h1-discussion

[frank torrent]

so i just got posideon's legendary at tart midboss on a beo run

[high island]

Huge Catch? Nice!

🎣

[frank torrent]

i wish

[frank torrent]

purged it for 410 coins

[polar basalt]

there's a zero percent chance I clear this run because I am low skill and need ranged weapon to not die, but holy jesus aspect of nemesis sword is funnnn

[fervent jewel]

i thought i was doomed in a run and won dw hang in there

[polar basalt]

nah I lost in second phase hades lol

[fervent jewel]

if it's any consolation i had a build i thought was goated and lost there too

[timid valley]

i got to his second phase consistently and judt got better at doing it untill i best him

[brisk trail]

Merry new year

usually the weapon is listed on top

[ionic minnow]

It's not in this case

[frank torrent]

stygian blade as it's highlighted on the right?

[ionic minnow]

Aspect tho

[frank torrent]

well you've got crit stuff so

nem yeah

[ionic minnow]

Oh its a boon icon I see

I seeeeeeeeeee

[granite kestrel]

[frank torrent]

for a gilgamesh ME build, is draining cutter, rush kick, or colussus knuckle better?

[ionic minnow]

I mean, it's 2022 and I embrace my life choices, but this is a SFW disc so yeah good catch x_x

[raw herald]

They’re all nothing hammers

[mighty hornet]

how does rush delivery work?

[frank torrent]

so doesn't matter?

[raw herald]

Whatever bonus movement speed you have is translated into damage

[brisk trail]

it's funny, you can only say this for a few more hours

[raw herald]

Yeah

[frank torrent]

might go colossus knuckle, at least it has an effect on attack

[brisk trail]

soon it will be 2023 and you'll still be embracing your life decisions

[mighty hornet]

like hypersprint is 100%, and rush delivery is also 100%, so i do 300%???

[raw herald]

No

It’s 100%

[mighty hornet]

so 100% extra damage for every damage i deal

[raw herald]

Epic rush delivery takes whatever bonus movement speed you have and makes it damage

[mighty hornet]

so that combos off of hypersprint?

[raw herald]

Hyper sprint works with it yeah

[mighty hornet]

and what is the uptime of the buff?

[raw herald]

Another thing is that movement speed is multiplicative in most cases

[mighty hornet]

duration of the sprint or the entire time?

[raw herald]

From the start of the dash till the end of the bonus move speed

[brisk trail]

Does Zoos or attack scale better on Lucifer?

[mighty hornet]

got it, thx

[raw herald]

Zeus

Dio attack lucifer is pretty bad for AOE and does less damage than Zeus with jolted

[brisk trail]

thank

[ionic minnow]

Do u run with UC at 32h?

[rustic vale]

If you want to

[hardy spear]

uc is pretty free

at 32 heat at least

[ionic minnow]

Is Electric Shot bad

[hardy spear]

there's better

[rustic vale]

It’s fine enough for tartarus

Then it falls off

iirc

[ionic minnow]

I want to escape Tartarus, Asphodel, Elysium, amd Styx, so I guess I won't take it

[brisk trail]

Does rail special animation-cancel auto-reloads or just manual reloads

[hardy spear]

should be quite easy to test innthe courtyard

[brazen aspen]

what does hades call do in hades fight?

[hardy spear]

works as normal

[brazen aspen]

interesting, zag is like DAD! and hades goes WHAT!??

[hardy spear]

actually does

sometimes it's "dad!" "son!"

plus theres some interaction with it interrupting his darknesses or something

can a fellow gamer correct me

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/rLZ-lc3LH0jh

Wait, is triple beam really better than greater inferno?

[raw herald]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

Even with triple bomb, huh... alright

I guess it's because the hellfires don't stay out long?

[raw herald]

The good bit about the bombs is the explosion not the pulse

[brisk trail]

yeah I just now realize shackle already explained this to me

https://prnt.sc/lULMRn9AHlv-

I keep thinking greater inferno does the explosion damage greater, not the pulse, which makes sense as to why its not as good as triple

Well dang, I just got triple bomb triple beam, what a good hammer combo lol

[brazen aspen]

if i have hunter dash, does shackle still work on dash strikes?

same w chaos boons, if i have a boon that increases my damage against undamaged foes, does shackle still work

[rustic vale]

Yes

[rustic vale]

The only thing that’ll stop shackle from working is having a core boon for that particular move

[brazen aspen]

does that not include chaos boons then that direcly modify atk dmg?

[rustic vale]

Those aren’t core boons

Core boons being stuff like divine strike or tempest flourish or phalanx shot etc

[brazen aspen]

so a good build would just be to stack hermes RD, chaos, crit + hunter's dash, and then pair with shackle, yeah?

[rustic vale]

Which aspect

[brazen aspen]

hesty

[rustic vale]

wdym by “crit + hunter dash”

[vital spade]

The way hades stops being mean after Persephone comes home

[brazen aspen]

like pressure pts

just dmg increases that aren't core boons

[rustic vale]

Pressure points is kind of not a good boon

[brazen aspen]

AP2 51 heat

no mods

[vital spade]

Which boons should I pair with exploding launcher + charged skewer

So Aphrodite?

[rustic vale]

Tbh any of the +% specials should be good enough

[brazen aspen]

oh wait, if i do this, i can't acorn or skelly during hades fight..

[vital spade]

Swift flourish is OP but maybe hard to roll

Is there a keepsake to help get hammers

Rip

My fave build is hard to get

[brisk trail]

how do i unlock extreme measures 4

[strong hearth]

You have to buy it from the house contractor

It'll unlock after a certain pivotal point

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/wMM-7KZ1PtCO

I love how decked out you can get the house of hades

https://prnt.sc/Hz87eKGCIw9p

Ive bought almost everything possible lol

It's starting to get cluttered though, thinking of redesigning for a more minimalist vibe

Than's definitely gonna keep all his cute Than stuff though

[frank torrent]

does gilgamesh normally grant extra dashes?

because i have 4 with no hermes boons

[gray apex]

Yes

[brazen aspen]

forced to take shotgun hammer on hesty T_T

AP2 might not be it

[gray apex]

Doesn’t affect empowered shot

[brazen aspen]

oh wait cool

[vital spade]

The decor pieces look weird sometimes

They stick out too much lol

[warm shoal]

Wait what's better heroic or legendary

[raw herald]

They’re different

[gray apex]

Best heroic probably ares’ aid
Best legendary easily second wave

Trust me

[rustic vale]

They’re seperate categories of boons

Regular boons can be heroic
But legendary boons are specifically legendary and can’t be any other rarity

[frank torrent]

my favourite legendary is artemis with hera/beo

[ionic hemlock]

One that works on any weapon is ares aid+legendary

[bronze forge]

I dislike beo greatly

Idk how I even made it to hades

Wait

By beo you mean bewoulf right

[raw herald]

Yes

[frank torrent]

yes?

beowulf is super strong lmao

[bronze forge]

Yeah idk

I just dislike sitting there charging my shield

[raw herald]

Do small charges then

[bronze forge]

I got the hammer where it turns it into the bow with the flashing charge lol

[old dawn]

i don't like beo either even when ppl say it's really strong

[gray apex]

It’s one of those tricky to get into aspects

It feels sluggish and the damage isn’t quite there. Both of those impressions are the exact opposite of what Beowulf really is

[dull niche]

just bc a weapon is strong doesn’t mean u have to like it

[ionic minnow]

https://prnt.sc/dTjHdOzdlRiH

Is this a good RD strategy?

Bypassing HS and GH with plume, rolling for RD First with Plume?

Then possibly picking up HS and GH later?

[raw herald]

Yep

[high island]

That's why it's only a legend.

[raw herald]

Fairly common in eris speedruns if you have the full-ish build in Tartarus but no Hermes yet

[rustic vale]

C2 erebus gate for poms on dio flourish

C3 nectar for poms on dio flourish

[raw herald]

C4 purging pool to purge dio flourish

[rustic vale]

C4 😳

Boom

[high island]

C0 purge @rustic vale

[rustic vale]

Purge keepsake or companion?

[raw herald]

yeah

And skelly

[high island]

Purge you.

[old dawn]

lose run in c0

[rustic vale]

So uh

[ionic minnow]

Purge System32

[rustic vale]

I may have failed a suicide attempt
Entering Fury fight with 4 hp

[raw herald]

Sub 8able

[rustic vale]

Noooo

I just got shanked by a thug after she smoked the room

How did I let this happen

over confidence is truly my biggest bane

[high island]

You just need more practice.

[rustic vale]

Fair enough

Thanks ap1

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1058931601783918712/IMG_2717.jpg

Lmfao parting shot got ap1’d

[high island]

Realistically, you'll want to aim for sub 5 Asphodel exit if you want sub 10.

[rustic vale]

Bruh why’d this kill alecto so fast

This build feels so cursed

[high island]

Why? That looks pretty good.

[rustic vale]

Dio + aphro got swapped around

[high island]

Epic Heartbreak Flourish is pretty strong on Zeus.

Epic Drunken Strike also nice.

[rustic vale]

Now I guess I force in athena for aspho since my god pool is full and I could just get free dd thanks to magma

[high island]

40 Heat again?

[rustic vale]

yeah

[high island]

Hmmmm. Could also just go Coin Purse and go for natural gods since all 4 of them will be good.

[rustic vale]

ooh purple greatest reflex

Purple caustic flourish

Boons r going crazy

[rustic vale]

I already grabbed athena because of impatience

[high island]

Probably what I would have recommended a couple weeks ago tbh lol.

[rustic vale]

Nevermind

[high island]

Did you die on shield with +3 dashes?

[rustic vale]

… yes

In a than room of all places

the second I stopped dashing… thwomp dropped on my head

[high island]

Little tip when you have +3 dashes... play like you would with 2-3 dashes and save the remaining dashes for emergencies.

[high island]

Thanatos encounters can be pretty difficult in high heat.

[rustic vale]

ngl I’m gonna aphro start this time

Epic heartbreak flourish instantly ap1’d

[high island]

That wouldn't count as off-meta since I do that.

[rustic vale]

Bet

[rustic vale]

“Self proclaimed Hades top player”

[high island]

Shackle wouldn't count either since Baj did that the other day to show you.

[rustic vale]

Dem start

Anything other then fds

frost flourish instantly ap1’d

[high island]

fds?

[rustic vale]

Flat damage soup

[high island]

Just like... don't take AP1 at 40.

[rustic vale]

I could

[full lynx]

AP?

[rustic vale]

That seems like it would fix a bunch of my issues

[full lynx]

[high island]

Approval Process.

[full lynx]

Right

[rustic vale]

So

[high island]

Gitting gud builds better than gud builds gitting crossed out.

[rustic vale]

fair enough

Ap1 has been a big issue for me

it’s just what do I take instead

it’s kind of all annoying options left

I’ll take hs and another js step instead I guess?

[brazen aspen]

https://prnt.sc/1KzGkPi7Kmay

this was my 40 heat, but i don't think CP is recommended

maybe JS and HS

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[brazen aspen]

i feel like AP is fine if ur willing to put in more runs for good rng?

but unless you're time failling, JS is a better choice

[rustic vale]

“If ur willing to put in more runs for good rng” yeah more runs doesn’t guarantee better rng at some point

[brazen aspen]

eventually T_T

[rustic vale]

Not eventually

That’s gamblers fallacy

[brazen aspen]

no that's law of large numbers...

if you have a 10% chance of getting something, and you keep on trying, eventually you'll get it

[rustic vale]

That’s not how that works

[brazen aspen]

it is. the probability of you not getting it in x runs lowers the greater x is

[rustic vale]

.9^x will never hit 0

[brazen aspen]

geometric probability or smth

true, but it will get damn close

[rustic vale]

Which is your chance of not getting it to the power of how many times you’ve tried

Wow these bow hammers are really just hating me today

[cyan crown]

Happy new year

[latent moon]

AP is generally taken at 40 I thought

To be fair I guess I did Speedrun 40 heat so I took ap over js

But ap seemed like the right choice considering js and cf is kinda pain

[twilit lodge]

I believe so

Cold fusion doesn’t count bc it has a specific requirement of static discharge

[vital tapir]

leaving tart with 230 max hp on 50 heat

[twilit lodge]

Fatty

[deft python]

Uh

How do I do the place of revelry mission?

I’ve bought everything in the contractor

[tall trench]

How does swift strike interact with Lucifer rail? Does it increase the speed of the damage ramp up?

[latent moon]

Yeah

Pretty pointless frankly but it's kinda funny

You use ammo faster

So you are increasing the ramp up speed

So you won't be dealing "fully charged" damage longer, you'll just get to it sooner

[tall trench]

I see, I took it and yeah that summary is basically what I'm seeing lol. I would have been better off with hyper dash but the gods of re-rolling have not been kind to me today

I'm guessing a laser strategy is better with the infinite ammo hammer? I've been relying on special because it feels like as soon as my damage gets decent I gotta reload

[rustic vale]

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t make you hit max damage sooner tbh

I think it goes up per tick and ticks faster then it shoots

So you’re doing the damage faster but you’re ramping up at the same rate

I believe

[rustic vale]

Luci special is the best part about it for damage

[tall trench]

I definitely seem to be going through ammo faster, I got the epic version so the speed difference feels noticeable. Feels like sort of a trap if the tick speed isn't also increased though because wouldn't that mean I end up doing less damage per reload?

The special has been the nicest thing to me so far, even if it's slow/awkward to get it to hit consistently. This is the first run in a while I've been struggling with and when I looked for advice I mostly saw people talking about just setting the laser on a target and letting it ramp

Just seems not that practical with the magazine limitation, I'm in styx now mostly just spamming special and then kiting enemies into it

[rustic vale]

Where were you looking for advice?

[tall trench]

This was steam/reddit posts dredged up by searching, so about one step above an IGN guide

[rustic vale]

Those guys are in the stone age for Hades knowledge

[tall trench]

I saw a lot of recommendations for Zeus on attack and that seems to help, but I also saw people saying to +attack% on it which seems weird to me

[rustic vale]

Lucifer doesn’t really focus on it’s strikes base damage for it’s damage

Zeus on strike is really good

[tall trench]

yeah exactly the base seems low, zeus and then nabbing supporting fire seem to have had the most impact and I think they're helping to set the bombs off

[rustic vale]

+% on strike is probably slightly more effective then putting +% on regular rail strike

but still not worth it

Plus zeus strike can set off the bombs

[tall trench]

I guess but yeah I would never put +% on rail attack

unless hestia

[rustic vale]

Discounting spreadfire zag rail but yeah that’s my point

+% on luci attack doesn’t work well really

[tall trench]

Still even with zeus and supporting fire the main strat I've been using is chaos boons and arty to up special damage, but good to know zeus is setting off the bombs that seemed to be what I was seeing but can be hard to tell

[rustic vale]

zeus strike is meta because it hits fast and it has the ability to hit your own bombs exploding them

[tall trench]

before I put him on attack it was much less reliable to set them off using laser

[rustic vale]

any damage to the bombs sets them off

Thats why meta luci also runs tidal dash, it’s good damage, good aoe, and it can set off the bombs

[tall trench]

I never take poseidon's dash so didn't wanna try it here, I went with divine which can at least set them off

[rustic vale]

Pos dash is one of the best in the game

Pos dash <=> divine dash < hunter dash < everything else really

[tall trench]

What's good about it? I mostly am stuck with divine dash training wheels and swapping arty's dash in if I am working with a high base damage aspect

[rustic vale]

Big base damage and big aoe and good knockback

putting poms on it is super useful

[tall trench]

hmm okay well I'll make a point to start going for it to get a feel for it, divine is good but I don't feel like I need to take it every time anymore, and divine poms are worthless as far as I can tell

[rustic vale]

Divine dash is also good

It’s just more of a defensive pick unless you’re building Merciful End

[tall trench]

It would be nice to not hunt for athena in like half the runs though, having more than one generally good dash to look for will help avoid that outside of merciful end like you said

I can also look more into good duos poseidon might have, I normally keep him off everything except call which seems to be really good

[rustic vale]

Hunter dash is also really strong on the big base damage dash strike weapons

[tall trench]

yeah I love it, its hard to turn down such a big +% on aspects that can use it

[bronze forge]

for rama, does the order of things matter when unlocking

[rustic vale]

Wdym

[bronze forge]

i have guan yu, zagreus bow is fully maxed, but artemis isn't giving me the bow

[tall trench]

anyway thanks for the advice, not sure about rama unlocking it just sorta happened eventually for me

[bronze forge]

ive ran like 5 times with ample artemis boons

[rustic vale]

You have to get a comment from her while using the bow and then get a phrase from her using any aspect after that

[bronze forge]

oh i have to be using the bow?

[rustic vale]

Mind you Hades has RNG dialogue

[rustic vale]

Yeah for her to comment on you using it before you can actually get the awakening phrase

[bronze forge]

ok

so equip zagreus bow and look for artemis boons

[rustic vale]

basically

[bronze forge]

gotchu

[rustic vale]

That’s kinda already how zag bow plays anyways

[bronze forge]

you mean with artemis?

[subtle sinew]

Do you need max zag bow for it?

[tall trench]

yeah I've been using zag bow a lot lately when thirst is on it with arty and aphro it slaps

[rustic vale]

You need 5 titans blood in any bow aspects

[subtle sinew]

Gotcha

[rustic vale]

and guan-yu revealed

[subtle sinew]

But i have to run zag bow?

[bronze forge]

i generally just use the weapon that has the bonus 20% on it

mixes it up very well

[rustic vale]

Any bow

[subtle sinew]

Ok cool

[tall trench]

same, helps with indecisiveness while doing casual progression

[rustic vale]

don’t get held up on the zag bow part that’s just what they’re running rn

[bronze forge]

yeah honestly, the fated list has been a great motivator for me to play and experiment

without it i wouldve burned out

[tall trench]

same. Not sure what the meta is but all the bow aspects seem pretty great at least around 5-10 heat which is nice too

[bronze forge]

bow is incredible

[rustic vale]

The bows are all pretty good

[tall trench]

only weapons I've struggled with so far (granted only tried each of them once) is arthur sword and luci rail

[rustic vale]

Hera being best for speed and Rama being best for heat

[tall trench]

I think I get the concept behind arthur sword but executing the combo while dashing without missing or messing up the timing seems to take practice

[rustic vale]

Eh

Arthur ez
Just hit dedge and play it like any other sword but buffer your dash strikes to avoid using the regular swing combo

[tall trench]

dedge? You're saying to just rely on the dash strikes instead of leaning into the attack combo?

[rustic vale]

It’s a viable option

And a potent one at that

Big combo takes forever

[latent moon]

Technically it does if you use ammo faster

[tall trench]

Yeah big damage base but like I said really tricky to get out safely. I guess I'd just play it based on if I was getting +attack% offers or +dashattack% offers early on, but I see what you're saying

[rustic vale]

I mean yeah but I think it makes it so you don’t hit the same maximum damage/hit on the final hit

[latent moon]

Huh

Wack

[rustic vale]

Some people like shadow slash arthur and try to use the full attack combo but I don’t like it

[tall trench]

That's the thing I got offered shadow slash when I did my run with it, so it felt like that was the way to go

but so many missed attacks, and kept messing up the combo by accidentally dash striking

[rustic vale]

And as always, since arthur is a melee aspect, you can always just crank up the ME

[latent moon]

Aren't you supposed to do the full attack combo with arthur

[rustic vale]

Unless you find dedge

yeah

[tall trench]

just feel like you have to get the hang of using it that way since it's pretty weird, pumping up dash strike and calling it a day feels much easier to do and if you could get double edge

[latent moon]

And like dash in-between the strikes

[tall trench]

oh that's what dedge means, lol, it clicked

[latent moon]

Pretty sure you just throw in a dstrike every now and then but you don't solely use it if you get it

[tall trench]

I think that's the intention of it, just hard to execute

[rustic vale]

Honestly
Idk meta arthur dps rotation

[latent moon]

Watch the wr heat run on it lmao

[tall trench]

I was using the attack combo for general damage and dstrike for things i could oneshot or that had low health

[rustic vale]

Too busy turning on my switch to play Hades

[latent moon]

Fair

[rustic vale]

I want to focus on zeus shield but dem zag bow is calling me

just double checking that ME zag rail isn’t the meta for zag rail right

[tall trench]

I think zag bow is way more fun to play but zeus shield is like an auto-win button (this is around 5-10 heat I have a feeling you're doing much higher than that)

zeus shield is when I just get all the throwaway stuff for prophecies

[rustic vale]

I’m doing 40 heat

[tall trench]

lol yeah different worlds

[latent moon]

To be fair

Zeus shield can do 64

[rustic vale]

Zag bow is uber fun to play

[tall trench]

I just found out that theseus gets gatling guns 10 minutes ago so

Zag bow leaning into dash strike perfect shot timing is

so fun

[rustic vale]

Zag bow is a rhythm game

Apparently I don’t know how to spell rhythm

[tall trench]

tbf rhythm is spelled like it doesn't wanna be spelled

[rustic vale]

Taking every erebus gate I see is kinda painful

[analog elbow]

You gotta be a good judge of your power and knowing what to expect

[latent moon]

maybe dont do every erebus gate you see and do 40 heat like a normal person lmao

[analog elbow]

idk about you but I never take Elysium Erebus gates lol

[tall trench]

There's no inherent benefit to taking them right? Just if you want the reward instead of whats offered?

[rustic vale]

They are better rewards

[analog elbow]

All rewards are better than a regular encounter

[tall trench]

Well they're miniboss level rewards right?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

that’s the benefit

but I’m taking every single one of them I see for reasons

[analog elbow]

It's a pretty solid benefit imo

[tall trench]

Yeah ig I was thinking if you have other miniboss options or just better options in general based on what you need

wasn't sure if they're like a free room or not

[latent moon]

they're the opposite of a free room

[tall trench]

lol I mean like, if they let you get an "extra" room and reward in before the end of a floor

[latent moon]

erebus gates take longer because 1) time for the first wave to spawn in is like a good 5 seconds or so and 2) 1 hit means no rewards at all

[analog elbow]

In this case, yea, it's a free additional encounter

[latent moon]

counts for that yeah

those are typically called extensions

[analog elbow]

same with chaos if they pop up

[rustic vale]

Free rooms are rooms that have a negligible effect on in game time

[tall trench]

What that makes a huge difference. I've only been taking tartarus but I didn't think they were extending the floor, thought chaos counted as a chamber as well (i.e. not an extension)

[rustic vale]

midshops or chaos (do take time) or story rooms (don’t take time)

[tall trench]

No time crunch on my end since not at that heat yet but extra rooms still == extra rewards

[rustic vale]

Are “free rooms” because they take almost no in game time

[carmine wraith]

Hmm, do dash attack damage boosting effects not work on rail because it essentially just fires normal shots faster?

[rustic vale]

Dash attack damage boosts do work on rail

[tall trench]

Dash attack damage boosts work on rail

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/n2aKKqauq__Z

A satisfying prophecy to fulfill

[carmine wraith]

I have a +100% boost and a +43% boost and I'm spamming dash attacks constantly but feel like I deal zero damage

[latent moon]

when he said "negligible effect on in game time" he means like, the in game time does not change much
but in a run it cuts off a significant amount of time compared to a normal encounter

[rustic vale]

On which aspect?

[carmine wraith]

eris

[latent moon]

do you have lightning strike

[carmine wraith]

yeah

[analog elbow]

If you think you can take on the room without losing too much HP, for Erebus I mean, it's defo worth it

[latent moon]

should be doing a lot more damage then

[rustic vale]

Your issue is that you’re putting +% damage on something with next to no base damage

[latent moon]

oh wait

[carmine wraith]

hmm weird, also yeah true I guess

[latent moon]

yeah i just realized

those % modifiers are affecting the 10 damage bullet

not the lightning

[analog elbow]

Yea, a large percentage of a small number, is... surprisingly a small number

[carmine wraith]

Zeus attack seems really weak to me so far

Should have just gone dionysus

[latent moon]

well it's the best for eris rail

[rustic vale]

It’s really strong on rail

[latent moon]

dio is also good but it's worse

[tall trench]

zeus attack is good on fast attacks with low base damage imo

[rustic vale]

Particularly on eris

Thanks to it’s +75% global

[carmine wraith]

hmm well ig I still only have +15% eris that certainly doesn't help

[tall trench]

but if you have zeus on attack the best way to buff it is to get lightning buffing boons or increase attack speed I think

[rustic vale]

Even still zeus should be doing a lot of work

[rustic vale]

Attack speed increase isn’t really important

[carmine wraith]

I guess I just need more Zeus boons, only seen one all run

[analog elbow]

You can still complement it with special and cast damage if need be

[carmine wraith]

and only 1 pom so far

[latent moon]

considering zag rail alternate build is bad eris, which is just lightning strike
you should still be doing fine lmao

ideally you would find static discharge

and like

ideally every other zeus boon including the legendary

[analog elbow]

What would you do in runs where the god you want shows up only once?

[tall trench]

true true I guess I was isolating the attack on its own with that statement

[carmine wraith]

Well I'm like halfway through the third stage so far and only one zeus so lol rip

[latent moon]

well if it's zeus and i started with it i'd justs cope with just lightning strike

[tall trench]

I guess it wouldn't be making nearly as much of a diff as having lightning buffs

[rustic vale]

But yeah the only rail that cares about +% dash strike damage is hestia

[latent moon]

lucifer

i find it funny that luci can't dash strike

[analog elbow]

That's one of my least liked aspects of the game tbh, and I hope it does not make a comeback in the sequel

[rustic vale]

Luci when it literally can’t datrike

[latent moon]

hunter dash? gone

yo you get a better chaos boon pool with luci because of that

[tall trench]

wait I never even considered that about Lucifer, I just assumed I'd get dash strike boosts when dashing or something

[latent moon]

that's so based

[latent moon]

can't dstrike on luci lmao

[tall trench]

well yeah it makes sense now that you've said it lol

[latent moon]

i mean considering it's a roguelike it sometimes just do be like that sometimes

would be nice if it didn't happen in hades 2 but tbf it is just the genre of the game

[analog elbow]

Eh true but I feel there can be a fix for it

Especially if you forced that god to show up

[carmine wraith]

Oh jeez uhh so I have explosive shot or whatever, do I get delta chamber, seeking fire, or spread fire

[latent moon]

delta

you get full iframes on dash strikes with delta chamber

and it's just a good atk hammer to begin with

seeking fire is literally bad

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire only good on zag rail

[latent moon]

and spread fire is bad on eris

well

could work on eris

[carmine wraith]

L I think seeking is the last hammer I need for rail prophecy lol

[latent moon]

but not at this point in the run

welp

if you want a good run, delta

if you want prophecy, seeking

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire makes zag rail the best melee aspect in the game

[carmine wraith]

run seems kinda scuffed, I'll prob go seeking

[tall trench]

I take seeking on half a higher percentage than I'd like of the hestia runs I get because +10% attack is still +10% attack and sometimes the hammers are cruel. I don't get the point of it if you have better options though when aim assist on controller is so strong

[analog elbow]

How new are you to the game Infiniti?

Because if you are still pretty new, I'd recommend going with whatever sounds the most fun or that sounds like it would work with you build.

[carmine wraith]

50 runs

[analog elbow]

You'll figure out stuff and ejoy it more that way I feel

[carmine wraith]

Just beat final boss last run with spear

[analog elbow]

heck yea, ggs!

The rail takes some getting used to tbh since it's pretty different from all others

[carmine wraith]

I figure prophecies would be fastest power spike in meta progression tho

[tall trench]

Do the vases in Hades fight count as traps?

[analog elbow]

The game has multiple systems to help with meta progression

Depends on what you need

[analog elbow]

yes

[tall trench]

Plucking the lyre 500 times is my current meta progression

[tall trench]

Nice, ty

[rustic vale]

You just need 210 for the quest btw

also lmfao just killed meg with killing freeze

[tall trench]

Okay cool, I feel like I've done 210 already but you know how time flies when you're pressing X every few seconds

[analog elbow]

If you're looking for darkness, 0 heat runs with the wep you already cleared can be a hefty ammount of darkness, and fishing+troves can help a lot with gems

[rustic vale]

10 heat faster darkness grind

[carmine wraith]

Huh am I blind or does the wiki not show prophecy for all rail hammers

[analog elbow]

They just got their first clear man..

[rustic vale]

FO2 EM2 TD1 for real time gamers

[rustic vale]

And so they either clear sooner or die sooner, either way experiencing more Hades faster

Trust

[analog elbow]

Sure, but you forget about the main point of the game, having fun and trying fun stuff

[tall trench]

I anvil'ed into triple bomb in styx on luci and wtf this thing is several times better now I think it may just single handedly have saved my streak

[carmine wraith]

Oh hammer prophecies are just 200 gemstones

[rustic vale]

I’m not forgetting it
I’m trolling rn

Anvil RNG manipulation

[analog elbow]

The anvil is such an awesome gamble, it can save a garbo run or further ruin it lol

(Hence the Chaos eye on it)

[rustic vale]

Anvil is not a gamble if you know what you’re doing

[tall trench]

i have learned to pretty much never take anvil, too many aspects have hammers out there that will just kill them

[rustic vale]

You learned wrong

[tall trench]

but this run was pretty doomed tbh so I went for it

[rustic vale]

tbh Anvil rng manip isn’t common and I think I’m the only one who actively advocates for it

[tall trench]

I dunno I trust I mean but like in my experience so far it's hurt more than its helped

I didn't know you could manipulate the rng though

[rustic vale]

but like, you can almost guarantee anvil to be anything you want

[brisk trail]

Anvil is only good if you got bad hammers already imo

[rustic vale]

anvil is good if you have 1 hammer you don’t care about and 1 or more hammers that you want but don’t have

Let me find my copy paste for how anvil rng manipulation works real quick

[tall trench]

See, even if I have 2 hammers that are doing nothing for me, there's the chance I'll anvil into something that just actively hurts my setup

[rustic vale]

You take the anvil
Don’t like it? Quit the game through pause menu
Cast or summon one more time then you did last time
Rinse repeat till perfect combo

[analog elbow]

Definitely! It depends on how you built your run

[rustic vale]

Allows you to practically guarantee perfect hammers from anvil

[tall trench]

Not gonna lie I've thought about doing this before but assumed it would just terminate my run or something

[rustic vale]

The casting /summoning part pushes the rng counter thingo by one tick so alters your anvil results

so you just do it more times each time till you find the right amount

[tall trench]

I guess I've never had to quit out midrun tbh lol so wasn't sure how that would work

that makes sense though if it keeps you in the styx and doesn't save after you purchase the anvil

This changes everything

[rustic vale]

The same thing can be done for eurydice but it’s generally just better for you to take refreshing nectar

[analog elbow]

Congrats, you took the fun out of the anvil, yay!

[rustic vale]

Thank you, thank you, I take 100% of the credit

But yeah
That’s why I’m the only person who advocates for anvil rng manipulation I think

It kind of sucks away the magic from it

[analog elbow]

You guys know an awful lot about the game, but this type of advice should not be given to new players imo

[rustic vale]

Hey I don’t want people getting the wrong impression of how useful anvil can be

[tall trench]

I mean most of the time I get to styx my setup is at least workable enough where not messing with anvil trying to get something better doesn't bother me, but if I come into styx with a busted hammer I am not above trying that

[analog elbow]

It's supposed to be a hail mary, not a pick it and reset till you win mary

Might as well manip the save file

[tall trench]

I'd call it fair play if devs patched it and let us spend 2 fated authorities to reroll a hammer

[rustic vale]

?

Manip the save file?

[analog elbow]

yea, so you can redo an encounter

[tall trench]

but I don't think a lot of people would sit there and grind out optimal anvil as a normal thing anyway

Seems very much not worth it in most conventional situations

[rustic vale]

do you mean like routing a run or directly editting the code

[analog elbow]

No, but i'm not gonna say anything else

[rustic vale]

It’s often a waste of time anyways

Since like

[analog elbow]

You'd be surprised lol

[rustic vale]

The time you spent could be used fighting Hades

[analog elbow]

That's why the game doesn't allow save-scumming

or, it's been made harder than normal

[rustic vale]

Routing entire runs is a thing
That’s how the single 64 heat completion that has been recorded was done

[tall trench]

Yeah I mean it's not the sort of thing I'd generally use but just like knowing it can be done if I get to the styx with bad hammers and having a bad time, I mean the god mode button is right there if you're hating life

[rustic vale]

Godmode is different

Rng manipulating hammer doesn’t guarantee you a win

I’m not rng manipulating anything for 40 heat

I swore I wouldn’t

So I’ven’t

[tall trench]

Yeah that's true enough, I only intended to point out that there are ways in the game to take the difficulty out, obviously having a manipulated anvil is not the same as being unable to lose

[visual grove]

Just got hades the other day, it’s my first roguelike or roguelite, whatever it’s called

[latent moon]

gamer

[rustic vale]

Hades is a roguelite

[visual grove]

Well then it’s my first roguelite

And the music is so good

Like, the whole game is really fun so far but the music is amazing

[rustic vale]

I know, very vrej

[tall trench]

yeah music and presentation are leagues above most others in the genre that I know of

[rustic vale]

Manipulating anvil doesn’t take the difficulty out of the game

[visual grove]

Now I’m playing RDR2, hades, and doom eternal at the same time

Well, not simultaneously but interchangeably lol

[latent moon]

if manipulating a run made the run easy there would be more clears of the 64 zeus shield route lmao

[rustic vale]

Imo it’s more of a “win harder” but that’s because that’s the only time I really use it

[latent moon]

a few have

vorime and latt millard have done it

[tall trench]

I wasn't trying to say it did, or to say it could make a run with an already insane barrier to clear "easy", but obviously if you have two identical runs except one has better hammers that's eas_ier_ than the other

[latent moon]

but yeah

[rustic vale]

Or maybe you’re playing sword and you want to get rid of that stupid negatively impacting hammer without hitting into the 3 other negatively impacting hammers

[latent moon]

well to be fair, doing a routed run is hard to begin with because of doing rng manips

yeah

but millard still did it lmao

idk who else did

those are just the ones that i know of

[rustic vale]

Uber valid reason to anvil manip

[tall trench]

Yeah this is the sort of thing I'd use it on if I was not having a good time. Sometimes you just get an awful hammer and still wanna beat the game.

Manipping just to get a good hammer? Maybe at like crazy heat levels like some of you are doing, I'm not knocking it don't get me wrong, but I'm just playing casually and it wouldn't be worth it for me to do that

[latent moon]

talos uses eris route actually

[rustic vale]

Let me think of the times I’ve done it uh

[latent moon]

not really because the special doesnt manip rng

[tall trench]

Yeah but I'm around 10 heat rn I haven't lost a run in like 30 runs it's a waste of time vs just making it work for where I'm at

[latent moon]

i dont think

i didnt watch the talos run

[ionic minnow]

My heat PB sober is 17 heat, what do you think I can do after being 2 champagnes, 1 rum shot, and an absinthe-washed fireball deep?

[latent moon]

you might have to pick the right spot for it, but either way talos used eris route lmao

do it

[ionic minnow]

I LIKE these odds lesgooooo

[tall trench]

I'm increasing by one each time cause of the bounty system, swapping weapons based on whatever has thirst

[rustic vale]

I think to guarantee double nova without taking away super nova on a special only sword run
To guarantee dedge on a hoarding slash meme run
Maybe for a beowulf run?
Aside from that I don’t remember

[carmine wraith]

Alright I have all 3 DD and 380 health, surely I can't lose

[tall trench]

It's been fun

[carmine wraith]

even though I have privileged status and no status effects

[latent moon]

why would that matter

[rustic vale]

Those are confident words lol

[latent moon]

this is why we dont take pstatus

[rustic vale]

I’m not sure

Let me check my records

[latent moon]

beo with cshot is good tho

[ionic minnow]

suppose you used 2 god keepsakes to deliberately build for pstatus

[rustic vale]

Any recorded runs with 3 hammers have got to be manipulated

[ionic minnow]

Is it good then?

[rustic vale]

Pstatus only good if you’re running dionysus, aphrodite or demeter to start with

[latent moon]

i mean pstatus has it's uses in some builds

but like

95% of the time family favorites is better because of that

regarding meta builds, pstatus is used on drunk chiron and passion beo
there's prob others you can make an argument for, like drunk fists or eris

hera builds towards 2 curses but it uses family favorites lmao

[ionic minnow]

I'm going drunk arthur!!! and by that I mean aphro-booned arthur while me the player is drunk

[latent moon]

so does passion beo lmao

[rustic vale]

Do smair dio call arthur

[latent moon]

the logic behind psatus beo is just "you're already oneshotting up until ely so might as well take pstatus" lmao

5% initial boost is needed i guess

[latent moon]

based

lmao scuffed hera guide doesnt say family favorites vs pstatus

[tall trench]

That's the one thing that even from my playtime seems really messed up when looking at steam/reddit posts, everyone goes nuts over pstatus but I would often find myself making bad decisions to make it work and even when it does work it still has to be setup before the damage kicks in whereas family favorite is just there

At this point I don't do pstatus unless I know exactly what I'm making beforehand and feel very confident I'm gonna get it

But most of the general advice I read starting out was essentially to default to going for it which I think is backwards

[rustic vale]

Reddit and steam posts are in the stone age for Hades knowledge btw

[tall trench]

Yeah, I'm realizing that more and more

It's just what comes up when searching for Hades stuff unless I wanna read gamesradars top 10 boons or whatever

[latent moon]

i love it when i'm forced to do get a 2nd curse to get a 40% boost and use a weird combo to make it useful

[carmine wraith]

EZ TWO IN A ROW

nice

[tall trench]

Exactly, I think a lot of people just stop at "bigger number"

[tall trench]

nice gj

[latent moon]

ngl back then i didn't realize how important the mirror was so whenever i changed it i never bothered to change it back

[carmine wraith]

Took 10 minutes longer than my spear run lol

[latent moon]

i used to run ff but i switched to pstatus to hear the funky sound effect

but never switched off

[rustic vale]

One of the gaming journals had a lucifer build guide which was just a list of every single athena boon

[carmine wraith]

I like dionysus aphrodite and demeter so pstatus is pretty good for me

[tall trench]

I would literally pay for a feature that removed any games journalism results from searches, give me wiki or at least community posts if I'm not gonna ask the active community (hence being here)

[rustic vale]

This is the only place to ask

[latent moon]

it's kinda like paper being ripped

[rustic vale]

Everywhere else is

At some point I manipped nem to get shadow slash dedge and breaching slash

[tall trench]

serebii my beloved, I dunno been a minute since I was into a poke game but good to know they serve at least a purpose still

[rustic vale]

Tree finally not using thunder dash on swords

[latent moon]

simply cheat

do you have atk on cursor off or something

idk i dont have the game lmao

so i dont follow it

lmao

gamer

i had like a 4+ minute tart on my 32 nem run because of that

i was like "man i really suck with sword i'm missing every dstrike"

turns out i couldn't aim the dstrike

[tall trench]

Man I wish I had to grind for a pokemon game tbh. Don't be wrong not saying being underlevelled can't make it hard but dang that series needs to acknowledge it has a huge fanbase that's now able to count beyond 10

[rustic vale]

Nem:
Dash nova
Double Edge
Super Nova

[latent moon]

fiery probably i think

faster tart

[rustic vale]

Super nova
Double nova
Flurry slash
Wtf was I building

wait this was the special only run

[latent moon]

well i used fiery

a dash strike can one shot a few things

idk what's objectively better lmao

probably fiery

because everything uses fiery

except like 3 aspects

[rustic vale]

Y’know

A suspicious amount of these anviled runs are sword ones

Also I can’t spell

Give me a second

[carmine wraith]

Meg in my room ayo? 👀

[high island]

No no no no no.

[latent moon]

fair tbh

[high island]

The hammer is the fake one.

The dash special tech came first.

[latent moon]

on the other hand

saying "dash nova is a cool tech" doesn't feel right

[high island]

Amir stole our tech and made it a hammer.

[tall trench]

Dang triple bombs + support fire and zeus attack made lucifer rail super fun. Night and day after getting that hammer

[high island]

I would have prefered if we got Snap Nova back.

If others get motion sick from it, that's not my problem.

[rustic vale]

👍

[high island]

Basically Dash Nova but if you press Special again after using your Special, you snap back to the original location.

[brisk trail]

[latent moon]

so like

budget raging rush

[high island]

Nah, better tbh. You could even do a Dash-Strike after the initial Special and still snap back.

The mobility was amazing for sword.

Watching may induce motion sickness. You've been warned. https://clips.twitch.tv/HeartlessCleanHornetBatChest

[carmine wraith]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/5098669332630517219/4F5EBFFA5FA9829C583CD1ED26D584DEE11AEA82

Is this a pretty standard mirror

Oh hmm oops

[high island]

404 not found.

[latent moon]

wait that's actually so cool

[high island]

It is.

[latent moon]

like zag does a roll back sorta thing too

[high island]

But as I said, players complained about motion sickness.

[latent moon]

skill issue frankly

[carmine wraith]

https://i.imgur.com/plD0yET.jpg

There

[high island]

Also it was a little buggy and sometimes you just got teleported somewhere completely different than the original position lol.

[latent moon]

greater reflex better than ruthless for starters

actually that's pretty much the only pressing issue

[high island]

Mirror guide: #h1-for-new-players message

[latent moon]

fiery vs shadow doesn't matter too much frankly unless you wanna min/max

[carmine wraith]

Hmm I'm constantly seeing ruthless popups

[latent moon]

and if you're using a castpect you'd generally want infernal soul over stygian soul

[carmine wraith]

Double dash just feels weird to me idk

[high island]

I'd say defaulting to Fiery is a lot better tbh.

[carmine wraith]

No like in-game I see ruthless proc a lot

[latent moon]

more mobility > more damage + dodge chance

a well timed extra dash is a 100% dodge rate lmao

[fallen fjord]

nyaanyaa Mewmew ayaya happy ny

[tall trench]

I never thought of it that way that makes sense... I was trying to adjust to ruthless for the extra damage % but the aggression opportunities of having two dashes alone is a lot to give up

[carmine wraith]

How does an extra dash affect my playstyle of.. spamming dash attacks left and right lol

[latent moon]

you can dash strike more?

[carmine wraith]

Ah okay I didn't know if dash attacks themselves had a cooldown or if it was the dash cooldown I was limited by

[latent moon]

dash attacks are limited by how many dashes you have

as the name suggests lmao

[high island]

"Noob" is derogatory for newbie, we don't use that here really.

Yeah.

Newbie is a new player while noob is an incompetent player, basically.

[carmine wraith]

I'm a noob it's okay

I always found the terms interchangeable too yeah

[high island]

No, the oo is basically for 00 for how much competence the player has.

Kinda like "lol you played the game for so long and you still don't know any more than a newbie". That's a noob.

[fallen fjord]

AYAYA

[tall trench]

lol I've never read into it like that but I've seen gaming communities where noob is not something you'd wanna be called but newbie was always a safe bet if you were really worried about offending someone

[high island]

I think it's just newer generations not knowing the difference and confounding them. Or maybe the noobs can't tell the difference between newbs and noobs because they never learned.

[tall trench]

noob makes me think of WoW barrens chat or getting called out for using shotty in CoD or GoW

[rustic vale]

Using a shotty in God of War

[carmine wraith]

hmm looks like the kitty is right

I think I missed that weapon in my playthrough hm

[tall trench]

lol I mean gears of war

[latent moon]

well kratos is from fortnite, and fortnite has shotguns

[rustic vale]

True!

[carmine wraith]

Noob can be considered more derogatory than newbie according to the internet

And the internet is never wrong

[latent moon]

well they can both be from fortnite

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/60second-docs-60second-docs-gifs-sixtyseconddocumentaries-lets-do-this-lets-go-gif-9798609

[carmine wraith]

Face reveal

Would you build fists similar to rail

Just spam zeus

[high island]

You can.

[tall trench]

zeus would probably work? I have been using merciful end on demeter fists and it has not done me wrong

[carmine wraith]

Is talos good at all or eh

So it's amazing then got it

lol rip

[high island]

I wrote a guide for Demeter Aspect here if you're interested: #h1-builds-and-combat message

Talos is fine tbh. Just gets bad at high heat.

[tall trench]

I'll try that next time I use fists.

I thought talos was really fun to use, noticed the special not working sometimes but it still seemed to apply the debuff so wasn't a huge issue. This was at like 6 heat though so if people say its bad at high heat I believe it

[high island]

I should get my Talos high heat WR back sometime. 'Twas rudely stolen from me after early access.

[latent moon]

do the funny talos pull cancel gimmick

[carmine wraith]

is the standard strat to use god keepsake to guarantee desired attack boon and then swap to something else after tartarus

or do you just yolo first boon

[tall trench]

If you lean into the special and use it to drag enemies into you or a cast I mean that's not like, nothing, but zag has so much mobility that its more of like a fun gimmick than it is pulling its own weight

[tall trench]

I usually keepsake for the first boon I want at least, getting setup early gives more chances for duos is my reasoning

[latent moon]

god keepsake -> god keepsake -> defense/utility -> defense/utility/offense

[high island]

It's called the Nyaanyaa Cancel ™️.

[latent moon]

very cool

[high island]

I discovered it. So I can name it what I want and you must all call it that.

That's how that works.

🔫

[latent moon]

i will call it funny talos pull cancel gimmick

[high island]

You will hear from my lawyers. 🔫

[carmine wraith]

Huh how does god keepsake work for after you start a run, will it force that god to appear as a next room option? Or do you use it to increase rare

[tall trench]

The boon will force that god to appear first unless you get a hammer or a scripted boon, in which case it should be offered next time a boon would come up

[carmine wraith]

ah okay makes sense

[high island]

Not as the next chamber reward, but the next boon that you do see as a chamber reward will be from that god. There's a little 1 under the keepsake if you still have that charge. If you pick up a boon from that god, you lose the charge and it's no longer forced. If you skip the boon and take another exit instead, you'll keep the charge and next time there's a boon, the god will be forced again.

The rarity bonus remains even if the charge is used.

[rustic vale]

If you perform the Nyaanyaa Cancel™️ a milisecond later then usual it becomes the Shackle Bestest Boon cancel™️

[high island]

Hmmmm no.

I think Talos is probably the best aspect for Blizzard Shot builds.

[rustic vale]

Agreed

[high island]

It's also pretty good for Black Out builds with Drunken Strike + Trippy Shot.

[tall trench]

That's definitely true, if you're going to be pumping cast there's better stuff to use for sure. I'd rather use hera or achilles ig

[rustic vale]

It keeps forcing it until you take it

[high island]

Poseidon can't pull enemies into your Festive Fog.

That doesn't mean they'll stay there.

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/tqeCcmkzOqSo

I am SO getting that chaos victory screen soon

[rustic vale]

I just love it when my enemies all stay in the festive fog like they’re supposed to

[tall trench]

I wish the achilles spear buff would reset if you rush before using all 4 attacks, I seem to most often end up with 3 casts and its awkward throwing in an extra jab there just to clear it

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t stun them completely

[brisk trail]

Hades: "Yeah I seem to not care"

[rustic vale]

It does, just way less then normal

[brisk trail]

dad is the unstoppable force and the immovable object

[rustic vale]

He is very much a moveable object

[brisk trail]

pranked

[carmine wraith]

Hmm does clearing on 1 heat also give rewards for 0 heat, or should I clear with 0 heat first

[brisk trail]

Maybe pick up UTK? if that's available

UTK is like my default "screw ares" ares pick

[rustic vale]

Where is the gif of Hades being blasted into a wall and dying to wall slam damagd

[carmine wraith]

Ah okay so 0 heat it is

[brisk trail]

ME rarely happens (the way you want it to) anyway. Can you still pivot?

idk I don't know your build rn but surely the run isn't trashed

I mean, you're not gonna hit give up, are ya

[deft python]

I wish ares gave better stuff

Alright let’s get heated in here. Most fun weapon?

Most fun not best

[rustic vale]

Zag bow

[deft python]

Fists

[brisk trail]

Ares basically has 2 redeeming qualities: Hunting Blades, and Merciful End.

[tall trench]

zag bow agreed. hestia rail is my runner up

[brisk trail]

Zeus shield, honestly.

[deft python]

I hate the gun

[rustic vale]

I love Hades; the rhythm game

[deft python]

Fists top weapon

[brisk trail]

Zeus shield is fun because it go brrr, even if it did 2 damage per hit it would still feel super fun

[tall trench]

Ares at least has that boon that increases all damage, special, and cast damage, if I have to take an ares boon and I don't want doom or ME that's usually what I hope for

[deft python]

What do you enjoy the most

[brisk trail]

I guess Lucifer laser is also really fun bc it go brrr

anything that attacks really quickly I just find very amusing

Rama is SO fun, but I have to expand my brain when I use it

[deft python]

Fists are trash

[brisk trail]

^irl photo of me using rama

[deft python]

But I just love them

[tall trench]

I think normal rarity unpommed is 10 yeah, it gets higher but obviously its not an ideal situation if you're already not wanting ares, at least that can apply some benefit to most builds even if you don't care about doom.

[deft python]

Imma be honest, I literally never use my special

[rustic vale]

Zag bow is my favourite weapon because it just goes bap bap bap and it’s over

[deft python]

On everything

[brisk trail]

But its best to maximum damage with shared suffering by using positioning to multihit enemies

[tall trench]

I guess assuming you have something you're using with decent base damage, otherwise its harder to care even if it was like 20%

[brisk trail]

I guess that's just for optimal play though

[deft python]

Fists are trash but I can mindlessly dive into hordes of enemies and it’s so satisfying

Very fun

Ok now, least fun weapon?

[rustic vale]

Chaos shield

[deft python]

Id say aegis

[deft python]

I just hate how it controlls

I personally like spear

[tall trench]

Probably zag fists or zag rail for me personally? Not saying either can't be good it just feels sorta mindless to me

[rustic vale]

Aspectless shield is so boring thougg

[deft python]

When the dark thirst guides me to play the spear, I enjoy it

[rustic vale]

I’m a God at everything Hades
Trust me

[deft python]

Me like mindless weapon. Fists are my favorite.

Second worst weapon is the rail

[tall trench]

my guan yu clear went way better than I expected but I lucked out with charged skewer and basically could just spam special the whole time

[deft python]

Just not fun

[tall trench]

That's fair lol

[deft python]

No I’m pretty good with it. I just don’t enjoy it

Idk the reloading is annoying and it’s just not as simple as beating something to death

[tall trench]

I dunno at least with eris there's positioning? That's more than attack spam zag rail unless I'm missing something

I just rebind reload immediately and then dash reload

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire zagrail is mindless carnage

[tall trench]

I mean you shoot the special and get into the special yeah? Or am I using it wrong? I have only used it twice so far due to not having a lot of titan blood atm

[deft python]

I also like fists because more action. You have to get right in the enemies face.

[tall trench]

Ah that would be different sure, I haven't had rocket bomb with it but I can get what you're saying

[deft python]

Wait it is?

I need to look into aspects. I’ve just been rolling with the basic weapons

I’ve beaten hades like 2-3 times with it

Well yeah

[deft python]

That can wait tho. I have more important things to do.

[tall trench]

I usually aim at where the enemies are and then dash into it, but I've only done two runs with it, not trying to debate you on it, just still seems at least more to manage than zag rail

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire zag rail
Cluster bomb + rocket bomb on any rail for clockets
Luci literally dashing into melee to explode it’s own bombs

All are melee

[tall trench]

Hestia rail is satisfying with hunter dash because the dash reload -> dash shoot cycle can just feel mechanically satisfying

[rustic vale]

Shoot -> reload cancel via special -> shoot

[tall trench]

I'll play around with reload cancelling via special instead of dash, but even when I'm not trying to build around dash strike most of my runs have ended up with more dash strike damage than regular attack damage

[rustic vale]

Special reload canceling is really just to let you move still

And get damage jn

[tall trench]

yeah if I could special out of the animation instead of (sometimes) needlessly dashing that's just more damage

I'm definitely gonna play with it next time rail comes up

[rustic vale]

I wonder if I shan’t do a 9 heat zeus speedrun now

See if I’ve really gotten better

[latent moon]

zeus isn't particularly a fast aspect tho

[rustic vale]

Still
Sub10 should be possible

[latent moon]

true

[tall trench]

Are you going for low times are do people just generally run the time limit pact at 10 heat?

[latent moon]

if you're speedrunning for in game time, you do 9 heat

drop tight deadline

[rustic vale]

Em2 fo2 is speedrun heat
Em2 fo2 td1 is rta heat

[latent moon]

i generally go for low times because i dont have much else to do in this game unless i want to push heat but i dont want to put practice for that lmao

[tall trench]

Thanks, good to know

and yeah going for low times for the sake of low times makes sense, I was just wondering

[latent moon]

Grinding for sub6 be pain

I want to do it but I don't want to keep playing Beowulf lmao

Can hardly get a sub8 anymore

Idk how I got that sub7 a while ago

[tall trench]

if you got serrated point offered in your first achilles hammer, would you transition away from building cast and just go for the buffed dash strike damage?

lol look I dunno my plan was icewine but its still really early

by the gods

[rustic vale]

2:14 tart leave

Wtf

Cshot goes crazy

2:14 tart exit has to be my fastest ever

Oh wait

That explains my tart time

I had a survival room and a than room in tart

[high island]

Better chambers.

[rustic vale]

4:44.56 done with aspho

This is going nice

Guess 40 heat does make me better at speed

[latent moon]

Tmw you take enshrouded at Ely start and get every free room plus than

This is why we don't take js

For what

Ap1 lmao

I mean passion beo should handle ap1 fine

But fair enough

[high island]

I don't believe in AP1 for 40 Heat.

[rustic vale]

8:28.97 ely leave

Sub10able

[high island]

Yes but no.

[latent moon]

5 sack time

[void vigil]

i believe

[latent moon]

Reset then

Actually on the other hand it's beo

It scales late game really well anyways

[high island]

Even with a 2-sack, if it took you that long to get out of Elysium, you're very unlikely to do Styx + dad in 1:30.

[rustic vale]

Agreed

[latent moon]

Bargy wargy

Beo scales late game better than early game so you should be fine tbh

Aspho should give you a chunk of extra time too

[carmine wraith]

Does blood frenzy work on hades?

[latent moon]

Oh

Welp

[high island]

I died to TD vs King Theseus and Asterius on 53 Heat earlier because all I had was Heartbreak Strike + Divine Flourish on Chiron.

[latent moon]

This is why we don't take js

[high island]

Well, I also had Lv.1 Phalanx Shot and Lv.3 Divine Dash.

[carmine wraith]

Wondering if +22% blood frenzy or +16% urge to kill

[latent moon]

Take cp so there's less enemies but they're more tanky lmao

[high island]

Urge to Kill.

[latent moon]

Beo overkills anyways

Def a good trade trust

Np

[rustic vale]

It was sub11

[high island]

Within expectations. Not bad.

Sometimes you just don't get the build and boons.

.....lmao

build and rooms*

10 a.m. I should get some sleep.

[rustic vale]

4:02am, I should get some sleep

[high island]

Sleep not found.

Probably not.

[latent moon]

Beo can handle heroes well tho

[rustic vale]

With +274% dmg cshot it was not within my expectations

[high island]

But can @brisk trail.

[latent moon]

Idk probably

I think I took hourglass at 50

Yeah

[high island]

Just take Acorn now for comfy EM3.

Or Lucky Tooth now, Acorn later.

[rustic vale]

Take mom pom

[latent moon]

True

[high island]

Owl Pendant for Divine Dash and the Pom Blossom in Styx to try to get it close to Lv.50.

Do all the tunnels, too.

[rustic vale]

And get sub4

[tall trench]

Serrated edge interrupting an achilles cast build has been alright actually. So far I haven't really had to make any tough calls between stacking cast or dash attack damage, and I'm able to sit at 2 bloodstones no worries because it's just special, cast x2, dash attack x2. I'm only at 8 heat with the spear but its fun at least

[carmine wraith]

Is Artemis special not allowed with vicious skewer?

4 Artemis boons and no special..

[tall trench]

I've never heard of a hammer locking you out of a primary slot boon, I wish I could say definitively but that sounds like rng being rng, sucks

If you have something in your special slot already its far less likely to appear but I assume you know that already

[carmine wraith]

Yeah I have no attack or special boons yet and I'm almost at minotaur lmao

oh

was trying for heart rend but sucks to be me I guess

[tall trench]

Yeah I hate those runs there's times when I just can't even get my starting attack too

Level sisyphus keepsake? lol

[carmine wraith]

Dang well I finally got deadly flourish

Wondering if I take this random duo though for prophecy

[tall trench]

I pretty much always take prophecized duos unless there's something else I really need on offer... One time I sold parting shot 3 times during one run, had more obols than I knew what do do with

[carmine wraith]

I'll probably just do that yeah

[regal inlet]

Yo, guess who played hades all night and finally beat the game

I’ve been playing since 9PM and I don’t plan on stopping

[tall trench]

Nice congrats!

[regal inlet]

Thanks!

This is absolutely my favorite game. And I only have one complaint. They should’ve had a side co-op mode where somebody plays as zagreus and somebody else plays as Thanatos

[tall trench]

I dunno maybe the 2 in Hades 2 stands for the number of players

[regal inlet]

In the FAQ they said it’s gonna be single only

They better bring Hypnos back in hades 2 with a romance option.

[carmine wraith]

yeah this run is so scuffed lmfao jfc

I don't think I've ever had a drier run

0 DD after minotaur

[tall trench]

Patroclus don't abandon us now

[regal inlet]

I’m planning on 100%ing this game tbh.

Seems like fun, hard part is getting enough nectar to max people out

I have more ambrosia that nectar, how

[tall trench]

Nectar is my bottleneck right now too, that and figuring out why certain people have stopped accepting it

[regal inlet]

You have to do certain things or whatever

[tall trench]

Yeah I just don't know the specifics of each thing and all the whatevers

[regal inlet]

On the codex they have a little locked heart thingy

[tall trench]

Also apparently learning the lyre requires you to do some runs in between?

I plucked that thing for so long, never heard a difference, just tried it again after a few runs and apparently I can bust out solos now

[regal inlet]

There’s a guide on the steam community by Actius

Which I plan on using for my 100%

[tall trench]

Nice, I'm just letting it happen for now since I'll be busy getting each weapon as high on heat as I can stomach, I'll look up whoever is still being difficult once I'm sick of just doing runs

[regal inlet]

Like how am I supposed to know the favor for Hermes is talking to him with his keepsake at 3 stars

[tall trench]

The thirst has chosen the bow yes, it is time once more for zag bow shenaniganery

[regal inlet]

Hades II Good shade romance option when?

[tall trench]

Lol I had no idea either, I never use his outside of getting it checked off for the prophecy

If Hades 2 is played from the perspective of Theseus then we'd have more supportive shades by far