h1-discussion

[high island]

You guys where[sic] sleeping on Zeus.

Go, right now, and play Zeus, build for sea storm duo, with the special as Poseidon with the extra knock back damage boon... youll thank me later, when youre[sic] build is killing Redacted's first phase with one special attack

[stone rune]

LMAO

you get to proc sea storm one (1) time before they're out of range

so op

[high island]

@brisk trail, do you think this is the key for 64 unmodded unseeded? Courtesy of a redditor.

[stone rune]

doesnt sea storm do less dmg than like

[high island]

Build can apparently beat Hades's first phase in one Special.

[stone rune]

one pom on thunder flourish

[stone rune]

what post was htis

[high island]

You're probably underselling it a bit lol. Tempest Flourish has good % damage and Sea Storm adds 40 flat on top.

[stone rune]

i mean

wouldn't the extra knock back definitely be anti synergy

because even great % like idk 160% will still be less than uh

level 3 grey flourish

and then knockback is just making you proc it less

[high island]

Who knows.

My response:

Go count the number of Beowulf runs in top 20, then go look for Zeus. (It's somewhere on page 2.) https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Any_Heat

[limber ether]

lmao

[latent moon]

Bruh lmao

[stone rune]

jesus christ

room rng is crushing

numbskulls and unarmored witches

i'd honestly rather have like cast hermes and seeking flurry fire or something rather than this garbo room rng

[high island]

Some Numbskulls rooms can be super fast. Other times they spawn one at a time lol.

[latent moon]

the one that has 4 of the numbskull spawners is really nice for a room lol

[stone rune]

everyone says hestia is bad in ely but that's the only biome i don't feel like i get utterly screwed in

[latent moon]

it's bad compared to tart and aspho

[stone rune]

ive never really had an excruciatingly bad ely

but tart can suck and aspho can be sooooooooooooooooo bad

[latent moon]

well the thing is that hestia is one of the fastest aspects for clearing tart and aspho lol

[stone rune]

i feel like im never meeting aspho breakpoints

i take shackle and stuff and i have all the boosts but things still dont get downed in one hit

[latent moon]

so it's just (supposed to be) fast and a good chunk of your time save will be there

[latent moon]

iirc it was about 130% bonus from boons

to meet break points

[stone rune]

i have like 90 from dash strike and shackle

[latent moon]

isn't shackle 100

how'd you get 90

[stone rune]

90 dash stirke

100 shackle

[latent moon]

oh

should be one shots then

[stone rune]

what tf

did i just get like a 50 second lernie

[latent moon]

lmao rip

[stone rune]

also i hate hermes so much

[latent moon]

just get the good boons

[stone rune]

i do

after 3 rerolls

every hyper sprint ive had recently has taken 3 rolls

no call

[latent moon]

do you ever get offered rare dashes

because could just take that instead of rolling for hyper sprint lol

[stone rune]

i get dashes a lot

it's a huge cope

[latent moon]

nah

it's a lot better than you think

[stone rune]

i asked in speedcord

people say to roll rare dashes

[latent moon]

oh really lmao

i mean i think it's fine unless you're trying to get a really low time

[stone rune]

cause that damage is super helpful

[latent moon]

rolling more than once kinda sucks ngl

[stone rune]

yeah it does

but no having hyper delivery sucks more

[latent moon]

your goal rn is sub7 right?

[stone rune]

yes

[latent moon]

i mean i guess rd is necessary then

but also welcome to speedrunning

where you reset on hermes

[stone rune]

i reset for sub2 tart and like 340

[latent moon]

or just know the run isn't gonna end well because of hermes

for hestia that sounds reasonable yeah lmao

[stone rune]

i reset hermes annoying

i think swift strike should be banned from the game

[latent moon]

lmao

just use hypermodded

[stone rune]

how

[latent moon]

uh

it's under someone's github

here

i forgot to take a look at it when i got home lmao

oh i should mention that hypermodded isn't leaderboard legal yet

but it's just something that exists if you want to see how fast you could go with actual good rng

iirc it removes certain enemies as well

[stone rune]

erm

unable to read data moment?

[latent moon]

idk i dont have it downloaded lmao

[stone rune]

oh well

sounded fun

[stoic spoke]

damn my game just crashed halfway through the hades fight 💀

and it sent me back to the start of the game

very cool

wow ok i didnt even get to keep any of the stuff i picked up that run

[void vigil]

check out #h1-tech-fixes to recover the run

[stone rune]

mirage shot and sweet nectar in tart lmfao

hopefully sub7 tomorrow

[feral belfry]

Speed

[stone rune]

ok so this might be a weird question

but for the bombers in tart

what direction do you stand to meg

i've never been able to hit them both

[high island]

You just dash between them and look diagonally. Like... they're standing diagonally, and you look perpendicular to them. Get a little closer to the bottom one than the other one or otherwise he'll jump away.

[stone rune]

i try that

but it ends up like

not doing that

well

i'll give it another go tmr

[high island]

Dunno if KBM does it different in any way.

[feral belfry]

Am I reading the spreadsheet wrong or does Nemesis have a higher heat record on unmodded than modded?

[latent moon]

might be possible

arthur unmodded has a higher heat record than modded but it's not on the spreadsheet lol

also unmodded rama 50 heat has a faster time than modded rama 50 heat by almost 2 minutes

so it's not out of the realm for unmodded to be better than modded

[stone rune]

lmfao what

[latent moon]

yeah

[stone rune]

do people just not run rama 50 modded

[latent moon]

unmodded 50 wr is 7:30

[stone rune]

or was it a freak of naturr

[latent moon]

modded wr is like 9:27 or something

[stone rune]

dream rng

[latent moon]

freak of nature

ocaml did both unmodded and modded 50 heat

[feral belfry]

Damn

[latent moon]

actually 2nd place unmodded is faster than 1st place modded lol

[stone rune]

lmfao what

2 freaks of nature

[latent moon]

9:10 eris unmodded
9:24 rama modded

well it's not by much tbf

the 7:30 is a freak of nature

[high island]

I do unmodded, but I only run Rama high heat anymore to compete with Toffel. Still waiting for her to beat my 51.

[stone rune]

does eris take dc2 50

[high island]

It's an option.

Oh, you were asking about Rama speedruns at 50.

50 Heat speedruns aren't super popular in the first place anyway.

[stone rune]

also i think i wasted all my rng dropping my pb and now its gonna take weeks to lose the last 8 seconds i need

thats how that works right

[high island]

So your question is kinda like "do people not run anything but Hestia in boonless mirrorless?" when there's like 3 people who did boonless mirrorless lately and 2 of them were only using Hestia.

[stone rune]

gotta say i see why

[latent moon]

unmodded rama run really started with twin shot -> key -> epic aphro atk -> chaos lmao

[stone rune]

lmfao what

[latent moon]

into gems into midshop

bouldy c10

[high island]

What was your last non-PB run?

[stone rune]

uhhh

my last finished run was my pb lmfao

i got it like 5 hours ago

and since then its been reset hell

[latent moon]

2:02 tart leave at 50 heat lmfao homie's faster than my beo anyheat tart leave time

[high island]

I see 8:05 before your 7:07 PB.

[stone rune]

ag leadt i think

because hermes hates me

[high island]

Now consider saving just a single second in every room by playing more like Croven and less like jazz.

[stone rune]

ive had great chaoses though

not great chaos boons

but a lot of chaos entrances

and they all end up being like 40 special

or if im lucky some dash strike

[high island]

Any time I feel bad about RNG in my runs, I remind myself that Croven would've probably been faster by a minute on the same seed and get back to practicing.

[stone rune]

unfortunately i am not croven

i shall strive to be zyru though

my hero

[high island]

Become Croven (jazz remix).

Or Zyruvias (jazz remix) then.

[stone rune]

it took me a bit to get that one

[high island]

lol

[stone rune]

one day ill achieve sub5

but until then ill stick to sub7

[high island]

I've recently read Artemis' Aid and Aphrodite's Aid are the best for DPS.

Maybe that's the key.

[stone rune]

Reddit is a bastion of knowledge

[high island]

On an unnamed public forum.

[stone rune]

oh my god

[high island]

Oh no, I have a stalker.

[stone rune]

its honestly impressive

[high island]

Thanks for protecting me from my stalker, Dyno.

[stone rune]

this is like septupling down st this point

[stone rune]

wow it seems like these boons are amazing. im going to go try them out with 64 heat unmodded unseeded

[high island]

I like the switch from "they're strong because 50s dad fight" to essentially "30s dad fight? who cares, I don't need carrying in boss fights."

[stone rune]

i wish i could get 30s dads

would make sub7 so much rasier

[latent moon]

Mood

[stone rune]

cause i usually can pop out of styx by 620

but im always missing clockets or hyper delivery

[latent moon]

How fast is a typical hestia dad fight

[stone rune]

well

im oretty bad at it lmfao

i get what

like 30 to 50

110 on a bad build

[latent moon]

That's what I get on beo lmfao

[stone rune]

clockets is huge

hyper delivery is huger

well

clockets is better than grey delivery

[high island]

Hestia dad fight kinda slow without clockets.

[stone rune]

but i think blue and purple delivery are befger than clockets

[latent moon]

Honestly a 6:20 enter on hestia is a very tight sub7

[stone rune]

one of my pbs was with targ system lmao

[stone rune]

i dont think its even feasible for me

rn i need to focus on cutting my asspho times

thats my worst area

ive had 230 assphos

[latent moon]

Learn spawn manips

Or like

Bs them

[stone rune]

i mean

[latent moon]

I've never learned them I've just bs-ed them all

[stone rune]

i stand in corners a lot

but idk the actual rooms

[latent moon]

Aight that's all you need to do

[stone rune]

actually

i only do that in tart

[high island]

I think in my Nemesis runs a couple weeks ago, I had 1 run that only had 1 "Darkness!" lol.

[stone rune]

by aspho ive forgotten

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

[high island]

Which was PB, but also that run had a 3:15 Elysium lmao.

[latent moon]

Staying by the entrance or exit of a room is generally where you wanna stay

[stone rune]

a lot of the time i sit at the exit and then end up clearing towards entrance

[high island]

That probably explains your problems with Asphodel times you mentioned earlier lol.

[stone rune]

begause those god damn wave jumpy guys dont give a silly goose about your position

[high island]

You know that's the opposite direction you wanna go, right?

[stone rune]

wait really

[latent moon]

You clear towards the exit not the other way around lmao

[stone rune]

i thought i wanted to go through the entrance

[high island]

Back to Tartarus?

[stone rune]

i wonder what itd be like to play the game backwards

[high island]

Very short for most people who never make it past dad lol.

[stone rune]

like you start out in dad with your build all set up and you go back through and lose boons over time

[bright warren]

Just wait for hades 2

[stone rune]

the game surprisingly has like a 50% winrate on steam

most singleplayer games struggle to hit that high prrcent for literally launching thte game

[bright warren]

The Xbox achievements have to be lying, how have only 5% of players beat father with a hidden aspect

[stone rune]

hidden aspects require playing the game like more than once lmao

[solar vault]

you'd be surprised at how many people put down games quickly

[bright warren]

Only 15% have killed skelly 15 times

[stone rune]

ok yeah thats weird

thats at like 80% on steam

[bright warren]

Only 7% have beat the main story kinda understandable

Only 40% have cleared Tartarus 😭

[solar vault]

steam percentages just seem to be a lot higher huh

https://steamcommunity.com/stats/1145360/achievements

[high island]

Maybe Steam players dwell on Discord and Xbox players dwell in... other places.

[bright warren]

How have more people unlocked every companion than max every standard keepsake?

[stone rune]

thats a lot easirr

its like

70 runs

[solar vault]

maxing everything takes a while and usually you neglect the bad ones you don't use

[stone rune]

to max each keepsake

[stone rune]

distant memory:

also wdym 7.3% 16 heat

[high island]

I have used that one before, but 'tis only a distant memory now.

[bright warren]

I overall find companions harder since the game hates giving me nectar

[stone rune]

sometimes i forget that this is a small secluded portion of the like millions of people who have played this game

[bright warren]

I wonder if similar to destiny 2 raids, if hades 2 on launch will have a worlds first race

[raven fossil]

heyyy

[solar vault]

this game is eating my brain I glanced at your profile picture and saw artemis 💀

[raven fossil]

it's hades and perse

so not that far tbh

[strong steppe]

Maybe this is because people play offline?

[light void]

force of habit

I came here looking for info about Hades 2, hadn't seen the trailer yet. hype at maximum

[raven fossil]

I have a question but idk where tp ask it

[hardy spear]

probably because it was on gamepass, maybe a lot of people installed it but didnt actually play it

[hardy spear]

just ask here for now

[raven fossil]

So i love hades like a lot of people here and i wanted to make a tabletop roleplay session based on the plot

[hasty owl]

that sounds awesome

maybe every god could be a different class

artemis ranger ares barbarian aphrodite bard?

[raven fossil]

And i was wondering if i could use the art in the game and to make some flyers to get more ppl to play X)

[raven fossil]

Yeah i was more or less thinking about that. Like each character are humans, blessed by one of the gods and like in hades you have bonuses but yoj can also summon the power of the said god to help you

[sour fog]

Lol even then, 25% of players haven't even seen Elysium? That seems like BS to me

[raw herald]

Nah I’d expect about that

Some people just buy the game when it’s on sale and stick it in the growing library of games to play

[raven fossil]

Tales of dead men tell a story about a games to play library so big it swallowed the whole operating system.

There is no escape

Dum dun du dun

[spring knoll]

whoa, filled out all 5 core skills by chamber #7 this run

[gray apex]

Is that supposed to be a good thing

[spring knoll]

just doesn't usually happen for me until Elysium

[gray apex]

Doesn't happen at all for me 🗿

[high island]

I think there are very few aspects who like to fill all 5 slots.

[fair basalt]

i play hades whenever idk what to do

the time is never wasted

[hasty owl]

sometimes i fill all the core slots when duo hunting to reduce other options

bc if you dont have a core boon its p much always gonna be offered

which reduces duo chances from 1/3 to 1/2 essentially

[spring knoll]

my thoughts as well

[hasty owl]

i had an insane run the other day

pos cast on hera bow

got artemis legendary, poseidon legendary, artemis poseidon duo, hermes legendary, and poseidon aphro duo

id never been such a happy caster haha

if ii didnt pick up most core boons in tart/asphodel i wouldn’t have got those tbh

[spring knoll]

😮

if you have curse of drowning with hera bow does it place the pulses around you, or around your target?

that's the Ares+Poseidon one. I generally find it detrimental on range aspects, so I was wondering if Hera bow would make it worthwhile

[mint coral]

Around you is my guess

Beo works like that at least

[latent moon]

Even if it did the pulses at the end of the arrow it's still be bad probably

[silver mica]

Time for my first Guan Yu run in a while

[silver mica]

Lawd my file got corrupted :')

Back now

[steady sierra]

Hades nutz

[silver mica]

BRUH

Missed my pb by 2 seconds

Would have got it faster except for a couple hiccups which idk how to avoid

Namely when I use sword in styx sometimes the attack pushes them outside the walls

Makes cornering enemies somewhat difficult when they can phase through corners

[kindred furnace]

Hello!

Is Hades worth buying? 🙂

[stone rune]

yes

[silver mica]

Yes :)

[timber pivot]

ABSOLUTELY

[kindred furnace]

Okay! :).

I'll get it on the switch

Should I wait for a sale? Or get it at $24.99?

[latent moon]

idk when the next sale is on steam ngl

[crude jacinth]

Switch sales are like never but if u have time sure wait

[latent moon]

my guess would be in a few months at the start of summer

oh you said switch i can read

i've only ever seen switch on sale once and that was when hades 2 was announced

but only for digital version

[crude jacinth]

I think they don’t even do sales for the normal copies anymore

[latent moon]

that's unfortunate

[kindred furnace]

I think it was a month or two ago.

[crude jacinth]

Next might be when early access releases which could be Tmr or in a year or so

[latent moon]

they've said it'd be sometime this year

[stone rune]

really???

nice

[latent moon]

i'm like 80% sure they did

[sour fog]

they said more info would be this year

[rough island]

Damn my build good, i will maybe get thru asphodus ro what it was called

Asphodel?

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/wAg3AQjGOy8
Asepct of Nemesis 45.94% (198 votes)
Aspect of Arthur 54.06% (233 votes)

[rough island]

Or not

Zeus killed me after taking aphrodite over him

[mint coral]

Get rekt - Zeus

[rough island]

Should have choosen zeus and let aphrodite rekt me 😏

[mint coral]

[rough island]

The pain of getting thru meg to make her appear at the pub in your house to bribe her with yellow drink and she just does not

[stoic spoke]

can you use a companion multiple times in a single boss fight?

[latent moon]

no

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1078112344539922524/image.png funny 141

now watch me go into ely at 430

[mint coral]

Discord curse is gonna get you

[stone rune]

jeus

150 aspho

[latent moon]

that's not bad

3:30 leave is very festive

get good hammers

[manic vine]

God I'm having Deja Vu

Chaos boons, all epic, but 2 of them are Maimed.

[stone rune]

602 elysium

[manic vine]

I'm using the fists.

[stone rune]

i think ill just reset

[manic vine]

I think I can live with it though because I have Kinetic Launcher

Should I take Maimed Strike or Pauper's Affluence?

[stone rune]

strike

[manic vine]

Or should I just reroll and cry about it

Ehh screw it

Time to spam specials

[stone rune]

wdym

[manic vine]

I have the fists

[stone rune]

yeah

why cant you attack

[manic vine]

Because I'll get hurt?

[stone rune]

it doesn't kill you

itll juts bring you to 1hp

[manic vine]

It does?

[stone rune]

yeah

[manic vine]

Could have sworn it killed me before

[latent moon]

i would've just continued to practice a decent dad fight

[manic vine]

I should have rerolled.

I regret listening, I really should have rerolled.

[latent moon]

maimed is -hp per atk right

considering it's fists, it def isn't worth it lmao

unless you wanna just spam specials a lot more

[mint coral]

Yeah "dont get hit" kinda hard to apply on ultra melee distance

[latent moon]

also considering how many atks it takes to actually kill lmao

for stuff that hits hard you can get away with it because it's only like -4 hp per enemy instead of like -20 per enemy

[stone rune]

that was extremely weird

i lost a dd like exactly when alecto died

and the animations were

strange

[latent moon]

i've had that happen before lmao

it's weird

[stone rune]

is there any way to make lernie not sit there for 10 seconds before going vulnerable

[manic vine]

So I shouldn't have listened to Jazz. Got it.

[mint coral]

Can also use casts to soften up enemies and then spam special

[latent moon]

not really lol

sometimes it's fast, sometimes it takes a while

[stone rune]

wbhyy

[latent moon]

no clue

[stone rune]

can you make him summon heads faster

[latent moon]

no

[stone rune]

omg

why is there so much rng variance

[latent moon]

just phase lernie faster

[stone rune]

i phase him in like 2 seconds

1 if good build

[manic vine]

I went into Theseus and Asterius with said Maimed Strike

[latent moon]

so then he summons the other heads faster because you got to that part faster lmao

[stone rune]

the issue is more the heads htough

they take so many hits

[latent moon]

well that's hestia for you

look out for wells

[stone rune]

i wish you could get aspho clockets

[latent moon]

and buy nail of talos for more armor damage

other than that, there's not much else you can boost your dps other than the obv chaos, hermes, etc

[latent moon]

tbf you never mentioned where you were in the run

but also yeah partly on jazz's end for telling you to take a maimed curse on fists lol

[mint coral]

I thought it was like tart lol

[latent moon]

same lmao

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

because i'd never consider it after

[stone rune]

imo i just would not have taken the damage

[latent moon]

bold statement coming from someone who only plays hestia

[mint coral]

I wouldnt have played fists

[latent moon]

also true

[stone rune]

did you know that it's illegal for enemies to hurt you?

[manic vine]

True, so yeah that was on me

[stone rune]

that's right, if you tell them to stop they legally aren't allowed to attack you anymore

[latent moon]

that's why i take repulse shot on rama

[spring knoll]

I'm supposed to be learning to love the fists over time, but the more I play (~200 runs now), the more I hate them.

[mint coral]

Is zag job to escape theough the defenses so it should be legal

[stone rune]

lol

[latent moon]

yeah that sounds about right

[manic vine]

Oh my god..

It's back in Tartarus.

[latent moon]

what's the bonus

maimed what

if it's special damage then i'd consider it lol

assuming you're playing dem fists

[manic vine]

46% and yeah it's Demeter's

[latent moon]

46% for?

[mint coral]

Il take it if its was hp/favor

[spring knoll]

yeah, I'm liking dem fists the least worst

[latent moon]

oh yeah favor is good

same with hp

but i have speedrunner brain and dont care about more hp

[manic vine]

Normal strikes.

[latent moon]

maimed strike?

cringe

[mint coral]

Hard no

[latent moon]

i do love a 46% boost to base 15 atk

[mint coral]

Tfw your punches do more dmg than bullets

[latent moon]

maybe the fists are that much heavier that they do more damage

because f=ma and whatnot

[stone rune]

you're forgetting about the acceleration part

[mint coral]

Demter just left that much energy on the fists they hurt a lot

[latent moon]

yeah but what if it was so much heavier that it's more than the accel

[mint coral]

I still love the img of demeter punching the titans to "death"

[latent moon]

oh yeah that's a good one

grandma got them hands

[mint coral]

I also love how she just doesnt un-winter the dad arena

Rest of world is fine but you still need the reminder

[silver mica]

"Y'all done screwed up big time and I ain't just gonna let you forget that"

proceeds to give you either a mild cold or rapid and lethal hypothermia

[rustic falcon]

omg finally, i have won against charon

the hardest boss in game

probably

[manic vine]

Congrats now do it again

[rustic falcon]

lol i got the 20% discount but i was litterally one hit away from death and i immediately died after beating charon

sad

[rustic falcon]

i wish

i can do better than before now atleast

[white path]

I started the final fight with 334 hp.

I finished with 8.

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/1078133539704422450/image.png

[mint coral]

Amazing

[dire tendon]

the gods have decided that you will sea storm hestia

[manic vine]

Lol

I've done it

Again.

Got my first [technical, thanks Corrupted file] hades win

[stoic spoke]

how do you unlock thans locked heart?? i heard you need to beat him in the challenge which i did and nothing happened

[mint coral]

Talk with him till he mentions you can escape without his help

Then do that and then talk to him again till it unlocks

[rustic falcon]

i finally caught a legendary fish

[white path]

If I don't get a hammer in tartarus, am I guaranteed it in asphodel?

[mint coral]

Not 100% but might as well be

[white path]

ok cool so the 200 coins are better spent elsewhere

[stone rune]

how much money do you have

if you've got like 400+ it can't hurt to ensure you dont get stuffed

[white path]

I do actually have 400+ lol

but the less I spend the more interest I get. And can hopefully buy titan blood

[stone rune]

oh

golden touch

[white path]

ye. It gives more money assuming I don't spend everything immediately

[mint coral]

You get titan blood by winning

[white path]

I get TWO titan blood by buying it and then winning

Last run I got 3

4 including the one I bought with the ambrosia I also got then

[mint coral]

If you can reliable win then is aight ig

[white path]

I cannot

[mint coral]

You can use your money to have a stronger build

Thats why deep pockets is so good

[white path]

Anyways the question is do I spend 200 to get the hammer in the last room of tartarus when I have 427 rn?

[mint coral]

What weapon is this?

[white path]

stygius zagreus

0 heat

[mint coral]

Take it and see if double edge appears

Is its best hammer

[white path]

my 3rd win total

[stone rune]

oh

do you know sword dps rotation

[white path]

no

[white path]

And if it doesn't?
Or do you mean just hope?

[mint coral]

Breaching/piercing wave are decent picks

You can also meme it and try to form flurry slash + cursed slash combo

But i dont like it

[white path]

Cruel, Breaching, Shadow

[stone rune]

bad unless swift strike

uh

breaching

breaching is the only one that works for dstrikes

[mint coral]

Shadow slash why dont you apply to dash strikes

[white path]

Why don't malphon's special hammers apply to dash-upper

[mint coral]

Explosive upper is the best anyways

[white path]

Wait are dstrikes the biggest damage? It's also harder to use

[stone rune]

yes

[mint coral]

But the hadouken one is fun

[stone rune]

you should do special dashstrike dashstrike

standing strikes are bad

[mint coral]

They arent hard to use but they are more risky

As they use your dash iframes

[stone rune]

they're not that hard to use

it's hard to do them perfectly every time

sometimes you end up with a standing strike after

but most of the time its fine

iframes though yeah

but makes your damage better

[mint coral]

Dont take flurry slash too

It forces you to do a standing strike after dash strike

[white path]

I now have 4 dashes with a dstrike that does 60% more damage

[wispy fjord]

who do ya'll think has the best boons in the game?

[limber ether]

Hermes

[stone rune]

aphrodite

[wispy fjord]

Fair I think that Dionysus could be considered

[stone rune]

why

[latent moon]

All gods suck

[stone rune]

zeus is the cooler dio

[wispy fjord]

because if you stack hangover enough you can just breeze through everything without trying

[latent moon]

i mean that's just 1 boon basically lol

[wispy fjord]

Ares and and artimus are also great

[latent moon]

ares kinda sucks unless you get a certain duo lmao

battle rage is neat but that's like the extent of it

[stone rune]

hermes giving me swift strike swift flourish and auto reload:

[latent moon]

maybe dont play hestia

[stone rune]

no

[latent moon]

and get swift flourish on hera instead

[stone rune]

literally best aspect

[latent moon]

where it's much better

[stone rune]

so real!

[latent moon]

wrong, it got knocked out in round 1 of the reddit bracket

[stone rune]

holy crap

you're right

[swift barn]

is dio hangover stacks legit good or is it kind of a meme. You can get it consistently by passing up a ton of other boons, but some stuff like artemis and ares duos seem like a heavy price to pay for lvl 14 hang

[mint coral]

Hangover is good yeah

You mainly aim principally for aphro-dio duo then anything else is a good extra

And ofc poms

Hangover poms are super nice cuz they dont fall off

[latent moon]

hangover builds are generally considered safe and consistent

[mint coral]

^

It wont give you the fastest kill, but it will kill

[latent moon]

because you dont technically need the aphro or ares hangover duo for it to be good, you just need poms

and since you're starting with it, you should be able to get it to a good level

[swift barn]

im just wondering how the math works out between pure hangover vs duo ares/aphro

when you might have to give up poms to the non hangover attacks

[mint coral]

You meam curse of longing?

[latent moon]

curse of longing just sucks

[mint coral]

Or you mean hangover + the duos

[swift barn]

ares dio duo

[stone rune]

thats good

[mint coral]

Just sell the doom boon after tbh

You dont need it

[stone rune]

it increases your damage byy

50% i think

[latent moon]

low tolerance has more dps than curse of nausea

[stone rune]

low tolerance is 60%

[swift barn]

i wonder what the odds are of somehow getting both

[latent moon]

it's not that bad tbh

there are runs out there with like 4+ legendaries/duos

just have the prereqs and you'd be surprised at how often you'd get it

[mint coral]

Yeah 2 duos isnt bad with a 3 god pool

May want 2 out of 3 in tart but still

[swift barn]

i just feel like my reroll strats are the worst part of my play at the moment, i try to force some gods in tart and spend about 5 rolls still not getting what i want

[mint coral]

Fated authorithy moment

Persuasion is a lot better

But a tip for authorithy is roll on mid boss only

[latent moon]

yeah this is why we dont use authority lol

[mint coral]

Those can only be boons

[swift barn]

i noticed at a point that after 5-4 rolls, it sort of starts cycling back and forth between things

like you start with ares boon, you reroll 5 times and you just get ares again

[mint coral]

Something something bag system

[latent moon]

rerolling a boon from a god is a lot better than rerolling a door into a god you want

also doesn't help that nearly all builds hinge around 2 gods

[swift barn]

i've been kinda stuck in a stagnant play style since i started hell mode pact grinding

used to use than/hermes all the time because stacks, but than playstyle is too cautions for my ape brain and hermes rush builds sometimes just don't come together.

[latent moon]

yeah those keepsakes kinda suck

not having control of your build severely hurts your dps

unless you ofc rng into the build you want, but that's not consistent lol

[swift barn]

i just love big dumb potential builds, but you can't really force them (unless if i start using persuasion for those herm boons)

[latent moon]

oh yeah that's another reason why persuasion is much better than authority lol

rerolling hermes and chaos is huge

[stone rune]

enshrouded roiling halting:

i dont understand why the % is so massive on roiling

[swift barn]

didn't even think chaos could be rolled, yeah, screw auth

[stone rune]

lmfao

abyssal my goat though

[latent moon]

it's 30-80% lmao

[stone rune]

yeah you can get like an added js4

and caustic

caustic great too

[latent moon]

dont remember what that does lol

[nimble narwhal]

top five aspects?

[swift barn]

its kind of funny that we switch to talking about chaos, when chaos attack doesn't synergize with the dio hang that started this

[latent moon]

beowulf, hestia, zeus, rama, uh idk eris i guess

but like

a lot of things are good

[stone rune]

bomb

free

[latent moon]

oh caustic isn't too bad if you remember it exists

[stone rune]

although

i lost a dd once to it lmfao

[latent moon]

i keep forgetting right after i take it

[mint coral]

caustic good for the 1 gilga player

free RR procs

[latent moon]

lmao true

[stone rune]

in a numbskull survival room

that's literally the only situation in which it's moderately not good

[latent moon]

this is why i use beo and hide in a corner

[stone rune]

can you literally shield everything

[swift barn]

is always good because funi

[stone rune]

with beo big shieldbox

[stone rune]

that's a weird way of spelling hestia, hestia, hestia, hestia, hestia

[latent moon]

pretty much yeah

unless they step into you

then they can hit through it

[stone rune]

oh

cringe

[latent moon]

and depending on the side, kinda around

goes for all shields tho

[stone rune]

well beo has big shieldbox tho right

[latent moon]

the stepping through is generally only dad tho

[latent moon]

it's a bigger angle

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

but i think it covers one side more than the other

[swift barn]

honestly ive seen a caustic skull rush once, it wasn't that bad

[stone rune]

well yeah

[latent moon]

so depending on the side, it can "hit" you through the side

[stone rune]

you would have to aim right

well

i mean

aim correct

i think you have to aim left

counterclockwise

[swift barn]

unless we talking about super high heat runs

[latent moon]

caustic skull rush isn't too bad at high heat tbh

[stone rune]

enshrouded is free

get the boons

[latent moon]

true

[dire tendon]

ok hold on why is this a thing

because you look at the animation

zag has the shield flung behind him

[stone rune]

the animation is silly

[dire tendon]

how is this man blocking

[stone rune]

yeah

it's insane

[dire tendon]

it doesnt even make sense as to why hed charge up with the shield behind him since he rushes straight forward smh

[stone rune]

style points

[dire tendon]

no seriously though try the movements yourself

to go from that to a straight rush is so damn uncomfortable

since you swing your arm forward and then immediately stop it to go straight

[stone rune]

zagreus can instantly reposition his entire body in order to shoot numbskulls at like 210 degree angle differences

[mint coral]

beo is just silly like that

[dire tendon]

yeah but he has fancy feet

the flames let him slide yknow

[stone rune]

no like

in a numbskull room

with rail

with autoaim

if you go into the middle and shoot them

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/869727407471485048/chart_1.jpeg

[stone rune]

he teleports the gun

[mint coral]

maybe

[stone rune]

so yeah aim counterclockwise

[swift barn]

reminds me of that one shielded skull room someone posted

[dire tendon]

i just load a cast and pray tbh

[woeful trout]

this game is kinda like the best rougelike tbh

[stone rune]

not really a roguelike lmfao

[dire tendon]

its not even a roguelike but ill take it

[woeful trout]

rougelite*

if thats the issue

[latent moon]

hey where's that snap nova link

[swift barn]

painful, but prob could have been dealt with easier then he did

[latent moon]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HeartlessCleanHornetBatChest

[dire tendon]

hold on vorime sent it to me a while ago gimme a sec

\ahab

[stone rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkYo7bSH05Q

[latent moon]

speaking of weird movement thingies

let's see you imitate snap nova

[mint coral]

savior numbskulls moment

[dire tendon]

https://www.twitch.tv/vorime/clip/AltruisticTastyEggSSSsss

[swift barn]

some people just get so mad about the definition of a roguelike sometimes

[dire tendon]

hes sliding on his toesies

[mint coral]

oh btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/869727351003566092/chart_4.jpeg

this is normal shield

[swift barn]

i just dont like getting snap. I don't have the muscle memory to use it

[dire tendon]

mom: "we have achilles at home"

[dire tendon]

wait is this just literally impossible btw
\

[stone rune]

?

i clear the room by the end

[dire tendon]

oh

i watched the first 20 seconds lol

[stone rune]

lmfao

[dire tendon]

watching the rest

shhh

[latent moon]

dang spoiler alert smh

[swift barn]

why not go to one end of the hallway to shoot the front skulls and dash to the other, instead to circle strafing and spreading it out over them.

[dire tendon]

because the run's dead anyways so just mess around? idk

[stone rune]

that was a better idea

[dire tendon]

i suppose timer aint thaaat bad at 33

[stone rune]

but i was just tired

[stone rune]

it's boonless mirrorless

[dire tendon]

ah

ah.

[bright warren]

What’s the best mirror for casts with diobeo build? The purple or the green

[latent moon]

stygian soul, the regen one

i think it's green

[bright warren]

Ok thank you

[bright warren]

How do I learn how to play the lyre?

[latent moon]

play it 210 times lol

to get the prophecy at least

[bright warren]

So just sit here pressing the button

[latent moon]

pretty much

you have to talk to orpheus at some point in the middle

[bright warren]

Ok thx

[sage sphinx]

Holy

[spring knoll]

Do you guys ever spend reroll tokens on the purple Charon pools to try and get access to more Chaos boons?

[latent moon]

yeah

i've done it like once or twice

[spring knoll]

it just occurred to me that I could do that. I've only been using them to reroll boons so far

[stone rune]

on my last pb i had like 6 rolls in 2nd tunnel styx snd like 600 bucks so i just rolled thr well three times and bought as many jerkies and stuff as i could lmfao

[spring knoll]

yeah I always do that in Styx at the end if I can

once in a while it's epic, like if you get 3-4 different stacking effects for +damage or cast or something

but most of the time it's a yarn of arriane (sp?), an armor damage bonus, and a backstab bonus 😕

[latent moon]

armor damage is good tho

[spring knoll]

yeah I guess it helps during Hades phase 1 fight with the ads

[latent moon]

and also styx minibosses

and like

normal armored enemies lol

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/wAg3AQjGOy8

Who does everyone thinks gonna win overall in this tornament

[stone rune]

chaos

[spring knoll]

I feel like the optimal way to play the Hades aspect is to ignore the spin attack completely and play it like normal spear, then switch to a better aspect once the run's over

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-chaos-square-enix-gif-21948103

[silver mica]

As someone who's used the Hades spear I can agree to this

[cobalt ibex]

Hi everybody! I never looted a duo boon in the rooms with two gods (even with rerolls), is it possible?

[solar vault]

Nope

no duo boons possible there at all even with other gods

[cobalt ibex]

That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation!

[finite loom]

How are you supposed to use the sword? I can use all the other weapons fine but as soon as I use the sword I tend to struggle a lot.

[solar vault]

sword is one of the weaker weapons tbf

you wanna be using dash strikes basically all the time

poseidon sword lets you lean on your cast and play less of sword

[cobalt ibex]

I love aspect of Poseidon with mirage shot and some beefy casts, but you can basically do the same with Achilles spear (except for exit wounds)

@finite loom And same as you, I suck so much with sword even with th right gameplay (double dash strikes). Hades EM4 with Arthur aspect was a chore.

[north shell]

any good rama builds?

[cobalt ibex]

The last run I did was with Demeter on special and Aphrodite on attack. Crowd control is very cool, especially with Hades himself.

[high island]

What MiKE says here: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[finite loom]

I used a Nemesis crit build and still found it very hard to do. Only got up to heat 2 so far on sword

[north shell]

tyty

[cobalt ibex]

I play it so rarely that my Nemesis aspect is not even maxed out. It's funny because it drops big numbers but it's so double edged…

[silver mica]

I find sword easier to use than others

Personally

Usually I just

Special or Cast > Dash strike ×2 > Attack > Special

[high island]

EM4 is just really brutal for melee unless it's the shield.

Don't blame yourself for doing poorly against EM4 with Excalibur. Blame Amir.

[raven fossil]

Heyy

[vague mirage]

Hello. New player here, managed to escape on my 43th attempt, after roughly 24hrs of playtime. I consider myself a good gamer after 30yrs of pc gaming, but damn did i suck at this one. How fast did u guys manage to clear it first time?

[hasty owl]

i just had the worst fists run

demeter w zeus attack

my plan was just go all in on zeus boons, go for the leg

i took zeus at every opportunity

i got 2 zeus boons offered the entire run

._.

[hasty owl]

i got it on my 33rd attempt

doesnt mean im a better gamer

i suck at most games lol

people are good at different stuff

i suck at FPS

don’t get yourself down if other people took to hades more naturally

it just means that you worked harder to get the win :)

[vague mirage]

well i liked the game very much from start, so i decided not to research anything (forums, discord, guides etc) and just experience it. so yeah, i was so hyped last night when i escaped 😄

[cobalt ibex]

Escaped at my 46th attempt, didn't count the playtime. As an average player I think it's kind of decent. Execution was less a problem than making the right decisions like : do I really want to enter Chaos gate in Elysium two rooms before the boss fight and with 1/3 of health?

The cool thing is that even if you suck at this game you can unlock new lines of dialogues and lore.

Maybe you can escape faster if you stick with a weapon you're good at, muscle memory trains faster. Personally I switched weapons each run to get the darkness bonus, maybe that didn't help.

[silver mica]

Hypnos:

[silver mica]

I mean switching weapons allows for flexibility too

[raw herald]

I was on number 45

[silver mica]

Try them all out, figure out what you like the most in its base form

Then figure out how you like it best with boons and upgrades

If it works it works

[high island]

Croven has the unmodded speedrun WR and did his first clear on attempt 50. I think you're doing just fine lol.

[burnt moth]

hear me out y’all but this song here.. especially with the guitar, does it not sound like a hardcore boss fight song that’d fit perfect in Hades https://youtu.be/rNSTHrhQtQQ

shoutout Tim Henson

[cobalt ibex]

That's exactly what I did, but when you're a beginner it may take some time to understand the gameplay of every weapon.
Not to say that depending the gods you choose the gameplay changes drastically for one single weapon..

[burnt moth]

Polyphia ft Darren Korb when

[vague mirage]

Well i too switched guns based on bonus. I managed to win with fists (to my surprise, since i most enjoy the spear and shield on 2nd place), but it was the first time i got a legendary boon (Athena's shield), so i guess i managed to get better survivability than the usual glass cannon builds i used to make

[vague mirage]

thanks for that 🙂 i can flex now, i guess 😛

[high island]

My first was 23.

[vague mirage]

bruh ...

[cobalt ibex]

My was escape was with… exagryph. Totally unexpected, it was like the 4th or 5th time I picked that weapon which I found very difficult to use. I got very good hammers (delta chamber and the one that fires multiple bombs) and Hades got wrecked.
Later I figured out the default button for reloading didn't work on Nintendo Switch, had to remap on the other trigger. I don't know if it's just on my console or if it's a global problem.

[mint coral]

R3 reload is a crime anyways

[cobalt ibex]

Haha, never played in another console than Switch. L button works fine I guess.

[rustic vale]

Never changed off base keybinds 😈

[silver mica]

I think the sword is the least affected in that case tbh

[silver mica]

L1 reload now 💪

[silver mica]

Well for ke personally I think it's more changed by hammers picked rather than gods

Obviously that goes for all weapons in regards to hammers

Idk I feel like the sword is the least flexible based on boons alone imo

and that makes it easier for a secure win?

Idk

[cobalt ibex]

I'm not good enough to change my playstyle depending on the hammers I get, but should I get mirage shot or Poseidon legendary, I'll essentially play cast or dash

[thorny mirage]

most hammers on sword shouldn’t be changing your playstyle tbh

[rustic vale]

the ones that dramatically change how the sword operates are also the bad ones
Flurry slash
World splitter
Dash nova

[high island]

Can you show your current build?

No upload permissions here, so need to upload a screenshot to imgur or somewhere and link it here.

Image embeds are fine.

[cobalt ibex]

@high island Ah no worries, I don't have any issues with any builds or aspects, right now I'm grinding for titan's blood so I'm doing every level heat with every weapon (I'm currently at 13, with Hades EM4 other wise it's not funny).
I think the last time I had a blast with sword was aspect of Poseidon, mirage shot, Aphrodite cast, 4 blood stones. I didn't even lose a death defiance against Hades (usually when I win I'm always near death).

[high island]

If you're doing a Crush Shot build on Poseidon, prioritize getting Snow Burst from Lady Demeter next.

And lots of poms on your Cast, of course.

[cobalt ibex]

I'll give a try! Provided the rng goddess is on my side ^^

[coarse sun]

If i have heat lvl 20 and do heat 32, will i unlock last skelly statue?

[mint coral]

Ye

[coarse sun]

cool

[silver mica]

Might try sigil of the dead

I haven't really used it apart from maxing it

Could be useful for EM4 fists I think?

[dire tendon]

it is very good

lots of damage

though on high heat its generally better to run acorn or tooth

[silver mica]

Dies jury summons affect boss chambers?

Idk what to do for heat 11

[stone rune]

no

[silver mica]

Alr I'll just do that

[stone rune]

probably dont want it though

bad room clear

[dire tendon]

theres a heat guide somewhere in the heat channel pins

[silver mica]

True

Wait nevermind I'm dumb

I'll just use TD

[dire tendon]

personally i just chuck on as much tight deadline as possible and pray

since being slow is just a skill issue anyways amirite

[stone rune]

11 prob em2 uc td3

or something to that effect

[dire tendon]

personally i use fo2 but thats just because i never take it off

uc is a good filler heat option tho yeah

[stone rune]

or hl1 em2 mm uc td2

idk

[rustic vale]

Em2 fo2 td2 💪

[rustic vale]

Not uc I don’t think

[stone rune]

11 go wild just dont take like ap ri dc

[rustic vale]

The heat guide is good to follow

[dire tendon]

benefits 1 is chill too methinks

its only the combos that get very annoying

[rustic vale]

https://imgur.com/UQgfOtx

-Ridiculous Hat

[stone rune]

omg douglas adams reference

[silver mica]

WOW I haven't used zagfists in ages

Barely made it past Tis

[cobalt ibex]

Is tooth superior to acorn? It's only 100hp, and Hades does much more than 100hp in five hits.

[latent moon]

Dad call isn't useful for fists unless you're doing ME

[latent moon]

He does like 80 in 2 hits lol

[stone rune]

bball :(

[rustic vale]

Acorn is superior

[cobalt ibex]

I sometimes see streamers picking tooth to fight Hades when low on DD, that's why I ask.

But even with 0 DD I find acorn much more useful

[silver mica]

😭 I'm bad at the game I can't keep those free hits until second phase

Well for EM I prefer tooth

Regular dad is either/or

[mint coral]

Doesnt matter where you use those hits

Dad will do as much dmg either phase anyways

[latent moon]

depends on heat level tbh

it doesn't matter how much hp you have when you enter dad fight because tooth and acorn are still gonna do the same job

acorn can deny more damage as long as you dont get hit by adds

[silver mica]

Died :)

Now time for

Rama

[silver mica]

It would be so nice if I could just

Have a hammer.

Oh there we go

[raven fossil]

Heyyy

How are you doing everyone :D

[silver mica]

Hi 👋

Not bad, yourself?

[raven fossil]

I m okay :D

Working on a small project :D

[stoic spoke]

how do i unlock hades' locked heart?? ive escaped 10+ times now

[mint coral]

Keep talking to him

[chrome wharf]

If the UI shows unlocked but you can't gift, fully close and reopen the game

[bright warren]

Is it true merciful end is the rarest duo?

[latent moon]

no because all duos have the same chance of showing up lol

it's just that it takes a lot of boons to get a good ME build

[woeful trout]

I mean it could be rarest as in most preconditions needed

But I think that’s something like smoldering air or one of the specific cast builds

[stone rune]

smair only needs 2

unless you want smair with non zoos call

[latent moon]

Well it only needs 2 for prereqs, it needs 3 to be useful

[stone rune]

what 3

[latent moon]

3 total

Ddash with prereqs

[stone rune]

oh

i thought you meant smair

uh

[latent moon]

I didn't reply to your comment lmao

[stone rune]

61 attack not good enough for 45 roiling right

[woeful trout]

Still waiting for the day I get exclusive access in Tartarus

Does exclusive access boost legendary and duo odds as well

[latent moon]

No

I don't think

[woeful trout]

It just makes every non legendary good

[stone rune]

this is the first time in like 20 runs ive seen non grey chaos strike why did it have to be roiling

slothful flourish

[woeful trout]

I can’t be the only one that takes the right chaos boons no matter how harsh the downsides are right

[stone rune]

im not taking roiling lmfao

[woeful trout]

I’ve taken -4 HP on attack several times while running rail for attack boosts

[stone rune]

well yeah

that's easy

but idek if i would take 100 attack for roiling

[latent moon]

Speedrunner brain moment

If I didn't care about time I'd take roiling

[stone rune]

well yeah

ugh

is 216 tart rest

[woeful trout]

What’s roiling again

[stone rune]

more foes

[latent moon]

For hestia yeah

Unless you have really good boons

Like hs already and good %s

[stone rune]

i didnt cause good %

lvl3 epic aph and like 120 special

305 c22 though

prob dead

although my 711 had like 351 aspho exit lmfao'

345 aspho

but now like 180 atk

might as well

wait

i have no hermes

how

[latent moon]

That's good pace so far but Ely might suck lol

[stone rune]

clockets and ixion

ok im ngl

maimed strike in ely not too fun

ok yeha run dead i think

awful room

533 c33

unfortunate

[stone rune]

wait it is?

i thought i needed like 320

[latent moon]

I mean a good Ely can cover that time

An extra free room

[stone rune]

jesus christ

i took abyssal

bc free

i juts lost a dd to a trap

[latent moon]

You don't need the DD anyways

[stone rune]

yeah btu still

[safe skiff]

Yaaay Dusa is on the daily board of fame

[stone rune]

next was halting

it literally makes your dash not do anything other than like iframes

and dstrikes

but it's just the same speed as walking

[pliant perch]

bruh I got stubborn roots three times in a single run

[rustic falcon]

so to get ME do i need to talk to ares to get the duo or does it not matter which God gives the duo after meeting the requirement

[mint coral]

either of the 2 is fine

[rustic falcon]

i see

and duo are 10% base right after unlocking requirements

[mint coral]

12% per slot or something like that

i dont remember how the math is, prob Nyaanyaa has talked about it somewhere

[rustic falcon]

i see, so i have encountered Ares and Athena 5 times in total after unlocking the ME requirements without getting a duo boon

yes

curse of agony, and divine flourish

[mint coral]

rng moMEnt

[rustic falcon]

lol athena boon from styx boss room and still no ME

welp not getting ME this run

well atleast i hope i can get my first win on the spear

the only weapon with no wins

[white path]

Just murdered my best friend

||oh wait he's fine lol||

[rustic falcon]

does eurydice nectar duo boons chances

or are duo boons not considered like a rarity

[latent moon]

It does increase duo and legendary odds

[rustic falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820856028321021982/1078496035397189652/image.png

sad

sad rng gave me a arte room which i cannot skip. i tried to save my eury nectar for ares or athena but game decided to not give any

yooo charon came in clutch