no, we need to know what aspect you're using before we can help with gods
#h1-discussion
frank torrent
bright musk
So I just have terrible luck with dialogue rng damn
frank torrent
also yeah look at the guide
frank onyx
no, we need to know what aspect you're using before we can help with gods
What are aspects🥲
frank torrent
What are aspects🥲
use the guide nyaa linked
high island
Aspects are weapon variants you can unlock after you've unlocked all 6 weapons.
frank onyx
Aspects are weapon variants you can unlock after you've unlocked all 6 weapons.
I havent even unlocked all yet so
bright musk
@cosmic berry good job
frank torrent
i'm very confused about the tiny vermin boss fight
bright musk
Those two can be a pain and how many DDS do you have @cosmic berry
@frank torrent hate him
cosmic berry
Those two can be a pain and how many DDS do you have <@726138138816282665>
1 normal dd and 1 skelly
flat bloom
i'm very confused about the tiny vermin boss fight
its just a small rat w a lot of hp
high island
What's there to be confused about?
frank torrent
it's a very small rat
flat bloom
it also summons big rats
frank torrent
that happens to be tankier than every other large rat
bright musk
@cosmic berry if you're build is good then your fine otherwise you probably lose
cosmic berry
<@726138138816282665> if you're build is good then your fine otherwise you proba...
lol
high island
Be sure to sing Lady Aphrodite's Tiny Vermin Song when you meet him. https://clips.twitch.tv/SpineyCalmGoblinOMGScoots-PfcVs0X1GxmOnRmr
frank torrent
i love that
bright musk
@cosmic berry yes
high island
There's also the Not Speedrunning Version. https://clips.twitch.tv/YawningProductiveCroissantPoooound-6W9WFROptd__EhxY
frank torrent
didn't get mirage shot or any chaos boons relating to cast... good thing beowulf is insane
bright musk
@cosmic berry but there a chance you run in to a tiny rat that's is a pain
frank torrent
fantastic
cosmic berry
<@726138138816282665> but there a chance you run in to a tiny rat that's is a pa...
ok
high island
one of the 5 rooms has what i want?
One of the five tunnels, yes. It's never the first one you enter.
cosmic berry
ok
frank torrent
Honestly well items > chaos buffs for beo
didn't get extra stones from there either
frank torrent
got one cast buffing one
bright musk
Is level 3 eris and level 2 hestia enough for the waking phrase to show up
high island
Yeah.
high island
He has a lot of story dialogue to go through, too.
bright musk
You don't really
cosmic berry
where is the fountain
i havent bought nothing for styx
yeees
i found a well
with kiss of styx
had enough to buy
bright musk
Good this is winnable
bright musk
Just believe in yourself
cosmic berry
bro those snakes do so much dmg
broooo im unlucky
down to my last 2 tunnels and still havent found it
cosmic berry
ye
frank torrent
down to my last 2 tunnels and still havent found it
that's a bit unlucky
what's zeus and posideon's duo boon?
thorny mirage
Sea Storm
thorny mirage
knock away effects can proc lightning
bright musk
Yeah dialogue farming time
bright musk
No
frank torrent
nope
bright musk
Good luck
cosmic berry
ill need it
tropic moat
Relentless volley vs concentrated volley chiron bow
I got both as options
I want to use a hangover build
latent moon
Conc
Chiron already gives 8 arrows which will max out low tolerance
Conc will give more damage
frank torrent
Chiron already gives 8 arrows which will max out low tolerance
only at max level, idk if it's worth below then
tropic moat
Conc will give more damage
ok
latent moon
only at max level, idk if it's worth below then
I mean if it's like 7 arrows or maybe even 6 conc might still be better
tropic moat
I only do 5 arrows
this is base level!
For the longest time I thought that said 5 damage lol....
frank torrent
I mean if it's like 7 arrows or maybe even 6 conc might still be better
true, you'd have to have pretty low level to make relentless worth
bright musk
Can waking phrases show up when you talk to the god when you first start a run with their item equipped
bright musk
@tropic moat ok I was going to say I had seen stuff that says it won't
tropic moat
hmmmm the reason I said yes is because it worked for me but i'm pretty sure I gave up after it wasn't working
make sure you're not giving up btw
high island
true, you'd have to have pretty low level to make relentless worth
Needs to be Lv.3 Chiron or higher for Concentrated Volley to beat Relentless Volley.
bright musk
I'm not I am just dieing
high island
Can waking phrases show up when you talk to the god when you first start a run w...
Yes.
bright musk
@cosmic berry damn you get him soon
cosmic berry
how many health bars does he have?
tropic moat
imagine if he had 3 though
bright musk
God damn you Zeus just give what I want
tropic moat
It feels like the second one is shorter
high island
Yeah.
frank torrent
it only has one phase transistion
cosmic berry
also
frank torrent
that's why it feels shorter
tropic moat
Wait only 17k?
cosmic berry
the moment the second phase began
he hit my with a beam
and it tracked me
and whats ambrosia for?
frank torrent
and it tracked me
use the pillars in the arena to hide behind
cosmic berry
there were pillars?
bright musk
Titan blood manly at least that's what I used it for
cosmic berry
it happened so quick and i was so low i didnt even notice
bright musk
Mainly
high island
You don't need to hide behind anything. Just stand right on top of him when he shoots the 360 beams.
He can't hit you there.
And you can just get free damage in.
cosmic berry
the run was so unlucky in general
frank torrent
You don't need to hide behind anything. Just stand right on top of him when he s...
well that's a bit ridiculous
high island
there were pillars?
Not quite pillars. There are two rocks.
cosmic berry
i had to do all tunnels before getting the sack
high island
and whats ambrosia for?
Ambrosia is same as Nectar, just for high affinity.
cosmic berry
is it worth trading for titan blood?
high island
Yeah, it's fine to trade some in for Titan Blood.
cosmic berry
ok
also
did you fail your first time you made it to the hades boss fight @high island ?
also
ive decided
to do a couple of runs for farming
like
leveling acorn, getting shadow for my talents, getting crystals, etc. etc.
high island
did you fail your first time you made it to the hades boss fight <@3114779848865...
Yes.
tropic moat
Ughhh I still haven't gotten smoldering air!
high island
It's Darkness, not "shadow". 
frank torrent
i don't think many people win the boss fight the first time
tropic moat
Hades was a massive road block for a while
high island
If somebody beat him first try, they probably had somebody to walk them through the whole build.
frank torrent
If somebody beat him first try, they probably had somebody to walk them through ...
that's true yeah
bright musk
@cosmic berry I feel like if you beat hades on your first attempt Then you got really lucky and did nuts damage
cosmic berry
when yall beat hades the first time
high island
My first clear was run #23.
cosmic berry
were yall RLLY RLLY familiar w the gaem?
frank torrent
My first clear was run #23.
mine was 31 i believe? made a new save since then
high island
But meta was very different back then in early access.
bright musk
@cosmic berry yeah pretty much
high island
I did a Shatter Shot build, and that boon doesn't even exist anymore lol.
cosmic berry
im in run 17 BUT in one of the runs i purposely died at the very beginning since i was tryna get aspects, since i unlocked all weapons and rlly wanted aspects
so technically im on run 16
dull niche
when yall beat hades the first time
run 50
dull niche
yeah pretty much
cosmic berry
are you talking abt mine @high island ?
high island
The shorter the runs, the less you can screw up.
cosmic berry
anyways new god unlocked
high island
are you talking abt mine <@311477984886521856> ?
No, I am talking to speedrun WR holder Croven who took 50 attempts to get his first clear and has no future in competitive Hades.
high island
He pressed buttons very fast.
bright musk
Run 34 was my first one@cosmic berry
high island
Also he plays on a Mac, that's his secret.
tropic moat
He pressed A then X
high island
You keep saying guys. I am not a guy.
cosmic berry
can i just get a quick run-down of her?
bright musk
@cosmic berry chill that's about it
high island
Chill gud.
bright musk
Slows people down
high island
There's no meta build that starts with her really.
cosmic berry
sad momento
high island
Crystal Clarity is a good build, though, on a Cast aspect.
Well, mainly on Achilles.
high island
Crystal Clarity is her Duo Boon with Lady Artemis.
cosmic berry
im using fists so i wanna get dyonisus
high island
Malphon usually wants Lightning Strike or Curse of Agony.
Drunken Strike can work, though.
high island
Only stacks up to 5 anyway.
It's not bad. Wants lots of poms on your Attack though.
And Privileged Status rather than Famility Favorite from the mirror.
Then usually Passion Dash to unlock their Duo Boon: Low Tolerance.
Low Tolerance increases max Hangover stacks from 5 to 8 on enemies inflicted with Weak.
bright musk
Can I have the gun equiped to get the waking phrase or does it have to be something else
high island
Can I have the gun equiped to get the waking phrase or does it have to be someth...
Any weapon. Doesn't matter.
bright musk
Can't wait to force my cousin to do dialogue farming tomorrow
raw herald
I always thought mine was run 46 but I checked and it was 45
tired karma
when yall beat hades the first time
Run 7
carmine cloak
Is there an absolute best way to gain a lot of darkness very fast?
high island
Yeah. Pay Amir 100 bucks.
carmine cloak
I guess doing heat 0 over and over?
high island
FO2 EM2 TD1 would be fastest.
carmine cloak
Forced Overtime? Why that one?
high island
Enemies spawn faster and move at you faster, so they die faster.
carmine cloak
Also I really suck at EM Lernie.
high island
That's fine, you don't need to be great at it, you just need to win the fight.
It's faster than non-EM Lernie because the heads are close together.
carmine cloak
Speedrunners made it look so easy but I never thought I would struggle so much.
high island
Just gotta get good builds consistently.
carmine cloak
I might lose this run because of how much I lost to it.
If damage reduction stacks independently, does it also stack independently with damage increases?
Like lets say you take +400% from traps and then -70% from traps?
So first you take X5 damage and then you take x0.3 damage, would that brint the total to x1.5 or?
high island
1.5x, yeah.
Sure Footing value goes up a lot if you're running HS.
Also, for Darkness farming tbh I would recommend you just keep farming bounties and get your Darkness naturally in the process.
carmine cloak
Some runs I barely get any, especially if I clear the heat in one go.
high island
That way you'll unlock and upgrade more weapon aspects much faster and also get Diamonds and Ambrosia for various upgrades and story progress.
high island
Some runs I barely get any, especially if I clear the heat in one go.
Yeah, but you're winning, so... you don't actually need those mirror upgrades just to win.
cosmic berry
peopel
carmine cloak
Well the theme costs a lot if darkness.
high island
Bounties progress a lot of things including giving you more weapon aspects to play with.
carmine cloak
The story is non linear. You have to fail a LOT of runs to exhaust all story progression.
high island
are you story locked if you cant beat hades?
That's usually the case if you can't beat the final boss, yes.
cosmic berry
The story is non linear. You have to fail a LOT of runs to exhaust all story pro...
like 100+ runs?
high island
But yeah, like Manock said, there's lots of story progression besides the main story.
high island
If the game is too hard for you, you can always turn on god mode to make things a lot easier.
Also still not a guy.
cosmic berry
maxed zagreus aspect or lvl 1 chiron aspect
carmine cloak
I mean beating the final boss faster does get you to the credits faster, but I'm starting to feel like I beat the game too fast. It's not very blatant but it feels like some of the dialogue feels a bit out of place post-credits.
high island
Eh, that could happen even if you did it slower.
Greg wrote the dialogue well enough that things usually fit well enough either way, but naturally it's not perfect.
cosmic berry
why is hera aspect s tier always?
carmine cloak
They never refer to things out of order but character dispositions change and some dialog between characters feel like they're written with the relationship at an earlier stage.
Part of it might be bias but for the most part it's because it's very effective at any scaling.
high island
why is hera aspect s tier always?
Because the levels don't matter outside of boss fights.
cosmic berry
fair
carmine cloak
I assume the scaling is cast damage?
high island
No.
Hera levels reduce the time that bloodstones are stuck in enemies.
But a good Hera build one-shots everything.
So your bloodstones drop right away anyway.
carmine cloak
Oh yeah that's not very relevant of a stat for a weapon that can one shot.
high island
Right. Matters a lot for speed in boss fights, but even if it's much slower at Lv.1, it's still plenty strong.
And Quick Reload can make up for it quite a bit.
latent moon
Speed is multiplicitive
cosmic berry
Hera levels reduce the time that bloodstones are stuck in enemies.
dont you want hera at lvl 1 then?
so that boiling blood gets stuck on bosses longer?
cosmic berry
im confused on how that works tbh
rustic vale
im confused on how that works tbh
It’s literally as simple as Nyaanyaa just explained it
cosmic berry
does it do more dmg when its loaded with the catalyst?
high island
Have you used Hera at all?
cosmic berry
Have you used Hera at all?
no
high island
Basically you load your bloodstones into your Attack, and then when you attack and your arrow hits something, it fires your Casts.
high island
You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSPh_y1BPPA
cosmic berry
how did he shoot so quick?
high island
Skill.
high island
He does, though.
He just phased him in 3 shots lol.
Then killed phase 2 in 1 summon and 2 shots.
cosmic berry
wait wut
high island
Well, that's the WR for a reason. The average Hera speedrun doesn't kill Hades quite that fast.
flat bloom
average….
high island
No?
high island
I've never bothered doing runs deliberately just for farming Darkness or whatever.
cosmic berry
is it not worth it?
flat bloom
me neither
flat bloom
is it not worth it?
hypothetically it would prob save time but play the game ur way
carmine cloak
The problem with farming runs is most people have things they would rather be doing.
high island
I had Malphon high heat WR before I had my mirror maxed, so idk what the point of farming just to max the mirror would have been.
carmine cloak
I did ask for the most efficient farming method earlier but that was just for reference really.
flat bloom
I had Malphon high heat WR before I had my mirror maxed, so idk what the point o...
f-for the talents u didnt use- right?
high island
I did ask for the most efficient farming method earlier but that was just for re...
You just take a speedrun build that starts Poseidon for probably Tidal Dash and then go for his farming boons + look for Master Chaos for Eclipse.
carmine cloak
Right now I just bring Bouldy on runs and then forget to use him.
rustic vale
Poseidon -> dio -> ea -> purple chaos exclipses
high island
Ironically, Darkness farming works best when you already have Fated Persuasion, but if you do, your mirror is probably already maxed or near maxed, so your only use for Darkness is cosmetic.
carmine cloak
TBF you need a LOT of darkness for that
rustic vale
I’m still like 200k darkness off
carmine cloak
The night theme requires a metric crapton.
rustic vale
unseen one requires a total of 325k darkness to get iirc
high island
No, that's Chaos Theme.
carmine cloak
The night theme costs keys then? I forgot.
high island
Keys, yes.
carmine cloak
I'm not sure what caused themes to appear for me. One day they just did.
high island
@rustic vale did you win your run?
high island
I'm not sure what caused themes to appear for me. One day they just did.
Finishing all other work orders.
rustic vale
<@733775512991694900> did you win your run?
Oh yeah I was playing
carmine cloak
I had the list of work orders empty for quite a while.
high island
I guess you were probably still missing Extremer Measures.
carmine cloak
Nah I had that. I also have yet to free Achilles.
rustic vale
<@733775512991694900> did you win your run?
I’m at first chamber of ely rn
high island
I’m at first chamber of ely rn
Focus then!
carmine cloak
Also what's the rightmost companion?
carmine cloak
That's not what I asked XD
flat bloom
wait wut r u asking then
high island
Should be Antos.
carmine cloak
From whom?
high island
Master Achilles and Patroclus.
flat bloom
free him already
rustic vale
Focus then!
Died to asterius miniboss because I was playing atrociously
carmine cloak
Not for lack of trying lol. I actually completely exhausted Patroclus's dialog pool for quite a while.
He only recently started having new dialog.
high island
Died to asterius miniboss because I was playing atrociously
That's one reason modded high heat is so much easier.
No solo Asterius to worry about.
rustic vale
Speedrun modpack do be like that
carmine cloak
The speedrun mod fixes certain issues where rng greatly affects run time.
carmine cloak
I don't know the details but Asterius is significantly slower than the big butterfly boss.
So the mod just makes him not happen.
flat bloom
i c i c
high island
Soul Catcher miniboss can be dead in like 1 second after spawning lol.
flat bloom
yea
carmine cloak
It also guarantees satyr sack in the second path.
flat bloom
that ik abt
doesnt it also give u the option to pick ur first hammer and boon
asw as wut shows up in chamber 1
carmine cloak
First boon lets you pick all 4.
cosmic berry
is 1 titan blood for 15 keys worth it?
flat bloom
100%
carmine cloak
First hammer guarantees the meta one.
rustic vale
is 1 titan blood for 15 keys worth it?
Yes
rustic vale
First hammer guarantees the meta one.
- the one you want
cosmic berry
is deep pockets better than golden touch?
rustic vale
is deep pockets better than golden touch?
100%
rustic vale
* the one you want
Those aren’t always the same
carmine cloak
Every deal that lets you skip one or more parts of the chain is always worth it but the blood one in particular should be taken whenever you see it.
rustic vale
Is it literally 100% better?
Ok more like
75%
high island
Is it really 75%?
rustic vale
Is it literally 100% better?
Boon now better than boon later
cosmic berry
Every deal that lets you skip one or more parts of the chain is always worth it ...
wdym the chain?
rustic vale
wdym the chain?
The trading chain
carmine cloak
The default resource exchanges form a chain.
cosmic berry
ok
carmine cloak
Gems for keys for nectar for diamonds for ambrosia for blood
Some of the special deals let you skip parts of the chain and are always worth it.
cosmic berry
ok
carmine cloak
The blood one really stands out tho.
rustic vale
They’re Gemst Ones
high island
The blood one really stands out tho.
What about the blood two?
carmine cloak
If you convert blood to keys blood is normally worth 500 keys iirc.
high island
If you've unlocked everything, neither is worth anything at all.
carmine cloak
So getting one for 15 is just a steal.
cosmic berry
for hades 2
demeter should be in her summer phase
so we get to see a new version of her
maybe different gifts too
rustic vale
In Hades 2
I want Zag boons
cosmic berry
that too
rustic vale
In Hades 2, we chat in <#1050474173450965062>.
I refuse to enter that channel
cosmic berry
is there a way to give hades 2 suggestions?
carmine cloak
Also conversely, there are special trades that trade in reverse. Those are almost always a net loss.
Even at best it breaks even.
high island
is there a way to give hades 2 suggestions?
They will most likely have a #hades2-feedback channel when the game is in early access, which will be open for users who have the Early Access role.
rustic vale
If it’s titans blood for darkness I’ll always take it
high island
That's how it was during Hades 1 early access.
flat bloom
That's how it was during Hades 1 early access.
how do u get ea
cosmic berry
They will most likely have a #hades2-feedback channel when the game is in early ...
did you have to pay for hades 1 early access?
flat bloom
is there like a signup
carmine cloak
I don't, I still need every drop of blood I can get.
high island
did you have to pay for hades 1 early access?
Yes.
cosmic berry
ok
high island
Well no.
cosmic berry
?
flat bloom
lucky u
rustic vale
So no, I did not have to pay.
💪
cosmic berry
u have to pre-order game to get EA?
high island
You just buy it from Steam or Epic game store.
cosmic berry
oh ok
carmine cloak
It's not really a preorder.
cosmic berry
ive never done EA before so idk
flat bloom
i assume EA will only be on pc?
cosmic berry
i kinda wanna do hades 2 EA
carmine cloak
If you buy early access you just pay to play the game before it's done.
high island
And they update the game pretty frequently with new features and bug fixes etc.
rustic vale
if there is EA for switch so I don’t have to play kbm 
… but heavy doubts it’ll be on anything other then pc
high island
You can use a Switch controller on PC.
flat bloom
just use an xbox controller if u have on
flat bloom
You can use a Switch controller on PC.
wait-
carmine cloak
Nobody does EA for Switch, too much headache.
carmine cloak
Just connect the switch controller to your pc and you can use it for anything.
high island
Switch Pro controller.
rustic vale
I should’ve figured
I’m just gonna go grab mine and test this out real quick
I had not heard of this
carmine cloak
It's just an input device at the end of the day.
Nothing ever prevents you from connecting it to a pc.
So long as you have a way for your computer to map inputs.
cosmic berry
do yall just button mash to get past rooms?
high island
lol no.
rustic vale
I just
Hit the buttons in the right order
rustic vale
If you hit them in the right order, why did you die to solo Asterius?
Because I wasn’t hitting them in the right order
high island
Maybe you were hitting them in the right order but wrong tempo.
rustic vale
That sounds closer to the truth
cosmic berry
bruh i can see why yall love acorn
i only took dmg from traps in my battle against the fury
high island
But we don't take Acorn in Tartarus.
Well, I guess you're just leveling it.
Also, don't step on traps.
cosmic berry
i was using shield
also
acorn is mad close to lvl 3
got it to rank 3 rn
dionysus just gave me dialogue abt ambrosia
is that a sign i should be giving it away?
bruh
shield is literally just hydra cheese
mossy tree
so ive convinced my classmate into playing hades and she has chenged her controls (mouse and keyboard) to the arrow keys with attack on w
she is controlling movement with her right thumb
and using mouse to aim and cast
this is on a macbook
i am horrified
cosmic berry
oh hell na
wait till she finds out how vital dodging is
does she at least like the game?
gray apex
and using mouse to aim and cast
wtf
rustic vale
so ive convinced my classmate into playing hades and she has chenged her control...
Holy
Those are uber cursed controls
gray apex
Real gamer
mossy tree
im afraid for my wellbeing
gray apex
You should be
mossy tree
how can i interact with this person any more
rustic vale
how can i interact with this person any more
From 10 feet away with a pike
rustic vale
I’ve only changed cast when I played hera and beo
gray apex
My kbm controls are the same as default
grizzled cedar
Gamer moment
mossy tree
no she has a mouse
void vigil
i changed boon menu (b) to tab and reload (r) to mmb
void vigil
other than that i think i left it as is. i tried switching special and cast as some people recommended but didnt click for me
gray apex
I have dash on a foot pedal
latent moon
i can't tell if that's a joke or not lmao
latent moon
they dont call dodging a knee jerk reaction for no reason
cosmic berry
is light of ixion worth buying?
cosmic berry
bro
what do yall do against the chaos effects like -4 health on attack
do yall just not take those?
latent moon
take and it not get hit
cosmic berry
its when YOU attack
latent moon
yeah
cosmic berry
but
latent moon
just dont get hit
or if you do whatever
better hope they're dead soon
the safer option is to just not take that lmao
latent moon
well you shouldn't have gotten hit frankly
i just took one as well and since i'm using cshot shield it hits twice lmao
cosmic berry
im a beginner
latent moon
i mean if you know it's bad and you're not that skilled enough why did you take it lmao
cosmic berry
idk
family favorite and dark foresight are better than their red counterparts, right?
latent moon
yes
cosmic berry
and fiery presence is better for bow right?
latent moon
yes
lmao i took enshrouded curse at c32, got c33 fountain and c34 than
just get the rooms
still a relatively slow run because i didn't get the boons tho
damn beo iframe bug killed me very cool
was gonna be like an 8:20 run
flat bloom
theres a beo iframe bug?!
latent moon
going into dad with like 70 max hp was not a great idea lmao
latent moon
theres a beo iframe bug?!
yeah lol
flat bloom
tell me wut it is
latent moon
when the flares pop, during that time your dashes dont have iframes
gray apex
Just instaphase him before he gets a chance
latent moon
see
gray apex
Skill issue if you ask me
latent moon
Skill issue if you ask me
i got tart mirage, took plume into aspho because why not
bought a yarn because that's always good
guess who got hermes legendary lmao
i rerolled it and still got it
gray apex
latent moon
aight cool then rolling it was a good idea
to be fair tho i didn't get hyper sprint or more dashes
so would've been better to take it at that point but eh
gray apex
Yea probably
I’m not a big fan of Plume asphodel on Legacy beo
Id rather coin purse
Or arty
For mark
Mark is so good
latent moon
i keep forgetting marked exists and is actually good
i'll keep that in mind for next time then
gray apex
If you’re running Pride you can do Plume and not get Legendaries as easily
latent moon
is skipping chaos for arty in tartarus a good play actually
because i did that because i figured getting arty early is a good idea
gray apex
But I still don’t like it because it never payed off
latent moon
but free room kinda neat
gray apex
is skipping chaos for arty in tartarus a good play actually
It depends on your goal, I would never do that but you have a different goal
latent moon
lmao aight
i figured mirage shot in tart would save me more time than the chaos gate would tbh
gray apex
It’s Tart so you can gamble sometimes and just reset if it turns out bad
latent moon
true
gray apex
i figured mirage shot in tart would save me more time than the chaos gate would ...
Yea that is fair but the chaos is a skip and a 4th stone is massive for Beo and Hera so it’s kinda tough to gauge which one is better
latent moon
i left tart at like 2:30 tho lmao i prob should've reset when i got my first hermes in first chamber in aspho
gray apex
Usually it’s the skip tho
latent moon
true
gray apex
I assume you’re going for sub6 idk
latent moon
kinda yeah lol
gonna shoot for 6:30 first
because that seems more reasonable
but i'm also derusting on beo
i was doing high heat on various aspects and whatnot and didn't touch beo in a long time
gray apex
Beo backhalf is insane sometimes so yea makes sense to keep slightly worse Tarts just to get the Ely and bossing experience
latent moon
haven't been getting sub7s recently tho so i should prob aim for that first
latent moon
Beo backhalf is insane sometimes so yea makes sense to keep slightly worse Tarts...
true most of the time i just hope for good rng later (hardly happens tho lmao)
latent moon
lmao yeah
gray apex
The practice matters more
sterile light
you ever get the feeling that some aspects are just made better than others
gray apex
Later you can be strict
latent moon
i reset like 3 tarts at c5 because i got back to back unarmored witch rooms
gray apex
I’ve seen like 1:50 Elys that are played so well
high island
Who decided that dad spear throws on 51 Heat should do 100 damage.
flat bloom
supergiant games
sterile light
SGG?
latent moon
Later you can be strict
yeah i dont reset runs that often, i just reset if the tart was absolutely horrid
gray apex
It’s just trash enemies but played so smoothly
gray apex
Np
sterile light
like I picked up beo shield after 2 years away from this game, and after dying to like daddy or theseus a bunch of times with other weapons, I just wrecked house with beo shield
gray apex
yeah i dont reset runs that often, i just reset if the tart was absolutely horri...
I think when I was shooting for that my reset point was mostly mirage before lernie
latent moon
oh yeah mirage before lernie is also a good idea
sterile light
I generally don't reset runs 
high island
Well, one attempt ded to Speeder Chariot and one attempt ded to EM4 spear. That's not too bad considering I originally meant to go to sleep instead of doing those two attempts.
latent moon
lmao
cosmic berry
@high island im using trio shot rn
def stronger than duo shot but WAY more annoying
sterile light
hey
gray apex
I generally don't reset runs <:ThonkDumb:585835071538462721>
Kinda have to when going for sub6
sterile light
it's a Daggerfield Certified Good Job™️
sterile light
Kinda have to when going for sub6 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
pog
high island
Kinda have to when going for sub6 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
You don't have to. You can play out every run instead, even if only a very small % of those have a shot.
But you can.
latent moon
if it's not a sub6 it's a dead run
sterile light
but I get it if you're trying to shoot for specific stuff and have a good seed
¯_(ツ)_/¯
latent moon
also if you get forced into a 4 god pool without mirage then it's a dead run
high island
The specific stuff is empty rooms.
gray apex
also if you get forced into a 4 god pool without mirage then it's a dead run
I wasnt very strict with that
latent moon
oh really
cosmic berry
is swift strike good on trio shot?
gray apex
Like if the time is good and you have something going just keep it
latent moon
idk if mike is going for real time or not tho
sub6 rta isn't possible lmao
high island
If it's sub 6, it's not RTA lol.
latent moon
Like if the time is good and you have something going just keep it
fair i guess
high island
sub6 rta isn't possible lmao
Tell that to Croven's sub 6 RTA folder.
latent moon
true
cosmic berry
is swift strike good on trio shot?
?
gray apex
idk if mike is going for real time or not tho
I finished the sub6 goal a while ago tbh
sterile light
I mean, have you seen the speedrunning leaderboard
high island
Swift Strike has zero effect on bow Dash-Strikes. It's not good.
You only pick Swift Strike on bow if you have Flurry Shot. But still not high priority, he has better boons.
cosmic berry
my only other options are greater haste and quick recovery
high island
Greater Haste is fine if you don't have rerolls.
cosmic berry
ok
sterile light
oh nvm that's IGT
latent moon
lmao
sterile light
brain dead
gray apex
cosmic berry
does chill work on bosses?
high island
Yes.
sterile light
max beo noice
high island
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215986642145320/1052966131075403877/im...
Now on 32 Heat.
gray apex
I have a faster one on 32
cosmic berry
ooooooooh
sterile light
Now on 32 Heat.
same energy as the "Now draw them doing X" meme
cosmic berry
i just saw how u can get heroics
now i get it
when a god is tryna trade another god boon
high island
Oh you have the 32 Heat WR modded. Nice.
cosmic berry
they give u higher rarity to compete
gray apex
Yea
cosmic berry
divine flourish epic vs thunder flourish heroic?
high island
Now 40.
sterile light
depends on build
gray apex
No one beat my 5:53 so I did it myself
sterile light
bow special?
cosmic berry
bow special?
what abt it
sterile light
like, it depends on what your build is
high island
Sad that nobody plays this category
32?
gray apex
Yea
high island
Yeah, at least I kinda got it rolling at all when I did all weapons sub 10 back then lol.
cosmic berry
theres also lightning strike epic
high island
A lot of categories and aspects are pretty dead on the speedrun board tbh.
cosmic berry
should i just take lightning stirke epic on bow?
sterile light
I would stay with divine if you're feeling less confident
lightning if you want lots of damage?
not that crucial imo
cosmic berry
i barely am using special
high island
Special is pretty much entirely irrelevant on Zag Bow.
sterile light
o zag bow
cosmic berry
so just got w lightning strike?
sterile light
eh,
high island
No, don't take Lightning Strike on Zag Bow.
sterile light
nah I like the deflect for elysium witches
cosmic berry
only other option is electric shot
high island
Take that.
sterile light
yeah
cosmic berry
aight
sterile light
and then purge for money 👀
sterile light
aph ❤️
gray apex
Like 60 or higher
high island
Heartbreak Strike has the highest %, Deadly Strike is also a decent option.
sterile light
nah nah
heartbreak strike + art dash
- chaos for atk or dash-strike damage
maybe hermes on attack speed or hyper delivery
gray apex
Attack speed still not great
It has the niche of standing turret with flurry Hera but other than that I’d want other stuff
Dashes are great
high island
Best start on Zag Bow would actually be Tidal Dash and then pick up a good Attack.
sterile light
not sure if hyper delivery is super useful on zag bow
high island
Zag Bow lacks AOE in Tartarus. If you don't have Tidal Dash, you need to get very lucky with enemies in Tartarus to keep up.
sterile light
fair
high island
Also helps in Styx.
sterile light
yeah
I kept mentioning for Nina to pick up P.Dash on her Hades stream
but she took other gods instead
ah well
high island
Also Tidal Dash is just an extra hit.
sterile light
if you can get shoals
high island
I don't mean with Razor Shoals or anything. Just Dash-Strike + Tidal Dash is two hits. Dash-Strike with Hunter Dash is one hit.
You want high damage and multiple hits to deal with elites quickly.
ionic minnow
Razor shoals is pretty nice
high island
Yeah. Breaking Wave better though.
sterile light
double KB?
high island
Razor Shoals is good for Asphodel.
ionic minnow
double KB?
That's the legendary
high island
Although ideally in Asphodel, you're killing things as they spawn.
high island
Wall slams do more damage
No, that's Typhoon's Fury lol.
ionic minnow
What the heck is breaking wave
high island
Breaking Wave is wall-slams create an AOE blast.
sterile light
^
latent moon
Close enough
ionic minnow
Ahh
high island
Breaking Wave for Styx, Razor Shoals for Asphodel and bosses.
sterile light
I still haven't finished that prophecy that you finish by talking to possy boi after EM3 theseus
no idea how to trigger it
high island
Well, Razor Shoals adds decent DPS anywhere really.
cosmic berry
bro ive been grinding hades all day today
cosmic berry
idk
over 12 thats for sure
so
after i get everybodies keepsake
is nectar just for trading?
high island
over 12 thats for sure
Do that for another 100 days and you'll catch up with me.
cosmic berry
Do that for another 100 days and you'll catch up with me. <:tizomg:4569134275883...
damn
high island
is nectar just for trading?
No, it's for gifting it for story progress.
cosmic berry
sheeesh
does improving ur relationships with gods increase that specific gods rare boon chances?
high island
No.
flat bloom
u have to buy it from the contractor
cosmic berry
i just got mad lucky
carmine cloak
I don't think you need to be "mad lucky" just to get a boon. The rates aren't that awful.
sterile light
mirror upgrades also help
cosmic berry
you dont get it
i got rare crop
EPIC
on deadly strike too
im using maxed zag bow btw
guys
would yall take
an upgrade pom or a centaur heart?
its asphodel
high island
Deadly Strike doesn't care about rarity really lol.
cosmic berry
I think you just have to press B
i dont have that
cosmic berry
Deadly Strike doesn't care about rarity really lol.
it boosts the attk
and its %
i upgraded deadly strike over battle rage too btw
high island
By negligible amounts.
cosmic berry
By negligible amounts.
its at 45% rn, epic lvl 2
and its gonna rise to heroic in a bit
over 50% seems good
though what you say is valid
most of the time it wont be as rare
high island
That's not gonna make any real difference either way. In fact, you'll probably need the same number of shots for most enemies regardless.
cosmic berry
That's not gonna make any real difference either way. In fact, you'll probably n...
hmmm
but yea
do i go for centaur heart or pom?
gray apex
A big chunk of your damage on bosses is gonna be crits
cosmic berry
A big chunk of your damage on bosses is gonna be crits
so then should i upgrade battle rage instead of deadly strike?
gray apex
Both don’t benefit much, it’s still damage, just that there are better things to pom
high island
Deadly Strike doesn't scale with poms really. It scales with Hunter's Mark, Heart Rend, and other bonus damage sources like Attack and Dash-Strike boons from Master Chaos, Well items, hammers, Hunter Dash...
cosmic berry
so just go centaur heart?
high island
Probably a good idea either way.
For new players, most reliable bow strat is just Heartbreak Strike start for good damage and Weak, then get Divine Dash and stack lots of max HP.
cosmic berry
bruuuu
high island
Plus Chaos boons for Attack and Dash-Strike damage.
high island
I mean it's not more or less advanced exactly.
cosmic berry
now imma have to level aphrodite trinket :(😭
high island
Just Weak helps a lot, and so does stacking HP and getting Divine Dash.
cosmic berry
ok
high island
Deadly Strike build would want Passion Dash from Lady Aphrodite for Heart Rend.
Can also go Divine Dash similar to Heartbreak Strike start, but then you have more or less the same build and damage but without Weak.
manic kraken
can’t wait to get home to play more hades
spent almost 50 runs getting my first win and then 2nd and 3rd were back to back lmao
manic kraken
maybe when I get back I’ll get three in a row
cyan crown
Gd luck mate
high island
Need to win first to unlock EM lol.
cosmic berry
also
luck agen
got flurry shot
gonna try to get hermes boon for speedy shots now
flat bloom
someone got a routed sub 3 run w eris rail
high island
So Hermes attack speed wont be that good
Epic Swift Strike on Flurry Shot Zag Bow is pretty great though tbh.
high island
someone got a routed sub 3 run w eris rail
That's less Eris and more the route just skipping like every encounter though lol.
flat bloom
mm
cosmic berry
guys
im missing like 124 health
so im like at 48% health
yk what
forget it
imma just go health
damn
i beat the minotaur and theseus
only one dd used
long marten
cosmic berry
😈
sad momento doe
i dont got enough for a steal
if i had 100 gems i would have been able to trade for a crystal
sad moment
i only have 56
brisk trail
Is Curse of Longing worth taking?
flat bloom
is that ares aphrodite?
i mean its not the best duo boon but yea sure u can take it if u want
flat bloom
demeter isnt exactly the best goddess
carmine cloak
Demeter isn't really trash tho.
cosmic berry
the one i got was trash
carmine cloak
What was it?
carmine cloak
What does right click do?
What aspect are you using?
I've literally never played with mkb so idk what it does. I have to assume it's attack or special, probably special, and even then the effectiveness depends on the weapon you use.
carmine cloak
That said I cannot think of a scenario where Demeter on anything is utterly bad.
peak carbon
Freeze on Lucifer aspect special maybe
carmine cloak
Depends if you pop the bubble or not.
peak carbon
should i have gone centaur?
Tbh, I always prioritise health once I have all my death defiances
peak carbon
Depends if you pop the bubble or not.
Mm
carmine cloak
If you don't pop the bubble it can be ok.
peak carbon
But if you have ~200 health and 3 defiances there's no way you will lose to Hades
Sheeeeeit I might do a run rn
carmine cloak
It's most certainly not something I'd do but you can make it work if events conspire to put Demeter on lucifer special.
peak carbon
Yea you can make it work but I would rather just have something else like ares special boon or Aphrodite special
carmine cloak
Athena might be interesting.
carmine cloak
Or Poseidon.
carmine cloak
Well the bubble would be pulsing the knockback the whole time.
carmine cloak
I'm mostly thinking from the perspective of whether it is fun.
In the case of Poseidon.
Besides Poseidon is like some others where if you invest more into the god it gets better.
It's the reason why tidal dash is universal.
I mean they all get better if you invest more, it's Zeus in particular who kinda stands out but so does Poseidon.
There's a lot of added flat damage.
There's rupture, added damage on wall slam, as well as an explosion on wall slam.
I mean this is mostly on how good tidal dash is but putting it on your main offensive skill is something that changes your play style in a fun way if you can handle it.