h1-discussion

[latent moon]

I mean sure

Talos still sucks tho lmao

[carmine cloak]

I mean at worst it's just twin fists?

[latent moon]

Yeah but it's also fists lmao

[carmine cloak]

Hestia Rail seems underwhelming at low blood.

[latent moon]

Yeah

Starts at 50 or something

Pretty pitiful

I'd say lvl 3 is usable

[carmine cloak]

It's the only aspect I've used so far that just feels like I should use the weapon normally.

No doubt at max it's different.

[latent moon]

Without reloading every shot?

I mean if it's level 1 then yeah probably fair

Otherwise if you do that at like lvl 5 then that's just a waste of titan blood

[carmine cloak]

No I mean specifically at low blood

Other aspects at least still give you some results with their gimmicks.

Poseidon still lets you exploit exit wounds for example.

[latent moon]

Some aspect gimmicks need good levels in them yeah

Hestia luci to name a few

[carmine cloak]

And Achilles gives a decent buff even at base.

[latent moon]

50% I think?

Chiron needs good levels or relentless volley

[carmine cloak]

Lucifer can be played like a better lightning rail at the very least.

[latent moon]

Eh

Not really considering that the special does bad damage

At that point max zag rail is better for cheaper

[carmine cloak]

The only thing that goes up with lucifer is the special damage isn't it?

[silent willow]

Fists are fun tbh

[latent moon]

Luci special is strong

[latent moon]

They're fun if the build goes right lol

[carmine cloak]

The firing rate of the attack is higher.

[silent willow]

And I am slowly beginning to like Rail despite the accuracy issues

[latent moon]

Iirc dash strikes on rail makes bullets shoot faster. Luci cannot dash strike lol
Also you'd actually have a special that does damage on zag rail

[carmine cloak]

I don't even know how to use the special very well. The beam doesn't snap to the balls.

[latent moon]

Also clockets are on the table

[latent moon]

Dash into it

You'll either shoot it or have a damaging dash

[latent moon]

Are you on kbm?

[silent willow]

mhm mhm

[carmine cloak]

Do you have aim assist on?

[latent moon]

Turning off aim at cursor makes you not miss

[silent willow]

I use aspect of eris since I have to be right next to enemies or else it won't hit them, and even then it sometimes misses stationary enemies right in front of me, which is a true rail moment

[silent willow]

Usually off, on specifically for rail

[silent willow]

Will try that thanks

[latent moon]

Aim assist should be on lmao

Turn on aim assist, turn off aim at cursor

[silent willow]

What does turning it off do, even?

[latent moon]

Makes it hit the enemy lmao

Snaps onto them

You'd have to get relatively close still

But at least you won't miss lol

[polar root]

so heres the thing

I made a new save

and beat hades in about 2 hours

I introduce to you: Flurry jab.

[marble mesa]

Rama strong, didn't expect that

[polar root]

it issss

what hammers did you get

[carmine cloak]

The three way shot thing on Rama is nuts.

[marble mesa]

three way and pointblank hammers

[timber tapir]

What is the max level for weapon aspects?

[cedar folio]

level 5

[timber tapir]

thanks

[polar root]

best ones

absolutely shredded hades I assume?

[marble mesa]

not yet, but shredded champions

[coarse iris]

here's a rough review I just had of Hades while I gushed to a friend about it.

as much as I love the gameplay, I felt connected to everything else more

the soundtrack, the characters and their respective personalities, the voice acting, the story, the art direction.

gripping stuff

not my favorite gameplay in a game, and that's okay.
it's still extremely solid fun and fast-paced. keeps me engaged and I don't really get bored of it. carries the story

doesn't necessarily make me thrilled or feel badass, as other games have. I thrive off of gameplay that makes me feel that way.
because if you get the right builds, it's considerably easier to take down baddies, so then it's not as skill-based...
and I'd consider myself to have a pretty good understanding of the core gameplay mechanics
I'd say I'm pretty skilled

[high island]

Getting strong builds is a skill.

[coarse iris]

so yee 🤧 if a game makes you overpowered it's not as fun
but hey it's a rogue-lite and that's the premise and spirit of it.
to aspire to get overpowered builds

well it takes game knowledge, yes

experience-wise, the gameplay is no less than an 8/10 for me
everything else is a 10/10 🤧

[high island]

You can try to get "overpowered builds" in high heat and see how far that takes you.

[coarse iris]

yeah high heat

[polar root]

laughs in beo

[coarse iris]

take note that I didn't take that into consideration

[marble mesa]

shredded ain't strong enough, annihilated is better

[coarse iris]

just kinda talking about base game, really

[polar root]

sounds gooddd

now go annihilate dad

sounds odd out of context.

[high island]

Yeah, vast majority of players can't do 50+ with Beowulf either.

[polar root]

(I consider 32 heat high shhh)

[high island]

32 is chill.

[polar root]

For god gamers like you

sure

We all are my friend

hades 2 gon be pog

[coarse iris]

lol I deleted it and posted it to #h2-discussion where it belongs 🤧

[polar root]

all good

[cyan jolt]

I think I cleared 32 heat once

With beo

Or another shield aspect

[polar root]

beo best weapon in game

mostly because

big number = big happi for me

[mighty hornet]

does than's keepsake buff carry on over regions?

[high island]

Yes. But you lose the damage bonus if you change keepsakes.

[bold kayak]

I almost managed my first 32 heat clear yesterday, made it to Hades 2nd Phase!

Using Demeters First with Merciful end

[carmine cloak]

Isn’t Excalibur big numbers?

Testing on Skelly I did like 300 to the back on the third swing?

[tired karma]

Do u think hades is the best game of all time

[carmine cloak]

It is most certainly the game ever made.

It has game mechanics and a story, and especially the music is.

People spent time in a studio to produce voiced lines.

The game also has both 3D and 2D artwork.

What I’m trying to say is, I don’t really do the ‘best game ever’ thing. But I have a lot of fun with this game.

[strong hearth]

Hades has a wide appeal for sure

Casual gamers will like the forgiving death mechanic and replay value, power gamers will like all the crazy builds and self imposed challenge, and then there's the horny crowd

Yknow

[long marten]

The bonk victims?

[tired karma]

This game doesn't have much sexual content for that crowd

[bold kayak]

But it has hot characters for them to thirst over

[wild dagger]

heyo

just got the triple bomb

if i get another dadelaus hammer can i keep quiting and reentering until i get the upgrade which throws 5 bombs at once ?

would be cool

[wild dagger]

mods😈

[carmine cloak]

You don’t need to make such artwork yourself, just provide the material.

[carmine cloak]

I noticed that the amount of casts that are only okay by default but become kreygasm with a duo boon is... Almost all of them?

Would you run legacy for cast builds?

[wild dagger]

dunno

[brazen aspen]

what does curse of longing duo do?

i have doom on special and weak on attack. do i inflict doom dmg every attack?

[lethal hound]

hey guys i have a question

after unlocking guan yu hidden aspect

is there an order to how i need to unlock them

oh

so i can just unlock the lucifer or bow aspect after unlocking spear?

that makes things much easier

[brazen aspen]

is the legendary fishing boon particularly good or is it better as gold?

[carmine cloak]

I would never reset a run. If a build requires multiple resets it's not a good build.

?? Who's talking about speedrunning?

Fishing boon is only good if you want fish.

If you don't want fish it's useless.

[brazen aspen]

surface fish?

[carmine cloak]

Fish from the surface.

[brazen aspen]

u can fish on the frozen overlook?

[carmine cloak]

There's only one screen that can spawn fishing points on the surface.

[brazen aspen]

ok that's pretty cool

[carmine cloak]

The arena is the only room post credits.

But I'm not speedrunning.

Well yeah but most people will get to the credits eventually so functionally there's only one room.

Well that is what my question was originally about.

Can I make slicing shot work without duos?

It's just an example.

The artemis one I assume?

The aphrodite one is weird.

Why does trippy shot specifically recommend stygian? Is there no benefit from casting more often? The damage is fairly high isn't it?

No I meant the artemis duo boon.

Oh so you actually get a better rate of fire with stygian.

Is lightning rod any good?

So basically it won't hurt to take it most of the time.

Are there any noteworthy legendaries that are run defining?

[wicked ravine]

I've just got the Pact of Punishment. If I raise the heat beyond the point needed to get bounties, and get those bounties, do I lose the lower heat bounties?

[carmine cloak]

No, you always get the bounty for your lowest uncompleted tier.

[brazen aspen]

when it says my special is faster on bow, does that mean the projectile faster or the reload/stand still animation is shorter?

[wicked ravine]

Fantastic, thanks

[carmine cloak]

So if you're at heat 1, even if you play at heat 32 you will still get rewards for heat 1 until you beat dad.

Then heat 2, 3, etc.

Your heat needs to be at that level or higher.

[rustic vale]

Splitting bolt for zeus builds and that’s about it

[rustic vale]

The exception to this is 0 heat

[carmine cloak]

Splitting bolt is run defining?

[rustic vale]

it can be on zeus builds

[carmine cloak]

Yeah but if you don't beat 0 heat you can always go back to 0 heat.

[rustic vale]

And it’s arguably the only legendary that is run defining

[carmine cloak]

Is there anything that changes about the way you play other than you get even more lightning bolts?

[rustic vale]

Nope

I mean if that’s your definition of run defining, then blackout exists

[carmine cloak]

Well it's like

You can't really play merciful end without merciful end.

And an aphro crit build loses much damage without heart rend.

[brazen aspen]

what would you say is stronger, epic drunken flourish or heroic deadly flourish?

going for chiron build

[carmine cloak]

At first glance drunken flourish in any form sounds better than deadly flourish if you play chiron.

[brazen aspen]

drunken is 100 dps at 5 stacks, deadly is flat out +125% special dmg and +20% crit

[carmine cloak]

125%? That can't be right.

[brazen aspen]

where can i post screenshot

[carmine cloak]

Oh

It's heroic.

I didn't realize rarity made such a huge difference.

[brazen aspen]

yeah, it looks really good, but hangover also has the added benefit that i can proc the +40% privlegdged buff

so i'm debating

[carmine cloak]

Well the thing is, the effectiveness of artemis is roughly the same whether you are slow hitting or fast hitting.

Dionysus scales better with fast attacks.

[brazen aspen]

bow is kinda in between?

ig the special is considered pretty fast

[carmine cloak]

At max level Chiron is 80 damage.

With Heroic Artemis that's ~200 plus a chance for any individual hit to crit.

So on average that would make it around ~260 damage per salvo.

[raw herald]

What hammers do you have?

[brazen aspen]

twin shot and conc volley

[carmine cloak]

Epic drunken flourish would be 80 damage per salvo plus 70 damage per second.

And this is just at base.

[raw herald]

Arty special would have been more DPS then

Since conc volley

[carmine cloak]

A pom adds 10 damage per second to drunken flourish.

[brazen aspen]

i ended up going w arty

[raw herald]

Dio would have been safer tho

[brazen aspen]

just bc she's my fav goddess and for no numerical reason

[carmine cloak]

Of course, Artemis benefits from added arrows, Dio does not.

But in terms of raw pom scaling, Dio would easily beat out Artemis.

Hammers can really change that tho.

[brazen aspen]

tryna get dio +4 arrows

[carmine cloak]

Hangover caps at 5 and you have 8 arrows.

Unless at min level.

[brazen aspen]

max lv

artemis seems to be working well though, got thru elysium oneshotting most things

[carmine cloak]

Well, additive damage isn't bad on anything.

It's just that when we're talking about rapid hits, flat damage is better.

Rapid hits also tends to have less base dps than slow hitters.

So flat damage scales it much better to begin with.

Which brings the cap to 8.

Still 8 arrows.

It is in fact the perfect weapon for a hangover build.

How good is Hades call meta wise?

Really?

I know it's a beefy global buff. But I assume that works better with flat builds in particular?

[rustic vale]

I mean low tolerance, which you build for on dio builds anyways, boosts it to 8

[rustic vale]

It’s good for like beowulf and hera

[carmine cloak]

Yeah but my argument is that there's little reason to go over 8 arrows for hangover.

Why beowulf?

[rustic vale]

Yes… but relentless also benefits you more if you find concentrated

[rustic vale]

Because of the damage boost

[carmine cloak]

Oh so what it REALLY benefits is large numbers you can concentrate in a single burst.

For builds that just deal consistent damage it's just a regular buff, but for bursty builds you just kinda make it all overlap.

[rustic vale]

otherwise zeus call and dio call are still on par with it I think

[carmine cloak]

Does Hades call work with smoldering air?

Since it caps the gauge to 25 but you need 50 to fill a segment normally.

Does a crush shot Hera build rely on any duos?

[brazen aspen]

still don't understand what swift flourish does. does it make the projectile faster or animation faster?

[carmine cloak]

Oh sorry

[rustic vale]

No

[rustic vale]

Depends on the weapon

[brazen aspen]

bow

[carmine cloak]

I think it doesn't hurt to try it.

[rustic vale]

It makes it so that the special takes less time to complete

[carmine cloak]

I would assume it means Zag is animation locked for less time in any case.

[raw herald]

Epic swift flourish is broken with conc volley btw

[rustic vale]

Know this because of chiron
Common Swift flourish lets you fit 4 specials in before the thing ends compared to 3
Epic swift flourish allows you to keep the concentrated volley bonus stacking inbetween flourishes

[carmine cloak]

Does Dio really benefit from concentrated volley?

[rustic vale]

Yes

It’s free damage

[carmine cloak]

It adds a cascading 4 damage per hit right?

[rustic vale]

3

Not 4

[carmine cloak]

Ok

That's some complicated math for me but at 8 arrows that's somewhere between 30-40 extra damage?

[rustic vale]

I mean

Look at it this way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/989610739721441330/chiron_bow_spread_sheet.png

[rustic vale]

It’s 84 extra damage

[carmine cloak]

I hate cascading math. XD

[rustic vale]

So yeah, more then doubling your specials base damage is nice

[carmine cloak]

At that point Artemis is likely to outperform Dio.

[raw herald]

Very much so

[rustic vale]

There isn’t any reason not to pick those hammers up on dio though

[brazen aspen]

2 chaos boons with +special dmg, lv 5 heroic deadly flourish, and the daedalus augment melted hades like butter

fastest hades fight i've ever had, maybe 60 seconds lol

[raw herald]

Nice

[carmine cloak]

That being said.

Dio has his own scaling methods that don't depend on hammers.

[rustic vale]

Yup

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1029167904551350372/IMG_2324.jpg

This was back when I was darkness farming hence exclusive access and eclipses

[carmine cloak]

What does exclusive access have to do with darkness farming?

Is there any build that has easy access to, uh, exclusive access?

If you get that early it just balls so hard.

I guess Poseidon start on fists?

[brazen aspen]

why poseidon start on fists?

i'm start ares trying to get ares+athena duo

oh idk what exclusive access means

[carmine cloak]

I think merciful end is a waste on fists.

[brazen aspen]

is it?

[carmine cloak]

I just think it.

[brazen aspen]

i think its very strong

[carmine cloak]

I never said it wasn't strong.

I just think it's a waste.

[brazen aspen]

i'm confused w posiedon though, why would u want to have knockback

[rustic vale]

👆

[carmine cloak]

Poseidon is one half of the exclusive access duo.

[brazen aspen]

oh for farming?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[brazen aspen]

ah that's cool

[carmine cloak]

Basically if you start with Poseidon you can easily pivot into literally any other build if you never find Drunken Strike.

[brazen aspen]

i always thought poseidon boons were useless but that's actually kinda nice

[carmine cloak]

Tidal Dash literally wins runs by itself regardless of your weapon.

Or so I've been told and I can believe it.

[rustic vale]

I’m still 200000 darkness off of Unseen One

[rustic vale]

Yes

[brazen aspen]

huh i always go for athena's dash, maybe i'll try it sometime

[rustic vale]

Notable dashes are divine dash, tidal dash, and hunter dash

[carmine cloak]

Divine Dash is safe, Hunter Dash is more risky, Tidal Dash is more inbetween.

[rustic vale]

Anyways, back on the topic of chiron, picking up core boons is a scam, don’t do it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1005706186055745546/shackle_chiron.png

[carmine cloak]

Also Tidal Dash is big damage.

Is that thunder dash?

[rustic vale]

Pretty sure it’s divine dash

Given the colour

[carmine cloak]

It's kinda hard to make out.

I was just like where is the damage, but that's shackle isn't it?

[rustic vale]

Given the blue and pink, it’s divine dash

It’s shackle, and chaos, and RD, and concentrated +relentless

[carmine cloak]

I feel like in some cases shackle just kinda outperforms some builds. XD

[rustic vale]

I mean
I’ve completed a shackle run with each aspect
I can say… it is effective to an extent

core boons are a scam

[carmine cloak]

hhhhhhhhhhhhjjjjjjjjjjjj

[rustic vale]

Except for dashes

[carmine cloak]

Call counts as core.

[rustic vale]

No

They don’t

[carmine cloak]

There's a slo222222222222222222222222222

There's a slot for it that can only hold one.

[rustic vale]

they don’t have priority over other boons

[carmine cloak]

How does priority work?

[rustic vale]

Core boons have priority over others

I don’t remember all the priority stuff

[carmine cloak]

How does this express itself?

[rustic vale]

if you don’t have a core boon the game will make all 3 options be core boons iirc

[carmine cloak]

So it's more than just increased rate?

[rustic vale]

yes

[carmine cloak]

Speaking of which, do certain boons have lower appearance rates than others?

[rustic vale]

Just legendaries and duos

[carmine cloak]

So the fact that I never get brilliant riposte is just me being cursed?

[rustic vale]

blessed*

[carmine cloak]

It's cursed when I need that boon.

Btw, what happens with deflect and melee attacks?

[rustic vale]

?

[carmine cloak]

If you deflect a projectile it hits enemies for damage.

[rustic vale]

Deflect is for projectiles

[carmine cloak]

So it does nothing for melee?

[rustic vale]

Iirc, yes it does nothing

[brazen aspen]

for duo boons, do i get them from either of the gods as long as i have 2 combo boons already?

[raw herald]

Yes

[rustic vale]

Yes

[raw herald]

But not guaranreed

[brazen aspen]

hmmm do i go for hammer or athena to try for duo

[carmine cloak]

It says on the wiki that deflect does affect melee attacks. Apparently deflected attacks deal damage based on a percentage of the attacker's hp.

[rustic vale]

Interesting

[rustic vale]

Hammer imo

You’ll likely see athena boons again

[rustic vale]

Wiki isn’t always accurate, but this could be true…

[carmine cloak]

I sometimes pass on a hammer or hermes to get a chaos gate but it's always a hard choice. Do you consistently choose one over the other?

[brazen aspen]

is hermes all that hype

[carmine cloak]

Do you like going fast?

Hermes is unusual. He is not part of the regular god pool. He also doesn't have any core boons, or any duo boons.

The game also caps how often you can run into him.

But he is always available.

He has a lot of auxilary boons that complement any build, a well as a few that complement cast builds in particular.

Also Rush Delivery is a source of always-on global damage.

[brisk trail]

if i have ability that makes enemies slower does that also makes them attack slower?

[rustic vale]

Yes because hyper delivery or more dashes is super good

[rustic vale]

Not “always on”

Unless your movement speed buff is a passive one

[brazen aspen]

what build do u like running on spear? i typically just cheese the minions with the upgraded spin attack but always have trouble on hades

[rustic vale]

No spear really uses the spin aside from Hades

[brazen aspen]

i may be playing it wrong. i never use the special since it just seems underwhleming

i do have aspect of hades though

[rustic vale]

Special is really good for guan-yu, or if you find exploding launcher on zagreus or Hades

[rustic vale]

in either case you also want to find charged skewer

[brazen aspen]

do you treat it like a bow shot then? or do you zoom to it w aspect of achiles

[rustic vale]

on achilles you zoom to it

Achilles can go slicing shot -> deadly strike -> hunting blades, or lightning strike -> phalanx shot -> lightning phalanx

serrated point is like discount flurry jab but you don’t want flurry jab and serrated point at the same time

[latent moon]

Yeah it doesn't reflect the damage

But it does say deflect

I remember using ddash recently and getting a deflect off of a hades swing

[brazen aspen]

do rerolls work with duo boons?

bc duo boons are usually accompanied by duo dialogue

[silent willow]

--Dusa prophecy spoilers ahead--
||Hey yall, how does Dusa's prophecy work?
I got both Cerberus repairs, a rug and 15 more lounge renovations on top of that and it's still not ticked off||

[brazen aspen]

ok cool

i mean can i roll into them

hmm im going for hunting blades. instead, i got lightning rod and support fire, which pairs better?

[silent willow]

ah, looked it up, apparently it gets ticked off on a random dialogue after doing all this

[brazen aspen]

does support fire + blade rifts do the damage i think it does?

[half kraken]

i got the game for myself for christmas and damn

already put 9 hours into it

[brazen aspen]

same lol]

[rustic vale]

Yes

[rustic vale]

Yes

[rustic vale]

Nope

[brazen aspen]

thx ^^

[rustic vale]

Not always

[latent moon]

take lightning rod so you dont get offered it again

the game rolls duos/legendaries first, and if you have 2 open and one of them isn't what you want, you just take whatever one you see first

if it's what you want, great
otherwise, you take it out of the duo pool and the next duo you see will be what you want

[brazen aspen]

i got it yeah, and it's actually reallly good

i have 5 casts from chaos so its really funny seeing the arena light up with lightning

[latent moon]

rod makes picking up casts a bit harder lmao so if you're running hunting blades, i would recommend selling it once you get hunting blades

but frankly doesnt matter either way

[brazen aspen]

wdym it makes it harder to pick up

[high island]

Hmm no. Lightning Rod gud.

[hardy spear]

how big actually is the range of rod

because it doesnt feel like "nearby"

[tacit ember]

im tryna do fresh file, how am i suposed to deal with theseus

[gray apex]

It makes the pickup range on the cast smaller so you have to get closer to them to pick them up

[gray apex]

Check #self-promotion and join the speedrunning Discord and check the #Fresh-file pins for a quick breakdown and you can ask more experienced runners who play ff frequently. You wont find FF pros here unfortunately

[tacit ember]

im just trying to beat it lol

[brazen aspen]

what do i with keys after i unlocked all the weapons and mirror stuff?

just trade it away?

[tacit ember]

just in general, is it better to target theseus or the bull

[brazen aspen]

bull

[hardy spear]

bull first

[tacit ember]

ight

also what is optimal attack pattern for sword

[hardy spear]

special, dash strike, dash strike, repeat

[gray apex]

Special > Dash strike > standing strike > Special or dash again to evade attacks

And you ideally want Merciful End

[tacit ember]

yea thats what iv been doing

iv gotten merciful end once

[gray apex]

Yea that should maximize damage

Very tricky fight on ff

[tacit ember]

should i get health or just try to level up my boons

[hardy spear]

might as well just do this at this point

[gray apex]

It depends on your confidence and where you’re at in the run, I feel like early on you can afford to go all in on damage almost. Later on, it gets tougher so you’ll probably prioritize safety more because you just want a clear

Prioritizing damage early on and potentially resetting on build is also another form of indirect safety because killing things faster is gonna help you clear encounters and bosses. Spending like 5-7 minutes on a boss is exhausting as hell and makes you more likely to do mistakes and mess up, which is more punishing in ff because all you have is 1 dash and 1 health bar

[visual sand]

not sure if this is more suited for #h1-for-new-players but i could use some general advice for fighting [REDACTED]. i’ve beaten them once with chiron bow but that felt more out of luck than anything else… i believe it may just be a matter of more experience and learning the attack patterns but i’m open to any and all advice

[carmine cloak]

I now cleared all pacts at least once so now I'm thinking of what pacts to use for climbing the heat ranks. This is my first time using Excalibur and I'm at low blood, not sure if I should take tight deadline.

Also can anybody confirm if certain dialogue with Tisiphone can happen regardless of whether or not extreme measures is on?

[brazen aspen]

he draws a white circle around himself right before does his big spin attack. u can avoid it comepletely by dashing on time

[carmine cloak]

Most of my runs clear in under 30 minutes but idk about this one.

[gray apex]

The attacks are all telegraphed so it is indeed a matter of practice and knowing how long it takes YOU to do attacks so you only attack when it’s safe and you have enough of a window. Also worth noting that dash strikes strip the iframes granted by your dash and it’s easy to unconsciously press the attack button so practice only using empty dashes whenever you’re attempting to dodge attacks

[visual sand]

i had no idea about the iframes rule, thanks! most of my fights have just involved panicked dash striking so that helps a lot

[gray apex]

It’s very worth it as it’s a lot of heat and pretty easy to start getting used to. It takes practice but it’s best to just turn it on right away even if your clears aren’t in that time window. The time pressure will push you to go faster. Check the pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies they have a progression chart which gives you a good idea of what to start with and what to avoid up until 32

[brazen aspen]

on sword, should i prioritize doom dmg on attack or special?

[raw herald]

For merciful end?

Attack definitely

[brazen aspen]

yeah, i happen to have both rn

[raw herald]

Sell the doom special

And get Athena special and dash

[tacit ember]

died to hydra =((

[carmine cloak]

What about my question regarding Tisiphone?

Any idea?

[raw herald]

I’m unsure

It’s been a while since I paid attention to dialogue

[gray apex]

The Special is not a reliable source of damage on sword, it’s slow and you’re kinda vulnerable so yea rely on your attack

[raw herald]

I don’t mind doom special on shackle Nem

[gray apex]

I assume no, but I’m also unsure.

[carmine cloak]

I've been asking around a lot about this but nobody seems to know.

If I need to fight her by herself then I can't use extreme measures. Which is a bit of a problem since my heat level is rising.

[hardy spear]

what specific dialogue do you want

[brisk trail]

How do I find the ummm

[carmine cloak]

The one where Tisiphone learns a word other than murder.

[brisk trail]

Current hitless run speed record

[gray apex]

I don’t think having EM affects that

I might’ve had it on

When that happened

[brisk trail]

Is there a speedrun website with a hitless category for hades?

[gray apex]

But that’s like 2 years ago so I have no idea

[gray apex]

There’s speedrun.com

[carmine cloak]

Because for heat 3 the easiest seems to be just EM2.

[gray apex]

And teamhitless

[rustic vale]

Does speedrun.com have a hitless category? I don’t rememebr seeing one

[gray apex]

Yes

It has a damageless category too

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/W3xGPByRN9G0

I don't see a hitless category

[gray apex]

And modded variations

[brisk trail]

Also what's OwO

[rustic vale]

One weapon only

[gray apex]

Should be in category extensions if you click on that little arrow next to leaderboards

[rustic vale]

Iirc

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/QId088iirZH7

Thank you!

[tacit ember]

that ares boon that lets doom stack, how does it work with merciful end? is stacking doom or just activating it on one more optimal?

[brisk trail]

Looks like 10:16 is the current hitless speedrun WR

[raw herald]

Activating asap is better

[tacit ember]

k

[raw herald]

It’s why impending doom is the far superior doom support boon

[brisk trail]

I'm surprised people use Hestia and not GY

[raw herald]

Hestia is just faster

[hardy spear]

finally a ridiculously hard category that isnt faster than my any heat pb

[raw herald]

I’ve been meaning to go for wr but I keep getting hit

[brazen aspen]

with the god keepsakes that guarentee the "next boon to be" of that god, does it reset into the next rank?

[raw herald]

It’s 9:4x iirc, just not on that leaderboard

[hardy spear]

nevermind

[raw herald]

[brisk trail]

Then where is it

[raw herald]

Finding it

[brisk trail]

Because otherwise I won't count it unless I see it on some leaderboard

[rustic vale]

Do you mean the next biome?

[brazen aspen]

yeah

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t reset

[brisk trail]

Youtube videos can be spliced, unfortunately, very easily

With the room transitions

[carmine cloak]

Is double edge good on arthur?

[rustic vale]

In game timer would be off though

[rustic vale]

Yes

[gray apex]

Most teamhitless players don’t use src

[raw herald]

In that case every single vod could be faked

[brisk trail]

Where DO they go?

[hardy spear]

found it
https://youtu.be/xsUE8m3mnAM

[carmine cloak]

What about hoarding slash? It sounds bad unless I spend no gold.

[brisk trail]

See but that's just a youtube video, was that streamed?

[gray apex]

It’s bad if you have 9K gold

It’s just bad

[raw herald]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFjBJZpF2yY here’s the fastest i found

[hardy spear]

woah

[hardy spear]

why are you being so picky

[raw herald]

I had a run that was 8:3x going into dad with epic rd

[gray apex]

That’s probably the one

[raw herald]

And it was a 3 sack

[hardy spear]

tragic

[raw herald]

But I will mald no more

[brisk trail]

See people keep talking about "oh they don't use speedrun.com" but like what do they use because without some kind of validation or whatever it's hard for me to accept it

There were a lot of instances in other communities of faked runs

[gray apex]

They use teamhitless

[hardy spear]

what method do you think theyd cheat by

[raw herald]

The Hitless category in sr.com is far newer than the category itself

[gray apex]

Or something

[hardy spear]

also deaths before the start of runs show that they arent seeded

[gray apex]

There is a verification process

[carmine cloak]

It's literally an upload of a stream.

[raw herald]

Yeah lol

[carmine cloak]

Game seems to be trying to force Ares on me, should I take or get the heart instead?

[raw herald]

There have been times where we’ve caught cheaters, but what’s the point?

[hardy spear]

context

[brisk trail]

Team hitless doesn't show times??

[hardy spear]

you can time it yourself if you really want

[gray apex]

I don’t think it does

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/QwRRQ5AJ2Bnh

[gray apex]

You have to check individually

Oh hey there’s me

[brisk trail]

No no I'm checking it individually and it doesn't show times either

[hardy spear]

[brisk trail]

It just brings me to their profile

[gray apex]

Took them long enough to verify that lol

Oh

[brisk trail]

Team Hitless is clearly not a speedrunning website

I'm looking for a hitless speedrun

Not a hitless run, not a speedrun run

[carmine cloak]

I guess I should just try to skip Ares if I can?

[raw herald]

Well there haven’t been many

It’s a hard category

[gray apex]

You can check their stuff on their profile tho no?

[brisk trail]

The ones that there have been are on Speedrun.com

And then that one 9:40 unverified youtube video

I don't think Team Hitless website is going to give me what I need

[raw herald]

And the community is mostly Spanish, maybe they don’t use sr.com

[violet oriole]

Okay hi everyone

[rustic vale]

How cpuld you cheat hitless

[raw herald]

As much

[violet oriole]

I got good and bad news

[rustic vale]

You’d take damage

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/vWi0YikUPeQm

[hardy spear]

invincibility cheats i guess

[violet oriole]

The bad news is that I haven’t gotten gifted from steam to get shades

[brisk trail]

Splice

[violet oriole]

So I don’t have hades

[rustic vale]

Splice what
If you got hit in a run it would obvious

[raw herald]

Every single speed run can be spliced unless it’s on stream

[brisk trail]

Splice a different run

With the same boons

[raw herald]

And the same health, and timer? Yeah lol

[rustic vale]

If you got hit you got hit
And boons aren’t guaranteed to have the same stats every time

[hardy spear]

and the same in game timer?

[raw herald]

Good luck with that

[hardy spear]

[gray apex]

They’re being verified and we’ve had cases of that so verifiers pay attention to that but it’s so hard to do regardless

[brisk trail]

Yeah, if you route it correctly and stand by a room waiting for the timer to go to the right time

[rustic vale]

Since there is variance between how much additive it’ll give you on a rarity increase

[hardy spear]

[raw herald]

Hmm sounds like a lot of effort

[gray apex]

It’s incredibly tedious

[hardy spear]

who would do that

[gray apex]

Nobody will do that

[raw herald]

I’d rather just get the wr legitimately

[gray apex]

You’re a bad cheater if you do that there are better ways lmao

[brisk trail]

some people will put more effort into cheating than it takes to actually do it

[raw herald]

If you really wanted to cheat, just edit the lua files

[rustic vale]

You wouldn’t be able to guarantee your way into the same additive from a given boon

[raw herald]

Dunno why you’d cheat tho.

Look at the respect we give croven (almost none)

[hardy spear]

are you trying to find ways people could cheat or trying to prove a point

[brisk trail]

That would do it lol

[violet oriole]

How’s everyone doing

[rustic vale]

great

[brisk trail]

Oh I'm just explaining why I don't personally accept unverified runs

Its not a big deal at all

Heck, I'm down to drop the topic

[gray apex]

Is that 9:40 not verified?

[raw herald]

It’s not on sr.com

[gray apex]

It’s on teamhitless isn’t it

[raw herald]

I could ask in that Hitless server but there hasn’t been a message in the English Channel since September

[hardy spear]

did the category not exist back then on src or something

[gray apex]

Yea the category isn’t old

On src

[hardy spear]

the 9:31 was 6 months ago

category probably existed

[gray apex]

Mods added it when a bunch of people joined the hitless server and started doing runs

[brisk trail]

how did we get to 9:31 from 9:40

[raw herald]

@brisk trail fwiw zyruvias has a 9:40 and is actually a speedrun.com verifier

So it’s legit

[rustic vale]

Speed

[hardy spear]

sorry 9:36

[gray apex]

Zyruvias is very well known

[hardy spear]

here

[gray apex]

One of the best runners out there

[hardy spear]

he gaming

[brisk trail]

that video has 315 views and Zyruvias has 129 subscribers

Wym well known

[hardy spear]

[brisk trail]

It sounds like the vast majority of the Hades community has no idea who he is

[gray apex]

He’s known in the community, hades speedrunning in general is already barely popular letalone a tough category with mostly spanish runners so yea it’s not about the numbers

[raw herald]

The vast majority of the hades community don’t care about speedruns

[hardy spear]

the vast majority of the hades community is also not interested in speedrunning

heh

[raw herald]

oooh

[hardy spear]

i typed it first therefore i am the better speedrunner

[brisk trail]

Fair, I've run into that a bit in Hollow Knight, where the majority of speedrun content is Chinese

[raw herald]

Zyru’s vids have gotten over 10k views which compared to most speedrun vods is a lot

[raw herald]

Shows that I’m first on my device lol

[hardy spear]

huh

lemme refresh

[brisk trail]

I'm the tiebreaker... hades II was first

https://prnt.sc/VYYerqydSAmm

Sorry hamie

[raw herald]

Discord 🍝

[hardy spear]

ok youre the better speedrunneri apologize

shows you first now

[raw herald]

I had less to type

[hardy spear]

more optimised route

[raw herald]

Skipped typelysium

[gray apex]

With all respect to the hitless community I think most speedrunners who attempted the category just gave it a bunch of attempts and didnt really grind it down

It can be much faster lol

[raw herald]

Yeah

[hardy spear]

i bet you used codex tech

[gray apex]

It’s just kinda

[raw herald]

Honestly it can go sub 7

[gray apex]

Irritating

[raw herald]

But that takes aaaaages

[hardy spear]

hitless could theoretically be almost as fast as any heat but like id rather actually try and fight out of hell myself

[brisk trail]

ok well I might accept the 9:40 then but idk im sorry im such a skeptic xD

[hardy spear]

the gameplay speaks for itself

[raw herald]

Yeah

He also has an 8:00 modded run

[brisk trail]

It IS a heck of a watch yeah im enjoying it

[gray apex]

Yup

Should watch some of their other stuff

[raw herald]

Mike did you watch the bigp derby

[gray apex]

No

[raw herald]

watch zyru’s run lol

[dull niche]

ye lol

isn’t zyru the only one who gave it a real go

[gray apex]

I havent watched a single Hades run since I retired

[grizzled cedar]

So I got Nyx and Chaos together again

[gray apex]

Yea

Kinda

[raw herald]

I’ve been trying on and off

[grizzled cedar]

How do I get Nyx to come back?

[gray apex]

He could go faster tho still

[dull niche]

ye for sure

[raw herald]

I’ll give it a couple hours today why not

[gray apex]

I just kinda found it annoying

Because some stuff just hits you in styx and all that

Damn rats

[dull niche]

hitless in a game like hades doesn’t rly seem up my alley

[raw herald]

Styx sucks so much

[dull niche]

yea

[raw herald]

Unless you have Beowulf lol

But Beowulf sucks for Hitless

[gray apex]

Yea I couldnt really control that so I didnt like it much

Also I played before the category was made by like a couple of weeks

So

Unmodded pain

Granted I got the best build of all time but still

[raw herald]

The unmodded record seems way more free than modfed

[gray apex]

Yea for sure

[high island]

Are Chaos Gates allowed in the speedrun category?

[dull niche]

can’t remember

[brisk trail]

I feel like they aren't, but can't confirm

[gray apex]

Hitless yes I think

[dull niche]

there was a distinction btwn hitless and damage less I think?

[gray apex]

Damageless no

[dull niche]

for chaos and such

[gray apex]

Rules should be on src

[brisk trail]

Oh wow

Damageless WR is 13m 06s, but Hitless + Damageless WR is still 10:16 (or 9:40)

So the damageless WR seems kind of pointless

[raw herald]

Damageless is easier than Hitless

So more people run Hitless

[gray apex]

I think you could submit a hitless + dmgless to the damageless leaderboard

[brisk trail]

So stuff like 100% dodge, blocking, or deflecting is allowed in damageless but not hitless

And stuff like chaos is allowed in hitless but not damageless

[raw herald]

Yes

[dull niche]

is there a ruling on deflect stuff

[gray apex]

Yea not allowed in hitless

[raw herald]

Blocking isn’t allowed either

[dull niche]

so if u get Athena u just have to not take anything

wait rly

[raw herald]

Yeah

[gray apex]

Yes

That’s why beo is ass

[raw herald]

Athena is such a dud god

[gray apex]

Bc they run charged flight

Lol

[dull niche]

there’s too many rules to wrap my head around 😭

christ

[gray apex]

[brisk trail]

RIP croven

[gray apex]

I wanted to grind Beo hitless

With cshot

And just get so much damage

[dull niche]

yeah I mean that makes sense

no blocking is just 🗿

[gray apex]

But you just blocking random crap anyway

And it’s sad

[dull niche]

ye

[gray apex]

And unmodded

Cshot odds

One day

I’ll do that

[dull niche]

One day

I will not

[high island]

Somebody fix my L1 and L2 so I can play Hera.

[gray apex]

If I show that to the hitless community

It’ll blow their mind

Guaranteed

[dull niche]

well u have fun with that

[gray apex]

I remember they had no clue about mvtspeed being multiplicative

And rd being that strong

[dull niche]

tbf that’s like a relatively recent thing

we didn’t know abt that for a while either

[gray apex]

Yea ig

[high island]

Modded WR is only 8:00, that's easy.

[gray apex]

Kinda cool to see their perspective on the game

Given that we have some different stuff in the speedrunning discord

[raw herald]

Their meta was just beefing up an aphro attack iirc

[strong ridge]

thonk

[gray apex]

Yea not much Tidal dash action

[high island]

That's the correct way to play the game.

[raw herald]

On the bright side it’s very easy to reset

[brazen aspen]

so apparently there's an explosive special hamemr upgrade for spear?

i've yet to see it though, is it something i have to unlock?

[gray apex]

Incompatible with Achilles and Guan yu

Otherwise it’s just rng

Should see it eventually

Some stuff removes it from the pool like if you get chain skewer or vicious skewer first

[brazen aspen]

what's guan yu?

[gray apex]

4th spear aspect

[brazen aspen]

oh ok, i don't have obv. how do i disable achliles theen?

[gray apex]

Just use a different aspect

Like Zag aspect

[tired karma]

Elysium with malphon on 40% forced overtime is not fun
Especially with EM3/4 on top of that

[brazen aspen]

ima have to try that after this run, i thought all aspects were on by defualt or smth lol

[carmine cloak]

So I've been using Arthur for a while now and constantly I'm like "It's hard to do this without getting hit."

But after using it for even longer I realized that part really doesn't matter.

[high island]

Yeah lol.

[carmine cloak]

You'd think that with the added health it might be a good one to try high confidence with, but high confidence is actually extra difficult with this weapon.

[tacit ember]

bruh wtf r my boons, i have a level5 curse agony, no special, no cast, athena dash, and abunch of random boons like positive outlook lmao

bout to die to theseus again

[carmine cloak]

Why would you die? You have level 5 curse of agony.

And divine dash.

And positive outlook.

Idk if this sounds stupid but this sounds like a recipe for success to me.

[tacit ember]

im doing fresh file

i am also bad so thats a large part of it lol

[gray apex]

In fresh file it’s not much yea

It’s winnable but a lot of runs are, just takes a lot of skill

[tacit ember]

😦

got bull to a third

pattern isnt hard but theseus is so anoying

[carmine cloak]

Idk ok you're missing some stuff like family favorite but you still have decent damage and defense.

[tacit ember]

i am missing merciful end lol

[gray apex]

You have 1 dash you’re playing sword you have 1 health bar

[carmine cloak]

Merciful end is just a means to an end.

[tacit ember]

also athena special is so nessisary

[carmine cloak]

I mean you need either athena attack or special to get ME.

[tacit ember]

i think athena special on sword is really good for defence

[carmine cloak]

Ok the one dash makes this significantly more difficult, still you had the components of a good build.

[gray apex]

Sometimes rng is just uncooperative

[carmine cloak]

Honestly if you do something specific like Merciful End you have to be prepared to, uh, not use Merciful End.

[tacit ember]

i got like 5 dionysus in a row and didnt get athena in all of the arias lmao

[carmine cloak]

Dionysus has some good survivability options.

[tacit ember]

yea i really need festive fog

[carmine cloak]

That's just one of his survivability options.

[gray apex]

Fresh file is a beast of its own

It is much harder than it sounds

[carmine cloak]

Honestly.

Although I lost a lot of skill in the two years I didn't play this for, I bet lack of mirror upgrades also was a factor in how bad I was.

I'm definitely better than two years ago now.

I like Zag's idle pose with Excalibur.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389224360138899456/1057034629875515483/Idk_Screen_Shot_26-12-22_21.37.png

[grizzled cedar]

why do we give so much ambrosia to Dusa

[sullen token]

she deserves it

[grizzled cedar]

I now she's the sweetest lady in the underworld but c'mon

She can give it back to you apperently

but its hard to trigger 💀

like with everything in this damn game

[tacit ember]

i think she just does it after you have given her enough?

[chilly sonnet]

I’m only 15k darkness away from being able to get all the badges

After a long few months of grinding

I’m so close

[grizzled cedar]

bro I don't wanna do that

[chilly sonnet]

I didn’t either but then I realized hades is fun so it’s a win win

[grizzled cedar]

just gonna forge some bonds and do the epilouge and I'm done with this game

Artemis Chibi is adorable

[mint coral]

it is

[chilly sonnet]

Artemis Chibi is adorable

[grizzled cedar]

True

Both statements are true

It’s not like they’re mutually exclusive

[carmine cloak]

Oh, the dash strike on gilgamesh is hella fast.

Guess I can try Dio?

[carmine cloak]

Oh man my entire build is already online in Tart. This feels so good.

[brisk trail]

How do I deal the big damage I just started playing

[rustic vale]

Really depends on the aspect you are using

[strong ridge]

press really hard on the button

[brisk trail]

Is the aspect the weapon? I'm using the bow

[rustic vale]

No

You need to have all the weapons unlocked before you can use aspects

For aspectless bow your damage would be dash strikes, looking for like twin or triple shot hammers, and using aphrodite or artemis on strike

[old dawn]

arty dashstrike helps too ig

[rustic vale]

You might want to stick to #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers

[old dawn]

if only to get used to the loop of dashstriking with the bow

[rustic vale]

Since everywhere else spoilers are fair game

[carmine cloak]

Ok this is interesting, I think I have a good idea of where my damage came from, it's my survivability that I don't quite understand.

Gilgamesh is fun to control.

[rustic vale]

Gilgamesh is kind of anti survivability

[carmine cloak]

That's my point, idk why I took so little damage. XD

[high island]

If your damage is good, naturally you're not taking much damage yourself.

[carmine cloak]

Yeah but it wasn't exactly a speedkill.

I guess it's a combination between fast damage and deflecting a few attacks, with the upper, and spreading weak around everywhere, and having some static damage reduction, oh, and Athena's revenge boon.

[high island]

Also Weak + Broken Resolve + Different League more than negated Maim's negative effect.

Holy Shield doesn't do too much tbh.

[carmine cloak]

It negates the odd attack.

[strong ridge]

pl negation

[carmine cloak]

I think that's fair.

[strong ridge]

you take it usually if there was nothing better

[carmine cloak]

There really wasn't much.

[half kraken]

theseus needs to get kicked in the balls

[strong ridge]

too good for him

[half kraken]

his fight is the furthest ive gotten so far

[still egret]

Hey I've been meaning to ask

Never mind I'll try another channel cuz I need a visual lmao

[rustic vale]

Ask what

[still egret]

I wanted to know what Hades is exactly approving/denying with all the claims from the line of shades?

[rustic vale]

miscellaneous claims ig

Something like Orpheus asking to bring Eurydice back with him

[still egret]

Like I just now saw him approve a claim. What in the seven hells was it?!

I don't understand

[rustic vale]

game doesn’t tell

[still egret]

BUT I WANNA KNOW

[rustic vale]

Afaik the game doesn’t go more indepth then they’re just asking for things

[still egret]

For all I know the shade was like "So anyway there I was, BBQ sauce on my titties-" then Hades like "Aight granted"

[rustic vale]

that could be it

game hasn’t addressed it once from what I remember over 400+ runs

[still egret]

AND NOW SKELLY IS MISSING

[mint coral]

Change ur weapon

He should pop up

[still egret]

Oh there he is

[brazen aspen]

playing adamant rail is very fun :D

[rustic vale]

Playing Hades is very fun

[mint coral]

What is Hades

[rustic vale]

HaDeez Nuts

[carmine cloak]

Poseidon seems a pretty fun aspect.

I feel like going full artemis (except maybe the actual cast) is pretty strong

[brazen aspen]

i'm going mostly artemis with dio duo and it's really strong with the rocket launcher. i think high base dmg things really benefit from arty

[fervent jewel]

Agreed

my first time clearing the game and it was with it and the demeter special for disgusting spamming

[brazen aspen]

watching 4-digit damage numbers come out of my special is crazy

[fervent jewel]

I think I was kind of lucky stumbling unto a build that worked like

i never really know what i'm doing but for this i mostly sought out stuff that could help me kill someone from across the room and I had Doom on attack + Demeter stuff + Hermes speed boon so I could run away if things got scary with a blade rift behind me

[brazen aspen]

when farming, do people usually take conch or egg keepsake to start? or something else entirely?

[mint coral]

if your fastest weapon benefits from starting pos (Beo, achilles etc) then conch start is worth

egg isnt worth cuz you arent guaranteed gates

"come on, it will be funny i promise" - Chaos basically

[brazen aspen]

pos dash is so funny in aphodel

[mint coral]

splash dash in styx tho

[rustic vale]

If you want to darkness farm, use the weapon you’re most comfortable/fastest with
You can always force a poseidon/dio build for exclusive access to see better rarity eclipses from chaos if you want to but you don’t need to

[brazen aspen]

not the actual darkness weapon?

[mint coral]

+20% aint that much in the long run

[brazen aspen]

hmm is chontic coin pouch + golden touch a good start?

to be able to buy the 1k gold item at the end

or is it not worth while

[mint coral]

you can prob get to 1k with deep pockets, but if you want to guarantee it then golden touch is nice

coin pouch can be used near the last biomes cuz i think is affected by gold boons from Chaos?

[brazen aspen]

oh really? that's cool

[mint coral]

im not really sure tbh

like i know pauper makes it so it gives 0 gold

[old dawn]

if all you want is farm shops for diamond and bloods you can actually start coin pouch, farm 0 heat then let golden touch do its thing i believe

[brazen aspen]

i hate fire chariots with fists, u were right abt the weapon

[old dawn]

ares atk fists deal with chariots decently well i think

tag and back off

[brazen aspen]

no ares, i'm going zeus demeter

[old dawn]

oh then yea oof

[brisk trail]

Routine Inspection SUCKS

[old dawn]

tell us something we don't know

theres a reason ppl avoid it until no other options remain for high heat

[mint coral]

bait them into walls and dash through them

or use your casts

[rustic vale]

If you’re good with all of them sure but like if you are significantly faster with a different weapon then use the different weapon

[old dawn]

i forgor fo2 exists

[mint coral]

10 heat to avoid survival rooms*

[rustic vale]

And em2

[old dawn]

and i also forgor that affects spawnrate

[rustic vale]

Td1 decreases rta

[old dawn]

rta?

[rustic vale]

real time

[old dawn]

makes sense

[karmic grotto]

how do i disable "UNDERWORLD COSTOMS USE POOL OF PURGING" i everytime have to purge a boon to go to the next chamber

[rustic vale]

Take it off of your heat pact

[brazen aspen]

do i get more darkness the more heat i have?

from bosses

[rustic vale]

Nope

[brazen aspen]

ah ok so difficulty 0 it is

[karmic grotto]

how?

[rustic vale]

It’s a condition on your pact of punishment
When you go to enter a run, scroll down to underworld customs and take it off

[karmic grotto]

thanks

[brisk trail]

Do bosses get perks from the perks heat?

Also what do I need to do to make Demeter let me give her an Ambrosia?

[brazen aspen]

there's one that makes the bosses gain a new phase or smth?

extreme measures

oh wait nvm didn't read what u said very well

[brisk trail]

Yeah no the one where it's perks

Like they can pull you in, move faster, etc.

Benefits

https://prnt.sc/dRHYZVDPgcd-

[rustic vale]

No they can’t get perks for BP

[brisk trail]

How tf you know me so well

That's exactly what it is

[rustic vale]

Arte not S tier is a sin

[brisk trail]

MILF u mean?

[rustic vale]

Everyone goes in S tier

👍

[brisk trail]

I did rank them within the tier so like Dem is lower A tier than Arti

Arti was almost S tier but the hat doesnt work for me

In the game somewhere? Or do yu just mean in theory

[fervent jewel]

i like ares's design

especially the paint on his face

[brisk trail]

yea but thats how shes always shown to me

in a way im ranking how hot the art is

i guess

I think they made Dem look really flattering so idk why all the hate

[brazen aspen]

are you sure

dem is just cold (haha)

[fervent jewel]

she has no chills

[brisk trail]

Also chaos was obviously dead first because have you seen Chaos

ba dum tss

[fervent jewel]

i like angry grandmas like kreia so dem ranks very high just based off that

[brisk trail]

I would marry chaos and live in infinity with them

but what if i convinced them I am special

:(

MOOOOOOOOOM, discord is bullying me again (/s)

[rustic vale]

/s(erious)

[fervent jewel]

"you can't just make winter a permanent thing demeter it's gonna be summer soon i need a tan"

[rustic vale]

/s(hackle bestest keepsake)

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy14-ff14-khloe-final-fantasy-shoot-gif-17522726

[brazen aspen]

is it worth resetting the run if i don't get eclipse from chaos?

(for farming purposes)

[rustic vale]

No

You can get one from him later in the run

Plus you got all the darkness from prior bosses

[brazen aspen]

i mean in the first 2-3 rooms

[rustic vale]

Too early to reset

[half kraken]

"zag man you gotta smoke this zaza when you come to olympus"

[brazen aspen]

how many rooms until reset?

[rustic vale]

Imo… until after asphodel

and at that point it’s kind of late

[fervent jewel]

maybe i'm dumb but i never reset because i think i could get something fighting to the end

[rustic vale]

there isn’t really a good time for reseting for darkness farming because it’s either too early to tell or late enough that you might as well finish the run and get the darkness from that

[fervent jewel]

and also i don't think zagreus would give up which is probably not a good reason to just run to my death

[rustic vale]

Giving up puts you back to before you started the run

so you enter with the same seed

Wait nevermind I selectively saw words

Yeah I don’t really reset either just because it doesn’t really matter to me

[fervent jewel]

i think even if i won't make it out at least i can nab some darkness

[brisk trail]

Dang, shadow slash actually feels pretty good on Arthur

I took it when the only other options were Cursed Slash (especially bad on Arthur bc slow attack speed) and Super Nova which was like ehhhh bc special animation on arthur is slow and like yeeeaaahhh it does make it 20% bigger so the safe zone (well, damage tanking zone) would be a little bigger but I'm getting major major hits off like 800-1000 damage on backstabs (I aphro booned the attack) so it feels ACTUALLY WORTH IT to try to play backstab mode

And yeah it doesn't work on the dash slash but you don't use that nearly as often on Arthur

[rustic vale]

Super nova actually doesn’y affect the aura size iirc

[rustic vale]

You do use dash strike on arthur if you find dedge because 100 base damage consistently for each dash >>> 3 hit combo for a long wind up swing

[brisk trail]

Gotcha, I didn't find Dedge, so I think I still made the right choice

[rustic vale]

Arthur dash strike isn’t a slash, it’s a lunge

[grizzled cedar]

charon beat my ass again

tbf I had my spear

if I used my fists I would've beat his ass

[fervent jewel]

i would nver try harming charon i appreciate his work

[grizzled fog]

what does the ambrosia bottle here mean? is it just a count of how many I have currently https://imgur.com/a/FzoRgzU (i cant paste images so i uploaded to imgur)

[brazen aspen]

woah. hades just let me pass. free darkness for me!

[latent moon]

yeah it just shows how much you have

[grizzled cedar]

so when you get the 10000 kill quest from ares

do you have to kill an additional 10k or is what you did enough?

[rustic vale]

what you've done is enough

[grizzled cedar]

Good bc in 80 runs I did 20k

that would mean I would need to do 40 more runs 💀

So...

you know how Hades is a rouge-like game