h1-discussion

[livid pulsar]

i'd say that's pretty major

i'd say those are a bit different considering there's only 5 known texts of Mycenaean Greece and one is about Zagreus

it doesn't necessarily mean he played a major role at the time the culture was alive, that's true

but we can only work with the information we have

[latent moon]

I just got 2 chaos, than, and a fountain in aspho but because i took a slothful curse on rama my exit time is still 4:24 lmao pain

[livid pulsar]

we know little about Orphism, from the sources we have a major focus seems to be the rebirth of Dionysus as the god who went to the underworld, considering Hades didn't exist back then that's kinda major for a religion that focuses on the underworld, there are two stories about this rebirth and in one Zagreus is the main character as the previous incarnation of Dionysus

[latent moon]

lmao rip

[errant trout]

wait, is this the story of the prank Dionysus and Zagreus play on Orphy?

awesome

[latent moon]

chaos entry into ely: hell yeah
curses: 2 slothful and 1 halting

this is so terrible

i still have a slothful active from aspho

none of the benefits are even good

[livid pulsar]

what you mean you don't want +20% damage on undamaged foes when playing rail?

[errant trout]

are chaos boons ever really worth it? I always feel like they are fine but I most of the time avoid them. Might be a great mistake on my end, though, I find it really hard to judge

[north shell]

yes

chaos is great

[livid pulsar]

all but 2 or 3 curses are pretty easy and it's a buff with no downsides

[errant trout]

Ah, free room is relevant for speedruns, aye?

[livid pulsar]

take moms keepsake

[latent moon]

how many dds left

[livid pulsar]

mom keepsake good

[latent moon]

also i really got patty vs hammer fountain

i'd take tooth

ely can be rough and acorn wont save you much lmao

[errant trout]

alrighty peeps, I'm going to bed, was nice to chat with you all, guess I'll see you around :) good night/day whatever it is for you 👋

[livid pulsar]

nah be more reckless

trust your potential

[latent moon]

rico is better isn't it

yo 18 seconds heroes fight on rama

leaving ely at 7:00.62 lmao

i forgot i took acorn for a sec so i spammed small shots before remembering

yes

wait

uh

lmao

just get patty

[stone wedge]

why does theseus call your technique trash when you repeatedly beat him up

[north shell]

that's his whole point, having a massive ego

[stone wedge]

then he gets obliterated because he has like two attacks that are easy to dodge

[north shell]

only thing that's annoying is the calls

no it is easy to dodge but sometimes it's annoying

except for arty call

arty call is never annoying

[tropic agate]

True

[north shell]

bouldy my love

[latent moon]

basically shackle tbh

[tropic agate]

I beat the game on my 24th attempt

[latent moon]

gaming

[tropic agate]

I did it within 2 days of getting it

[latent moon]

yes

how much gold do you have

yeah

buy it

[tropic agate]

I got such a lucky run with the boons I got

[latent moon]

hermes in first aspho chamber is pretty common tbh

bad news kinda common rd

swift flourish isn't bad here i think

[tropic agate]

I only used one death's defiance in the last fight

[latent moon]

i'd cope with flourish

but rolling for rd isn't a bad choice either tbh

true

did you get miniboss yet

or is aphro miniboss

if you take chaos that would be c18 right

c19 midshop/miniboss, c20 miniboss/midshop, that sounds pretty reasonable

yeah

i'd take it

you probably won't miss either of them

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/ty8jlve0LuqS

This seems good

[latent moon]

you should but idk lmao

miniboss can be c21 iirc

midshop can be c20 as well

so they're open

depends on the room at this point i guess

WOOOOOOOOOO

addled grasp tbh

not hurtful

and hey free room

can't complain frankly

could use 1 if you feel like it

but i'd just take the cast

exactly

based

gaming

athena for dd i guess

but you might need fodder

prob still athena tho

and buy fodder from mid/end shop

stand on gorgan and meg when thwomp is about to land and you could iframe it lol

based

should've burned sd before picking it up

pick whatever is higher rarity lmao

actually

holy shield isn't bad actually

well the idea is to sell it anyways

yeah

holy shield is like

budget spear point

except it doesnt cure poison

buy more fodder lol

beaver time?

that works too

breaking wave

tdash doing more damage on bosses kinda good

lmfao

[manic kraken]

sell if you need the money idk

[latent moon]

sell pos call

uh

acorn probably

you dont benefit from wells that much

and unless you see yourself dying in normal rooms

acorn would be better

oh right bull miniboss might suck

probably lmao

[high island]

Why was there a debate about Twin Shot vs Sniper Shot lmao.

"Hivemind meta".

[latent moon]

because someone thought sniper shot is good

targeting isn't bad

what was your first one

and what are the other options

oh rip

targeting is neat i guess lmao

[high island]

2x vs +0% damage.

[latent moon]

yeah that was part of my argument

[high island]

[latent moon]

bwave

uh

hydraulic might

it's nice for styx

general fodder as well

160 hp with SD?

should be fine tbh

trial for more fodder ofc

[high island]

Trial if you have time.

[latent moon]

rip

aphro can't give anything else at this point other than sweet surrender i think

pos has uh

idk lmao

hydraulic might

yeah pos

aphro call not bad either tbh

fair

full call is like another summon

[high island]

Poseidon's Aid needs poms. Aphrodite's Aid is just good burst without poms.

[latent moon]

also just stopping the lasers can be really nice

how many do you have left?

you're chilling

rupture kinda strong

or

take flood shot to fill cores and hope you can dd cheese with athena

which means you'd need a tunnel with athena in styx

or see athena very soon

[latent moon]

assuming sack isnt in this tunnel btw

heart

220 is enough for a pom + heart or just a reg boon

based

yeah lmao

farm hearts at this point

you can reroll for uc

if you have to at this point

you should have decent fodder btw

how much % is the atk

how much hp do you have?

is that total hp or current hp

oh lmao

lmao true

i'd take heart, targeting system is like a pseudo +30% lmao

and also not having patty kinda pain

so should stack hp just in case

[high island]

What Heat are you doing?

[latent moon]

32

hestia

[high island]

Ah.

[latent moon]

i mean i get that hestia is safe

but i'd still take hp for insurance because no patty

[high island]

Is this HL5 FO0?

[latent moon]

lc4 hl1 i think

[high island]

Razor Shoals gud.

[latent moon]

rupture

red special kinda funny

but can't dd cheese then

because you need athena cores

if you dont want to dd cheese i'd take red

because kinda funny

fair

[high island]

Razor Shoals way better than exchanging there.

[vital spade]

What is the prophecy foretold thing

[latent moon]

is theseus not there lmao

based

[high island]

That's nice, but Hestia also doesn't really care if he does. Can just keep shooting him.

[rich horizon]

asterius beyblade *shakes fist*

[latent moon]

nonsense, you have tdash for a reason

run straight at him

based

[high island]

Amir, your game is doing a funny.

[latent moon]

jesus christ lmfao

[high island]

What are the other options?

[latent moon]

what are your boons looking like rn

and yeah other options

holy shield, flood shot, bwave, shoals, swift flourish can be sold i guess

but uh

[high island]

If you have three rolls, I'd consider rolling. But purging Razor Shoals is fine, too.

[latent moon]

idk lmao i'd just sell shoals and just go with it

it's still risky of a roll tbh

oh rip

none of the well items would last tho

oh touch of styx i guess

rip

lmfao

unfortunate

[high island]

Might as well roll then. Purple Razor Shoals kinda nice for boss damage.

HP is good.

[latent moon]

should've taken her path 1 frankly because you risk a 2sack

but you might as well tbh

just like, kill yourself after the 3rd chamber

ah

uh

take minibosses first, you dont exactly need to dd cheese

if it's not 2 sack then athena next i suppose

[high island]

This yeah.

I don't care if it's miniboss or not in Styx at high heat tbh.

Unless timer is really tight.

[latent moon]

oh you also have bwave, should be relatively fine

oh welp

i mean if you're confident in not losing a lot of hp

[high island]

If you have the money, def go for his boon.

[latent moon]

still good tbh

however

it would be funny to get rd

you can reroll twice anyways

cringe

lmao based

[high island]

Don't roll away +2 dashes on high heat lol.

Well, I guess it's 32, so it's just an any heat speedrun anyway.

[latent moon]

anyheat speedrun with lc4 sd

would be funny if you died

b a s e d

[high island]

Take your time, just focus on playing clean.

[latent moon]

b a s e d

[high island]

Hmmm don't stand right behind a pillar. Get some distance from it. Much easier to not accidentally step outside of the safe zone.

[latent moon]

should've gotten patty

[high island]

Well.

Er.

Try not doing that next time.

This tip sponsored by Hypnos.

[vital spade]

I just got an ultra crappy build and beat hades with 2 life and zero defiances left

Still kept my streak of never losing to hades

My heart is pounding

[rustic vale]

💪

[stone wedge]

i really like the talos aspect i think it was for the fists

i just think the pull is funny

[high island]

You would have won if you'd done FO0 tbh.

But FO2 is good practice for higher heats.

[vital spade]

I just beat 8 heat and I haven’t even lost to hades yet

[brisk trail]

Flurry or explosive shot better on maxed chiron bow?

With aphrodite attack and dio special

[high island]

Flurry.

What's the third option though?

[brisk trail]

Wait, there's also piercing volley

[high island]

That's nice for Elysium.

[brisk trail]

Yeah, deleting armor

But I don't get to take flurry shot very often

And it can be nice dps on its own right?

[high island]

Mostly for Greatshields and Theseus.

Because Piercing Volley is unblockable.

[brisk trail]

Oh, I don't mind Theseus or the shields

Honestly I don't really struggle with those, so maybe flurry shot is the way?

Honestly even if piercing volley is marginally better, the fact that flurry shot is viable and fun, I'm just gonna take it

[high island]

I think either one is fine.

[bronze forge]

whtas the build of nemesis

[high island]

Nemesis Guide: #h1-for-new-players message

[bronze forge]

I just gave skelly an ambrosia and he gave me semothing back but ive no idea

whats going on

what did he do

[flat bloom]

its a companion

basically something extra to use during escape attempts

skelly’s isnt exactly the best tho

[vital spade]

[brisk trail]

Is relentless or concentrated volley better on maxed chiron (w/ dio special)

[high island]

Concentrated is better if Chiron is Lv.3 or higher.

[bronze forge]

whats the best companion and how do you get it

also i should just equip in in the beginning and save it?

you can always use it only once?

[rustic vale]

Battie

From Meg

[rustic vale]

?

[rustic vale]

No you get more if you upgrade them

[bronze forge]

can you equip a new one after every level?

[latent moon]

conc is always the right choice, no matter what's on the special

[rustic vale]

No

[latent moon]

relentless adds +40 damage, conc adds like idk more than 40 lmao

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/989610739721441330/chiron_bow_spread_sheet.png

[tall trench]

Do any pacts of punishment affect the seed for starting new runs? I could have sworn I've been able to slightly alter starting boon/hammers by enabling/disabling extreme measures, but it doesn't seem to be working now and I can't tell if I'm misremembering or just a crazy person

[high island]

If Chiron is Lv.2 or lower, Relentless is better.

[tall trench]

Or I suppose, more broadly, is there anything that you can do to affect the starting seed of a run? (I realize swapping keepsakes can give a different boon but it's still the same initial starting offerings regardless of the god)

[high island]

You can start a run and die for a new seed.

[latent moon]

you can't change the seed unless you die

[bronze forge]

will i get the upgrade from lamber plume even if i unquip it?

[tall trench]

Yeh, I imagine that's the only way then. I've seen the same on forum posts but wanted to ask here hoping for another trick, I'll just try to make it work then, thanks to both

[latent moon]

nope

[bronze forge]

shi

so i need to just keep it on

is it ever worth it?

i equpped it to get the requirement done

[tall trench]

I never use the lambent plume because of that exact reason tbh

[latent moon]

nope

unless you're doing a full dodge build with zag fists

[bronze forge]

yeah thats what i thought

[high island]

There's a mod that lets you pick a seed. That's the only other option.

[bronze forge]

more and more im realzing boon 1 boon 2 acorn is the best strat

[tall trench]

I'm playing on PS, but yeah, that sounds like it would be a thing, thanks

[latent moon]

hourglass into ely is pretty good

mainly for castpects

[bronze forge]

what does that mean?

[latent moon]

can work for others too but a bit less so

[bronze forge]

elysium is always ok for me

[latent moon]

aspects that are cast focused

[bronze forge]

if i struggle in elysium, then ill struggle later too

[latent moon]

castpects benefit from wells a lot more than other aspects

[bronze forge]

like what

[latent moon]

beo

hera

achilles

those are the main ones that exist

poseidon too actually

[bronze forge]

i have to read up on the names

i just forget

[latent moon]

beo is hidden shield

[bronze forge]

even boon names are hard to keep track of

[latent moon]

hera you load the cast and shoot from bow

[bronze forge]

oh ok

[latent moon]

achilles is the raging rush spear

[bronze forge]

achilles i know cuz i played with it

yeah it was fun but hard

[latent moon]

poseidon is the funky special to dislodge sword

but those benefit from wells a lot

[tall trench]

I usually do boon 1, boon 2, then coinpurse followed by skelly tooth or hourglass. if I don't need the coinpurse or tooth I just swap in prophecy stuff

[latent moon]

you can buy more cast damage, more casts, more attack/special damage, and if you have rush delivery, more speed

also stuff like backstab, more armor damage, and first hit damage is always nice

for stuff that aren't castpects, you can still benefit from hourglass but much less so than with castpects

[tall trench]

I like to try and take some of the more useful charon boons into hades fight if I can, sometimes I'll skip doing styx rooms if a good well lines up with getting that done

[carmine cloak]

Has anyone ever held on to conch shell for 3 floors?

[latent moon]

not doing all the styx tunnels is what most people do

[latent moon]

if i was leveling up the keepsake i mightve but like why lmao

[bronze forge]

flurry flash dash nova breaching slash

which one for nemesis

[latent moon]

what's the point of holding onto it for that long

[latent moon]

breaching

[high island]

You're best off just going for Hades after you find the sack. Unless you want to level up keepsakes.

[bronze forge]

is flurry slash ever good

[latent moon]

no

[bronze forge]

ok that makes sense

[high island]

It's never good, but it can be fun.

[latent moon]

you want to dash strike all the time with specials inbetween cooldowns

flurry slash can be a neat meme build tho

[carmine cloak]

It's a possible prereq for Huge Catch, and it would increase rarity on the treasure related boons if you see them.

[high island]

For farming runs, probably better to just swap to something that will speed up your run.

But that's just my hypothesis. I don't have data on how to optimize farming runs.

[carmine cloak]

I wouldn't really call it a farming run, I just want more resources.

If I wanted to farm darkness or something I'd just do low heat.

[narrow ingot]

this game is cursed. it causes physical afflictions. it gave my friend carpal tunnel. i was so immersed once i forgot to drink water for a whole day

[mighty hornet]

rly confused, i picked ares's KS but instead got poseidon in the beginning of tart, and its his legendary Huge Catch

intended or a bug?

[frank torrent]

just got an autograph for hypnos!

[carmine cloak]

I don't think that's a curse, that's just a problem caused by gaming. Which you can take steps to avoid.

[narrow ingot]

another friend got thirsty for thanatos

there’s no winning in hades

[carmine cloak]

Scripted events supersede keepsakes.

You will still see Ares next.

[mighty hornet]

so its not a bug?

alright, thx

[frank torrent]

my sister's reaction when she met him was "OMG he's so hot"

[vital spade]

I like this game but honestly the core gameplay loop isn’t the best. If the zones were shorter and maybe there were like 3 more, more enemies, maybe another combat mechanic etc or something the game would feel much less tedious. I wanna love this game and it’s addictive but every time I start a new run I think here goes another slog

[carmine cloak]

I'm starting to feel weird about feeling weird about not feeling particularly lustful over any character in this.

[narrow ingot]

why

you’re normal

[frank torrent]

i find it very strange how people get about these characters

[carmine cloak]

I mean I do occasionally feel attracted to a drawn character. Just not any of these.

[narrow ingot]

ok

[brisk trail]

What's better than curse of pain for Achilles spear special

[carmine cloak]

Athena maybe? Aphrodite?

[narrow ingot]

aspect of bophades and

[carmine cloak]

Achilles special is more for enabling your real dps abilities so I'd put on something with utility.

I mean you could definitely do worse than Doom.

I'm just saying.

In the end any boon or even no boon gets the job done.

Artemis to enable Hunter's Mark is also an idea.

[carmine cloak]

I actually almost wrecked my wrist yesterday but stretching and twisting it and my shoulder gave me some juice to keep going for two more runs. I might rest a bit and start playing a less intensive game soon tho.

Also some weapons that are less mashy are less painful for me XD

Like bow or fists or rail.

[latent moon]

depends what you're building i guess

for ME it's always doom atk
if it's filler, it's probably fine but you might want to make sure you dont open any unwanted duos

[bronze forge]

will i keep the bonus damage from strong drink

[vital spade]

[bronze forge]

if i purge it

[latent moon]

no

[bronze forge]

gahdamn

[vital spade]

The way this game suuuuper slowly trickles new content and story while barely changing the gameplay loop is quite annoying honestly. Wish they spent more time shaking up the 4 lvls too and there are nice little changes but in the end it still feels ur beating the same 4 lvls over and over and over and over. Gets tiring

[latent moon]

that's just the genre of roguelike isnt it

keep doing the same thing over and over again

also story progresses pretty fast once you get clears in doesnt it

[frank torrent]

what's a good rama build?

[latent moon]

like each clear is a story beat basically

[high island]

Honestly, your Special slot is almost entirely irrelevant on Achilles.

[vital spade]

My only issue is the core gameplay loop isn’t really dynamic enough to feel like it’s rewarding and interesting replaying it over and over. By the 10th clear I sort of feel this feeling of why even keep going

[latent moon]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

thank you MiKe

[frank torrent]

oh

that's... a lot

[latent moon]

lmao yeah

tldr

aphrodite atk

flat damage special

hunter dash

twin shot hammer

• point blank or perfect

[frank torrent]

cool

[latent moon]

ocaml starts lightning flourish

[frank torrent]

so ares dio zeus it says for special?

[latent moon]

because the base damage of rama is enough to sustain tart

[latent moon]

yeah

[frank torrent]

oh ok, so i want to force zeus first? then aphro in asphodel if she doesn't show up

[latent moon]

pretty much yeah

[frank torrent]

and take artemis if she shows up no matter what

[latent moon]

yeah

might want to take stygian soul so you dont open lightning rod

unless you want that

[frank torrent]

next thing i need to ask about: what's a good pact for 11 heat?

[latent moon]

or dont mind at least

[latent moon]

there's a heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[frank torrent]

ah thanks

[latent moon]

probably something like td2 or td3 with em2

[frank torrent]

the guide says BP1 MM TD1 EM3

[latent moon]

the heat guide kinda assumes you're gonna climb to 32 heat tho imo so some stuff can be changed

like em3 isn't necessary lmao

[frank torrent]

i mean the goal is 32 eventually

[latent moon]

fair

if that's the case then you can keep em3 to learn it better

[frank torrent]

yeah, i've taken it twice and won but it still needs more learning

[latent moon]

if it's more for just normal bounty stuff then i wouldn't do em3

[frank torrent]

this is just scaling heat while still trying to get bounties honestly

i'd skip heat levels if there weren't still bounties

[latent moon]

lmao fair

[narrow ingot]

shoulder juice ok

[brisk trail]

Is serrated point ever good

[frank torrent]

um... so explosive, sniper, or chain shot?

[latent moon]

chain

explosive makes rama a bit hard to play

sniper is useless

and locks out twin

[frank torrent]

yeah, even slower shots sounds difficult

[latent moon]

chain is useless in boss fights except lernie and heroes tho but it's decent for rooms

[latent moon]

that's the 3x dash strike but shorter dash right

it's spear's 2nd best hammer basically

it's just 3x damage so why not lmao

[frank torrent]

ah well, better than nothing

[latent moon]

yeah

[frank torrent]

would also be usable in the others on their summons

aphro showed up naturally, nice

and i have athena call, so smair is useful

moderately at least

[latent moon]

athena call is nice on rama

lets you get hits in and chill

[frank torrent]

damn, she offered common

worth taking or just get it later?

[latent moon]

pretty sure it's worth

lemme check lol

[frank torrent]

thanks

[latent moon]

your god pool is zeus aphro and athena rn?

did you get a 4th yet

[frank torrent]

yep

not yet

saving it for arty

[latent moon]

could just take it and cope, or hold out until asphodel

or until the next aphro

have you had miniboss yet

[frank torrent]

chamber 7, didn't see a miniboss yet

[latent moon]

midshop yet?

[frank torrent]

don't think so

[latent moon]

midshop is likely after this room right into miniboss i think

either that or it's miniboss rn

[frank torrent]

yeah, that sounds about right

[latent moon]

if you want to try and get a higher rarity you could just wait until the next one comes by, or just take the common and pom it up a bit

[frank torrent]

I reckon I can wait, still got loads of damage

[latent moon]

fair enough

[frank torrent]

Thanks for your help

[brazen aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1058622414101155980/image.png?width=1387&height=780

when the hazard bomb crits

[latent moon]

fat crit

[bronze forge]

for aspect of rama

[narrow ingot]

mega fart

[bronze forge]

do i have to invest 5 bloods into any or does zagreus doesnt count?

[latent moon]

i think zag aspect counts

i think the only thing zag aspect doesn't count for is unlocking guan yu

[vital tapir]

just got ap2 common bronze skin -> rolled -> common bronze skin -> rolled again by accident -> common bronze skin

[latent moon]

yooooo

[bronze forge]

wait

[latent moon]

poggers

bronze skin

[bronze forge]

i got guan yu

but i havent paid for it yet

[latent moon]

i think that should be fine

[bronze forge]

i have to do that in order to unlock rama?

[latent moon]

dont think so

[bronze forge]

ok so i dont have to pay 3 bloods?

[latent moon]

as long as it's revealed it should be fine

yeah prob not

[bronze forge]

ok

ty

[latent moon]

if not then at least you have a maxed zag bow lol

[high island]

Don't need to unlock it, just revealed.

[rustic vale]

any

[vital tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989083474298302504/1058626565329670196/image.png

[latent moon]

this is so sad

[rare crater]

does attack% increase affect dash strikes?

[vital tapir]

yes

bronze skin again 2 chambers later

[latent moon]

based

[rare crater]

also wonder if they increase the dmg of effects such as Zeus attacks

[latent moon]

you'll need it

[vital tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[latent moon]

nope

[rare crater]

oh sadge

[latent moon]

stuff like flat damage is kinda like an external source of damage

like it's triggered by you hitting things
% modifiers are kinda more "built in" if that makes sense

so a chaos boon that says your atk will deal 30% more damage will be stacked on top of aphrodite atk, but wont modify zeus attack

if that makes sense

[rare crater]

yea i was just wondering

[rare crater]

so the dmg% bonus r always additive %?

[latent moon]

yes

[vital tapir]

2 min heroes fight

lord

[cosmic berry]

how long should it take you to get the epilogue of the game?

[latent moon]

idk maybe at 150 hours? that's how long it took me roughly? i didnt keep track

but it takes a while

[cosmic berry]

longer than getting the ending?

[rare crater]

it took me 50 hours

based on my steam playtime

[rare crater]

for me its alot longer

[latent moon]

well like

credits is 10 wins

which frankly isn't much

epilogue requires just a lot of things to do

and you can only do so much during and after 1 run

so you have to keep doing more runs

[cosmic berry]

so

epilogue takes more than 10 wins?

[latent moon]

yes

10 wins is credits

epilogue is however many

there is no set amount

[cosmic berry]

if you want epilogue you mainly need ambrosia and nectar, right?

also

[latent moon]

yeah

[cosmic berry]

is there an achievement for buying everything from the resource director?

[latent moon]

idk

steam or in game

because it's not steam

[cosmic berry]

in game?

[latent moon]

you can check prophecy i guess

oh wait resource director

uh

no

you dont get anything out of it

it's just cosmetics

and a resource sink

[cosmic berry]

did you do it?

buy everything from the resource director?

[latent moon]

no

didn't see any point to it because it takes too much time

325k total darkness

[rare crater]

say, should i get Hunter's Dash or Divine Dash on a build like this?https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803613306937278485/1058630013051752489/image.png?width=1246&height=701

[latent moon]

hunter

[rare crater]

ig either more dmg or more survivability

[latent moon]

you're always dash striking anyways

if you unga bunga hard enough they cant hit you back

[bronze forge]

for aspect of rama

[rare crater]

i have deadly reversal ig, so divine dash is appreciated for that

[latent moon]

oh wait

[bronze forge]

i got guan yu and i talked to artemis and maxed zagreus

[latent moon]

i didn't see deadly reversal

[bronze forge]

but i dont have it still

[latent moon]

i'd take ddash then

[latent moon]

talk more

it's rng dialogue

[rare crater]

well ig ill take divine

[bronze forge]

oh ok

[latent moon]

you're not guaranteed to get it after 1 run

[bronze forge]

i thought it was first time thing

ok

[latent moon]

or rather 1 dialogue

[rare crater]

tho Hunter's Dash seems nice

[bronze forge]

ive seen her a bunch of stuff

[rare crater]

i can prob make up for it with chaos boons

[bronze forge]

cuz i had to get fully loaded

so i had her keepsake

[latent moon]

40% more crit sounds nice tho

[cosmic berry]

it takes gems not darkness wdym

[latent moon]

resource director takes darkness

and like

some other random resource

but each rank will always cost darkness

in total it's 325k

[cosmic berry]

no he doesnt

what are we talking abt

im talking abt house decor

that takes gems

[latent moon]

you said resource director

[cosmic berry]

what is the resource director?

[latent moon]

the dude in hades' room after you reach credits

[vital tapir]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1058630854542377020/image.png?width=1245&height=700 L

[cosmic berry]

i didnt know that existed

im talking abt the house decor

[latent moon]

this is why we use the right names

[cosmic berry]

the guy that you buy house decor and upgrades from

[latent moon]

contractor

[cosmic berry]

did you buy all of his stuff?

[latent moon]

i did because i had extra gems to spend and nothing else to use it on

bought most anyways

there's like a few things im missing on my main save but idrc

no achievement for that

[cosmic berry]

fair

but

did you keep the shortcut to the lounge

or did you think it was too ugly

[latent moon]

i kept it because i didnt really care

it's just there

too lazy to get rid of it

and frankly doesnt matter

[cosmic berry]

also

aspect

so

[rustic vale]

It’s my way of speedrunning into the lounge of course I kept it

[cosmic berry]

do most people that are in this server and beat the game

is hades mainly what they play

[latent moon]

other games exist

[cosmic berry]

or do they just keep in touch w the server

[latent moon]

some just keep in touch

i know aoeui stopped playing the game but they come in every once in a while

[rustic vale]

I don’t spend 100% of the time I spend gaming playing Hades anymore

[latent moon]

lmao

i used to because i didnt have many other games that interested me

until i bought dead cells

which i'm bad at

[cosmic berry]

so now your trying to beat dead cells?

[latent moon]

that's the idea

[rustic vale]

I bought deadcells and then stopped after beating boss stems cell 1 or 2 because I couldn’t progress further

And have other games to play

[latent moon]

lmao apparently like the "real game" doesnt start until 5

[cosmic berry]

is dead cells THAT hard?

[latent moon]

and i'm stuck at 1

so i need to git gud

[latent moon]

i heard it's a difficult game yeah

i haven't played that much tho

[rustic vale]

I don’t know
I feel like I just have a skissue with it

[latent moon]

mood

[bronze forge]

if i have a daedulus option and another thing

will i lose the daedulus option down the line if i choose to do the other thing

[rare crater]

its quite hard but ig all you need is patience

[bronze forge]

or you will alwasy be force to have two daeduluses

[void vigil]

The hammer will likely appear again, but the game won’t force you to have two

I’ve had runs without any

[bronze forge]

so there is a world in which you can escape without taking any daedeluses

[latent moon]

yes

[void vigil]

if you keep avoiding it, yeah

[bronze forge]

then i shall not skip on it when i see it lol

[latent moon]

it's not difficult to do because you're hardly ever forced into it

it's just offered

[bronze forge]

is there any reason to skip it

[latent moon]

other option is better and you know you'll see it again soon

or not better

[rare crater]

daedalus is pretty nice for builds that are centered around the base damage of weapons no?

[high island]

That'll only happen if you skipped them in e.g. shop or took a Chaos Gate or didn't look at all of the exits etc.

[bronze forge]

what is a better option

[latent moon]

but you need the other one and can't guarantee seeing it later

[bronze forge]

ok

[rare crater]

i hardly ever find myself getting any daedalus upgrades if i run a build that depends on god's effects flat damage

[bronze forge]

like what

cast stuff?

zues procs

hangover

doom

[rare crater]

Dio hangover

ig all of that stuff

[latent moon]

like in elysium, if you already had your first hammer, i might take a pom/heart/gold the first 1/2 times it's offered because there's a good chance it'll show up on the next door

[bronze forge]

heart and gold is like lowest prio for me

[latent moon]

depends on the need at the time frankly

and how important the 2nd hammer is

[rare crater]

for merciful end ig the upgrade for Gilgamesh that gives more dmg% is nice

[bronze forge]

like if youre squishy?

[latent moon]

high heat, hp is always good

if i'm at like 20 gold i'd take gold

[bronze forge]

whats highg? 10?

[high island]

Hammer is always in the "bag" of available options. Options in the bag are finite. Bag isn't refilled until it's empty. So you can't have runs where hammers aren't offered.

[latent moon]

if i need poms i'd take poms

[latent moon]

32+

[rare crater]

32+ is alot

[rustic vale]

For a while my fists pb was hammerless arte attack talos

[latent moon]

i mean i did say high heat lol

[rustic vale]

Hence it being called “high heat”

[high island]

That's why it's high.

[rare crater]

btw whats the maximum heat needed before bounties?

[bronze forge]

right they will always be offered, but yuo can play the game in a way where yyou dont have to take one

[latent moon]

20 on normal mode, 25 on hell

[bronze forge]

anyways, i think im gonna stick to hammer until i understand the game a lil better

[rare crater]

oh

[latent moon]

generally a good idea

[bronze forge]

but i assumed you always take

opened my mind

[high island]

Tbh nowadays 32 is more considered mid. It's where the high heat leaderboard starts, but it's also the lowest entries on the leaderboard.

[latent moon]

32 heat is just any heat but with extra steps

i haven't watched many 40 heat speedruns but frankly it's basically also any heat but with ap1 slapping you across the face

and everything hurts more

[rustic vale]

Fair enough

[high island]

32 for me is where I mess around with completely stupid builds and pacts for fun.

[latent moon]

we just call 32 high heat so other people dont feel bad about it lmao

[rustic vale]

Agreed

[latent moon]

32 is like a standard goal to reach because of the skelly statue tho

and most dont go for it

[high island]

"Let's do boonless mirrorless 32 Heat, that sounds stupid enough to be fun." (It's boring. )

[latent moon]

so it's frankly just better to call 32 high

it's just the filthy try hards call it mid now lmao

[rustic vale]

Plus 32 heat is like the threshold for running lc4 sd

[high island]

Well, it's high for vast majority of players, so yeah.

[latent moon]

i think azi took it a bit earlier

but pretty much yeah

[high island]

"High" is subjective anyway.

[rare crater]

whats the skelly statue?

[high island]

The Skelly statue is the Skelly statue.

It's Skelly.

[frank torrent]

had to go eat, but i came back and you were absolutely right lmao

[high island]

But a statue.

[rare crater]

like is it an unlockable thing?

[high island]

Yes.

[rare crater]

at 32 heat?

[high island]

You need to do 8, 16, and 32 Heat to get the 3 statues.

[rare crater]

oh

[latent moon]

lmao c8 is generally midshop in tart

what playing the game too much does to a mf

[frank torrent]

shop offered aphro boon, but even a reroll didn't offer me attack unfortunately

[latent moon]

rip

[frank torrent]

got zeus's legendary in tart tho

[latent moon]

bruh lmfao

special only run?

[frank torrent]

lmao

i've even got athena call so that won't give damage XD

[rustic vale]

See I would just get UC’ed into having to sell it

[frank torrent]

damn, artemis showed up in the final shop but i don't have mony

even taking this run slowly i'm still a full minute ahead of TD

that's including the time i spent a solid 30 seconds dashing around charon's shop

[novel wharf]

I'm trying to get aspect of arthur right now :

Honestly zeus's recoil powers are great I'm like "Oh, every hit i take they take three hundred something? seems like a good trade"

[rustic vale]

Eh
Kind of relies on you getting hit to work so

[high island]

It's a good revenge boon.

[latent moon]

just get the revenge duo

so you dont have to get hit

[frank torrent]

so my damage with special spam is really strong rn, purely because of zeus legendary

[latent moon]

special rama moment

[frank torrent]

i just need jolted and i'll be sorted

[high island]

Fighting Soul Catchers and Snakestones when you have Heaven's Vengeance is fun.

[rustic vale]

Is it not affected by typical zeus cooldowns?

[high island]

I don't think so.

[rustic vale]

😳

[high island]

They just delete their own HP lol.

[rustic vale]

Tbh

“Curse of vengeance + holy shield ME combo goes crazy” -Me if I ever got it

[novel wharf]

Soul catchers send their little small damage butterflies at themselfs and then the next thing they know Poof they're dead

[frank torrent]

held out for a better rarity on aphro attack and it took me till elysium midboss

[latent moon]

lmfao

this is why i cope with common

[frank torrent]

time for EM3 theseus

[rustic vale]

Same

[frank torrent]

that was weirdly easy

[latent moon]

rama moment

[frank torrent]

rama is good

[latent moon]

yep

[frank torrent]

that makes a 3rd bow aspect i've actually enjoyed using

[latent moon]

bow has all good aspects lmao

[frank torrent]

wait even zag is good

seriously lmao

[latent moon]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Yes

[latent moon]

just because it's not flashy like the others doesnt mean it's not good lol

[rustic vale]

Zag is my favourite bow aspect
And it’s better then chiron

[latent moon]

built in 15% crit chance

can't complain about a crit chance

[frank torrent]

i think rama is possibly my favourite, it's just felt really good

but then i haven't even tried zag yet

[latent moon]

you also did special only for a bit and played it like budget delta chamber rail lmao

[frank torrent]

hera just feels like beo but slightly worse

[latent moon]

that's exactly what hera is

[frank torrent]

well that was fun

it did take me a bit to get used to not being immune while charging shots after going from beo to rama

[rustic vale]

Nyaanyaa Mewmew is typing…

[latent moon]

lmao

i mean it's pretty accurate frankly

[frank torrent]

1180 damage per shot is on par with some of the good hera builds i've had, this is pretty cool

[rustic vale]

If hera was discount beo then how come hera is faster

[latent moon]

like in a casual play through, not even for heat or speedrunning
beo is just naturally stronger because it's a shield lmao

and also bugwulf

[frank torrent]

oh there it is

[high island]

Imagine Hera but your Casts drop one after another after a delay instead of dropping immediately all at once.

That's Beowulf.

[latent moon]

passion beo uses pstatus because it doesn't need the extra 5% from family favorites off the start because dragon rush is strong lmao

and beo being strong in general

hera doesnt use pstatus even tho they build the same basically

[frank torrent]

so is smair good with athena call?

[latent moon]

yeah it's good

[rustic vale]

Good enough defensively

[high island]

Beowulf without Charged Shot trying to beat Hera in speed.

[frank torrent]

cool, time to be immune to damage

[latent moon]

simply reset for cshot or play modded lmao

hera is better unmodded because of that lmao

but if you're just reseting for cshot anyways then beo's generally better

[high island]

I'll still say Hera is faster even modded. Not waiting for bloodstones to drop saves time more often than Beowulf's AOE does, and Flurry Shot fires your Casts faster than Charged Shot.

[latent moon]

well croven is clearly a testament to that lmao

he says beo is better modded but homie does not care

[frank torrent]

going to the final boss with 399/399hp, 3 death defieds, and a skelly DD because i wanted to level up the keepsakes

[rustic vale]

Hera is superior

💪

Because it’s a bow

And bows are like zag bow

The best aspect in the game

[frank torrent]

bow supremacy

[latent moon]

you dont like the spaghetti plate shield?

[high island]

I think he's wrong about Beowulf being faster modded, but also Croven would have WR with either one if he wanted.

[latent moon]

the revolving door of a dinner plate?

[high island]

So there's that.

[rustic vale]

Croven should do a routed modded run

With codex tech

Get a time in the negatives

[latent moon]

codex tech in the routed eris run would be hilarious tbh

[rustic vale]

?

[latent moon]

i wonder how far the momentum would carry you with that much of a speed boost

[latent moon]

i mean codex keeps movement momentum when you open it but pauses the timer, and the eris run has an insane amount of speed

[rustic vale]

Ah

[latent moon]

like how far would that momentum take you

[rustic vale]

Into the magma

[latent moon]

true

[novel wharf]

Light of ixion plus cosmic egg= woo!

[rustic vale]

Light of ixion = woo

[latent moon]

my rama run had 2 ixions going into aspho lmao

fumbled sub9 but it's okay

[frank torrent]

the narrator just said that zagreus stumbled into a pit of deadly spears... this is fantastic

[latent moon]

wasn't expecting a sub10 rama anyways

[frank torrent]

in contrast to that speedy rama run, mine took 28 minutes

[latent moon]

lmao to be fair your pact wasn't built for speed

[frank torrent]

that is true

[latent moon]

and lvl 1 rama

[frank torrent]

however it's still quite a while

[frank torrent]

also true

would help a lot having a few more levels

[rustic vale]

Fo2 em2 shaves 18+ minutes fr

[latent moon]

i did fo1 lmao

i didn't trust my reaction time on rama

[rustic vale]

That’s why it wasn’t sub9

[latent moon]

i prob would've gotten stun locked a lot more tbh

[frank torrent]

not when i'm playing it

[rustic vale]

It shouldn’t be that big a shave ever

[frank torrent]

yeah ik

[high island]

Same.

I also don't trust your reaction time on Rama.

[rustic vale]

[frank torrent]

well anyway as i'm apparently doing runs with hidden aspects now, what's a good build for guan yu?

[rustic vale]

Charged skewer + big special +%

[latent moon]

charged skewer and play it like hestia/bow

[frank torrent]

oh right so it's basically just a bow build if i get that hammer

[high island]

Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message

[rustic vale]

Spin between waves

[high island]

I should add Merciful End to that guide sometime, but then again that would advertise Merciful End and who would want that.

[frank torrent]

i mean it's a melee weapon so ME would work ofc

[rustic vale]

ME bad, grrrrr

[rustic vale]

Every weapon in the game is a melee weapon

[high island]

Merciful End is the go-to Guan Yu build for DPS.

[rustic vale]

Does GY speedrun wr use ME?

[high island]

Yeah.

[frank torrent]

Of course it does

[rustic vale]

Dang

[high island]

It's great for Merciful End because the DPS rotation works even without Divine Dash.

Anyway.

Let's make Merciful End unpopular so it doesn't make it into Hades 2.

[rustic vale]

I refuse

I want ME in Hades 2

[high island]

#cancelME

[rustic vale]

for legal reasons that is a joke

[high island]

Wait no. Don't cancel me.

[rustic vale]

Byebye Nyaanyaa MeowMeow

Wait

Nyaanyaa MEwMEw

🤨

Nyaanyaa is a double ME supporter

[high island]

No.

Mew precedes ME.

[bronze forge]

Do the encounters in styx count for keepsakes

the ones with bonuses

like pom blossom

[rustic vale]

They only count for pom

[vital tapir]

are there other besides pom blossom

no i’m p sure they don’t

[rustic vale]

Plume and butterfly

[vital tapir]

oh true

am i wrong on both counts

[bronze forge]

lambent plume too

[vital tapir]

🏀
🗑

[rustic vale]

Plume and butterfly only count the last chamber in a styx tunnel

[bronze forge]

so pom will work

but even still, acorn is still better?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[bronze forge]

ok

[gray apex]

You wont be doing all the Styx tunnels everytime so you don’t get the most value out of it. And by that point you’re gonna have a lot of boons and your essential stuff decently levelled ideally, so it doesn’t really help.

[rustic vale]

Only really good for dio builds but even then most of the time not guaranteed to hit your hangover every time

[high island]

Lambent Plume can be better than Acorn if you've had it on for most/all of the run and already have some dodge chance or damage reduction.

[latent moon]

you have to be desperate for pom levels or doing a meme run if you want to take mom pom into styx lmao

but even if you are desperate for pom levels just cope and take acorn so you dont die lmao

[high island]

Can be comfy for high heat Tartarus, especially Cast builds, if you're willing to reset for a good boon start.

3 free poms. With CF2, that's 540 obols.

[carmine cloak]

It's almost guaranteed to hit your main boon at least once.

And it'll probably hit something else useful too I think?

[bronze forge]

Forced overtime is a nightmare against the minatour

[carmine cloak]

How many ranks?

[bronze forge]

the frist one

20%

[carmine cloak]

I didn't really notice myself.

But I can see it I guess.

[polar root]

okay somene.

Hades spear.

How do I make it work

[gray apex]

Merciful End

[polar root]

jesus christ

okay 1

can I actually get a build

[high island]

Tidal Dash start is also pretty good.

[tired karma]

why on high heat EM3 theseus and minotaur is way easier than regular dad

[polar root]

I dont like em3 bull man

asterius scares me

[polar root]

well

uh

a

build might be nice

[tired karma]

em3 theseus and asterius are hard on 40 heat
on 30 they are an easy kill, at least for me
on arthur

[high island]

Tidal Dash > Lightning Strike + Static Discharge OR Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark. Whichever you see first between the two attacks.

Poms on Tidal Dash and 2-3 on Static Discharge/Hunter's Mark.

[polar root]

sounds goood

[bronze forge]

do hades green vases count as traps

[gray apex]

Yes

[mortal coyote]

do you need to go far in a run to trigger dialogue with dusa? im tryna get forged bond. can i just get into a run and immediately suicide

[gray apex]

You can

[bronze forge]

turn out they are not

just got a boon to remove trap damage

but i still got hurt

[gray apex]

It doesn't remove trap damage it just reduces it

[bronze forge]

oh it reduced

it was sure footing

[gray apex]

Yes

[tired karma]

I think you took my joke too seriously
He was never top g to me

[bronze forge]

is there a tier list for hidden aspects

[bronze forge]

for rama aspect, ive been talking to artemis but she doesnt give me whatever prompt she needs to give

ive unlocked guan yu and maxed zag bow

am i missing something or just a skill issue

[gray apex]

rng

You can double check requirements in #h1-story-discussion pins, seems you got them right

Make sure you're not using the give up feature to restart runs

Have Zag die in one way or another so it changes the starting seed

[bronze forge]

yeah i never quit

[tired sundial]

any way to increase my chances of catching the legendary Chaos fish?

[high island]

Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide

There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.

[tired sundial]

this is not what i'm asking at all

i guess the last paragraph can help

is this a guess or has it been tested?

specifically the 340 ms thing

my issue is not the fishing process itself though

my issue is that not only do you have to be lucky with getting a chaos gate but also lucky enough that the chaos gate would also have a fishing point

[high island]

It's not a guess, no.

You can go for Huge Catch and also look for Wells of Charon when there's a Chaos Gate to hopefully find a Skeletal Lure there you can buy (guarantees a fishing point in the next chamber).

[tired sundial]

yeah, been wondering what's better, to carry the chaos egg so that i can get into more gates without penalty, or to try to go for the huge catch

but by the time i get huge catch, it's almost elysium

and there are no gates after elysium

[high island]

Conch Shell is a requirement for Huge Catch, so if you keep it on, you'll only need one out of Sunken Treasure and Ocean's Bounty instead of both.

That should help a bit.

Gods' Legacy for better legendary odds.

[tired sundial]

yeah, tried this

but still got the catch relatively late usually

[high island]

That's the best you can do anyway. Other than that, just do a lot of runs.

[tired sundial]

will try to give this strategy a go again

[tired sundial]

how many is a lot

thanks for the info btw

[high island]

As many as it takes.

[silent willow]

...do I wanna try tartarus charon

I have two boons. But I'm so tempted.

oops, sorry

got bonked for a curse word

[tired sundial]

oh, what's ambiguity bonus? from ||bouldy||

[brisk trail]

Is deadly reversal good on Poseidon sword?