h1-discussion

[stone rune]

dio call need pom while zeus need more zeus

[latent moon]

i mean dio call needing poms isn't that big of a deal

[rustic vale]

dio doesn’t need poms

[latent moon]

finding more zeus is prob less reliable lol

[woeful trout]

flash fire or piercing fire on super soaker

[rustic vale]

3rd option?

[woeful trout]

targeting system lol

[latent moon]

triple

[stone rune]

uh

piercing i think

[latent moon]

prob targeting lmao

[stone rune]

piercing is funny

[rustic vale]

Unironically targetting anyways

[woeful trout]

i dont even have a boon on my special

[rustic vale]

It’s free damage

[latent moon]

okay now you have a 30% boost to it

[stone rune]

well targ gives you more global damage

[latent moon]

it's just worse aty flourish

because no crit chance

[north shell]

it's always the 3rd option

[woeful trout]

ok if there was no targeting special

which one would you go

this is ignus eden's time to shine not hellfire's

[stone rune]

piercing

piercing funny with soaker

[woeful trout]

and im willing to make a bad choice even if it means i lose just for it

[latent moon]

what does flash fire even do lmao

[stone rune]

you shoot faster and ramp faster isnt it

[woeful trout]

range

[stone rune]

ohb

[rustic vale]

Shoot fasterp and range

[stone rune]

shoot faster and range morer

[rustic vale]

No ramp faster that’s conc

[latent moon]

ah

i'd just flip a coin

couldn't be bothered

[rustic vale]

Roll a 3 sided die

[stone rune]

piercing is funny im tellig you

you super soak with guaranteed more soakage

[woeful trout]

hmm

do i pom double strike or aid

how does double strike bug work exactly numbers wise

is it affected by poms?

[stone rune]

well

what is your zeus core

[woeful trout]

sea storm

does splitting bolt work with sea storm

[stone rune]

yes

oh

uh

well

it's probably affected by poms

what's your call

[woeful trout]

zeus

[stone rune]

uh

pom that i guess

[rustic vale]

By zeus core they meant the zeus boons that are slotted into your 5 slots on the left of your screen unless they’re using game terminology wrong

[woeful trout]

i have 0 death defiances rn

if patroclus doesnt show up ill be very very sad

[stone rune]

i forgot you could get double strike with sea storm

[north shell]

just don't die

• you can still get dds in styx

even before but oh well

[stone rune]

roll well if need

[woeful trout]

patroclus gives three and its free

[north shell]

i know

[woeful trout]

after party is carrying me hard rn

[north shell]

tbh good practice for not getting hit

[woeful trout]

alright

this is it

no death defiances, half HP, and a super soaker with a dream

LETS GOO

super soaker op

[brisk trail]

Turns out the no DD heal boon is kinda broken op 💀

[north shell]

@woeful trout did you do it

[brisk trail]

Its hard to die cuz you just regen fast

[woeful trout]

Yeah

[north shell]

just use sd ez

[woeful trout]

Wait isn’t stubborn roots really good if you have the -75% healing heat modifier

Since it’s 1 anyways

Unless it heals for 0

[brisk trail]

Is it a good idea to always go for centaur heart

I just ignore everything and go for it anyway

Even tho I forgot about the damage

[woeful trout]

Don’t ignore synergy boons or hammer for it

[brisk trail]

I do go for hammer when I got the chance

The 25+ hp is kinda tempting since I always on low health

[north shell]

probably person pref tbh

i never take hearts unless i'm forcrd to

it's just unnecessary imo

but i can see why some people would prioritize hearts

i used to do that in my first few runs

[stone rune]

i would always take health

i used to get minotaur's toughness every run

now i end runs with 100

[void vigil]

i like being at around 200 health

[stone rune]

but if you're new it's a good idea to take health

security is nice until you learn how to dodge well

[north shell]

i end at like

100 or a bit lower

i run high confidence like every run now

most of my health is just from darkness

[stone rune]

im just speedrunbrained rn

[north shell]

i'm just tryna get faster runs

[stone rune]

i recently looked at my 50 heat vod and i was shocked i took health over a shop

[north shell]

even modded i still suck

[stone rune]

i forgot you actually need health

[latent moon]

it's decent, you never really aim for it

if you're doing lc4 you should know what you're doing anyways

also you'd have SD as budget healing

[stone rune]

lc3 tho lmfao

[latent moon]

i mean point still stands tbh lol

[stone rune]

i remember i took lc2 cause i thought lc4 was so horrible

[latent moon]

technically yeah since at a certain point you can just face tank, but once you learn the game more you'll realize that you dont need all that hp and start to prioritize dps

[stone rune]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message exhibit a

i was tho thilly

wow

[brisk trail]

I tend to struggle alot on boss part anyway

Especially the 3rd and final

[latent moon]

that's fine

do keep in mind that part of the issue might be because you dont have enough dps

[brisk trail]

I find asterius really annoying to deal with. Since I keep getting hit on the edge

[limber ether]

also you can use acorn for like essentially +200 hp on hades

[native blade]

Yep.

[brisk trail]

His Axe attack is super wide

[latent moon]

as long as you dont get hit by adds, acorn will be the best defensive keepsake

[brisk trail]

How about the teeth

[latent moon]

dashing gives iframes, so time your dash so you won't take damage even tho you're in the swing
attacking or any other input will cut off your iframes, so make sure to empty dash and not dash strike

[latent moon]

decent, but acorn's better

[brisk trail]

Had a really bad habit on spamming dash attack lol

[latent moon]

yeah get out of that habit and the champs fight will be a lot easier

also divine dash helps a lot because every single attack they do can be deflected

[brisk trail]

Hades boss is basically discount dark souls

[stone rune]

if fromsoft wasn't trying to make their game as bad as possible

[latent moon]

time your dashes well and it'll help

also your build might be not great lol

[brisk trail]

My build is just a few boon 💀

Since idk what to pick

[latent moon]

there's a build guide in #h1-builds-and-combat if you want to give that a read

[brisk trail]

Ok

[empty swallow]

Vote for who you wanna win:
https://strawpoll.com/polls/Qrgebwlz2Zp

Aspect of Achilles 46.83% (354 votes)
Aspect of Arthur 53.17% (402 votes)

Since I was late voting ends at 10pm british time tomorrow

[latent moon]

lmao arthur moment

[north shell]

DID ARTHUR ACTUALLY WIN

[brisk trail]

When the

[woeful trout]

an arthur fan when they play a good cast build once

[north shell]

i still don't understand how people unironically like arthur

[woeful trout]

its a damn greatsword

why wouldnt you like it

i like achilles more because cast builds are the best builds but arthur is cool

[north shell]

it's so slow

i'm not here to get 3 hours per run

[empty swallow]

Anyone know how to setup a good Merciful End build?

[north shell]

ares keepsake, take attack, pray to god you get athena next, grab divine flourish from her and after that it's just praying you get me

other boons aren't really that important just make sure you don't open up any other duos until you get me

obviously look for Impending Doom and maybe Dire Misfortune, ddash is a must have

and the rest is just like

whatever seems convenient

ig

[brisk trail]

What is the most possible damage number you can take?

[solar vault]

You could theoretically stack a bunch of chaos excruciating

probably maim with em4

[brisk trail]

How about the vase with heightened security

[spring knoll]

hmm, can the curse last long enough to get to the em4 fight?

[gray apex]

Never

[gray apex]

They do 150, a bit more with Beo, idk if you can combine it with bracer to take more damage from the front but it’s probably somewhere around there

Cant think of much else

[brisk trail]

Imagine taking that much damage and being cornered by laser 💀

[gray apex]

I remember having a 50 heat run where I got hit by like 4 vases and still won

[brisk trail]

I find Vase is the most annoying part of hades

Since if he is up your face while you are stunned, you are basically dead

[gray apex]

Should just not get hit

[brisk trail]

True, taking this advice is instant win

[gray apex]

You’re welcome

[empty condor]

Zag with 300 HP and 4 DD’s + Athena boon approaching Hades yesterday

I’ve never had such a chonky zag!

[scenic glade]

Nearly as swole as his dad!

[native blade]

[fair basalt]

is mouse and keyboard better than controller?

[dire tendon]

depends on if you want to rely on aim assist or not

personally my aim is atrocious so i play controller with aim assist

[empty condor]

Facts

[rustic vale]

Really just use whichever you’re more comfortable with I think

[empty condor]

agreed, go with whatever makes you feel comfortable about using!

You’ll get the hang of it eventually

[latent moon]

There's plenty of top players who use kbm or controller

Although iirc the top Zeus heat players all use kbm

[high island]

Gamepad is too limiting compared to KBM at that kind of Heat with Zeus, yeah.

[frigid nova]

the chambers in the temple were significantly harder than any boss, wow

[latent moon]

lol styx can be rough without the proper dps

[frigid nova]

my issue was that green poison effect, its like it never went away

[latent moon]

if poison's rough for you, consider taking broken spearpoint into styx

and also look for the cure pool thingies

there's like 1 or 2 in every room

you can pause as soon as you enter the room to look for them and fight around them

[frigid nova]

thank you very much

[north shell]

or like try to get yourself some more dps

like ngl

dps kinda just solves that problem

[frigid nova]

its crazy how fast you adapt in these kinda games tho, yesterday I couldn't kill bone hydra and today I killed him without taking damage

[north shell]

since you just sorta kill everything within seconds

[north shell]

W

good job

[frigid nova]

tyvm

[frigid nova]

for sure, I went with zeus attack this run

and it is just not it

[latent moon]

well

zeus attack is good on the right weapons

what weapon was it

[frigid nova]

I one trick stygius

[latent moon]

yeah zeus attack isn't good on that

also i do recommend trying out other weapons

[toxic trellis]

You got ||fists or the rail||? It works like a charm on those

[frigid nova]

I have, I dont enjoy them

I have them all I just dont like any of the others

[latent moon]

also if you're new i recommend staying in #h1-for-new-players

[latent moon]

might be because you didn't build it right

[frigid nova]

nope I just don't really like how they play

[latent moon]

welp

sword is probably one of the harder weapons to get a first clear with but it'll work

[frigid nova]

it'll make me better in the long run

I feel like a lot of the other weapons have cheese

[latent moon]

your skill with sword doesn't exactly transfer over to other weapons that much

[stone rune]

sword weird

low number but not big fast either

[latent moon]

if anything, you'll be better at the other weapons only because you've gotten used to the enemy's timings

from just using sword

[stone rune]

use rail ebcause fun

[latent moon]

it's not really "cheese"

none of them give you a "free win" with "cheese"

[stone rune]

bow is fun

[stone rune]

rod

[latent moon]

literally every weapon can do that

[stone rune]

real ROD moment

[latent moon]

so it doesn't matter

[stone rune]

eris the castspect does it better

[latent moon]

well i guess that's the one exception

[stone rune]

gilgamesh moment

[hollow granite]

hi

just made a meme

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683094068766572868/1080921876848722000/sketch-1677782223147.png?width=481&height=669

[latent moon]

is that beowulf

if so i find it hard to believe that one could lose a DD with it to meg

[stone rune]

they built icy flare

[rustic vale]

He just bad at game

[frigid nova]

what do we think about cosmic egg

[latent moon]

not great

[rustic vale]

Not notable

[latent moon]

i'd only consider taking it if i had like at least 2 light of ixions going into a biome

even then i might not tho lol

[rustic vale]

3* it anyways for completionist sake

[latent moon]

true

[stone rune]

i think sometimes you take it for nohit?

[rustic vale]

nohit is very niche

[mint coral]

Best use is complething that one Chaos prophecy

[fossil maple]

5 clear atempts and i haven't seen a single artemis boon? Does that happen? Wanna get the capesake

[latent moon]

that happens lol

[stone rune]

ff moment

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/Qrgebwlz2Zp

[stone rune]

how is this even remotely even

[latent moon]

bruh lmfao

[native blade]

Ayo can somebody help me get this working?

I suck at mods

[latent moon]

ask in the modding server

pinned in #self-promotion

i have no idea how to work them either and i can't devote time to figure it out rn lol

[stone rune]

put in mod folder with modutil run modimporter

[native blade]

kk

[native blade]

I don't see a mod folder.

[stone rune]

make a folder called Mods

[native blade]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

Told u I suck at mods

modutil and modimporter are what exactly?

[stone rune]

here

hold on

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources

go to the bottom

download speedrunning modpack

delete the mods from the mods folder

other than the one called ModUtil

and then put in whatever you downloaded

[native blade]

I'm sorry I'm so inept, I just genuinely don't understand a lot of the jargon.

[stone rune]

and then paste the folder into root hades thing

[native blade]

Thanks!

[native blade]

SHould I delete changelog too?

[stone rune]

sure

[native blade]

kk

[proud nexus]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3nWcKL9oj1h6R6Ggu25zOR?si=lGlsvrTDS7SCXsTE-ZiZBA

Banger

[native blade]

Indeed.

U listened to Lament of Orpheus yet?

[stone rune]

final expense payback mix is the best track

[empty condor]

I got my zag pin today :D

[native blade]

Send it over.

[stone rune]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7JSSx8yKHfeHfmkUBebOOW?si=b960852a89324256

i <3 bass

[native blade]

Understandable tbh.

[empty condor]

Hades soundtrack is so good in general

if I was breaking out from the underworld, and those soundtracks are playing

Sign me up XD

[native blade]

This is the Charon fight track rii?

[stone rune]

yeah

[proud nexus]

Oh it is

I forgot about that

[silver mica]

Y e s

I love it

[hardy crown]

Objection! Eurydice's Ambrosia Delight caused two items to rank up but one with no effect. Rare Strong Drink became Epic, yet it's stats remained unchanged. It heals all and gives 4% extra damage. There was no change after the upgrade.

The other - a Bronze Skin upgrade raised damage resistance by at least 3%. This confirms that at least one worked.

Objection withdrawn. At some point between then and the first fountain after Lernie, the raised stat became 9%.

[stone rune]

Hovering over the boon gives you your current %

and upgrading strong drink rarity changes the buff

removes

[hardy crown]

Just won what's probably my 7th bout with Charon. Only one life lost this time. Well enough. It was rough beating hades after losing all 3 once.

[hardy crown]

Probably gonna land a Heroic boon. At the Satyr tunnels. Athena and Zeus present. I can try to alter coin, pom, and centaur heart to a boon. Any recommendations for a Heroic of preference?

[stone rune]

wdym heroic

you cant get heroic from a normal boon unless it's replacement

[hardy crown]

(Heroic likely due to exclusive access and yarn of ariadne.)

[stone rune]

you can't get heroic from that

the only sources of heroic are eurydice, demeter, and replacements

[hardy crown]

Oh darn. I was hoping the thing would synergize.

[stone rune]

yeah

the way yarn or nectar works is that it increases your chances of getting a duo boon and better rarity or whatever

[latent moon]

At that point the yarn just gives increased duo/legendary chances lol

[stone rune]

cgull or nyaanyaa probably wrote something about it somewhere

[hardy crown]

Alas. The purchased Yarn of Ariadne disappeared and did nothing. Athenas choice of boons were all epic.

[stone rune]

exclusive access:

this is why we use persuasion

[hardy crown]

I've been needing to ask a question for some time. Charon's well purchases like Cyclops jerky count for 6 encounters. Certain boons specifically boost against Boss Battles. I've begun to wonder if encounter bonuses count against bosses, or are they used up/skipped over?

I mean, boss battles may not be considered encounters, but I was hoping they were.

[latent moon]

They are

Jerkies and other combat items you buy in wells that last until boss fights will be active during that time

Braid, stone, nail, etc

[stone rune]

most items only count down actual encounters

where you hit the enemy and they take damage

except hydralite

and maybe some others

[woeful trout]

Wait what?

Heroic can’t occur naturally?

[stone rune]

replacements

[woeful trout]

(Besides replacement)

[stone rune]

no

they cannot

[woeful trout]

Damn I thought it was just a really rare chance

[stone rune]

lmfao then we'd be resetting a lot more

can't wait for that 1/10000 chance for heroic RD!

[woeful trout]

What’s RD

[stone rune]

rush delivery

[hardy crown]

If I could add a single ability I would get the ability to know where the satyr sack will be. More than once I could have planned the tunnels for when I wanted the fountain.

[stone rune]

modded moment

btw sack has a 52% chance of occurring in your 2nd chamber

[hardy crown]

Instead I arrived at the fountain with full health. Rip.

[stone rune]

so just go for that 2sackmentality

[woeful trout]

Wonder what’s a silly build I can use

[hardy crown]

Well if it's random chance, then ... It's tricky.

[stone rune]

neMEsis

[woeful trout]

How does that work

[stone rune]

use nemesis

[hardy crown]

I had a silly fun and effective build once. I got disappointed it turned out to be a loss against Hades though.

[stone rune]

get ME

[hardy crown]

I thought that perhaps because I lost, I couldn't document either the win screen or the things used in records.

[stone rune]

administrative chamber

[woeful trout]

What’s the best core

Ares attack and Athena special?

And why’s it better on nemesis

[latent moon]

You just get free bonus damage from the crit

It's not a global crit I don't think

But like damage is damage so why not

It'll also help your dps before you get ME

[mint coral]

global crit would be funny

[latent moon]

Nem would be THE me aspect tbh

[woeful trout]

I thought gilga was the ME aspect

[mint coral]

hunter's mark would still be the funniest global crit

Than crits for 17k+ dmg

[latent moon]

Gilga has the slowest Speedrun time lol

Idk if that's because it sucks before ME or it still sucks with ME

[woeful trout]

There’s no damage caps in this game right

[latent moon]

Someone more knowledge is gonna have to clarify for gilga

[latent moon]

Just the phases on the bosses

[woeful trout]

Could you theoretically one shot Hades (I think he has 20k HP)

[latent moon]

That's the "cap"

Yeah

[woeful trout]

Oh

So you can’t deal more than half of hades HP

[mint coral]

the only phase you can skip is lernie with rama

[latent moon]

With em4 you can

[mint coral]

but you need like a million additive

[woeful trout]

Phase 3

Than crit with heart rend or smth

[latent moon]

He's at like 80% hp or something and has no invulnerability bubble

[stone rune]

shared suffering moment

you cant onehit

[latent moon]

Rama doesn't have that kind of dps in 1 shot I don't think

[stone rune]

no it just wouldnt work

because the damage has to come from the shared suffering

[latent moon]

If you want a big burst it has to be trippy flare beo

Mirage

Rd

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/zx4S1W8NWkk if anyone hasnt seen this

[stone rune]

if the normal damage is more than the boss's current phase health

it won't work

because the shared suffering has to be what brings it over]

[woeful trout]

ive heard hazard bomb is good but it doesnt seem like it fits any of the aspects very well?

lucifer cant get it, eris wants you to get hit by bombs, and hestia is based on attack

[stone rune]

a lot of hestia's damage comes from special

[woeful trout]

any good aspect of hades builds?

[stone rune]

yeah

play a different aspect

[woeful trout]

i just spent all my blood maxaing it out

[stone rune]

why

waste of blood

[woeful trout]

is it bad

[latent moon]

unironically, the best hammers for hestia are special hammers lol
ricochet and piercing have some niche but they're overall cope hammers frankly

[woeful trout]

is hades spear just nad

[latent moon]

no flurry jab kinda sucks

[woeful trout]

150% is a very appealing number

[latent moon]

if you want to do a purely spin based build, then it's decent if you get quick spin but the damage bonus from punishing sweep doesn't apply to spin attacks

achilles is also 150%

and it buffs yourself instead of debuffing enemies, which is a lot better and faster

and more intuitive

[woeful trout]

tight deadline 1 is just free heat lol

[stone rune]

td3 free heat

[stone rune]

it doesn't apply to spins???????????

[latent moon]

no

i remember someone else complaining about it and i was like "lmao that's unfortunate"

[stone rune]

literally awful wtf

[woeful trout]

does chaos favor boost legendary

or duos

[latent moon]

i think marginally? i'm not entirely sure about it

[woeful trout]

ME in tartarus

wow yall lied gilgadash ME is amazing

also is the aphro ares duo boon worth it

[latent moon]

No

[stone rune]

now imagine if you had this on dem

[latent moon]

I mean the others work better I never really said it was bad

[woeful trout]

is it not good?

how does it interact with ME

[latent moon]

The dash strikes are longer

[woeful trout]

like if i trigger ME what will happen

will it just not work

[latent moon]

I mean the ME procs are fine

The dash strikes take longer to execute

Compared to other fists

Oh wait you meant curse of longing

Curse of longing is literally useless with ME

CoL won't do anything because it's a prolonged doom effect

ME drops it instantly

So there's no point

It's also not good in general tho lol

[woeful trout]

rush delivery is global right

so it effects doom damage

[latent moon]

Yes

I think maim is also a global damage boost? Idrk

If you're capable of not taking damage then you could use it if you want

[woeful trout]

shame i dont have hyper sprint

at least i have epic greater haste

[frigid nova]

should I buy the anvil in the temple??

[stone rune]

not really

[frigid nova]

yeah im not doing it I just saw it was random

my twin shot has been carrying me

[woeful trout]

dio call with curse of nausea shreds

lol

[frigid nova]

nooo I almost got my first run cleared he was like 1hp

[woeful trout]

oh damn first time seeing athena klegendary

not even a single DD spent on hades

easy

[brisk trail]

Does trying to leave in middle of fight delete the whole save?

[woeful trout]

its how you save scum

[stoic spoke]

yea but its pretty easy to bring it back

[woeful trout]

wait what

huh

when i leave in middle of fights it just resets the fight

[stone rune]

wdym

[stoic spoke]

idk for me i crashed once during hades and it deleted that run

i managed to bring it back not too hard tho

[woeful trout]

wait im dumb i thought this was the slay the spire discord

[stone rune]

you might temproarily lose your run progress

[brisk trail]

Pretty sure leaving in the boss fight is not how you save

[woeful trout]

Time to try funny rush delivery zag sword + plume build

if i go for that im guessing artemis would be the best right? since crits are seperate modifiers from percent boosts

[woeful trout]

is it possible to get 3 hermes boons

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1081037089635840070/image.png

do you guys like my pool

[stone rune]

if you buy the styx one

[woeful trout]

i kinda wish chaos had a boon that increased speed

[stone rune]

WHY is positive outlook pommable

[latent moon]

You can but literally anything works as long as it isn't like tempest strike lol

As long as you get hyper sprint and rush delivery it'll be fine

[latent moon]

That build is commonly called flat damage soup or FDS

Lightning or Aphrodite strike into smair is probably ideal

[stone rune]

is lightning actually good on sword

seems like a waste

sword does 30 right

base that's like a common pos boon

[latent moon]

Fds tho

It's decent

[stone rune]

why would you want flat damage soup when you can have flat damage stew

meatier

[latent moon]

Also jolted

[stone rune]

also why not doom atk

[latent moon]

Sure

[stone rune]

..............why not athena special

[lapis harbor]

Is the bow special actually… any good?

(For Zag/Hera)

[woeful trout]

no lol (i think)

[lapis harbor]

Good, I’ve heard some people love it, but like… seems like a waste of a button

Great on the other two aspects lol

[stone rune]

yep

[rustic vale]

Not really, it has niche use with charged volley but otherwise not really a button you hit often (if ever)

[stone rune]

it's about as useful as the chaos special

[rustic vale]

True

[dire tendon]

is chaos special ever used

(in optimal play)

[latent moon]

No

[dire tendon]

then hera special is better

because you slap pos on it

and boom

one use

exactly one

but one use

thats more than 0

[latent moon]

Lmao I mean same with chaos special, use it to open duos

[dire tendon]

no i mean

you use the special itself

[latent moon]

Oh why would you do that

[dire tendon]

to move hades in invincibility bubble

so you can wallbug with crush shot

[latent moon]

Oh wall bugging right

[dire tendon]

its so goofy

[latent moon]

I tried that but he didn't move so I stopped trying lol

[dire tendon]

have you tried putting poseidon on your special

[latent moon]

Yeah

[dire tendon]

might help

[latent moon]

It didn't work for me lmao

I'm also just bad at hera anyways so idrc

[lapis harbor]

As in aspect of chaos? How the mighty have fallen

So the aspect is just… blank? Lol

[rustic vale]

Yeah…

[lapis harbor]

I can see why they nerfed it but they overshot

[rustic vale]

it went from best shield to aspectless shield

afaik

[stone rune]

wasnt beo similar

[rustic vale]

similiar uh

Chaos special was good because of the aoe spread of the shields iirc

Beo special was good because charged flight used to be +400% base damage

Both related to the special

[latent moon]

Considering what the meta was back then, yeah something like that

[stone rune]

beo was a similar weapon

[latent moon]

I'd figure beo would probably be stronger given the meta today

[stone rune]

poeple just underrated it right

[latent moon]

But beo meta back then was just charged flight lol

I think no one really cared about the casts that much

[stone rune]

no way

that's insane

[latent moon]

They prob did for Hera I would guess but not beo

[stone rune]

is someone sending and deleting messages

[native blade]

I GOT STUBBORN ROOTS!!!!!!!!!

[brisk trail]

Is fighting charon hard?

Every single one of his attack do like 50 damage 💀

[muted glen]

You running high heat?

[muted glen]

If youve never fought him before yeah

I find him harder than hades

[brisk trail]

He is probaly suppose to be stronger than hades anyway

[brisk trail]

Atleast Hades has more obvious warning and less unexpected attacks

While charon can suddenly spawn waves at you

[native blade]

Eh, 22

[muted glen]

I mean get it anyway its free money

If you can sell it

[latent moon]

it's only hard because you dont fight him that often

also considering that fighting him in tartarus is harder than in elysium because you build barely exists

[stone rune]

if you fight him in tart it can be better for your morale though

because you haven't had the inevitable disappointment of no rd no clockets

and as we all know hestia is the only aspect

[brisk trail]

Hes kinda rare to fight so you dont get to learn that much

[native blade]

I love it.

[brisk trail]

Is the doom boon good?

[native blade]

Yes.

[stone rune]

it is great if you get ME

merciful end duo with athena

and then get divine dash

does nyaanyaa have an ME guide

[brisk trail]

I generally use it to break armor really quickly then let the doom finish them off afterward

Kinda saves time trying to kill the champion

[stone rune]

#h1-builds-and-combat message use the guide starting with curse of agony

doom isn't that great on its own because most aspects that could take doom would be better off with hangover or lightning

essentially

there are 5 gods who give percent based boons

and 3 gods who give on-hit effect boons

dionysus, ares, and zeus each give on-hit effects

which are better for weapons like fists or rail that put out low damage but a lot of it

for instance

it takes the best base percent attack in the game (+100% from epic aphrodite attack) to match the damage per hit of a common zeus attack on rail

[latent moon]

it's kinda mediocre unless you're building for merciful end

[stone rune]

because rail does 10 damage base

and +100% would be 20

while common lightning strike does 10

[brisk trail]

I find it fun to use explosive arrow with it when trying to kill the champion second time

[stone rune]

explosive arrow you want %

[latent moon]

explosive shot on bow definitely wants a % on it
base arrow does 70, explosive is what +300%?

[stone rune]

although

[latent moon]

is that 280

[stone rune]

explosive is additive right

doesn't arrow do 50

[brisk trail]

+300% damage sounds alot ngl

[stone rune]

on dash strike

[latent moon]

uh

[stone rune]

yeah it does 50 lmfao

70 is on non dstrike

[latent moon]

okay so that'd be 250 then?

[brisk trail]

Is it better to focus on normal shot or dash shot with arrow?

[stone rune]

what

it'd be 200

[latent moon]

idk how this works man

either way

a good doom damage would be like 175 or so

[stone rune]

so essentially a worse hestia that takes % poorly

[brisk trail]

Meanwhile I barely know math to know what am I building for

[latent moon]

okay basically

fast hitting stuff wants flat damage

fast hit, low base damage

[stone rune]

thats the word for it

[latent moon]

rail, fists

[stone rune]

flat

maybe sword

maybe spear

but mainly rail and fists

[latent moon]

stuff that hits slow but hard wants a % modifier

[stone rune]

bow, shield

sword maybe

spear maybe

[brisk trail]

Are doom better for slower weapon tho? Or it still synergy well with fast weapon

[latent moon]

shield, rail special, kinda sword

hestia

[stone rune]

doom is poor on slow weapons

they take better to percent boons from aphrodite, artemis, demeter, athena, or

poseidon

but dont take poseidon

poseidon attack sucks

[brisk trail]

Why

[stone rune]

low % and the effect synergises poorly

his dash is great though

ok whatever im not gonna spam all this useless info rn

whats ur question

doom right

[brisk trail]

Poseidon knockback keeps throwing enemy away from my range and get me killed while chasing them down 💀

[stone rune]

doom is overshadowed by lightning strike or whatever dio atk is called

unless you build ME

[brisk trail]

Hangover right

[stone rune]

which you don't need to know about rn lol

[north shell]

exactly why you don't take anything that isn't his dash

[stone rune]

flood shot:

[north shell]

ew

[stone rune]

great for styx

[north shell]

slicing shot

uwu

[brisk trail]

His call is kinda decent atleast

[stone rune]

slicing shot is garbage without hunting blades jesus

[north shell]

yes

[stone rune]

only a true sick freak would take unbuffed hb

[brisk trail]

Poseidon call is just dash with steroids

[stone rune]

athena call is just better poseidon call

[brisk trail]

Athena call is really strong ngl

[woeful trout]

Calls

[brisk trail]

You can go full on dps on boss and not die

[woeful trout]

What’s your favorite call

[stone rune]

zeus

[north shell]

zeus

[woeful trout]

Zeus

[stone rune]

anybody who answers not zoos is wilding

[woeful trout]

Glad we’re on the same page

[stone rune]

dio is fake

[latent moon]

not particularly
take arthur for example. it's third swing does 200 damage. good doom damage is about 175ish, which is like epic curse of agony at level 6 or something. a level 1 epic aphrodite strike will give you 100% base damage

[stone rune]

not a real god

[brisk trail]

Honestly I kinda struggle trying to use zeus call properly

[stone rune]

also, doom will only add once every 1.1 seconds

so if you hit faster than that the second hit's boost is wasted

[woeful trout]

I think Zeus can boost his own call a lot more than dio can

[stone rune]

zeus needs more zeus

dio needs poms

[north shell]

no problem just take aphro and get smair now you don't need to worry about using it improperly

[stone rune]

but zoos opens smair and also big damage

[woeful trout]

Zeus has double strike, voltage, jolted, splitting bolt

[brisk trail]

Full aphro call damage 💀

[woeful trout]

I don’t even know what dio has besides sensation

[stone rune]

full calls not practical

[north shell]

^

[stone rune]

dio has pommability

dio poms never fall off

[brisk trail]

That thing took hades half of health bar instantly

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1081099156539588648/output.png

[north shell]

hades call is like

acceptable

[woeful trout]

It takes 1/7 at most

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1081099249552457788/output.png

[woeful trout]

I think

[latent moon]

full call for aphrodite is good for boss fights purely because it has big damage
it had no damage for other rooms because you're not likely to get a full call off

also yeah def not half

[woeful trout]

Also 2500 on one enemy is a waste most of the time anyways

[latent moon]

small calls for aphrodite isn't worth any damage

[stone rune]

smair aph is funny if you've got 10 poms in it

[latent moon]

that's why zeus and dio are regarded as better

[brisk trail]

Literally overkill lol

[stone rune]

because you literally stunlock bosses

[woeful trout]

Don’t really like Aphrodite call tbh

Just not very fun

[latent moon]

100% damage boost goes brrrr

[brisk trail]

Using full aphro call on a single vermin be funny

[stone rune]

dad call eris:

[north shell]

yee

[latent moon]

"acceptable" lmao it's good for burst damage aspects

[north shell]

i meant

[stone rune]

sadly dad call is less effective on hestia

[latent moon]

hera, beowulf, ME

[north shell]

acceptable

as like

the full call

[latent moon]

oh that

yeah that's fair

[stone rune]

bc a good hestia build literally already has like 450% attack scaling

[latent moon]

use dad call and just dont get hit to keep up hc

[stone rune]

hestia takes too much brainpower to juice in dad fight i always end up losing a dd

[latent moon]

i would simply not lose a dd

[stone rune]

imo you're right

[latent moon]

(i only have like an 8:30 hestia)

[stone rune]

get those numbers down

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1046925463630659687/image.png?width=1191&height=670

[stone rune]

best aspect in the GAME 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[latent moon]

lol epic rd

[stone rune]

PURPLE RD?

830??????

[latent moon]

well im not good with hestia

[stone rune]

and heart rend

do you have no rotation

[latent moon]

nope

well

kinda

but it's not great

[stone rune]

ricochet

also why no dad call

[latent moon]

it was decent for heroes but yeah

[stone rune]

ur not keeping up hc with inexperienced hestia

[latent moon]

it's above 80% hp right

[stone rune]

unless literally 0 rotation

yeah

which is like

70 something

maybe ur dodge god

all of my brain goes into shooting dad perfectly

[latent moon]

i mean i literally only got hit once

well

technically once because of acorn

so i kept up hc through the majority of the fight

[stone rune]

nice

[nimble narwhal]

whats meta for speedrun

[latent moon]

beowulf if you can guarantee charged shot, otherwise hera

hera is less hammer dependent and doesn't need flurry shot to shine

beo is still fine without charged shot, but it's considerably slower

eris is a good choice, it's not that dependent on hammers unless you wanna hit a certain time

same with hestia but i'd argue it's a bit more dependent on rocket

achilles is good if you can guarantee flurry jab, but it's mechanically challenging to get right and it has a somewhat complicated build path

[high island]

Good place to start: https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI

[stray shard]

So I was drawing Orpheus on my school bench and my friend comes to me and says " oh that's cool... What anime is he from? " I wanna die

[woeful trout]

Is after party actually good or is it a noob trap

Can’t tell if after party is really good or just mid

[latent moon]

it's alright

it's not bad and it isn't pommable iirc

until you turn on lc4 then it'll be fine

a good safety net

also lets you take like -hp per atk chaos boons lol

[woeful trout]

Any non pommable boon you should basically always take right

[spring knoll]

it feels kinda redundant when you have stubborn defiance, since you can just let a trap/lava/enemy reset your life every room anyway if you're low

[latent moon]

yeah if they're a god you dont want or care about

[latent moon]

well if you use SD during combat and get hit after that, it'll heal you up to 30% on common after party

but if you're using SD then chances are it's high heat and you also have lc4 on so it's pointless lol

if youre using SD without lc4 then that's just questionable lol

[woeful trout]

High heat really messes up a lot of options huh

[spring knoll]

oh yeah

[latent moon]

i'm pretty sure you can sell after party tho

so that's fine

take it as fodder and it's unpommable

nourished soul tho

literally useless and can't be sold

[woeful trout]

Why can’t nourished be sold

But after party can

[latent moon]

tbh i'm not sure if you can sell after party

but im pretty sure you can

because otherwise i would've heard about it by now

https://imgur.com/pFBSztd

[woeful trout]

Can you not sell certain boons

[latent moon]

yeah

[spring knoll]

probably because they don't want you cheesing by grabbing nourished soul and selling it repeatedly to keep getting the one-time heal from it

[latent moon]

premium vintage can't be sold

[woeful trout]

So basically anything that gives you a boost on pickup can’t be sold

[spring knoll]

I think they do the same to prevent premium vintage from dropping extra nectars too

yeah

[woeful trout]

To stop you from exploiting

[spring knoll]

intentional

[latent moon]

yeah possibly but also sunken treasure gives hp

and you can get that multiple times

without having to sell it

[woeful trout]

Is it wrong to pick sunken treasure every time I get Poseidon while not needing him

[spring knoll]

this game has tons of tiny little design decisions like that. Even if I don't agree with them all it's awesome that they care enough to even consider some of these edge cases

[latent moon]

no

sunken treasure is like the 3rd best option to take from poseidon if you dont want anything from him

[woeful trout]

Why can’t you run flurry cast with Stygian soul

Is it too broken or something

[latent moon]

well would you want flurry cast if you only had 1 cast lol

you wont get more casts in every run with stygian

[woeful trout]

If you’re running Stygian soul you’ll probably be gunning for it or just not care about casts anyways

[latent moon]

just because you're gunning for it doesn't mean you'll get it lol

[woeful trout]

True

Still kinda disappointing I can’t just machine gun my 8 Stygian souls

[latent moon]

how'd you manage to get 7 more casts

[solar vault]

simply get fully loaded 2 chaos 3 braids easy

[woeful trout]

Unironically what happened

Let me try to get the SS

[latent moon]

stones not braids but yeah

i wish i could get that in a beo run

[woeful trout]

Can’t find it

Oh well

Honestly 8 is overkill if you have a gof auto reload I think you only need like 4-5

[latent moon]

with auto reload you need like 2 or 3 lol

[brisk trail]

Me just wanting a healing in a nutshell

[latent moon]

2 or 3 total

[stone rune]

bounty and what else

tdash doesn’t count right

[latent moon]

hydraulic might

yeah i didn't include any cores

like this is assuming literally nothing from poseidon and you're forced into him

[stone rune]

oh yeah

might cracked

[umbral parrot]

Beowulf

[sour fog]

sunken treasure enables huge catch, that's never a mistake

[brisk trail]

Is Theseus and Asterius hard to fight?

[north shell]

not really

first time sure

but it's pretty easy afterwards

[brisk trail]

Their warning is kinda brief which makes it difficult since you need to focus on both of them

[north shell]

at least imo

[brisk trail]

Im basically dead when I lack dps agaisnt them

[north shell]

there's plenty of ways to basically oneshot them

[brisk trail]

I never knew there is a way to speedrun a boss fight lol

Since all boss fight I had is just long fight

[north shell]

well it's certain builds

[native blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/987496174636380160/1081207140850610286/image.png

P.O.V. You pissed off Grandmother.

I'm so screwed...

[north shell]

trial room

[lapis lantern]

Do the +X attack damage mods also apply to dash-strikes?

[rustic vale]

Yes

Well

Boons do

Hammers are subjective

[lapis lantern]

And how do you usually take keepsakes? Only on 10some heat rn on most weapons. Right now I mainly take olympians on first two stages and then switch to acorn. But this got real repetitive (though it works pretty good). Any recommendations to switch things up?
Or things that are more effective?

[lapis lantern]

Thanks!

[rustic vale]

Olympian tartarus👍
Different olympian asphodel
Defensive keepsake or hourglass or dad keepsake elysium
Acorn or dad keepsake styx

Acorn can be replaced by the other defensive keepsakes but acorn is the best defensive keepsake

[lapis lantern]

So you also do it like that... Hm. Guess I ll experiment with the stacking keepsakes to switch things up a little?! Any of them good?

[rustic vale]

Not really

butterfly isn’t enough damage for the opportunity cost of not controlling your build early, and also even worse damage if you take it later

[lapis lantern]

How's pom blossom?

[rustic vale]

Plume has a niche with dodge chance stacking builds but those are niche

Pom blossom is too unfocused

They’re all opportunity cost for the most part

at least pom blossoms bonuses stay after you take it off though

[high island]

If you wanna do a run with Pom Blossom start, usually best for Cast builds. Like... you start Pom Blossom to get early poms on your Cast and just build around the first Cast you find, pretty much.

[rustic vale]

or hangover builds ig

[high island]

That only works if you happen to run into a Hangover boon on a weapon that works well with it, really.

Since you have no control over the start of the build.

But it guarantees 3 poms on Tartarus at least.

Of which hopefully at least 2 go on your Cast.

Since Cast builds want lots of poms on your Cast boon, there's some synergy there. But the downside of course is that you don't get control over which Cast boon you find early.

[rustic vale]

👍

[high island]

And then in Asphodel, you'd switch to a god keepsake to have a more focused Cast build around what you picked up, just with those free early poms on it.

[lapis lantern]

Thanks so much. Worked like a charm!

[brisk trail]

God casually tries to kill you because you took the other god blessing moment

[woeful trout]

True

Huge catch best legendary

[barren cedar]

pov: my puppy on my lap during a heat 20 run kills me when i have hades on 3rd phase at a quarter of his health

[silver mica]

Cerberus' Second Call

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-gif-24067499

[brisk trail]

Like how cerberus is usually seen as violent meanwhile Cerberus in this game is just goofy

[silver mica]

He's such a lil guy

So lovable

[brisk trail]

I remember going to the end for the first time and thought Cerberus is going to be the "boss"

Atleast he is actually not

[silver mica]

He just wanna snacc

[hardy spear]

lil?

[empty condor]

Cerberus is a old doggo

So adorable :D

[silver mica]

Yes :)

He's a lil cutie

[empty condor]

Yes

Cerberus pet emote when

[silver mica]

I just saw your banner

Awesome

Why is it so difficult to purposefully get a normal catch 😭

[empty condor]

Thank you! I love this gif so much Petting Cerberus is priority

[silver mica]

Yess

The boi needs pets

[tacit locust]

this ?

oooh you mean petting cerberus in game

[cobalt ibex]

Does anybody ever wonder how come the dogs skulls on Zagreus' shoulders have skeleton ears? That's total nonsense but that's so funny!

[high island]

The answer is rule of cool.

[empty condor]

It looks cool

Also I honestly think it would make sense since its supposed to look like cerberus

or something

[novel moth]

to get the achivement with Dedalus' hammer, I have to use all of the weapons?

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/1MnwOkGwLn7

Aspect of Eris
50.33% (154 votes)

Aspect of Demeter
49.67% (152 votes)

Actual 2 vote difference

But we in the semis now

Chiron vs Arthur and Eris vs Zeus

[mint coral]

comfy weapons showdown lmao

[empty swallow]

My fav aspect made it to the semis so I'm happy

[latent moon]

chiron and arthur making it this far is something else lmao

[empty swallow]

Vote reset because of a bug please revote if you didn't notice

[white path]

Yoooo I won the game! Feels like for real this time

Credits and everything

[stone rune]

nice!!!

10th clear is great

[white path]

Successful escapes on attempts:
26 38 43 45 46 48 50 52 53 54
No, I don't know why the 2nd escape took so long lol.
How'd I do?

[slim geyser]

dw my 1st and second had a huge gap too

[white path]

I beat Hades on my 2nd fight, then lost 5 times

The one time I come back without dying, hypnos thinks I did.
Guess he just sucks at his job lol

[native blade]

Average Hypnos L

[white path]

Also the first time I escape holding the chaos egg for the prophecy is the only time I don't fight dad.
And now I see that it's literally the only prophecy (so far) to actually specify liking him, not just reaching the surface or escaping

Typical

I wonder if the Master of Arms prophecy would have progressed if I had a weapon I still need from it

[rustic vale]

Tbh # of attempts to first clear isn’t a great statistic to put against others

But you do have 24 attempts up against current wr speedrunner

Unless my memory fails which uh… happens too often

[native blade]

@fossil maple Ye, same:

[high island]

Indeed.

One metric that one can never go back to and improve lol.

[rustic vale]

…yet

[brisk trail]

Het guys need help with sum

For sum reason i cant upradr my aspects

I have all weapons unlocked

And got the list of profesies

Why cant i uprade my wepons

[stone rune]

wdym upgrade

[brisk trail]

Like i cant get aspects on my weapons

I dont get option

Even tho i got all weapons unlocked and beat game

[gray apex]

You cant interact with the weapons?

[brisk trail]

No i cant

[gray apex]

Have you done a run after buying all 6 base weapons?

[brisk trail]

Not yet

Imma do that right now

If that doesnt work? What else i have to do?

[latent moon]

it will work

[stone rune]

you have to have the weapon equipped

and then interact with its stand

[brisk trail]

Do i have to do a run with watch weapon?

[latent moon]

you have to do a run after unlocking all 6 weapons

[stone rune]

do you have the rail

[brisk trail]

Yea

[latent moon]

if you just unlocked rail, you can't get aspects yet

until you do a run

[stone rune]

you have to do 1 more run

if you just unlocked rial

[brisk trail]

Ight imma do a run then if it dont work ill let yall know

Btw whats best weopin to do runs? Or beat game

[latent moon]

whatever you like

[brisk trail]

I only use trident and sword

[stone rune]

anything works

[brisk trail]

Ngl🤷🏽‍♂️

[stone rune]

but those ones are harder

[brisk trail]

Mhm ok

I beat game multiple times with triden

[stone rune]

easiest is probably shield

[brisk trail]

Love dat weopon

Weopon

[stone rune]

actually

zagreus spear is a bident

[brisk trail]

Weapon*

[brisk trail]

Mhm?

[gray apex]

For a newer player they’re not really any harder

[brisk trail]

Currently using the spear

One woth insane range

Next to sword

Idk its name

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1081372373065945148/image.png

two prong

[brisk trail]

Ya dis one

[stone rune]

that's a bident

a trident has three prongs

[brisk trail]

Ohhh fsfs

Yea ysing the bident

Whats best aspect for thus weopon?

[stone rune]

spear?