h1-discussion

[latent moon]

always there

[cosmic berry]

dont you have to buy well?

oh

[latent moon]

i mean if it's a contractor upgrade then buy it i dont remember

[rustic vale]

Now aphrodite wants to exchange for my flourish

[cosmic berry]

imma keep 200 on me then

[latent moon]

but like, a well should be there in the mid room between aspho and elysium

[rustic vale]

Why does every one want me to take their flourish over dionysus

[latent moon]

because it's funny

[high island]

They're just having fun.

[latent moon]

heroic aphro flourish hits hard probably

[rustic vale]

+256%

[high island]

Less talking, more focus.

Talk again after you win.

Also Acorn in Elysium, before you ask.

[rustic vale]

I wasn’t going to ask

[tropic moat]

artemis chiron bow?

[thorny mirage]

Either well of charon or the exclamation mark room in elysium

[cosmic berry]

anyways

im getting better at game

[thorny mirage]

Just had a funny Arthur run

[cosmic berry]

i beat the medusa and stone boulder taking only 10 damage 🙂

[thorny mirage]

level 14 aphro attack

[tropic moat]

holy

level 14

[brisk trail]

Level 14??

[latent moon]

arty on chiron special is good if you get aphrodite atk for heart rend

[rustic vale]

You are past diminshing returns at that point

[cosmic berry]

does electric shot spread the cast thing to everyone?

[tropic moat]

athena on attack for deadly reversal?

[cosmic berry]

im using boiling blood and wanna know if it spreads

[rustic vale]

Not as good

[tropic moat]

only the last one

[tropic moat]

sad

I don't wanna use aphrodite

[latent moon]

chiron is a relatively safe aspect, but you can if you want
but like, you dont need more crits you need bigger crits

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1057412744644669480/output.png

kinda chunky

[rustic vale]

Oh that actually

[thorny mirage]

Ok and

[rustic vale]

Looks pretty linear tf

[thorny mirage]

I said it was funny

[latent moon]

lmfao yeah it kinda linear

[rustic vale]

Aphrodite is the new dio

[brisk trail]

Does pulverizing blow also work on dash strike?

[cosmic berry]

i picked it up

[rustic vale]

No

[cosmic berry]

definitely selling i

trash boon

shoulve taken double strike instead

[rustic vale]

Yes

[cosmic berry]

i only didnt take it because my only shock boon was shock dash

[rustic vale]

Zeus cast kinda only good for tartarus

[latent moon]

zeus cast is decent if you have jolted

spreading jolted is good

[livid pulsar]

zeus cast is amazing because it owns flame wheels and i hate those things

[thorny mirage]

You want to know what else owns flame wheels

Splash dash

[tropic moat]

with demeter jolted zeus cast! and then there's bosses....

[livid pulsar]

ares dash

[thorny mirage]

Any damaging dash

[livid pulsar]

but zeus cast you press once and half of them explode instantly

it's beautiful

and if you have the one that makes it jump more it's even more fun

[tropic moat]

I used sea storm poseidon special chiron to beat 32 heat but is that any good when you have a 5 minute time limit?

[latent moon]

i always end up tanking them and i cant tell if it's because of beo bug or i just suck lmao

[thorny mirage]

I should just

[tropic moat]

how does beo bug work

[thorny mirage]

Do 16 heat rn

[latent moon]

zeus internal cooldown moment

[strong ridge]

which one

[latent moon]

when the flares pop, your dashes dont have iframes

[peak carbon]

You were right lol

This is crazy good

[thorny mirage]

Turns shield into bow

[tropic moat]

best chiron build

[livid pulsar]

bro i fat fingered the trigger and used meg to kill one lernie head at 50% hp and now i have to do phase two by myself i hate this

[latent moon]

low tolerance or heart rend

[thorny mirage]

I think artemis hates me

[latent moon]

start dio or artemis special, aphrodite atk asap, get respective duos

[tropic moat]

ok cool

will do

because he can be dangerous

and you get 5(!) summons!

[livid pulsar]

aphro attack dio special duo boon

[tropic moat]

And he's a boss so you just want to always

[strong ridge]

smack that sucker good

[thorny mirage]

His lava can be dangerous

[livid pulsar]

she can remove the armor of 4 heads at once if positioned well and i have nothing better to do with it

[latent moon]

standard meg summons for speedrunners is every miniboss, heroes, dad, and if you get an extra one, styx miniboss

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/qpW9HT5kSgZV

I feel like I understand Artemis less after looking at that diagram

[tropic moat]

dad can't be done until you get super late game. Big head is hard to meg and ely miniboss defintely doesn't need it

[thorny mirage]

Flurry shooot

[latent moon]

well what are you trying to understand

[cosmic berry]

damn

[vital tapir]

standard meg uses for me is 5 times on lernie

[cosmic berry]

im struggling with the hydra less too

[tropic moat]

tf, also I knew I wasn't the only one who likes crit lucifer!

[livid pulsar]

beowulf slicing shot

[latent moon]

ely miniboss is objectively harder than lernie lmao

[tropic moat]

Hell no!

[vital tapir]

yea what

[brisk trail]

I don't know, I think I was looking for priority, and I think that diagram shows it, it just shows it in a confusing way

[thorny mirage]

meh

[latent moon]

not with meg yeah

[thorny mirage]

Butterfly ball is alright

[vital tapir]

i die 10x more often to lernie than to bball

[thorny mirage]

and asterius is a nice warmup

[latent moon]

if we megged lernie then lernie tax wouldn't exist nearly as much but it's not worth to meg lernie

[livid pulsar]

bball is easy, it's only hard if you wanna be speedy

[vital tapir]

i do meg lernie!

[thorny mirage]

Correct reply moment

[latent moon]

priority for what lmao

[thorny mirage]

Also I can’t mod the gaem

[livid pulsar]

because people like to play the game in different ways?

[vital tapir]

that diagram shows prereqs

[brisk trail]

offering

[thorny mirage]

Don’t be a dweeb smh

[vital tapir]

it probably says so right beside the image on the wiki

[latent moon]

the highlighted box is all tier 1 boons, each arrow coming out of the t1 means that those are prereqs

[tropic moat]

when you're low health against lernie big head megging is defintely worth it

[latent moon]

and the x means you cant get it on certain aspects

[high island]

You can do high heat without TD.

[livid pulsar]

i can do tight deadline 2 while playing normally, only 3 is any sort of pressure and it's still pretty easy

[high island]

Just not very popular.

[tropic moat]

What is the lernie tax!

[vital tapir]

meg lernie is correct a lot of the time in high heat

[tropic moat]

TD?

[thorny mirage]

Tight deadline

[latent moon]

dying to lernie

[brazen aspen]

im running drunken flourish chiron and i need an artemis boon for headache duo. should i grab call or cast?

both are kinda bad but i need to fill one

[bright musk]

I cannot seem to get the waking phrase for the Lucifer aspect from Zeus I kill hades have guan yu more than five blood in it but it's just not showing up

[vital tapir]

arty call p good with hangover

[latent moon]

chiron charges call pretty fast but i'd take cast

[thorny mirage]

it’s just dialogue rn

[tropic moat]

No, the moment I started pumping tight deadline and taking off enemy defense stuff the game became soooooooooo much easier

[livid pulsar]

i meg lernie because i find the fight annoying and i'd rather spend less time there at the cost of spending more time somewhere else

[latent moon]

take td3 and take of js3 cp1 dc2 lmao

[thorny mirage]

No offense, but I didn’t ask and that wasn’t what we were talking about

[bright musk]

@thorny mirage I have done a ton of run taking to him close to like 20

[livid pulsar]

oh no i will take 5 extra seconds on bball how terrible

[strong ridge]

i always meg the floating lernie head after killing the 5 heads

[high island]

Call is fine. Put some poms on it.

[latent moon]

i mean it's possible to do all that

[thorny mirage]

Yeah it just kinda sucks

You just gotta keep trucking!

[high island]

Cast is fine, too, and don't need to pom it.

[thorny mirage]

Also dio call decent call

[peak carbon]

Ok I've been getting death defiance when I don't have it. I've run out but I keep getting one refilled and it's happened twice and idk why is this a normal glitch

[latent moon]

dio call contender for best call

[brazen aspen]

should i wait for max % on it?

[latent moon]

are you using stubborn defiance

[peak carbon]

No

[brazen aspen]

aphrodite >>>>

[peak carbon]

Using standard defiance

[livid pulsar]

did you know you can use summon on tartarus AND styx? you have more than one!

[strong ridge]

in rooms no in boss yes

[latent moon]

does it not have an infinity symbol on it

[thorny mirage]

Ain’t no way

[high island]

Yeah, in boss fights. In normal fights just call whenever.

[peak carbon]

I have Athena dash

[latent moon]

you can refill normal dd's from wells or athena

or get more from chaos

but it shouldn't refill without doing anything

[peak carbon]

I have no infinity symbol on my now empty boons

I haven't found chaos yet, nor paid for dd refill

[tulip pumice]

oh i forgot to use my companion last run

[latent moon]

dont have last stand or deathless stand?

[peak carbon]

Just a glitch I'm guessing but has this not happened to anyone else here

[latent moon]

from athena

[tulip pumice]

I still beat it though

[tropic moat]

you can get an extra dd from athena even using sttuborn defiance as long as it's already exausted for that chamber, it will refill your stubborn into an athena one then a new stubborn will become a thing

[peak carbon]

Let me check

[latent moon]

because otherwise then i'm 99% sure you're using stubborn defiance

[brisk trail]

Oh my GoD those have so much health i wish they didnt have so much health especially with calisthetnics program they have so much health for apshortdel

[latent moon]

where your DDs are supposed to be, it'll just be an infinity symbol

[tropic moat]

I think it's a glitch?

[latent moon]

probably an oversight but it works

[high island]

Summoning vs Lernie is such a waste. Dying to "Lernie tax" is such a skill issue.

[tropic moat]

although if it's not already exausted it doesn't work and it's annoying

[livid pulsar]

i dont find sneak annoying, you just have to be good at dash strikes, i usually don't summon in tart at all so i have one left

[thorny mirage]

What’s lernie tax

[brazen aspen]

should i grab rare crop in elysium?

i don't really have anything else to gain from demeter..?

[thorny mirage]

skissue

[thorny mirage]

What’s the other option

[peak carbon]

I do have deathless stand

[brazen aspen]

there's arctic blast (rare) but i only have dash with chill

[high island]

No, you do. Not me.

[livid pulsar]

yes and go all the styx rooms :B

[peak carbon]

Multiple times???

Then that can't be why

[latent moon]

are you dying in every room or something

[peak carbon]

No : (

[tropic moat]

not when running sttuborn

[strong ridge]

are you not

[brazen aspen]

hey! it affected my only common rarity boon!

[peak carbon]

I'm on Elysium I died four times

I have two dd

[livid pulsar]

chaos moment

[cosmic berry]

is draining cutter good?

[thorny mirage]

No

[latent moon]

mediocre

[livid pulsar]

only with demeter and also no

[thorny mirage]

not only with demeter

It’s just

Mid in general

[latent moon]

send a screenshot of your boon menu so we can see your mirror and health bar

[livid pulsar]

but it's way better with demeter since you usually kill with the special anyways

[cosmic berry]

imma take long knuckle then

[latent moon]

because like that shouldn't happen at all

[strong ridge]

l o n g k n u c k l e

[thorny mirage]

What’s the third?

[livid pulsar]

why not? it's possible by buying DDs from charon well, getting refills from athena and chaos legendary

[cosmic berry]

kinetic launcher

[livid pulsar]

6 DDs is not that absurd

[peak carbon]

https://imgur.com/a/D0akKQ9

[thorny mirage]

I guess?

[latent moon]

bruh you got refilled lmao

[livid pulsar]

kinetic launcher slaps with demeter

[peak carbon]

Ok I know why THAT one happened

I bought it

[livid pulsar]

kinetic launcher aphro special demeter fist is rama at home

[peak carbon]

The other time, is a mystery

[thorny mirage]

Ares attack on shield?

[latent moon]

athena refill

[thorny mirage]

Are you gunning for a duo or something

[peak carbon]

Charge shot

[latent moon]

and you have 2 to start with

[thorny mirage]

Oh

Meh

[peak carbon]

And I had terrible boon choice

It was that or extra damage once dd

[livid pulsar]

no rolls?
:megamind:

[cosmic berry]

so go long knuckle?

[peak carbon]

New save

[thorny mirage]

They can’t get ME

[rustic vale]

Fine enough for styx

[thorny mirage]

no special

[livid pulsar]

extra damage on DD is a extra 15% damage against final boss, i consider it worth it over a bad attack

[thorny mirage]

NO NO WORD!

[peak carbon]

Yes but that accounts for one not the other

[peak carbon]

I had no dd at the time

[latent moon]

you have 2 to start with, you bought a refill, and you refilled from athena
that's 4

[peak carbon]

Like I was saying, I bought that dd after I noticed it keeps disappearing

[cosmic berry]

guys?

[peak carbon]

So that's not part of the mystery here

[thorny mirage]

And tooth

[cosmic berry]

someone help me pls

[peak carbon]

That was bought after the fact

[latent moon]

oh and tooth i didnt see that

[thorny mirage]

Que

[livid pulsar]

maybe it's stubborn defiance and not death defiance and we all being played?

[latent moon]

yeah that's all accounted for

[livid pulsar]

elaborate

[latent moon]

tooth got used already as well looks like

[peak carbon]

The deathless standing, that's one extra

I still have one missing

[cosmic berry]

kinetic launcher or long knuckle?

[latent moon]

mirror shows DD

[thorny mirage]

What aspect?

[peak carbon]

It's not stubborn defiance

I legitimately just got an extra dd

[cosmic berry]

normal default

[peak carbon]

Or something

[latent moon]

you bought 1, got 1 from athena, and have one from skelly

[livid pulsar]

𝐿𝒪𝒩𝒢

[thorny mirage]

long knuckle

[cosmic berry]

ok

[livid pulsar]

kinetic is kinda mid but i like it with demeter aspect, it's funny

[peak carbon]

Bought one, got one from skelly, one from Athena,

I'm lost now

[latent moon]

how

[tropic moat]

fury sisters the boss that kills most often

[livid pulsar]

i am confusion

[high island]

Long Knuckle better than Kinetic Launcher.

[peak carbon]

The one I bought does not come into the equation

[thorny mirage]

how early in the game are you

[high island]

Kinetic is fine though.

[peak carbon]

I bought it after i noticed I got an extra dd

[latent moon]

okay fine
skelly and athena's then

you said you revived 4 times

that's 4

[peak carbon]

No, cos I got 4 revives

[latent moon]

2 base, skelly, and athena

[thorny mirage]

Yeah?

[tropic moat]

she is!

[peak carbon]

I don't have two base

[thorny mirage]

Yeah you do??

[peak carbon]

Isn't one of those empty ones a skelly tooth

[latent moon]

oh mirror shows 1

[rustic vale]

They’ve done 40 heat

[thorny mirage]

one regular and one skelly

[cosmic berry]

BRUH

[thorny mirage]

You have skelly’s keepsake on

[cosmic berry]

I WASTED 200 GOLD ON KISS OF STYX

[thorny mirage]

math checks out

[peak carbon]

Yes, so I only have one regular and then the skelly keepsake

[thorny mirage]

patty?

[cosmic berry]

AND NOW I GOT THE ELYSIUM 3 CHOICES

[latent moon]

so first base, one skelly, one from athena
you might've miscounted

[thorny mirage]

L

[cosmic berry]

F ME

bruh

[peak carbon]

It's very possible

[rustic vale]

I refuse

[cosmic berry]

if u have all dds rn

[peak carbon]

I'm gonna forget about it and assume I miscounted

[livid pulsar]

+60% damage go brrrr

[cosmic berry]

and get kiss of styx premium

does it give u 1 more?

[livid pulsar]

patty just scams you

[peak carbon]

Theseus time

[latent moon]

probably the only assumption because you dont have any chaos either so chaos DD is off the table

[thorny mirage]

If your health is mid

[cosmic berry]

isnt hydralite better?

[thorny mirage]

take hydralite

[latent moon]

unless you got 2 athena DD's and you sold it after you used the revive lmao

[thorny mirage]

If your health is fine always go cyclops jerky reee

[cosmic berry]

ok

[livid pulsar]

if that's the one that deals +60% damage than yes

[latent moon]

hydralite is healing

per room

for 5 rooms

[livid pulsar]

ah

just don't get hit

[latent moon]

jerky select is 60% more damage

depending where in ely you are rn hydralite can be good

if it's like c32 patty, hydralite can be good so you enter heroes with a lot of hp

[livid pulsar]

"just don't get hit" he says, with zero DDs and one third hp

[latent moon]

lmfao

[tropic moat]

I used to love hydralite but with stubborn you take the stubborn healing +

[latent moon]

touch of styx dark my beloved

high heat run savior

[livid pulsar]

amazing i'm already at heroes and haven't found the ONE due boon i wanted this run

[tropic moat]

NOOOO i died to whitch circle

[livid pulsar]

i just wanna do this build once and i never get it

[tropic moat]

I hate those whitches

they are the worst

garbo

THERE WAS ONLY ONE WHITCH LEFT!

[livid pulsar]

i'd rather do 3 witches circles than MM power couple

[peak carbon]

I died

Shield is so boring bruh

[high island]

Your DDs and HP don't matter if you don't get hit.

[peak carbon]

And the stupid common ares boon screwed me

[latent moon]

common doom moment

you had cshot tho lol

[peak carbon]

Common doom can suck my balls

[livid pulsar]

shieldis my least favorite weapon, i find it weird some people have it as the best

[peak carbon]

Yes but i suck

[livid pulsar]

i get that being good at blocking can make you immortal but it's just annoying

[high island]

Language, sir.

[peak carbon]

Me?

[high island]

Yes.

[latent moon]

cshot is also extremely strong

[peak carbon]

Ok I'll keep it in mind

[thorny mirage]

skill issue

[cosmic berry]

damn

even the asterius mini boss is becoming easier

i took right around less than 100 dmg against him

[peak carbon]

It's not skill so much as patience

It's just not fun

[cosmic berry]

and ive realised

his lunge is when you should attack him

[high island]

It's more than just that. Beowulf also does absurd DPS very easily.

[cosmic berry]

and u gotta jump before he does it, not while he is midair

[high island]

Zeus is incredibly pact-resistant.

[north shell]

his attack pattern is quite easy to learn imo

[high island]

Zag Shield too.

Chaos is... also a shield.

[cosmic berry]

they did that on purpose imo

[livid pulsar]

i just wanna do hunting blades hera once i never get that duo to roll

[thorny mirage]

ok yknow what

I feel like spiting

[livid pulsar]

it sounds funny

[thorny mirage]

After this run I’ll get that

[livid pulsar]

i wanna do it but i never get that duo

[thorny mirage]

immediately

Huh

[high island]

You don't learn attack patterns, you learn how he telegraphs his attacks and how to evade. There are no patterns, he picks his attacks randomly.

[livid pulsar]

i'm considering doing god legacy only for the extra duo chance so i can do the funny

[high island]

Gods' Legacy isn't bad.

[north shell]

uh yea that's what i meant, ig i just used the wrong term thanks for the correction

[high island]

Gods' Pride is the meta pick in most builds these days, but that's min-maxing. Legacy is fine, too.

[livid pulsar]

yeah but my legacy is at lvl 4 and i dont have enough darkness

and resetting everything twice is annoying

bro chaos boon dealing damage on cast but extra cast after on hera

worth or not

[high island]

Yeah, take it.

[latent moon]

just dont get hit

[peak carbon]

So if I unlock the first four weapons the fists and rail will appear after I die next run?

[high island]

I don't remember if both show up or just one and then the other, but yeah.

[latent moon]

one after the other iirc

[peak carbon]

Rail after I guess

Thanks gamers

[livid pulsar]

i get a trial between two gods whos boons i do not want and artemis is nowhere to be seen :/

[thorny mirage]

Aren’t you pushing for a duo?

[livid pulsar]

yeah

[tropic moat]

heart rend, level 3 crush shot, triple shot hammer + deadly strike and a boon that I can trash to go to the next area, god damn I'm lucky this run

[thorny mirage]

Why you taking trials if you want duos

you can’t get duos in trials

[livid pulsar]

i didn't

and it's a trial for other gods

[cosmic berry]

died to theseus

[livid pulsar]

i'm just complaining about artemis not appearing so i'll have to wait until aspho again

[cosmic berry]

i managed to kill minos and got theseus to his 2nd phase

that was mad unfair

he blocked all my attacks

[livid pulsar]

actually minos was the scientist

[umbral summit]

TIL that the stronger than usual Elite monsters (like the ones that sometimes appear in Erebus or summoned by Hades) are called Champion monsters

[tropic moat]

sweet surrender vs broken resolve

do more damage or take less damage

both at +15% right now

[livid pulsar]

sweet surrender

[tropic moat]

alright

[livid pulsar]

the weak effect on aphro is kinda mid imo, i only use it for legendary and duo effects

but sweet surrender is really good

since it increases the damage of EVERYTHING

[tropic moat]

Wait even cast?!

[livid pulsar]

everything

it increases the damage the enemy takes from all sources

even thanatos hits for more

[high island]

No, they're called superelites.

[latent moon]

Crush shot is only good on Hera, Poseidon, and Achilles

[tropic moat]

I'm on hera

[high island]

Crush Shot is good on anything.

[tropic moat]

NOOOOOO

[livid pulsar]

crush shot on talos

the roadhog build

[umbral summit]

One of the older patch notes calls the monsters Hades form 1 summons Champion monsters

[thorny mirage]

If I take

[umbral summit]

Like the Exalted Strongbows that fire 9 shots in a row compared to the 5 that normal Elite ones in Elysium do and have more HP

[thorny mirage]

ares cast

Should I put infernal or stygian soul

[tropic moat]

I beat lernie with 3 min left?!

[tropic moat]

infernal unless you want to pray for good rng

[thorny mirage]

It’s hera bow too

[livid pulsar]

i'm going infernal just so i can stack a bunch of blade rifts

[tropic moat]

Theseus 45 heat time!

I have 1 meg left

[livid pulsar]

bruh i got the artemis legendary and not the one duo i want

this is a scam

[thorny mirage]

complaining about arty legendary???

ON A CAST RUN???

[livid pulsar]

no i love it

im complaining about not getting the duo

[thorny mirage]

not a scam smh my head

[tropic moat]

Noooooooooooo

[thorny mirage]

“Instead of getting 200 dollars for free I got 190 for free!”

[tropic moat]

Damn theseus screwed me, not even the mino this time

[thorny mirage]

Anyways ez hunting blades rn

Won’t even run god’s legacy

god’s pride

[livid pulsar]

AAAHHH I FINALLY GOT IT

gaming time

[umbral summit]

Noice, Epic Greater Reflex and Rare Hyper Sprint with Gilgamesh

[livid pulsar]

and now ares legendary i take back all my complaints about this game

[high island]

Well, opening up her legendary hurt your chances of getting the duo a lot.

[livid pulsar]

i just took back all my complaints, this never happened and even if it did it wasn't an issue

[high island]

If you want a specific Duo Boon, you'd usually want to avoid opening up any other duos or legendaries.

[livid pulsar]

yeah but cast build with arty legendary equals happy

[high island]

Get the Duo Boon that's crucial to your build first, and after that you might open up others if you get the opportunity.

[livid pulsar]

i mean i got the duo like, 4 rooms before heroes, and legendary one room before that

at that point i gave up on it and just went for a normal hera cast build

and then artemis remembered that time i said shes the best mythic age god in age of mythology on reddit and blessed me

[thorny mirage]

WHAT DID I SAY

HUNTING BLADES IN ASPHODEL BABY

NEVER PUNISHED!!!

[livid pulsar]

i untake back my complaints i died to dad while he was at 20 hp

i hate this game again

[thorny mirage]

skill issue

[umbral summit]

I love Gilgamesh

https://imgur.com/iki2CWg

[thorny mirage]

Please

Please give me glacial glare

[cosmic berry]

how do i unlock aspects?

[thorny mirage]

titan blood

[rustic vale]

Need to have every weapon

[thorny mirage]

Also that

[cosmic berry]

bruh

i regret spending 5 keys on those cast talents

i dont even use them

[rustic vale]

Certain aspects rely on casts lol

[fervent jewel]

damn it theseus

robbing me of my death defiance

[cosmic berry]

omg

exograph

i just unlocked it

can it cheese theseus?

[rustic vale]

Exagryph

[rustic vale]

Wdym

[cosmic berry]

can u hide behind pillar against theseus

and bombard him around the pillar?

[umbral summit]

not really

Exagryph's range isn't the whole arena

[cosmic berry]

no i know

[umbral summit]

If you're close enough to hit him, his spear spin can hit you through the pillar

[cosmic berry]

im talking abt

when

u kill the bull

he follows u

[umbral summit]

If you're close enough to hit him with Exagryph, he's close enough to use his spear spin

Which hits through the pillar even if you're hiding

[fervent jewel]

Oh well I died to the satyrs always a pain in greek games

[cosmic berry]

do i need to do a run after unlocking all weapons to get aspects?

[thorny mirage]

I think so

[cosmic berry]

should i just let myself die in the first room then?

[thorny mirage]

Kinda boring but sure

[brazen aspen]

after getting all the renovations, do i just turn gems into keys and keys into nectar and etc etc

[umbral summit]

Assuming you actually have all renovations (as opposed to only having all the ones available), and you're not interested in getting ranks later

[cosmic berry]

is aspect of chiron the best bow aspect?

[carmine cloak]

It will be a very long time until you need no resources whatsoever.

I just unlocked a bunch of themes which cost a fortune.

And i haven't even used the resource director.

I have a feeling I will in fact be done with blood and ambrosia long before I'm done with gemstones.

[carmine cloak]

Depends on your preferences. A lot of people like Zagreus better than Chiron lol.

Some people swear by Rama, others by Hera.

[cosmic berry]

i maxed zagreus

[high island]

No. But it's easy to play.

Hera is best for speed, Rama is best for high heat.

[cosmic berry]

i took zagreus aspect instead

i maxed it

quickly realized how good it is

[high island]

You can check my newbie aspect leveling guide that's pinned in #h1-for-new-players when you're not sure what to upgrade.

[cosmic berry]

ok

also

bruh

im in a crossroads

2 good artemis talents

one is a higher rarity than the other

but the one with the lower rarity i use WAY more

[brazen aspen]

which ones?

[cosmic berry]

common deadly strike

epic hunter dash

[high island]

Take dash.

[cosmic berry]

i barely use dash doe

thats the issue

for dash

is there a time limit to be considered a dash attack?

[brazen aspen]

make a habit of dashing

[high island]

Yes, but it's pretty lenient.

[brazen aspen]

you'll pick it up really quickly

[high island]

Indeed.

[rustic vale]

Zag is stronk

💪

[cosmic berry]

yea

esp since im leveling up artemis trinket

[rustic vale]

That’s an issue

[high island]

Zag Bow is one of the best Zag Aspects. The other is Zag Shield.

[cosmic berry]

i only dash to escape mainly

[rustic vale]

Zag rail is also pretty sweet

[rustic vale]

It’s a dps tool for like every aspect

[high island]

Not as good as those two.

[rustic vale]

Agreed

[high island]

Eris with -75% damage.

[rustic vale]

But I think it comes in 3rd

[rustic vale]

But spreadfire

Shotgun rail funny

[dull niche]

zag rail has double the bullets that means double the damage

[rustic vale]

I think zag rail comes 3rd in term of zag aspects

It’s far behind zag shield and zag bow but better then zag sword/spear/fists

Imo

[cosmic berry]

do aspects count as different weapons for titans blood/diamonds?

[high island]

No.

[cosmic berry]

bruuuuuu

[high island]

No, it doesn't work like Twin Shot sadly.

I would say so, yeah.

[rustic vale]

Zag sword probably comes in last
Zag spear is nice but hammer dependent

[high island]

Zag Sword is the best sword for the Legend of Persephone challenge.

[rustic vale]

[icy knoll]

i'd say that depends on whether you're talking about speed or heat

[rustic vale]

I’d say it doesn’t

[high island]

Yeah, it doesn't.

[icy knoll]

aspect of cshot isn't great when you're speedrunning, you really have to rely on smair, which any wep can do

meanwhile zag rail can be played as slightly worse eris and be perfectly fine

and rn zag fist is above zag bow on src (barely)

[rustic vale]

For which category?

[icy knoll]

modded any heat

the active one

[latent moon]

to be fair

zag fist can abuse ME lmao

for like

[icy knoll]

zag fists is a bogstandard me build which is great to speedrun but awful for heat

[latent moon]

general use, zag bow is probably more consistent tho

[frank torrent]

zagreus just met a bear

[icy knoll]

i mean there's very little aspect ranking for "general use", everything works

[cosmic berry]

unlocked my first heroic boon

[rustic vale]

Well
Consistently being able to do good with zag bow without having to rely on a specific duo

[cosmic berry]

eurydice upgraded my epic boon

is there sum special abt heroic boons?

[rustic vale]

They’re just more potent

That’s how rarity works

It just makes a boon stronger at what it does

[brazen aspen]

is legendary between epic and heroic

[icy knoll]

legendary is its own type of boon

[rustic vale]

Legendary isn’t that type of boon

[icy knoll]

every god has one legendary (2 exceptions) they can give out

e.g. chaos has a legendary that gives you a death defiance, zeus has a legendary that sends a projectile after every lightning bolt

[bronze forge]

Technically speaking, you don’t need more ambrosia than the number of npcs right?

[frank torrent]

what's a good combo for 5 heat?

[icy knoll]

get used to em2, maybe 2 points of hard labor or middle management

or underworld customs

[high island]

Doesn't really tell you anything when there's like no new submissions for either.

It's up there as one of the aspects for killing Skelly.

I did say one.

[bronze forge]

Gotchu

[cosmic berry]

exagryph is a ares/dyonysus weapon, right?

also damn

i just unlocked acorn

it seems op

[rustic vale]

HL or MM or UC are a bit much for that early

Just throw on like td1 and something else for 1 extra heat

[icy knoll]

very good for ely and styx, one if the best keepsakes

[cosmic berry]

idk what rotation to use for keepsakes

god keepsake -> acorn?

what abt skelly doe

[high island]

Lightning Strike > Tidal Dash and Static Discharge.

[cosmic berry]

skelly keepsake is also really good

[high island]

Poms on Tidal Dash and 2-3 on Static Discharge.

[cosmic berry]

so its a zeus weapon?

hmmmm

[high island]

I don't know if thinking of weapons in that way is helpful tbh.

[cosmic berry]

hmm

the way im thinking is

separate weapons into godss

for example

[bronze forge]

Can you explain again why acorn is better than toothy

[cosmic berry]

bow -> artemis

[high island]

You'll always want multiple gods in your builds.

[brazen aspen]

acorn blocks more dmg overall than toothy assuming ur fighting dad

[cosmic berry]

so you should switch to acorn instead of toothy once you unlock acorn?

[bronze forge]

Each of his hits are more than 20 dmg?

[icy knoll]

tooth can be great for elysium if you're afraid of the enemies there

[high island]

Hourglass and Acorn much better in Elysium.

[brazen aspen]

there's 40 damage hits in there

[bronze forge]

I guess that makes sense

[brazen aspen]

and if you get hit by the green shot, its 80 dmg

[bronze forge]

And yeah elysium sometimes gives me a hard time

[bronze forge]

The wave thingy?

[brazen aspen]

no the green thing that turns into a skull that shoots the wave

[cosmic berry]

i think i made a mistake

[bronze forge]

Oh the direct projectile

[cosmic berry]

i got hammer and chose seeking fire

[bronze forge]

Ok I’m convinced

[high island]

Seeking Fire isn't very good, yeah.

[bronze forge]

Rn I’m low heat cuz I wanna finish the fates and max the keepsakes but I’ll rock acorn eventually

[cosmic berry]

ig im learning since i was able to figure out it was bad on my own at first

[icy knoll]

seeking fire is useless if you have aim at cursor off

[cosmic berry]

i have a pc so seeking fire useless

[high island]

Not entirely useless. Seeking Fire has a little bit of homing that can help.

But it's not very strong either way.

[raw herald]

Seeking fire sucks

[bronze forge]

Also

[cosmic berry]

Also

I noticed

[bronze forge]

Aw shi

[cosmic berry]

Seeking fire bullets pierce and go to another enemy

[bronze forge]

Go ahead

[cosmic berry]

I got ligjtning strike too

Does that stack w lightning strike?

[rustic vale]

Bullets only pierce if you have piercing fire iirc

[cosmic berry]

Oh

Guess the enemies were dead alr when i shot those then

[rustic vale]

I also don’t know how lightning strike works with ricochet fire or explosive fire, like if it proc’s multiple times or what

[high island]

If you get that, it clears 40 Heat Zeus with Drunken Flourish for you.

I believe.

[brazen aspen]

can i get crush shot just for the smoldering air duo boon, then sell crush shot and keep smolderin air/

[latent moon]

Yes

[cosmic berry]

if i give someone who i alr have their keepsake a nectar

will the keepsake evolve a level for free?

[high island]

No.

[cosmic berry]

does flurry fire work with tracking shot?

[brazen aspen]

there's 4 duo boons that i'm searching for (i should be able to get them) but after a dozen boons, i'm still empty. am i doing something wrong? is there some limit to duo boons that i'm not aware of?

[high island]

There's no limit, no.

[cosmic berry]

nya?

does it work w it?

[high island]

Not really sure what you're asking tbh.

Flurry Fire isn't very good anyway.

[cosmic berry]

its only explosive fire and targeting system that are my options beside it

dont seem good tbh

[tropic moat]

targeting system isn't that good

[cosmic berry]

except maybe explosive

[high island]

Targeting System is great.

Take that.

[tropic moat]

that's the people in special are slower right?

[cosmic berry]

does it work on bosses?

[high island]

Yes.

[cosmic berry]

does it stack?

[high island]

Yes.

[cosmic berry]

do the stacks expire?

[high island]

The slow isn't too important, it gives global bonus damage.

Oh you mean stack with itself. No.

[tropic moat]

I mean... i don't notice it like ever. I might not have enough experience with it

[cosmic berry]

oh

[high island]

If you play on pad btw, you'll want to remap Reload to L1/LB when playing rail.

[cosmic berry]

i play on kb/m

pc player

[high island]

Well, you can play on PC and still on pad.

[cosmic berry]

fair

[high island]

Like all the cool people.

The way you play rail is basically you hold Attack and dash aggressively into your enemies with Tidal Dash. And whenever you reload, you press Special at the same time.

[brazen aspen]

for pc players, do you dash on mouse or on keeb?

[latent moon]

Kb

[brazen aspen]

i played a lot of league in the past so i'm using mouse but i'm realizing it really messes with aiming when using rail so i'm consideirng swapping to keeb..

[latent moon]

Default is space but I remapped to shift

dash at cursor sucks lol

[brazen aspen]

i'll try it on keyboard a bit. my concern at the beginning was that it's less directionally free

[latent moon]

Eh kb directions are enough

I've never had any problems

[brazen aspen]

hmm would it be weird to have dash on mouse but not on cursor

[latent moon]

Top players also use kb dash

[frank torrent]

what's a good pact for 5 heat?

[high island]

Do whatever works for you.

[high island]

Do whatever works for you.

[latent moon]

Heat pact guide is pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[frank torrent]

thx

[brazen aspen]

timer is usually pretty easy

[high island]

5 is good for just experimenting with the pact.

[frank torrent]

true

i don't think i've actually used MM before

[high island]

There's a prophecy for getting a clear with each pact (not all at once), so if you haven't done that yet, that'd be a good goal.

[tropic moat]

Why is hermes always there as the first asphodel thing

[high island]

Gives lots of Titan Blood.

[frank torrent]

oh yeah, i do need that one

not sure which ones i've done tho

[high island]

You can check the fated list of minor prophecies.

[frank torrent]

got cshot as my first hammer which is nice

[high island]

Charged Shot will most certainly help with the charged-shotting.

There is no Charged Shot like Charged Shot.

[tropic moat]

what weapon for S-mair

[cosmic berry]

guys is there a mirror of night guide?

[tropic moat]

I want to use eris for the free +30% damage but it's painful to not have zeus on attack even for a little bit

[tropic moat]

preference and build

it's pretty well balanced

[cosmic berry]

ik but im assuming some talents are way better than their counterparts

[frank torrent]

3:38 tartarus clear, i think that's the fastest i've ever done it

[tropic moat]

god damn it lernie killed me

[high island]

Try the one I linked for you yesterday.

Mirror guide: #h1-for-new-players message

[brazen aspen]

yo is the ding sound for fish???

omg

i keep missing fish on my way out

i'm 42 hours in

[tropic moat]

ok fine that one is really bad

[high island]

That sounds normal lol.

[tropic moat]

what weapon for smoldering air!

[mental vale]

any

[brazen aspen]

any! what call?

fists

[high island]

Olympian Favor is pretty good.

[mental vale]

clearly aphro call is the best for smair

[high island]

Problem is that Dark Foresight is too broken.

[brazen aspen]

does hades work well with smair?

[high island]

So it doesn't matter what's on the other side of Dark Foresight.

[mental vale]

can you even get smair with hades call

[tropic moat]

wait olympain favor isn't bad at all!

gods legacy vs the other option

[high island]

It works if you go back to version 1.0.

[cosmic berry]

so yea i read and based on it

[mental vale]

theyre both fine depending on build

[cosmic berry]

im running family favorite and dark foresight

and the rest are red talents

but

i dont understand what he said abt shadow presence

i dont have the 30 key talents yet

im using bow

bow op

we stan bow

[high island]

Malphon also uses Fiery.

tl;dr is just use Fiery Presence tbh.

[latent moon]

Special can oneshot tart enemies

[high island]

Faster Tartarus.

[frank torrent]

well there goes my fast run... just took a chaos boon that damages me when i attack

[high island]

Just keep attacking yeah.

[cosmic berry]

whats best weapon?

does coronacht use fiery or does it use shadow?

[brazen aspen]

AHHH witches arena on fists without deflect god help me

[cosmic berry]

i dont like rail

[high island]

Fiery Presence.

[cosmic berry]

the reload screws me over

[latent moon]

Learn to manage ammo lol

[frank torrent]

wait what

damn

[latent moon]

Or play hestia so you always know when to reload

[frank torrent]

that good to know

[high island]

Manage ammo? What? Just unload, then reload + special and unload again.

[brazen aspen]

just died to lava T_T

[high island]

Well.

You didn't.

That's impossible.

[frank torrent]

i just lost 2 death defied's to lava

because i was on 1hp from the curse

[cosmic berry]

what are the nature of aphrodites boons?

[latent moon]

The devs didn't rerecord all the lines to change lava to magma for you guys to call it lava

Smh

[frank torrent]

is it actually called magma? i didn't even notice

[latent moon]

I mean when people started playing and got to aspho everyone accidentally went into magma lmao

[high island]

Yes.

[latent moon]

Idk I heard it from someone else here

Aight yes

[frank torrent]

lmao

i've never been paying attention when they mention it

[high island]

And they did in fact rerecord the "lava" lines to "magma" when it was pointed out in early access.

[frank torrent]

omfg they actually rerecorded everything? that's impressive

[high island]

No, because you stepped on the magma.

[brazen aspen]

the devs are the voice actors

[frank torrent]

2hp total lost during the hydra fight wouldn't normally kill me

[frank torrent]

still, rerecording every line after the entirety of asphodel was released?

[high island]

It was you who stepped on magma. The curse didn't make you do it.

[frank torrent]

the curse did cause me to be in a situation where i'd die from the magma

[brazen aspen]

not saying its not impressive, but it's a lot more feasible when you have that type of freedom

[high island]

No. You'd only die from magma if you stepped on it.

Therefore, the curse is not the reason.

[frank torrent]

so then what caused me to be in that situation where i was on 1hp so the magma could kill me?

[high island]

You.

[frank torrent]

me... doing what i was told by people here and continuing to attack?

[latent moon]

I would've said to just not get hit

[high island]

You caused yourself to be in a situation where magma could kill you by stepping on it.

[rustic vale]

You’re the one who stepped in magma

[frank torrent]

i didn't get hit by the boss all fight

[high island]

No one told you to step on magma.

[rustic vale]

I would keep attacking with the chaos curse and then not step in magma personally

[frank torrent]

yes, by causing a curse of chaos to deal damage to me

[frank torrent]

i mean that would've been preferable

but it's a bit late to telll me that now

[high island]

You probably would step on magma, let's be honest.

[rustic vale]

I rarely step in magma if it’s not to reset an sd

[high island]

Rarely is not never.

You would get like a super amazing build on 40 Heat.

And then tell us all about it, grinning.

[latent moon]

Got hit by magma tho

[high island]

And then...

"I stepped on magma. "

[rustic vale]

I will

Never let that happen

[latent moon]

Tbf he's not running hs so it's not too bad lol

[frank torrent]

yeah, literaly the only times i have actually lost a DD to magma is twice this run

[high island]

Well, you're still alive.

What's the point of having DDs if you're not gonna use them.

[frank torrent]

not like i've used one in a run in a while, might as well make the most of them

[high island]

Exactly.

[frank torrent]

as i say that i lose one to a whole lot of shield guys

[high island]

Good.

You had 3, so you're gonna use 3.

[frank torrent]

theseus killed me becuase he's dumb and apparently ares lets him inflict doom

and hypnos didn't bother commenting on it thank god

[high island]

Hmmm I wonder who the first person in the server was who did that. Probably @rose trellis.

[high island]

Just need to get stronger builds so you can kill them faster.

[frank torrent]

i can't get a stronger build when i don't see a god except for hermes in all of elysium... this run will be better

[high island]

Well, build should already be online by then, ideally.

[frank torrent]

yeah, you'd hope

took 4 artemis boons in aspho and didn't see mirage shot once

or her legendary for that matter

[tropic moat]

is poseidon good for S-mair?

[rose trellis]

I think I picked it up from Wriste13 if I remember correctly but I'm sure others utilized it even before that.

[tropic moat]

exploding launcher broken it's sooo fun

[cosmic berry]

guys acorn is better than teeth right?

[flat bloom]

yes

[flat bloom]

uhhh-

[tropic moat]

No?

[flat bloom]

acorn is better than tooth

[tropic moat]

Ehhh

maybe against hades?

[flat bloom]

acorn is normally the keepsake taken in elysium and styx

sometimes hourglass is taken in ely

[tropic moat]

Acorn I'm still trying out, it's level 1 so only 3 hits blocked but it seems pretty good. But not like thaaaat good

But they're aren't many great non god keepsakes so I get it

but skelly better

and if not cerebus collar

[cosmic berry]

guys

can greater evasion be upgraded?

[tropic moat]

nop

[cosmic berry]

can the rarity be upgraded?

[tropic moat]

yes

common is 20% epic is 40% (I think)

[cosmic berry]

they nerfed it then

rare is only 15%

still picking it up doe

[tropic moat]

maybe the 20 40 is for move speed

there's a reason I said I think lol

[cosmic berry]

its still worth getting doe

right?

[high island]

Greater Evasion is fine. What are the other options?

[cosmic berry]

greater haste and greatest reflex

[high island]

Greatest Reflex is way better.

[cosmic berry]

ok

OMG

I GOT

DIVINE DASH

AND I HAVE GREATEST REFLEX ALR

[flat bloom]

acorn saves more health at max

especially in hades fight

[tropic moat]

makes sense sure, maybe I should use it more. But also it can totally just sometimes be cheesed by small attacks

like hades summons dudes that can easily waste it

[cosmic berry]

can chain shot crit?

[high island]

Sure.

[cosmic berry]

damn

i made this build

imo its mid

maybe double shot can save it

if i get it

nyanya

ik u dont like when i do this but

i have to choose between triple shot and duo shot

and im using chain shot

its a crit build

nvm

ill just go duo

[rustic vale]

Do you know?

[cosmic berry]

yea duo shot was the call

[high island]

Twin Shot is way better, yeah.

Chain Shot kinda sucks tbh.

[high island]

Why would Lightning Strike + Explosive Fire proc multiple times?

[cosmic berry]

its working for me

its spreading crits

so

sometimes

the person i shoot at initially

gets marked by hunters mark too

[high island]

I mean, bow attack already pierces and can hit multiple enemies.

[cosmic berry]

faiiiir

[high island]

Twin Shot just straight-up doubles your damage.

[rustic vale]

Does lightning strike not prok per hit or is it just first target hit per attack hit

[cosmic berry]

that too

[high island]

Oh you mean if Lightning Strike procs on all enemies that are hit in Explosive Fire AOE?

Or if it's just the enemy that's hit directly.

I dunno.

The answer is don't pick Explosive Fire.

[rustic vale]

Yeah
Same with ricochet

[high island]

Ricochet Fire + Lightning Strike should proc chain lightning on both enemies that are hit.

Didn't go out to directly verify it, but like 99.9% sure.

[cosmic berry]

omg

this dash build going crazy

i just got hyper sprint too

[frank torrent]

i couldn't get artemis to give me attack till the very end of elysium

i had one core boon till then

[cosmic berry]

sad momento

[high island]

Man, modded 46 Zag Bow felt no different from unmodded 32 really.

[rustic vale]

Rad thnx

[rustic vale]

[frank onyx]

Which god has the best buffs (idk what theyre called im new)

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite, naturally.

[cosmic berry]

what core boons can athena give?

[latent moon]

Depends on build and weapon

[latent moon]

All

[cosmic berry]

i have a room choice between an athena boon or an upgrade

[frank onyx]

Wdym by build

[cosmic berry]

i alr have her dash

idk if theres anything else i might want from her

[high island]

Well, then go and find out.

[latent moon]

Some gods are useless in certain builds but good in others

[frank torrent]

and a certain arrogant someone left his spear behind

[high island]

You'll have to be more specific.

[latent moon]

Like if I'm doing heart rend on nemesis I don't want to see ares

[frank torrent]

wait hades can leave his behind?

[latent moon]

But for merciful end ares is great

[frank torrent]

i didn't even know that was possible

[high island]

EM4 only.

[latent moon]

Em4 has a spear throw

So it'll work

[frank torrent]

oooooh

[cosmic berry]

breeeeeeh

[frank torrent]

that makes sense

[frank onyx]

What about if i use the shield weapon

[cosmic berry]

i found blinding flash

[frank torrent]

i only have a single weapon that i could use EM4 on without exceeding heat

[cosmic berry]

i just dont know

if blinding flash interacts with athena dash

[high island]

If it didn't, it wouldn't be offered.

[cosmic berry]

does it?

ok

[high island]

Blinding Flash isn't too great tbh. What are the other options?

[cosmic berry]

divine flourish and athena aid

not too good

[high island]

Call is fine.

[cosmic berry]

calls are weak in general imo

[rustic vale]

Do you mean Boons? Or status curses

[cosmic berry]

they reset after each room

[frank onyx]

Boons

[rustic vale]

Your opinion is objectively wrong

[frank torrent]

they're absolutely not lmao

[high island]

“Athena Call is food.”—@brisk trail, 2022

[cosmic berry]

half the time i let them expire

[rustic vale]

Use small calls

[bright musk]

Hey for the secret aspects do I have to do them in some kind of order after the spear

[high island]

Nope. Requirements for hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

[rustic vale]

You need guan-yu revealed first then can get all the rest

[frank torrent]

any order, just have enough blood invested

[frank onyx]

Which god boons are best for the shield weapon thing

[rustic vale]

Depends on the aspect

[frank torrent]

what aspect?

[high island]

There's a newbie build guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players.

[frank onyx]

No like which god does the shield benign the most from

[high island]

There's a newbie build guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players.