Jolted is king
#h1-discussion
pastel monolith
maybe on low heat with supersoaker and sea storm lol.. i remember one time i had tbe best suupersoaker build and i completely rekt the tiny vermin haha it was hilarious
pastel monolith
i love u
thorny mirage
What am mort
he’s a summon
craggy pine
I think it’s the one you get from Thanatos?
strong ridge
its the little brown one that hangs out with the black one and the tall grey one
craggy pine
I mostly use Meg and sometimes the Bouldy one
stoic sun
Meg best
chrome heath
I've been trying fidi because i never touched it and she has very good damage, and lasts a full fight
Doesn't compare with meg sadly
But i was pleasantly surprised
native blade
SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE ARTEMIS
glossy coral
All at the same time
native blade
lone sable
just got epic after party. gg i guess?
river temple
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/755677197670285312/1066044289219567686/...
wow
i've played more than 100 hours but see this creature for the first time
silver mica
Also i gotta ask since I don't think I know but
Is critical chance rolled per attack or per hit?
river temple
per hit i suppose
rustic vale
Is critical chance rolled per attack or per hit?
Per hit
silver mica
Makes sense
Hmm I might fight charon
I'll grab an extra heart first ig
Gimme money
Oh damn that was my best one
Only took one hit
And it wasn't even his oar
high island
Nice. 
silver mica
Ugh I always mess up elysium
Lost two defiances
Gotta fight EM theseus now-
Oh waitb not two defiance
Just one
....okay now I lost two.
high island
That's fine, just need a clean dad fight. 
Elysium is tough if your build lacks damage.
silver mica
I was using conch shell so I could get rupture, and oceans bounty
I'll bring tooth to dad
I have money..
Maybe I should use my last reroll for a defiance
Yess
Got ir
W membership card, I bought titans blood 🥳
Huh
I didn't know I could get mirage shot
Without having one of their casts
lone sable
the hell i fought charon and then he sent me to the barge of death
silver mica
the hell i fought charon and then he sent me to the barge of death
Lmao charon salty asf
sour fog
afaik after Charon you always get miniboss room
silver mica
Wtf I took Mirage shot
Why did it disappear
Oh nvm it didn't
I thought it replaced my festive fog
silver mica
afaik after Charon you always get miniboss room
It's never happened to me
sour fog
I meant after his boss fight
or does that send you to same room as if you didn't fight him?
ok
rustic vale
I thought it replaced my festive fog
It makes a second one with 30% of the damage (unless it’s a flare, then it’s 100%)
lone sable
i know its just why an elite of all things
rustic vale
i know its just why an elite of all things
Because that happened to be the next room this time
lone sable
well thats a way to lose a death defiance ig
silver mica
It makes a second one with 30% of the damage (unless it’s a flare, then it’s 100...
I see
Doesn't seem amazingly useful for festive fog unless I have scintillating feast tbh
raw herald
It doesn’t double scint feast btw
rustic vale
Doesn't seem amazingly useful for festive fog unless I have scintillating feast ...
Trippy shot/flare are huge damage so
An increase to it is welcome
silver mica
It doesn’t double scint feast btw
💔
rustic vale
It doesn’t double scint feast btw
Oh really?
silver mica
Trippy shot/flare are huge damage so
It was only rare trippy shot so I think it would have been 30% of 120?
rustic vale
Are there any other duo boon effects that don’t get doubled be mirage shot?
raw herald
Well mirage shot is still one cast
rustic vale
Like blizzard shot for example
silver mica
Are there any other duo boon effects that don’t get doubled be mirage shot?
I'd assume the crystal ones?
rustic vale
It was only rare trippy shot so I think it would have been 30% of 120?
Pomming it makes it bigger
rustic vale
I'd assume the crystal ones?
No the meme beam duos would 100% work with mirage shot
raw herald
Idts
lone sable
who the hell gave theseus a gun
rustic vale
em3
lone sable
did poseidon's greater call just take out half of hades's hp...
chrome heath
It easily can tough
rustic vale
I don’t remember the last time I took pos call lol
lone sable
it was doing 712 dmg each hit
(it was epic and lvl 3 iirc+38% more dmg from the other boon)
native blade
wow
i've played more than 100 hours but see this creature for the first time
Just gotta have good reflexes.
Also, second time i've gotten Aphro Legendary, sensing a pattern here.
vital spade
Hades.
rustic vale
just hit dash until you win
lone sable
Which olympian do you guys think has the hardest "angry" phase?
stone rune
Which olympian do you guys think has the hardest "angry" phase?
im not particularly fond of aph
rustic vale
Aphrodites is annoying if your visual of it gets blocked by an enemy
stone rune
athena isn't hard but just annnnooooooyyyyyyiiiiiinnnnnngggggg
lone sable
Idk why but demeter and poseidon always kinda get me
rustic vale
demeter only sucks for melee aspects
lone sable
Me with the fists
stone rune
see that's your first problem
lone sable
see that's your first problem
I dont even have the 4th aspect yet. Thats my second problem
silver mica
Hammer, coins, chaos or erebus artemis
stone rune
I dont even have the 4th aspect yet. Thats my second problem
not a problem
lone sable
Hammer, coins, chaos or erebus artemis
Hammer
stone rune
coins
lone sable
My general rule of thumb: if i see hammer, i go hammer
stone rune
that's silly
silver mica
Hammer I'm basically guaranteed to get though
stone rune
hammer you can get into elysium
silver mica
Yk what I'll go for chaos
stone rune
coins you have an opportunity to use in chamber like 12 or something
anyways you do not need hte fists 4th aspect
silver mica
And see if I can get a nice damage buff
lone sable
anyways you do not need hte fists 4th aspect
Yeah but funny 4x dmg on the base attack
stone rune
but funny dying
silver mica
I got the best possible option
lone sable
Finally got the asterius solo fight and then he started talking about his new armor
stone rune
get away from hiiiiim jessie
stone rune
Chaos never fails
stone rune
what are you using
rustic vale
Taking chaos 99/100 times I see it
rustic vale
it appeared we were disregarding the various times chaos has failed
Chaos hasn’t ever failed
silver mica
Eh I'll go hammer
stone rune
dont you already have thunder strike and flourish
rustic vale
what aspect is this?
silver mica
what aspect is this?
Zeus
rustic vale
take aphrodite
craggy pine
You can get the hammer for free later
lone sable
Dont you get one early and one later
rustic vale
Getting aphrodite into your god pool is more worth it
rustic vale
Dont you get one early and one later
Your first one can be gotten at any point
rustic vale
And the 2nd one can only be gotten in elysium or later
craggy pine
You can get two hammers total I think. 3 if you anvil, but anvil is awful
rustic vale
Anvil is not awful if you rng manipulate it
silver mica
W euridyice with nectar
lone sable
anvil isnt awful if your rng was alr awful
rustic vale
But anyways, there isn’t a set time where you get the hammers, just a restriction on how soon you can see the second
craggy pine
I have occasionally risked the anvil, but only when my previous hammers were both terrible
rustic vale
so it’s not necessarily first hammer early 2nd hammer later
Anvil is kind of a hail mary unless you rng manip it
rustic vale
Integer overflow the rng manip so you can get twin triple point blank
river temple
Just gotta have good reflexes.
you wanna say the speed of catching influences the fishes we get?
native blade
you wanna say the speed of catching influences the fishes we get?
Yep, if u do it fast enough u get a Perfect Catch like this.
latent moon
It's like within .5 or .35 sec or something after the indicator
river temple
i'm living alone. nothing is faster than my hands
latent moon
Lmfao
calm saddle
what's behind the 20 keys unlock on the mirror?
high island
what's behind the 20 keys unlock on the mirror?
last mauve
Idk why but i find it very funny that nyx, who is literally Night itself and probably the most powerful deity in the underworld, just kinda stands in a random corner all the time
craggy pine
Good day or night? Only she really knows, and she ain’t telling
silver mica
Good 7:14
high island
7:48.
tired karma
she is the most powerful in the underworld
woeful finch
Idk why but i find it very funny that nyx, who is literally Night itself and pro...
She actually has a conversation with Zag about that!
last mauve
Oh l havent seen that yet
woeful finch
I think it’s after you buy c something from contractor. Zag says something about buying flowers to brighten up the corner and then asks why she’s always hanging around there anyway
proud lodge
I love this game but GODS do I suck at FISHING!!!
native blade
I love this game but GODS do I suck at FISHING!!!
F lol, same but I got better with practice.
Soon you’ll be catching perfects like me.
proud lodge
F lol, same but I got better with practice.
Good Thing the game doesnt depend On it
high island
I love this game but GODS do I suck at FISHING!!!
Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.
Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.
A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.
native blade
https://imgur.com/a/UZ4CxZo
Stocks gaming.
toxic trellis
Is the ||Cerberus Summon from EM4|| not just the best boss attack in a game or what?
Equal parts terrifying and hilarious every time I see it
Though fairly easy to avoid once you get into the groove of the fight
native blade
Though fairly easy to avoid once you get into the groove of the fight
Yep.
torpid flower
Hi yall, been playing Hadss for a month now and I'm loving the game
carmine wraith
Is it normal to have over 60 clears and still not reach the epilogue lol
These RNG dialogue triggers are screwing me over so hard
high island
Is it normal to have over 60 clears and still not reach the epilogue lol
Probably.
raw herald
Yes
torpid flower
Is it normal to have over 60 clears and still not reach the epilogue lol
Probably 💀. I have over 100 runs but only like....30 or so clears right now and I already finished the epilogue
Yes, I'm very bad at the game LOL 😆
My first Hades kill was like at run 51 lol
high island
There's no being a bad at a game whose purpose is having a good time.
Unless playing the game is toxic for you in some way.
That'd be pretty bad. 
carmine wraith
I just hate how rng these dialogue triggers are
torpid flower
Unless playing the game is toxic for you in some way.
In no way lol. Dying alot should make me mad but it doesn't for me lol.
carmine wraith
I seemingly don't have any other dialogue to go through first because the gods are just saying the generic stuff when you pick their boons
torpid flower
Have you give them nectars till they're at least at the locked heart?
And I'm sure you need to talk to Persephone about the plan first to start the invitations
carmine wraith
hmm complaining seems to always work for me lol
rustic vale
My first Hades kill was like at run 51 lol
Mine was 50 lol
carmine wraith
just started a run and got Artemis dialogue
carmine wraith
Have you give them nectars till they're at least at the locked heart?
ofc
I'm at almost 50 nectar lol, I had everyone maxed ages ago
torpid flower
That is so strange. After I talk to Persephone, all the gods in my run started getting the invitations. Wonder what you're experiencing is a bug or something
rustic vale
You uh
native blade
I'm at almost 50 nectar lol, I had everyone maxed ages ago
You’ve invited everyone?
rustic vale
Need to complete peoples favours to get the epilogue iirc
native blade
Oh yeah
torpid flower
Hey, where do I get them roles?
solar vault
#bot-commands
rustic vale
Bot commands
carmine wraith
I stg rip current doesn't actually exist in my game
So many runs now I've gotten poseidon call and used all my rolls but nope
wow it's crazy how much complaining works
just got rip current lol
rustic vale
wow it's crazy how much complaining works
What can I say except https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1066186087548063754/IMG_2810.png
raw herald
😩 why don’t I have a sub 5 yet 🤦♂️
torpid flower
wow it's crazy how much complaining works
Them Gods in Olympus hears you
rustic vale
What can I say except https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/...
And running God’s Pride fixes the other 13%
native blade
woeful finch
Omg hundreds of hours in this game and I only now found out you can actually get Minotaur autograph 😂
rustic falcon
i have 1 blood titan rn any recomendation for putting it on any weapon
rustic falcon
Omg hundreds of hours in this game and I only now found out you can actually get...
wait what how
high island
i have 1 blood titan rn any recomendation for putting it on any weapon
Check pins in #h1-for-new-players for a guide.
Might wanna stay in the #h1-for-new-players btw to avoid spoilers.
It's the spoiler-free channel.
rustic falcon
Check pins in <#725021347968712724> for a guide.
oh thanks i didnt know it was in the pins
rustic falcon
Might wanna stay in the <#725021347968712724> btw to avoid spoilers.
i dont mind the spoilers story wise i am fine only things that are spoilable ig would be game mechanics or some tidbits of details by the devs that i havent found yet like the minotaur autograph thing
pastel monolith
someone earlier was telling me about hades monthly challenges on reddit or somethin.. im having trouble finding it.. anyone know anything about something like that?
latent moon
someone earlier was telling me about hades monthly challenges on reddit or somet...
pins in #h1-builds-and-combat
you can sign up for the role as well
pastel monolith
thanks ♡
rustic vale
Reddit knows of the monthly challenge? 🤨
latent moon
i mean some people from here exist on reddit lol
pastel monolith
how do i find the pins lol i duno maybe im dumb im not familiar with pinned stuff on discord channnels.. im on mobile if it makes a difference
rustic vale
how do i find the pins lol i duno maybe im dumb im not familiar with pinned stu...
Swipe from right side of screen to left
Then look up top for the pins button
pastel monolith
aha! thx found it
not quite sure how the boon part of the challenge works
i just have to go for those boons?
or am i supposed to have mods and only have those
pastel monolith
oh ya
i was looking at the previous post
i can go for obols lol
but idk if i can do these challenges as i cant do mods
pastel monolith
but what about the part where it says what boons to use
sorry maybe im over thinking it
solar vault
they're all still technically active you can submit runs for anything
I believe it's just you need to get a victory with those things
latent moon
but what about the part where it says what boons to use
it doesn't say?
it just says get obols doesn't it
pastel monolith
im not tryin to submit runs rly i just want ideas of challenges
i meant the previous one
latent moon
ah
pastel monolith
i play on xbox so my options are limited.. i rly need to fix my computer
latent moon
i mean the speedrun modpack wouldn't help there lmao
you prob just have to get it in a normal run
which would take some tries but it's doable
rustic vale
im not tryin to submit runs rly i just want ideas of challenges
Submitting runs is really as simple as taking a pic of the victory screen
pastel monolith
ya ill try em out anyway its gona be fun.. i just wasnt sure if it was a rule like u must use these boons or somethin
im gona do a obols run tho
or 2
rustic vale
im gona do a obols run tho
Shoot for 5220
pastel monolith
minimum 3142 lol how do they come up with these numbers
rustic vale
not quite sure how the boon part of the challenge works
@high island how do challenge of the month challenges that have certain boons listed work? You can only have those boons? Or must have at least those boons?
rustic vale
minimum 3142 lol how do they come up with these numbers
Easter eggs
slim geyser
minimum 3142 lol how do they come up with these numbers
it's not pi
high island
i just have to go for those boons?
You have to get those boons. It's fine to also get other boons. I'll never create a challenge that requires mods.
slim geyser
it's from the game/mythos
pastel monolith
thx for the clarification 👍 gona go for obols run.. i duno the strategy but i have a few ideas.. lets see what happens
high island
The old challenges are still "active". You can submit runs for the current challenge as well as any previous challenges.
rustic vale
The 5220 is a reference to how many years Nyaanyaa Mewmew has been playing Hades
slim geyser
(it's not)
pastel monolith
ill probably go back and try every challenge then
i need more ideas how to keep hades fresh
rustic vale
(it's not)
Btw next challenge of the month should be 64 heat
pastel monolith
besides just goin for higher heat an faster times
high island
Btw next challenge of the month should be 64 heat
You're free to try the Fool's Challenge.
rustic vale
You're free to try the Fool's Challenge.
Sounds fitting
high island
Fool's Challenge is to get as far as you can on max heat.
high island
minimum 3142 lol how do they come up with these numbers
With great intelligence and wisdom.
rustic vale
You don’t have to spoiler that
#h1-for-new-players exists for everyone who doesn’t want the game spoiled for them
So
brazen aspen
So, is Dusa getting fired for it?
rustic vale
Not clickbait
Without watching the video, I assume they just get hades really low then pop dusa summon?
native blade
Dusa is a savage
Indeed.
ionic minnow
literally what is the point of using the bouldy summon it sucks
Then again, anything other than Battie sucks.
void vigil
it gives me darkness :)
slim geyser
and food!
latent moon
literally what is the point of using the bouldy summon it sucks
hp, darkness, coins, gems
it's good for farming runs
ionic minnow
I guess you don't take LC at 32 heat?
latent moon
i mean you're supposed to
i didn't
for my first one anyways
i did like lc2 or something
or lc3 idk
ionic minnow
well then the healing doesnt help nearly as much but alright
latent moon
i mean it doesn't
but it's still healing
we've all had situations where we would've died in 1 more hit
latent moon
did they get rid of antos or something lmao
brisk trail
I don't think it's as good as battie (maybe better for clearing rooms depending on how big it is, I havent tried it yet, I'm assuming it's just the EM4 call)
brisk trail
did they get rid of antos or something lmao
nah you just click the little arrow that's there now and you can scroll over xD
brisk trail
I don't think it's as good as battie (maybe better for clearing rooms depending ...
But yeah I figure for bosses you probably still want the higher damage battie provides (even though antos is technically more damage innit)
latent moon
unless it's just cerby pathway without falling rubble
brisk trail
i dont think it's em4 call
Oh, I might as well try it then, I'll gif it so we can find out together lol
latent moon
But yeah I figure for bosses you probably still want the higher damage battie pr...
antos is spread, so it's worse for heroes and various minibosses
brisk trail
ill use it on like chamber 2 since chamber 1 is really small and may not give a good idea if its more widespread
latent moon
also worse for em4 i think, since i've seen most players use meg in the last 1/3 hp in first phase and try to hit dad summons
brisk trail
Weird, for some reason it only did 1500 instead of the stated 2000, I'll ask in the discord about that.
But here's the gif of that call
brisk trail
Maybe the idea is it hits twice at 1000 for 1000*2 = 2000 damage and the 50% was just because of my first mirror talent? idk
Its an interesting companion though
latent moon
summon damage dont get affected by mirror
brisk trail
oh yeah then that's really weird then
latent moon
other things like sweet surrender and something else get affected
brisk trail
I'll definitely post in the disc
native blade
Sword of Arthur goes too hard, I forgot.
brisk trail
Some of the new hestia duos in today's OlympusExtra update are interesting, she only had like 3 duos on the first release while apollo had all 8 or something but now we've got some really interesting abilities, some which I'd like to see on stuff in Hades 2
native blade
I genuinely feel bad cuz I should do more with this damlage.
Ye.
The voice acting is what I’m most hyped about.
brisk trail
The voice acting is what I’m most hyped about.
yesss Hestia's VA sounds so good
Let me post the duos for people who dont have the mod installed and are just curious
native blade
Honestly, such a great addition.
native blade
Let me post the duos for people who dont have the mod installed and are just cur...
Sanku.
native blade
These are amazing….
brisk trail
There, that's all the hestia duos
When I said "some of these id like to see similar in hades 2" im mostly personally talking about Raging Flames, Fish Stew, Quick Drink, and though it's not one of the new duos, Unrequited Love as well.
We'll have to see what comes of it though. I as much as anyone am very hyped to see the different status effects and stuff in H2
plucky sierra
which upgrade shows you how many fish you've caught
brisk trail
which upgrade shows you how many fish you've caught
Aquarium in the Lounge
native blade
We'll have to see what comes of it though. I as much as anyone am very hyped to ...
Any Legendary?
brisk trail
is raging flames a global damage boost
Just says Attack+Special so assuming not
brisk trail
https://prnt.sc/UXIZo6CZ6sJ2 Prereqs
latent moon
flaring rush is the dash right
brisk trail
flaring rush is the dash right
yep
They made the flames bigger in the new update, and gave it a duo. It's a solid offensive dash, similar dps to tidal dash, sometimes better sometimes worse depending on how much you can dash back and forth over a target stacking the dot
latent moon
the only ones that looks good to me are striking sparks and magnetic force (i'm assuming it's zeus cast?)
maybe icy scorches considering you said the dashes do considerable damage
summertime is apollo hestia duo?
base call restores 1 hp per hit as well right
brisk trail
summertime is apollo hestia duo?
Yep. They buffed Hestia's call in this update to make it better but it used to be really weak, havent tried the call in the update yet - duo would definitely help the defensive portion of the call, but I don't know that I'd seek it out when there are other ways to heal
brisk trail
the only ones that looks good to me are striking sparks and magnetic force (i'm ...
It is Zeus cast - interestingly, they seem to let you do it if you have zeus attack, but I'm not entirely sure how that would work with something like Dio's cast, so I'm assuming they'll narrow the requirement to the zeus cast only on zeus side in a hotfix
latent moon
Yep. They buffed Hestia's call in this update to make it better but it used to b...
i mean if it works through lc4 it'd be decent lmao
native blade
Any Legendary?
^
brisk trail
i mean if it works through lc4 it'd be decent lmao
That's true! It might, actually, work through LC4
brisk trail
^
I don't think there's any new legendary, Apollo and Hestia already had their legendaries and there don't seem to be new ones
latent moon
fish stew sounds decent but wouldn't actively seek it out lmao
does hestia still have pretty low % bonuses
because raging flames sounds good but also, ares doom is generally on low base damage stuff
and hestia has low % bonus iirc
brisk trail
Yeah it's still pretty low, 30% base on attack and 70% base on special.
native blade
native blade
I don't think there's any new legendary, Apollo and Hestia already had their leg...
What was her's?
brisk trail
well there's that at least, yeah, you'd wanna go for the special I guess. That's probably really solid on some weapons where you can take advantage of the pull
brisk trail
What was her's?
It's in the first image along with the first 2 duos, Royal Hearth
latent moon
What's the prereq for raging flames? Is it any of ares cores
brisk trail
https://prnt.sc/UXIZo6CZ6sJ2 Prereqs
Posted it up here. It's Ares attack, special, cast, or dash. Not call though
latent moon
Oh bruh my memory sucks
brisk trail
lol ur good xD
latent moon
I can't think of like any build that would want those two cores lmao
Oh nemesis maybe
brisk trail
I can't think of like any build that would want those two cores lmao
Actually, one build that worked very well with Hestia attack was Lucifer + Piercing Beam + (Preferably but not required) Concentrated beam, especially with the Hestia T2 that makes the pull stronger. I have a gif of it making a moving ball of dying vermin one sec
latent moon
Striking sparks might be better but I can see a decent use for raging flames
brisk trail
https://imgur.com/a/tv8cBxN
Figuring this out on this run was really fun lol
latent moon
Actually, one build that worked very well with Hestia attack was Lucifer + Pierc...
On the other hand it's a % atk on luci which has other problems lmao
brisk trail
I mean true, it's not ideal for a fast-ticking attack, but look at that gif and tell me it doesn't look effective xD
brisk trail
Maybe actually!! I think they do body slam
latent moon
Doesn't it usually say the text tho
latent moon
Oh yeah at the end
brisk trail
The giant axe does fall onto them during that, but that only does 600. I think it's just concentrated beam ramping nicely I guess
And either way it was a fun run. But admittely there are probably better lucifer builds
latent moon
Maybe I guess but idk much about % on luci and what it looks like lmao
Im still trying to think of a good use for raging flames lmao
Guan Yu special spam I guess?
brisk trail
Maybe that. Also Elysium with a million flame wheels it will make taking out the bigger enemies easier
latent moon
Depends on the pom scaling tbh
Because Aphrodite might still be better since it's base 80% and doesn't rely on needing 5 or more enemies in the room
Good for clearing out rooms but useless on bosses
Except for lernie phase 2
brisk trail
Good for clearing out rooms but useless on bosses
Yeah, it's one of those boons for sure
latent moon
Not even good on nemesis because sure the special is good damage, but striking sparks is probably better because you'd still use deadly strike, which is a better duo
And ares cast loses boiling and you'd ideally want tidal dash
So you can't fish for multiple duos really
brisk trail
Yeah, I should do a striking sparks + deadly strike run on nemesis :O that would be baller
latent moon
I guess ares cast and then sell later but eh
latent moon
Yeah, I should do a striking sparks + deadly strike run on nemesis :O that would...
If you double crit with dedge it's free 100 damage lol
Top it off with Rd lol
Small flat damage soup
At that point it makes me wonder if heart rend would still be better because you have stronger crits when it does happen
Actually heart rend is just better isn't it lmao
This is so sad
wicked swan
Im too bad to use nemesis 🐟
brisk trail
Could do Deadly Strike + Embracing Flourish + Crush Shot or Passion Dash = Eligibility for Striking Sparks + Heart Rend + Deadly Strike
slim geyser
Im too bad to use nemesis 🐟
insert some variation on git gud here
no but really just practice
brisk trail
and Embracing Flourish is actually really nice mechanically on Nemesis because it pulls enemies closer for your dstrikes since you're casting your special every 4 seconds as well
slim geyser
like you just kinda gotta get used to it
watch speedrunners and high-heaters play maybe?
wicked swan
Imo its probably harder for me just because im on m&k where you have to hold down directional keys and press dash + special while attacking with dash strikes at the same time
slim geyser
thats very fair
i cannot play swords on m&k
granted i cant play most games on m&k haha
latent moon
Could do Deadly Strike + Embracing Flourish + Crush Shot or Passion Dash = Eligi...
Passion dash would be better since you wouldn't have to randomly cast to apply weak lol
brisk trail
I play m&k and my favorite sword is Arthur for what its worth
but Nemesis is a close 2nd.
latent moon
Damn I thought kbm sword was fine
brisk trail
The cool thing about Arthur is you can really choose what kind of attack to do
slim geyser
i just dont really play hades on keyboard anyway so my opinion is a bit screwed
brisk trail
If you hold down attack while dashing you'll always dstrike (good for dedge) and if you just spam click while dashing, you'll get a medley of the normal arcing heavy hits and dash strikes
latent moon
For nem I like how I can dash one way but point the dstrike another way lol
native blade
latent moon
Kinda compensates how you can't dstrike right into enemies like on controller
native blade
Imo its probably harder for me just because im on m&k where you have to hold dow...
Try just keyboard, maybe the auto aim will help?
brisk trail
yknow I should really try it with a controller at some point, just as someone who had a lot of MMO gaming phases ive become very in tune with my keyboard and mouse
slim geyser
im the opposite
latent moon
Try just keyboard, maybe the auto aim will help?
That's horrible for sword on kbm
brisk trail
I do notice a lot of WR holders use controller though
latent moon
Legitimately
you won't be able to hit certain things unless you orient yourself the right way and dash the right way
Turning off aim at cursor makes you aim the direction you're facing
So you don't have precise movements and can only dstrike in front of you so you'll miss a lot
ionic minnow
interesting tech, I didn't know turning off auto aim on sword gave you advantage. Does it also give this advantage on Spear?
native blade
That's horrible for sword on kbm
F.
latent moon
I literally just said turning off auto aim is a disadvantage on sword
ionic minnow
its 1:30am and I cannot read 😢
latent moon
Lmao
The tldr is
You can only hit in 8 directions
Anything between those 8 directions is a lost cause and you have to put them in line with it
ionic minnow
oh and auto aim just makes it to where it always hits the best of the 8?
latent moon
With aim at cursor, you can fill in the blank space basically
No the 8 directions is just cardinal directions and the midpoints between
ionic minnow
okay
latent moon
Like you can't hit between north and north east
If that makes sense
You can only hit north and north east but nothing inbeteeen
ionic minnow
yea
latent moon
Using aim at cursor let's you fill in that blank space since you can dash one way but hit a different way you move
So you can dash north east and hit between north and north east
ionic minnow
i see, more precise
gray apex
yknow I should really try it with a controller at some point, just as someone wh...
Controller is more popular and tbh at that level it is kinda better for some weapons
latent moon
Turning off aim at cursor for sword just makes you not hit a lot of things
gray apex
Like Achilles
latent moon
I had it off on accident because I forgot to turn it back on after using hestia and I was wondering why I was missing so much
Had a 4 min tart on 32 heat because a lot of dstrikes wouldn't hit
ionic minnow
ill keep that in mind!
brisk trail
Controller is more popular and tbh at that level it is kinda better for some wea...
Gotcha. Are there any weapons that KBM is better for? Or is that not a thing
latent moon
The only weapon you should turn off aim at cursor for is just rail lol
ionic minnow
The only weapon you should turn off aim at cursor for is just rail lol
just wondering, why?
latent moon
Gotcha. Are there any weapons that KBM is better for? Or is that not a thing
Luci probably
native blade
Love Dash Nova.
latent moon
just wondering, why?
austere harbor
im so close to 100%-ing the game, and all i have to do left is get the max rank all standard keepsakes list!!
slim geyser
nice congrats!!
austere harbor
im actually so proud of myself, its been the first game i super got into as well
(i am very fixated on it)
its taken me like a year 😭
but im so close!!
gray apex
Gotcha. Are there any weapons that KBM is better for? Or is that not a thing
Lucifer is pretty good
Thing is, we dont have much to compare against when you have no kbm player pushing luci lol
tired karma
Fists on KBM are good
native blade
Fists on KBM are good
And jus kb.
brazen aspen
Got 2 wins in a row
shield is goated
Wait, Meg lets us win? She believes she can kill us?
I been beating her and the hydra continously now for past 20 runs
She is so inclusive
ionic minnow
Do serrated point and flurry jab work well together
ionic minnow
She is so inclusive
this game is VERY inclusive
brazen aspen
I wonder if Zagreus can go to Olympus
ionic minnow
I wonder if Zagreus can go to Olympus
[Answer] ||Unfortunately not|| [Additional Information] ||but there is an epilogue you can get that has something to do with Olympus if you like Olympus||
left scaffold
So I'm ca. 100 hours and 7 wins into Hades and still have no clue what is behind and how to unlock the little doors inside the keepsake box. I ask myself if I'm missing something glaringly obvious in plain sight? I ask myself if continuing to gift many hundreds more nectars to random NPCs is the correct progression system to one day unlock those doors?
brisk trail
So I'm ca. 100 hours and 7 wins into Hades and still have no clue what is behind...
Unironically keep giving nectars to NPCs until they want an Ambrosia, then give Ambrosia and they'll give you the thing for the little doors
wicked swan
Try just keyboard, maybe the auto aim will help?
tried that, didnt do too well
the only thing that was helpful from that was the rail having incredible aimbot
but then again you cant shoot your casts to the direction you want precisely unless you hover over the enemy with your cursor
and i absolutely cannot use bow and shield without it
brisk trail
So I'm ca. 100 hours and 7 wins into Hades and still have no clue what is behind...
If it helps, there are only 6 people (without mods) that can give you one: ||Meg, Than, Skelly, Dusa, Achilles, and Sisyphus||.
And ||Meg||'s is widely considered to be the best.
left scaffold
Unironically keep giving nectars to NPCs until they want an Ambrosia, then give ...
Hmm, I was beginning to think I should have focused my nectar gifting to fewer NPCs to perhaps expedite this progression.
gray apex
Flurry is strong enough as it is
ionic minnow
True, it wrecks things, so pardon me for thinking something that makes my dash strike hit 3 times would make it better :x
But I did notice it messed up the speed a little and came here to ask
raw herald
Do serrated point and flurry jab work well together
No, flurry jab alone is better
Oh it’s already been answered
oop
wicked swan
ive been trying to get meg's favor but i havent gotten rng luck yet, is there a specific trigger i have to do to get her event to start? i have max hearts pre key already
(it also took me ages to get than just because he wouldnt do the dialogue option)
ionic minnow
ive been trying to get meg's favor but i havent gotten rng luck yet, is there a ...
It takes a random number of encounters with each of the furies I think
If you want to speed it up the best thing you can do is to beat tartarus then die (not give up but die) repeatedly
wicked swan
ive killed her every single run for about as long as i can remember
ive also done her on em about once or twice
wicked swan
If you want to speed it up the best thing you can do is to beat tartarus then di...
so just reset multiple times over and over huh
maybe ill do that when i lose my streak
ionic minnow
Straight from the wiki: Favor
After a random number of encounters with the Furies, Megaera will approach Zagreus in his room, and tell him ||that she's only stopping him from escaping because she has to||. (This requires her to have first been in his room to collect her belongings.) After this interaction, Megaera can receive Ambrosia the next time she is met in the House of Hades
ionic minnow
i also looked at reddit threads, said the same thing
one of them suggested using EM but i didnt see anything conclusively saying you needed EM
high island
Pretty sure, yeah.
native blade
Lel
slim geyser
Could we count Dusa as lgbt cast?
maybe
depends if shes aroace or if shes just not into a relationship rn
personally i headcanon her as aro though
brazen aspen
Also as a floating head I dont think she does the ||Sex|| part
slim geyser
true
native blade
personally i headcanon her as aro though
Fair tbh.
native blade
Also as a floating head I dont think she does the ||Sex|| part
Nah, there’s actually-
Yeah, Hades isn’t cursed.
Tf did u think I was gonna say? 
high island
Might wanna keep it clean. 
native blade
Dash Nova, My Beloved.
native blade
My laptop keyboard just died when I was about to speedrun EM4 Hades…
I want to throttle something.
I think… I think I’m going to not hit Skully before I go on a run.
sigh...
gray apex
average dash nova enjoyer
native blade
average dash nova enjoyer
I ain't average.
gray apex
maybe
silver mica
I think… I think I’m going to *not* hit Skully before I go on a run.
Hey now, that's a bit radical
Take a moment to compose yourself
native blade
Hey now, that's a bit radical
Nah, it's his fault, why wasn't he blocking hits for me.
silver mica
And beat up the animated skeleton
native blade
Not hits till I beat Hades bass-boosted.
native blade
So I can complete the codex
Lel.
silver mica
I've only done battie and mort so far
Doing rib
Then Fidi
Then Shady, then
Whatever the last one is called
I forgot, I've never used it
toxic trellis
Antos… Anthos? One of those two
silver mica
I think Antos
native blade
Ye.
rustic vale
Antos… Anthos? One of those two
Antos 💪
native blade
But antos is cute
Understandable
stark prairie
Hello, how is everyone doing?
native blade
Hello, how is everyone doing?
Vibing, u?
stark prairie
Vibing, u?
I'm well, thank you for asking.
native blade
I'm well, thank you for asking.
Always, that’s good to hear.
slate quail
is it just me or does td3 make the satyr sack always spawn in one of the miniboss rooms
native blade
I don’t use it yet, em4, mid management, benefits package and FO for now.
slate quail
What device do you play on?
laptop
gray apex
is it just me or does td3 make the satyr sack always spawn in one of the minibos...
Just rng
Minibosses are faster and easier so you take them regardless
rustic vale
is it just me or does td3 make the satyr sack always spawn in one of the minibos...
Nope
rustic vale
I don't know, I don't use td3.
Td3 doesn’t change anything of the sort
The only thing td ever changes is removing survival rooms
slate quail
Minibosses are faster and easier so you take them regardless
oh that's interesting
wispy hound
How good is hades' keepsake?
gray apex
global damage is gud
native blade
How good is hades' keepsake?
So good
native blade
Only Hades flaw.
wispy hound
It's not the pom blossom
native blade
Prolly deliberate cuz Hades doesn’t wanna explain how it works.
wispy hound
Clearly a crippling flaw
native blade
It's not the pom blossom
OnlyFacts.
wispy hound
I love it when I end the run with a level 17 divine dash
native blade
Lel.
native blade
I love it when I end the run with a level 17 divine dash
Me but with Tidal Dash.
wispy hound
And literally nothing else gets leveled
native blade
And literally nothing else gets leveled
Pffft.
wispy hound
Me but with Tidal Dash.
Tidal dash is a magnet for pom blossom for whatever reason
native blade
Tidal dash is a magnet for pom blossom for whatever reason
Lel.
Persephone and Unc Pos are friends?
I mean he’s the only brother actually likeable
native blade
Zeus isn't half bad
He’s half bad, the only half good are his op boons.
tired karma
at least demeter has a good aspect
tired karma
zeus bayblade is boring af
native blade
Hot take
wispy hound
I personally want an apology for making ares' aid so goddamn lame
native blade
I personally want an apology for making ares' aid so goddamn lame
Lel.
It looks so dumb.
tired karma
his aid is lame but he still managed to hook up with nyx
native blade
And he’s so baddass.
wispy hound
I would have loved a god call that would give you a flat damage bonus and reduction
native blade
I wonder if someone’s made a mod to compensate.
tired karma
hermes aid
native blade
I would have loved a god call that would give you a flat damage bonus and reduct...
A doom proc aid like Dio
native blade
hermes aid
Facts.
native blade
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EujcsBiWQAMqVo2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
Honestly, ship.
wispy hound
It's a sin ares' legendary boon is blade rift focused and not doom focused
Cast build stans will probably try to butcher me though
toxic trellis
It's a sin ares' legendary boon is blade rift focused and not doom focused
Yeah, but then again, when you have normal boons that can lengthen, strengthen, and stack your Doom effects, what else could a Legendary really do?
wispy hound
Make it one-shot bosses
And its not like blade rifts have any shortage of boons as well
native blade
Cast build stans will probably try to butcher me though
Nah, I’m a Cast simp, it’s just not worth.
toxic trellis
It’s among a short list of casts I try to avoid
Same with the call
Too situational and requires either me or the enemy to stand in one place for a bit too long
mint coral
Ares doesnt have a call
wispy hound
It's so lame it might as well not exist
arctic flax
yo
native blade
I still can’t believe I didn’t knowZ
native blade
honestly Ares's call should be like dionysus
I was literally saying, it makes so much sense.
high island
She needs severe power up to keep up with Zag
Well, if she's so weak without power-ups, why don't you turn off your mirror and fight her?
brazen aspen
Keys are expensive
native blade
She needs severe power up to keep up with Zag
You’re literally being supported by the majority of divine beings in existence while Meg is just a Fury supported by her sisters and nerfed to fight you.
native blade
Well, if she's so weak without power-ups, why don't you turn off your mirror and...
And no boons, level 1 weapon and perma death.
brazen aspen
How would one even do boonless? Not like you can sell them off
rustic vale
How would one even do boonless? Not like you can sell them off
You can sell them all off
native blade
How would one even do boonless? Not like you can sell them off
Heat level.
rustic vale
You either don’t pick up any or you sell all the ones you do end up picking up
native blade
^
rustic vale
Boonless as a category means if you pick up a boon you can’t use that input till you get rid of it
Boonless for Hades dialogue just means you can’t arrive at hades with any purgable boons
native blade
I want Meg with a machine learning’s algorithm.
rustic vale
I don’t
native blade
I mean mod.
rustic vale
imagine Hades enemy ai with a learning algorithim 
brazen aspen
No machine learning would give her new moves
rustic vale
Machine learning zagreus 
rustic vale
On hellmode
brazen aspen
Zagreus Bot: I have already done this fight 100 times
void vigil
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EujcsBiWQAMqVo2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
Please don’t post artworks without the source, and please post them in #fan-works 
native blade
Please don’t post artworks without the source, and please post them in <#4569365...
How ya doin Alma?
tired karma
Please don’t post artworks without the source, and please post them in <#4569365...
there's the author's name literally on the pic and the pic worked as a meme related to our discussion
void vigil
I see, but you should still link the source to give visibility to the artist even outside the fanworks channel
native blade
:/ ignored.
stone rune
FLAAAAAAAAAME WHEEEEEEELS
native blade
FLAAAAAAAAAME WHEEEEEEELS
Lel.
brazen aspen
Who teached Than to part his hair in the middle?
tired karma
hades
brazen aspen
He looks weird when he looks foward to the player
rustic vale
Front facing than
brazen aspen
Aaaaaaaa
toxic trellis
Front facing Than 
short glen
He's death. He's supposed to look dead I think
lone sable
ok why does hades need a 3rd phase just why
brazen aspen
Pact of punishment?
short glen
It's very extreme. An extreme measure if you will.
brazen aspen
Hades knows that the more time passes Zagreus will get stronger no?
In general greek gods get stronger with age
noble canyon
ok why does hades need a 3rd phase just why
he puts the extreme on extreme measure
native blade
Hades: Bass Boosted.
tired karma
ok why does hades need a 3rd phase just why
because he holds back against you
3rd phase is his real power
native blade
because he holds back against you
3rd phase is his real power
Well, it ain’t like the other phases were easy on em4 tbh.
tired karma
first and second are easy
native blade
Relatively.
native blade
Indeed
native blade
third phase is just hell
Took me a while to start clearing with Stubborn Defiance.
noble canyon
Took me a while to start clearing with Stubborn Defiance.
going to take a while in my case
native blade
going to take a while in my case <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
Watchu playing as?
noble canyon
Watchu playing as?
wdym
native blade
I felt that
Yep
silver mica
I didn't get to finish my last run
Might do that quickly
Ugh nvm
Died to EM theseus
Almost had him too
tired karma
What weapon
silver mica
Kept chipping away but I got owned by ballerina bull
So I used rib
Before theseus used his call though, so rib doesn't die instantly
tired karma
Just go to the other corner when he starts to spin
silver mica
Killed asterius and then got theseus to start his call
Used my own after his immunity ended
noble canyon
Weapon, keepsake, mirror, build, etc.
ohh, for weapon I usually go with the fists, tho recently I'm playing with the spear, I don't use the same keepsakes in every run since I'm trying to level all of them, companion I use Mort and I don't recall for the mirror in english, not native speaker ;-;
silver mica
Died to a spin attack
silver mica
What weapon
Zeus
native blade
ohh, for weapon I usually go with the fists, tho recently I'm playing with the s...
Take screenshot.
native blade
Died to a spin attack
F,
noble canyon
Died to a spin attack
F
silver mica
Time for a fist run
noble canyon
Take screenshot.
omw
silver mica
Isn't bull rush counter his spin
I just finished my call and I was in that tiny window where
You're not in the bull rush
native blade
Time for a fist run
nooooice.
silver mica
But you're trying to bull rush
native blade
Brain Dead gaming
tired karma
Merciful end demeter gaming
tired karma
Gilgamesh is worst fists aspect
gray apex
<@542795151135997953>
Nice
native blade
Gonna go for Tidal Gilgamesh
Splash Fist are pretty nice, talos aspect?
native blade
Gilgamesh is worst fists aspect
bait.
tired karma
The spin will even damage you more on gilgamesh
gray apex
Why did you stop at the end
silver mica
The spin will even damage you more on gilgamesh
Dash spamdash away
native blade
The spin will even damage you more on gilgamesh
Eh, skill issue honestly.
silver mica
Also I'm going for a different build
native blade
Dash spamdash away
^
silver mica
So I should be alright
native blade
So I should be alright
Gilga Splash Fists?
raw herald
https://clipchamp.com/watch/WH4UzFEiTO3
the heck
silver mica
Gilga Splash Fists?
I'm gonna go Tidal Dash, Drunken Flourish and Deadly Strike hopefully
raw herald
The end 😭
native blade
I'm gonna go Tidal Dash, Drunken Flourish and Deadly Strike hopefully
Ahhhh.
silver mica
Already got tidal dash and rupture :)
raw herald
You just died
raw herald
Ohhh
noble canyon
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> the addiction is real
same
silver mica
Got demeter rare crop
Heroic tidal and rupture, here I come
Okay hammer choice
Rending claws, concentrated knuckle or flying cutter
Ehhh I'll go rending
native blade
native blade
Ehhh I'll go rending
Rending ye.
silver mica
Yes
native blade
Rush Kick and Breach focus.
silver mica
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1063598601151979601/1066438988157681684...
It's funny as hell with swift strike
native blade
It's funny as hell with swift strike
Lel, kk.
rustic vale
World splitter is a sword hammer
silver mica
My dash is unparalleled now
noble canyon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1063598601151979601/1066438988157681684...
pain.
silver mica
I got two more dashes from hermes
rustic vale
World Splitter one of the top 12 sword hammers fr
native blade
World Splitter one of the top 12 sword hammers fr
Lel.
silver mica
^^^
noble canyon
Rly? It looks dum but it seems strong.
I feel a bit goofy playing with it but it's funny
native blade
I feel a bit goofy playing with it but it's funny
Indeed.
stone rune
World splitter is a sword hammer
no its for talos
rustic vale
Rly? It looks dum but it seems strong.
Keyword seems
silver mica
Hydra time
native blade
Keyword **seems**
Ah.
tired karma
Imagine if talos worked on bosses
rustic vale
It’s one of the 4 sword hammers that negatively affect you in some way
silver mica
Hydra ded
stone rune
It’s one of the 4 sword hammers that negatively affect you in some way
whats the 4th? itd be like splitter, ig dash nova, cursed slash, and what else
stone rune
real
silver mica
Colossus knuckle, flying cutter or concentrated knuckle
rustic vale
whats the 4th? itd be like splitter, ig dash nova, cursed slash, and what else
Flurry
raw herald
Flying cutter prob
tired karma
Colossus
rustic vale
Splitter doesnt
It does if you accidentally standing strike
raw herald
Don’t do that then
stone rune
Colossus knuckle, flying cutter or concentrated knuckle
escape, s, s, s, s, s, enter
switch weapon
raw herald
Flying cutter would have helped more against bosses
silver mica
Once I get my exclusive access and swift strike
tired karma
It will make ur fists slow
silver mica
It'll be good
raw herald
Base damage on fists isnt that good
rustic vale
And concentrated doesn’t help it enough
silver mica
Got my swift strike
Time to annoy grandmother
Got aid :)
Time to fight EM Theseus as well
native blade
Time to annoy grandmother
You crazy person…
silver mica
Lmao I got the interaction where ||Theseus offers his autograph||
rustic vale
The only autograph that matters is Asterius’
native blade
Lmao I got the interaction where ||Theseus offers his autograph||
You’re good not to spoiler here btw.
silver mica
Just making sure
Anyways
I died :D
But it's fine bc I accomplished my main goal
Using companions against heroes
native blade
Lel.
silver mica
And grinding for gemstones
native blade
And grinding for gemstones
Ahhhh, watchu saving for?
native blade
Nice.
native blade
Nooooooice.
silver mica
And I got heartbreak flourish
native blade
YUH!!!!
fervent jewel
yeah heat 32 is fat bs 
silver mica
Heart rend before hydra
fervent jewel
i had a bruh moment as soon as hades pulled out the mini bosses
fervent jewel
i'd want to beat em4 hades to complete the game but yeah i get u
latent moon
Beat it at a lower heat lmao just do em4 only
Doing it for the first 32 is gonna take ages
fervent jewel
good work!!
lone sable
Why the hell do i need a spear aspect for the other 4th aspects?
native blade
Pffft
woeful finch
Is there some rule about having to get a certain number of god boons before you get a second of the same god? Or about getting a god twice in a row? If I reroll early on Tartarus I am never getting the same god twice in a row
gray apex
Is there some rule about having to get a certain number of god boons before you ...
No and no, it's rng
But you can fill your god pool to improve the odds of getting the gods want, no guarantees tho
stone rune
what weapon should i max next
latent moon
Chaos
latent moon
she never said it had to be a good one
stone rune
im pretty sure i've got all the good ones by now
sword done, bow done
achilles and guan yu done
everything but chaos done
demeter done
everything but zagspect done
noble canyon
done in what matter?
stone rune
so i think i've got everything people are fond of other than apparently there are people who enjoy using the fists
maxed
native blade
so i think i've got everything people are fond of other than apparently there ar...
Indeed.
noble canyon
so i think i've got everything people are fond of other than apparently there ar...
the fists are so good
latent moon
@proud nexus using god mode still makes you have to actually learn the game lol. when maxed, 80% damage reduction is still a lot but it only does so much.
you still have to learn a lot of enemy timings, avoiding damage and whatnot. it just gives you more leeway. yeah, it's technically "easy mode", but you're not losing out on any of the experience of actually playing the game
proud nexus
Dude
native blade
Best ez mode I’ve ever seen.
latent moon
it sounds easy, but it's not really easy lol
proud nexus
I have been to Elysium 3 times already and I beat asterius twice
latent moon
challenging fights will still be challenging
stone rune
getting pwned by asterius is fun
latent moon
i mean yeah it's fine that you just got there recently so ofc it's gonna be a struggle at first, but we're just saying that don't discount god mode if you have to resort to it lol
proud nexus
I want to crush Theseus' genitalia
latent moon
there's no shame in using god mode
noble canyon
I want to crush Theseus' genitalia
me too bro me too
stone rune
I want to crush Theseus' genitalia
i do too 🤤
latent moon
i hate asterius only because he just has more hp and i can't kill him as fast lmao
speedrunner brain moment
noble canyon
there's no shame in using god mode
agree, there's no much difference with normal mode, you just resist more damage
latent moon
you can face tank more but you can only face tank so much lmao
native blade
you can face tank more but you can only face tank so much lmao
I just use the face tank to deal more damage.
stone rune
face tanking worked for me the first 24 times
latent moon
I just use the face tank to deal more damage.
i mean if you use god mode just so you can face tank, you're not exactly learning lol