sub7 and 51 heat
#h1-discussion
latent moon
scenic glade
K
stone rune
that's a knowledgeable banana right there
scenic glade
Ima shut up now
latent moon
they said sea storm zeus is good lmao
stone rune
wdym? sea storm is litreally the best duo ever
i saw haelian get it on lucifer so it's like super great
latent moon
just get zeus attack
silver mica
I don't play gun often
rustic vale
triple bomb
stone rune
play eris
latent moon
there's like only 1 good build with it lmao
sea storm is a meme
and it's just worse lightning strike luci
silver mica
Just zeus with more steps
latent moon
imagine if you had to take poseidon attack just to get lightning strike later
and not even guaranteed
latent moon
triple bomb
stone rune
triple bomb, triple bomb
latent moon
other hammers are mid on luci
stone rune
eternal chamber makes funny meme builds
woeful trout
they said sea storm zeus is good lmao
Wait isn’t sea storm good?
Maybe I’m missing context but I thought it was fine
latent moon
well
it's not terrible per se
it's just like
there's better options
also considering how you want to play zeus, it's not great
the knockback on the flourish is just gonna get in the way and you won't deal good damage
except on bosses
stone rune
dont you take pos atk
latent moon
but your room clearing will suck
well the sea storm zeus build on reddit had pos special did it not
stone rune
oh
pos speciaL zeus tho
you get to proc sea storm like twice
and then enemy is out of range
latent moon
it's also just like worse zeus flourish lmao
sea storm lightning is 40, epic zeus flourish is 45
and you can pom it
stone rune
lmfao
latent moon
granted the % bonus on tempest flourish is good
but it is a base 30 so it's not world breaking
also you're not gonna hit much because of the knockback lol
latent moon
Surprising tbh
empty swallow
That means Zeus and Chiron are both in the semis and Arthur and Achilles are currently competing for it
And next is Eris vs Demeter for semis as well
I need my boy arthur to win
north shell
bro idk how people can play arthur
latent moon
Arthur isn't nearly as good as Achilles lmao
empty swallow
Its so fun
stone rune
how is achilles at heat
empty swallow
I just love that it does base 300 damage backstab and for some reason if basically always backstabs
latent moon
bracket is supposed to be objective lmao
stone rune
backstab
base
latent moon
how is achilles at heat
Beat 60 recently
mint coral
bro idk how people can play arthur
big slash me happy
also dashing between attacks helps a ton
empty swallow
>backstab
>base
Ye but as I said for some reason it always be backstabbin even if I'm starin them in de eye
empty swallow
~~bracket is supposed to be objective lmao~~
Its voted by the community just cause I'm runnin the vote don't mean I don't get a say
It does an unholy amount of damage and my biggest problem is never getin enough health so Arthur helps with that as well
empty swallow
Achilles was my first sub 15 actually so
latent moon
Its voted by the community just cause I'm runnin the vote don't mean I don't get...
I mean yeah but just because you like something doesn't mean it's good
Compared to something else
latent moon
I think it goes down to like $20 or something
And it's generally with all the other steam sales
cold island
from 21 to 20?
latent moon
So like summer, thanksgiving, new years etx
cold island
what about spring
latent moon
from 21 to 20?
Oh is it 21
cold island
yes
latent moon
Maybe 18 then or something
cold island
oh i just found a website it tells tyou
north shell
i got it for 5€
cold island
i got it for 5€
oh how?
north shell
but that was on christmas sale so
north shell
wt
cold island
cuz it goes on 50% off innit
stone rune
it's 25 isn't it
latent moon
Yeah it was 50% off because of hades 2 announcement
north shell
nvm yea i got it for 10€
cold island
cuz we out here jewish 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
idk 21 here
cold island
nvm yea i got it for 10€
ah
stone rune
p sure it was 1250 half off
cold island
Yeah it was 50% off because of hades 2 announcement
when is hades 2 coming out, might aswerll jsut wait for that
or is it next yhear
stone rune
when is hades 2 coming out, might aswerll jsut wait for that
july 19 2023
north shell
wait really
stone rune
yeah
latent moon
Well hades 1 and 2 are very different but early access should be sometime soon
latent moon
july 19 2023
From what
latent moon
Nice
cold island
july 19 2023
4 months i see
north shell
💀
latent moon
4 months i see
That wasn't even the actual date lmao
cold island
i realised by checking steam
north shell
yea there's no fixed date is there?
latent moon
Not yet
stone rune
im just scared its gonna come out during the summer
when im at some 6 week long math camp
hardy spear
ew
latent moon
It might lol
north shell
summer would be great for me
stone rune
summer not during camp is great
although
winter break is just better
like
you know that feeling
cold island
6 week math camp in summer? lol bro what
stone rune
when it's winter break
and you just stayed up till 4 in the morning
playing some dumb video game
north shell
yea true winter break feels good af
north shell
playing some dumb video game
i did that with hades
stone rune
you dont get that same cozy feeling during summer
north shell
i played like 13 hours of hades when i bought it
stone rune
6 week math camp in summer? lol bro what
my mom sending me off to this ross thing
north shell
like first day
stone rune
i put in 100 hours of hades over winter break
cold island
summer on top idk you lot getting sent to some military school but im chilling going out everyday
cold island
i put in 100 hours of hades over winter break
sheeesh
north shell
yea no i love summer break
but like
playing games-wise
winter break solos
summer break is for goin out n other stuff
cold island
my mom sending me off to this ross thing
Ohio
stone rune
cold island
summer break is for goin out n other stuff
i dont play much games only a bit at night or with mates when their on but yeah game wise i agree
its just boring rly
so you play games cuz nothing else to do
empty condor
Would buying more cyclops jerky replace the original effect?
(I have the cyclops jerky select at the moment)
empty condor
thank you so much!
old dawn
they stack with separate durations yeah
rustic falcon
does that work for all the shop things like casts, cast damage, attack, etc
rustic vale
Yes
latent moon
They track encounters separately but the stats stack
proud lodge
so I'm at a point in the game where the family|| is invited for Ambrosia||. I STILL DON'T HAVE APHRODITEs BOND because no matter what I do I can't get Dusas hearts full.. I'm missing DEMETER too.
But for now I've had 3 ||bedroom run ins|| with MEG and only 1 with Thanatos... Is there going to be more? Is he shy? I want him to feel the love ❤️
And I'm still missing 1 chtonic companion!
latent moon
Demeter, you don't need max to get it
Aphrodite needs max bonds with dusa than and meg
proud lodge
Demeter, you don't need max to get it
Aphrodite needs max bonds with dusa than a...
dusa i'm missing MAX, but the game doesn't give me the opportunity to give her more ambrosia for some reason
and I haven't been offered the chance to give any more to demeter either
they're the 2 only ones i'm still missing
mint coral
@proud lodgehave you gotten the epilogue?
proud lodge
<@690567831666032640>have you gotten the epilogue?
like the ride back home? oh yes
mint coral
like the ride back home? oh yes
do you have the queen's plan on your list of minor prophecies
proud lodge
right now I'm on the task on giving out invitations to all the olympians
native blade
Ayo does Lambent Plume scale with Jury Summons?
latent moon
prob not
native blade
Lel.
native blade
Any keepsake that reduces Lava Damage?
native blade
Ig that answers my question then lol.
native blade
that probably helps
Thanks, prolly finna run that.
high island
Any keepsake that reduces Lava Damage?
Trick question.
There's no lava in Hades.
SGG: "Lava."
fans: "Actually, it's underground, so it's magma."
SGG: rerecords all the lines to say magma instead of lava
fans: "Lava."
native blade
> SGG: "Lava."
> fans: "Actually, it's underground, so it's magma."
> SGG: rerec...
I… I literally never noticed 
stone rune
lagma
native blade
Also… Spearpoint is insane, I just clapped Charon with 85 health and I didn’t even drop below 50.
native blade
lagma
Indeed
Man I live discount gaming.
Lel.
I think the process goes wrong around the dying part. Idk, what y’all think? 
stone rune
seeing these comments
this is rhe result of reddit
nobody knows the achilles rotation
native blade
Elaborate.
thorny radish
It's really bad, I used Achilles and really liked it for the dash to get the spear and everytime I used it I always got Demeter cast and didn't even get crystal clarity
stone rune
id imagine thats why people dont like achilles
native blade
that probably helps
Thanks for the tip btw, went from tragically dying on Hades to easily melting Lernie.
stone rune
It's really bad, I used Achilles and really liked it for the dash to get the spe...
meme beam is not the best achilles buuld
you can do hunting blades or just lightning strike
native blade
dstrike dstrike
Oh, sounds like Fists gameplay.
stone rune
theres a reason its called meme beam
thorny radish
Yeah and let's just say I wasn't exactly good at memes when I first started playing
I thought it was good because it was every .2 seconds
So I was like OMG THAST SO MYCH DMAAGE
thorny radish
It's just not as much damage as I could've gotten
native blade
True.
high island
Language.
thorny radish
No no words on god
high island
Also probably hide their name tbh. No shaming people.
Lady Aphrodite would not approve.
stone rune
do tou guys like my editing
thorny radish
Amazing edits
thorny radish
Aw crikey
stone rune
It was my cat
my little brother grabbed my phone
i was blindfolded
my controller unplugged
the wifi went out
i had lag
thorny radish
My finger slipped
stone rune
stone rune
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755677197670285312/1080391891901759488/im...
what build is this
becuase like
unless cast build pash dash
idk how you dont get more dash poms
native blade
Gigachad build 
stone rune
this is styx right
native blade
Ye.
stone rune
pom your dash!!!!!
native blade
Bro I just got it, also o7
native blade
pom your dash!!!!!
Is it worth it at this stage tho?
high island
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1080391971878735872/I...
The blasphemous version is still up.
🔫
Also.
stone rune
dont do it dusa
high island
You don't have the Lady Aphrodite flair on the subreddit.
stone rune
what is a flair
solar vault
the little tag thing next to your name
high island
Good.
native blade
what aspect is this?????
Look at my name
stone rune
well
i mean
in styx that attack is a lost cause
youd get like 20 more dps out of that
probanly just dash
tropic shadow
Dumdum questions
How many times do I need to die to each enemy to get all their hypnos quotes
sour fog
How many times do I need to die to each enemy to get all their hypnos quotes
Depends, there's a whole subplot with dying to Champions where you need at least 6 deaths, but in other cases I think 2 or 3?
latent moon
hollow path
why does chaos not give me the words to unlock the aspect of beowulf i have max upgrade on shield of chaos?
its also not during nyx/chaos storyline
silent dragon
Do you have guan yu
frigid nova
lol im about to fight the 3rd boss, whoever it is, and I dont have an attack boon
pastel monolith
lol im about to fight the 3rd boss, whoever it is, and I dont have an attack boo...
good luck! also RIP haha
pastel monolith
i have seen some players beat that boss first try tho, but usualy they have a decent build and help from twitch chat
frigid nova
yeah, it didn't seem that hard. clear strategy. but what can I do if I have no defiances left and I do like 40 damage lmao
pastel monolith
after the second time u beat them, go toward the top left of the map and u will see that theres one person in the stands cheering for zag. u can go and say something to them each time, it doesnt do anything but its a cute easter egg type thing and its kinda hades tradition to say hi to them every time
pastel monolith
probably the tooth or the skull
frigid nova
is the tooth like another death defiance?
pastel monolith
i also love the money bag and the hourglass that makes charon well items last longer
pastel monolith
is the tooth like another death defiance?
ya pretty much
frigid nova
I've been using coin purse for like, ever
pastel monolith
wait i said tooth or skull, i meant to say tooth or acorn
acorn is the one where it cancels damage from the first 5 boss attacks
north shell
acorn is the goat fr
north shell
is there weapons upgrades or are they just how they are
there are
they are called aspects
frigid nova
where get
pastel monolith
4 different weapon modes or "aspects" and each have 5 levels of upgrade
north shell
i can't remember the exact criteria for unlocking aspects
frigid nova
I have not cleared a run yet
north shell
it's been a long time
frigid nova
I will clear a run
pastel monolith
i can't remember the exact criteria for unlocking aspects
i think it's just unlock all weapons then talk to skelly next chance u get.. but the hidden aspects all require story and relationship progress
north shell
i think it's just unlock all weapons then talk to skelly next chance u get.. but...
yea but the hidden aspects also happen to be like
not good
frigid nova
i think it's just unlock all weapons then talk to skelly next chance u get.. but...
that was it
pastel monolith
some of them are pretty good, at least they are all very interesting
rustic falcon
lucifer is fun
frigid nova
aspect of zagreus seems the best
north shell
yeah i didn't say they aren't fun
they're all run
fun
just like
fun doesn't always equal good
yk
pastel monolith
haha ya
north shell
but at the end of the day you run whatever you like
north shell
aspect of zagreus seems the best
most of the times it's not
pastel monolith
beo and rama are good the rest are... a challenge..
frigid nova
most of the times it's not
the rest seems ass
frigid nova
nemesis seems ok ig
north shell
oh you're talking about sword aspects?
nemesis is basically the best
zag and poseidon are like
fine
but i think poseidon >
and arthur is niche
pastel monolith
poseidan sword is one of the better aspects for cast builds
arthur is difficult to get good with.. at least in my experience
sour fog
smacking people with arthur feels really fun tho
pastel monolith
definitely.. big bonks
arthur is my worst aspect of all probably, but it was still somehow the first sword aspect i got 32 heat with
frigid nova
zag aspect really looks the best to me rn
pastel monolith
last time i used arthur it was when i was trying to get as much gold as possible.. i was hoping for hoarding slash hammer but i didnt get it.. i had like 7000 gold by the end but i died to hades bc i had no boons and i suck with arthur
latent moon
zag aspect really looks the best to me rn
For sword?
frigid nova
yes
latent moon
It's probably the worst sword aspect
frigid nova
I'll use it for now
while I'm learning
I also take basic boons because I cant focus on the enemies if im too confused by what I'm doing
pastel monolith
the zag aspects are cool bc u can max them with only 5 titan bloods
latent moon
I also take basic boons because I cant focus on the enemies if im too confused b...
Wdym by "basic boons"
frigid nova
like I'll take higher attack damage than something like doom
latent moon
Well it depends most of the time
Rail has bullets with base 10 damage
Epic Aphrodite atk will give you 100% more damage (10 more damage)
Common lightning strike is 10 damage with the added benefit of chain lightning
frigid nova
I never thought of it that way
latent moon
General rule of thumb is that something that hits fast but with low base damage wants a flat damage attack (ares doom, Zeus lightning, Dionysus hangover)
So like fists and rail
And flurry jab spear
Stuff that hits slower and harder want a % modifier
So like sword, bow, and shield
There are some exceptions like running merciful end but for the most part that's basically it
pastel monolith
^
zag bow is probably the best zagreus aspect u can max it with only 5 titan blood and then u have a really good weapon nice and early in ur progress
i love zag bow with artemis attack and flurry shot hammer
one of my favorite builds in the game
throw in some hunters mark and pressure points.. hermes attack speed maybe.. and u can basically just hold the attack button and dominate everything
latent moon
Twin or triple is generally better for a first hammer but flurry is also good yeah
pastel monolith
ya those are better but require more effort and skill
when i was a newer player i had so much fun with flurry shot and artemis attack on zag bow.. its how i got my first ever 32 heat
latent moon
Lmao fair enough
pastel monolith
its possible to get twin/triple and also flurry right?
now that sounds awesome
when I first unlocked rama i didnt know how to use it properly but i loved it for builds that were just spammong thr special
kinda like a build in flurry shot
lone sable
Iirc twin and triple cant be gotten at the same time
north shell
poseidan sword is one of the better aspects for cast builds
achilles tho 
ok but my bias aside, they're both good in different scenarios
pastel monolith
ya achilles rules.. i didnt see how good it was for the longest time.. i forgot it affects cast, i also thought the damage boost only counts if you actualy hit something with ur special
but nope, just special quickly and then unleash cast
quickly became my favorite spear aspect
or possibly only good one haha
stone rune
its possible to get twin/triple and also flurry right?
triple flurry zagbow was my first actually fast dad kill
pastel monolith
nice
stone rune
think it was 45s
pastel monolith
i think mine was just regular shield and ares special
latent moon
its possible to get twin/triple and also flurry right?
Yes
north shell
funnily enough my fastest vanilla clear was first timing poseidon 
or 2nd timing
i probably played it once back when i bought the game
pastel monolith
i need to get better with the gun where u get universal damage boost after u hit urself with the special.. ive seen people be insanely effective with it but i cant seem to get the technique just right
north shell
eris
yea idk i don't really like
the gun
i know it's good if used properly
but it's just not my playstyle tbh
pastel monolith
ya it usualy depends on the hammers.. cluster rockets are insane haha
latent moon
Well that's mainly if you want big damage, eris without it is still strong
native blade
Well that's mainly if you want big damage, eris without it is still strong
Hey, is there a Duo tierlist?
north shell
probably dumb question but high confidence is universal right?
stone rune
i will go make one
latent moon
probably dumb question but high confidence is universal right?
For Speedruns yeah
latent moon
Oh yea
north shell
good
north shell
yea it doesn't
native blade
We love High Confidence gamers.
stone rune
beo:
dire tendon
Not bad, but not really that good
stone rune
if i were considering it on not beo then it would be lower
dire tendon
Like considering it on average
Mirage is only amazing on one weapon and is decent on the rest, so I argue a - a+
stone rune
considering things in a charitablish situation is why exclusive access evades D tier
gray apex
tier lists
latent moon
I thought this was regardless of aspect
And this is why boon to tier lists don't work lol
native blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1080547594385756200/i...
What are they worse versions of?
gray apex
They're just irrelevant
dire tendon
And this is why boon to tier lists don't work lol
like per aspect tier lists is likely the only way to do it
stone rune
What are they worse versions of?
curse of longing: low tolerance
freezing vortex: hunting blades
cold embrace: crystal clarity
scintillating feast: ice wine
native blade
like per aspect tier lists is likely the only way to do it
True.
native blade
curse of longing: low tolerance
freezing vortex: hunting blades
cold embrace: cr...
Gotcha.
dire tendon
we should just make per aspect tier lists and call it a day :) because generalized lists gravitate towards global boons
stone rune
which is why SMAIR ON TOP
also it's a fake tier list cause i havent actualyl used most of these
and im basing these off of what probably are jokes by better players
gray apex
If you need 24 tier lists might aswell check the pinned guide in #h1-builds-and-combat because tier lists dont help you understand the game
dire tendon
guys crystal clarity is f tier because it’s unusable on Beowulf
stone rune
it's vibes based gaming
native blade
Damn, Exclusive Access is that low?
latent moon
curse of longing: low tolerance
freezing vortex: hunting blades
cold embrace: cr...
That's curse of nausea
Not longing
latent moon
Well nausea is good for heat
stone rune
the only time you get pos dio in core is if you pick up tdash isn't it
latent moon
You shoot for either low tolerance or nausea
stone rune
because you'd force aph second
well yeah it's worse by a very small margin
60% increase vs 50% increase
but i also don't like ares
latent moon
I'd rate it higher tbh
stone rune
so i dropped it down
mint coral
pos dio in cores
i have taken dio flourish before on achilles
if it pays out good if not just sell it
stone rune
i have taken dio flourish before on achilles
why
mint coral
i already start tidal dash anyways
latent moon
Even tho it is a worse thing that exists it's still pretty good
mint coral
ofc doesnt mean im taking it over arte/ares/zeus but just as a gamble
stone rune
does sea storm proc splitting bolt
latent moon
Yeah
stone rune
does splitting bolt double strike
latent moon
No
I'm pretty sure anyways
Splitting isn't a thunder strike
Might be more akin to chain lightning
latent moon
we should just make per aspect tier lists and call it a day :) because generaliz...
It'd still be pretty wack tbh
Some are objective ofc like ME
But there's still a lot of variance esp because heat, speed, and casual play generally use different stuff
grave copper
If i put on a god keepsake after a boss without seeing all 4 gods in the run does that make the keepsake god a permanent 4th one?
stone rune
yes they're added to your pool
grave copper
If you do it with 4 gods already seen do they just pop up the one time?
stone rune
no they're still added to your pool
grave copper
Thank you
manic vine
I'm doing another Fists attempt with Demeter's aspect, should I get Flourish, True Shot or Artemis' Aid?
stone rune
arty flourish has the highest like
damage increase at common on average
comes out to 96% i believe
manic vine
Should I get Epic Electric Shot, Rare Static Discarge or Lightning Rod?
stone rune
zap fists?
manic vine
Yep
stone rune
jolted every time
manic vine
Oh this is not good
My plan just kind of fumbled, I was gonna try for crystal clarity and look for Demeter
But now Aphro's here.
stone rune
passion dash
heart rend
crystal clarity not big on fists
138% boost on unpommed arty special with heart rend
latent moon
get cold embrace lmao
it'll probably kinda work because it's fists so you're near the enemy
stone rune
cold embrace is dme
latent moon
dont do cold embrace that was a joke
stone rune
but dont
latent moon
what are your current cores rn?
stone rune
do heart rend
latent moon
zeus atk, arty special, what else
latent moon
your cast doesn't matter in this build, just dont take something that'll open up an unwanted duo
so just fill the cast with zeus or artemis
manic vine
So almost anything and avoid demeter like the plague?
latent moon
aphrodite is fine, but it's harder to apply boiling blood
latent moon
So almost anything and avoid demeter like the plague?
yeah she's not gonna be useful here
except if rare crop hits your static discharge
but it's whatever tbh
manic vine
Rare crop could be good with almost all of my boons at the moment
latent moon
i mean you dont hunt for it
it's just whatever
if you're forced into demeter then you might as well but you dont actively seek out rare crop
manic vine
Yeah I'll just get a keepsake that I need to level up and just go ahead.
latent moon
if you want, you can pick up zeus or dio call for smair
i'd lean towards zeus so you dont open up more duos
manic vine
This is crystal clarity all over again, I've had 3 shots to get Heart Rend and I got Artemis' Legendary boon, and no heart rend.
latent moon
it do be like that
latent moon
fake news
north shell
😭
toxic trellis
manic vine
I didn't get either duo boons
latent moon
which ones did you want? heart rend and what
manic vine
Tried for heart rend because arty was in Styx and I couldn't get it
And I couldn't get smoldering air because neither Zeus or Aphro were in styx
stone rune
heart rend is more of a cherry on top for builds that are already done and just could do with a nice extra
latent moon
unless it's nemesis or zag bow
you aim for heart rend on those
but any other build yeah
stone rune
speedcord told me you dont build for those
latent moon
well a casual player would build for those
not everyone hard resets if they dont get good boons lol
stone rune
hyper delivery
latent moon
yeah nem and zag start tdash for speedruns, but it's fine for casual players to build towards heart rend at the start
stone rune
shackle:
latent moon
well nem can also do that
stone rune
also they said you could take hdash on nem
latent moon
wtf is hdash
stone rune
hunter dash
stone rune
zagbow aoe
latent moon
just because speedrunners do one thing doesn't mean everyone should do those things
latent moon
latent moon
targeting, triple
latent moon
iirc delta is actually a loss in dps if you know how to manage your ammo correctly
latent moon
targ biggest possible rail cope
hey 30% more global damage on top of a 75% why not
stone rune
iirc delta is actually a loss in dps if you know how to manage your ammo correct...
no way lmfao
latent moon
i remember someone saying that lmao
stone rune
hey 30% more global damage on top of a 75% why not
holy crap lois, a 17.1% multiplicative bonus
latent moon
lmao
i mean it's extra damage that's helpful
so why not
oh flurry is good i think
stone rune
budget zag
latent moon
piercing in ely can be nice because of the shields
stone rune
flurry spread fire imo
latent moon
delta is still good for free iframes
stone rune
i mean
latent moon
you'll generally have like 1 decent 2nd hammer for eris
like obv wont be fantastic
but it's a decent cope pick
stone rune
latent moon
ah yes the personal experience of a single individual is universal
high island
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1080619217553981460/i...
Zag Sword fastest aspect in the game.
stone rune
real
high island
Clearly.
stone rune
do i just cave and take atrophic strike 30%
ehhh no reset i dont wanna deal with rolling twice
rustic vale
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1080619217553981460/i...
Zag sword pb? I bet it’s sub120 then
stone rune
415 leaving aspho
i hate no reset
640 entering heroes this is so bad
did i just have a 25 second heroes
rustic vale
did i just have a 25 second heroes
No it was a 250 second heroes
rustic vale
i think im legally not allowed to play this game ever
💪
stone rune
Zag Sword fastest aspect in the game.
this zagsword run, it turns out, was a "zagsword curse of drowning build"
a build with, as we all know, extreme synergy
latent moon
what was their time lmao
rustic vale
Sub300 surely
but given that’s their pb, my opinion of them went even farther down then before
rustic vale
safe to say it was subinfinity
high island
Anyway, let's keep the subreddit comments on the subreddit, I'd say. 
stone rune
rustic vale
There is a reason that this isn’t the Hades Subreddit
high island
Personally, I'll just go back to not posting there tbh. It's weirdly toxic.
rustic vale
I just avoid it because it’s just asking for bad opinions
high island
I get downvoted too many times for speaking simple facts lol.
Or branded elitist for daring to say that one build is more effective than another lol.
rustic vale
Dang sis, ME is more effective then sea storm on zag sword? How dare you push your opinions on me
Hoarding slash isn’t the best sword hammer? Blasphemy
high island
There's a lot fine people on there, but there's also a lot that are aggressively and proudly ignorant.
stone rune
it's so funny that hoarding slash isn't utter garbage just by virture of it not literally negatively affecting you
rustic vale
It’s not utter garbage because there are worse
Definitely one of the top 9 sword hammers
brisk trail
Is it better to spam base spear special or use the melee?
rustic vale
Is it better to spam base spear special or use the melee?
Base spear special is rlly bad
Just spam melee
rustic falcon
Is it better to spam base spear special or use the melee?
I think dash strike
brisk trail
Base spear special is rlly bad
25 25 damage kinda slow ngl
rustic vale
exploding launcher makes the special way better
brisk trail
But kinda helps with really annoying ranged enemy
brisk trail
exploding launcher makes the special way better
Really helps if you wanna hit behind shield guy
brisk trail
I tend to spam special before getting closer
latent moon
spear special isn't that great (disregarding the damage) because the recall recovery is slow
rustic vale
And removes your ability to standing strike/ dash strike
latent moon
and that
brisk trail
I think most of its purpose is just to finish off or force enemy to flinch
latent moon
the spear special is useless except for achilles and guan yu
and on achilles you dont even use it for its damage, you use it for the damage boost
spam it twice lol
stone rune
the best spears are the ones that are not spears
stone rune
guan yu is a weird hestia
latent moon
sounds about right
rustic vale
if you find exploding launcher it’s a different story
Achilles and guan-yu are different stories anyways
rustic vale
well guan yu is a spear
All the spears are spears
rustic vale
guan yu is a weird hestia
Superior*
latent moon
okay but ME funny
stone rune
guan MEu???
woeful trout
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1073013107477192774/im...
what are the actively negative stuff
and why are they negative
rustic vale
what are the actively negative stuff
World Splitter: only negative if you actually end up standing striking, animation takes too long and interupts your combo
Dash Nova: messes up your special
Flurry slash: forget how to articulate what I mean but nerf to survivability
Cursed slash: -60% hp for little-no benefit because it doesn’t give hp back on dash strikes
woeful trout
World Splitter: only negative if you actually end up standing striking, animatio...
Cursed slash is bad but it is very funny
rustic vale
But it is bad
flurry strike messes up your dashes defensiveness iirc
“Flurry Slash doesn't buff your Dash-Strikes at all and in fact makes it impossible to do a Dash-Strike without getting a standing Attack after it. Which... really hurts actually.
Similarly, Flurry Slash prevents you from doing a standing attack into empty dash. It becomes impossible to do an empty dash immediately after a standing attack. You'll always get a Dash-Strike instead.”
-Nyaanyaa
woeful trout
“Flurry Slash doesn't buff your Dash-Strikes at all and in fact makes it impossi...
does sword just have the worst hammers damn
rustic vale
does sword just have the worst hammers damn
Yes
stone rune
pretty sure you just avoid 2nd hammer on ap2
woeful trout
what other hammers are negative
rustic vale
Even on ap1
rustic vale
what other hammers are negative
Serrated point/ flurry jab if you have the other
stone rune
Serrated point/ flurry jab if you have the other
oh yeah whats the actual issue with this
yes hazard is a great hammer
woeful trout
i dont think its on lucifer (ive never gotten it)
stone rune
no lol
rustic vale
i dont think its on lucifer (ive never gotten it)
It isn’t
woeful trout
lucifer gotta be one of the most unique and fun weapons fr
stone rune
what
rustic vale
Compared to regular rail with 12 or something
rustic vale
So serrated point and flurry jab
woeful trout
lucifer gets serrated point?
The wretches watch in horror as Zagreus runs out of ammo and just stabs people with his gun
rustic vale
Both nerf your defense when you dash strike to an extent
the combo of both is massive defense decrease for no offense increas
stone rune
how flurry
rustic vale
Because the animation with serrated and flurry also takes longer
rustic vale
how flurry
Immediately standing strike on dash strike
rustic vale
Vaguely similiar to how flurry slash is bad but flurry jab is good
stone rune
flurry slash also bad because standing strike bad isnt it\
rustic vale
but both serrated and flurry are a recipe for taking damage on dashes
woeful trout
kinda wish there was a bot here that allowed you to look up what upgrades/items did
wait is eternal chamber a bad hammer? i take it pretty often and im afraid im taking something harmful
i just dont like reloading unless hestia
rustic vale
eternal chamber is a good hammer for 2 reasons: base damage of lucifer doesn’t matter, and it increases the odds of triple bomb
stone rune
ramp damage tho
stone rune
wheres that nyaanyaa thing
rustic vale
It increases triple bomb odds on second hammer and it means you no longer have to reload
rustic vale
wheres that nyaanyaa thing
?
stone rune
idk
but
apparently the ramp is good enough to the point where heartbreak strike works on luci
stone rune
the real solution is to play modded
rustic vale
just like how sea storm zag sword can work
But probably closer to actually viable
Plus that is if you focus on the ramp damage
So you’d want conc beam instead
Which is also a good lucifer hammer for the same reason as eternal chamber
Boosts triple bomb odds
woeful trout
whats a funny lucifer build
stone rune
super soaker is the classic meme luci build
dire tendon
hear me out
triple beam meme beam
MAXIMUM BEAM
you'd go infernal soul and hard roll for fully loaded since you're getting arty anyways and sup fire + luci is coolio
just spam as many beams at once
dire tendon
ha ha very funny
woeful trout
Ngl I feel like fully loaded is one of my favorite legendaries
Feels like the most versatile one besides bad news
It’s funny with Stygian soul
stone rune
bad news is only cool if you have non lodging cast
woeful trout
bad news is only cool if you have non lodging cast
oh yeah forgot you only get like 2-3 hermes boons no matter what
stone rune
or you're on a stygian lodging cast build for some reason
stone rune
also it's literally just boiling blood but without casting
woeful trout
btw how do you get image perms here?
ive seen people post images and i dont know how
they werent mods so its not a moderator thing im pretty sure
stone rune
you put a link
brisk trail
yes hazard is a great hammer
Imagine if you can mix hazard and cluster 💀
How bad will it goes
woeful trout
Imagine if you can mix hazard and cluster 💀
you become the pot
(i dont know what they're called)
brisk trail
you become the pot
The pot miniboss on steroids
woeful trout
wait do revenge boons trigger on self damage effects
i just had possibly the dumbest idea
brisk trail
Idk
stone rune
vengeful mood (bad mode)
brisk trail
Forcefully triggering the revenge boon by throwing nuke grenade at yourself for funny
woeful trout
how much damage does hazard bomb do to yourself
stone rune
1%
woeful trout
1%
oh so its not sustainable
unless you were to never pick up an HP upgrade
and therefore make it deal only 1 damage
stone rune
no it's 1% of the hazard damage
woeful trout
wait thats dumb what the hell am i doing
stone rune
if the hazard deals 700 you take 7
woeful trout
if the hazard deals 700 you take 7
ah
stone rune
also yeah that would be silly because a % is a %
woeful trout
so its bad for your own health if you're too strong
woeful trout
also yeah that would be silly because a % is a %
well to be fair room transition healing is a thing and thats flat
woeful trout
Does super soaker make sea storm good
limber ether
it's a pretty big difficulty increase IMO
latent moon
20% faster movement speed, atk, atk speed, projectile speed
stone rune
it makes everything harder
woeful trout
i actually have no idea what the optimal heat filling in is
latent moon
heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
woeful trout
i just do stuff that doesnt make stuff tankier because i hate tankier stuff
stone rune
well dont do cp
latent moon
if you want to get into speedrunning or higher heat above 32, i recommend learning FO tho
the heat guide doesn't really mention that
FO kinda becomes "free" once you learn it so that's nice
stone rune
c5 130: the fists experience
latent moon
not everyone cares about time
stone rune
not everyone cares about time <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
this is probably wr pace for fists
latent moon
Sweet nectar in Tartarus
based
latent moon
this is probably wr pace for fists
wr dem fists for modded is already at furies at this point lol
limber ether
yeah I'm not going for time
stone rune
and thats with hypermodded luck
limber ether
just getting bounties and levelling up keepsakes
woeful trout
Kinda wonder why Dionysus doesn’t get sweet nectar
I feel like it fits him more than Poseidon
stone rune
because exclusive access
latent moon
and thats with hypermodded luck
you're just bad
woeful trout
Not to mention dio benefits the most from poms
latent moon
You should
i mean i "care" about time but that's only if i want to speedrun that aspect
or at that time
stone rune
what is this pact
latent moon
based nasty dash
latent moon
fists moment
rustic vale
Also a good example of dio with poms
latent moon
that is peak fds
stone rune
zeus attack pos moment
latent moon
except not epic rd
rustic vale
Only missing LT and CoN
stone rune
first ever run with all cores filled?
stone rune
smair
rustic vale
stone rune
oh
rustic vale
low tolerance isn't that important tbh
It’s smair with dio call, it’s practically refilling itself before the hangover stacks run out
rustic vale
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1029167904551350372/...
This is another funny pom moment
latent moon
does it? i didn't have that experience when i used dio call smair
it ran out right before i got another call through
rustic vale
Maybe because you didn’t have lvl 9 dio call
rustic vale
Stacks give you charge %
rustic vale
does dio have 5 or 4 charges
4
stone rune
then it should run out
latent moon
oh true call lvl might've mattered
stone rune
if there's 5 sec between calls
rustic vale
Smair + the damage from dio + the damage from whatever I was doing aside from calls
Makes it less then 5 seconds between calls
latent moon
if there's 5 sec between calls
hangover damage still carries over so it charges on top of the auto recharge
rustic vale
Most noticeable with multiple enemies
Damn Shackle was really a drunken dash phase
stone rune
based spread fire
rustic vale
It’s like a 50:40:10 whether my shackle runs have tidal dash, nasty dash or some other dash
rustic vale
based spread fire
Spreadfire zagreus with attack +% goes hard
Literally just superior heavy knuckle
rustic vale
spread fire eris with shackle
1/3 the ammo
stone rune
but 110 damage
rustic vale
but
The other is 80 damage and has to reload way less often
Plus zag can still find more attack +%
But not reloading as often is the real thing I believe
I almost forgot about shackle phase thoufh
woeful trout
god im playing terrible today
rustic vale
I found my paper lists from when I did it the other day
woeful trout
i probably should've rerolled zeus instead of picking double strike when i only have dash
rustic vale
I had one for 20 heat with all aspects cross off and then another for 32 heat with like
Zag sword and zag bow maybe
stone rune
double strike good
rustic vale
And that was it
woeful trout
does double strike even boost sea storm?
stone rune
yes
rustic vale
Yes
stone rune
sea storm is bugged with double strike
it does it a lot more of the time than it should
Double Strike (specifically and exclusively with Thunder Flourish, Thunder Flare, Heaven’s Vengeance, and Sea Storm)
Increases the probability of a second bolt by a much greater amount than is stated by the boon
woeful trout
also gotta love how broken zeus call is
rustic vale
zeus call isn’t broken
rustic vale
It’s good but not broken
north shell
fr
stone rune
- easily opens smair
rustic vale
dio call is a close second