I had the duo boon that makes everything epic.
I chose eurydice's nectar hoping to get heroic-rarity boons.
Lies and disappointment.
#h1-discussion
white path
rustic falcon
can you get heroic rarity outside of switching core boons out and ambrosia delight
mint coral
rare crop from demeter
stone rune
ive had like 3 33x aspho exits today and all of them didnt get clockets
rustic falcon
i don't know why but merciful end is really fun to use
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820856028321021982/1078502631502250025/image.png
i am confused what is this aura thing i have around Zagreus i cant find where it is from
stone rune
acorn
rustic vale
Agent Acorn
mint coral
chaos shield?
stone rune
yeah
like id understand new players thinking it's good because they're told by other new players that it's good
but people seem drawn to it of their own accord
rustic vale
what is it that's so enticing about chaos
Not updating your game from early access
latent moon
but people seem drawn to it of their own accord
they probably like using the special a lot
latent moon
they're not aware that it's not that good lmao
stone rune
if you use it how people say they use it and shoot it into a large group of enemies you have to sit there for like 2 seconds
no but it's not fun
latent moon
well they dont really have a sense of what's good and what's not, and they think it's good and they find it fun
so they're gonna keep doing it
latent moon
i have a friend who used chaos to bull rush in and spam special and repeat
and then i told them that that sucks and that's basically the same playstyle of zeus shield
stone rune
i think the person who posted this might be a top player trolling
latent moon
didn't they say they had like 100 hours or something
stone rune
yeah
latent moon
for 100 hours that makes sense lol
latent moon
yeah and you've been in the discord for like at least 150 of it
toxic trellis
Nah, I have around 100 hours and even I can tell that list is cap
latent moon
if you weren't in the discord i wouldn't think you'd be at the skill level you are currently lmao
latent moon
Nah, I have around 100 hours and even I can tell that list is cap
i mean you're also in the discord so you know what's meta and whatnot
stone rune
thats cause nyaanyaa is the best
latent moon
if you're just playing the game without looking anything up or getting recs of what's good, that tier list is probably accurate for 100 hours of playing
"accurate" in the sense that everything is all over the place
stone rune
ofc the thing people take the most issue with is the chiron b tier
toxic trellis
i mean you're also in the discord so you know what's meta and whatnot
Buddy I main Talos, I’m way past caring about actual “meta”
latent moon
well i said that you know what's meta not that you care
knowing and caring are different things
stone rune
if you're just playing the game without looking anything up or getting recs of w...
i think the most striking one though is zagrail over eris
latent moon
i mean there's a lot of things wrong lmao
stone rune
i think even a person playing on their own could figure out that eris is better
just by virtue of like
counting
latent moon
zag rail has the benefit of less thinking than eris
because with eris you have less ammo and need to be mindful of where you stand
zag rail is just "aight sure"
stone rune
the rest of the tier list i could imagine dreaming up
stone rune
if you weren't in the discord i wouldn't think you'd be at the skill level you a...
tbh id probably have dropped the game already
its been a looong time since a game has had me in a chokehold as hard as hades
like 4 years ago when i was really into csgo for 9 months
latent moon
lmao maybe
stone rune
and if i didnt have speedrun or heat ability i think id just say im done after at most my 10th clear
toxic trellis
talos is meta
latent moon
lmao before i joined the discord i had a 32 heat clear and had finished the epilogue
and then i got into speedrunning when i joined
stone rune
its weird how your first 32 is so hard
stone rune
my pact wasnt even thaat bad and i still was only saved in the end by stubborn roots lmfao
idk how i did all my achievements first try 
latent moon
tbf i was using passion beo
without pstatus
cursed pact and mirror
actually pact isn't too bad
cursed mirror tho
stone rune
favor
latent moon
tbf i didn't care about the mirror much lol
for the mirror, all i cared about was the dashes, DD, hp, and persuasion
and casts i guess
stone rune
darling dashes
latent moon
everything else was just whatever frankly lol
mint coral
"just checked my first 32 lmao
HL3, JS3, em3, CP1, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, dc1 and TD2"
That was mine
Eris if you are wondering
mint coral
Even funnier
stone rune
you got td3 time
mint coral
That was a clockets run but i accidentally anvil'd
stone rune
and got spread fire
stone rune
i think it's axiomatic that anyone who takes td2 for their first 32 because they think they're too slow will get a td3 time
latent moon
he then did a few runs and later ended up with this with a good pact
pact diff moment
mint coral
The new pb really sells it
latent moon
oh yeah lmfao
stone rune
5 runs and 6 minutes
latent moon
pos call
well you just take what you can get lmao
it opens up mirage
and also like pos call isn't that bad tbh
mint coral
Pos call fun
latent moon
pos call is like the least offensive thing in that image
mint coral
Chain shot isnt a hammer i agree
latent moon
lmao
stone rune
lvl5 cast
stone rune
what's the maximum slow
i have killing freeze with chill and abyssal blood and targ system for 18.4% movespeed
latent moon
does arthur aura slow more than targeting system
woeful trout
Flurry shot gotta be the best bow hammer
high island
i have killing freeze with chill and abyssal blood and targ system for 18.4% mov...
Not sure how exactly movement speed reduction stacks. @night rampart might have looked into it.
stone rune
Flurry shot gotta be the best bow hammer
croven alt
high island
Flurry shot gotta be the best bow hammer
Best on Hera. Best second hammer on Zag Bow if you have Twin or Triple Shot already.
stone rune
flurry rama
latent moon
flurry rama
flurry rama sucks
high island
It's fun, just not as strong without Twin or Triple Shot.
woeful trout
Also I just don’t really like triple shot that much
stone rune
flurry rama sucks
so real
woeful trout
I know it’s strong but it feels awkward to get all 3 hits in
stone rune
how much damage does flurry rama do
latent moon
maybe
stone rune
i feel like it should be 100
high island
I know it’s strong but it feels awkward to get all 3 hits in
Takes practice, yeah. But you also maintain the original range and you'll often hit other enemies when you go for shots from far.
stone rune
i feel like a damage hit would be compensated for if it's small enough by not having to sit there for half an hour waiting for your power shot
unless you still have to sit there and just cant power shoot
high island
how much damage does flurry rama do
Flurry Shot overrides the base damage of your Attack and Dash-Attack just like e.g. Rocket Bomb does for rail Special.
60 for Attack and 40 for Dash-Attack.
So that's what it does on Rama too.
stone rune
rocket lucifer
empty swallow
Aspect of Hades 26.95% (100 votes)
Aspect of Achilles 73.05% (271 votes)
.https://strawpoll.com/polls/YVyPmvO9BnN vote for who you wanna win.
Since I'm late on posting it voting is extended till 10pm british time tomorrow
Sorry for bein late on this one I was tired af
latent moon
oh boy cant wait for chiron to win
stone rune
all homework done time to grind 4 more hours of tart resets
latent moon
tart simulator
high island
all homework done time to grind 4 more hours of tart resets
“...The lowest reaches of the Underworld are reserved not just for the Master's own abode, but for the benefit of every wretch who, in the course of drawing breath, failed every opportunity to leave any sort of positive impression behind. Tartarus is one of the Master's most elaborate designs, constructed not just to contain the wretched dead, but to oppress them, to punish them. The Master has no pity for the wretches, here; he would say they had their chance, and knew the risks of leading hateful lives. Punishment is all that is left for souls such as these; no more chance of rehabilitation, only suffering. Some miserably toil about, while others receive dedicated hands-on treatment, courtesy of the Master's overseers, who ensure Tartarus always retains the reputation that it has.”
woeful trout
I wonder if a Poseidon cast run is good
It seems to have a lot of boons that boost it
stone rune
I wonder if a Poseidon cast run is good
the beo in question:
woeful trout
No beo
high island
the beo in question:
jazz using the meme format in question:
woeful trout
Sea storm, blizzard shot, mirage shot
high island
You'd want Blizzard Shot first and foremost.
woeful trout
Is it good?
stone rune
jazz using the meme format in question:
the shining sun and green grass in question:
high island
It's pretty good, yeah.
The thing with Flood Shot/Blizzard Shot is that Flood Shot is a lodging cast and hence benefits more from Infernal Soul. But Blizzard Shot is a non-lodging cast and benefits more from Stygian Soul.
woeful trout
So Stygian soul blizzard shot
high island
Well, Infernal Soul is still overall the more reliable option on it.
woeful trout
And I probably want something like Poseidon aspect right
high island
But Stygian Soul has better potential if you can get extra cast ammo from Master Chaos.
Achilles would be best, as usual for Cast builds.
woeful trout
If I’m going for mirage shot I could probably go for fully loaded as well
stone rune
i hate thanatos
this guy just walked around for like 12 seconds before dropping the heart
high island
I recommend you focus on Blizzard Shot + Grasp and Shot from Master Chaos first and foremost and consider options like Mirage Shot as they come in the run.
So like.. focus on support boons from those two gods as well.
high island
Razor Shoals, Snow Burst, Ravenous Will, Killing Freeze... that sort of stuff that you already know will scale your Blizzard Shot damage and is easily accessible from focusing on the two gods for Blizzard Shot anyway.
high island
Nice speedrun mirror you got there.
night rampart
Not sure how exactly movement speed reduction stacks. <@334853357871169536> migh...
All movespeed is multiplicative that’s all
high island
Chiron with Artemis special and relentless volley is pretty insane
But Rama special with Zeus is absolutely broken
@stone rune Rama winning for the wrong reasons.
woeful trout
> Chiron with Artemis special and relentless volley is pretty insane
>
> But Ra...
I kinda like Zeus Rama tho
high island
It's fun and decent enough, but it's not exactly using the full potential of the aspect.
empty swallow
lapis lantern
Is ||hades|| really ||not fighting|| me when ||the dialogue says|| it?
uneven monolith
Y
lapis lantern
Is it a good idea to change my ambrosias for titan blood to upgrade weapons?
Like what do I really need 13 of these for?
latent moon
Like what do I really need 13 of these for?
Finishing bonds with characters and upgrading companions
sweet bough
So much buzz words I don't even understand what any of this stuff means
sour fog
Like what do I really need 13 of these for?
Depends on how far you are in, if you are very early in a playthrough then there isn't much to spend it on but once you reach high bonds then the costs accumulate a bit
but personally I used to trade it for blood semi-regularly
high island
Crit damage modifiers are multiplicative right
(sum of base dmg) * (1 + sum of bonus dmg)
critical hit damage =
(normal damage) * (3 + sum of bonus crit dmg)```
stone rune
"Who are all these Rama fans and where are they coming from? This is a weapon nobody ever talks about vs Chiron, which gets love seven days a week."
stone rune
chiron is a fun aspect especially compared to rama at low practice
but that doesnt change that rama is just better
sour fog
objectively better I am sure, but people probably vote subjectively
stone rune
and thats fine
but its an issue when people say chiron is objectively better
which is, somehow, happening in the comments
sour fog
okay I haven't read those so I missed that
native blade
Anybody else sucks at Erebus?
sour fog
depends which enemies I get
flame wheels can go f themselves
same for the big chariots, it feels like their charge is over but if they touch you you still get damage
native blade
flame wheels can go f themselves
You're so right.
They suck in general but on an Erebus they're torture.
native blade
I usually get Skelly summon to cheese em but I'm on a fun run rn.
native blade
they also make me nervous which then makes me make mistakes
Yeah, kinda like the Numbskulls but infinitely worse.
mint coral
Anybody else sucks at Erebus?
im fine at them till the super elite butterfly appears
sour fog
butterflies in Erebus are also a nightmare, yeah
mint coral
im somewhat ok with normal butterflies
but the fact that it can appear as the em4 version
native blade
im fine at them till the super elite butterfly appears
You're joking... That's pain.
native blade
but the fact that it can appear as the em4 version
stone rune
Anybody else sucks at Erebus?
i had to git gud at them for boonless mirrorless
sour fog
I wouldn't play boonless mirrorless if someone paid me to
I tried mirrorless as I was trying to beat the game on first run of a playthrough and Champions kept destroying me, and if I somehow made it past them then Hades would gently poke me and I'd die from how little health I had
native blade
i had to git gud at them for boonless mirrorless
Madlad.
stone rune
I tried mirrorless as I was trying to beat the game on first run of a playthroug...
ff is harder than just mirrorless
native blade
I tried mirrorless as I was trying to beat the game on first run of a playthroug...
Same, I'm just not that guy.
sour fog
true but not by much
native blade
Is ff an actual Pact?
stone rune
fresh file
sour fog
okay maybe it is harder a lot 😄 but I still feel like I wouldn't be good at mirrorless, for me biggest thing from mirror is second dodge and max HP, and I would lose those either way
after I started trying fresh file I figured out I'm just garbage at dodging, but if you have two you can afford to be garbage at dodging
native blade
okay maybe it is harder a lot 😄 but I still feel like I wouldn't be good at mir...
It's just really painful getting strong and then nerfing yourself.
hardy spear
okay maybe it is harder a lot 😄 but I still feel like I wouldn't be good at mir...
death defiance
native blade
Losing Stubborn Defiance would be soul crushing, yeah\
sour fog
the dash is the most important thing on your mirror
def agree
native blade
Snow Burst's range is insane, damn
stone rune
yeah
mint coral
now pull off the ultimate gamble and get heroic rd
mint coral
just dont take a call
or do it if you wanna take second wind in case haste refuses to appear
stone rune
billowing strength:
native blade
or do it if you wanna take second wind in case haste refuses to appear
I will do that but I meant for a heroic replacement for Rush Delivery
mint coral
only way you get heroic hermes is through eurydice
non cores cant be replaced
and iirc rare crop doesnt target hermes
high island
That's correct.
Only way to upgrade Lord Hermes boons to Heroic is through Ambrosia Delight from Eurydice.
The only boons you can get an exchange for are the four priority slots: Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash.
native blade
only way you get heroic hermes is through eurydice
Welp... I used up my 'Dice roll on getting an epic RD.
latent moon
You can't reroll eury unless you save scum lol
rustic falcon
question: does your duo boon chances go down with each duo you find from Gods
stone rune
wdym
rustic falcon
wdym
like if i were to get a Duo boon does that decrease the chances for me to find another duo boon for the entirety of that run or does it just stay the same
rustic falcon
oh
stone rune
because if yoh pick jp an aphro boon and have two aph duos open
you might get the wrong duo
but if uou do and you take it next time the only duo eill be the one you want
mint coral
thats why you dont open other duos than the one you want
rustic falcon
wait so theoretically max amount of duo a round you can get is 8 duos if you are lucky and have the requirements unlocked
rustic falcon
thats why you dont open other duos than the one you want
cant do that if rng exists and forces me to take a god
rustic falcon
but 4 god pool
stone rune
you can force
rustic falcon
oh
rustic falcon
oh yeah
stone rune
also 4 choose 2 is 6
rustic falcon
2 of them are like demeter cast
mint coral
there is also the odd one like curse of drowning that blocks mirage shot
mint coral
you could technically get all legendaries in 1 run tho
except hermes cuz you have to choose one
rustic falcon
how does hermes legendary affect festive fog
oh wait it probably makes the cast come back to you after festive fog ends
i am dumb
high island
like if i were to get a Duo boon does that decrease the chances for me to find a...
The chance of getting any Duo Boon from those two gods naturally decreases if you take one out of the pool. But the chance of getting a specific Duo Boon goes up if you take any of the others out of the pool.
rustic falcon
why does poseidon have the huge catch as a legendary boon
sour fog
Cause it's awesome
mint coral
cuz fishing its legendary
high island
They added fishing for fun and having a boon for it seemed like fun, so they made that.
rustic falcon
lol
i accidently took chirons gold pouch dam
i just wanted to talk to him
this was a great run
native blade
Nice
mint coral
damn didnt know chiron was added as a boss
stone rune
so real
high island
And then Cheron, I think, is the name of that Centaur.
solar vault
yup sounds right to me
rustic falcon
if calls charge based on the amounts of hit why does it feel like your call charges the fastest with the fists and not lucifer
or is it just me
stone rune
well
luci should be fast
but it's hit volume
i mean
i know thats part of it
which is why hestia sucks at building call
rustic falcon
wdym by hit volume
stone rune
faster hitting aspects charge faster
mint coral
what do you have on luci atk at the moment
rustic falcon
zeus
latent moon
call is also charged by how much damage you do and how much damage you take
rustic falcon
with demeter call
latent moon
amount of hits is a bigger factor tho
stone rune
dem call
stone rune
call is also charged by how much damage you do and how much damage you take
yeah i figured because you can actually get a dad call or two in with hestia in dad
rustic falcon
dem call <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
thats the only thing she offered to me that was good and i didnt wanna waste my rerolls
rustic falcon
what
high island
I think Demeter's Aid is pretty good if you're not speedrunning. Not my first choice from her, though.
rustic falcon
oh i meant to say "good" as in fulfilling requirements for duo i was going for
rustic falcon
ice wine and scantiliating something from zeus duo
stone rune
scintillating feast?
rustic falcon
yea
stone rune
are you on stygian
rustic falcon
no? i think? i dont know mirror names i have the one thing that gives 3 cast things
stone rune
oh
mint coral
thats infernal
stone rune
that probably works
stygian can be better if you get more stones on dio cast because you dont have to wait for fog to go away
but less consistent
rustic vale
Stygian is better for trippy flare
rustic vale
It is more consistent by a lot
stone rune
ok dont listen to me then
rustic vale
When I said trippy flare I meant trippy flare and trippy shot
mint coral
is not their main source of dmg so is fine either way tbh
rustic vale
both
mint coral
is still triple bomb luci after all
rustic falcon
stygian can be better if you get more stones on dio cast because you dont have t...
ohh i did not know that i should do that next time i do dio cast build then cuz i never use the other mirror options much
rustic vale
It doesn’t change based on which one it is
stone rune
It is more consistent by a lot
dont you need more stones
rustic falcon
was it hermes that has 2 different legendary depending on the mirror for cast
or was it based on dash
mint coral
for cast
rustic vale
dont you need more stones
Trippy gives you consistent stones then you just find more from chaos and wells
rustic falcon
yeah i still need abysmal cast legendary
stone rune
Trippy gives you consistent stones then you just find more from chaos and wells
just get the boons imo
mint coral
infernal has greater recovery (once they drop the come back asap) bad news gives +50% cast dmg if no cast lodged (but bugged so its actually global dmg)
greater recall
rustic vale
since you can be left for a while with no stones due to trippy stealing them
stone rune
trippy shot should simply immediately drop stone on impact
high island
Infernal Soul is more reliable on Trippy Shot/Flare. Stygian Soul is still overall the better choice, though, since there's a pretty good chance you'll find at least 1 Grasp in your run actually. But you'll have some very sad runs here and there.
On another note, my instinct is going for Snow Burst first is more valuable than going for Ice Wine. 
rustic falcon
i think this is a dumb question but does posiedon aspect sword do anything for dio cast?
high island
Yeah.
stone rune
makes number
high island
You get the bonus Cast damage.
rustic falcon
oh
high island
+50% at Lv.5.
stone rune
not lodging tho
rustic vale
On another note, my instinct is going for Snow Burst first is more valuable than...
👍👍👍👍
rustic falcon
but it doesnt recover the cast
rustic falcon
fr
stone rune
you dislodge the stone from the fog
rain merlin
most fun weapon aspects?
rustic vale
most fun weapon aspects?
Subjective
rustic falcon
the safest weapon aspect i think is beo and not dying is fun for me
high island
rain merlin
Subjective
obviously lol, im asking for opinions
stone rune
obviously lol, im asking for opinions
HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
mint coral
obviously lol, im asking for opinions
rama
and zag shield but thats mainly cuz designs
rustic falcon
i like zeus shields design
rustic vale
Try not to list every aspect in the game challenge: impossible
stone rune
no
rustic vale
None of the bows are ranged weapons wdym
rain merlin
they are if you dont play for max dps
stone rune
bow is actually a\
rain merlin
and charging attacks overall is kinda boring to me, i prefer good ol' sword
idk tho
i gotta try more weapons
stone rune
HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
rain merlin
i havent even unlocked all yet
rustic falcon
i used to only play bows ranged before i found out how to really play them playing bows max range is not fun was my least favorite weapon but now they not that bad for me
rustic vale
I’ve found fun in all the weapons/aspects and have a really hard time picking favourites
rain merlin
also aspect of poseidon looks so cool but cast builds are so stale
stone rune
fists:
rustic vale
cast builds != stale
stone rune
also aspect of poseidon looks so cool but cast builds are so stale
a lot of people would say cast builds are really fun
i would not
i think they suck
but a lot of people would
rain merlin
which casts tho cuz like
rain merlin
only cast i have fun using is the slicing one
mint coral
meme beams
rain merlin
beam kinda bad for clearing encounters tho
mint coral
crush shot is just satisfying
rustic vale
beam kinda bad for clearing encounters tho
is why they’re called meme beams
stone rune
crush shot poseidon funny
rain merlin
im early in the game
mint coral
it is
high island
I think my second favorite aspect after Hera recently is Zag Bow.
rain merlin
i unlocked about half the aspects
stone rune
prob go to #h1-for-new-players
rain merlin
and i beat the game twice so far
once on heat 0 once on heat 1
both with aspect of nemesis
stone rune
my first clear was with nem and i dont think i specialed once
high island
Optimizing charge timings to hit breakpoints perfectly is fun.
rain merlin
what are breakpoints
stone rune
damage needed to 1 hit enemy
rustic vale
damage needed to 1 hit enemy
twin/triple, “1 hit”
rain merlin
idk bows seem boring to me
stone rune
or
rain merlin
its just a bunch of arrows
stone rune
does it count as a breakpoint if it's 2 hit
rain merlin
not even a cool gimmick
stone rune
but optimising for 2hit
mint coral
its just a bunch of arrows
big numbers are satisfying
rain merlin
idk to me the thing that matters is how smooth it feels
and charging attacks dont feel smooth
rustic vale
and charging attacks dont feel smooth
Do you dash strike?
rustic vale
Hmm
high island
does it count as a breakpoint if it's 2 hit
Yes. If you're going for 2-hit kill with the same attack type on an enemy, then the breakpoints are 50% HP. But 2-hit breakpoint can also be, for example, you need x amount of damage with the attack in order to finish them off with 1 Tidal Dash after that.
mint coral
have you played with flurry shot?
rustic vale
Have you ever used flurry shot
rain merlin
rn my favs are sword then fists then spear then shield then gun then bow
not favs
just
in order
from fav to least fav
mint coral
ye
rustic vale
Yes
mint coral
chiron moment
rustic vale
chiron is pretty bad till level 4 and 5
rain merlin
thats alot of titan blood
can someone give me a fun cast to build around
i tried some and it was meh
rustic vale
It’s decent at level 4 and 5 I wouldn’t go out of my way for it
rain merlin
i wanna use aspect of poseidon
rustic vale
i tried some and it was meh
Which aspect?
high island
@stone rune and then in the same way... if 1 Attack + 1 Tidal Dash doesn't kill the enemy, then maybe 1 Attack + 1 Tidal Dash + wall-slam from the knockback will kill. So you'd try to aim for that when possible. Because if you don't hit that breakpoint by getting the wall-slam as well, you'd need to add another action in order to kill that enemy.
latent moon
homie chose the 2nd worst one lmao
latent moon
oh
rustic vale
Building for lightning phalanx or slicing shot
latent moon
beowulf gaming
rain merlin
i wanna make poseidon work
rustic vale
not the weapon
Yeah but which aspect it is changes what I’d say
stone rune
what
rustic vale
lightning huh
Phalanx shot + lightning phalanx duo, not lightning shot
rain merlin
oh alr
rain merlin
actually phalanx shot is pretty cool
mint coral
giant deflect hitbox my beloved
rain merlin
thats why i like putting athena special on sword
big deflect
especially with some hermes faster special
high island
@stone rune of course you might be able to hit that same breakpoint with a different sequence of Cast > Attack > Tidal Dash... or maybe even just Cast > Attack. Part of getting faster times is learning optimal Attack sequences for different enemy types at different points in the run and depending on your damage scaling at the time. But I think that probably comes after builds, general mechanics and DPS rotations, and spawn manipulation basics.
rustic vale
Best pieces of advice for speedrunners are “just go faster” and “hit the buttons harder, you do more damage that way”
queen sapphire
Quick question, I feel like when I'm doing runs, I'm like never getting epic boons or anything, like I will get almost all commons or rares. Is there a special strat to get better ones or is it just cross ur fingers and hope for the best. I have the mirror completely upgraded with the one that helps the rarity chance not the duo chance one
If that makes sense I can't explain stuff well
rustic vale
Gods’ Pride should be making epic boons pretty common
Could just be bad rng tbh
But complaining about rng in #h1-discussion always seems to fix like 87% of my rng issues so I’d suggest that
queen sapphire
I gotcha, like last run I literally rerolled my first boon of the run twice and got all commons and one rare
I think my rng is just terrible
rustic vale
I’m used to God singular whoops
queen sapphire
I came in here and I'm realizing how little I actually know about this game🤣 I have like 170ish escape attempts or whatever and plenty of hours in the game and I genuinely feel like Im ascending reading some of this stuff🤣
rustic vale
I’m at like 500+ escape attempts and am still new
queen sapphire
Yeah that's crazy lol
Like my go to start has been explosive launcher Athena special but like I'm realizing there's a lot better stuff out there
rustic vale
Exploding launcher is good
high island
I’m used to God singular whoops
In your defense, the first time I correctly called them Gods' Pride and Gods' Legacy instead of God's was July 1, 2021 lol.
queen sapphire
Yeah haha usually my go to
stone rune
I gotcha, like last run I literally rerolled my first boon of the run twice and ...
hypermodded momet
rustic vale
it’s just you still want charged skewer once you find it
And aphrodite would provide a bigger damage boost then athena
rustic vale
Sounds about right
queen sapphire
Oh I gotcha I'll try for that then. I usually just did Athena for the deflect
high island
I came in here and I'm realizing how little I actually know about this game🤣 I ...
So you're saying you're new. 
hardy spear
arte special my beloved
queen sapphire
Yeah nyaa its coming to my attention how new I actually am
rustic vale
Nyaanyaa definitely already has like 8000 hours in Hades II: full release
queen sapphire
I definitely need to find some new fun weapon/boon combos and play them so I don't get bored with the same one
high island
There's a great guide pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat that goes over a lot of the meta builds for every aspect + some good off-meta builds.
Also check out the Monthly Challenges pinned there while you're at it.
queen sapphire
Oh ok cool thanks!
high island
Unfortunate that victory screens don't show escape attempts. I have no idea at what point in time I had 170 escape attempts.
And going through the in-game log takes way too long because you have to go through every single run lol.
stone rune
I definitely need to find some new fun weapon/boon combos and play them so I don...
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rustic vale
Unfortunate that victory screens don't show escape attempts. I have no idea at w...
Just go by when you had 170 escapes
stoic spoke
hey i need some help, i unlocked hades locked heart but i cant gift him any more after?? is that normal
rustic vale
you have a 100% win rate right Nyaanyaa
high island
you have a 100% win rate right Nyaanyaa
How rude.
stone rune
hey i need some help, i unlocked hades locked heart but i cant gift him any more...
someone said fully quit out and then launch
idk if that works
stoic spoke
ill give it a try
stone rune
if not, do a run
high island
My win rate is a wonderful single-digit percent. 100% win rates are for cowards who fear a good challenge. 
stoic spoke
that fixed it thanks
high island
Just go by when you had 170 escapes
52 WR was apparently clear #112.
stone rune
52
high island
That was probably way over 170 escape attempts already at the time lol.
July 19, 2020.
So attempt 170 was somewhere between Dec 25, 2019 and Jul 19, 2020.
rustic vale
52 WR was apparently clear #112.
💪
feral belfry
🦾
rustic falcon
wait chaos legendary boon is only a tier 2boon
does that make chaos legendary the hardest to get then because other legendaries being tier 3 you can get that legendary quicker because less things the gods will offer
latent moon
well chaos is also the hardest because he's not guaranteed to show up lol
for chaos defiance all you need is just another chaos boon
rustic falcon
yeah fair
sour fog
also you the chaos boon pool is always huge as you can get repeats
mint coral
hermes can be super hard too
rustic falcon
yea hermes is hard but cant you also fullfill one of the req with just his keepsake
mint coral
considering he has lower legendary chance than the olympians
rustic falcon
most of the time i have only gotten hermes legendary when i have his keepsake equipped
solar vault
I feel like hermes legendary is the most frequent legendary I get
probably because I rarely hunt for legendaries, but I take flurry cast a lot and styx hermes
mint coral
i barely see it cuz i dont even have a reason to take his requisites
high island
also you the chaos boon pool is always huge as you can get repeats
That has no effect at all on your chance to get Defiance. Legendary is rolled before any other Chaos boons.
stone rune
i rarely see hermes legendary and a lot of the time i end up taking plume into aspho
sour fog
That has no effect at all on your chance to get Defiance. Legendary is rolled be...
ohhh okay, good to know
stone rune
so does rama not benefit from fiery or do you take it to onehit spawning enemies
high island
I wouldn't take Fiery Presence on Rama.
woeful trout
probably because I rarely hunt for legendaries, but I take flurry cast a lot and...
Wait flurry cast is a pre req?
stone rune
you need
flurry csat or quick reload for the infernal one
auto reload for stygian
or you can use plume
woeful trout
Plume automatically opens up in the pool?
I did not know Hermes had legendary requirements
stone rune
yeah
infernal soul you get your bloodstones sent back immediately when they drop
stygian makes you deal 50% more damage to enemies without cast in them
it says 50% more cast damage but it's bugged
woeful trout
stygian makes you deal 50% more damage to enemies without cast in them
Wait isn’t Stygian soul like just better then for non cast builds
Since you have the chance to get a lot better boon
stone rune
yes
well
that's not why
because that's a waste of a hermes boon given boiling blood exists
it's better because hermes has more infernal exclusive boons than stygian exclusive
woeful trout
So it dilutes the pool less
stone rune
(1 more)
yeah
because most aspects just reset for hyper delivery
some aspects can take cope dashes
woeful trout
I love it when games have very minuscule advantages to things that seemingly don’t matter at first
Like this
stone rune
i dont think its fair they gave splash dash higher damage than pash dash
latent moon
I love it when games have very minuscule advantages to things that seemingly don...
taking cluster first makes rocket bomb next hammer more likely lmao
by removing 1 hammer from the pool
latent moon
dont
stone rune
but non clocket cluster is :c
stone rune
the only application for it would be like lernie heads if good rng
good rng as in they dont move
latent moon
wave maker heads dont move off of spawn
stone rune
but otherwise it sucks
latent moon
they sit back in the lava, make waves, then moves
head slam lernie head slams immediately
stone rune
i dont understand why my lernies are so slow though
latent moon
lernie isn't a fast fight to begin with
stone rune
they're always at least 30 seconds
latent moon
i think like top end lernie fights are ~30 seconds?
latent moon
or like 20ish
stone rune
so they just universally suck?
latent moon
but like it's really not that fast tbh
latent moon
because you have to wait for spawns twice and then 2 invul bubbles
stone rune
it takes so much mechanical skill to do them properly
latent moon
and yeah you dont have a lot of aoe
stone rune
zyru was telling me how you can get the armor with splash dash if you pom it enough
but also like y ou have to hit each head in the right order
latent moon
with hestia you try to one shot each head as soon as it comes out i think
stone rune
because specialing once is just a waste since unless you have really good special damage it wont one hit armor or health
so you have to shoot heads and focus your special on one at a time
im considering turning on aim at cursor for it
latent moon
aren't you already point blank because tdash armor strip
latent moon
in order to strip the armor you're already on top of them
stone rune
no
like
hold on
let me draw
ok nvm
so like
special will knock out
what
feels like 60% or armor or health
and shot will knock out armor if fiery boost in 1 hit and will 1 hit health
so in order for your specials to ever be useful
you have to special one head at a time while focusing shots on the other heads
stone rune
it sucks
cause to do it optimally you're splash dashing one, rocketing another, and shooting the rest
which is really really hard
latent moon
i mean you're really close to a sub7 anyways so any optimization you can get down will bring you under
stone rune
i mean you're really close to a sub7 anyways so any optimization you can get dow...
omg i would have gotten it if i didnt screw up p2p2 so badly
latent moon
big mood
stone rune
i was looking it over
i missed a whole clocket volley
shot it into nowhere
and my cast didnt lodge
latent moon
i had a 7:00.22 because i missed a volley lol
stone rune
i was panicking so hard
stone rune
its been like 8 hours of grinding
i messed up my homework one day cause i did it during pill time
latent moon
lmao rip
stone rune
701 really is annoying tho bc you know if even one extra thing went just a little better youd have got it
if i hadnt gotten instadarknessed
if the rd was purple
if i got one more miniboss
if i didnt let a satyr spawn
latent moon
a 1 sec save could be from literally anything lmao
latent moon
dashing towards exit as soon as you kill the last enemy
latent moon
if you did it like 2 more times it might've been a sub7 lol
latent moon
exactly
high island
Since you have the chance to get a lot better boon
You get better Lord Hermes odds with Stygian Soul, but Infernal Soul can speed things up for some aspects especially in Tartarus.
For example on Zag Bow early on, I might need Cast + Power Shot to kill some enemies because just a Power Shot isn't enough.
And Cast > Dash-Strike can be a lot faster than doing two Dash-Strikes.
It's not much on just a single enemy, but it can add up.
Nemesis has Special > Dash-Strike x2 as the go-to rotation. But Cast > Dash-Strike x2 actually comes out faster and can save time early on.
Can also do like Cast > Special > Dash-Strike x2 as another sequence.
If you have Stygian Soul, you can't really do that.
high island
what is up with the epic lunge range
Chaos.
woeful trout
and unlike other multipliers its multiplicative with everything else
stone rune
not bad but not as extremely amazinng
stoic spoke
Is there any practical purpose to giving ambrosia to characters like orpheus or hypnos?
high island
Mirage Shot is strong on Blizzard Shot. Just get Blizzard Shot first though.
high island
Is there any practical purpose to giving ambrosia to characters like orpheus or ...
Well, you can't progress their story if you don't.
stoic spoke
Oh ik i meant like do they give you anything besides completion?
high island
Zag always says his gifts are unconditional and that they don't have to give anything in return. 
stoic spoke
ahh ok thanks
bright warren
What’s the monthly challenge thing?
rustic vale
It’s pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat
bright warren
Oh sorry
woeful trout
What other casts in this game have funny duo boons
Does scintillating feast get boosted by bonus cast damage
Or no
rustic vale
Does scintillating feast get boosted by bonus cast damage
No
woeful trout
Can you stack icy wine and scintillating feast
signal aspen
yeah
rustic vale
What other casts in this game have funny duo boons
Slicing shot: Hunting blades
Phalanx shot: lightning phalanx, parting shot(kind of)
Tidal Shot: blizzard shot can be funny, and so is mirage shot
Meme beams relies on crystal clarity
rustic vale
Stygian will be more reliable damage if you get more casts from elsewhere
woeful trout
Oh hey I got all the god keepsakes 3 starred
Nice
Rarity doesn’t really do a lot with a lot of pons right
stone rune
let me get that thing
rustic vale
Rarity matters for some boons and not for others
stone rune
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rustic vale
and poms matter for some boons and not for others
rustic vale
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1078523668684083281/o...
That is a singluar case
stone rune
bro
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woeful trout
How is it for trippy shot
rustic vale
Broken only on flare
stone rune
stone rune
oh
only beo
wow
that's like
weird
what is it with flares and being so broken
half of the hades bugs doc is dedicated to flares
woeful trout
Beowulf try not to be broken challenge (in both meanings)
high island
Indeed.
stone rune
using boiling blood is a cast build right
rustic vale
Def
woeful trout
Dio cast is funny
With both ice and scintillating
No damage hades
(Technically acorn carried but still)
livid swift
YOO I JUST FINISHED MY THIRD SUCCESSFUL HADES FIGHT ON 1HP
Only 1 death defiance too
latent moon
gaming
glossy coral
Maxed out as in you got all the aspects (I'm stupid)
woeful trout
Yes and all max level
stone rune
"dio is actually laughably terrible compared to like, literally any other god for chiron. "but i can instantly reach max stacks!" so? every subsequent special will be carrying zero added benefit. also "the most efficient" is demonstrably false. you can do like 3 specials in the time it takes a doom (with impending doom) to pop. add in dire misfortune, and you can easily have like 900 damage dooms. will dio do 900 damage in 2 seconds? no, and its not even close. artemis crits and aphrodite's sheer power will produce more dps. the only way dio will out perform the others is if you press special once, and then run away and ignore the enemy for 4 seconds. i mean sure, play like a coward and bleed them slowly, but you dont have to take all that time running like a coward if they're just dead. also you can just take doom on special for the regular bow and apply it to multiple enemies and clear rooms more efficiently than trying to force max stacks of hangover on single targets."
rustic vale
"dio is actually laughably terrible compared to like, literally any other god fo...
Reddit?
rustic vale
high island
the only way dio will out perform the others is if you press special once, and then run away and ignore the enemy for 4 seconds.
They're sooooooo close to getting the point.
Sooooo close.
prime obsidian
so i bought the physical version of Hades despite owning the digital, the question is, should i unseal my game now or just continue playing the digital version? hmm
rustic vale
Dang
high island
Follow your heart!
rustic vale
Dio outperforms if you just let it do it’s thing and avoid taking damage yourself?
It’s not like specialing locks you into one place for far too long
So
Popping 1 special and running is 190000* better
stone rune
ignoring the enemy while dio does the damage when ignoring the enemy while ares does the damage walks in the room:
rustic vale
ignoring the enemy while dio does the damage when ignoring the enemy while ares ...
Ares doesn’t last
Neither does it get up to 900 damage in a scenario where dio wouldn’t get hugeeee
high island
It’s not like specialing locks you into one place for far too long
I don't think that's a problem tbh.
Just the DPS is lacking.
stone rune
relentless swift flourish lmfao
rustic vale
concentrated epic swift flourish 🧠
high island
The problem isn't being locked in place or whatever.
stone rune
certainly doesnt help
high island
certainly doesnt help
It's really safe ngl.
The problem is Chiron needs to do like Dash-Attack > Special to kill things that Zag Bow or Hera kill in one shot.
high island
Or Dash-Attack > 2x Special when Zag Bow kills in two shots.
stone rune
or special 50 million times to kill boss
high island
oh yeah why does zagbow have less crit than nem
Nemesis costs 15 Titan Blood, and you need to use the Special to get the buff.
stone rune
was the rotation at that point special dstrike dstrike
also is titan blood really a factor in strength?
it'd make sense if sword just needed more % for dps
high island
Yeah.
high island
I think they probably didn't expect Chaos to drop that much when they nerfed it lol.
stone rune
i feel like it shouldnt be that much of a factor
stone rune
like level sure
high island
I think it was haelian who asked Amir for an explanation for why Zag Sword is so bad.
stone rune
but i dont make game so i trust them
high island
And Amir laughed and said "What do you expect for 5 Titan Blood?"
stone rune
i expect 60% base damage increase‼️
high island
but i dont make game so i trust them
I definitely trust their balance decisions more than mine lmao.
I tried to help Lady Demeter's boons not be bad and be more on a level with the other gods... if PonyWarrior's adjustable balance mod still has the changes I suggested for her, she's pretty broken in that lol.
latent moon
"dio is actually laughably terrible compared to like, literally any other god fo...
what's the point of this isn't the thing rama vs chiron why are they defending chiron like that lmao
stone rune
someone said chiron advantage is funny dio build
they said it’s terrible
i said it’s not
they wrote that
latent moon
bruh lmao
"play like a coward" yeah sure it gets good results
like you max stack them and leave them and deal with the rest
chiron has bad aoe so you want minimum specials per enemy
All the % based specials need conc volley
And ares needs dire misfortune
stone rune
does ares even do damage
latent moon
I mean yeah it's kinda chunky
But needs dire misfortune
It's like what an extra 70 doom damage at least?
Not bad tbh
And then get relentless volley
It's just not consistent
I think I tried to do that with aprho atk for CoL
Was mediocre
stone rune
I think I tried to do that with aprho atk for CoL
your first issue is col
stone rune
what do i go for now
idek
sub6?
i mean
that would take
like
sub655
and then sub652
and then sub650
and so on
probably months
but is that like the next progression
latent moon
For speedrunning kinda
Sub 6:30 is the next "goal" I guess
If you want you can do other weapons/aspects
All aspects 32, all weapons sub10 or whatever
stone rune
i do Not want to use fists or spear
rain merlin
it kinda annoys me how strong bows are
cuz i dont wanna limit myself to only some weapons but they kinda ruin the difficulty for me
cyan jolt
Do you need to trade resources/buy them in styx shop in order to 100% the game,or you can you collect them all just from the bounties?
mint coral
Ik for blood you are short by like 20? With just bounties/prophecies
void vigil
for ambrosia you should have plenty spare even after everything granted you dont trade like all of it, but you can trade up iirc
i only started trading it after i was finished with bounties, so
lapis lantern
What Cast would you think is the best for Aspect of Poseidon?
gray apex
What Cast would you think is the best for Aspect of Poseidon?
I like Crush Shot. Idk if there's a best for all contexts but Crush Shot or Phalanx Shot is what you'll usually see. They have high base damage and good pom scaling, pretty solid aoe and one has Deflect and the other has Weak, both are strong effects.
True Shot is not that bad, it lacks aoe and the crit rate is not amazing but it works with a couple things and some poms
peak carbon
How in the hell do you beat redacted with guan yu
gray apex
How in the hell do you beat redacted with guan yu
Use the Special, try to get Charged Skewer and mostly ignore the spin. Your dps rotation is Special > x2 Dash-strikes
peak carbon
Right, thank you
It's just very frustrating cos I rely on a large health pool to make up for my bad reflexes
gray apex
A spin build can be tough to make work on GY. A Special focused build is actually very safe.
peak carbon
I focused on special and nuthin
I'll just have to farm titan blood and max it out I guess :/
gray apex
Probably
peak carbon
I guess coronacht will be my bestie cos I barely used it and it's strong
gray apex
The HP penalty is too big at low levels
peak carbon
Honestly
I got 5, 6 centaur hearts, collar of Cerberus maxed, bonus ljfe gain with Aphrodite and two extra HP from chaos
125 health, gone in a blink of an eye when fighting redacted
mint coral
Im gonna say no but my spearpoint is lvl 1 so what do i know
rustic falcon
how to play hades with the time limit heat on
i am gonna die to the time limit before i can beat hades
maybe i just suck
ok nvm i beat hades in 2 mins
nice
high island
You take 5 damage per second when you're out of time, so you won't die immediately.
brisk trail
so I went and got all of the aspects except for hidden aspects
finally escaped w/ all 6 weps
got 10 titan blood
spent most of them on new aspects
then I got the diamonds or whatever from unlocking all aspects
that was cool
silver mica
You take 5 damage per second when you're out of time, so you won't die immediate...
Damn I always thought it was just immediate kill 😭
latent moon
Imagine having 300 hp left but getting instakilled because of td
silver mica
The days of me having no speed
I still don't have speed but I'm not taking 7 minutes in Tartarus cause I forgot to pause anymore 😭
rustic falcon
love it when you reroll a Gods boon and you get the duo you were looking for
north shell
great feeling ngl
silver mica
Me when no pos aphro duo :')
north shell
me when i get me in tartarus 
mint coral
tartarus ME is always satisfying