h1-discussion

[stone rune]

pathetic

whimpering

maybe hazard bomb

ofc

[high island]

Win-streaking is staying in your comfort zone.

[stone rune]

i'll get to dad on 64 heat first try no sweat

[stone rune]

i did have 2 near death experiences

[high island]

Staying in Tartarus forever resetting so you never have to face your slow IGT victory screen is the speedrunner comfort zone.

[stone rune]

actually 3 now i think of it

[high island]

Ti'zo seems to have fallen asleep.

[stone rune]

so real for this

i lost all dds on my first 32 heat and i was on 2 hp for my first 40 heat and i passed the deadline that time i did the obol challenge

[latent moon]

sounds like a festive idea i'm gonna try tonight

gonna cry when i get to fists tho

and spear

[stone rune]

oh yeah fists exist

[latent moon]

it's still fists

[native blade]

What heat?

[latent moon]

32x6 is 32 heat, 6 weapons

it prob wont be a big deal but still pain

might just go for ME but force explosive upper because that's my back up plan if nothing goes right lmao

[signal aspen]

32 weapons 6 heat

[native blade]

Lel.

[latent moon]

true

should be easy

[stone rune]

32x24 except it's actually 32x16

maybe 17

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064732967383093289/1066909569009324062/IMG_4998.png

[noble pulsar]

Pretty new to this game, If there's only six weapons what are the other three weapon pedestals for

Ah okay

Really liking the game (:

[manic vine]

Nice :>

[wispy hound]

Did you beat it ten times already?

Not trying to gatekeep here, it's just so you avoid spoilers in this channel

[noble pulsar]

No this is my first playthrough

[wispy hound]

I advice you go to #h1-for-new-players

This game is best experienced blind

Lots of things to discover, don't get that ruined for yourself

[stone rune]

has this game had any major cheating scandals in speedruns

[rustic vale]

Not to my knowledge

Should probably ask that question to the actual Hades speedrunning discord though

[mint coral]

For heat you have Damue, ig

But it didnt reach too far in terms of peopme knowing

More like
"Hey what happened to his vids"
"He cheated and got caught so he deleted them"

[wispy hound]

What cheats does one use on hades?

Disabling hitboxes? More damage?

[narrow ingot]

i want to see hades played by two people holding switch joycons trying to coordinate

[latent moon]

i think something similar has been done before? i dont remember but i thought i heard about it at some point

[narrow ingot]

i want to experience it vicariously. don’t have friends

[latent moon]

could change game files for better crit rates, rarities, idk what else

[narrow ingot]

can’t find anythinggg

[mint coral]

From what i remember it was subtle things like crit rate, probably god pool.

[wispy hound]

How lame, if you are going to cheat do something flashier

Actually, I will just do it myself

[mint coral]

People have also be caught by basically pixels of a screenshot lol

[latent moon]

well the idea is to not get caught lmao

[mint coral]

Someone was using an infinity reroll mods and pseudo barely saw it

[wispy hound]

The speedrunning community is relentless

[latent moon]

wait that's so based lmfao

[narrow ingot]

where is the slowrunning community

[latent moon]

this community

[mint coral]

Or people calling out on someone doing a flawless run and the only dmg they took was a chaos gate

[wispy hound]

That's the 100% community

[mint coral]

Or someone asking what was the heat wr for talos (i think) then suddenly beating it

[latent moon]

lmfao

[mint coral]

With awful screenshot that didnt show the build, only the heat

[latent moon]

kinda based ngl

[narrow ingot]

hades beaten with one hand and one foot challenge

[latent moon]

it was beaten with 1 hand

[narrow ingot]

but the foot..

[latent moon]

i mean that'd just make it easier lmao

just put like, dash on a foot pedal

[mint coral]

Was searching for the rerolls one but just saw that "subtle" is missguided lol

Acording to pseudo damue altered crit rate was going into 50% lol

[latent moon]

bruh lmfao

was it nem?

base crit rate is like 30%, arty atk is 15% on top?

[narrow ingot]

hades try not to fish challenge

[mint coral]

I honestly dont remember

He got 60 on a lot of things

Dem/nem/luci/zag shield

[latent moon]

oh bruh lmao

at that point then it's bad

[mint coral]

Prob was zag shield cuz according to him aphro couldnt do enough dmg

[latent moon]

oh wait that's what you meant

[narrow ingot]

hades while driving at 130 km/hr challenge

[latent moon]

wack

[narrow ingot]

hades only feet run

hades pacifist run

hades echolocation run

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1016088422009557093/IMG_7905.png

There

You barely can see the inf symbol above the gold lol

[latent moon]

lmfao

[stone rune]

wow this seems like an opening for me

get some xander556 on your side and you'd be unstoppable

i mean these things dont even have mic audio

i 100% totally have the prowess to fake a run

cause im like

so good

i mean after 1024 heat nothing can really stop you right

[rustic vale]

Lmao I just got memories of winning mario kart 8 grand prix with my friend while sharing joycons

[stone rune]

Mario Kart!!!! 😃 .... Eight!!!! ba do ba da da da 🤮

[rustic vale]

Tbf
It was only fun because we were sharing the joycons

The absurdity of it

The winning while sharing it

[torpid flower]

Yall, which attack boon should I couple Aspect of Arthur with?

[stone rune]

heartbreak strike

[torpid flower]

Kk

[carmine wraith]

booted up bastion after 8 years and my weapons were repeater and calamity cannon 💀

I've been an eris spammer since before it was cool apparently

[torpid flower]

Was thinking doing Demeter's attack or Artemis attack. Maybe ill do those later when I get the Sword darkness bonus again lol. It's gonna be Aphro this time

[stone rune]

arty can work

dem is fine if you like chill

but it'll apply slowly

and it's a percentage notch down from aph

she has highest percentage

[calm saddle]

I'm tryna get 2 boons from Athena for the prophecies rewards

does spamming give up change your rng?

[chrome heath]

Nope

Give up does not reset the seed

Which means you'd still get same first boon with same options

[calm saddle]

is there

any other

fast way

to reset seed

except cheating

[chrome heath]

Die I guess

[calm saddle]

ok

[latent moon]

i forgot beo iframes dont work when flares are popping so i died to heroes

[tired karma]

The garden is gorgeous
It feels good to chill there after a win

[native blade]

Honestly.

Keep a save there cuz late game u might miss it.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1018014844538077236/1067008151901179935/image.png?width=1246&height=701

Okay this is hilarious.

Why do u not get bounties after this tho?

Kinda cring engl.

[chrome heath]

I guess so that you can begin the progressive climb with whichever weapon you want

[void vigil]

bounties at 0 and bounties 1-20 are separate

[tired karma]

There's a mod to see it all the time

[void vigil]

and bounties don’t go over 20 presumably so most people can comfortably get all of them without having to get to really high heat

[calm saddle]

who are Meg's parents?

[void vigil]

from googling it says the erinyes’ parents are gaia and uranus

[chrome heath]

They were born off the blood of Ouranos that fell on the earth

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1036374758385791087/1067021564329086976/image.png?width=1246&height=701

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1036374758385791087/1067023663200739378/image.png

[brisk trail]

I wish there were more achievements

[native blade]

Same

[brisk trail]

They were my only reason to keep playing after the epilogue

[native blade]

Well…

Mods…

[brisk trail]

I find most mods cringe

I just can’t stand original character stuff

I despise it

[native blade]

Damn, welp fair enough.

[brisk trail]

Indeed

[native blade]

Do mods have mod achievements too anyone?

[high island]

Might wanna ask in the Hades Modding discord. Pinned in #self-promotion.

[tired karma]

Many side stories go after the epilogue
And the sheer fun you get from different builds

[tired karma]

Didn't like olymlus extra

[native blade]

Really?

[tired karma]

Yeah

Found both gods boring

And they only lowered my chances to get merciful end build on my speed runs so I deleted the mod lol

[native blade]

Damn, Theseus really is your spirit animal huh?

[brisk trail]

What did you call me?

[tired karma]

I only found 2 useful mods so far

Pony's quality of life and Persephone's garden

[brisk trail]

True I did expect her garden to change over time

“Isn’t this garden lovely Zagreus” not really mum

[tired karma]

First one lets you get blood from previous heat lvls at the same time instead of doing it one by one

So for example if my highest heat on sword was 3 and now I do 20 then I would get blood from 4-20 when I finish it
Instead of just from 20

Same for other bounties

[native blade]

Send em over pls.

[native blade]

@high island I get that and as much as I come off like it I’m not an anti-meta contrarian. I’ve listened to a lot of advice they even given me and honestly I wouldn’t complain about anything like Thick Skin, Shadow Presence, Greater Reflex, Cthonic Blood, Infernal Soul and Dark Foresight.

But not everyone is playing for speedruns or high heat, I’d even argue the majority aren’t and so if I think there’s an alternative to the meta build and a new player actually gets the meta build first then I don’t get the issue suggesting an alternative for them to try out if they want to. It’s not gonna hurt them, they can switch anytime.

I just don’t like that every time I suggest the slightest thing different from the meta it’s treated like a war crime especially when the non-meta things aren’t even that bad, they’re just not the best.

Rant over.

[raw herald]

What did nyaanyaa say

[rustic vale]

What happened lol

[native blade]

Just the regular dumb meta vs non meta argument.

[rustic vale]

I mean if you’re going to hand someone a non-meta build I’d likely stress the fact that it wasn’t the meta just to make sure they don’t go off thinking that

[native blade]

She was just saying Fated Persuasion is objectively better than Fated Authority considering practicality. (Which I agree with btw) I was just getting some resentment that was building off my chest.

[high island]

Can check #h1-for-new-players for context.

[rustic vale]

It is objectively better though and we’ve had this convo many a time

[native blade]

Lel.

[rustic vale]

I stay away from #h1-for-new-players because I don’t trust myself to not spoil things

[native blade]

I literally agreed in the same paragraph bro, this is what I’m talking about.

[native blade]

Lel.

Drunken Dash: “oh yeah, you guys see that sick Demeter build Hades kill I just pulled off? Too bad Persephone wasn’t there amirite? Lmao”

[rustic vale]

Something about hangover

Oh

I sent a victory screen because I had confused it for #h1-discussion

that’s what happened
Now I don’t enter there anymore

[native blade]

Lel.

Thousands were spoiled that day, the casualties were irrecoverable, from that day onward it was called the [insert funny pun here]

[rustic vale]

I hope it was only the 2 and no more then that

[waxen garnet]

Apologies for butting in, but I'd argue that a metagame is simply what the playerbase knows works best in context within a given game's confines and also within the playerbase's collective knowledge about the game's mechanics; saying it more universally as I have more experience with Magic the Gathering, Mortal Kombat, and League of Legends than Hades, but it is still a universal concept.

In short, to prove something might be better; test it out and see how it all works. Be scientific and experiment.

Now if you'll excuse I'm going to tey to fught EM4 with Shackle Trinket

[native blade]

[native blade]

LEZZZ GOOOO!!!!

[high island]

From what I saw, the chat in #h1-for-new-players derailed into an argument yet again because you were (1) denying that it was better, (2) making false equivalencies between the two mirror talents, (3) telling people they were using Authority "wrong", (4) making frankly ignorant claims about Persuasion, and (5) dismissing meta as niche with no relevance to newer players based entirely on the fact high level players use meta strategies, which is not a logically valid argument.

If you find yourself frequently at odds with some of the very best Hades players in the world...

[torpid flower]

Which choice? Chaos, Hammer, or Dionysus/Artemis God trial

[high island]

Other things being equal, trials have more value. But it really depends a lot on what your current build is and how far you are into the run.

[torpid flower]

I'm like after mini boss in Tartarus

I'm planning like a Crit Arthur build. Not sure if I should Hammer. But then again, Hammer gonna show up again eventually. Imma do trials

[high island]

I'd probably go for Chaos Gate and hope for a Strike boon. Trial doesn't offer too much value there.

Crits want more bonus damage from Master Chaos a lot more than they want more Lady Artemis boons.

[native blade]

I feel like there’s a lot from the other side that was ignored. A lot of those statements were made cuz they were trashing Authority while neglecting that just cuz Persuasion is better doesn’t mean Authority is trash. And the argument for high heat, speedrun argument was because they kept mentioning how viable stuff were at high heat or speed-running while neglecting that most new players are at low heat and generally don’t care about speed-running.

[native blade]

I ain’t tryna beef but it’s like I can’t say anything other than what they say.

[raw herald]

whaaa

[thorny mirage]

what is up happy people

oh we’re not so happy rn

nectar in these trying times

[torpid flower]

Yeah im not scrolling up in that channel to see the argument lol. And why are we arguing in the channel that's for new players

[native blade]

A newbie made the mistake of asking Fated Authority vs Fated Persuasion with me and vets around.

in these trying times.

[gray apex]

I mean tbh that's what's happening

Maybe if you didn't give your opinions as facts it would tone it down a little, experienced people are only gonna start arguments when you mislead other players

[native blade]

#h1-for-new-players message

[gray apex]

Yea the message above that

[rustic vale]

Yikes

[native blade]

I don’t try to state my opinions as facts, you just treat them like it.

[native blade]

Bro asked a question and I answered, then I gave corroborating data. How is that misleading?

#h1-for-new-players message

This is y’all’s response btw.

[gray apex]

ugh forget it

going back and forth with you is exhausting

[native blade]

Fair enough.

Is that…?

[bright sundial]

'I’m willing to agree to a: it depends on how you play but there’s no way you’re gonna tell me Fated Persuasion is objectively better' did kinda sound like you weren't agreeing

[rustic vale]

“The only profit is that you can reroll empty wells into full ones.” Lmao intro: chaos, hermes, and pools of purging, and not empty wells

[native blade]

True, I’ll take the L there.

I just meant that Authority isn’t trash.

It has its benefits.

[thorny mirage]

I forgot I changed my nick to back for a bit and I didn’t ever change it back

[native blade]

Lel.

[high island]

It's misleading that when you recommended Fated Authority, you left out the fact that 100% of high level players recommend Persuasion 100% of the time except when doing meme runs.

[native blade]

I was quite salty at the Autho bashing. I ain’t gonna lie.

[rustic vale]

and using persuasion is not high level use exclusively

[chrome heath]

It's amazing for fates list completion too

[native blade]

Is that something I need to mention when a new player asks a non loaded question? Especially when the vet’s just have to and did just send over the meta build.

[thorny mirage]

ye olde persuasion v authority
“Optimal” vs “Fun”
Man

[rustic vale]

I don’t think it really does you much good because the odds you authority into something you want is 📉📉📉📉

[native blade]

I can only speak for my own experience. And It really makes no sense arguing from that pov.

[thorny mirage]

Authority locks rolls behind the gold v silver laurels right

Like you can’t roll a god door into darkness right

[native blade]

Ye, they have seperate pools.

[rustic vale]

Arguing from which pov

[native blade]

Mine of a meme runner.

[thorny mirage]

[native blade]

Lel.

[thorny mirage]

I don’t think you should be helping new players in the headspace of a meme runner

[rustic vale]

Exactly

[native blade]

I wasn’t though, those are separate arguments.

[thorny mirage]

amyways I’m busy

being In tired pain

[native blade]

Authority isn’t bad, just less good.

[high island]

If you don't want to be misleading, then yes, you do need to mention that. And then others won't need to jump in and add that info.

[waxen garnet]

Well ... part of being objectively better is that there is an objective to work towards and thus if one alternative is better all the time than another for accomplishing that objective.

And the objective of any run is to escape. Which ... is a really open-ended as there are so many other factors to account for.

Personally, Im more of a fan of Persuasion myself ever since I started using UC more, but at the same time, I feel like a Hangover build might make the best use of Authority since Hangiver scales well with Poms, and getting Premium Vintage along with the Contractor buff that adds Pom slices to Nectar makes Nectar so much more valuable.

[native blade]

Get sum schleep back.

[rustic vale]

Well then why instantly put it down for a new player who asks

[thorny mirage]

nah I just woke up at 6:30 for a 7:30 class that I was late to anyways

[native blade]

I will from now on
BUT
I mean I don’t have an issue with them adding info, which is all they need to fix any misinformation anyway. The gatekeeping is my issue.

[high island]

"Bad" is subjective, but when an option is used 0% of the time outside of meme context, I'd say that's about as bad as it gets.

[native blade]

There’s two options and both of them can win a run.

I just don’t see the need to annex it.

[thorny mirage]

something something boonless

[chrome heath]

Dude, anything can win a run

[native blade]

Exactly my point.

Mentioning it shouldn’t be a problem.

[bright sundial]

So you could just as well recommend just ignoring the mirror at that point

[high island]

There’s two options and both of them can win a run.
That's not what people are asking when they ask for help in choosing the better option.

[rustic vale]

hangover also really scales with global additive (rush delivery) and low tolerance and curse of nausea so persuasion is actually more useful for getting those then the “maybe it’ll hit hangover” random pom nectars

[chrome heath]

The takeaway here is don't just give data, give context/reason

[native blade]

But is anyone here asserting that?

[high island]

I can do boonless mirrorless. I ain't gonna recommend a new player to play boonless mirrorless as a build.

[native blade]

I will.

[rustic vale]

Playing with boons or boonless is an option an both can win a run

[native blade]

But that’s a false equivalency.

[high island]

No, it isn't a false equivalency.

[native blade]

Boonless is not equitable to Authority. It’s like comparing petty theft to murder.

[rustic vale]

definitely didn’t just look up false equivalency it isn’t a false equivalency

[thorny mirage]

not the point

The point is saying that “anything can win a run” isn’t helpful when someone asks for help on the better option

[native blade]

At the end if the day I’ll give more context when saying stuff, but I shouldn’t get shot down for mentioning something different.

[rustic vale]

You’ll get shot down if you put it out like it’s fact

[native blade]

They asked which one, I stated my opinion and then gave a clarification after.

[raw herald]

I shoot down everyone regardless if they’re right or not 😈

[native blade]

I just said it, that’s it.

[chrome heath]

See it as being overwhelmingly disagreed with

[rustic vale]

clarify before rather then later

[native blade]

Lel, a true member of chaos.

[native blade]

I will from now on.

[thorny mirage]

I hope you never meet Santa Claus

[native blade]

Pfft.

[rustic vale]

Can confirm, hades II best keepsake has shot me on several occasions

[native blade]

So we’re cool rii? I just need to explain what they better choice is before stating an alternative.

[native blade]

Ha.

[high island]

Maybe instead of looking at it as "being shot down", you can just look at it as people trying to explain things to you and to others who might read the chat.

And while I don't agree with the tone in some of the replies to you in that argument earlier, I can't quite blame vets for getting frustrated with a new player who frequently argues with them and seemingly refuses to budge even once, even telling vets they're doing this wrong or using that wrong.

[native blade]

I can see it from another perspective yeah.

You’re a good one Nya.

[rustic vale]

Nope

Beo can

[high island]

Escape RT95's wrath by making claims so misinformed and illogical they're not even wrong.

[raw herald]

Aspect of Artemis isn’t the worst boon in the underworld

[rustic vale]

Fated authority is objectively better than myrmidon bracer

[high island]

A good try, but that one doesn't qualify as not even wrong. It's a true statement.

[native blade]

The earth is a 4th dimensional construct.

[native blade]

Pffft.

[native blade]

Ayo Taka, I missed the war lol.

Wait…

U did, lol.

[waxen garnet]

That's actually fair, though those are only three Boons that arent affected by Poms, so going for Poms with a bare minimum of 1 active boon each for Dio, Aphro, and Ares means that Poms are guaranteed to hit Dio unless using AP, and even with another active boon you could also sell rhe Ares boon after getting the Curse of Nausea since it doesnt do anything for Doom.

... that all theorycrafting aside, I do concede that Persuasion for Hangover due to selling and desire for duos. I was just thinking in terms of maximization; each pom on a hangover boon is the equivalent of +40 damage at max stacks; +91~ with Aphro and Ares duos. global buffs will just make each point even better

[waxen garnet]

I am a slow typer and have little access to net due to phone vill being overdue

[high island]

While Hangover does scale well with poms, at some point you want other things more than you want more poms on it.

[native blade]

F, gl on that man.

I use Mom Pom, does that help?

[high island]

Read that in Lord Dionysus's voice and it's perfectly in character. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/1067079768098480250/Screenshot_2023-01-23-14-53-41-83_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg

[native blade]

Lmao, you're right, I didn't even realise.

[carmine quiver]

hey, where does the decorative theme from the contractor apply?

[native blade]

On your boon list and Victory Screen.

[high island]

Pom Blossom can be really good in Tartarus if you're doing a Cast build without committing to any specific Cast, and you just want to build around whatever Cast you find first. But then you'd switch to something else after Tartarus to help you build around that Cast.

And hoping at least two of those three level-ups you get from Pom Blossom in Tartarus hit your Cast.

[native blade]

Ahhh, but what if I use Mom Pom the whole run?

[carmine quiver]

aight

[high island]

There's never a build that needs that many poms, and you're losing control of your build and all that.

[torpid flower]

Me using an artifact that I want the boon for my weapon for in tartarus and Pom blossom for the rest of the run:

[high island]

Pom Blossom is a bit of a newbie trap in that... it's not bad, but they really overrate it. It can be good for Cast builds like that, if you just want to build around whatever Cast you find first... or maybe if you want to reset for a boon that benefits a lot from early poms. But other than that, it has its uses if you want to optimize your build for the run, but it's very situational.

But it's certainly far from virtually useless like some other keepsakes are.

[native blade]

Control? isn’t it a net positive?

[native blade]

Myridion Bracer getting mad shade rn lol.

[toxic trellis]

I guess losing control in this case means “losing control of what boons get upgraded;” how certain ones might get the boost instead of more other, more vital boons

[high island]

Myrmidon Bracer can be decent in very high eHP builds with lots of damage reduction lol. Also very situational.

[toxic trellis]

Maybe?

I dunno

[waxen garnet]

I think the scaling with poms is pretty bad overall (I only brought up the Dio example as it has been a meme build on my mind and part of me wants to number crunch); MomPom is better the less boons you have that it can hit though, so using it the whole run can be awkward

[toxic trellis]

I’m kinda talking out of my ass on most high-level Hades stuff

[high island]

more vital boobs—@toxic trellis, 2023

[toxic trellis]

You never saw that.

[waxen garnet]

Mood; I troll myself and learn still

[native blade]

But then I can get poms for those, I always considered that it’s biggest benefit cuz I only really chose Poms over Hearts tbh.

[toxic trellis]

Anyhow, usually I pick Talos fists, blossom, Battie, whatever heat I feel like, and work from there

Do I learn anything? Sometimes, but it’s not a guarantee

Do I have fun? Usually

[torpid flower]

Maxed out Aspect of Arthur with Heartbreak strike be like

[native blade]

This man, he’s a fellow pro enjoyer

[native blade]

When u get pp up to 10% proc

[high island]

No no. Control in like say you start Pom Blossom, you get Crystal Beam as your first Cast. Now the optimal route is to take Adamant Arrowhead into Asphodel in order to get Crystal Beam. If you keep the Pom Blossom on, you can't guarantee that she shows up. And the value of the poms also decrease over time, especially as Pom Blossom is random. And the poms you find naturally in the rest of your run will be plenty.

[torpid flower]

Yall ever got the Druken Thundering Blizzard (Festive Fog with both Duo boons from Zeus and Demeter) ? I had one run and it was fun lol

[high island]

Yup.

[native blade]

That’s true, but honestly I go into every run with the confidence that I can win, I’m just calculating how fun I should make that win.

[toxic trellis]

Had one or the other, but never both; sounds crazy

[native blade]

Oh hell yeah

[waxen garnet]

Speaking of Battie, I really want to test how much of a difference there between her and Mort in terms of reliability, but I have no idea how to set up an experiement that would be consistent

[native blade]

It’s insane.

[high island]

Hmmm, well. Turn off god mode and do 32 Heat and see if you have that confidence.

I'd also say Crystal Beam without Crystal Clarity or Cold Embrace isn't very fun.

[native blade]

Mort is pretty reliable the start of the boss fight.

[native blade]

WHY YOU GOTTA EXPOSE ME LIKE THIS?!???

[torpid flower]

How in the world do you even work cold embrace lol. I could never get it too work

[toxic trellis]

I’ve found that Mort usually sticks closer to the middle of any given chamber, and Battie’s more of a varied spread in terms of space (obviously)

Just speaking from my experiences, of course

[chrome heath]

Battie is also faster

Some bosses move or jump around, or are spread out

Namely bombers, hydra heads even in em2, and heroes

Mort deals more damage, sure, but you want to break armour usually, so Battie is enough

[toxic trellis]

^^^

[bitter zealot]

i like antos honestly

[chrome heath]

My fave is Bouldy

I love heal on demand

And the extra gold

Shady i mean

[toxic trellis]

I saw a friend cheese EM3 Theseus by getting him stuck behind Shady’s drops

As in, the darkness and coin were stopping him from moving

[chrome heath]

That too

Though i more frequently sabotages me

Blocking my attacks

[high island]

https://i.imgur.com/d4sJQ6Q.png

Does that help?

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/nanami-kiryuu-laugh-anime-laugh-nanami-utena-utena-gif-24993693

[torpid flower]

Yeah....imma stick with Crystal Clarity

[sour fog]

The only time I would take Cold Embrace would be for prophecy

[silver mica]

I feel like I can only use it against bosses

Not including Lernie

[high island]

Well, if you want to get better at using it, there's a guide.

[silver mica]

For now I'll stick with just trying to create builds that work with my playstyle

I used aspect of demeter for the first time yesterday

I boosted it to Lv. 3 first

But woah it's pretty good

[native blade]

I’ll have you know that I only ever started God Mode when I started em 4. So ha!

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sure-catbruh-gif-21408636

[tired karma]

Using god mode is a crime

[analog elbow]

???

[silver mica]

Mildly annoying that I'm now more consistent at fighting charon than beating the rest of the game

[craggy pine]

So far I haven’t resorted to God Mode but I am still working my way through 5 heat with each weapon

[silver mica]

I almost died to Theseus and I am very scarred

Demeter's aid is no joke

L zagreus

Slipping on a banana peel

[lone sable]

does jolted stack with itself?

[silver mica]

Aight lemme try another guan yu run

[silver mica]

I don't think so

[lone sable]

good to know

[craggy pine]

I like the one where he dies by merely contemplating all his previous deaths.

Though the pollen allergy was also pretty funny

[silver mica]

Prince of the Underworld, Slayer of Hades

Dies to mountain goat

[hollow granite]

Hi i need some help on the bonding in the game

[silver mica]

I don't think I've seen that one

[craggy pine]

I think it generally involves giving them nectar and ambrosia

Sometimes they want you to do something else first

[hollow granite]

I miss 6 bonds and it feels like I can't forge them, like the game forgot about those

1. i got autograph for hypnos and he already improved his work quality but the bond is still locked
2. dusa is fully bonded but i got no badge and no convo about ambrosia
3. patroclus never does anything

[craggy pine]

Did you reunite Pat with his best buddy?

[silver mica]

Died to Charon

[hollow granite]

I didn't

Neither of them talk abt each other anymore

And they are maxed with nectar

There's also demeter not unlocking ambrosia giving even after the epilogue

And because of dusa Aphrodite is locked too

[craggy pine]

I think you have to do a thing with Nyx and the house contractor to get Pat his friend back

[hollow granite]

Yea well, it doesn't appear in the list

You need to hear the dialogue from them first but they just won't say it

[craggy pine]

If you have other stuff going on with Nyx you probably have to wait until that stuff is done

[hollow granite]

Nope, she's maxed as well

Oh and also i can't get death defiance boon from chaos, its literally the only boon I've never taken out of ALL (duo too)

[latent moon]

it's quite hard to get lmao

[craggy pine]

Eventually you should have a conversation with Dusa where she will talk to you in private. That has to happen before you get the ambrosia back

[hollow granite]

Thats not happening for some reason, she's just flying around the house and doesn't even have any convos left

[silver mica]

Maybe try using her feather duster

?

[hollow granite]

Like do a run with it?

Its maxed btw

[latent moon]

feather duster shouldn't help lmao

if anything it would add random dialogue into her pool

[silver mica]

I feel like I had an interaction between them twowith Zag appreciating the keepsake before I got that ambrosia back but idk it's been ages since I did that bond

[hollow granite]

1984 game

Not giving me dialogues

[silver mica]

Yeah but random dialogue is a step closer than no dialogue right?

[latent moon]

well no

because now you just put more dialogue into the pool

and you want a specific one

[hollow granite]

Also i need 2 more Daedalus upgrades i can never get

Kinetic launch or grasp or whatever

And something something valley

First one just does not appear

[latent moon]

make sure the aspects you pick are compatible with those hammers

[hollow granite]

Its been ages

I made sure

[latent moon]

unlucky then

[hollow granite]

I tried 2 aspects

Zag and demeter

[silver mica]

Yeah idk that's just terrible luck then 😔

[hollow granite]

Damn

It sucks, i basically have nothing to do at this point

[latent moon]

do more runs lol

[hollow granite]

Except maybe getting 21 more times to styx and 27 more times to erebus

[latent moon]

more heat

[hollow granite]

That's it

[latent moon]

speedrun

[hollow granite]

Everything else is done

[hollow granite]

Im a completionist

[thorny mirage]

Either play runs to play them or just stop playing the game

[hollow granite]

I cannt

3 more achievements await

[thorny mirage]

yes, you can.

[latent moon]

i mean can speedrun while waiting for dialogue

[hollow granite]

Then prolly hidden shield aspect is the way to go

[thorny mirage]

If you play runs, you will eventually get those achievements

[hollow granite]

Maxed beowulf is the best weapon ever

[thorny mirage]

Grinding achievements just burns you out

[hollow granite]

Bbut

[latent moon]

i mean it's fun to get all achievements

[hollow granite]

Yea it is

I 100% etg, nuclear throne and Isaac

[high island]

If you're a completionist, speedrunning your runs is the fastest way to get everything.

[latent moon]

it's just that if you're waiting for the right rng so you can get the last few, just keep doing runs anyways because that's the only way to complete it lmao

since you need 2 specific hammers, speedrun on those weapons

[hollow granite]

Could just die in the first room

[latent moon]

and make sure to talk to dusa before each run

[latent moon]

i mean sure but is that fun

[hollow granite]

I mean there's also 32 heat trophy

[latent moon]

okay so do that lmao

[hollow granite]

Any tips

[latent moon]

#h1-high-heat-strategies pins

[high island]

Just do exactly what I did when I almost got Zag Bow WR at 32 Heat just now. And if you can do it 11 seconds faster, you'll even get WR.

[hollow granite]

I hate playing bow or rail they can barely hit AOE

Well i mean rail is ok in that regard but bow I can't stand

[latent moon]

i mean it pierces

and hera crush shot has considerable aoe

[brisk trail]

Do + attack boons also upgrade dash strike?

[latent moon]

yes

[hollow granite]

Bull rushing with beowulf and artemis cast seems just easier and stronger

[latent moon]

fun fact

did you know mirage shot is bugged to deal 100% damage instead of 30% on beowulf

start flood flare instead of hunter's flare

get deadly strike, get mirage

win

[hollow granite]

I forget what mirage shot is

[latent moon]

pos arty duo

you shoot on a 2nd cast after the first one

[hollow granite]

Okay

[latent moon]

so 3 casts is effectively 6

technically

[hollow granite]

Ig ill do this then

But now im just dead tired from the game

Not giving me any dialogues or stuff I need after like 5 runs

All the way to hades ones

[latent moon]

that's why you should bang your head on 32 heat lmao

give you something else to be frustrated on

[hollow granite]

I know something else to be frustrated on

Art

Haha

Time to spend couple of hours drawing to hate myself afterwards

[latent moon]

that works lmao

[hollow granite]

True...

If i draw with one hand its gonna look EVEN WORSE than it looks now

[stone rune]

no

it always looks better

[hollow granite]

I was actually kinda inspired by both hades and god of war so i just started drawing my server members as greek gods

I think its more than 15 now

Also can i ask how good poms are

I usually never get them because its like

"100 dmg + 1 dmg"

But maybe its something OP im not seeing

[thorny mirage]

Very good on casts, vary wildly between other things

[hollow granite]

Yes casts are cool

[thorny mirage]

aphro tends to have the highest pom scaling

artemis’s scaling on attack is pretty bad iirc

[hollow granite]

I usually like to play with boons from artemis cuz it's pure dmg

And epic call is SO good

[latent moon]

the general rule of thumb is that after 3 or 4, it's not worth pomming it unless it's a cast

or tidal dash

or doom/impending doom

[hollow granite]

Wtf moonlord terraria

[latent moon]

but some stuff have horrible pom scaling like mentioned

others have great pom scaling

[hollow granite]

Eh, sounds like a lot of minmaxing

even for me, an isaac player

[latent moon]

it's not really minmaxing, it's just knowing what is good with poms and isn't lol

i guess to some extent it is

[hollow granite]

I mean yea

But like

[latent moon]

but i never really read up on any of that stuff i just figured it out by playing a lot lol

[hollow granite]

If there's a choice im not choosing a pom

[latent moon]

sure

on the other hand, early poms are your best friend, which is probably something you want to know for 32 heat lol

[hollow granite]

I mean only if i got boons worth it

[latent moon]

you're starting off with a boon you want

[hollow granite]

Not upgrading normal rarity dash strike

[latent moon]

in tartarus you're generally leaving it with like 3 or 4 boons or something

shouldn't be too hard to get poms on what you want

you should start with something you want to pom anyways

[hollow granite]

Do i really want to pom a white quality thing

If i can wait and get blue/ourple later

[latent moon]

i mean pomming common boons is fine

esp if it's a cast

or aphrodite atk

[hollow granite]

Is aphrodite that OP

[latent moon]

yeah

[hollow granite]

Why

[latent moon]

her common boon is better than other % gods at rare

starts lower, but has a better pom scaling

so it overtakes after a few poms

[hollow granite]

So its good on floor one but not somewhere in the middle of 3rd

[noble canyon]

she is

[latent moon]

well common aphrodite works fine throughout the whole run

you never sell a boon just so you get a higher rarity later anyways

you just take what you get

it's just unreliable and risky

[hollow granite]

Idk i do that

[latent moon]

well it's generally not a good idea lmao

you're assuming you'll get a god you want and a better rarity

also by that point, with poms, it might be a lower percent

at that point you're just shooting yourself in the foot

[lone sable]

i feel like i should try something other than the fists for once

[latent moon]

probably lmao

[lone sable]

i mean i just finished the bounties

feel like the spear would be a good stepping stone

[hollow granite]

I loove fists and shield

Then sword and spear which are also fun

Then ehmm

[lone sable]

when i tried the shield i didnt like it at all

[hollow granite]

The other stuff

[latent moon]

shield is funky

[noble canyon]

yeah, I just go with whatever the run gives me, that's why I barely reroll boons

[hollow granite]

I reroll to get legendary chaos boon

[latent moon]

well rerolling boons so you get what you want is fine
rerolling for rarity is not a good idea lmao

[hollow granite]

But it NEVER happens

[lone sable]

can chaos even give legendaries?

[noble canyon]

I struggle so much with the shield

[hollow granite]

Yes

[noble canyon]

yup

[hollow granite]

Chaos has 1 legendary

The only one im missing

I get it and boom there's only 2 propechies left

[latent moon]

zag shield needs levels, chaos sucks, zeus shield is hard to learn, beo is a bit difficult to get used to

[hollow granite]

Why

[latent moon]

why what

[hollow granite]

Beo is so strong

[latent moon]

i mean it is strong

[hollow granite]

Spam cast, bull rush and repeat

[latent moon]

it just takes a bit of time to get used to

it's slow

well

"slow"

[silver mica]

So much blood lol

[thorny mirage]

Death defiances

[noble canyon]

yeah

[latent moon]

once you get the hang of it, it's really strong and simple-ish to use

[noble canyon]

not used to shields in general

[latent moon]

ik beo is strong

i've abused it

[lone sable]

alr wiki'd it

[latent moon]

it took me a bit to just get used to slow drag rushes, slow charge, etc

[latent moon]

ngl probably 80% of the problem can be fixed with charged shot lmao

maybe even 90%

[lone sable]

my problem with shield is that to attack i instinctively spam instead of holding down so i end up just swinging my shield like an idiot

[latent moon]

if youre playing zag shield that's fine tbh

until you get charged shot

but pulv blow and dashing wallop are good alternatives

[lone sable]

i mean im prob gonna try the spear next

is its special useful at all or is it the same as the fists

[latent moon]

if you're using achilles and guan yu, it's good

guan yu is special spam

achilles, you use it to get the damage boost by spamming special twice immediately

[latent moon]

dem special useful tho lol

[lone sable]

i still dont have guan yu

[latent moon]

then just use achilles

if you dont want to use achilles, then the special is useless

[calm saddle]

how do I gift Thanatos nector?

he always leaves

[tired karma]

you can't during a run
only in the house

[high island]

Special is good on Zag Spear and Hades if you have Exploding Launcher.

[latent moon]

oh yeah that

[rustic vale]

Each aspect of the spear can use the special to their own extent
Achilles to buff your attack/cast
Zagreus and Hades if you find exploding launcher (and then preferably charged skewer)
Guan-Yu the special has good base damage and great aoe, and finding charged skewer just puts it even higher

[rustic falcon]

is aprhodites boon different league worth getting

it reduces damage by 15% sounds pretty good but wont boons that give more damage be better to take

[brisk trail]

what are the other 2 options (also whats your weapon/aspect)

[rustic falcon]

like things that apply weak to the enemies

[rustic falcon]

well other 2 was whenever i take damage apply weak and i think another was something to do with collecting something to give heals or smth

i have the spear with bull rush aspect level 1

[carmine wraith]

Swear I have in the past, no? Some of his earlier nectars

[latent moon]

Not really

Sounds like you have life affirmation, which is pretty good if you're not in like late Ely by now

[high island]

Different League is decent if you already have Weak.

[rustic vale]

More damage reduction = more ehp

[rustic falcon]

is it possible to get 100% damage reduction

like is it possible to get damage reduction boons from other gods

while having aprohdite damage reduction as well

[high island]

No, it's not additive except for Weak + Broken Resolve.

You can get 100% Dodge chance, though.

[rustic vale]

Temporarily

[carmine wraith]

would that make you essentially invul? Or does dodge not affect everything

[high island]

Can't dodge TD damage and magma, I think.

Everything else can be dodged.

[sour fog]

isn't dodge multiplicative?

[latent moon]

Nope

Damage reduction is

[sour fog]

huh

okay

[high island]

Funnily enough, we used to think dodge was multiplicative because we'd still take damage vs Hades in max dodge builds. Turned out his spin was just bugged to be undodgeable.

[sour fog]

[calm saddle]

when does he spawn

ive only seen him spawn

like once

[high island]

It was patched lol.

[calm saddle]

that sucks.

[hollow granite]

will hydralite gold do anything if im 100% LC

[brisk trail]

farming for duo boons is burning me out 5 runs without a new entry

[high island]

Make sure you don't open up any Duo Boons or legendaries other than the ones you want.

Will hurt your chances to get what you want a lot.

[brisk trail]

pain

godjagssh i just realized i needed a god gauge to get this duo boon ⚰️

[brazen matrix]

Aphrodite + Zeus?

[brisk trail]

ye

[brazen matrix]

So now you have it?

[brisk trail]

no i got to styx without a call, realized then gave up

[high island]

Fastest route to Smoldering Air is any core from Lady Aphrodite > Zeus' Aid.

And from there you can already reroll for Smoldering Air if you have Fated Persuasion.

[brazen matrix]

I just checked how many duo boons i am missing
And wow, i still need 8 of them

[brisk trail]

i need 6, legendaries done thankfully

[brazen matrix]

Wow, i just checked which ones were missing
And all of of them have Demeter or Athena in the duo

Guess i'm not a fan of these two

[latent moon]

No lol

[hollow granite]

I figured

Won 32 heat run

And finally got dialogue progress on pat and achilles

I feel like 1 more trip to Elysium and i can free him

[brazen matrix]

GG

[latent moon]

I think you might need more than 1

But progress is good

Also that was a fast 32 heat clear lmao

How many tries?

[hollow granite]

i tried twice with eris, died, then 3 with beowulf and won

[latent moon]

Nice

[hollow granite]

eris i died in tartarus due to time and no thunder strike then to hydra

[latent moon]

Oh festive

[hollow granite]

now i just need certain upgrades for bow and fists, enough trips to styx and erebus

then the book and prophiceishwje will be 100% completed

i tried to say prophecy correctly but gave up

[brazen matrix]

I'm thinking about trying to beat Hades EM4 with Beowulf Shield
But i don't know which cast should i use for this run :/

[rustic vale]

Pos or aphro are the 2 real options

[brazen matrix]

It's like "These or nothing"?

[native blade]

More like optimal.

[waxen garnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/680246230160637953/1067178618465304766/Hades_17.png

Posting here as suggested in #h1-victory-boasting ; basically a near-finished run at 32 Heat (LC4, MM, BP2, EM4, UC, DC2, FO2) with a outright lucky build progression for Hangover; it would actually be a true victory if I didnt bomb against Hades.

[hollow granite]

Why not artemis?

[latent moon]

The others aren't as good

[latent moon]

Low crit chance and not good damage

[hollow granite]

I guess

But call gotta be top 1

[latent moon]

Opens mirage which is neat but eh

Flood flare is better damage and opens mirage

[fringe garnet]

does anyone have a 4k (or max res, idk maybe that's 1080p, i just want lossless) image of the sunset? with zagreus looking out at it and the camera fully panned up

i'm finding a bunch of screenshots where zagreus is looking the other way, or looking the right way but the camera hasn't panned, or post-processed w/ vignettes and stuff, i just want a raw, lossless shot

[waxen garnet]

Hunter's Flare (if talking about Beowulf) has a smaller area and lower damage than Flood Flare; not sure how it compares to Passion Flare tbh so I'll default to others.

[latent moon]

Passion flare has highest base damage for cast

And because it's beo it can run pstatus for more damage

If you want reliability, passion flare snow burst is good

[hollow granite]

Okay but what about artemis aid. Is it as good i think it is or it turns out that some obscure call is far better

[latent moon]

If you want to roll for a duo, flood flare is better

[latent moon]

Good at full call

Zeus and Dio are better with small calls

More dps

Fast

[hollow granite]

I rly like her aid because you can just skip phases

[latent moon]

At full call yeah

[hollow granite]

Like with hydra

[dull niche]

yea greater arty aid is solid for bosses

not as good in normal combats though

[latent moon]

But charging for full call tends to take a while

Yeah it won't be used in normal rooms much, which is why Zeus and Dio call are preferred

[waxen garnet]

I'm a fan of Aphro Aid if untimed; a well timed Charm will cancel any attack animation, even Hades. Or Theseus starts hitting himself if you do it when he first calls upon the Olympians.

[hollow granite]

I wonder who's the best god OVERALL and who's the best one as "always welcomed"
Betting on demeter with 2nd

[latent moon]

It's very dependant on build

[brazen matrix]

Dionysus in the top for Always Welcomed

[dull niche]

overall is a very very broad stroke but like. probably zeus or artemis are the most useful in the most scenarios??

super build and run dependent

[stone rune]

athenaaaa

ddash stays winning

[latent moon]

I'd agree with Artemis

[brazen matrix]

true

[native blade]

I think you’re gonna have to commission that bud. I think I saw some in the reddit though, so maybe u can get a lucky one.

[brisk trail]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHGGGGG!!!!!!!

[stone rune]

what

[hollow granite]

Okay but then which one is the worst in most scenarios? Betting on Ares

[native blade]

I’d agree with Lightning Dashing

[brazen matrix]

the

[latent moon]

Yeah ares sucks if you're not building around him initially

[hollow granite]

Duo with demeter is super good tho

[stone rune]

i always hate when that loopy rag dionysus shows up

[latent moon]

Dem ares?

[stone rune]

hes good but i dont care

hate him

[native blade]

Facts.

[hollow granite]

Ye, the ice blizzard rift

[dull niche]

chill is strong enough in difficult runs that i think it cant be dem

ares prolly ye

[latent moon]

I mean hunting blades is better but also, like I said, you're building around him anyways

[stone rune]

hb??

[hollow granite]

Is chill really that bad? I think its super good to have it on dash or fists

[native blade]

^

[waxen garnet]

On Gods: Id say Zeus is pretty good as a main god for high attack speed, low attack damage builds; Athena, Aphro, and Deme are good support gods but don't offer a lot of good offense alone; I think Poseidon would be a good god for low attack speed, high attack damage builds since a lot of his support boons are just more % damage.

[fringe garnet]

excuse me, you think i'm going to have to commission a max-resolution screenshot of an in-game asset????????

[high island]

Needs more Hangover poms.

[waxen garnet]

Lmao true.

[native blade]

I mean… Ion if peeps have that lying around….

[latent moon]

I don't like seeing ares if I'm not building around doom or blades

[stone rune]

ares is annoying

ares also took ages to give me favor

so yeah id pummel him

[high island]

Damage looks low even with all those boons because Hangover base was low at only Lv.2 common.

[native blade]

If you’re asking for a god that could solo I’d say Demeter/ Artemis?

[stone rune]

aph

[high island]

Also, Drunken Strike and Dionysus' Aid will just overwrite each other, so there's no point in having more than one source of Hangover.

[hollow granite]

Im not asking im just curious on community opinions since i basically beat the game and never interacted with other players

[waxen garnet]

Ares is hard to build around since his boon selection is all over the place, at least moreso than other gods.

[hollow granite]

So i wanted to see how far off im from meta

[high island]

Bodied by Dyno.

[native blade]

Wha

I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING

[hollow granite]

I'd never expect THE RAIL to be top weapon

[brazen matrix]

The rail is really fun

[stone rune]

hestia

[brazen matrix]

Yes

[stone rune]

hestia so awesome

[native blade]

Ah, well my soul duo are Artie + Aunt ‘Dite.

[brazen matrix]

Hestia + Aphro Strike = KILL

[waxen garnet]

That's understandable; I Dio Aid was just what I had after Styx sack and I made a hasty decision to try and make the most of the Touch of Styx Dark from Elysium.

[hollow granite]

I hate rail because it has very slow AOE and reloading is not a fun mechanic

[native blade]

Hestia goes insane

[stone rune]

hestia

[waxen garnet]

Delta Chamber on anything other than Hestia; count to three dashn repeat

[hollow granite]

What chamber

Oh

[waxen garnet]

It is a hammer upgrade

[stone rune]

LOL

[native blade]

^

[hollow granite]

The upgrade yes

[brazen matrix]

Delta Chamber = Infinite Ammo

[waxen garnet]

^

[latent moon]

rail has the fastest "one weapon only" time in speedrunning lol
it's the one weapon that has 4 good aspects (for speedrunning)

[waxen garnet]

It makes Gun more fun for me

[brazen matrix]

How good is Eris Rail?

[native blade]

What does one weapon only mean?

[brazen matrix]

I've never tried it

[latent moon]

one of the top aspects in the game

[hollow granite]

For me shield is the most broken because blocking EVERYTHING is OP, but if looking at "fun" side then its def fists, either demeter or zag

[latent moon]

you run all aspects consecutively

so zag, eris, hestia, luci (in any order i think) in a row

[stone rune]

is chiron the bad one for bow then?

[native blade]

Excuuuuise Me?!??

[latent moon]

for speed yeah

[native blade]

Mod?

[latent moon]

it's good for like casual play and whatnot

falls off at speed and heat

[latent moon]

wdym

[native blade]

Debateable.

[latent moon]

you just

[stone rune]

it's fun

[latent moon]

do one after the other

[stone rune]

i mean it's not debatably the worst bow aspect

[high island]

It's passable. Needs commitment to pom investment to be even worth taking at all. Can be good for high heat if you get it to at least Lv.3. Below that it's pretty much just UC fodder for one boss.

[latent moon]

i mean chiron objectively isn't as good for speed compared to the others
it's still a good bow, but since OWO is for speedrunning, it falls behind

[high island]

Speedruns, you pretty much never take it.

[native blade]

Oh, I thought u meant all at once.

Damn.

[latent moon]

lmao no

[hollow granite]

This convo is confusing my empty dummy head

[stone rune]

is zagbow still better just for casual? i feel like it is

[waxen garnet]

Can you imagine a mod that combines the first three aspects of a weapon into a fifth super aspect?

[native blade]

The other aspects are all good for speedrunning?

[latent moon]

i mean any good aspect is always gonna be good for casual lol

[stone rune]

cracked

[stone rune]

so yeah chiron is the worst bow aspect then right

[latent moon]

zag bow is good enough, hera is holding the wr, rama is surprisingly fast

[stone rune]

zagbow so fun

[latent moon]

rama is hard to go fast, but it's very doable

[native blade]

Ah, so how does Rama build work?

[high island]

I would say Chiron and Hera (if they know the basics of how to build it with Crush Shot) are best for casual players. Chiron is just very easy to play, and Hera just one-shots everything.

[hollow granite]

Unrelated
Why is this emote not called :shade_pog: ?

[stone rune]

idk man ive done one rama run it's fun though

[native blade]

For speedruns? Yep

[native blade]

Fair.

[latent moon]

start lightning strike, prob get any good % atk, hunter dash, twin shot

idk

at that point it comes down to how good you are at rama, not the build

it's just the standard build

but fast

[native blade]

Ah

[latent moon]

obv you're gonna get all the good rng with like chaos, story, etc

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-slap-idiot-baka-gif-17596956

[stone rune]

lightning strike?

what

[latent moon]

wait

lightning flourish

lmao

[stone rune]

LOL

silly goose

[native blade]

So u gotta have fast reflexes?

[rustic vale]

They meant lightning flourish

[latent moon]

yeah

[brazen matrix]

I hopes so

[native blade]

Ah

[latent moon]

part of it is knowing when to release the shot early

[brazen matrix]

But yeah, Lightning Flourish on Chiron's bow isn't that bad

[latent moon]

so you dont get hit and lose your shot

[rustic vale]

Yeah speedrunning kinda falls apart without reflexes

[rustic vale]

It is because you only get 1 or 2 bolts per special

[native blade]

Truuuuuue

[rustic vale]

per enemy

[latent moon]

the other part is utilizing rd on rama properly

[stone rune]

wdym i thought i could speedrun with my 9203 ms reaction time

[native blade]

Lel.

Actual Chaos speed gaming

[rustic vale]

Lightning flourish is about as good on chiron as it is on say rail special

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1067186642739281930/image.png
ocaml is probably the best rama player, and he has a very comfy sub6 unmodded rama lol

he also has a 7:30 unmodded 50 heat

but we dont talk about that

[stone rune]

it has a delay right

[rustic vale]

Internal cooldowns between bolts/enemy

.2 seconds iirc

[stone rune]

i think it'd be funny if there was no cooldown and you could put lightning and support fire on

[latent moon]

wait did croven snipe the unmodded any heat wr from ocaml

[rustic vale]

Thats the reason why they have internal cooldowns

[latent moon]

omg croven did lmfao

that's so based

[stone rune]

but it would be funnnnnnnny

[latent moon]

wild how rama is 2nd place unmodded anyheat

[stone rune]

4 day gap

[latent moon]

classic croven

stole it from bigp in like 36 hours, sniped from ocke in like 3 days

but anyways

yeah rama good at speed if you git gud

[rustic vale]

Beo runners coping compared to 2 bow aspects

[latent moon]

hera is better than beo for unmodded because you dont have to rng for cshot lol

flurry is great on hera ofc but it's better than beo without a hammer

[rustic vale]

Beo with flurry rush

[latent moon]

true

[calm saddle]

i’ve beaten Hades 4 times and I’m wondering how long will it take for me to get the

ending of the story

cause i’m contemplating watching a lore video atp

[rustic vale]

10th clear is “main” story done

Epilogue isn’t a specific amount of clears

[brisk trail]

hello every one. I would like to ask a specific question : are there any kind of random gameplay mechanics such as "critical hit" or "dodge" wich significantly help winning the game in Hades ?

in other words, any RNG affecting the course of the game ?

[rustic vale]

Dodge and crits are only gotten from specific boons

Or keepsakes and aspects

[brisk trail]

so, you would say there is

[native blade]

Yep.

[brisk trail]

thank you very much for answering

[native blade]

Np.

[wide sparrow]

can anyone guess who the character in #fan-works is? 😭

[latent moon]

the whole game is based on rng lmao

[native blade]

I don’t know his name, but I’m pretty sure he’s in the Argonauts.

[wide sparrow]

NO

ide, what that is

[native blade]

You don’t know argonauts but you know the Pythia?

Crazy, it’s a voyage of heroes.

[wide sparrow]

the pythia?

What 😭

i dont know anything

is that the oracles name? .-.

[dreamy gyro]

Perhaps someone here can help me.

I"ve been looking for a meme for ages, where it's like: "Supergiant asking which of the sexy characters do we like the most" but then the artist hugging Skelly?

Ope nevermind found it

[sage perch]

aight yall i got a strange question

do any of you wanna trade or give me the hades and dusa trading cards?

tag me in case i miss your message

[native blade]

When I say I was not prepared for heat 36, trust me.

My most recent illustrious achievement consists of: reaching Elysium.

[manic vine]

Got my first heroic boon, honestly thought epic was the max lol

[worn glacier]

I could barely do 32 I can't imagine going past it lmfao

[latent moon]

Lmao it's fun

Might be pact options

[brisk trail]

yes duo prophecy done😭

[plucky sierra]

if i dont get a character i want in my run eg sisyphus should i complete the run or do i have a chance at getting him in if i give up and try again

[rustic vale]

Complete the run

[latent moon]

i mean if you want to see sisyphus asap, you either die as soon as you get out of tartarus or hit give up

but realistically it's better to do the whole run out

[carmine wraith]

Finally 100% every SG game, Hades, Transistor, and Bastion :D

[prisma wind]

Congrats, now you just gotta do Pyre

[carmine wraith]

Yeah uhhh... I hate sports games oof

Plus the achievements look the hardest in that game out of any of the four

[brisk trail]

is flame wheel release only sold in elysium wells?

[lone sable]

Yes

[carmine wraith]

(flame wheels are only in elysium lol)

[brisk trail]

but erebus...

[lone sable]

Do erebus gates give bigger rewards than normal elites?

[carmine wraith]

Nah same as miniboss

[brisk trail]

Pfff, double edge is hard to aim when trying to speedrun

I am flying all over the place

[hollow granite]

Is there any way to increase my chances of getting death defiance from chaos

[high island]

Focus on precision over speed first. Whiffing a Dash-Strike costs a lot of time.

[high island]

Cosmic Egg, Yarn of Ariadne, Refreshing Nectar.

Gods' Legacy from the mirror.

[solar vault]

still a lot of rng involved

do note that you have to have an expired curse in order to actually fulfill the prerequisite for it

[hollow granite]

Yea, i know

And about these too

Just thought there's maybe something else

[high island]

Fated Persuasion will help, too.

[analog elbow]

Chaos' Favor boon should help with that too

[high island]

Yep.

[analog elbow]

Do they stack? They must

[high island]

Yep.

Just get more Chaos boons to help you get the Chaos boon you want.

[analog elbow]

Seems about right

Does Exclusive Access help with getting legos/duos?

[high island]

No.

[analog elbow]

The boon itself just guarantees epic quality, but it mentions that boons you find have superior effects, so I imagine that it would apply to those, but prolly not.

Oh I guess the wording is indicative of raising the base minimum value to epic without affecting the maximum possible rarity

[tired karma]

Who do you think would win in a war with the Underworld vs Olympus

[analog elbow]

Too hard to say since we see the capabilities of a handful of people and some major characters aren't even portrayed

[brisk trail]

Do you really need more than three?

If it’s for the fates make sure you don’t have the infinite defiance once per room mirror thing on

[brisk trail]

Olympus assuming they all pitch in

[hollow granite]

Literally the last prophecy

[brisk trail]

Make sure you don’t have the mirror sidegrade on then

[hollow granite]

The what

[brisk trail]

Your dead defiances

[void vigil]

i would use the cosmic egg as well, and also jsyk you need the curse to turn into a blessing to be eligible for the legendary

after that its just luck

[brisk trail]

It did for the ambush boon. If they were really so unlucky it might be because of that

[hollow granite]

Yes i know

What side mirror you talking abt?

I have mirror for legendaries

Oh lol

I have yarn, 2 boons from chaos (one of them is +25% on rares) and cosmic egg

Its now or never

[analog elbow]

Do you have fated persuasion?

[hollow granite]

Its never

It did not spawb

Through the entire elysium

[analog elbow]

It's gonna show up eventually, just gotta visit Chaos some more

[hollow granite]

It'll never show up

[analog elbow]

I'm surprised you've finished all other prophecies besides this one lol