h1-discussion

[regal inlet]

Then that makes the good shade an antagonist

[tall trench]

You have to have 3 health bars to walk into that stadium wearing Zagreus colors, get ready for a tough battle

[regal inlet]

I really wish the more you beat the sus the less supporters he would get, and his confidence would deteriorate overtime, making the fight easier and easier.

But maybe that’s just me hating his character

[tired karma]

You pat the air

[tired karma]

Where u ever angry playing hades

Like hating the game kind of angry

[carmine cloak]

No just hating myself for ruining the whole run in room 1.

[brisk trail]

I've gotten pretty mad when dying cos sack rng

[tired karma]

I got very mad from dying on a run that would give me my new speed record
Died from a laser glitch on hades last phase when he had like 15% health

[tall trench]

Does charged skewer charge faster out of a dash than when standing still? Using Guan Yu and I can't tell lol

[kindred onyx]

OH NO!

Dusa!

Dusa just lost her job!

[kindred onyx]

WAIT I CANT SUNMON HER?

IM ABOUT TO HIT ELYSIUM ON HEAT 12 AND I PICKED FIDI!

AMIR!

Pls help

[warm shoal]

what do i need to do to hundred percent hades

[kindred onyx]

Lots of coffee

And lots of free time

[tired karma]

You need to reach 99% first

[upper oxide]

I need some help. I just got a quest where i was told to get to Hades' room. But the thing is that i haven't got access to the administrative room. There's not any option to unlock the room from the contractor. Anyone else got the same problem? I just wanna play this game more and more. TIA

I'm at my 26/27-ish attempt of escape btw

[timid valley]

just play the game, u will have ur chance of entering (;

[upper oxide]

I also already got the key from Achilles

[upper oxide]

But I can't

Cuz the game forces me to get to the room

[warm shoal]

how many gods do i need to give ambrosia to unlock final ending

[gray apex]

The admin chamber and hades' room are not the same

[upper oxide]

Don't you have to gain access to the administrative room first then you can get to Hades' room?

[gray apex]

No

You just need the key that Achillles just gave you

[upper oxide]

How to open the room then? Cuz I don't see any door to the room

[gray apex]

Are you trying this door? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/1059115240970788915/Hades_U0c72fo6e7.jpg

[upper oxide]

I wasn't. But Will try it now though. Thx

Oh wow it works. I feel so dumb right now. Thank you so much

I really thought from what i red that i was supposed to have access to the administrative room first then to this room

[silent wren]

I’ve been thinking about it. I almost always notice issues in games that I play that I tend to fixate on, which ruins my enjoyment of the game. I literally have no complaints for this game. How’d they do that

[vital spade]

[bronze forge]

You should play and unlock the administrative room. You’ll need it for some stuff. Trust me

[vital spade]

My complaint for the game is the presentation is better than the gameplay and it’s not hardcore enough and the runs begin to get boring and repetitive instead of continuing to grow interesting

Overall tho 8/10

[north shell]

i mean up to a certain point it can get more interesting imo

due to heat

[carmine cloak]

I think the gameplay is the best part. The presentation is just why dying doesn’t feel bad.

[vital spade]

Yeah I just beat 12 heat but haven’t lost to hades once yet. Idk I like the game I just expected more depth and also not as much grinding

[raw herald]

Beat 32 heat then

12 heat is barely getting into the depth of the pact tbh

[vital spade]

Like the game being procedurally generated they could’ve made ways to keep the runs feeling like they continue to evolve. It feels boring winning over and over and over and over just to get to a point where the risk reward is less in my favor instead of the game continuing to grow more interesting if that makes sense

Yeah but it’s just so much repetitiveness to even get to that point

[raw herald]

You can just jump straight to 32

You don’t need to go up one by one

[vital spade]

But I won’t get additional bounties that way

[carmine cloak]

You’re not interested in the bounties tho

[vital spade]

The game is kinda designed to do it piecemeal. And if I even manage to beat 32 heat early on then what

[carmine cloak]

Otherwise you’d still be grinding those out.

[raw herald]

Getting 20 titan blood from one kill would be very unbalanced lnao

[bronze forge]

Yeah if the game is easy and you don’t like the grind, you shouldn’t care about the bounties either

[carmine cloak]

I think a lot of people here have skipped many heat levels.

[bronze forge]

So turn up the heat and get your butt handed to you

[raw herald]

If the game is that easy then getting those bounties shouldn’t be too hard even at challenging heats

[vital spade]

All I’m saying is they def could’ve made the gameplay levels etc etc continue to be interesting. I mean it’s a procedurally generated game. They easily could’ve created strategies to make it feel less of a chore doing the same thing over and over while it trickles out slowly new lore while the gameplay barely changes. They could’ve done the same with the gameplay but instead you mostly just continue to get stat buffs and such

[raw herald]

I don’t think I have all sword bounties lol

[carmine cloak]

“Easily”

Your opinion is your own but I don’t want to let that statement slide.

[kindred onyx]

GODS!

I miss my mouse aiming so much

[raw herald]

And it’s not the same gameplay, there are 24 aspects with wildly different playstyles and builds

[bronze forge]

I think they’ve designed the slow incline of difficulty very beautifully. I’ve not seen it in any other game

[carmine cloak]

Even the same aspect has different builds that change how you play.

[vital spade]

For one just more content or mechanics. The gameplay loop is just mash dash mash dash. 4 levels only. All the content is in ways that pad the game or push the numbers out of your favor rather than slowly evolve the gameplay into something more exciting

[carmine cloak]

Again your opinion and experience is your own but to say that something is “easy” for a developer is not mere opinion, that is a bold, unfounded assumption.

[raw herald]

If you want to only mash dash, be my guest but that is one playstyle

There are far more playstyles than that

[bronze forge]

Yeah I think compared to your average rogue like, you have much more control over your run and that’s why you’re so successful in winning

But then again, that’s every game. People like the grind

[vital spade]

Meh I think it’s far from the deepest most well designed rogue like. I honestly think it’s only as successful as it is because 1 it’s accessible and 2 the presentation and characters

[bronze forge]

What’s your ideal roguelike

[carmine cloak]

Something only hardcore roguelikelikers can play maybe?

[vital spade]

Even BoI or spelunky is better. Dead cells better. Deeper games with more content and things to keep the gameplay loop more interesting instead of “+20% damage bonus to enemies” kind of stuff

[bronze forge]

Hades is more eoguelite

[carmine cloak]

Something that requires a lot of investment with more to lose?

[bronze forge]

I think those are both very good games

[vital spade]

I mean I think hades is a good game. But it falls into this trend of games being more accessible but not necessarily better. Not everyone wants more accessible

[bronze forge]

I think I beat boi only once before putting it down

[carmine cloak]

Boi?

[bronze forge]

That’s where the distinction between roguelike and roguelite comes in

[carmine cloak]

Oh, Isaac.

[bronze forge]

It’s like cod vs csgo

[carmine cloak]

Yeah no thanks. That game actively wants me to not play it.

[bronze forge]

You can’t say cod is better than csgo or vice versa

[raw herald]

For me hades feels good to play

[bronze forge]

Sure they’re fps, but very different games

[raw herald]

I really like the way combat feels

[carmine cloak]

I also don’t think Isaac has much depth. It’s just more rooms with more enemies.

[gray apex]

Hades is not for everybody, in face most people who play it just finish the majority of the story and stop, which is like 25-30 hours compared to the thousands that speedrunners or high heaters sink in

[carmine cloak]

I don’t even think either of those things are for me.

I might try to max all the aspects some day but high heat?

I don’t have that much faith in my ability.

[raw herald]

Everyone can always improve

[gray apex]

That's how most people start, I wanted to beat 16 heat and sub10

Now I have many 55 heat clears and sub5

[carmine cloak]

Eh, natural aptitude is a thing and I don’t have as much of that as a hardcore gamer.

[raw herald]

Hades is literally the only game I’ve pushed like this

I haven’t even beat hollow knight

Lol

[carmine cloak]

I don’t understand Hollow Knight.

[mint coral]

Same, hades is the only that made me think "yeah i can beat this"

[gray apex]

I bought hk before starting hades and beat it like a month ago lol

hk was kinda confusing to me because I had no clue what to do

[mint coral]

Vs getting frustrated at most games

[gray apex]

Took some effort to figure out a lot of it

[carmine cloak]

I often mention Hades when I discuss Dark Souls with people. About how games can be challenging while still having a low barrier to entry.

[raw herald]

24s dad fight: ez game
Second hornet fight: literally harder than em4

[gray apex]

There was a fight that took me like a solid 2 hours

oh broken vessel

[carmine cloak]

Can I just praise the Dark Thirst mechanic?

[gray apex]

🗿

[raw herald]

Is that the dude with the orange head

[mint coral]

Ye

[carmine cloak]

Like imagine trying to rush to beat Hades 10 times using just your favorite weapon each time.

[gray apex]

The one that gives you access to double jump

wings

the thing

[mint coral]

Fun experience

[carmine cloak]

For someone like me I’d give up at the third run.

With Dark Thirst I wasn’t even counting the victories.

[mint coral]

Without mods if dark thirst lands on sword/spear im 100% turning a blind eye to it

[carmine cloak]

Not me.

I dislike it when content goes unused anyway.

Besides currently my best runs are Zag sword lol.

Not my favorite weapon at all but it’s my best one it seems.

[mint coral]

I dont even have 1 zag sword win lol

[carmine cloak]

The weapon is so vanilla you can flavor it however you want.

[mint coral]

Just play nem

[carmine cloak]

Meaning I can just keep Conch She’ll for 3 biomes.

Nemesis too gimmicky.

And locks me into a certain play style.

[mint coral]

Not really, if you arent building crit just treat it as a neat bonus

(yeah zag sword is better for that in theory due to funny rush delivery existing but still)

[carmine cloak]

That’s like running trippy shot on poseidon.

[vital spade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/lbnkx1/in_my_opinion_hades_is_overrated/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf what this guy said

[carmine cloak]

Uh, I can’t really find anything wrong with this opinion I 100% disagree with.

[mint coral]

Booted up the game in months and i still have new dialogue

And ofc is Than

[carmine cloak]

I got tired of putting Artemis on Zag shield so I tried Athena instead and had a lot of fun.

[mint coral]

Zag shield

[carmine cloak]

Ever since I started doing Conch Shell runs I’ve had a lot of variety in my runs.

[gray apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/1059142770696134766/chrome_4TTsppqp2B.png this

[carmine cloak]

Oh right. It’s just the title so I kinda overlooked it.

Also I do think some things are overrated myself. Those tend to be things I love a lot though. Undertale for example. I love it. I just wish people didn’t treat it like the fourth coming of Christ.

I don’t think Hades is at that level. The people who sing its praises love playing it. I don’t think the popularity goes that far beyond the game itself.

[vital spade]

Nah that’s a non answer to the arguments. Yawn

There’s definitely some good arguments in the thread

[mint coral]

Funny mirage shot

[thorny mirage]

Meh

The game is fun, the storyline complaint is rather random and disconnected from their point

it’s pretty hard to get every combo for one

And honestly slapping overrated on it just because it’s not your style of rogue is just like

Plenty of gods and builds have synergistic effects too

an actual complaint I have is dialogue rng gating new content/stuff and just being frontloaded with other dialogue prior

I too love me some vrjements

[mint coral]

I remember now how much i hate dem trial and talos

[tired karma]

how would u react if ur game glitched and all ur save files were gone for good

[mint coral]

Ely moment

[tired karma]

skill issue

[gray apex]

Check #h1-tech-fixes and ask in #h1-tech-support if nothing works for you

[tired karma]

it didn't happen to me

I just ask in general
in a hypothetical scenario

[void vigil]

i back them up occasionally jic

even though early access is done, and it didnt happen to me even once during it

[mint coral]

I have old backups but i wouldnt react so bad if that happened

I could reach most of the things without being too annoying (except 50 heat win) and excuse to grt most of the story replayed

[north shell]

does Mirage Shot work with Ares cast?

[gray apex]

It works with every cast

[north shell]

o

[raw herald]

Except thunder flare

[north shell]

new thing to try with my hunting blades build

[latent moon]

double strike thunder flare basically mirage shot

[latent moon]

on the other hand zeus might just never show up again lmao

[old dawn]

i don't quite disagree however thanks to the fundamentally different design (which surprised me ultimately) i like this in a different way from other more typical roguelites like OSFE, FTL and a couple other small ones

somehow ETG didn't click with me

[thorny mirage]

I just had the most amazing beowulf run oh my god

[ionic minnow]

I disagree with this assertion because it implies the game was intended or would benefit from having theoretically infinite replayability. Personally, I've always liked that Hades has a beginning, a middle, and an end. After that, it plays like an arcade game, where you shouldn't expect new mechanics past a certain point.

[thorny mirage]

this run around of Hades has made me realize

[ionic minnow]

I think gamers in general can have a hard time admitting when it's okay for a game to end and for them to stop playing it

[thorny mirage]

They did not expect me to be done so quickly

“When this matter with the Prince is through we’ll be back with you Sisyphus”

cue me already having persephone back

[ionic minnow]

Haha yeah sometimes they'll end up giving you lines you triggered a while ago because their que of dialog kept getting added to by you being too awesome on your runs

[brisk trail]

One important element I'd like to bring to the discussion of replayability is that Hades can be modded in multiple unique ways, including with mods like OlympusExtra that add new gods (Apollo, Hestia, and they apparantly have plans for Hera and Heph) or with other mods that change your gameplay

And speedrunning, imo, does allow for infinite replayability, but it depends on who you are.

[latent moon]

also heat

20/25 for bounties, and then 32 for statue, but it could go higher lmao

granted some of the reddit 40 heat pacts and builds are absolutely horrid

but 40 heat is still 40 heat lmao

[ionic minnow]

yea, i guess

[gray apex]

horrid 40 heat probably harder than a normal 40 heat

[latent moon]

shackle luci moment

[gray apex]

I encourage you to try 50 heat stalling pacts

With TD1

CP2 EM4 yknow

its fun stuff

[latent moon]

oh boy

oh right that reminds me

i wanted to do a js3 cp2 run

[ionic minnow]

I need to know. Is damage of a projectile (based on your damage buffs) calculated upon firing or upon landing?

[latent moon]

landing

[ionic minnow]

So if I have Eris 75% damage boost and fire a special, but the boost runs out just before it lands, that hit was not buffed?

[latent moon]

it's why rd can work on rama, hera, and beo basically

it probably isnt

[gray apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/994330171735810088/Hades_qDKDnTv5NK.png

🗿

[high island]

Achilles buff is added on Cast. Other damage bonuses are added on hit.

[ionic minnow]

This means it could be good on Lucifer to use your hellfire and run away if you have something like distant memory

Because it won't explode until its buffed

[latent moon]

i still haven't learned em4 lmao that's gonna suck

[latent moon]

but also distant memory sucks

[ionic minnow]

But that one person in here was named distant memory best keepsake

[latent moon]

it's a joke

[ionic minnow]

😢

[latent moon]

the effective range for distant memory is like

idk probably around sniper shot

which is also bad

[gray apex]

its gud

[latent moon]

im not gud

[gray apex]

Learn some Beo EM4 then get on your way to 24/24 50 heat

[latent moon]

i dont even have 24/24 32 heat lmao

i gave up on arthur and gilga

[gray apex]

I dont have 24/24 16 heat

[latent moon]

idk what else i have left

same actually lmao

[gray apex]

Well I just find it boring

Once you clear 32 heat like 5-10 times it becomes easy

50 heat has more variety because the pact keeps changing and you have to play with trash

[latent moon]

i mean yeah it was pretty easy until i got to gilga and arthur lmao

i've tried 40 heat with a few different aspects but failed pretty badly

[high island]

Max range of maxed normal spear spin exactly.

[latent moon]

kinda pain

[high island]

500 units.

[gray apex]

That's actually better than I thought

[high island]

Sniper Shot is 675 lol.

[high island]

Yeah, it's better than you'd think but still the most useless keepsake.

[gray apex]

Now I'm relieved to know that it'll proc sometimes

[latent moon]

now i'm gonna consider using it

[gray apex]

Thinking about a good meme run to do with it

[latent moon]

sniper shot distant memeory

that way you have a larger area of boosted damage

[bronze forge]

triple jab or winged serpent for guan yu

[high island]

It takes a lot of skill to actually make Sniper Shot do anything consistently.

[bronze forge]

or serrated point

my build is kinda garb cuz i focused on health boons and stuff

[high island]

Serrated Point is good DPS; can be risky if you're not used to fighting Hades with the shorter dash, though, but then again only way to get used to it is to take it.

[bronze forge]

you know you're right, but i didnt focus my attack this run so its gonna be kinda weak

[high island]

Hunting Blades, Crystal Clarity, Blizzard Shot should all work well with it, I suppose. If "well" means getting +30% instead of +40% with Skull Earring. Or +100% with Sigil.

[bronze forge]

so from the other two choices

wdy think

[high island]

I think they both kinda suck tbh.

[bronze forge]

winged serpent sint good?

if not ill just go serrated piont

i have flaring spin

[high island]

Winged Serpent is like... the idea sounds good, but in practice the longer travel time for your spins most of the time just means your spin is flying past the enemies and not hitting anything there.

[bronze forge]

yeah my thoughts exactly

and im usually building for elysium boss so it would suck

ok ill go serrated piont

[high island]

Triple Jab is fun if you want to do a normal Attack run for some reason. But the normal Attack is too slow unfortunately and almost never used at high level. It's just Special and Dash-Attacks.

[bronze forge]

im convinced

yeah

so should i focus on dash attack now?

[high island]

Not too late to just slap on any Attack boon either.

[bronze forge]

when should i spin

i have the heartbreak strike

which idk how good it is

[high island]

Heartbreak Strike is great.

[bronze forge]

oh rly?

[high island]

Maybe at the start of an enemy wave when they're spawning, you could throw a spin for some lifesteal if you need it.

[bronze forge]

ok

so not really as a dps source?

[high island]

Or the very last enemy in an enemy wave if it's not an annoying enemy like Chariot or whatever that would easily hit you.

[bronze forge]

ok

[high island]

Nah, DPS source is your Dash-Strike now.

[bronze forge]

yeah i thought as much

thank you

[high island]

Ideally, you'd get Tidal Dash or Hunter Dash for even more damage.

And some Strike or Lunge boons from Master Chaos.

[bronze forge]

ok

so focus on moving a lot

any use for the special

i have some zues thing on it but it sucks

[high island]

I wouldn't really use the Special in a Serrated Point build unless you have Charged Skewer.

And yeah, Thunder Flourish on it is not very good.

[ionic minnow]

I can't stand how serrated point takes away my iframes by making my dash shorter

I rely on those timings so heavy

Especially in FO2

[brisk trail]

ITS HAPPENING https://prnt.sc/dXgT4_SgJGcE

I finally, after days of farming, have enough for the chaos victory screen

Chaos is literally my favorite character in Hades so this was a mandatory thing for me since I saw it existed https://prnt.sc/FB_u3C-EoV4Q I want to thank everyone who helped me get to this point. Nyaanyaa, both Aspects (L50 Ddash and Bananas), Shackle bestest boon, hades II best keepsake, and MiKE (as well as everyone else) for providing the build advice and gaming insight that I needed to progress so quickly and smoothly. Also, just this discord community in general inspiring my repeated runs, knowing that I have a group of people in which the extensive knowledge I'm building can actually be applied. Just, thank you!

I would make the same kind of announcement for 49/49 steam achievements which I'm getting in only a few runs, but we'll just call this the celebration for both. You'll see when I hit 49/49 in my username but I don't think I'll make a textpost about it (unless you count me asking about how to install mods when I hit 49 LOL)

But yeah, love you guys!

[bronze forge]

damn

good job man

cheers

whats the best shield

other tha beo

[brisk trail]

Zeus

[bronze forge]

focus on special?

[high island]

You'll want both a good Attack and a good Special.

[brisk trail]

(If you're wondering why you were mentioned but don't see a ping, it's probably because your name was in this message)

[brisk trail]

I remember when I knew almost nothing about fishing, then you posted your guide

And then instantly, I knew everything about fishing

[high island]

Congratulations!

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/E3Cr6bt6BxWC

Wow, I didn't realize the theme changed your sidebar - that's a nice touch

[bronze forge]

how much is there to know about fishing lol

[brisk trail]

Here's everything about fishing: Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide

There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.

[bronze forge]

wth

[brisk trail]

(Btw I'm one of those players who puts my thumb on top of the bobber on my monitor so that I can make it a "flash" reaction instead of a "choice" reaction)

[bronze forge]

it matters how fast you get it?

[high island]

Yes.

[bronze forge]

bru

which fish are legendary

[brisk trail]

The good thing is, average human reaction time is under 340ms.

https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime I used this website to test my "flash" reaction time

[brisk trail]

Stonewhal (Styx), Sturgeon (Greece), Voidskate (Chaos), Syllascallion (Tart), Seamare (Ely), Flameater (Aspho)

[bronze forge]

lol out of these ive only caught flameeater

[high island]

It's called simple response time. Although this one tests your simple response time + display lag and input lag.

[bronze forge]

i thought i would be faster

best i did was like 200

[high island]

Reaction time is only the psychological part. Response time includes reaction time and movement time.

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12_2L5sZGreuR-1MElSpPiVK6893SIq_oXp8AelLVvco/edit?usp=drivesdk

[brisk trail]

That's the word, I was forgetting it lol thanks

Also dang, some people have crazy simple response times on that leaderboard

[high island]

[bronze forge]

lol just caught syllascallion for the first time after watching for the flash

[high island]

Congratulations!

[regal inlet]

I got the sack in the last tunnel once and I just closed the game. Beat the run later.

[bronze forge]

yay

[regal inlet]

The fists will always be funny, just running around hell punching everybody in sight

[high island]

Malphon is a lot of fun.

I didn't play anything else for months when they added them in early access.

[kindred onyx]

HOLY...

https://youtu.be/YvEAlvaIty8

[regal inlet]

It can’t top shield tho, the hidden aspect is so much fun, so is the one aspect that throws like 5 shields

[kindred onyx]

this...
has to be the fattest damage dump i've ever done

he just melts

[regal inlet]

Weakest Artemis build:

(I know it’s not Artemis)

[kindred onyx]

there's some arty there

as amir intended

[regal inlet]

Artemis has the best boons IMO

[kindred onyx]

yup

[brisk trail]

Cold Embrace GOOD??? (/s)

[regal inlet]

And there’s one boon that is my favorite in the entire game, support fire.

It’s so much fun

[brisk trail]

I do wish it did more damage, but support fire is very fun for sure

I like seeing it go brr as my attacks go brr, there's also an internal cd on it it seems though

[kindred onyx]

HELL YEAH

high five

[brisk trail]

So you can't just go ham with lucifer and expect it to hit every tick

[kindred onyx]

[regal inlet]

I haven’t gotten it using the bow, but using the one aspect where it homes in with your special probably melts

[kindred onyx]

oh yeah i got lernie and furies both under a minute with it

[brisk trail]

Yeah Chiron is underrated

[kindred onyx]

yeah it made me... enjoy the bow

[regal inlet]

And apparently the first phase of F A T H E R

[kindred onyx]

i was a sworn bow hater ever since early bastion days

just can't hit those perfect shots to save my life

but this just... works

[kindred onyx]

W H A T?

[regal inlet]

The video

[ionic minnow]

That wasn't the EM4 3rd phase?

[kindred onyx]

yeah i know
i'm just joking

that's how hades reacts if you use his call during the fight

zag goes FATHER
and hades goes WHAT!?

[regal inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/834915827996295178/1059216183959752834/IMG_8072.png

I think he’s using the homing bow

[regal inlet]

Oh, I didn’t know that. I just like to call my dad father, and it’s how I refer to hades as well

[kindred onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD7ys5chvyM&ab_channel=SammySpudgun

oh shut up

[regal inlet]

https://youtu.be/MrIsMPWnEyM

[regal inlet]

I love how they go from insulting each other before you beat the game, and after it’s just kinda sportsmanshiply

Is that a word? Sportsmanshiply?

[kindred onyx]

iunno

but i get what you mean

[regal inlet]

TW: Dumb question. ||Does anybody else talk as Zagreus when he interacts with hades? Like making a comeback for Zagreus ||

[kindred onyx]

no

i just swear a lot

my neighbours are probably thinking i'm fighting for my life here

[regal inlet]

I like to imagine Zagreus quoting the ‘that’s why yo momma dead’ video

Hades: that’s why yo shoes raggedy
Zagreus: that’s why yo queen left, gone as hell

Also how is the pog rock not an emoji.

[kindred onyx]

[regal inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/834915827996295178/1059221448457195702/BA5CAB52-6E51-4BD8-B6E1-AF708D63C6CD.jpg

[kindred onyx]

what am i looking at here?

[regal inlet]

The rock in the middle that’s a pog face

[kindred onyx]

im not seeing it

[regal inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/834915827996295178/1059221888351617096/IMG_8077.png

Eyes on the right, gaping pog mouth on the left

Do you seriously not see it?

Am I insane?

[latent moon]

I see it now but bruh lmao

[regal inlet]

It’s the second best part of asphodel

(First being eruidiceiecyeocyeocyeoerideicyeoy)

[brisk trail]

Just got charged shot + sudden rush for the first time in a while

So fun

[latent moon]

budget bow be like

[regal inlet]

Minotaur rush my beloved

Oh you got sudden rush, oof

[latent moon]

minotaur and sudden kinda mid

well sudden has its uses

[regal inlet]

Can we get an upgrade menu for each of the weapons in the codex? Like for the Olympian’s boons?

[latent moon]

yes

you can see what boons they offer

after a contractor upgrade

[regal inlet]

No I mean I want that but for the hammer upgrades

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/O5lcKo_vxjBQ

Lol I just got this in addition to sudden rush + charged shot

Machine gun charged shot

[latent moon]

oh nope

use the wiki for that

does swift strike make cshot charge faster

[regal inlet]

So I’m not the only person who wants it?

[latent moon]

or does it just bring down the shield sooner

[latent moon]

yeah it's a shame it's not in the game

[brisk trail]

Don't know, but it feels REALLY fast now

Definitely feels faster

[latent moon]

cshot spam time

[brisk trail]

Fr fr

this is actually so crazy that im going to download a gif tool just to make a gif of this

[regal inlet]

I downloaded a photo editor to make a man to angry to die meme with zagreus, don’t feel bad

Is this server like other game servers where you get made fun of for playing on easy?

[latent moon]

not really

god mode exists because the game can be hard for some

[regal inlet]

And it’s not even immortality

[latent moon]

it becomes more of an "issue" if like
you play on god mode but also have hard labor on

because that basically cancels a bit of itself out

and is backwards

but like i frankly dont care

[brisk trail]

Ok guys I made the gif, uploading it now, 1 min

[latent moon]

lmao

[regal inlet]

You have to work for that 80% damage reduction

[latent moon]

more like you have to die for that 80% damage reduction lmao

[brisk trail]

https://imgur.com/a/qHP2Cch

Machine gun cshot

[latent moon]

wait that's kinda nasty

[brisk trail]

I literally downloaded a gif tool just to show you that

[latent moon]

and yeah hermes does affect the charge rate

you can see the wings at the end of the cshot

[brisk trail]

there you go then

:D

[latent moon]

would be funny if you had minotaur rush too

but cant anvil for it at this point unfortunately

[brisk trail]

that would be the ideal anvil setup yeah

but even just the 2 feels like I'm bullying everything xD

[latent moon]

to be fair sudden rush isn't even necessary lmao cshot is already busted enough

[regal inlet]

IF I GET THIS BUTTERFLY BALL MINIBOSS ONE MORE TIME I SWEAR TO GODS

[latent moon]

bball festive

just kill it

[regal inlet]

(Did you like my pun at the end? Gods? Get it?)

Laugh.

[latent moon]

[regal inlet]

Thank you

I love how you can just leave during a trove, just leave

Nothing stops you

Not me making sure I fight the and the Minotaur in front of the good shade to make sure he has a good show

[brisk trail]

Supportive Shade is such a G

[carmine wraith]

So this is why I was confused

https://i.imgur.com/Ea3QWZm.jpg

Should that not be aphrodite?

[brisk trail]

Hermes is Special

[mint coral]

hermes was faster

[carmine wraith]

Ah

[regal inlet]

Every time I feed cerbererbererberus his S A C K I love the message that appears. This time I got CERBEREUS RAN AWAY (where could he be?)

[mint coral]

Cerberus defeated (not really)

[strong ridge]

dog fed

[regal inlet]

CERBERUS DESTROYED (his meal in three bites)

[bronze forge]

eternal bomb, greater inferno, triple bomb

which one

[latent moon]

triple bomb

assuming from hammer names it's luci isnt it

triple bomb is the best hammer

also isn't it eternal chamber lmao

[regal inlet]

How did I end up with 13 ambrosia and 3 nectar

Isn’t ambrosia rarer?

[latent moon]

because ambrosia doesnt get used nearly as much as nectar

at least assuming you're still early game

[bronze forge]

lol i typed quickly

[regal inlet]

I beat the game yesterday

[lofty ether]

CERBERUS BRIBED (it was bribery)

[regal inlet]

Why is Meg in my bedroom again, I’m not giving her consent

Am I accidentally Romancing meg because I want the companion?

[latent moon]

Credits?

Or first run cleared

Or epilogue

[regal inlet]

Yes, in the blood and all

[latent moon]

That's still like

Vaguely early game tbh

[regal inlet]

I beat the tutorial 🗿

[latent moon]

I didn't start using ambrosia until much later

[latent moon]

I wouldn't call it tutorial tbh

Because you finished the main story

There's just other things to finish up

Relationships, story lines, etc

[regal inlet]

I plan on 100%ing

[latent moon]

Yeah ambrosia gets used later and you'll eventually probably be a bit short

But you get a ton of ambrosia in the game from prophecies

And ofc heroes

[regal inlet]

Seriously tho I just want a bat

[lofty ether]

What about darkness?

[latent moon]

You don't have to romance her

[latent moon]

What about it

[lofty ether]

I'm planning on 100%ing too and was wondering how much darkness you'll need

[latent moon]

It eventually stops being useful unless you want to truly 100% the game with every resource director level

[lofty ether]

nah that'll take too long

[latent moon]

325k for resource director

[lofty ether]

jeeze

[latent moon]

Other than that tho no clue

It's 25k for the theme

Idk about mirror tho

Darkness and keys run out of usefulness pretty quickly

[regal inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/834915827996295178/1059235116456616016/499EE69A-120D-4D5D-9A47-6AABC1AC3C1C.jpg

GIVE ME THE BAT

[lofty ether]

what heat level does bounties stop coming up?

[latent moon]

20

25 on hell mode

[lofty ether]

ok I'm playing the game through each heat with each weapon so I'm doing pretty good

[latent moon]

I did the math before and doing every bounty on every weapon and prophecies isn't enough to get every aspect to max, but the game gives you way more ambrosia than you need so you can just trade out the last few

[bronze forge]

heratbreak or deadly strike for rama

[latent moon]

Heartbreak

[bronze forge]

i alredy have heart rend

ok

[latent moon]

Wait

Heart rend from what weakness source

[bronze forge]

strike lol

[latent moon]

Oh did arty offer a replacement

[bronze forge]

ye

whos arty

[latent moon]

Artemis

[bronze forge]

oh ya

when do they offer replacements?

[latent moon]

What other arty core do you have

[latent moon]

It's like a 10% chance or something it's not that high

It just happens

[bronze forge]

dead flourish

running rama ofc

[latent moon]

Ngl just sell heart rend and deadly flourish lmao

And get flat damage special

You're critting on like base 10 damage or something

[bronze forge]

yeah lol

[latent moon]

Unless pressure points I guess so you might randomly get a fat crit

Then keep heart rend

[bronze forge]

im not running any god keepsakes so its whatever i get

[latent moon]

Bruh lmao

You got pretty lucky already

[bronze forge]

i have clean kill and crystal clarity

[latent moon]

Get hunter dash if you can

Oh bruh meme beams rama

[bronze forge]

lol yeah

drop the beamss

i havent picked a dash yet

so hunter?

is hunter's mark any good?

rare

or epic hunter instinct

[latent moon]

Yes

[bronze forge]

or should i reroll and hope for a dash

[latent moon]

Hunter instinct bad

[bronze forge]

ok

[latent moon]

I'd reroll for dash tho

[bronze forge]

didnt get it

pressure points or support fire

[latent moon]

Pressure points

[bronze forge]

epic pressure points

is support fire every good?

[latent moon]

It's alright

I wouldn't take it on unless the other ones also suck

[silver nimbus]

Support fire is fun though

It overloads your screen with arrows

[north shell]

support fire is satisfying

[regal inlet]

Support fire? More like free win

[silver nimbus]

Not really

It's only good for low health enemies

A free win would be Athena dash or strong drunk

Or greatest reflex from hermes

[latent moon]

ddash or strong drink aren't even free wins lmao

greatest reflex can be considered one tho

[carmine wraith]

Man I cannot use the bow for the life of me unless I have flurry

Me and charge attacks do not mix

[livid pulsar]

is there a starting boon picker mod other than ello's one?

it doesn't allow for boons that aren't for the 4 main abilities and i had a funny idea i wanna do but also dont wanna wait for rng to collaborate

[mint coral]

How funny is the idea? Unless is like a perfect god pool and lot of duos, with persuasion/keepsakes shouldnt be too hard

And dark foresight ofc

[livid pulsar]

i just want one specific boon to appear but it's not on the main abilities and ellos doesnt allow it to be selected

can i add a boon with cheat engine?

i know i can get this boon because i did with a reroll, but i wanna use the door reroll instead

so i'm trying to think of a way to have my cake and eat it too and add the boon with cheats or mods or whatever and play with the door reroll and another keepsake

so i cant force add a non core boon? not even with some mod?

[brisk trail]

I don't mind middle management in all but one case.. that stupid power couple in asphodel

[regal inlet]

I got a new one this time, CERBERUS DISTRACTED (now is your chance)

Dude 6 diamonds for getting all aspects except the hidden ones? Talk a about a robbery

[livid pulsar]

ooh codexmod seems to be exactly what i wanted

didn't knew about it

[regal inlet]

There’s a house contractor thing that’s really good for the codex

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/834915827996295178/1059252181640941599/5EA4915E-319F-4D79-A565-3DD667815751.jpg

Oh

I thought they meant codex mode or something

I’m so stupid

Cause of death: elephant? What?

[livid pulsar]

haha it works

turns out the secret was to read the mod description before trying to do stuff in the game

who knew

[vital spade]

Someone told me to buff special attack with guan yu...whoever said that u is a lyin

Spin to win seems like the true guan strat

Guan yu special attack sucks ass. terrible startup and super low dps even when buffed up

[livid pulsar]

guan yu special is good, spin takes to long to do anything useful

go all in on special and just play eris at home

[vital spade]

No way the special is terrible. Spin easily has a higher dps and I just beat 14 heat with a super leveled special. Even then the spin attack became my primary attack by the 4th zone. Special dps is just terrible

I beat hades alone with only spin attack

[gray apex]

It needs a hammer

Called Charged Skewer

[livid pulsar]

spin is only good for quick hp restoration

[gray apex]

Even without it it’s still decent

[livid pulsar]

go special with aphro and charged skewer and you win easy

[vital spade]

Why not just go for Achilles aspect then if ur doing charged skewer and get exploding launcher

I won easily 14 heat with spin attack that wasn’t even buffed. Better dps

[livid pulsar]

why play guan yu at all? it sucks

if you gonna do it anyway might as well do what is good

[gray apex]

Because both of those are incompatible with Achilles

[vital spade]

I meant Zagreus

[gray apex]

Guan yu is stronger

With a special build

[livid pulsar]

what about the other spear aspect? :p

[gray apex]

And only needs 1 hammer

[vital spade]

Meh. I had super well leveled special and even then the spin attack had better dps and wasn’t too slow. The dps was better actually

[regal inlet]

Absolutely

[vital spade]

How can it be a skill issue lol, if you have two different attacks being used at their fastest potential one will have higher dps, and the special you literally just mash Y. Maybe u have skill issue

[regal inlet]

Maybe we shouldn’t be arguing

Yo I just got the code for the hidden aspect for the bow

[raw herald]

The special doesnt leave you vulnerable

Also with charged skewer the startup time for the special is reduced

For whatever reason

[livid pulsar]

how does arthur and bronze skin stack?

[rustic vale]

Multiplicatively

So you can’t hit 100% damage reduction

[ionic minnow]

Is DIO call the only call where it's objectively worse to greater call?

[rustic vale]

No

zeus call

[livid pulsar]

aphro in any situation that's not a boss

[rustic vale]

Actually a whole bunch of them are way more useful as small calls imo

because you can use them for momentary escape

I was going to say that

but I got distracted

[livid pulsar]

if you're not in a boss fight aphro as small call can be useful to take some pressure off

[ionic minnow]

ALL OF THEm???

[rustic vale]

Yes

[regal inlet]

Concentrated volley with aspect of Chiron, boutta be a blood bath

[rustic vale]

Explosive

[livid pulsar]

bruh if eurydice doesn't show up in this run im gonna be piss

i dind't say its gonna kill the run i said im gonna be píssed

[rustic vale]

You’re gonna be piss

[livid pulsar]

i have ONE important boon and it's epic, i want it heroic

[rustic vale]

You can force eury rewards btw

[livid pulsar]

yep am aware

[rustic vale]

or practically force them anyways

…no?

Route your run

[ionic minnow]

Route your run you might as well

[livid pulsar]

i have bronze skin as the only boon and mom keepsake, i wanna see how much damage resistance i can get

[rustic vale]

It will hit 100% eventually

[livid pulsar]

that's a great idea, but also: no

i'm stupid but not insane

[rustic vale]

It’s just that may be more poms then physically possible

[rustic vale]

Be the other way around

So route for c3 sweet nectar t

I’m fairly certain c3 sweet nectar isn’t possible

I was joking

C4 sweet nectar go boom

[livid pulsar]

can't wait until a streamer with 90 subs plays hades casually and gets C3 sweet nectar and no one manages to replicate it until Hades 2 releases

[rustic vale]

Getting 3 boons by c3 isn’t attainable

[ionic minnow]

Does beowulf like Stygian or Infernal Soul?

[rustic vale]

Infernal unless doing trippy flare

[ionic minnow]

oh but infernal for flood shot which is the good one right

[regal inlet]

When Orpheus lies, what do you call him?

[ionic minnow]

A LYRE

[regal inlet]

A lyre 🗿

Lyre, liar

[rustic vale]

An Orpheus

[livid pulsar]

we get the joke it's just bad

[ionic minnow]

I think you're just cold-spirited

[livid pulsar]

when Orpheus lies doubt comes in

[regal inlet]

At least your being blunt :)

[ionic minnow]

You have not felt the love of the universe since you were a mere child, and thus you are intent on attacking the flecks of joy we seek to create for ourselves

[rustic vale]

Lies
I’m intent to attack flecks of joy but not because I’ven’t felt the love of the universe

[willow wedge]

r/im14andthatsdeep

[ionic minnow]

I refuse to elaborate

[livid pulsar]

i just realized something, if the goal is to have one boon as high as possible would be routing for sweet nectar even that good of an idea? since you'd ideally want mom keepsake and having 2 other boons minimum that can grab the level up instead of the one you want will offset the bonus you gain from sweet nectar

wouldn't it be better to ignore sweet nectar and route for regular nectar for the +1 you gain after the contractor thing

[latent moon]

you can sell prereqs of duos and the duo can still work fine

[livid pulsar]

when you get nectar chamber rewards it gives +1 to a random boon

[latent moon]

why would you want to ignore sweet nectar

you're more likely to find poms than nectars

just kill them

this is why explosive upper is better on dem

[polar quail]

so it wasnt just me then?

[latent moon]

oh

should've been fine then imo lmao

is it

idk i've never had an issue with furies on fists unless it's alecto

[rustic vale]

Correction:
@brisk trail is taking a lot of damage in the time to charge gigacutter

[latent moon]

lmfao

[rustic vale]

I can’t really say anything I don’t remember my 32 heat fists run or how the fury fight went

[carmine wraith]

Man I know the mass majority of the gemstone stuff is purely cosmetic, but it's annoying how skimpy the game is with gemstone rewards

A whole whopping 5 gemstones from a room

[rustic vale]

L

[rustic vale]

I mean I have nearly 30k of useless gemstones laying around rn

[carmine wraith]

And you've bought every single renovation?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[carmine wraith]

How many runs do you have lol

[rustic vale]

Maybe 450? I don’t remember

Wait do you have the work order that makes bosses drop gemstones on death?

[carmine wraith]

nah, was debating getting that though

how many do they drop?

[latent moon]

Like 20?

Not 5

[carmine wraith]

oh not bad

[latent moon]

It's pretty good considering that getting gemstones in a run won't help you win but you can get a heft amount from just bosses

[carmine wraith]

I don't have any of the like uh, clear x room get y bonus reward or whatever though

[latent moon]

Wdym

[rustic vale]

Chaos boons?

[latent moon]

Oh like darkness gives +5 hp?

And that stuff?

[carmine wraith]

Yeah

[latent moon]

I'd say bosses dropping gemstones is probably a priority if you want gemstones

[carmine wraith]

Fair enough, the earlier the better

[latent moon]

Otherwise nectar giving a random pom is probably good

[cloud crater]

jeez

just got the aphro poster, didnt realize she was naked

[rustic vale]

She’s always naked

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[cloud crater]

really?

[gray apex]

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

HAHA

[gray apex]

Yes

[cloud crater]

whoops

[carmine wraith]

Oh looks like the gemstone boss thing increases per boss, 10/20/30/50

So even better than 20 per boss

[latent moon]

https://preview.redd.it/8cla7rgfc3f91.jpg?auto=webp&s=7b60c23a63ce0a472d9585fe0e39f4bd7144bb54

Relavent meme

[rustic vale]

Hair = censorship

Also this is making me remember the dude who said he switched the aphrodite sprites in the game files because of nudity

[latent moon]

Oh yeah lmao

i wonder what he switched it to

[rustic vale]

I think he said artemis sprite? Maybe?

Or she
Or they

[gray apex]

I saw another sprite in the modding discord

Longer hair

[carmine wraith]

Replace with

I noticed talking about mods isn't really mentioned in the rules, so is that allowed?

[rustic vale]

Theres a modding server I believe

[thorny mirage]

Why would it not be allowed

[latent moon]

it's allowed

it's just like

not many people here actually know how to mod

[thorny mirage]

that stuff is allowed unless it’s explicitly not allowed

[latent moon]

you can ask questions about a mod and some might be able to answer it but you're just gonna get better answers at the modding server

the only mod that people are more familiar with here is the speedrunning mod probably

[carmine wraith]

a ton of games that don't officially support mods heavily frown upon discussing them

[thorny mirage]

skill issue

[latent moon]

oh lmao

idk how much the devs care about the mods of this game

[brazen aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1059271637687603281/image.png?width=1387&height=780
theseus absolutely oneshot

[wind field]

As a newish player, what should I focus my diamonds on with the house contractor

[thorny mirage]

Clockets?

[brazen aspen]

no, you can see the special indicators

its just deadly flourish xD

[wind field]

Oh okay, i just didn't know if there were optimal work orders to buy or not
I have 8 diamonds

[thorny mirage]

you’ll unlock more as you go along

[silver nimbus]

hey i like support fire as well but calling it a free win is too far

[thorny mirage]

what do you have open rn?

[thorny mirage]

Mate they’re being sarcastic

[wind field]

Is Erebus gate worth?

[thorny mirage]

[silver nimbus]

that flew over my head

[thorny mirage]

they usually have higher rarities than non erebus gate areas

however if you’re not confident in hitless rooms/ they’re not that worth I don’t go for em

They aren’t an insta take

[silver nimbus]

if it's health definitely

50 health is huge

[thorny mirage]

like I skip em if it’s health

[brazen aspen]

no

dont spend diamonds on it

[wind field]

Thanks

[brazen aspen]

until ur comfy doing 15 heat

[silver nimbus]

i mean if you're using high confidence and you get it very early i think it's worth it

like i always take it if it's room one

[brazen aspen]

they mean is it worth it to spend their first diamonds on it and no, it's prolly the last thing to buy

[silver nimbus]

oh okay

[thorny mirage]

Just don’t get hit

[silver nimbus]

truuuuu

but i like spamming buttons

go brain off mode

[thorny mirage]

I did zappy fists

no keepsakes?

🎿

[brazen aspen]

ahahahaaaa

[rustic vale]

Use shackle

[brazen aspen]

https://prnt.sc/mYkfTq3kKw42

chaos + high confidence

[rustic vale]

Fun

[silver nimbus]

just don't get hit

[latent moon]

yeah i've done that

it's funny

i dont remember how flying cutter works lmao

[thorny mirage]

Press and hold

And you kinda slide across the reticle

[latent moon]

oh bruh lmao you just move across the room

[thorny mirage]

long knuckle IG?

[latent moon]

i was thinking "damn this kinda like kinetic launcher"

long knuckle is probably safer

[thorny mirage]

idk what sturdy really does here

[latent moon]

you dont get hit stunned while you're attacking basically

and take less damage

like 30% less?

[thorny mirage]

I mean like in general

I can’t tell the difference when I don’t have it

Vs when I have it

[novel storm]

It's just about the difference in damage basically. Hermes boon combined with Twin Fist hammer that gives sturdy, you actually really notice it

Great for a low damage run

[latent moon]

ngl i forget that hyper sprint makes you sturdy

i never use it for damage reduction

[ionic minnow]

hot take: beowulf feels so much worse to use than zeus

[thorny mirage]

Skill issue

[rustic vale]

Hyper sprint makes zagreus sturdy?
Zagreus doing default dance intensifies

[ionic minnow]

I would rather the difficulty of the game come from the enemies, not my weapon

[latent moon]

okay so increase heat

[thorny mirage]

they’re equally difficulty to use so not really a point

[rustic vale]

Are you saying beowulf is difficult to use?

[ionic minnow]

absolutely

[latent moon]

i thought beo was too easy at 32 so i did 40, found that too easy, then did 50

[thorny mirage]

bruh

[ionic minnow]

It's so clunky, and feels slow

[thorny mirage]

Then this is a skill issue

You’re just bad at using ot

[rustic vale]

Zeus actually has a skill floor, beowulf doesn’t

[thorny mirage]

It’s not a matter of it being hard

That’s like calling hera hard to use

[ionic minnow]

hera is hard to use

[thorny mirage]

just load your cast and press the attack button

skill issue again

[ionic minnow]

hera is so hard compared to like Chiron

[rustic vale]

👍

[novel storm]

Just use Beowulf with Dionysus cast. Trust. That stuff nukes.

[thorny mirage]

but yes beo is not that hard to use

the aoe is just

Mwah

[latent moon]

zeus is like objectively one of the hardest aspects to use lmao
compared to like hera or beo, you just load cast and attack or bull rush

[thorny mirage]

wdym

[ionic minnow]

I literally lost a winstreak thanks to flood shot beo

[rustic vale]

That’s not a skill thing though

[ionic minnow]

this is why im salty

[thorny mirage]

dude???

[latent moon]

so it's a skill issue

[thorny mirage]

How???

What’s the heat even at

[bronze forge]

skill issue

[novel storm]

Now that's a skill issue 💯

[ionic minnow]

well for one i didnt get mirage shot

[rustic vale]

The only reason it’s harder for you to use is inexperience

[thorny mirage]

You don’t need mirage shot

it does huge damage w/out it

[rustic vale]

Mirage shot doesn’t make or break beowulf

[latent moon]

i got a sub10 without mirage shot lmao

i think

[ionic minnow]

another thing is that I kept taking damage while charging my rush because the rush charge is slow

[thorny mirage]

??

[rustic vale]

That’s literally a you issue

[thorny mirage]

Aren’t you invul from the front

While using bull rush

[ionic minnow]

aren't you supposed to always do a maximum rush

[rustic vale]

No

[thorny mirage]

You don’t have to what

the damage stays the same

iirc

[rustic vale]

Beowulf isn’t bow

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t

[thorny mirage]

it’s just distance

[ionic minnow]

oh i cross applied the bow knowledge

[thorny mirage]

i i r c

[rustic vale]

It only stays the same the full time if it’s charged shot

[thorny mirage]

Ohhh

Yeah

[ionic minnow]

ok ok so I think I See now, beo is a bit more close range than i was trying to play it

[latent moon]

dash strike into the dragon rush, for one
secondly, beo has a wider block range than other shields. what is your positioning relative to the enemies lmao

dash striking into dragon rush puts down the shield faster so you can charge it sooner

[thorny mirage]

beo’s also easier if you bind casting to a shoulder button right?

[rustic vale]

Still melee for getting casts back sooner and charging less

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1057891259605332058/image.png?width=1191&height=670

[ionic minnow]

But don't dash strikes make you do less damage???

[latent moon]

sub9 apparently but i did have rd lmao

[thorny mirage]

No?

[novel storm]

Just charge attack all the time lol

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

for like the initial hit

[ionic minnow]

to be honest a little

[latent moon]

but not the dragon rush or the flare

[thorny mirage]

I diagnose you with giga skill issue ngl

[rustic vale]

Literally every aspect in the game would rather dash strike

[latent moon]

well

no

[rustic vale]

Aside from lucifer

[latent moon]

no

cshot spam on other shields doesnt need dstrikes

you legit stand and shoot

[novel storm]

[rustic vale]

Still faster

[latent moon]

not really

[novel storm]

Man just said he is a little zooted

[ionic minnow]

so its not like bow

[latent moon]

okay to clear things up

[rustic vale]

Dash striking is still better then standing striking on bow though as well

[ionic minnow]

I just assumed every weapon with some kind of charged thing was based on the bow logic, clearly I was wrong

[novel storm]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[thorny mirage]

even if

it had similar mechanics

[rustic vale]

Bow is the only one like bow

[thorny mirage]

That’s just the attack

casts are meant to be the main meat and potatoes here

[novel storm]

LOL

[thorny mirage]

Why are you worrying about minmaxing the attack

[latent moon]

on every weapon, when you dash strike, it deals less damage in exchange for a faster hit. this is mostly notable on bow
on beo, it brings down the shield faster and yes, does deal less damage. however, the dragon rush and the flare pop will do the same damage.
on hera, the arrow will do less damage but the cast will do the same damage

[novel storm]

I feel like I am losing braincells with this discussion

[rustic vale]

I can actually relate but instead of hera it’s zag bow

[ionic minnow]

Okay okay okay okay fine, last question then before everyone loses all their braincells - since beo is a castspect I should be going for cast chaos boons, not bull rush attack buff boons?

[latent moon]

ideally yes

but the atk damage is underrated

so if you dont get +cast or +cast damage, the atk is a good cope pick

[rustic vale]

No but like
The flurry shot making it so I can’t powershot part

[ionic minnow]

Okay, so cast is priority, but attack is a close 2nd, got it

thanks!!!

[thorny mirage]

it’s the next best thing

[latent moon]

attack is third

[mint coral]

Dont forget the random player that special builds beo

[rustic vale]

I actually lost a 40 heat run because I took flurry shot and am just more used to and preferential to dash strike power shotting

[latent moon]

+cast and +cast damage are priorities

[latent moon]

CHARGED FLIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[rustic vale]

Dash special charged flight

[thorny mirage]

BEST HAMMER

[rustic vale]

So you can charge it faster for lower base damage

[latent moon]

i love how charged flight aren't available on the aspects that are special oriented

[rustic vale]

I love how the neat special hammers aren’t available on the special focused aspects

[latent moon]

except like exploding return

[rustic vale]

it’s like making dedge unavailable on nemesis

[thorny mirage]

why does dash nova

exist

[rustic vale]

Because they couldn’t leave sword with only 3 negative hammers

[latent moon]

because the players found out how to do an actual "dash nova" so the game devs thought to add their own into the game, which is objectively worse

[mint coral]

To destroy snap nova from existence

[latent moon]

snap nova would've been fun tbh

sad i missed it

[thorny mirage]

Honestly why does cruel thrust exist

and why is it so stupid

[rustic vale]

Because the devs actually expected people to use the main attack combo

[latent moon]

every sword hammer is bad except for like dedge and super nova

also that lmao

[rustic vale]

Piercing wave, breaching slash, double nova

[thorny mirage]

It would be like the second best sword hammer

If it worked with dash striking

[rustic vale]

It would be the best sword hammer if it worked on dash strikes

[latent moon]

double nova is actually kinda bad because you can dash out before the 2nd one lands

[mint coral]

Inst there a thing where if you dash you csncel the 2nd hit

[thorny mirage]

It’s so weird bow has the best pool of hammers bar none

[rustic vale]

Still is kind of a buff

[rustic vale]

Tbh rail has better hammers imo

[latent moon]

doesnt it remove knockback

[rustic vale]

Eh

Yeah

[latent moon]

is knockback good for sword lmao

idk

[rustic vale]

Idk either

[latent moon]

can it proc sea storm without pos special

[rustic vale]

Double nova is kind of neglible I guess

[thorny mirage]

Probably?

[ionic hemlock]

Is than supposed to show up on TD

[thorny mirage]

I mean doesn’t the shield basic do that as well

[rustic vale]

might throw it into the neutral category

[latent moon]

he can