h1-discussion

[mint coral]

400 base dmg moment

[formal sinew]

Clockets go boom

[woeful trout]

What’s the bracket

[solar vault]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/10zx79k/zagreus_eliminated_round_3_achilles_vs_guan_yu/

[empty swallow]

Bro was quicker than the actual creator gah damn

https://bracketfights.com/create/hades-weapon-aspect-62918
If anyone wants to make there own thats the link

[stone rune]

their*

did they really put hera and rama in the first bracket

and hestia and eris

and beo and zeus

[rustic vale]

That’s actually kinda dumb tbh

You end having aspects that should make it way later dropping out early

[woeful trout]

Poseidon dropped out first round damn

That’s my favorite sword aspect

[stone rune]

that's why you don't put pos with nem on the first round

[rustic vale]

This is just peoples personal opinions from what I can gather

[solar vault]

it's on reddit

[stone rune]

so chaos will win??

[woeful trout]

Is nemesis even that good

[stone rune]

yes

[woeful trout]

I never really bothered with it

What makes it good

[stone rune]

crits

[solar vault]

nem is like the good sword

[stone rune]

it's like the best sword aspect

some people say arthur but it's annoying

[solar vault]

though I probably personally prefer poseidon because then I don't have to use the sword

[woeful trout]

It’s 3 seconds crits for 15% after special or something right

[stone rune]

pos is the sword for people who dislike sword

30% crits

after special

for idk

2 seconds

4 seconds

whatever

[woeful trout]

Literally me

[stone rune]

you special every 2 attacks so it could be 1.5 seconds for all it matters

[rustic vale]

Literally best sword tbh

[stone rune]

people on reddit saying they think arthur will win the whole thing

[woeful trout]

I do like the funny 200 base damage Arthur has

[rustic vale]

Arthur is like

[latent moon]

I mean both nem and Arthur are good

[stone rune]

arthur is good but it's so annoyingggggg

[latent moon]

Arthur is just slower

[rustic vale]

Definitely top18 aspects

[stone rune]

if hestia doesn't win im going to be mad

best aspect ever 100% every time

[rustic vale]

It’s a reddit tierlist so

Source of just bad opinions

[stone rune]

"i don't like hestia, i put 2 whole levels into it and it's not dealing enough damage"

[woeful trout]

All 3 rail aspects are good tbh

[rustic vale]

4*

[stone rune]

every rail is good

spread fire my beloved

[rustic vale]

But tbh

[latent moon]

Out of all the weapons its gonna be Arthur, Chiron, Achilles, eris, Talos/gilga, and chaos

[rustic vale]

Every aspect is good

It’s just that some are more good

[latent moon]

And chaos is gonna win

[rustic vale]

Zag sword solos

[stone rune]

i think the reason for chaos love might be

[latent moon]

It already dropped out

[rustic vale]

[stone rune]

i watched critikal's youtube video review and he said chaos was the best aspect

and it melts everything

[rustic vale]

No clue who critical is

[stone rune]

reddit god

[rustic vale]

I know that chaos was good in early access but like
Did redditors not update the game?

[latent moon]

Also haelian ranked chaos as S

Which is probably why people use it a lot

Haelian uploads a lot of hades content so they prob just used what he said

[stone rune]

ap1 32 heat:

[latent moon]

Ap1 is free

[rustic vale]

That was the one that didn’t care about aspect strength last I checked

[stone rune]

yeah

[woeful trout]

Isn’t chaos hella mid

[stone rune]

chaos is unaspected

[latent moon]

Yeah but redditors love chaos

[latent moon]

I mean it's both

[rustic vale]

Redditorrs are stuck in early aspect mindset

[stone rune]

it just gets by because shield is great to begin with

[latent moon]

It's strength and fun factor

[woeful trout]

What was chaos like before

[latent moon]

Star spread

[stone rune]

radial

bounced to enemies

blindfolded runs

[woeful trout]

If it was actually the best aspect

[rustic vale]

I remenber somethjing significant got ranked B because they thought it was boring

[stone rune]

hestia

chiron was also S

[woeful trout]

So every shield bounced automatically

And it was a lot stronger in general

[latent moon]

I mean hestia can be boring to a certain extent if you don't optimize for max damage lol

[rustic vale]

99% sure aspect strength wasn’t part of the equation then

[latent moon]

Also like keep in mind that the normal player doesn't push heat or speed

[stone rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgrMvDD4BWQ

the chaos ea experience

[latent moon]

If it was a heat or speed tier list, it'd be ranked pretty differently

[stone rune]

i feel like we've had this discussion a million times

[latent moon]

Yeah

[stone rune]

and invariably come to the same conclusion

[rustic vale]

We should make a bananas tierlist

[latent moon]

Because y'all keep bringing it up

[stone rune]

things are ranked strange because it's based on how fun they are

[rustic vale]

Not strength

[stone rune]

reddit is weird

[latent moon]

All S

[stone rune]

even overripe ones?

also

about that tier list

i feel like for each weapon the best 2 aspects are put together in the first round

like

achilles vs gy

hestia vs eris

[rustic vale]

The only accurate tierlist is my sword hammer tierlist

[stone rune]

beo vs dzeus

[rustic falcon]

banana prices rn are F tier

[stone rune]

10 cents

where im at

[rustic vale]

Free if you’re slick

[latent moon]

True

[stone rune]

or if you go to the right smiths

[latent moon]

Grow your own even if you don't live in the right climate

Just git gud

Skill issue

[stone rune]

you know

does anyone else think this game is like solitaire

[rustic vale]

Hades is like solitaire

Both are single player games

[stone rune]

most of your runs don't go anywhere

you can get screwed by rng even in the later parts

[rustic vale]

Played by people with pulses

[stone rune]

but when you get a good run it's awaesome

[rustic vale]

Eh

I think Hades is a lot less rng dependent then solitaire

[stone rune]

well

[rustic vale]

You can literally just get into unwinnable gamestates in solitaire where no amount of skill can or could’ve helped

[stone rune]

i think klondike winnable rate is like 40 soemthing percent

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1074164206775062598/image.png

we live in a society

[rustic vale]

You live in a sociiety

[stone rune]

sociiety

[rustic vale]

Double eye

Proper way to spell it

[latent moon]

Quality hades content

[rustic falcon]

how do you live in a society

[orchid totem]

is it worth to buy hades 1 now that number 2 is being released eventualy

[solar vault]

Hades is a fantastic game in its own right, and we know that 2 will have different story and gameplay

I highly recommend trying it

[lone sable]

+we dont know when 2 is released

[high island]

I mean 2 is a direct sequel to 1.

[lost river]

Yes, you know the first game is good, you don't know how about the quality of the second game yet.

[silver mica]

I thought they also said it wasn't necessary to play the first to understand the second?

[sour fog]

depends how you define "necessary"

[lost river]

If you check the trailer, it doesn't look like you need to play Hades 1 to understand the second game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJ_UhPptBQ

[lone sable]

they said in the FAQ that you dont

[brisk trail]

I wonder if we wil meet zagreus in 2

[peak carbon]

https://imgur.com/gallery/btrYPiB

Time to delete

[brisk trail]

what should i throw on my zeus special

[silver mica]

Dio or Zeus

[cyan jolt]

I'm gonna cry

My game just froze

Again

In the hades fight

My run was going so well, I had 2 legendaries, 2 duo boons and second phase with 3 death defiances

I also lost the run before, also with 2 legendaries but that was just because of a skill issue

[mint coral]

You still have the epilogue :)

[dense iron]

Hey is there anyplace for just general questions because I have a few of them and I want to know

[mint coral]

If its about the game is fine here

[peak carbon]

Damn

Deleting in t-minus 3 days I guess

[brisk trail]

fully loaded on trippy beo yippee

[rustic vale]

Yea

[brisk trail]

||Imagine if there was a mod that replaced the wretched [redcated] summoned with the region bosses. EM5. ||

[brisk trail]

I had a similar issue to this. Try running the game on windowed mode. It might be that your PC can’t keep up with the power the screen demands

[cyan jolt]

Nintendo switch moment

[bronze arch]

are there conditions to buy "touch of styx" and "Flame Wheels Release" in charon's well?. I'm trying to fulfill all minor prophecies and i can't find them in any wells. I'm going crazy

[gray apex]

Touch of Styx needs Stubborn Defiance

Flamewheel Release needs you to be in Elysium

[bronze arch]

omg thank you, that explains why i've never seen it before

[brisk trail]

whats a good god to put on zagbow atk

[rustic vale]

Aphrodite or artemis

[brisk trail]

ty

im guessing aprho is more consistent?

[rustic vale]

Demeter and athena work as well but they don’t give as high of a +% as aphrodite or the extra crit consistency of artemis

[rustic vale]

Yep

[latent moon]

it'll also give you a free heart rend proc
on the other hand, if you use artemis strike and passion dash, you'll get heart rend procs more often

either one is fine

just preference probably

[mint ember]

Yea but man going full crit is so fun

[latent moon]

just pom hunter's mark lmao

[mint ember]

Nemesis continues to be my fastest aspect

[latent moon]

gamer

[rustic vale]

Zag bow >> nem

💪💪

[latent moon]

i think my nem is faster than zag bow lmao

by like 45 seconds lmao

[rustic vale]

My zag bow is faster then my nem but also zag bow doesn’t have to deal with sword hammers

[mint ember]

Those are the best kind tho

[latent moon]

zag bow needs to get the good hammers tho lol

[latent moon]

sword hammers?

[mint ember]

Getting the dash hammer and hunters dash and artemis attack
OML

[rustic vale]

No other weapon has so many negatively affecting hammers

[latent moon]

dash nova

[mint ember]

Ig thats true i always luck out

Big chop on nemesis is also fire

[latent moon]

well dash nova and world splitter are some of the bad hammers on sword

world splitter is technically neutral if you play sword optimally but still not great frankly

[dire tendon]

why are so many of the sword hammers trash

[rustic vale]

World splitter can still negatively affect you if you make an oopsie

[latent moon]

yeah

that's why i said "technically neutral" lmao

[dire tendon]

honestly I kinda like dash nova since it’s funny to zoom around everywhere

(make dash nova give special dash strike damage cowards)

[mint ember]

Unless ur tryna speedrun

There is no negative

Just more challenging

[latent moon]

lmfao

"it doesn't make you worse, it makes the game harder"

[rustic vale]

I’m not breaking up the negative hammer section into
possibly negative: worldsplitter
Actually just negative: dash nova, cursed slash, flurry slash

[latent moon]

lmao fair

[mint ember]

Cursed slash also fun

Wee face tank everything

Wish it worked on dash attack tho thats rough

[rustic vale]

Cursed slash wouldn’t be nearly as bad if it worked on dash strike

It would still be bad but

[thorny mirage]

I think their reasoning for many of the hammers is putting more gameplay styles into the game

This doesn’t make them good since so many of those styles aren’t conducive to decent gameplay

[lost river]

Guys, I have new obsession. How many runs does it take you to finish the game (kill Hades) for the first time? Could you also describe your previous experiences with rogue-like games?

[brisk trail]

I mean the amount of runs depends on how good u play and wut rogue-like games do u mean

[lost river]

It's whole game genre, for example Binding of Isaac

[raw herald]

Attempt 45, no prior roguelike experience

[brisk trail]

Wel i have played both rogue legacy’s and dead cells before this and getting used to the dying and starting all over is the hardest part to get used to after that it goes smooth

[latent moon]

lmao same

i dont think that helped me at all

[hearty wing]

I was butting [FINAL BOSS] face until I blundered and died like an idiot

att 19 that was for me

[drowsy portal]

Heyy Bladkop have you beaten the final boss for the first time yet?

I just completed my first successful run

[hearty wing]

Yo lets go!

Which weapon?

[drowsy portal]

Bow!

My first time playing bow haha

[hearty wing]

Nice. Bow is super fun

Though dash attack feels a bit iffy to me at times

[drowsy portal]

Do you have a favourite weapon?

[hearty wing]

Twin Fists!

I love jumping to their faces and Bruce Lee'ing them

[latent moon]

that's what you're supposed to be doing on bow lol

[hearty wing]

Yeah lol it's just that moving stick to dash, dashing, and then pulling stick back to aim makes me very inaccurate at times

[drifting ember]

You do not have permissions to run this command.

[mint coral]

Just let the auto aim do its thing

[gray apex]

You're rarely aiming on controller

[hearty wing]

hmm havent tried to just auto aim

Aight, lemme pick up the bow lol

[dense iron]

Where is it

[rustic vale]

If it’s about Hades then here

Or

#off-topic-discussion

[brisk trail]

Sadly no I only have like 2 and a half hour in the game if I’m right

[lament perch]

Buff my boy lernie 🙏

[brisk trail]

i accidentally made a good build

[slender mist]

that explains why I never get it either, ty so much!

[hearty wing]

Aight so I'm back

Bow build was pretty insane

But I found myself running away for 90% of the final fight to try and catch a second to shoot lmao

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/40ZmqqRemZa
Voting continues again Zag vs Hades
Previous votes were
Guan Yu:21.03% (147 votes)
Achilles:78.97% (552 votes)

[hearty wing]

Even with 10 stacks of chill it was kinda hard

[gray apex]

It takes some practice

But you'll get there

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1074432002545168514/image.png

fists might be wrong but i don't care enough to know which one's which

[empty swallow]

Empowered shot beating Eris!

Never really thought empowered shot was good

[solar vault]

part of it I imagine is it's really good boonless

[gray apex]

It's just really good

Very few play boonless anyway

[solar vault]

(jazz does though)

[stone rune]

it's good period

doesn't need to be boonless

[mint coral]

Hesita do be comfy

[stone rune]

#h1-for-new-players message

[stone rune]

150 base

and you don't need to stand still for longer than a shot

[latent moon]

To be fair, it's either gonna be eris or hestia for the rails
But neither would beat beo anyways lmao

[stone rune]

in my heart they do

watch reddit vote chaos over beo

[gray apex]

Chaos op on reddit

[mint coral]

Yeah this is on reddit too so uh, i wouldnt be surprised if beo goes bye

[latent moon]

Yeah lmao

Classic reddit

[stone rune]

zeus could win over it too tbh

[mint coral]

I wouldnt be surprised if Chiron clears the bows

[untold crown]

do people love beo so much bc of the trippy flare glitch

[latent moon]

no

we love it because of the mirage shot bug

[stone rune]

my god

the massive two dashes

[latent moon]

Out of all the weapons its gonna be Arthur, Chiron, Achilles, eris, Talos/gilga, and chaos

that's my guess

chaos is gonna win overall tho

[stone rune]

do they not like dem

[latent moon]

they like talos and gilga more i think

[stone rune]

jesus christ

2 dashes is crazy

im nearly nohit

[mint coral]

Welcome to the light darkness of having a mirror

[stone rune]

oh my god

my sweet sweet fiery presence

[mint coral]

How you feel about having dark foresight back

[stone rune]

it was actually helpful to not have it

less boons

OMG

GREATEST REFLEX

LOL

last time i tried the than achievement i didn't even manage it

this time i got it in aspho

[mint coral]

Gaming

[stone rune]

LOL

did dad nohit

[manic pine]

Finally doing Hell Mode. Wish me luck y’all 😭

[stone rune]

Good luck "clitoris gamer"

[manic pine]

Ty Ty

[umbral shoal]

Are there ||"final boss" versions of enemies|| when fighting in|| Erebus? Or did I just really underestimate the health of an elite enemy somehow?||

[stone rune]

do you have bp on

[gray apex]

The latter, they can be super-elite

[umbral shoal]

I have middle management, I dunno what you mean by BP

[stone rune]

benefits package

[umbral shoal]

no

[gray apex]

Elite and Super elite are different

Super elite is the version that Hades spawns

Which has more armor and different attack patterns sometimes

[umbral shoal]

yeah the super elite was what I was talking about, just didn't know they had a name for that

[tall holly]

Me who has like 50 completions with pos sword

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1074478184881471508/image.png

[latent moon]

Reddit moment

[proud nexus]

So uhh
Anyone agree that Alecto's kinda hot

[dire tendon]

wait is zagbow better than chiron

[stone rune]

yes

[dire tendon]

ic

is the bow special just that bad lol

[mint coral]

Is not really that

Just that chiron special locks you in place and doesnt have AoE, so it struggles the most heat you add/how fast you wanna go

Chiro is like the casual weapon tho

Is just easy to get into and easy builds

[proud nexus]

Why is every channel yapping about zagbow v chiron

[latent moon]

it's like only this channel

[proud nexus]

High heat too

But is anyone going to answer my previous question about alecto?

[latent moon]

that was answered in #h1-high-heat-strategies actually lmao

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[proud nexus]

Are you high?
Not what I was asking lmao

[latent moon]

oh i didn't see your question i just assumed that's what it was

[proud nexus]

Nope

Scroll up a lil bit

[latent moon]

oh

well that's just you i suppose

i assumed it was an important question

[proud nexus]

[bright warren]

When you get a duo boon but it’s not the one you want

[bronze oracle]

[sage sphinx]

That's a rip

ayyo ok so what are y'alls favorite gods for Hades spear?

[bronze oracle]

I like aphro on attack for raw damage

[latent moon]

my favorite god for hades spear is using achilles
prob aphrodite because it has the largest % i guess

[sage sphinx]

ayo??? 👀 😳

[stone rune]

wouldn't the aph % stack and be less effective

how is hades buffa pplied

is it global

[latent moon]

uh

not global

i think it's atk and special damage

doesnt include spin

[stone rune]

it says just bonus damage

[sage sphinx]

Yeah it just says bonus

[latent moon]

there's more info when you hover

on the side

[sage sphinx]

I think its global

[latent moon]

it is not global

[stone rune]

oh

yeah it's attack and special

no FDS

[sage sphinx]

ohh yeah u rite

[latent moon]

yeah exactly

[stone rune]

the more the merrier

given that spear is spear

[latent moon]

if it was global then it would actually be good and quick spin would be preferred

[sage sphinx]

hmmm yes this spear is made of spear

[stone rune]

is there ever a reason to actually spin

[sage sphinx]

my favorite hammer for hades is massive spin

it's just so stupid

[rustic vale]

Not global lol

[sage sphinx]

yeah I realized that lolll

[stone rune]

ok but why would you have quick spin

theseus

[rustic vale]

Because it’s a decent cope pick if you don’t see serrated or exploding or charged

[stone rune]

the flurry in question:

[latent moon]

it's kinda telling how somewhat useless the spin is when the preferred hammer for hades spear is explosive launcher

[rustic vale]

Applying hades debuff quicker is good

[stone rune]

oh

i meant in general

[rustic vale]

You can’t get flurry on hades

[rustic vale]

Means less danger for you

[stone rune]

why can you not get flurry on hades

that's weird

[latent moon]

because flurry removes the spin

and hades spear is all about spin

[stone rune]

oh right

[latent moon]

at that point then it'd really be aspectless

[stone rune]

forgot that spin existed

[rustic vale]

Imagine flurry gy

Surely someone has a codex mod vid

[brisk trail]

is flurry slash any good on nem?

[latent moon]

flurry slash isnt good in general

[rustic vale]

Flurry slash is one of the 4 negatively affecting sword hammers

Actively make your sword worse

[stone rune]

the flursed heroic swift strike in question:

[rustic vale]

Zag with flurry and heroic swift strike sounds fun but I’d rather piercing wave over cursed slash

[latent moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/979424462074167376/flurry.mp4

[rustic vale]

That uh

Tf is level 10 doing for swift strike

[latent moon]

lvl 10 swift strike

[rustic vale]

Also what are the commands for hellfirebot nanas

[latent moon]

it's h!

or at least it is for me

could just do h!help

pom scaling is h!ps

[stone rune]

reddit really trying to convince me that chiron is super awesome and way better than zag if you put hangover or chill on the special

[latent moon]

chill

hangover is valid tho

[stone rune]

low tolerance whatever

[sage sphinx]

hangover is so good tho

[rustic vale]

Hangover is great on chiron but it doesn’t make chiron better then zag

[sage sphinx]

I just had a chiron run where I got hangover on special and both ares' and aphro's duos

it was beautiful

[solar vault]

hellfire bot keeps telling me idk man as

[latent moon]

lmfao

does h!help not work

[stone rune]

h!help don't work for me

[bronze oracle]

I’m truly jealous

[latent moon]

okay but what if you get conc volley, epic swift strike, and heart rend

[latent moon]

idk then lmao

[rustic vale]

I’m so confused

[latent moon]

maybe just do !help and see what happens

[stone rune]

swift strike

[latent moon]

oh

close enough

[stone rune]

[latent moon]

just go through a bunch of prefixes and see what works lol

[solar vault]

I was trying pomscaling heartbreak strike

[stone rune]

h!opt makes it tell me that that's not a command and please use h!help

and then i type h!help and nothing

[brisk trail]

what are the 4 negative hammers?

[stone rune]

cursed

[latent moon]

idk then lol

[solar vault]

dash nova

[stone rune]

dash nova

uh

world splitter?

[latent moon]

i just downloaded it in my own server and it's not working so eh

[stone rune]

world splitter and flurry are both only if you mess up right

[rustic vale]

Least to most bad
World splitter, dash nova, flurry and cursed

[rustic vale]

Nope

Only world splitter

[stone rune]

wait

how does flurry screw you in a dstrike

[brisk trail]

am i crazy for kinda liking world splitter then?

[rustic vale]

It removes your dash strike

[stone rune]

wait what

that's wild

[rustic vale]

I’m 99% sure on this one

[stone rune]

oh right i took off codex mod

[rustic vale]

No lol you just aren’t playing optimally which doesn’t have anything to do with what you find enjoyable

[sage sphinx]

i like playing with stupid builds

speaking of

check the builds channel loll

[brisk trail]

you saying flurry or world splitter removes dtrike?

[rustic vale]

I want to know how swift strike scales to see how different that is from an actual heroic swift strike + flurry + zag game

[rustic vale]

Flurry

[brisk trail]

i dont think it does

[rustic vale]

It messes something up

[brisk trail]

i coulda sworn i still had my dash strike after picking it up

[rustic vale]

I’m trying to put my finger on exactly what it changes

[brisk trail]

i think you can double tap and hold to dash strike twice

instead of having to click atk you can just hold and spam dash

i think

[rustic vale]

No no that’s not it

[stone rune]

that's arthur

[brisk trail]

sometimes it does throw out a random attack after dstrike

[rustic vale]

Give me a sec

To compile my brain

[sage sphinx]

oooh which weapon do yall think goes best with demeter?

[brisk trail]

im stupid so dont listen to me 💀

[mint coral]

flurry slash makes so you do a standing strike after a dash strike always

[rustic vale]

Ah

[high island]

You also can't empty-dash right after a standing Attack, you'll get a Dash-Attack instead.

[rustic vale]

Either way puts you in a bad defensive position

[rustic vale]

Who do I @

[stone rune]

hangover damages every 0.5 right

[rustic vale]

Unless you have curse of nausea yeah

So it’s 8 hits over 4 seconds

[brisk trail]

curse of nausea chiron mmmmmm

[rustic vale]

Curse of nausea works out to a 37.5% dps increase compared to low tolerance which is potentially a 60% increase, but getting both is really useful

Also pom your hangover boons to Hades and back because they scale brilliantly

[high island]

Speaking of Hangover, @night rampart do you know if multiple stacks of Hangover count as one hit for god gauge and crits or multiple? m very sure they count as one hit, but haven't verified with recordings.

[rustic vale]

One hit sounds right from what the game shows you for damage numbers

[stone rune]

That shouldn't matter because you should always have Smair because you should always have aphro

[stone rune]

It'll aggregate zeus shield hits

at the very least

[rustic vale]

No but that’s it adding up the damage as it happens

[stone rune]

probably aggregates other things too but that's what came to mind

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t add up hangover numbers over time

It just delivers you one number every period

and it’s probably also less memory heavy to have them all run off the same timer

Especially seeing as multiple sources hangover damage override each other, I figure they probably consolidate the stack hits but idk

I have no clue though

Never taken a look at the code

[brisk trail]

could dio atk and ares dash trigger curse of nausea?

[rustic vale]

Nope

[stone rune]

the game immediately kills you for taking blade dash

[rustic vale]

You need one of the 3 non-duo curses to get curse of nausea

[stone rune]

so unfortunately you cannot get any duos with it

[latent moon]

They got banned here lmfao

After dinner I'll ask them tho

[rustic vale]

curse of agony (strike), curse of pain (special), curse of vengeance (revenge boon, also best of the 3 for getting curse of nausea because it won’t unlock curse of longing or a few other duos etc.)

[stone rune]

for???

[latent moon]

I don't think I'm allowed to elaborate

[rustic vale]

The Super Giant from Super Giant Games had to shut them up for revealing the pom scaling of bronze skin

[stone rune]

[bright warren]

I was watching a video and everyone was talking about “dio flare” on beowulf shield, what’s a dio flare?

[stone rune]

trippy flare

it's dio cast on beo

[bright warren]

Oh ok thank you

That was really confusing me

[rustic vale]

Not speaking of zag sword, do you know if it means it’s getting 15% more hits in/second or the interval is reduced by 15%

[stone rune]

also

the person who said chiron was better than zag is now trying to convince me you can get duos in trial rooms

[rustic vale]

Is this reddit?

[stone rune]

yes

[brisk trail]

am i crazy for slappin dio on dem atk?

[stone rune]

i don't know why i bother

[rustic vale]

Of course it is

[stone rune]

i guess for the sense of righteous superiority

[bronze oracle]

Broo I got my favorite duo from a trial, it instantly sent me back to the house of hades

[rustic vale]

I just avoid the cesspool of misinformation and stupidity

[latent moon]

You can't get duos from trials

[stone rune]

that's precisely what's enticing about it

[rustic vale]

Because I’ve noticed it for more then just Hades subreddit

[bronze oracle]

I know

[rustic vale]

dungeons and dragons 5e subreddit as well

[stone rune]

the idea of seeing people so utterly incorrect

[rustic vale]

Pains me to my very core

I hate it

[bright warren]

I was thinking about dio from jjba, and was thinking it was time stop stuff

[stone rune]

it's like a car crash

[rustic vale]

dio

Dionysius

[stone rune]

can't peel my eyes off it

[brisk trail]

well then, im sorry im here

[high island]

Attack speed and Special speed affect both animation time and cooldown.

[stone rune]

?

[rustic vale]

So

[brisk trail]

bc im constantly wrong 💀

[rustic vale]

it’s like 1.15/0.85 then?

Constantly wrong isn’t the issue

Adamantly and unwilling to change wrong

is the issue

and going on to just continue to spread misinformatikn

[brisk trail]

so as long as i admit how dumb i am we chillin 💀

[rustic vale]

See

It’s fine unless it’s a situation where you adamantly believe 1+1=3 and are going to spread that to other people who don’t know what they’re talking about either

[stone rune]

For instance, authoritatively stating that yes, you can get duos from trials

[bright warren]

Am I the only that finds myself not getting a lot of boons during a run, I mostly get different currencies

[stone rune]

uh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1074522312621174834/image.png

for posterity

[brisk trail]

[slender mist]

HAHAHA

[bright warren]

I would like to apologize for my autocorrect

[stone rune]

WHY WOULD IT AUTOCORRECT TO THAT

LMAO

[slender mist]

autocorrect was out for you

mine does books

so

[bright warren]

I’m very sorry

[mint coral]

Use dark foresight (alt skill of olynpian favor)

[bright warren]

I haven’t unlocked the alt mirror yet

[mint coral]

Rip

[bright warren]

I’ve beat the final boss atleast 5 times and I’m still a major noob

[latent moon]

@stone rune@rustic vale@solar vault
put h!optin in the channel topic

should work once you do that

[latent moon]

do you not talk to people

because you get the other side of the mirror like very early in the game if you talk to nyx

[bright warren]

Nope I talk to people every time I die, do I read what they say no

[latent moon]

well that's on you then

if you do talk to people, then you definitely have the other side of the mirror

[bright warren]

I’ve talked to nyx almost everytime

[latent moon]

yeah so you should have the other side of the mirror

go to your mirror

and click on the box thingy on the left side of the upgrade names

or click on the names themselves

it'll switch the color from purple -> green and it'll have a different name

[bright warren]

I’ll try that, I’m in a run right now

Oh I’ve had it this entire time

[night rampart]

No clue but 1 sounds right

[stone rune]

did a chiron run just to test

wow

that was not fun

ended with lvl16 flourish

[stone rune]

reddit is also saying zeus is the best aspect because they watched that 64 heat video

[latent moon]

i mean they've got a point lmao

not everyone cares about speedrunning

[spring knoll]

Is there some name for the little captions the game sometimes puts in your run records like "100% darkness free run", "Made friends along the way", "Big shopping trip", etc.? Is there a complete list of these somewhere?

[gentle flower]

u can check in the wiki im pretty sure

[solar vault]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Run_Clear_Messages

[gentle flower]

ye

[spring knoll]

ooof. If Chaos ever offers you a boon with -50% dash distance as the penalty. Don't take it.

[lone sable]

If the reward is good enough i'd take it

[spring knoll]

It was +70% attack damage, which is why I took it. The next room was EM3 Theseus. I literally couldn't dodge the minotaur anymore since I had no other move speed bonuses. He hit me with every attack and destroyed me in ~30 seconds. 50% dash length wasn't even faster than normal running.

[lone sable]

I mean if its right before a boss then yeah dont take it

[mint coral]

You can check if you are near a boss room too

Ch12/ch22/ch34 are the last chambers before the last shop in each biome

[lone sable]

Btw the bull run attack is dodganle if you just run in a tight circle tho if you do that for the boss theseus is likely to hit you by the time asterius stops

[silver mica]

A well item that refreshes god keepsakes would be so cool

[high island]

Remember your idea for whenever we get a #hades2-feedback channel.

[brisk trail]

i got a prety good hammer upgrade at the start of my run

i always use the bow with homing special and i got the +4 arrows in special hammer upgrade

[silver mica]

Now all you need is probably the consecutive arrow one or the charged volley one

I haven't completed a run with Chiron yet

I did Hera somehow and I hated it

But I still did it barely lmfao

[brisk trail]

my plan is mostly to level it up get a rapid attack hammer and get pink gal on attack and drunk guy on special

[silver mica]

Fair

Smart

[brisk trail]

it gives free damage from mirror

[bronze oracle]

What do bouldy boons do anyway

[rustic vale]

You can’t get charged volley on chiron

[rustic vale]

Randomly 1-10% boost to attack damage or special damage or cast damage or movespeed or damage reduction or obol gain or 2% ambiguity bonus

[bronze oracle]

Ambiguity?

[rustic vale]

Literally does nothing

[bronze oracle]

Awesome

[brisk trail]

large rock great magical blessings

[silver mica]

I should have expected that lmao

[umbral shoal]

Occasionally Theseus does an attack where he makes the same kind of shockwave the final boss does, I very rarely see this, is there something that triggers it?

[brisk trail]

asterius charges at him

[stone rune]

no

whiops

no

the thing is

[bronze oracle]

Yes

[stone rune]

it can literally change breakpoints

on cp0 an armored fat guy in tart with hestia, the armor takes a power shot and a normal one

more normal ones on cp1/2

if you had like 5% bouldy boost those would go faster

[dense nymph]

I’ve gotta ask this because I’ve had very mixed results with it: Is Smoldering Air good or not?

[plain jackal]

I'm a newb, but I got one of my first clears because of it

[raw herald]

It’s a very good duo boon

With a strong call like Zeus or dio, it’s a lot of DPS

[brisk trail]

love it with poseidon call

[raw herald]

Even without a strong call you still get loads of immunity frames

[tiny pebble]

i got past tarturus for the first time today

[stone rune]

#hades-patch-notes message how did dds look before?

[glad quiver]

that's awesome!

[void vigil]

like first image (level went down when they were depleted), and then like second image

[mint coral]

thats an interesting coin purse there

[void vigil]

yeah a lot of keepsakes used to be different

shawl used to allow you to walk through enemies

but it was not very useful

[mint coral]

huh

ig you just got hit by getting so near to them lol

[void vigil]

then it restored health from darkness pickups, and now it does what it does now

[mint coral]

i can see why purse change too

unless it worked on won runs, just take the keepsake that helps you survive

[void vigil]

it helped me a lot when buying the aphrodite poster, which cost 500 obol and was bought from the well then

[mint coral]

oh i remember hearing that lol

dio poster too no?

[void vigil]

dio poster was not in the game then but achilles poster was

it was cheaper tho

and the scrying pool was as well

[mint coral]

Charon how did you get these things

[vale kite]

oh these images are ANCIENT ancient

[peak carbon]

I'm getting really bad at hades again lol

Haven't won in the last 10 runs easily

[latent moon]

It do be like that

[peak carbon]

Honestly

I'm just gonna take a break

[latent moon]

Breaks are good

[rustic vale]

Literally me playing 40 heat

[latent moon]

Lmao

Are you still grinding it?

[rustic vale]

I started an indefinite break a while ago

[latent moon]

Oh lmfao

Fair enough

[rustic vale]

Got distracted by other games

got work dropped on me

[latent moon]

I wish I could get distracted by other games

[rustic vale]

ngl one of them was fortnite so it’s probably for the worse

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[stone rune]

the day of defeat:source in question:

[rustic vale]

I picked up monster hunter stories 2 and then after that got back into minecraft and fortnite for a bit then hit tft and valorant and now I’m maybe coming back to Hades

[remote iris]

celeste shows trans women can air dash, what does hades show about bisexuals?

bisexuals can die once each time they enter a room

or choose to be able to die thrice in one room

[brisk trail]

hot feet

[remote iris]

couldve been worded better

bisexuals can escape hell for roughly 15 minutes at a time

greatly increased if their mother lives next to hell

[mint coral]

They are really good at fixing relationships

[mint hatch]

Is there any place where I can find seeds for particular kinds of runs and the rng manipulation black magic I need to perform?

[gray apex]

You can find routed savestates and notes in the speedrunning discord, link is pinned in #self-promotion

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/BJnX88JP8nv

[latent moon]

Two top tier aspects lmao

[mint hatch]

Am I imagining things or do bosses drop stuck casts when they enter invulnerabilty phases

[rustic vale]

Casts only stay in an enemy for a certain amount of time

so it makes sense that you’d see it often when they’re in invulnerability phase

[mint hatch]

In that case is it worth it to get quick reload for bosses? Or aim for hyper delivery? I'm trying to get the fastest time.
It's crush shot Hera.

[rustic vale]

Hyper delivery is gonna be better

[mint coral]

Just wall bug dad so you dont need qr

[mint hatch]

My soul aches for ignoring a purple quick reload

[rustic vale]

Eh

It’ll get better

Oneshotting every enemy is going to make you faster (and drop casts faster) then having your casts drop from enemies sooner

[mint hatch]

mafs

[plain jackal]

They do

[rustic vale]

It’s not necessarily going to happen every phase

[latent moon]

if you instaphase bosses, you get your casts back when they're in the invulnerability bubble anyways lol

[rustic vale]

It depends on how long ago you casted

[latent moon]

or wall bug

[rustic vale]

I don’t think all the bosses have a 10 second bubble

do they?

[latent moon]

hera is like a 5 second drop

or it's rather short at least

[mint hatch]

One shot boss phases. Got it

[rustic vale]

Oh true

That’s typical hera for you tbf

[latent moon]

for other cast based weapons, then quick reload can be considered

but for hera it's not too needed

[gray apex]

Epic QR is a very good pick on Hera

[latent moon]

the other option was rush delivery

actually im assuming it was hyper sprint -> rush delivery

if it was greater haste first then i'd take quick reload

but otherwise i'm always gonna pick rd

[half loom]

does it bother anyone else that zagreus is so english

[toxic trellis]

Not bother, necessarily

But it does stick out

[rustic vale]

Zagreus: what’s up you bloody wankers

[mint hatch]

What bothers me is that Zagreus and Skelly are voiced by the same person

[plain jackal]

I definitely thought it was a weird choice

But so is Zelda in botw lol

[toxic trellis]

Nah, multiple characters having the same VA with funny voices is cool

[rustic vale]

Like charon and narrarator

[plain jackal]

Charon has the deepest character development in his dialogue

So I'm glad his voice is on point

[mint hatch]

Yeah, it is. I'm just taken aback is all.

[half loom]

personally i find zags voice kind of annoying

but im biased against english accents so

i cant really fault the voice actor

[stone rune]

time for some tea and crumpets

[mint hatch]

Elysium is such a time dump jesus.
Whenever I get a good time in Asphodel it's quickly invalidated.

[gray apex]

elysium shortest biome tbh

[rustic falcon]

I dislike theseus and his shield

[mint hatch]

Nourished soul doesn't affect lifesteal from guan yu and that one sword hammer right?

[latent moon]

i dont think so

[mint hatch]

Yeah that'd be broken

[rustic vale]

It wouldn’t be broken

[mint hatch]

Yeah

Unironically just don't get hit

[rustic vale]

well

Both cursed slash and gy are pitiful amounts of healing

the +% from nourished soul wouldn’t bring either up to the next number

[mint hatch]

Oh yeah lol

[rustic vale]

Unless Hades deals in decimal places for hp regen which I doubt

Even if it rounded up it still wouldn’t be a good enough boost

Cursed slash would still not be worth it

[stone rune]

wdym

i take cursed every time

[rustic vale]

that

doesn’t say anything about cursed slash’s strength

Like I play as zagreus every time

[stone rune]

it's literally the best hammer

[mint hatch]

Bruh

[stone rune]

give me any other hammer

[mint hatch]

Clearly you haven't tried double edge

[rustic vale]

Double edge

[stone rune]

double edge?

garbo

[rustic vale]

piercing wave

[stone rune]

why would you ever dash strike

[rustic vale]

breaching slash

[mint hatch]

[stone rune]

breaching slash? just meg them

[mint hatch]

WTF

[rustic vale]

Optimal dps rotato potato

[stone rune]

piercing wave? pitiful

[rustic vale]

my favourite sword hammer is charged shot btw

I take it every time

[stone rune]

the dread flight in question:

[mint hatch]

Double edge + World splitter I'd argue is the strongest sword hammer combo

[stone rune]

idk man have you tried hoarding slash

also what world splitter

[mint hatch]

I haven't really tried it. I prefer to spend my gold.

[stone rune]

or flurry slash]

flurry slash is awesome

[mint hatch]

I'm addicted to dash striking so I wouldn't know

[stone rune]

dash nova too

i'm a big fan of dash nova

[mint hatch]

Garbage

[stone rune]

what

best hammer

[mint hatch]

It adds zero damage potential to your build.

Scratch that, it has negative damage potential

[stone rune]

what

it's the best sword dps hammer

[mint hatch]

Feather duster is the best keepsake

[stone rune]

no

distant memory

[mint hatch]

TIL pomming aphro call doesn't increase the damage

[latent moon]

why would you want world splitter

[mint hatch]

You know, Guan yu isn't bad.
If you're on a modded run that is and are sitting on 400 hp

[mint coral]

modded gy is comfy

guaranteed charged skewer

[latent moon]

me who just guaranteed quick spin:

[mint hatch]

It increases base attack damage?

So dash strikes deal more

[latent moon]

is that how that works?

i doubt it

[mint coral]

if only thats how it worked

[mint hatch]

Bruh

[latent moon]

dash strikes are their own separate thing

sorta

it's weird

atk modifiers also affect dash strikes

[mint hatch]

I thought they scaled off of base attack damage

[latent moon]

but certain stuff doesnt work

[stone rune]

no

even under that logic

world splitter is the chop

[mint hatch]

What?

[stone rune]

world splitter base only applies to chop, standing attack

[rustic vale]

no it literally just changes your standing strike

[stone rune]

same way shadow slash doesn't apply to dashstrike

but making more sense

because it'd be weird to be able to put out 180 damage that quickly

[stone rune]

or cursed slash

[rustic vale]

dash strikes have a seperate base damage number then standing strikes

[rustic vale]

I think you mean dash

[woeful trout]

THEY DO?

[stone rune]

oh

yeah

[rustic vale]

yes

[woeful trout]

I didn’t take attack modifiers in dash strike stuff

Because I thought it didn’t

[mint coral]

even more funny, dash strike affects the dash upper from fists

[stone rune]

you thought like strike didn't apply???

[rustic vale]

it's in the name

boons affecting your strike will affect your dash strike

the same cannot be said for each strike affecting hammer

[stone rune]

i feel like that would make dstrikes absolutely saulk

if you were stuck with literally 30 base

or whatever

[rustic vale]

I mean

yes

dash-strikes would be less good if standing strike +% didn't affect them

[stone rune]

imagine if nem boost only applied to standing strikes

[mint coral]

ew

[rustic vale]

tbh

that would make it worse than zag sword I think

because at least with zag sword you can get a bonus if you find rush delivery

[stone rune]

well yeah it's unaspected vs like a bit extra whatever

[wicked swan]

Finally fixed my hades

I can play again W

[latent moon]

better rd lol

and considering nearly every speedrun is based around getting rd, that extra damage is gonna come in handy

not to mention all the small time saves from just being faster in general, which would add up

[latent moon]

imagine if you dash striked with ME and it didn't put doom on an enemy lmao

that would make ME a lot worse considering not many, if any, ME aspects actually do standing strikes

zeus shield would probably be the only exception

[stone rune]

would fists be that much worse

[white path]

My file select screen says I have 4444 Darkness
My boon info says I have 4345.
When I reset the mirror, I have 4369.

Can anyone explain?

[latent moon]

it would make it a lot slower tbf

[white path]

wait boon info is darkness spent. I did have 24 leftover, so that part checks out

[white path]

but where is 4444 from?

[latent moon]

is there a contractor upgrade that costs darkness

nope

idk then lmao

well there is one

but it wouldnt apply here

[white path]

Does it cost precisely 75?

[latent moon]

no it's a couple thousand

[white path]

ah
yeah I can't even see that yet

[latent moon]

oh did you trade any from the broker

wait does he even do anything with darkness

oh 3 keys for 25 darkness

if you bought that 3 times that would explain it

[white path]

huh

[latent moon]

limited offer from the broker

[white path]

yeah I would take that trade whenever

[latent moon]

yeah that would explain it

you bought it a couple times, so it'll count towards your darkness count

[white path]

Thanks!

[mint coral]

500 darkness for ambrosia too

[woeful trout]

In my defense it’s really misleading when chaos gives both attack and dash strike buffs

[latent moon]

Fair

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/BJnX88JP8nv
Might've sent this already but I thinl I forgor to include the previous scores
So:
Aspect of Zagreus 25.57% (89 votes)
Aspect of Hades 74.43% (259 votes)

[bronze oracle]

Should I fight Charon for 300

He killed me

[gentle flower]

rip 💀

[rustic vale]

Charon fight 💪

[white path]

3 options
Eurydice
Hermes
Zeus + Artemis

on the one hand, double boon
On the other hand
Eurydice's song

[rustic vale]

In order of value
Eurydice
Hermes
Magma bath
Trial

[white path]

lmao

[rustic vale]

Eurydice good because she’s a free room and gives you a good buff to your next 3 boon pick-ups, hermes because hermes, trials are time consuming for not enough benefit

[latent moon]

the only benefit would be if you need UC fodder

or ME

[rustic vale]

The support boons for ME*

[latent moon]

or one of them is zeus and zeus is one of your core gods and you need more zeus stuff

[latent moon]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Zeus !> hermes

[white path]

I don't care about time, and I struggle to see how hermes is better than 2 gods who he should be equal to each.
Eurydice is nice though

[stone rune]

hermes is ebtter than god

[latent moon]

hermes can ramp up your damage a lot

[rustic vale]

Hermes isn’t equal to them

[latent moon]

or just general survivability

treat hermes like hammers

[white path]

Interesting

[stone rune]

you only get 2

for a reason

[rustic vale]

3* if you 50:50 in styxp

[stone rune]

so fun

[latent moon]

Getting more dashes from hermes or hyper sprint -> rush delivery is incredibly strong and useful

[stone rune]

treasure your dashes

[rustic vale]

The extra survivability and damage from greatest reflex or hyper sprint -> rush delivery is way more value then trials 99% of the time

[stone rune]

greater reflex is a privilege and should be appreciated greatly

[rustic vale]

Greater reflex is the mirror upgrade

[stone rune]

yes

[rustic vale]

It

Had next to nothing to do with the conversation

[stone rune]

sorry

[rustic vale]

?

I’m just saying it doesn’t really make sense

to bring up

[stone rune]

dashes

[rustic vale]

fair

[stone rune]

holy shield hell mode

so

why is miniboss duo % lower

but not yarn

or is yarn too

[latent moon]

wdym

[stone rune]

i heard duo chance is lower in miniboss rooms

[latent moon]

it is

[stone rune]

why

[latent moon]

but what does that have to do with yarn

[latent moon]

it's increased rarity for rares/epics

[stone rune]

don't miniboss and yarn do same thing

upgrade rarity

[latent moon]

yarn improves duos/legendary chance

[stone rune]

weird

and so part of the extra rare/epic chance infringes on part of the duo chance?

[latent moon]

i guess

well not really considering how boon rarity stuff works

(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

it rolls for duos before the other stuff

so like

it doesn't technically infringe?

also you can check all the rarity rates with hellfire

[stone rune]

which doesnt work

in my server

[latent moon]

i thought i told you the solution for that

[stone rune]

i have a bad memory

[latent moon]

i pinged you for it lmao

[stone rune]

uh

[latent moon]

like a few days ago at this point

oh nvm it was yesterday

[stone rune]

what's a keyword

[latent moon]

damn i thought it was longer

h!optin

[stone rune]

channel topic?

[latent moon]

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[stone rune]

ohhh]

[latent moon]

it's called topic in the UI iirc

[stone rune]

wild

thanks

[latent moon]

should work once you do that

[stone rune]

yep

what is up with different league and bronze skin

[latent moon]

best boons

[pine silo]

i saw in the 2v1 fight one of the shades hangs a banner with zag's face on it

[latent moon]

my homie supportive shade

make sure to thank him after the fight

[stone rune]

we always greet supportive shade