okay, lesson learned, tartatus charon is not a good idea
#h1-discussion
silent willow
me when every single hit taken burns a DD 
almost got him though
he isn't hard to dodge, I'm just not used to the oar swing yet, it has that delay inbetween swings
high island
It does nothing. 
heavy mulch
So i played a ton of Hades on xbox gamepass
Now its gone, and i get to do it all over again
warm shoal
how many gods do you need to fully bond with to achieve final ending
warm shoal
is there any keepsakes that help you fish
silent willow
I don't think so
hey yall does attack speed affect the tick rate of luci's beam?
I'm offered it as a hermes boon rn and not sure whether to take
then again, I guess it wouldn't be in the pool if it did absolutely nothing
aaand heat 5 done c:
carmine cloak
I need to rest my arm. This game is doing things to my arm. 
tired karma
I dig arthur on high heat now
it's fun
modest frost
silent willow
okay, I think that maybe I shouldn't use lv1 guan yu
north shell
oops, lost a DD to lernie cause I forgot the -70% hp from guan yu
why are you
using
level 1 guan yu
that's just
masochistic
silent willow
want the prophecy, don't want to spend blood on guan yu. 
tired karma
u can take cerberus keepsake and thick skin + no heat for lvl 1 guan yu
tired karma
u can still turn it down lol
gentle flower
true
tired karma
u will just not get the special rewards
gentle flower
ye
gentle flower
u can take cerberus keepsake and thick skin + no heat for lvl 1 guan yu
i did this and got to dad but he killed me sobad
i got the fated prophecy done though
tired karma
yeah u just need to get to him
not even win
silent willow
I'm gonna go with heat anyway, but yeah I might take thick skin for once
tired karma
the unseen one track hits nice
copper shoal
hey guys
what if they make another hades games but instead of greek mythology it should be replaced with norse mythology
gentle flower
they could honestly do that with any mythology
thorny mirage
okay, I think that maybe I shouldn't use lv1 guan yu
What’s wrong with lvl 1 guan yu
polar root
I forgot how broken smoldering air is
thorny mirage
Just don’t get hit
silent willow
Just don’t get hit
that almost worked!
thorny mirage
ysee
tired karma
thorny mirage
it just works
tired karma
lol
1 health left again
polar root
wow.
thorny mirage
One minute left in tart?
polar root
You really dont like alecto huh
gentle flower
yet 200 max hp
tired karma
I think they all start in same room
tisiphone just teleports and you end up in some other place by the time u finish the fight
grave sage
I think they all start in same room
tisiphone just teleports and you end up in s...
The room is colored differently
thorny mirage
I think they all start in same room
tisiphone just teleports and you end up in s...
They don’t!
if it was tis you’d end up at that skinny room
Meg has like purple
And alecto has green!
tired karma
They don’t!
good to know
never noticed
brazen matrix
Which attacks are good with the gun? (Aspect of Hestia or Lucifer)
hollow thunder
What's the viability of using Priveleged Status, then getting Aphrodite and Dionysus boons to get the double status DPS boost as quickly as possible?
brazen aspen
my biggest pet peeve is tidal dash procing hunter's mark before my empowered hestia shot does T_T
gentle flower
what’s procing
brazen aspen
activating
gentle flower
ok
cyan jolt
Damn I got merciful end in room 7
bronze forge
polar basalt
I am now 2/2 for aphrodite hera bow, I went from not being able to beat hades once to getting back to back clears with the same build
so yeah this is my favorite build I think
gray apex
Nice
brisk trail
Hmm, what to take? Zagfists, going for high dodge%, dio attack, ares special
Leaning Long Knuckle, but the thing I find strange about Long Knuckle is that you still want to be close enough to land your special
So most of the time it's not that important?
brazen aspen
coins
marble mesa
cant do Hero's Sacrifice, what do I do?
brazen aspen
i don't think dem is very good on hesty
oh go for it then, but dem god pool kinda sucks
i like pos aphro arty dio god pool on hesty
but dio is optional
smair enjoyer
yeah, the last one is pretty whatever
brisk trail
https://prnt.sc/SUsKjaoykAO-
so no reccommendation on this? :c
brazen aspen
so no reccommendation on this? :c
long knuckle but i don't play fists 
i'm a range enjoyer
brisk trail
Okay, I'll roll longknuckle
yeah take dem
I feel like on fists, most of the hammers that modify your specials are detriments
Kinetic Launcher being the one exception
Maybe draining cutter
tired karma
2 others are useless
long is the only viable one
raw herald
Exploding upper is good
brisk trail
Oh true
raw herald
Post da build
brisk trail
yeah we need to see your boons
brisk trail
Did you already use your aphro keepsake?
brazen aspen
mark my beloved
brisk trail
Heart rend is good, but I think it would be more advantageous to approach it from the Aphro angle
Because aphro has better weak-secondaries than artemis has crit-secondaries
raw herald
Heart rend kinda sucks on hesty
brisk trail
Sweet surrender but also the one that makes the enemies do even less damage
brazen aspen
hunter's mark goes crazy in elysium
raw herald
Especially with aphro attack no clockets
brisk trail
Hunter's mark is the one good aphro crit buff
And it doesn't work very well on bosses
brazen aspen
it works well against theseus and asterius
brisk trail
Sweet surrender but also the one that makes the enemies do even less damage
Also let's not forget Aphro legendary
That's REALLY good in elysium
and helps interrupt on Hades
So in other words, I see more value in targeting Aphro at this point than Arte
Then why is it the one I see constantly
brazen aspen
how much heat are you at? bc the boons you have rn are bascially all you need, everything else is just bonus
brisk trail
Literally after this run I'll pull up my boon history
You'll see I have more aphro leg picks than any other legendary
deadass
brazen aspen
well you have teh core part of your build, unlucky dem is in the pool, otherwise athena would have been a good pick
brisk trail
Maybe it's just because I like aphro so much to begin with idk
brazen aspen
take acorn into elysium i think
raw herald
Yes
brisk trail
yes
Does this mean you didn't go rose?
Oh, alright, your playthrough.
Now just take acorn for elys and styx, no more keepsake choices xD
yeah so no RD? unless you find him in a shop right?
Yeah it's one of those things to look out for but def not rely on lol
Bc even if you do get styx hermes, no garauntee on RD
raw herald
Yes take it
brisk trail
Yeah, your crits are better or you get a chance to get 400 gold, can't go wrong
Not using speedrun mod ig?
raw herald
Shoals
brisk trail
Understandable and respectable. For me it's 49/49 steam (so close!).
mark imo
wait what level is your dash
If it's 1, pom the tidal dash no question
raw herald
Splash
brisk trail
You dash a fair amount anyway though, you're leaving more dps on the table
Oh so when HE says it
Okay, so I guess there's no point in myself giving advice?
Guess I'll "let the pros talk"
raw herald
Idk
gray apex
Real gamer
gray apex
Maimed strike it is
brisk trail
It's not that I need validation inherently, it's just that when you ask for advice in a public channel and then I'm told, as a member of that channel, that my advice is of no consequence, it's less effort on me but surely serves to discredit the hours I've dumped into understanding this meta as well.
Idk, maybe thats just a fancy way of saying I feel like I need validation
Why else do I upload to #h1-victory-boasting
I just wish that social element was more heavily considered. It came across awful dismissive, you know.
Maybe something like "You're valid, but I'm looking for advice from a few specific individuals right now" would have been a nice way to sugar coat it
Because Discord is still a social medium and you are still going to have to interact with these people repeatedly over time
So rapport should be a thing, no?
I mean, I just think we need a little more kindness in the world, and if you want to contribute to that, be that, I guess.
I guess just, be sensitive, be nice. People have feelings, and you have no idea what kind of factors are at play.
tall trench
I've never noticed a flash while fishing, not that I've been looking
vital spade
Luv how hades added in random animal crossing mechanic lol
tired karma
roll like a real man
raw herald
What’s the 3 Pom options
Oh
Is this a restart
Special
150% flourish is good, there are many solid attack boons you can take
ionic minnow
https://tenor.com/view/compassion-level-up-serious-face-indeed-sad-eyes-gif-1234...
Subhumans with no empathy are everywhere online, and it's because of the cultural conditions they were raised in. You're VERY VERY mistaken in thinking compassion is universal; different countries and even different families don't value it nearly as much as you
ionic minnow
Can we move on
You can shut up. You're just as bad as aspect.
vital spade
Is it me or dio boons r trash
raw herald
I’d just take the billowing
ionic minnow
That said, yes, we can and should move on. You'll win by succeeding on your own and not seeking validation from people who are so insecure that they're desperate for their own validation.
alpine thicket
Is it me or dio boons r trash
u take that back
vital spade
Aphrodite call goated
raw herald
13
brisk trail
Subhumans with no empathy are everywhere online, and it's because of the cultura...
Not gonna lie this comes across slightly xenophobic but I know what you mean
It's whatever. Just saturday morning.
alpine thicket
I like dio's health related boons
ionic minnow
Not gonna lie this comes across slightly xenophobic but I know what you mean
Mfw I'm the one person supporting your message and get called xenophobic
alpine thicket
triple?
raw herald
Explosive
alpine thicket
I think
brisk trail
triple?
Don't bother, aspect only listens to those with 50 heat+ or sub-6
Your advice is NOT factored in here
alpine thicket
Your advice is NOT factored in here
KGKEGJ
vital spade
Dionysussy boons
alpine thicket
aphro
brisk trail
aphro
Again, he's not listening to you, but keep talking to a wall I guess
He's made it very clear up here that he's only looking for advice in this channel from those with a specific metric of play
brisk trail
oh you mean like I suggested
brisk trail
TBH yall can really do this DMs I'm just saying
It doesn't look like anyone else here with 50 heat and sub-6 times are helping you
If anything, you're just spamming
brisk trail
Nothing wrong with helping aspect, Just saying yall can do it in DMs
It's rather inconsiderate to do it here and clog up the channel when it's not actually a conversation that 99% of us are invited to
tall trench
as a newer player its helpful for me to read and see what people recommend, just saying, main reason I'm here
north shell
i'm doing hunting blades achilles, do i take epic pressure points or roll for arty strike?
brisk trail
as a newer player its helpful for me to read and see what people recommend, just...
And that's fine because that's the intended point of the channel, but not when the advice can only come from less than 1% of the users
alpine thicket
i'm doing hunting blades achilles, do i take epic pressure points or roll for ar...
B) ur call
brisk trail
i'm doing hunting blades achilles, do i take epic pressure points or roll for ar...
Epic pressure points I'd say
alpine thicket
honestly id save it
alpine thicket
Epic pressure points I'd say
yeah
brisk trail
It's rare you get an epic, and pressure points is a solid boon
Can always find arty attack later if that's what you really want
brisk trail
yeah exactly
alpine thicket
I think if shes in your god pool dont bother with the keepsake either
brisk trail
I think if shes in your god pool dont bother with the keepsake either
Sometimes the keepsake is nice anyway actually
Gives higher rarity and gives it earlier in the level
Also you don't know if you're going to get scammed by RNG and not get it until late
alpine thicket
Gives higher rarity and gives it earlier in the level
eh i guess
north shell
I think if shes in your god pool dont bother with the keepsake either
i mean i don't really need anything else
- i needa get hunting blades asap so getting early arty strike is good
alpine thicket
i mean i don't really need anything else
+ i needa get hunting blades asap so g...
fair enough
brisk trail
And yet, only one person in the whole channel was helping you. Something you can do in DMs
north shell
Also you don't know if you're going to get scammed by RNG and not get it until l...
exactly my point
brisk trail
Meanwhile, it's less than 1% in the ACTUAL DISCORD
Yes yes say active all you want, but it's still an extremely minor percent of the population that even talks here daily
Also, I have more progress than most of the playerbase, keep that in mind
Steam achievements objectively show that
There's a reason I'm active here- it's because I play the game a lot
It still makes me better than the majority of the playerbase who hasn't even gotten like 50 hades kills lol
I'm very very into the theory and balancing and meta of this game, currently.
alpine thicket
plume to 20% is feasible for anyone tbh
brisk trail
Then why are you asking in a general chat for advice when you'll only accept advice from a very very very small group of people
brisk trail
plume to 20% is feasible for anyone tbh
yeah, it's a wonder that most people don't ever do it according to steam
TBH the 30% hitless thanatos butterfly achievement was harder for me, but even then it wasn't that hard
alpine thicket
:V
brisk trail
But most people don't actually manage it
alpine thicket
HEY the game is basically the dark souls of roguelikes /s
brisk trail
Yes, and only 16% of that 50% (8% total) play enough to get the epilogue I got
Or something like this, which fewer people get than the epilogue. 15 hitless rooms
2 of those hitless rooms were actually endrooms in Styx for me xD
rich horizon
Yes, and only 16% of that 50% (8% total) play enough to get the epilogue I got
wait that implies there's different epilogues what please explain
brisk trail
wait that implies there's different epilogues what please explain
No it doesn't imply that, but I can see where your confusion comes from the ambiguous language
There's only one epilogue, and only 16% of the 50% (8% total) get it
and I got that epilogue
brisk trail
I can name every boon (incl. legendaries and duos) and its effect off the top of my head
I also constantly have this document pulled up so I can exploit it https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit
This game is a numbers thing for me
rich horizon
quitting isn't gonna change the purging pool I don't think :/ you'd need to do smth to change your rng
brisk trail
It's not about fun most of the time, it's about pressing out the most performance and DPS and survivability possible
alpine thicket
2 of those hitless rooms were actually endrooms in Styx for me xD
I mean its certainly doable in the miniboss room and you use meg to remove their armour
brisk trail
And so I've worked very hard to optimize these runs
brisk trail
I mean its certainly doable in the miniboss room and you use meg to remove their...
Yeah, meg is a huge help, it's a shame that most people don't even unlock their first cthonic companion
Less than half the people who beat hades ever get battie or anyone
alpine thicket
I wouldnt take the percentages of achievments that greatly tbh
craggy barn
I also constantly have this document pulled up so I can exploit it https://docs....
beowulf mirage shot 🥰
brisk trail
I wouldnt take the percentages of achievments that greatly tbh
Why? They're the most objective measure of playerbase completion available to us
Yes, there's a margin of deflation for people who never play the game, but when you see that 50% of people have killed Hades at least once, you can kinda start basing things off that a little
we can take the first 50% as just people who the game was too hard for, they never beat it once
So at that point most of your margin is cut away
alpine thicket
we can take the first 50% as just people who the game was too hard for, they nev...
i mean thats assuming it was the difficulty that was the reason they stopped playing
brisk trail
And you get people who are at least semi-serious about progressing the game
brisk trail
i mean thats assuming it was the difficulty that was the reason they stopped pla...
Sure sure, it's also not some people's cup of tea
rich horizon
it'd be so cool to be able to filter people who have less than like 20 hours out, so we've only got folks who actually played
brisk trail
But once you've killed Hades once, I mean, you're kind of in the game? If that makes sense?
brisk trail
it'd be so cool to be able to filter people who have less than like 20 hours out...
It would, so we wouldn't have to use the hades kill achievement as a metric
Well for one, I appreciate your acknowledging that my advice is good for something
alpine thicket
But once you've killed Hades once, I mean, you're kind of in the game? If that m...
I guess because technically that means if u just do that 9 more times you complete the game
excluding the epilogue
craggy barn
i remember when i was actually speedrunning this game and i couldn't name more than 3 of demeter's boons because i never take her outside of snow burst 😭
alpine thicket
i remember when i was actually speedrunning this game and i couldn't name more t...
PLS
brisk trail
Well for one, I appreciate your acknowledging that my advice is good for *someth...
And considering most players are doing 1-16 heat, this actually means my advice is suitable for most players
Which is great
north shell
i remember when i was actually speedrunning this game and i couldn't name more t...
i only know snow burst and rare crop
and demeter aid ig
craggy barn
300 hours be like "what is a ravenous will"
north shell
oh that too
alpine thicket
I use demeter to proc privileged status with her dash sometimes
brisk trail
That said, does the meta change at 32 heat that much? Good boons are still proportionally that good, but it's true that some combinations that "worked" before won't "Work" now. Those are the less powerful ones
So like, stuff like Clockets, ME, Divine/Splashdash, RD builds, etc. is still going to work, and it may be some of the ONLY things that work at very high heat
Meanwhile stuff like Chiron builds become not a thing
rich horizon
what's clockets?
brisk trail
what's clockets?
Cluster bombs + Rockets on any rail aspect but especially Eris is GG
rich horizon
and also whats RD?
brisk trail
Clockets = Epic shotgun that does 1000+ damage per go
brisk trail
and also whats RD?
RD is rushed delivery - it's really good with Hyper Sprint and any speed buffs
rich horizon
thank you!
rich horizon
Meanwhile stuff like Chiron builds become not a thing
there goes my dream of beating 32 heat with the only bow aspect I use /j
alpine thicket
what's clockets?
its incredibly you essentially fire 5 rockets
craggy barn
from my experience, any regular build in casual no-heat runs still work in 32 heat
considering i have an 8:30 igt time on 32 heat
alpine thicket
there goes my dream of beating 32 heat with the only bow aspect I use /j
hera my beloved
brisk trail
That said, does the meta change at 32 heat *that much*? Good boons are still pro...
Anyway, my point here is, no, admittedly I haven't experienced it myself yet (though I also have no reason to think I can't do it- the most heat I've ever even TRIED was 16 (well, that's a lie, I tried 57 heat twice, but ignore those) and I got it first try that time), I still know what's good
rich horizon
I haven't even leveled hera 👍👍👍👍
alpine thicket
im just playing the game for the fishing
brisk trail
Knowing what's good is the main part of how I engage with this game
I'm a huge numbers nerd
gray apex
Anything works at 32
brisk trail
Chiron falls off heavy at around 45 heat though
gray apex
Most things work until ~50
rich horizon
im just playing the game for the fishing
you wish there were some deeper waters you could fish in, judging by your name /j
brisk trail
Guan-yu dash only? What?
rich horizon
you wish there were some deeper waters you could fish in, judging by your name /...
oh wait I forgot what that word means, you want bigger fish, sorry lol
craggy barn
meanwhile the only spear aspect i've done 40 heat on is guan yu 
brisk trail
meanwhile the only spear aspect i've done 40 heat on is guan yu <:dusa:522248771...
Oh guan yu in general is great for heat
But guan yu dash only.. no
alpine thicket
you wish there were some deeper waters you could fish in, judging by your name /...
oh I like you
brisk trail
Isn't heat record on GY? Or am I mistaken
rich horizon
oh I like you
I love a good pun
craggy barn
dash only is easy just use splash dash
raw herald
considering i have an 8:30 igt time on 32 heat
Oh welcome back
alpine thicket
I dont like guan yu at all
raw herald
How times have changed from 8:30 32 heat wr
craggy barn
Oh welcome back
i haven't actually gotten back into hades 😭
rich horizon
I dont like guan yu at all
gy is terrifying, I had to turn the heat down to 0 to get the fated list 😭
brisk trail
What's crazier, a fresh file speedrun or a 60 heat speedrun 
craggy barn
What's crazier, a fresh file speedrun or a 60 heat speedrun <:thinkBaguette:6442...
60 heat
strong ridge
60
strong ridge
ff just needs a seed
brisk trail
Okay, that makes sense, I just was thinking, so so so many things are not available in FF
Including most gods and all hammers
brisk trail
It's hammerless, mirrorless, etc.
strong ridge
basically
brisk trail
and with zagsword
alpine thicket
gy is terrifying, I had to turn the heat down to 0 to get the fated list 😭
HAVENT REACHED THE SURFACE YET WITH IT D:
tbf I havent used varatha in a while
brisk trail
ye, zag0, thats what i meant
rich horizon
tbf I havent used varatha in a while
Achilles is up there w my fav aspects
craggy barn
i've just been playing rhythm games 🤓💬 last time i touched hades was like a month ago
rich horizon
I despise the spin with my whole heart, I don't like standing in one place
strong ridge
I despise the spin with my whole heart, I don't like standing in one place
then dont spin
brisk trail
Achilles is a castspect, convince me otherwise 
rich horizon
not spinning is why I use Achilles hajfjsjg
craggy barn
"guan yu bad" people when i show them charged skewer + aphro special
rich horizon
guan yu good it just doesn't fit w my playstyle lol
craggy barn
skill issue..........................
brisk trail
Weirdly, my fastest clear is on spear.
strong ridge
you can make guan yu work better than you might think at first but that doesnt make it good
brisk trail
I think I like spear more than most of the playerbase, but my highest heat is still on zeus shield (to be fair, I still should really attempt higher heat in serious capacity, I've just been too busy with achievements)
rich horizon
me w fists and Beowulf or maybe Gilgamesh idr what the hidden shield is
brisk trail
I can't exactly attempt high heat while levelling bad keepsakes
craggy barn
BBEOWULF MY BELOVED
tall trench
I did my first run with guan yu on 7 heat earlier and had arty special, but honestly getting charged skewer made a huge difference, went from "doable" to automatic
alpine thicket
frfr
I just pom all my damage resistance boons with the spear and thats how i survive
brisk trail
I imagine I won't struggle too much with 32, but I'll probably start my serious progression struggle a little past that. We'll see though
tired karma
my first escape was with shield of chaos
based aspect
rich horizon
I need to get out of bed and prep for a new years party, have fun and happy almost new year y'all! enjoy patricide simulator
brisk trail
32 isn't when people take SD right? That's not until LC is maxed out after the fact?
Heat guide puts LC4 at 22 heat but idk about that
strong ridge
i mean lots of 32 do lc for freeheat
tired karma
EM4+FO2 is free heat
brisk trail
I would do LC but not LC4
alpine thicket
EM4+FO2 is free heat
I need to mess around EM my next run
strong ridge
if you intend pushing past 32 lc4 will be a bandage you should pull off sooner than later
brazen aspen
EM4 is not free heat lol
brisk trail
EM4+FO2 is free heat
People don't take EM4 until over 50 heat
FO2 though is something you should learn early
I hate that the heat guide makes people wait so long for FO2
tired karma
I need to mess around EM my next run
it's fun, recommend
ionic minnow
Hot take: You shouldn't take TD at all at 57 heat
strong ridge
fo2 is fs a difficulty spike but its big heat value and eventually it just feels normal barring bp bs
ionic minnow
Game being so hard means rooms take long, and you're better off playing defensively and at distance, burning time
Easier to be scaredycat
gray apex
HL5 is easier than FO2
raw herald
Which is very hard to do with 1 dash, no death defiances and no build
strong ridge
kite2win
gray apex
Yet most people want the latter for some reason
raw herald
Maybe because most people start speedrunning before heat so are used to FO2 sooner
ionic minnow
I hate that you can't stand on top of his lasers in EM4
On top of him during lasers*
strong ridge
HL5 is easier than FO2
i agre
gray apex
Maybe because most people start speedrunning before heat so are used to FO2 soon...
im ngl ive yet to see one
alpine thicket
any tips on getting gemstones?
brisk trail
any tips on getting gemstones?
Dark thirst contractor upgrade to make it so it also gives gemstones, and also contractor upgrade for bosses dropping gemstones
alpine thicket
Dark thirst contractor upgrade to make it so it also gives gemstones, and also c...
oh i guess ive already done those
strong ridge
aid
brisk trail
any tips on getting gemstones?
Also if your SOLE intention is to farm gemstones, reroll chaos and posiedon until you get their +X% to darkness/gems (pos's also increases coin I think)
raw herald
Maybe it does idk
gray apex
nope
raw herald
But it’s really the best option to sell here
strong ridge
either way cant use low toler with no aid
raw herald
You have patty it’s an easy gg
strong ridge
sd always gets 60% of a full bar
raw herald
Oh yeah sack
brisk trail
oh yeah, patty big on Hades
raw herald
lol
craggy barn
i still find it hilarious that my gy 40heat run got 5-sacked and vermin'd but still won
strong ridge
and the 60% being divided by 2 bars allows you to rollover big damages when you have like 5 health left
brisk trail
EM4 should have made it so your well of charon and patroclus buff items disintegrate at the start of Hades 
brazen aspen
always pom unless you have less coin than the cost of a boon
brisk trail
def ignore titans blood XD
strong ridge
more
raw herald
You could get dashes from Hermes
strong ridge
dio pom dio pom dio pom
ionic minnow
Isn't greatest reflex the best boon in the game??
strong ridge
rd
brazen aspen
theres no universal best, depends on aspect and build
strong ridge
rd
brazen aspen
hunters mark in elysium 😻
raw herald
Idk man
ionic minnow
How do yall hitless butterfly balls on sword?
strong ridge
i dont
craggy barn
kill them really fast
strong ridge
pomz
craggy barn
dash it to death with your lvl40 heroic divine dash
raw herald
101 damage
strong ridge
tripy shoot
brisk trail
If, in a parallel universe, you were asking me, go with Aphro heart if you havent yet
raw herald
Buy Hermes smh
brisk trail
They've already pommed dash once, but another wont hurt
Especially if its a double pom
IK your main damage isnt tidal dash but it do be clutch
strong ridge
i mean lv5 dio aid is going to clear anyway
brisk trail
Don't want to take anything for granted at 32 heat
strong ridge
it will clear
craggy barn
i assume splashdash is a pretty big damage contributor here
raw herald
Buy da herme
craggy barn
unless they're not playing aggresive
craggy barn
Buy da herme
epic greatest reflex 🥰
brisk trail
Do you already have broken resolve?
strong ridge
health is you only need one of them
craggy barn
did i have rare greatest reflex in my 7:12 eris run
strong ridge
idk
brisk trail
...potentially you? But sweet surrender is also decent.
raw herald
my pb also has rare greatest reflex
brisk trail
And for 150 coin do you not want that
strong ridge
every time i see bronze skin as like a boon or a concept i wonder why sgg added it everytime
raw herald
Bronze skin is a Pom sponge
strong ridge
deal!
raw herald
craggy barn
which boon has the worst pom scaling in the entire game
strong ridge
the bron skin
raw herald
Icy flare maybe
brisk trail
Can someone tell me how pressure points pom scaling works? That's something I've been curious on
raw herald
+1 forever
strong ridge
its just 1% every time
craggy barn
pressure points i believe has no diminishing returns
1% per pom is already really low to begin with
strong ridge
why are there like 3 boons that only work if you get them purple
brisk trail
yeah
i see
oh god pomming ddash 
the ultimate meme
It's funny how the pom value of the 2 best dashes in the game are polar opposite
raw herald
Hyper sprint rarity (pro)
brisk trail
Tidal dash = FAT POMS, Divine dash = oh god dont pom this
raw herald
121 damage?
strong ridge
phalnx dash
raw herald
Does it level out to +2 each Pom?
brisk trail
brisk trail
I can't believe you actually did it
strong ridge
190 !
brisk trail
I thought your name was a joke
I know but like, I never knew your name was based on true facts xD
and not just memes
strong ridge
at least
brisk trail
shackle moment
raw herald
If my only speedrun ever was the one I did in the bigp derby, I’d agree with you
brazen aspen
pressure points best boon
rustic vale
pressure points best boon
No
raw herald
True
Would you rather: level 97 pressure points or hyper sprint + epic rush delivery + 3 ichors
brisk trail
https://prnt.sc/1KQzNFvtWn_9 Just suppose you're on EM3, Middle Management (but MM doesn't matter for Asterius thankfully) as part of 16 heat. Behind one door, you know there's a trial of the gods. Behind the other, there could be EM3 Asterius, or a MM Butterfly ball. What do you choose?
raw herald
What’s your keepsake
rustic vale
Would you rather: level 97 pressure points or hyper sprint + epic rush delivery ...
Ones a 200% multiplicative increase to damage
The other is a +246% increase additive
raw herald
There are so many variables I’d think about
Is there a Zeus boon you’d want which requires a high rarity
Do you want a Zeus duo/legendary
alpine thicket
https://prnt.sc/1KQzNFvtWn_9 Just suppose you're on EM3, Middle Management (but ...
the trial of gods probably
north shell
vicious cycle or black metal on hunting blades achilles?
brisk trail
- I have a decent build, but not on a great weapon. Dio fists, doom special with appropriate boons. 2. Plenty of Batties. 3. No, I have no need for a Zeus duo/legendary.
north shell
black metal is common btw
rustic vale
vicious cycle or black metal on hunting blades achilles?
+1 per hit isn’t much but ehh
brisk trail
Oh, 4. My Keespake is.... charon.
alpine thicket
I think u should fish
north shell
+1 per hit isn’t much but ehh
it's 2
is it really worth over +20% rift aoe?
rustic vale
it's 2
is it really worth over +20% rift aoe?
It’s +1 (it’s bugged)
north shell
oh
brisk trail
Guessing we're leaning Trial of the Gods?
brazen aspen
pressure points best boon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/753360819479380171/1058812031668592691/2022-12-31_12-37-09-2.mp4
missed meg summon? no problem.
north shell
ig i'm doing black metal
rustic vale
Really whichever you want
brisk trail
Fair
rustic vale
Honestly given you have achilles boost it’s probably decent enough to take vicious cycle
tired karma
brisk trail
Even though hades will never want to stay in the fog
tired karma
or it's a bad photoshop work
rustic vale
or it's a bad photoshop work
It’s not
brisk trail
I wish the double strike bug worked on thunder dash
I feel like DS isn't as worth taking when it does its actual % on dash
tired karma
did u finish ur 32 run btw
I stopped following
latent moon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1058812444694294559/a...
The maxed save file on src does this
tired karma
what is src
craggy barn
latent moon
craggy barn
FIRST
ionic minnow
Rank from A to D tier where is Vengeful Mood
latent moon
I mean
If I see it I'll pick it up
Won't ever prioritize it
Revenge boons kinda good
Also coins yea
tired karma
and wdym maxed save file
I still have new dialogues and side stories after 148 hours
this game feels like it lasts forever, lol (and that's a good thing)
high island
Evasion is gud.
brazen aspen
get lucky :D
brisk trail
law of large numbers usually works in favor of evasion being relatively consistent
latent moon
I would've taken evasion lol
high island
Nothing wrong with helping aspect, Just saying yall can do it in DMs
If people only want high heat advice, we have #h1-high-heat-strategies for that. 
vital spade
latent moon
Now do 40
It's just inconvenient lmao
End cutscenes can be turned off with the mod
But if you're doing rta you need to turn them back on
ME is possible
iirc i did heart rend
if you're expecting to smash your face on nem 32 for a while i'd do heart rend
because at least that's easier to get going
heart rend or deadly reversal works
gray apex
It's riskier to play tho
gray apex
It's up to you but the safer option is to start Aphro attack and force Athena in Asphodel for Special
If you get a nat Athena force Zeus for Smoldering Air
latent moon
that makes a lot of sense
gray apex
Heartrend is not all that great
latent moon
more crit chance funky
gray apex
With what I mentioned if you get nat Arty take Dash > Cast then that opens up heartrend off of your attack alone
and dr
gray apex
super
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/1058818799014514778/Discord_hQ8RDxYTDP.png peak nem combo
highly recommend
It's tart just take it
You have a bad hammer anyway
I'd take the Athena first probably
Hope for Special
You do want non common Aphro attack so pushing it further might luck you into an Aphro miniboss
Not worth pomming it generally
ionic minnow
https://prnt.sc/tYSojza8hqDg My brain is being trash again, what do?
First possible hammer in Tart
gray apex
Yea sounds good, if you get like 2 solid gods you'll have alot of things you wanna buy so it's good to have coins
Is this Cf2?
ionic minnow
Is this Cf2?
nah this is like 1 heat, TD
See I know dash nova is bad
But between super nova and greater cons its like
wait really?
gray apex
Yea gold is pretty nice then
ionic minnow
oh ok
It all comes down to "is greater cons worth anything"
its casual play so I guess I'll be tanking damage
ALSO this isnt FO2 but greater cons seems really good on FO2 for the slow
brisk trail
https://prnt.sc/tYSojza8hqDg My brain is being trash again, what do?
Greater cons imo
alpine thicket
its cool that arthurs holy ground disables traps
brisk trail
Super nova isnt as good on something where you arent using your special very much
Super nova is good on like, Nemesis
but not really Arthur
ionic minnow
Smair this, smair that, how about you smair yourself a hades keepsake
old dawn
i would prob go for greater cons here
old dawn
ME arthur isnt like bad
gray apex
Sure
old dawn
it's fun
ionic minnow
IDK, Arthur attack seems like such a slow application for Mass Effect Merciful End
what else would you apply doom with
old dawn
generally speaking yea only atk, special is even slower
the takeaway is aim your atks while ddashing to proc ME basically
i tried reverse ME arthur a couple times and almost had a couple 32 clears that way lol
maybe because i was goofing off
ionic minnow
noted
I use meg to delete doomstone
Accidentally running infernal soul when I meant to pick up Stygian 😢
latent moon
lmao i tried MiKe's build but didn't get deadly reversal
but i did get heart rend and rd
styx rd tho
brisk trail
Today I learned that Tisiphone can stunlock you
latent moon
yeah she has a stun ability lmao
brisk trail
Is that what did "2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2" damage repeatedly while I couldn't move?
i thought it was bad positoning on her volley?
The thing that PL takes away procced
latent moon
i would assume bad positioning when she's dashing at you
subtle sinew
Just had a full deathless run :))
brazen aspen
no midshop yet
brazen aspen
where shackle
TRUE
brisk trail
Whoa, I just noticed something today I didnt know
brazen aspen
i have it 1 star so i didn't bother taking it
i'll have to level it on some normal runs
gray apex
id take pat
brisk trail
IDK if its from greater cons or just regular arthur special but the holy ground slows down projectiles by like 90%
That's not listed anywhere, is it?
gray apex
Altho chaos is solid with the rarity boost
gentle flower
IDK if its from greater cons or just regular arthur special but the holy ground ...
just regular special iirc
latent moon
IDK if its from greater cons or just regular arthur special but the holy ground ...
it is in the description lol
brisk trail
it is in the description lol
guess I can't read x_x
latent moon
greater cons makes it more slow iirc
brisk trail
it is in the description lol
WAIT NO IM NOT CRAZY
latent moon
is it not
brisk trail
It's an arthur ability you just have to notice
But yeah it's a massive massive reduction
makes witch room in asphodel easier
gray apex
no midshop yet
So you can take the Chaos and hope for something nice, the yarn/nectar is gonna help with that but you risk losing midshop if this is a little later in the biome. If you take Pat you nearly guarantee getting a midshop but the attack boost wont last til the end.
brazen aspen
i took pat, got midshop and arty and i took midshop
vital spade
Wait I’m so confused. Hades just gave me a titan blood without fighting?!?!?!?
polar quail
Wait I’m so confused. Hades just gave me a titan blood without fighting?!?!?!?
happens on the 10th escape
gray apex
Usually if you dont have an attack by the end of tart just shackle
vital spade
vital spade
I was looking forward to going 10 for 10 then he just gave up. Sissy 
raw herald
Arty attack should only really be taken if you already have high % bonus from other sources
Since the empowered shot is really good at one shotting everything
brazen aspen
taking arty bc my godpool is full and arty atk is best out of the gods i have
brisk trail
Usually if you dont have an attack by the end of tart just shackle
wait really?
brazen aspen
should i take shackle into dad or get arty atk in styx
vital spade
Who else has died more to the first boss than hades 🙋♀️
gray apex
I'd take Shackle
brazen aspen
even if its only 50%?
gray apex
wait really?
Yes, on Hestia that is
brisk trail
Who else has died more to the first boss than hades 🙋♀️
not me but I have definitely died to EM3 heroes more than non-EM4 hades
vital spade
What’s EM
latent moon
arty atk is like 20% isnt it lmao
brisk trail
Extreme Measures heat
gray apex
even if its only 50%?
Well sure why not, you'll level it for next run
If you get 5 sacked
vital spade
Oh the new techniques. Yeah first boss with new techniques is brutal sometimes
brazen aspen
sure ig
raw herald
arty atk is like 20% isnt it lmao
At common yeah
gray apex
Have you seen the Hestia guide
brazen aspen
nope
gray apex
Should give it a quick read
brazen aspen
you get arty atk for the crit though. actually, you don't get arty atk, you get aphro and then heart rend
brazen aspen
Should give it a quick read
can u link it?
gray apex
can u link it?
brazen aspen
thxx i'll read after dad
latent moon
yeah
north shell
phase 3 hades music
brazen aspen
9:17 !!
latent moon
gamer
north shell
ggs
vital spade
The fire area looks nice. Honestly none of the zones stand out to me in terms of gameplay ;/ hopefully hades 2 will add more meat to the game
latent moon
when sub9
gray apex
Next run
brazen aspen
shackle best boon???
fervent jewel
i like the styx gameplay wise
i think it's generally an area where i just have to blitz everyone and it's fun to just whack a satyr not giving it a chanc to use its spit or something
vital spade
The Styx is so boring though. Always in closed spaces and is laughably easy until the last rooms
brisk trail
The Styx is so boring though. Always in closed spaces and is laughably easy unt...
True
fervent jewel
i know but i like being in a position where my enemies are too weak and i can beat them up at my leisure
brisk trail
I find Elysium presses me harder than Styx, partially because my build is already online by Styx or I didn't make it past EM3 heroes
vital spade
I don’t like Elysium it can feel kinda long and annoying to get through and the teal color is meh lol
brisk trail
Wait if you don't like Elysium and you don't like Styx, that just leaves Tart and Aspho
fervent jewel
oh yeah elysium is pretty but i find it hard, especially when the shield guys come in. Theseus and Asterius also tend to pressure me but nowadays i can beat them easier
rustic vale
I don’t like elysium because their erebus gates are hell and I’m taking every single one of them
fervent jewel
but it's still a good challenge
brisk trail
With all due respect do you even like this game
brazen aspen
Hestia can viably handle BP1 if you’ve fallen victim to Benefits Package Propaganda. I’ve fallen victim to it for a short period of time. I was in a dark place. I don’t want to talk about it.
what is the BP cult and do i want to join?
brisk trail
Am I in the BP cult if I always take BP1 but never BP2
rustic vale
“BP1 makes you faster because it makes armoured enemies spawn sooner in the biome” or something like that
vital spade
It’s a pretty good game with amazing presentation and some nice ideas and addicting gameplay but I don’t think it really deserves a 93 on metacritic personally. Hopefully hades 2 really ramps everything up
brisk trail
“BP1 makes you faster because it makes armoured enemies spawn sooner in the biom...
wouldnt that make you slower
rustic vale
No because not having to deal armoured enemies later when the rooms have more waves… I think?
brazen aspen
no, armored enemies take up more "diffulcty pts" or smth so there's less enemies/waves overall
raw herald
Armoured witches in elysium are the best enemies you can have
Sometimes chamber 34 takes like 10 seconds total
snow skiff
Sometimes chamber 34 takes like 10 seconds total
it can take 2
brazen aspen
butterfly miniboss <3
snow skiff
No than room
raw herald
it can take 2
It can take 0
snow skiff
idt mini boss can be the last combat in a biome
raw herald
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/8pAjMd22CKeSvm-THCs5VhXeOC5df27RYoMgA_mFabk/https/i.imgur.com/AlfEbDS.mp4 here’s armoured witches
Bonus clip of me crying at the end
snow skiff
troll'd by extension chaos
raw herald
That looks like just under 10s igt too
latent moon
lmfao rip
high island
Sometimes you sub 1 Styx and dad, sometimes you get 8 tiny rats chambers spawning 1 by 1. 
raw herald
Mood
high island
Dying Lament underrated for speeding up those tiny rat chambers.
raw herald
I just spam 1 stone rushes
And in this run I had 7 casts so I could fire them without thinking
Beo def a better aspect against them tho
Rats on crit nem 
raw herald
Yeah
snow skiff
dying lament is actually so real
rustic vale
Peer pressure definitely goes crazy in styx (it doesn’t)
snow skiff
I didn't even know high tolerance was a boon until like last week tbh
the only dionysus boons that exist r premium vintage and strong drink anyway 😁
raw herald
Peer pressure:::::
snow skiff
ok RestingTerror95
raw herald
True
rustic vale
the only dionysus boons that exist r premium vintage and strong drink anyway 😁
You forgot calculated risk
snow skiff
calculated risk is a downgrade
rustic vale
True
Obviously you want to take damage faster so you can charge call up faster for more dps
That’s why fo2 is so good
raw herald
FO2 is good because it speeds up the barge animation /s
rustic vale
FO2 bad because enemies get to where they were walking sooner so stop walking sooner so rupture does less damage
FO2 good because it means you prok revenge boons more often = more dps
granite kestrel
Got the butterfly achievement 
wasn't hard at all. But did do it on no heat
rustic vale
I hope my sarcasm shines through in text form
brazen aspen
FO2 good because it means you prok revenge boons more often = more dps
/srs /gen
rustic vale
FO2 good because it makes enemies spawn sooner, take damage from jolted sooner via attacking faster, and makes them get to you sooner so you don’t have to travel as far to them
Speedddddd
gentle flower
speed is of the essence
granite kestrel
Why is Hermes hearts all locked up still? Do I need to make his keepsake 3 stars?
gentle flower
- zagreus probably
rustic vale
Why is Hermes hearts all locked up still? Do I need to make his keepsake 3 stars...
Talk to him with 3 star keepsake
iirc
granite kestrel
Ooooh pk
high island
This year somebody commented "self proclaimed 'top player' " on my newbie build guide. Hopefully next year will be better.
rustic vale
Nyaanyaa is the top player
vital spade
How do I make guan yu not suck
rustic vale
How do I make guan yu not suck
Focus on the special
vital spade
The life regen on charge normal isn’t useful?
rustic vale
Grab charged skewer if you see it
Get a lot of +% on special
vital spade
It seems like the default aspect plus charged skewer/exploding launcher would be better tho?
rustic vale
It seems like the default aspect plus charged skewer/exploding launcher would be...
GY has better aoe then exploding launcher and doesn’t rely on getting 2 hammers
you can spin between waves but it’s not a lot of hp regen and also is kinda slow
high island
Nyaanyaa is the top player
Lol I replied "you got me, I got all my WRs by accident" and that person was like "I won't repeat myself." 
brazen matrix
Perfect
high island
I guess they just wanted a newbie guide from Croven or something then lol
Would probably call Croven a "self proclaimed WR holder". 
raw herald
Im not
rustic vale
Would probably call Croven a "self proclaimed WR holder". <:zaglol:7250439318675...
“Hades is a self proclaimed game”
manic kraken
why can I unlock arthur without getting Poseidon lmao
gentle flower
cuz u only need 5 titan blood invested into any aspect in stygius + guan yu (doesnt need to be unlocked iirc)
high island
That's correct, yeah.
manic kraken
well yeah
gentle flower
woo my memory holds up
manic kraken
just funny I got hidden before getting them all
gentle flower
you dont need all of the aspects
manic kraken
I got it on accident I just heard something about a hidden aspect at some point and nyx had the <!>
brazen matrix
Got Ares legendary in Tartarus
Guess that's a first for me
livid pulsar
so theres a chaos gate in this room and a well of charon item to force spawn one next room, but if i get both i'll be guaranteed to get to lernie with 2 chaos curses and a bad build 
choices choices choices
high island
Do it.
livid pulsar
oh yeah +370% damage from traps on em2 lernie that's not a horrible idea at all
high island
It's fine.
livid pulsar
yeah +38% cast damage this is a cast build
high island
Still less than Heightened Security.
livid pulsar
update: i died
granite kestrel
How do you unlock demeters heart?
livid pulsar
dying was actually good rng is way better this run
got the duo i want in tart so i might be able to push for another one
brazen matrix
Which attack should i use for Gilgamesh's aspect?
copper inlet
Damn my contractor still not showing the themes on my shop haha
Just want to get the sonorous theme Sadge
north osprey
beat hades just for the game to tell me sike do it again bucko cause papa hades forgor
And something about a heat meter
latent moon
that's roguelike for you lmao
latent moon
And something about a heat meter
this is basically "hey you beat the game once, let's make it harder for you since you can clearly do it"
north osprey
this is basically "hey you beat the game once, let's make it harder for you sinc...
Yeah i can clearly do it on my 38th run
Welp 100 more runs to go to get all the endings
latent moon
i mean when you beat a run doesn't matter
frank torrent
i'm using guan yu and have aphro special, what other gods and boons should i go for? got forced into ares
latent moon
38 is like below average lmao
north osprey
Yep
latent moon
i'm using guan yu and have aphro special, what other gods and boons should i go ...
artemis for heart rend i think
north osprey
Is that good or
latent moon
38 is good
frank torrent
oh ok, what should I put her boon on?
frank torrent
bought it from shop, got rare attack
north osprey
Like bellow average is it a good thing or do i suck
frank torrent
yep, nyaa's guide said that, just not what boon to put on it
latent moon
Like bellow average is it a good thing or do i suck
below average for amount of runs for first clear
so it's good lmao
north osprey
Oh ok
granite kestrel
i have never been so mad at myself and this game. i so greedy at the hades fight cause my time was so good. and i was on my highest heat yet. lost all 3 death defiances in the fight, and he got me with such a hard hitting move
frank torrent
end area fountain gave me 11 hp
i love guan yu already
what should I take for my 4th god? i have aphro, arty, and ares
latent moon
athena dash so you dont die i guess lmao
gentle flower
^
frank torrent
that is an excellent idea
brazen aspen
hear me out: hazard bomb spearpoint 
frank torrent
ig the upside is that my timer is at 8 minutes and i've escaped aspho making this on par with my actually trying to go fast beo runs
brisk trail
is there anyway to make daedalus hammer more likely to appear
brisk trail
Yeah, if you have dark foresight especially, you kinda have to avoid the hammers to not get 2
high island
yep, nyaa's guide said that, just not what boon to put on it
What's all this then? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/1058870543182479460/Screenshot_2022-12-31-23-12-36-42_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg
gentle flower
L
raw herald
https://imgur.com/a/3aRXy58 speedy combat
hardy spear
skullomat combats tho
why are skullomats worth so much
sometimes theres just three of them and boom, room over
raw herald
its one of the few enemies where there might only be one wave
and thats all through tartarus
double lout exists but only in chamber 2
grizzled fog
so i never did catch a sturgeon and now i can't go to greece, do they spawn in the hades arena?
raw herald
yep!
grizzled fog
ok cool
snow skiff
why are skullomats worth so much
they're not worth that much they're just capped at 4
so if the game decides to only spawn skull mats that's what happens
brisk trail
Zeus shield, thunder special, aphro attack, charon keepsake
Elysium
Leaning smair, considering UF
raw herald
smair
snow skiff
tap for rip current if you don't have it yet
brisk trail
Well of charon shenanigans - combining cyclops jerky select and cyclops jerky normal with extended duration (charon keepsake) on normal with charged shot aphro 
Unfortunately 9 left coming into Styx is... not enough to make it to Hades even with a 2-sack right?
Bc it's 5 and 5?
raw herald
depends
it can either be 3 or 4 then sack/end room
3 is much less likely than 4 tho
brazen aspen
wtf
i got elysium midshop 2nd room
is that possible??
and asterius immediatly after 3rd room..
brazen aspen
wait i did yeah
raw herald
In that case it’s possible
brazen aspen
interesting. unfortuanatly had shop with patro so no time save there
raw herald
No
brisk trail
Gonna use lucifer on a darkness farm run for the sake of using lucifer
What are the hammers I want, again? Triple bomb I know, but what else?
(and im not running supersoaker)