had problems with triggering PS, and bonus damage is quite nice
dire tendon
fam favs still better since pstatus aint proccing on the first cast imo
latent moon
hasn’t snurst priority increased in community over time?
yeah but i think the immediate boost of fam favs is more important? ask speedcord lmao
stone rune
ohhhh does hera need it
latent moon
i'd assume so
stone rune
beo high heat doesn’t need it right
latent moon
break points and whatnot are important for dislodges
latent moon
beo high heat doesn't really need it yeah
stone rune
makes sense
mystic lark
But I mainly use bow, mainly with chiron, so... One status on attack, another on special, boom
latent moon
the dragon rush is like 100 base lmao
so it can kinda pick up the slack
loaded cshot is 160
and is wide as hell
you can get away with like any status curse on the atk and be fine with it lmao
latent moon
But I mainly use bow, mainly with chiron, so... One status on attack, another on...
yeah pstatus is good on chiron
stone rune
"good"
royal widget
- makes Chiron usable
stone rune
tbh i think for usability for like the Gamers here ff is probably better for the immediate boost
which chiron does desperately need
and also like
mystic lark
thinks about changing nickname to Chiron Defender or The Only Chiron User
stone rune
im pretty sure chiron meta has developed into splash start into whatever purple flourihs you find
even doom apparently?
latent moon
which chiron does desperately need
it really doesnt
stone rune
it really doesnt
it has no damage
stone rune
well yeah thats why it's for Gamers
latent moon
and not everyone cares about speed
rocky wadi
hey guys im back to the game, i remember there was a thing that mentioned all the boon combos; how do i get to that?
latent moon
just have the prereqs then you can be offered duo boons
prereqs can be found in the codex or wiki
rocky wadi
where in the codex can you find it?
latent moon
you have to upgrade the codex at the house contractor in order to view god boons in it
if you do have that upgrade, just go to the olympian gods tab and you should be able to view every boon from them
rocky wadi
oh alr i dont have that i think
weak charm
got through the first phase of redacted without losing any death defiance and without getting hit
lesgo
OH MY GOD
LESGO!!!!
BEAT THE GAME
analog elbow
GGs!
weak charm
love this dramatic little walking ending
i do wonder why its always snowing (in greek mythology when persephone leaves the underworld, spring begins)
thatll prolly be revealed soon
analog elbow
Nice build! Well done!
analog elbow
Why's that?
stone rune
it's not the ending
weak charm
Why's that?
zag just dropped dead and hades forgot any of it even happened ☠️
stone rune
do you really thing he just forgot dawg
and also
that's not the ending
theres an ending and then later an epilogue
mystic lark
zag just dropped dead and hades forgot any of it even happened ☠️
You do know that is not the ending, right? There is soooo much more story )
analog elbow
zag just dropped dead and hades forgot any of it even happened ☠️
I'd say to keep playing if you feel like it, because there's more to the story
stone rune
the ending is forcefed to you but you have to do a quest for the epilogue
mystic lark
(End what you just got is not an ending)
analog elbow
I'd say to keep playing if you feel like it, because there's more to the story
Also it looks like you're kind of a god gamer cause you got through it pretty early based on what I see on your mirror. This means you didn't get to spend much time seeing a lot of dialogue options.
mystic lark
Only one DD, wow. First thing I did before unlocking more talents with keys was maxing out dds
weak charm
Also it looks like you're kind of a god gamer cause you got through it pretty ea...
i missed dialogue? noooo…….
analog elbow
Well, yes and no, some dialogue is optional and can be missed, but the most important one is not missable.
mystic lark
You just have to play more to get new ones
analog elbow
But you can sorta skip ahead if you have an "early" win.
weak charm
ah
analog elbow
It'll cycle to it, but it will take a few runs to do so
weak charm
in other news: all my complaints about titan blood being annoying to get are gone with this heat system
royal widget
I'd say the first dialogue with minotaur miniboss is important
still not required
weak charm
decided to do the Lasting Consequences debuff, doesnt seem awful
royal widget
LC1 is negligible
LC4 is a completely different playstyle
weak charm
dang
analog elbow
You can go kinda crazy, but you don't have to worry about that for a while heh
If at all if it's not your thing
Good luck with the runs!
royal widget
good ones to start learning are Extrem measures, tight deadline, middle management and forced overtime
weak charm
i just realized i forgot to see achilles reaction to me beating my first run 💔
mystic lark
Yeah. To get an ending, you need what, ten clears? Then lots of run to get an epilogue.
But honestly, Hades is such a cool game that even after epilogue you still have lots of things to do
weak charm
good ones to start learning are Extrem measures, tight deadline, middle manageme...
good to know!
latent moon
there's a pact guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
weak charm
Also it looks like you're kind of a god gamer cause you got through it pretty ea...
yeah im seeing this now ☠️
zagreus is saying dialogue that i think was supposed to be said like twenty runs ago