h1-discussion

[wispy hound]

I win every run but that is because it's easy

[stone rune]

no crop

3 rolls

[tall trench]

Rare crop as your first boon

[native blade]

Ohhhhhh

Well, it depends on what pact u choose.

[wispy hound]

Aspect of hades inflicts a debuff that makes enemies take 150% more damage

[tall trench]

Why not increase it? Or are you still getting all the 0 heat bounties?

[wispy hound]

Kind of

[raw herald]

Oh that

[wispy hound]

I do play with EM4 on

[native blade]

Bro's popping off rn.

[native blade]

...

You're just like me..

[tall trench]

If you care about bounties the difficulty curve of going from 0-20 with each weapon is really really slow

[wispy hound]

That hades bossfight though

[native blade]

It's craaaaaazy

[tall trench]

I've yet to see EM4 dad, I have my hopes up that if I beat it he'll tell me he loves me though

[native blade]

I don't think I've beaten it with anything other than Punchplume tbh.

[native blade]

Lel.

[tall trench]

FFAOIJASFOI:DISLFJL

When you leave the hades fight
and as you exit
you hear the fish ding

[wispy hound]

I just don't find the extra conditions fun to play with, maybe I will put on some that doesn't disrupt normal gameplay too much, like increased Charon prices

[native blade]

Damn, I still haven't put that on yet.

[tall trench]

There's a heat guide in the heat channel that is really good imo, I'd check that out

[wispy hound]

He got me the first time around, I almost killed him but ended up getting me with those god damn vases

[tall trench]

It really makes turning the heat up feel less impactful as you go while still learning how to handle conditions gradually

[native blade]

I usually put on Middle Management cuz it makes the mobs more fun.

[native blade]

F.

[wispy hound]

I kid you not, if the fight wasn't so vase spam reliant, it might as well be one of my favorite bossfights of all time

Not that anything could beat slave knight gael from dark souls 3

[tall trench]

Dad said I did a good job
Good job to you too dad, || love you dad ||

[wispy hound]

Second time around I beated him with a death defiance and skelly keepsake to spare

(Maybe I just won because of drunken strike level 7)

[native blade]

My heart belongs to Musphelhein Valkyrie from God of War 4

[native blade]

...

[native blade]

🥲

[tall trench]

Isshin my beloved || DoH can get removed from the game though ||

[wispy hound]

Am I that bad of a player

Does my skill have that much of an issue

[native blade]

Nah bro, you're too goated.

I'm scurred

[tall trench]

Talking to orpheus

why is it in the game

[wispy hound]

Remember, I played ONLY with EM on, so it really isn't anything of note

[native blade]

Ask the other peeps if that's not a big deal

[tall trench]

Wait, Nyx has a crush on Ares? Interesting dialogue

[wispy hound]

Oh I also fought Charon on that run for the first time

Didn't expect him to put up that much of a fight

[stone rune]

family favorites is gonna be crazy this run

35% flat bonus

[tall trench]

Charon's moveset is small enough to get predictable after a few fights, but all of his stuff hits like a truck

lol that 7 god pool

[stone rune]

wrong reply

[wispy hound]

What

[stone rune]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tall trench]

It's true, she doesn't even give you your ambrosia back

[wispy hound]

Do god keepsakes make them appear more often?

[stone rune]

no

they appear once guaranteed

[wispy hound]

Damn

[stone rune]

well

sort of

you have a 4 god pool

so having them in your pool

makes it much easier than

not having them

i guess

[toxic trellis]

They just guarantee them showing up the first time you put it on

[wispy hound]

That is just what I want

An epic Artemis aid at the start of the run sounds busted

[stone rune]

usually you'll see them a few more times

unless you're me rn

7 god pool

[wispy hound]

Venting your bad luck

[stone rune]

no im doing this on purpose

need to invite everyone

[wispy hound]

Best duo boon?

I got that one dyonisus + poseidon duo boon at the start of a run once and it was amazing

[stone rune]

there's a lot of good ones

a lot of people like

idk

ME

[wispy hound]

Not sure if it's the best though

[stone rune]

hunting blades

there's also a lot of parting shots

[wispy hound]

Sounds like Artemis + ares

[stone rune]

yep

[crisp summit]

how many poms does dio attack on demfist usually want (ballpark figure)

[stone rune]

23

[tall trench]

Why does Athena complain in trial of the gods
like you literally just shield the enemies infrequently I'm not putting up with aphrodite's heart spawning right next to me sorry

[stone rune]

artemis though

i always feel so bad

cause shes always like "i thought i had forgotten what an arrow in the back felt like"

please i just didnt wanna take 45 damage from homing shot

[tall trench]

Yeah she's always particularly hurt about it but she also gets weird about it sometimes so I'm mixed

"you underworld gods are all the same"

Just feels wrong

[stone rune]

i mean

you did usually just say that you'd rather have pent up anger granny than her

[tall trench]

I remember when I got Athena's bond she gave this whole speech about how touched she was to have learned my nature is true and how are bond will be unshakeable, and the very next chamber she tried to kill me because I took an Ares boon

I dunno I wonder how trial of the gods looks on their end

They seem to take an unnecessary amount of offense at it, I wonder if zag explained it at the epilogue party

[stone rune]

welp

after this run

[tall trench]

"On our end we just send a boon out and get a middle finger emoji back"

[stone rune]

i get to see that epilogue party

<3

[tall trench]

so hype

[stone rune]

3 more gods

zeus arty athena

[wispy hound]

Artemis is the best goddess dont @ me

[stone rune]

APH BETTER

APH CLEARS

[wispy hound]

Aphrodite?

[stone rune]

yep

[wispy hound]

Nah, I'm talking about personality

[stone rune]

aph stays winning

she got that big big energy

[tall trench]

Arty has strong "live in the woods energy" but I dig it can't lie. If I didn't know callisto was canon in Greek mythology I'd be positive Artemis made her up

[stone rune]

test

test 2

wtf

[tall trench]

you might have gotten timed out for ranking aphro over arty

[stone rune]

no

my discord was fine

spotify was saying no wifi

granted i'm right

[tall trench]

Spotify do be like that

[stone rune]

decided to rossz instead

all invitations sent

now to finish this run

[tall trench]

Purging pools man

I swear

4 boons, 2 rerolls

still didn't get the one I wanted to purge

[stone rune]

how??

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

I’ve got the shakiest run rn lol.

[tall trench]

just same options in a diff order

[stone rune]

got deadly reversal

[tall trench]

I have a vid of it somewhere, but one time I rerolled a god boon and I got the same 3 options, same order, same rarities. I feel like when that happens you should at least get all 3 of them as like a prize

deadly reversal is 20% crit chance whenever you deflect right? Like that one on ME if I can get it

[stone rune]

yeah for 2 seconds

but i onyl have divine strike

not divine dash

[tall trench]

Lightning phalanx with deadly reversal is lol

oof, I'm heading towards a similar situation actually

was trying to purge this dash but couldnt

[native blade]

I’m at Styx with no dash lol

[tall trench]

maybe you can pick up that sweet sweet blade dash

[native blade]

I’m actually eyeing up Drunken Dash rn.

Want that D.O.T.

[tall trench]

I would literally take blade over drunken unless I needed a status or had synergy

the fact that it places the dot where you start your dash just makes it awkward to me

[stone rune]

yeah

[tall trench]

I think blade dash unlocks some bad tier 2 stuff though so there's that

Unless you're trying to build for blade rifts for ... reasons

[stone rune]

does it do HB

[manic kraken]

only viable blade rift build is hb and you neeed cast for thst

[tall trench]

yeah hunting blades is alright

[manic kraken]

but it’s only on cast

[stone rune]

yeah

has to be cast

[tall trench]

Well, speaking of deadly reversal
I'm the idiot who opened it up before getting ME
so now I have that but no ME

I win

[stone rune]

trolling

well i have it but no ddash

i feel like im waiting for sundown so i can have my presents

i just want this run to be over

so i can epilogue

[tall trench]

Apparently I'm taking passion dash to the end of the run

[stone rune]

LOL

[rustic vale]

Imagine failing a ~58% chance

Skill issue

[stone rune]

fun fact: that's not how that works!

it was actually failing about a 98.4375% chance

if you cube the 3/4, that's the chance of getting it every single time, or about 42.1875%

its converse is about 57.8125%

which is the chance of either getting it 0, 1, or 2 times

you instead must take the converse of getting it 0 times

which is the cube of 1/4

well

the converse is 1 minus the cube of 1/4

or about .984375

[rustic vale]

Hmm

Oh frick

[tall trench]

Thanks to you both for the dilligence in quantifying my skill issue

[rustic vale]

I may have just

Pulled a big stupid

[stone rune]

yeah

it would be pretty absurd if your chance lowered with more rerolls

[rustic vale]

and calculated it like calculating odds for a hit in dnd

[stone rune]

stats can be strange

[rustic vale]

Your chance isn’t lowered by more rolls

[stone rune]

i got lucky enough to have it come to me naturally

no i mean as in

when you cube a number (0,1)

it lowers

so clearly that's not how it would work with rerolls

[tall trench]

I was on a stream with a friend the other day and we rerolled a chaos room near 40 times before seeing favor

I since stopped quantifying the odds for mental health

[stone rune]

you had 820 rerolls?

[tall trench]

No it was a first room chaos drop, they rerolled once each attempt

[stone rune]

i see

[tall trench]

the boons were different but it must have been something with the RNG sequence

[rustic vale]

I can’t believe I had such a logical mishap

[tall trench]

since obviously each run it was starting from the same place

still felt nuts to see

[rustic vale]

Checks out

[stone rune]

do i buy stygian diamond

[rustic vale]

Stygian diamond?

[stone rune]

diamond in styx

[rustic vale]

if you need it

[tall trench]

yeah, its a flex

[rustic vale]

Not really

[stone rune]

bought

[tall trench]

didnt say it was a big flex lol

[rustic vale]

Because ending up in styx shop with that many obols still is

[stone rune]

yeah hades i BET YOU NEED REFRESHING

[tall trench]

lol

[stone rune]

you havent killed me for 60 RUNS

[tall trench]

I love when you enter and he's like "maybe the fates will favor me this time"

"tell no one at the house"
dad it's a 60 streak like
ok

which exalted would you vote off the island and why is it the shield exalted?

[stone rune]

was that supposed to be underwhelming

[EXTREMELY LOUD BUZZER]

[tall trench]

I mean, I think what we're saying is

just pray for spear exalted

I got divine dash, I got ME, have deadly reversal
It's not crazy to replace divine flourish with deadly flourish is it

dash is for triggering ME, demmie special just needs to hit hard

lol yes

I couldn't remember for sure if swords even existed

so yeah they are easy

Yeah I know what you're talking about, not sure about the shield thing though

would take either over bow/shield but still watch the spear guys

the shield wave attack thing that goes through obstructions gets me if I don't pay attention to them more

screw it deadly flourish it is

wow I

wow

1. attempt to purge passion dash every blood fountain so you can get divine dash, but fail
2. finally purge on a mid-floor fountain, get divine dash at end
3. beat champions
4. unthinkingly purge divine dash when it comes up on fountain
5. become clown

oh quit out coming in clutch

[native blade]

Lel

[stone rune]

right on

wait

im reading this thing

and

does gilgamesh really multiply your damage taken by 1.5??

if you dash Q

[native blade]

Yep.

It’s still My beloved Gilga though.

[rustic vale]

No
It adds to the additive +%

[native blade]

O

[rustic vale]

if you have no other boosts

Then yes it’s a 1.5 multiplication

[stone rune]

that's asourt

jesus

[rustic vale]

It’s really not

wait

Nvrmind

Yes it is

I had a brain wonk

I believe damage taken is additive

[stone rune]

so you have 2/3 ehp assuming no like chaos curses or something

[rustic vale]

Not dmg resist mind you, dmg taken, difference

[rustic vale]

Only if you’re applying maim to every single enemy

Since the damage boost is only for maimed enemies

[stone rune]

so

for the quest for all mirror talents

do you need to actually have points in them

[crisp summit]

How hard would 57 heat God Mode (up to 80% damage reduction) be? How would it feel? Trivial? Like 16 heat? Like 32 heat? Like 50 heat?

[stone rune]

so

you'd take 0.4 dmg

[raw herald]

I’d guess in the high 40s

[stone rune]

it would still be hard

[raw herald]

CP2 FO2 EM4 is no joke

And with no build

[stone rune]

cause like

thilly

[raw herald]

You can play way more aggressively

[crisp summit]

Oh I meant 58 then. Point was TD0 yes

Because it would be more realistic for me. It's not free to me fam especially not with a lot of other heat

[stone rune]

should i blood dump achilles?

i have 43 rn

[raw herald]

Sure

[stone rune]

i wanna try something new

[crisp summit]

Well it would still be an interesting experiment. 57 heat I can take at my own pace and effectively have 5x health while still dealing with all the mechanics

You're right I probably won't make it past lernie

(TD just sucks mentally because it takes away any strategy that relies upon kiting or stuff like that)

[raw herald]

What’s the highest heat you’ve done without godmode

[crisp summit]

17

Zeus Shirley

[stone rune]

wait

[crisp summit]

Shield* thank you autocorrect

[stone rune]

does zag block the wrong way with beowulf???

[raw herald]

Well it’ll be cool to see how it goes

[stone rune]

the animation has him pointing it backwards

[raw herald]

It has a much wider block angle

It’s like 200 degrees

[crisp summit]

Yeah I'll definitely update you guys when I do it!! Currently on another run but should be soon

[rustic vale]

Those strategies are 4 iq anyways because speeeeeed

[crisp summit]

But consider: only real reason for speed is TD. No TD, now its about playing it like chess

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1063655896598728785/20230113190758_1.jpg

look at this

[rustic vale]

No

The reason for speed

[stone rune]

faster = less dmg taken

[rustic vale]

Is to have a better victory screen

[raw herald]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/1063655919134703716/IMG_4531.jpg

[rustic vale]

The longer you fight the more chances you have to die

[stone rune]

looks like im not using this thing!

why would it be asym

[raw herald]

No it’s good

You get more block

[crisp summit]

Beo is better at blocking??

[raw herald]

He holds the shield to his right

It blocks the front and the right

[crisp summit]

That's a little wacky

[raw herald]

Yeah lmao

[stone rune]

really, the attack should block

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1063656437177397339/20230113191048_1.jpg?width=1246&height=701

tell me how something goes thru that

[crisp summit]

i mean this is also valid

[latent moon]

ah that explains getting stabbed through my shield a lot more

[fervent jewel]

i want to try out other weapons but because the bow is my priority i'm kind of spamming it for heat

i might change aspects... chiron is cool it'll be my ace in the hole my "damn this run tough... time to spam triangle and win!"

[tall trench]

chiron as an ace in the hole
but I mean whatever works lol

[native blade]

Lel, everybody should have their ace build.

[native blade]

It's crazy tho, cuz I suck ass at bow.

What's your worst weapon?

[tall trench]

sword.
nemesis sword works but I suck at it
arthur works but I suck at it
poseidon sword lets me pretend I'm not using sword its just a bad achilles simulator

[latent moon]

lmfao

[native blade]

Lel.

[latent moon]

i'm pretty sure that's the reason @mint coral likes pos sword lmao
you dont play it like normal sword, and sword sucks

[brisk trail]

i do not like exagryph

[native blade]

Wait why?

[latent moon]

i will say, having to reload is such a pain

or rather

managing reload

knowing when to reload

[tall trench]

exagryph is my favorite, hestia has not let me down once, but I'm only up to 18 heat

[latent moon]

hestia solves the problem of not knowing when to reload, because you always know when to reload

[brisk trail]

maybe im just playing it a bit too much, been using eris to climb heat so probably just burnout

[latent moon]

might be it

i burnt out on beo after using it so much

[tall trench]

totally
dash-strike -> special-reload -> dash-strike -> dash-reload
melts

[latent moon]

something like that yeah

whatever the hestia guide shows

[tall trench]

I feel this. At my heat levels beo is mind numbingly free, but I groan when darkness is on shield rn

[latent moon]

beo is just strong lmao

even without the mirage bug it's still extremely strong

[tall trench]

yeah, even if the entire build goes wrong, as long as I have a working cast its pretty free at current heat

but the rush gets tiring

[latent moon]

how does your entire build go wrong lmao

[tall trench]

basically not getting mirage shot lol

[latent moon]

ah

yeah that's fair

[tall trench]

thats the thing, its so strong but also so simple to build

[fervent jewel]

shield

never did a shield run ever i find i so boring!!

[latent moon]

lmao

may i interest you in beowulf

:)

[brisk trail]

i just unlocked beo its goated

[latent moon]

beo is so stupid i love it

bugwulf my beloved

[tall trench]

almost done with bounties, what a grind

[latent moon]

where are you at rn

[tall trench]

18 on most weapons

Yeah you don't need to do specific heat for each one true

but you do need to do go back and get the lower ones

afaik

[latent moon]

could honestly just crank it to 32 heat for your 20 heat bounty lmao
it'll accomplish the same goal basically

[native blade]

Nepty, you are my brother (sister?) in arms.

[fervent jewel]

it works good for me and i have fun with it

[tall trench]

[native blade]

U play on controller or keyboard?

[latent moon]

kbm

[tall trench]

so I can get the lower heat bounties without doing lower heat?

flsdajgldjgldkjsag;j

[brisk trail]

wait what

[latent moon]

if you're on heat 18 for your bounties and you do 32 heat, that'll fill out your 18 heat bounty. you'll have to do 19 after that

[native blade]

So freaking good, nearly made me switch from fists to shield.

[tall trench]

wow I just wish I had learned this so much earlier

[native blade]

I do, I just like fists more.

Damn.

Makes sense.

[latent moon]

oh i dont even have 40 hesty lmao

i prob should

[fervent jewel]

i think my favorite aspect of chiron is melting bosses, it's funny with the right boons like artemis

well not the "right" boon

[latent moon]

may i interest you in beowulf

[fervent jewel]

but i liked being able to just press triangle and be like surely rng will bless me with crits in... at least 6 arrows

i noticed beo indeed sry

what dos it do

[latent moon]

big boom

mirage shot is bugged on it so it does 100% damage instead of 30%

flood flare -> deadly strike -> mirage shot

and then classic hermes of hyper sprint + rush delivery

guaranteed to instaphase every boss

[fervent jewel]

ah i see, it sounds neat, i might try that out and tell you about it

but idk whenever i tried shield builds i sort of gave up because i wasn't feeling it

[native blade]

Fair.

[fervent jewel]

the bow is fun but yeah i get you i thought it was an awkward weapon

[native blade]

Tbh bow builds are my nemeses, it’s just pure suffering whenever I play.

Hold on.

[latent moon]

to be fair, shield is a very awkward weapon

[native blade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/y7of33/life_is_pain_survival_is_suffering_existence_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[fervent jewel]

but i think i got into the groove of running around spamming it. I also liked the spear and gauntlets and hex was my weapon that nabbed the first clear run but idk something about riddling a target with arrows felt fun

[latent moon]

without charged shot, it feels kinda blegh

[native blade]

Hex?

[fervent jewel]

i could picture theseus getting hit with a full charged volley being like "YEEPERS MY HEALTH IS GONE"

the gun weapon exagryph i think?

[native blade]

Also fair, I won my first run with Fists and from then it was an inseperable bond.

[latent moon]

my first clear was also fists, but i hate it now

[native blade]

And that was before I found Zagfist Plume Gaming.

[fervent jewel]

yeah it's always the first weapon that you used to triumph over your dadd yissues that will stick with you

[latent moon]

fists is my least favorite now lmao

[native blade]

Lel,

[latent moon]

used to hate shield, rail, and spear

[fervent jewel]

fists is fun with demeter but i think it was neat to ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA on people

[latent moon]

now i hate fists, sword, and spear lol

[native blade]

What's ur favourite?

Wait...

@latent moon That was for u.

[native blade]

OH, nice.

[latent moon]

shield because i can guarantee charged shot with the modpack lmao

[native blade]

Lel.

[native blade]

Spear just catching shade no matter what.

[latent moon]

if i didn't have those mods, i probably would've been a hestia main

[native blade]

It's funny cuz Spear was my first love.

[latent moon]

or maybe hera once i learned how good it was at speedrunning idk

[toxic trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[fervent jewel]

also the zeus technique run was like i was just blasting those poor little people with lightning

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/my-besto-friendo-jujutsu-kaisen-zorothex-gif-23553828

[fervent jewel]

i had electricity enough to power a whole city or so and i used it to blast skeleton hydras, men-bulls and ugly unhygienic goats in the face all day

[native blade]

Zeus is so freaking strong, and yet I hate him so much lol.

[fervent jewel]

zeus is low-key (highkey) the woooorst in lore lol is that why?

[native blade]

Hestia goated fr.

[native blade]

Yes.

I have made it my mission to despise Zeus in this game.

I have never picked his boons willingly.

He's the only person I didn't max affection on.

I just took his keepsake and never spoke to him again.

[fervent jewel]

well he called me his favorite! but yah i get you it was weird taking his boons knowing that he thoughtlessly started a big crisis

[native blade]

Nah, I'm just weird. I just really enjoy bein Zeus' biggest hater tbh.

Genuinely it's fun whenever I see someone who likes Zeus builds .

[fervent jewel]

i do like the idea of Zeus like "caring" for his big brother and trying to make him feel less lonely but being so far removed from conventional morals when you get down to it that he thought his solution was flawless and everyone involved would gel with it.

[native blade]

His boons are really good.

[native blade]

True.

[fervent jewel]

but i fully get u

big nasty godman

[native blade]

Bro really is just the baby brother.

Never grew up.

[native blade]

Absolute Scum.

https://tenor.com/view/anime-smirk-look-down-gif-23747669

[fervent jewel]

i think he and demeter are my favorite gods but like i don't think i'd be liking them if i were a greek mortal 😛

[native blade]

Lel, too true.

[fervent jewel]

well i might get smote/frozen for that but demeter especially is cold on them

[native blade]

I honestly like Grandmother a lot tho, (Even though she absolutely terrifies me)

[native blade]

🥶

[native blade]

Oh hey, no more HAdes?

[fervent jewel]

kinda interesting how my language's subtitles had demeter use harsher wording for the farmer she met way back

low-born isn't a particularly prestigious word to use in context but she said "miserable" outright so it gave me vibes it was a zeus-style fling and not something that still bothers her with how fleeting it was

[native blade]

Damn, that’s intriguing.

You still playing?

[fervent jewel]

oh sry

not right now but yeah i want to max the game out before i leave it be

[mint coral]

exactly

i still can play sword but i sure prefer avoiding it

[native blade]

Ah, np just checking.

[native blade]

Favourite Boon?

[latent moon]

boon

[fervent jewel]

i'd say demeter's meme beams because i remember how easy they made encounters but i had a good time with zeus's technique. Bigger bolts, bigger bolts that could strike twice at random, bigger bolts that spouted out lightning balls, it was a fun room-clearing exercise and useful in styx where imo you need to stun or kill the enemies hard and fast

you could say it apply to anything, even elysium, but the satyrs and floating laser beam snake stones i want gone as soon as i see them

[latent moon]

tdash + breaking wave deletes styx

guaranteed styx killer, but some other builds can get away with not needing that

[tall trench]

best boon is heart of stone

[native blade]

https://clipchamp.com/watch/HqL1obo4AIH

[native blade]

Had to do it to em.

[native blade]

Hold on, can y'all see this?

[latent moon]

yeah the video works

idk what you want us to see lmao

i skipped to the end to see the overall build but you didn't even finish the run lol

[native blade]

It's coming soon, it's loading, just wanted to show off a cheeky kill.

5 min 30 sec waittime.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/10bfuun/sd_supreme_domination/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

That was quicker than expected.

There seems to be an issue on my end, can y'all see it?

[thorny mirage]

I love reading comments on people calling Hades woke

[native blade]

Lel, seriously? Show me some.

[thorny mirage]

Game is fun but bull as its forcing my character to be gay with Thanatos. Meg has been stuck at least 10 runthroughs won’t let me progress or give her anything yet keeps forcing Thanatos gay on my guy. Its almost enough to ruin the game they should at least give you a choice if they want to ram in some woke agenda.

[native blade]

You’re yolking me rn…

Bro, you can choose to not do the Thanatos path. You’re just self-reporting.

[thorny mirage]

They’re screaming over a nonexistent issue because you can literally reject Than and Meg lmam

[brisk trail]

my only gripe with thanatos is that pallid twink always tryna show me up but keeps losing

[native blade]

I WAS SAYING!!!

[native blade]

Lel, facts.

[thorny mirage]

“Man how dare they push their woke agenda”
He says, repeatedly engaging in said “woke agenda” willingly

[toxic trellis]

My only gripe with Thanatos is that one forward-facing portrait

[native blade]

HOW DARE THERE BE CONSEQUENCES TO MY ACTIONS!!!!

[toxic trellis]

It throws me off every time the game uses it!

Stop doing that!!

[native blade]

With the weird smile?

[toxic trellis]

Yes!

It just doesn’t look right

[native blade]

It really does not… They did my boy Than dirty.

[brisk trail]

ferb facing forward

[toxic trellis]

Heh, pretty much

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-front-face-front-face-phineas-ew-kill-it-gif-18189973

[toxic trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-hades-game-supergiant-zagreus-roguelike-gif-24594533

[native blade]

Watchy’all up to?

[toxic trellis]

About to shower then fall asleep

Should’ve already done those by now, but, lol, lmao

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/zagreus-hades-gif-20895332

[mint coral]

Dude looks like phineas front facing

[native blade]

Lel.

[rustic vale]

I got that one irl

[sleek spire]

Hey guys! Just completed my first escape ever and it was amazing. But now I have to questions:

1. the game is supposed to keep on going for as long as I feel like playing it, right? Like, there’s no classic ending with credits and stuff, or is there?
2. right after completing it, I got to the stats screen and noticed I could lock/unlock some skills, almost like building a new set. What is that for?
   Thanks a lot!

[stone rune]

there are credits

and do you mean like

heat?

or mirror?

[sleek spire]

So I suppose I did’t actually “beat” the game?

[sleek spire]

This:

[stone rune]

if you're trying to upload an image you have to put it as a link

[sleek spire]

Oh, cant send pictures

[stone rune]

easy way is to send in another server and copy the linkn from there

[sleek spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1063702179006906379/IMG_5005.png

This

[stone rune]

oh

no

that's just your boons

[sleek spire]

But why can I lock/unlock them when I click ?

Like, rearranging

[stone rune]

that is which one is displayed

[sleek spire]

Oh, got it

[stone rune]

so you can show off which boons were most important to your win

[sleek spire]

Simpler than I thought

And regarding the credits, I suppose I should keep on playing?

To get there

[stone rune]

yeah

there's lots more stuff after your first escape

like

i first escaped at like

20 runs

14 hours

now im at like 80 runs and like 85 hours

and im nowhere near "done" with the game

[sleek spire]

Nice! Thanks a lot for the help ✌🏾✌🏾

[stone rune]

np

[native blade]

Wait...

#h1-victory-boasting message

Something's fishy here...

[stone rune]

twere an example

[native blade]

Ohhhhh

my b.

[crisp summit]

positive outlook is better than bronze skin. thank you for coming to my ted talk

[native blade]

Lel.

[latent moon]

bronze skin is a very low bar to pass

[native blade]

That's the one that heals u when u're below the boundary rii?

[native blade]

Aren't the dmg res boons rly good?

[latent moon]

bronze skin is like

5%

[native blade]

True.

[stone rune]

bronze is 10% ourple

[native blade]

Also, I looked it up, it was the other one lol.

[brisk trail]

quick question, does taking posiedon power on demfists special cause the multihit to miss any strikes because it knocks back or does the speed of the additional hits make sure that they are only knocked after they eat every hit

[native blade]

Different League is the same rii?

Or is it more?

[stone rune]

why would you take positron

[native blade]

I… do not know.

[native blade]

Cuz it’s so freaking good/fun.

Specially with Yo-yo fists.

[stone rune]

is mirage good with arty cast

[brisk trail]

idk about good but fun. And the percent that popped up is decent. I'm also just being impatient, if I were smart, I would keepsake Aphro (or maybe Arty for the Arty/dio duo since i have dio on attack (duh)) in Asphodel. But I want it in Tartarus and Posiedon is here in tartarus

[native blade]

I see you in Styx.

[stone rune]

yep

i am in styx

[native blade]

Catch that W

[brisk trail]

Guess ill try it

[stone rune]

might as well take it

another duo crossed off the prophecy

i have clockets rn so i should totally take anvil right

i also have heroic special speed

[native blade]

LEZZZZZ GOOOOO!!!!

I freed Syph.

[stone rune]

syph?

[stone rune]

i forgot to cast the entire fight

[native blade]

Si-syph-us.

[stone rune]

i feel like that's a strange shortening

[native blade]

It was a pain coming up with that nickname:

[native blade]

It is but… It’s the best I had.

[stone rune]

WTF NYX JUST LAUGHED??

[crisp summit]

people hate on aphro call but it literally removes lernie's final phase

[native blade]

WHAT?!??

[crisp summit]

You're practically garaunteed 1 greater call on the lernie fight by the time 2nd heads is over

and he goes to 0 hp with it

[latent moon]

it gets hate because it does like no damage unless you do full call lol

[native blade]

How can you hate on 2500 dmg?

Plus Charm, wtf?

[crisp summit]

right??

[stone rune]

apparently some people don't like charm

i guess it's bad if you're better

[latent moon]

and the general rule of thumb is that small calls are better than large calls, aphrodite and artemis are the only gods you want to full call

[native blade]

Then u just use it to clear mobs.

[crisp summit]

tbh most non-greater calls do piss-all damage anyway, main exceptions being zeus and dio

[stone rune]

aaaareeeees

[latent moon]

yeah zeus and dio are the only good calls lol

ares call is lowkey worst call

[stone rune]

i'm quite fond of athena

[latent moon]

athena call's fine

[crisp summit]

athena the best (only) defensive call

[stone rune]

athena call with whatever that duo is is crazy

[latent moon]

poseidon call is good defensively at high heat

[stone rune]

you can just dodge attacks whenever you want to

[native blade]

Lel.

[native blade]

True

[stone rune]

all calls are defensive arent they

[latent moon]

technically yes

[stone rune]

you press call and you dont get hit

[latent moon]

since you get some iframes when pressing the button

but like

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

if we disregard that

pos call at high heat is nice defensively

good for invulnerability and movement

[stone rune]

is it rng when achilles gives you admin chamber whatever for his contract

[latent moon]

probably

[stone rune]

cause i just got the risk it all dialogue

[native blade]

U were saying btw?

[latent moon]

bruh lmao

[stone rune]

first ambrosia

[native blade]

AYOOOOOOO, me too.

[native blade]

Ahhh.

[latent moon]

me who skips all dialogue now:

i forgot like most of the story lines at this point lmao

[crisp summit]

is flame wheel release good or bad for speedrun

[latent moon]

good

those little bastards take forever to kill

and dont stop spawning

unarmored flame wheels take so much time to deal with

[crisp summit]

ty

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/755677197670285312/1063713389026738226/image.png

Damn.

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[crisp summit]

https://prnt.sc/g5LaIRcg4Ljh boi who do you think im getting these boons from

[stone rune]

someone give me an aspect

[latent moon]

chaos

[stone rune]

why are you so unkind

[latent moon]

i'm only passing on the pain

i was forced to do chaos last time

not by you

but by others

so now it's your turn

[brisk trail]

holy heck i LOVE the attention to detail. I just used aphro call against phase 2 theseus while he was being aided by aphrodite and theseus says "That was MY friend, you fiend!"

[stone rune]

uh

so

does chaos need high level

[latent moon]

nope

the special is useless

[stone rune]

so it's just lvl 0 zag??

[latent moon]

also how'd you manage to do that, i thought it was impossible for theseus to summon a god that you have

[stone rune]

clearly not

[latent moon]

also isn't that "that was my friend, you fiend" line meant for when you kill asterius

[stone rune]

AHHHH WHY DOES THE ATTACK DO 25

[stone rune]

yes

[restive turtle]

I like to see these four at the same time lol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/737924122289504297/1063714407231782952/image.png

[brisk trail]

oh lmao I mega misunderstood that then 😭

[stone rune]

this is actually tragic

why would anyone use this

[latent moon]

get chaos' for a 5th

[brisk trail]

Vorarose not make self look like a fool in hades discord challenge (VERY HARD)

[stone rune]

WHAT-a-rose????

you want me to WHAT???????

[brisk trail]

you are not the first one to make this joke ya rat but lmao it does still get me sometimes no correlation i promise

[stone rune]

VYLR Vore Your Local Rose Today!

[brisk trail]

might have good nutrients idk

[restive turtle]

A fifth?

[stone rune]

i have 54 titan blood

what do i do

nobody ever has any good ideas

[native blade]

Build a Titan.

[native blade]

Best part of the game imo.

[crisp summit]

max aspect of hades for the lols and try to make it work

[stone rune]

there is no good aspect other than arthur hestia and chiron

what a world

[latent moon]

chaos gives a defiance lol

[brisk trail]

definitely a true rule in general, but just btw I was mega misunderstanding the situation when I said that, so that statement you replied to was actually debunked. I think what actually happened is that's his line for when you kill asterius, and the god that was aiding him was Hestia (I am running modded which adds apollo and hestia) who is vaguely almost pink like aphrodite

I just happened to use aphro call to finish off asterius and assumed the wrong thing

[stone rune]

how do controller players even use bow

[brisk trail]

(also I just realized this revealed I messed up my timing by having asterius alive in phase 2 theseus )

[stone rune]

seems so awful

[native blade]

Lel, that’s quite funny actually.

[native blade]

They’re simply goated.

[stone rune]

like

you have to be walking at your enemy

or at least it seems

[brisk trail]

When you leave the heroes fight room without talking to the supportive shade

[native blade]

Shame.

I bet u didn’t give Bouldy nectar either.

[stone rune]

what's more fun

[native blade]

Btw, u really don’t like Pos huh?

[stone rune]

rama beowulf achilles hera eris nemesis

[native blade]

I had to give the guy Nectar.

[brisk trail]

out of all of those, I'm leaning ramabeowulferis

[restive turtle]

Ohhh is a legendary boon, I never got it

[stone rune]

wow

what a great aspect

[brisk trail]

right?

[stone rune]

probably deals loads of damage with 3 sources at a time

[native blade]

What does Eris, Hera and Nemesis do?

[stone rune]

eris is the gun where you deal more damage

hera is bow cast

nemesis is crit special

[native blade]

Ah.

Personally, Beo.

[brisk trail]

Eris is a gun one that makes it where you do more damage after standing in your special (GOOD global damage buff btw, especially at max aspect) -- Hera is beowulf but for bow more or less (you load your cast into your shot and it goes off at the end of your shot) -- Nemesis is sword that makes you shiny (+crit) for 4 seconds after specialing

don't you dare snail me, I gave more details

[native blade]

It fits my style to a T.

[stone rune]

oh man 15 titan blood reward

but i have to use cf ri dc ap

whyyy

[native blade]

Oh, ‘Preciate the clarification.

[stone rune]

would cf1 ri1 dc1 ap1 and nothing else be awful

i feel like it would be

ri suuuuucks

[native blade]

ri?

[stone rune]

routine inspection

[native blade]

…

[brisk trail]

it removes your mirror talents, 3 rows per level starting at the end

[native blade]

Why would u do that to yourself?

[native blade]

Oh Ik.

Just… why?

[stone rune]

15 titan blood

[brisk trail]

usually you don't, its basically the last heat anyone takes lol

[native blade]

Damn…

[stone rune]

yeah it's gaaarbage

[native blade]

Can’t even blame u.

[stone rune]

man

no dark foresight

that's gonna sting

[brisk trail]

it's the reason beowulf breaks down at 61 heat. You have to take enough RI where you don't get blood stones so no reason to use a castspect

[stone rune]

achilles works at level 1 right

[native blade]

Damn, I’m slaughtering with Yo-yo Fist.

Athena’s Aid and Flood Shot made a surprisingly good combo.

Ai peeps, I stole from Charon.

Tell my Moms I love them.

Also Zeus can screw himself for once.

Damn, Charon has 0 chill.

[latent moon]

beowulf starts to break down at 58/59 already because of dc lmao

[latent moon]

yes
if youre doing it for prophecy, i would do ri1 and ap1 each by themselves
dc and cf are fine to take together at low heat

[brisk trail]

that's one of those that really benefits from titan's blood. It can go up to 150% cast bonus which is big

[latent moon]

on the other hand, 50% cast buff is the same as max poseidon lmao

[brisk trail]

true but still, 3x power increase when maxed xD

[latent moon]

yeah lmao

[high island]

Beowulf can still deal with DC2 though.

Nowhere near as bad as RI3+.

[stone rune]

tbh im just doing it anyways because ri1 and ap1 both restrict your build but since this is otherwise like 2 heat i could do any silly build

if i lose my streak to 7 heat you can say i told you so

[high island]

RI3, you can reset a lot for a couple early AP2 grasp, but that just takes too long.

[latent moon]

i mean you should be fine depending on the aspect

if the aspect isn't that boon demanding, then you'll be fine

[stone rune]

nvm i just got luck of the century

baby got back came on on my playlist

got divine dash, i'm fine

[high island]

Win streaks just mean the runs haven't been challenging enough yet.

[latent moon]

true

streak 50 heat

[stone rune]

wdym? my streak is all 128 heat

i'll do 40 eventually and that'll probably be the end of it

[high island]

Streak 153 Heat then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i5JKZ8h7kY

[stone rune]

oh sorry i mistyped

it was actually 1024 heat

[high island]

Ah yes, patch -03.

[stone rune]

doom is applied with first hit on dc right

[crisp summit]

what do you mean 153 heat 👓

[latent moon]

yeah

[high island]

Early Access.

[latent moon]

like you slap them, and then the dc is removed but they'll have doom over their head

[stone rune]

side hustle crossed out

wait

why can i reroll

[crisp summit]

keys

[stone rune]

i thought the mirror also gave you the ability

what makes it not rolling the doors

[crisp summit]

turns out keys still give dice with RI

I'm presuming it's the mode you have it set to

[stone rune]

oh so is it just silliness

[latent moon]

RI gets rid of you having stock of it

so you dont start with them

but you can still get them

[stone rune]

do i roll hermes

eh i dont have anything to go for

[high island]

You can get dice from keys before you unlock the mirror talent, so the dice will work even without the mirror.

[crisp summit]

hyper sprint is the best 1st hermes pick

[stone rune]

but what chooses which one you reroll

[brisk trail]

This, so you can target rush delivery on 2nd hermes. There's one exception though. Rare/Epic Greatest Reflex. +2/+3 dashes you take over hyper sprint.

[high island]

Whichever one you've selected before turning on RI. If it's not unlocked yet, then you get Authority rolls.

[latent moon]

i still take hyper sprint unless i'm going for ME lmao

[brisk trail]

ifraaaames (but i respect your preference)

[high island]

Also, the reason we have that is because bablo asked for it in #hades-feedback in early access.

bablo saved us all.

[latent moon]

thanks bablo

[stone rune]

oooh ourple boon

[brisk trail]

yea wait how the heck does RI work if you dont have all your mirror unlocked

[high island]

It doesn't.

Can't use it.

[brisk trail]

ahh

[latent moon]

RI isn't a choice in the pact until you get a full mirror i think

[high island]

Yep.

[stone rune]

yep

it's just blank

[brisk trail]

i see, i see. They thought of that. Almost always the case with this game

[stone rune]

i thought there was a gap because of different types of heat or something

but nope

[latent moon]

imagine getting free heat as soon as you get your first clear because you dont have a full mirror yet lmao

[brisk trail]

probably wouldn't technically be worth it, but would be funny in the end

[high island]

Helps that they got a ton of free user feedback and made excellent use of it.

[stone rune]

augghhh

237 gold and i can only get a heart or a boon

boons are temporary... but max health is temporary but cooler

[brisk trail]

but good boons, which are temporary, help you get bounties, which are permanent

[high island]

Cooler is from a different franchise.

No saiyajin in this one.

Although they do come back from death just as much.

[stone rune]

i still havent done a 0 heat bow run

[brisk trail]

I noticed my need for health in hades kind of fell off as I played more. I remember getting the "Minotaur's Toughness" victory screen (win with more than 400 max hp) for a lot of my first clears because I was still learning enemy attack patterns as well as optimal boon combinations. These days I take more boons (don't get me wrong I still take hearts just not so many) and definitely use god keepsakes way more than cerberus collar (in fact I never use cerb collar anymore, it was once my #1 keepsake)

[stone rune]

i got >450 for like my first 24 clears

till i finally switched off arthur

[high island]

You'll want the 400+ HP again at high heat.

[latent moon]

sometimes i unga bunga too much to get a low time and die to dad because i have 1 DD and like 85 total hp lmao

[brisk trail]

lmao noted cant wait

[stone rune]

now kids, this is why we don't take high confidence no matter how high our confidence

[latent moon]

eh

[stone rune]

never believe in yourself

[high island]

No, that's why we take High Confidence.

[latent moon]

saves a lot of time in tart

[native blade]

Speak for yourself old man.

[stone rune]

you only get to take high confidence when cooler people tell you to

that's the rules

[latent moon]

also it's a very rare occurrence for me to die lmao

[native blade]

Lel.

[latent moon]

i was told to take HC a while ago

[high island]

'Tis I. I am the cooler people.

[latent moon]

also my guan yu run i just did had HC lol

[stone rune]

well

you need more references

[native blade]

Based af.

[high island]

Why take HC on Guan Yu when you can take no mirror at all?

[latent moon]

because i would like to not die

[high island]

What does the mirror have to do with that?

Isn't that a skill issue?

Idk m just asking questions.

[stone rune]

thanatos looking forward is terrifying

[high island]

[latent moon]

it is indeed a skill issue

[latent moon]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[stone rune]

you need 7 verified sources with phone numbers so we can verify your employment and resignation

[crisp summit]

https://prnt.sc/7Iesr6z7Olcs I was just blazed and randomly wondering how active you are in this server since I see you around a lot when I lurk. I don't know what number I was expecting, but it wasn't this one. I think you like this game!

[stone rune]

yes, this is an entry level speedrun

[high island]

Discord bugging out, that number isn't right.

[crisp summit]

ITS HIGHER???

[latent moon]

too bad

[stone rune]

i'm sorry, you're now banned from the celeste leaderboards.

[native blade]

Ayo, @stone rune I just got the Nyx laugh.

[latent moon]

bold of you to assume i'm good enough at celeste to actually be on the leaderboard

[stone rune]

then why were you applying

[high island]

https://i.imgur.com/nRmT595.png

[brisk trail]

did someone say celeste

[stone rune]

no

nobody said anything

[brisk trail]

[crisp summit]

daaaaamn, you'll have to celebrate when you hit 100k

[native blade]

Party in Hades chat.

[stone rune]

i'd hesitate to say it's humility to be like "no, i actually spend less of my numbered days on discord"

[brisk trail]

I can bring the kazoos!

[high island]

Yeah, how about we celebrate by everybody in the server gifting me 1 month of Nitro each.

Discord Nitro for life.

[native blade]

Lel.

[stone rune]

heart rend when my crit is my cast

troll

[tired karma]

it's good that devs are active on their server

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1063727270025506846/Screenshot_2023-01-14_095203.png

[brisk trail]

heart rend when your crit is your cast and you're on achilles:

[native blade]

Tell ya what, idk if they will but I don’t mind giving a month’s nitro.

[native blade]

[stone rune]

you know

theseus is just the ultimate verssion of the exalted shields

really annoying to hit sometimes

but generally very hard to get hit by

[high island]

lol appreciated, but you don't have to gift me anything.

[crisp summit]

the nice part is when he stands still to target you or call upon someone. Also that epic damage window that some aspects take great advantage of to burst him while hes doing his first p2 call

[stone rune]

his second phase is literally free with em3 on

you just dash left and right and spam attack

[crisp summit]

yeah, so is his first phase with em3 on. It's like, EM3 makes Theseus 25% easier and Asterius 75% harder

[stone rune]

em3 fo2 asterius

[native blade]

Nah it's fine, it's no skin off my back as long as u don't mind.

[stone rune]

i hate chiron in styx

your arrows disappear into the aether

[high island]

Tidal Dash or Smair.

Flood Shot if you don't get the dash and don't have Smair.

Well, Flood Shot + Breaking Wave.

[stone rune]

i would rather base cast my foes to death than use poseidon

[brisk trail]

cmon hes not great but hes not THAT bad

especially in Styx

(also flood shot beo owns)

[high island]

I mean Flood Shot + Breaking Wave will obliterate everything in the mini chambers in seconds... or less.

[crisp summit]

i forget, is tidal dash one of the ones that sea storm is bugged to not work with

[high island]

Works just fine.

Sea Storm doesn't work on Flood Flare. That's the only one.

[latent moon]

tidal dash just isn't a prereq

[native blade]

I would rather fight EM4 boonless and mirrorless than use Zeus.

[latent moon]

think of it how like ME can't get offered with just the dash, but still works with the dash

[brisk trail]

you can find all hades bug here btw https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit

[high island]

Double Strike is not a thing that exists in Hades.

[stone rune]

BAD NEWS DOES WHAT????

[native blade]

I’d argue most Poseidon boons own tbh. The knockback comboes into some crazy dmg and the support aren’t bad either.

[brisk trail]

yeah its REALLY good

[stone rune]

WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME THIS

[high island]

I see you heard the good news about Bad News.

[stone rune]

bonkers

i never even cast because im god awful at the game

[brisk trail]

just because it's a little hard to target a legendary (and also rush delivery is so good) but yeah if you can get bad news to show up its good news

[latent moon]

because it's very rare to ever aim for bad news lmao

[stone rune]

i always thought it was bad news when i picked bad news

which happened once in this game so far

but apparently not

[high island]

Tempest Strike is garbage and Tempest Flourish is cope. Flood Shot is only used for Styx specifically really.

[native blade]

Lel, bro I think u just need to change some controls around.

[brisk trail]

also I cant tell if you're joking or forgetting here but its a zeus boon

[native blade]

Eh, It works for me and it’s fun is all I can say in defense really.

Orrrrrr

I make a Pos build with any difficulty u choose.

[stone rune]

the % is so baaaad

tbh poseidon should have been on-hit

[high island]

Pretty normal to not use Casts too much early on. If you do some pure Cast builds, you'll start to naturally weave in more Casts in your other builds.

[native blade]

You’re looking at the wrong place, Wall Slam does insane combo dmg.

[brisk trail]

imagine a Poseidon on-hit effect where it summons a wave to whack into your enemy with a cool water wave animation

would also make a lot of sense for knocking them away, the wave literally pushes them

[stone rune]

"i shall not fall to you again" yeah sure buddy look how that went for you the last 67 times

[native blade]

Mod moment?

[brisk trail]

potentially :O I'll drop it in the modding discord just as an idea

[native blade]

@high island

Bet.

[stone rune]

57 heat

you can only take grey boons

[native blade]

🤞🏾

[native blade]

Alright.

[stone rune]

another prophecy complete

[native blade]

Noice, which one?

[stone rune]

all pacts

[native blade]

Noooooooice.

Tryna do the Lyre Prophecy.

[stone rune]

now i have 71 titan blood

[brisk trail]

what aspects have you NOT maxed? I can give reccommendations for your "next best" aspect (there may be slight bias, but I'll try my best to give the most objective answer)

[stone rune]

uh

i've only maxed

arthur

hestia

chiron

yeah

[brisk trail]

Oh, you haven't maxed most good aspects. Or any of the best aspects, really.

[high island]

I mean... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/787460139220336680/Hades_1240.png

[brisk trail]

@stone rune Do you like Shields? Shields are really good

Zeus and Beowulf especially

[high island]

Still bad, though.

[stone rune]

i'll have you know

arthur is the BEST ASPECT EVER!!!!

BY A LONG SHOT

WE WON THE ELECTION

[brisk trail]

Arthur is my favorite sword aspect, though many pros will tell you Nemesis is better, and I would maybe agree to that in terms of power. Arthur is almost never considered to be worse than 2nd place though

[stone rune]

arthur is the BEST!!!

of ALL

what's the last companion

oh achilles

[brisk trail]

One thing about arthur is it doesnt benefit super strongly from putting more titan blood into it, a level 1 arthur is almost as good as a level 5 arthur compared to aspects like Chiron, Achilles, Zagbow, Eris, Guan-Yu etc. that get WAY stronger with blood (or in the case of Guan-yu, goes from unplayable to playable and sometimes really good).

[stone rune]

40% dr saved my ass when i was new

[brisk trail]

yeah but are you always standing in your consecrated ground? if you are, you're probably taking unnecessary hits

I get it though. When you're new. It makes sense. But not a habit to keep super long.

[stone rune]

for some reason i almost always got holy consecration

[brisk trail]

does help for sure. I also love love love that consecration disables traps and magma, you can literally stand on magma in your consecration, makes EM2 lernie so much less tax-y

(granted, if it's fo2 em2 lernie, good luck getting your special off during 2nd heads)

[stone rune]

sooo

what aspects again

[solar vault]

my personal favourites are achilles spear and zeus shield

[brisk trail]

Zeus, Achilles (if you like castspects), Beowulf, Eris, Hera (if you like castspects), all good.

[stone rune]

why cant there be more hestias

point and click

[brisk trail]

Oh, demeter fists, if you are taking fists for dark thirst (or like fists for some reason)

[solar vault]

hera's vaguely almost not really like hestia

[brisk trail]

easiest comparison for hera is beowulf because they both have you load your casts into your charged-style attack

[high island]

Hera >

[brisk trail]

as a zeus shield stan i will not argue with you if you are saying hera > beo (even if a fair few people would). However if you are saying hera > everything, we go to combat today!

[high island]

Go to combat with me? Whatcha gonna do?