h1-discussion

[gray apex]

I've never heard that

Or seen that

[latent moon]

ah

[high island]

Don't pray for the RNG for an easy win, train for the strength to win a difficult one.

[latent moon]

what's rama's record then?

[gray apex]

61 routed was beaten by a korean player a long time ago iirc

seeded sorry

not routed

non hell mode

[latent moon]

ah

[heavy sigil]

whats hesita’s record?

[latent moon]

i think i just have really bad memory lmao

[gray apex]

60

[heavy sigil]

damn

[gray apex]

modded

[heavy sigil]

o

what abt unmodded?

[latent moon]

didn't amb do 61 or did she do 60

[heavy sigil]

or is that not recorded

[gray apex]

Might be 58 im not sure

[heavy sigil]

unmodded vs modded is so much of a diff yeah

its crazy

i took modded for granted

[gray apex]

Unmodded Hestia is 57 according to the sheet

[high island]

Rama WR is still 60 by Tailesque. After that, RI3 EM4 kills the runs. Too much resetting for AP2 Greatest Reflex (or Hyper Sprint) for 🦊 to keep trying.

[heavy sigil]

what does high heat ap2 hesita go for boons?

[high island]

Single dash Rama sucks.

[latent moon]

ah you're right amb did 60

[high island]

Shackle lol.

[heavy sigil]

athena keepsake just to get her into the god pool into shackle?

[rustic vale]

💪

[gray apex]

https://youtu.be/ynzp42ZktFI run in question

[heavy sigil]

thats so crazy

[gray apex]

Non-hell mode so essentially what a 62 looks like. Seeded because they kept giving up because of a nice chaos / first couple of chambers iirc

[heavy sigil]

modded hestia u could go epic attack boon into athena keepsake into tooth/acorn

unmodded u have to shackle

💀

nah bro idk if i wanna grind for unmodded

[high island]

You don't have to, you can reset for a good attack.

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/610K6O2-ePwl

[high island]

https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg

[brisk trail]

Oh, I should clarify, this tierlist is based on how much I like their character art.

[heavy sigil]

is this

oh ok

i love posidon’s art

gives him cool uncle vibes

[brisk trail]

Yeah I like the beard and hair makes him look kinda hippie

Def cool uncle

It's pretty hard to put anything in lower tiers because all the god art looks really good tbh

[gray apex]

You forgot bouldy

[latent moon]

true

[brisk trail]

Let me see if I can find a more inclusive tierlist that includes stuff like Nyx, Bouldy, Eurydice etc

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-characters--198180

Here we go

Once again I'm gonna rate them based on how I like their art design

Still doesn't include bouldy :(

[manic kraken]

yay second and third wins on the same day

[brisk trail]

grats

[manic kraken]

oh wait

They were back to back

:)

I took a break so I forgot

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/NE4LiF8ckEP4

Who tf is this

???

[gray apex]

Chaos after taking a shower or something

[brisk trail]

weird

[thorny mirage]

I think that’s early access stuff

When they didn’t have all the portraits

[high island]

Lady Nyx.

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/nWFiNJAycYFU

[high island]

Placeholder sprite, yes.

[gray apex]

Where is bouldy

[brisk trail]

Thats my ranking based on how much I like their character art

This list didn't have bouldy either but bouldy is S-tier

Hands down

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/serge-asterix-cleopatre-gif-19042775

[latent moon]

idk probably

but either way she did 60 lol

[carmine cloak]

If I deal more damage to enemies from farther away, does moving away from hungover enemies deal more damage?

[high island]

Should be the case, yeah.

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/vhV7wd45TOGl

This limited time trade is so horrendeously bad

I do not understand the logic behind some of them

[carmine cloak]

The logic is simple.

Some trades are deliberately bad.

[latent moon]

i mean if you dont need darkness but need work orders

why not

[brisk trail]

Even then, it will take you far longer to get 300 darkness from runs than 50 resources

Also when do you not need darkness

[latent moon]

when you maxed the mirror and dont want to do the resource director

[brisk trail]

325,000 darkness for Unseen one + 25,000 darkness for Chaos Theme

[latent moon]

oh yeah chaos theme

but that's not too bad to get tbh

[carmine cloak]

Again, some trades are deliberately bad so you actually think about what you buy rather than snap clicking the latest sale.

[brisk trail]

Not to mention 3,192 for the Nyx thing and the however 10-20,000 you need to max mirror

[brisk trail]

Yeah that seems like the most reasonable explanation

[latent moon]

iirc i maxed mirror and the nyx thing before getting the option to buy the theme so it was whatever

and like frankly neither the resource director or the theme are necessary

[carmine cloak]

I got 3 duo boons in one batch, I'm starting to see the appeal of nectar.

[latent moon]

so from a gameplay and story perspective, it can be a good trade if you need more work orders done

[brisk trail]

The theme is necessary for me

But sure

[latent moon]

sell your mirror and be gamer tbh

[brisk trail]

Is there any downside for taking your ambrosia back from Dusa

[latent moon]

no

[weary abyss]

ill prob juist give all my ambrosia to dusa first so i can get that done than get it back

[latent moon]

doesnt getting her favor take a while

[brisk trail]

yea there's a lot of dialog and you can't dialog her and gift her in the same house visit so it tends to take several attempts compared to like Meg

[ionic hemlock]

i have no idea how to go foward with the dusa dialouge am i missing something

[tulip matrix]

Say how does one unlock the bond with hypnos?

Last one left for me and i cant quite put my head around it

[spare tiger]

i know Hades is on sale on Switch but how much is it?

[tulip matrix]

12.50 euro

[spare tiger]

whats the normal price in Euros?

im an american pleb

[tulip matrix]

25

[spare tiger]

so its probably half off in USD as well

[tulip matrix]

It's 50% off what it normally is

yup

[gleaming grove]

What Gods are Good for herabow?

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[gleaming grove]

Is there a guide for all weapons?

Just curious

[rustic vale]

No afaik

Not all aspects warrant such attention

[latent moon]

the talos guide is to just not play it

[spare agate]

are they that bad?

[hardy spear]

i wouldnt say any weapon is bad for low heat clears but some definetly fall off harder and faster than others

[latent moon]

the gimmick kinda sucks in the sense that the special animation is hella long

[high island]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/1i726

[spare agate]

I use them in one run before and i got a hammer that turns the special into a kick

[rustic vale]

and as a castpect achilles is just better in terms of additive it gives, and poseidon doesn’t rely on you hitting special

[latent moon]

talos shouldn't be able to get rush kick

[heavy sigil]

talos is hella fun

sadly its pretty bad

[hardy spear]

talos isnt the name of the fists by the way if thats what youre thinking of

[heavy sigil]

what

[spare agate]

I got the kick on them is it a bug?

[latent moon]

no you're probably thinking of something else

if you got rush kick on talos, then there's no point in using talos because you no longer have the magnetic cutter

which is like

the whole point of talos

the hammers in this game shouldn't remove or replace the gimmick of any aspect

[spare agate]

I did buy any other aspects of the fist rush kick can go on zag aspect but it was a crap run so i just took whatever and hoped to die

didnt*

[hardy spear]

so not talos

[latent moon]

yeah that's not talos lmao

[spare agate]

i am losing my recollection of that run

No i was right it was talos but i dont have any of the other aspects and rush kick was a hammer i got

I promise you

[latent moon]

that's not possible

[rustic vale]

You don’t have zag fists?

[latent moon]

we can't really take your word for it lmao

unless you show a pic

[spare agate]

time to do talos runs then brb

[latent moon]

do you have the administrator room unlocked

could check there

[serene shadow]

Pact of Punishment with Gold Prices increased is actual hell.

[rustic vale]

Talos is quite literally the only aspect of fists that can’t get rush kick

[latent moon]

yeah dont take that

cf sucks

[rustic vale]

Yes it’s pretty bad, shouldn’t take it till post 32 heat imo

[serene shadow]

I'll stick to my 24 heat run record for now

[latent moon]

i've only used it at 40 heat because of how bad it is, and there's not much other options

[serene shadow]

I absolutely despise

Overtime

[latent moon]

there's a heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you want to look at that

[serene shadow]

Yeah I haven't gotten to it

[latent moon]

forced overtime makes you relearn the game to an extent, but once you learn it it becomes sorta "free"

[serene shadow]

Yeah

[latent moon]

6 heat off the pact is always nice

[serene shadow]

I usually do 20 heat normally

[rustic vale]

Forced overtime makes you faster so big win

[serene shadow]

haven't gotten to do my 32 heat

[serene shadow]

it makes my hatred fo satyrs

grow ever stronger

[sullen token]

my limit is like 16-20 heat rn

[rustic vale]

Just don’t get hit

[serene shadow]

not

[latent moon]

tidal dash + breaking wave makes them nonexistent

[serene shadow]

talking bout the smol ones

[rustic vale]

I’ve hit 32 heat but struggling with 40

Spearpoint makes satyrs legitimately free

[latent moon]

i've hit 50 but struggling with nonshield aspects at 40 lmao

[carmine cloak]

Lol I knew I shouldn't grab the money bag while playing Guan Yu but I can't just not take it.

[rustic vale]

I think I’m most likely to take charon bag if it’s tartarus tbh

[remote iris]

should i take a maimed defiance that goes into the Asterius and The Other Guy fight for the funny of having 2 extra defiances

[spare agate]

I'm having a hard time resetting and no matter how many times I reset I get the same 3 hammers on the fist

[rich horizon]

I have 23 ambrosia, and only have two people I can give ambrosia to right now. is it worth it to level up the one keepsake I have to max?

keepsake is mort

if rng smiles on me I should be getting meg's keepsake soon (ffs meg I've had you at 6 nectar for so long let me give you ambrosia)

[spare agate]

I have my proof of rush kick but I can't send pictures here @latent moon

[sullen token]

cant help you but good luck soldier o7

[remote iris]

How did I just do that

[latent moon]

Send image link or upload to imgur

[spare agate]

Gotcha

[latent moon]

You have to die to get a different start, hitting give up will keep the seed

[spare agate]

https://imgur.com/a/QxvRFpP @latent moon

[latent moon]

That's not Talos

[spare agate]

Oh yeah I don't have talos I though you guys were talking about just base ones

[latent moon]

I specifically said Talos many times

[remote iris]

"Rrngh, you stubborn... you shrug off death as though it means nothing to you..!" Yeah dad it kinda means a bit less when I can die 5 times and still get up and fight

[latent moon]

You did too

doesn't have talos
"Yeah it was definitely on Talos"

[brisk trail]

Tight deadline 1? More like... loose deadline!

[latent moon]

Td1 kinda free

[remote iris]

any tight deadline stresses me out

[sullen token]

i hate satyrs so much i was this close to getting through my 16 heat run but i kept getting poisoned

[remote iris]

so true

[sullen token]

i was tryin man it was not one of my prouder moments

[gleaming grove]

BRO I HAVE MAX ARROWHEAD WHY AM I GETTING POISEIDON AND DIONYUS!?!?

I have ran into Artemis once and it was in a double boon room with aphro!!!

[high island]

God keepsakes only have 1 charge to force that god to appear.

Until you've picked up a boon from them, which you already have.

[latent moon]

also the level of the keepsake doesn't matter at all in this situation lmao

[gleaming grove]

This has never happened before tho when I've taken a Gods keepsake, I always near exclusively gotten that god literally.

To an annoying degree sometimes tho

[latent moon]

well you took the trial

so that counted

the keepsake did its job lol

[manic kraken]

That’s prob just the god pool doing what it does tbf

[latent moon]

yeah lmao

it's just giving you random gods out of 4

or if it isn't full it's just throwing random gods at you

[north osprey]

So i just discovered you can skip|| the hades boss fight somehow|| how do i do that

[rustic vale]

10th escape

That’s the only time

Or use beowulf/hera /j

[north osprey]

So after the 10th escape i cant do that

What about before

[rustic vale]

It’s a special event on the 10th escape

It’s not just a thing you can do

[north osprey]

Ok

I see

[latent moon]

lmfao

just do hades skip

[soft forge]

Hades nendoroid arrived and I love hiiiim

[dusky solar]

god...

i am so rusty

i can believe i almost LOST that https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/934969306842791946/1055664488633868288/image.png?width=1618&height=910

i mean i guess its my first run in a month or so

but

phoooo...

[brisk trail]

#h1-victory-boasting btw

[latent moon]

Wins a win lol very nice

[dusky solar]

i thought it fit more here because i wanna know how i can get back into the swing of the game. that run was REALLY hard and for not even using FO2 that shouldve been super easy.

does anyone have like, tips to get back into the game?

[grizzled cedar]

I just got to the end credits and...

I don't like it

Bc we're helping hades

yes I do

I don't want to help hades find flaws in the under worlds security

Also based divine dash

Its my favorite boon

I want other people who want to escape, escape it

I mean... you don't know that

[brisk trail]

@brisk trail Speaking of darkness, I just maxed Fated Persuasion with the darkness from that goofy run :D https://prnt.sc/4D_x_xmLq7zc

[sturdy lynx]

What’s the best ost

[brisk trail]

Final expense (Payback Mix)

[grizzled cedar]

My fav is going to Persephone's garden

[brisk trail]

For Achilles spear, do I want % boon or flat boon on attack?

[grizzled cedar]

https://prnt.sc/cc7f1xbvuzFH

Here's mine

[brisk trail]

Golden touch only good if you are targeting charon diamonds/TB

[grizzled cedar]

Gotchu

thx

[brisk trail]

Flurry jab

Targeting flurry jab.

Zeus prob?

wait no, dio bc its attack not special

[rustic vale]

Artemis or flat damage

It really depends on your cast

If you end up with slicing shot you take artemis on attack
If you’ve divine phalanx you take zeus
If you want to play ME you play ME
If you want to do a dio build you do a dio build

[spare agate]

I really enjoy the dio build on Chiron bow but good tips if I want to do a spear run at any point

I heard achilies is a good aspect next to guan yu

[vague hollow]

ngl i wish there was a discord only for hades but i get that can be a mess

[vague hollow]

whats dio build?

[rustic vale]

Hangover

[rustic vale]

Achilles > Guan-Yu > Zag > Hades

[rustic vale]

Basically just pom the crap out of you single hangover source, force aphrodite for low tolerance, hope to natural ares for curse of nausea (through curse of vengeance) and turn on priviledged status

[rustic vale]

Example:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1036434099537199185/IMG_2451.jpg

[rustic vale]

Achilles > Guan-Yu > Zag > Hades
If it’s achilles or zagreus go for flurry jab and flat damage on attack (although if it’s achilles you can also go artemis)
For hades and zagreus, exploding launcher -> charged skewer is good.
If it’s guan-yu it’s just like charged skewer > quick spin > massive spin > serrated point > every other hammer
Serrated point is like discount flurry jab, but don’t take both at the same time because that massively decreases your defensive capabilities

[cyan crown]

Any fun build suggestions except plume fists

[lofty ether]

I just unlocked the aspect of Guan Yu, is it good?

[old dawn]

tricky

special's goated but it comes with a price of halving your hp and seemingly not really having a good attack combo

takes a long time to get used to

[sullen token]

^^

[frank torrent]

what's a good non ME build for aspect of nemesis

[sturdy nimbus]

heart rend

you go aphrodite attack then artemis special

and get their duo boon

then get extra dashes from hermes

for the dash boon itself, you can go artemis' for more damage or athena's for more safeguard

[frank torrent]

so force aphro first then arti if she hasn't shown up?

[rustic vale]

Yes

Or the other way around

Since nem crit builds can go either way it’s just nicer to have consistency with aphro strike

[sturdy nimbus]

well you can go artemis attack instead but why though lol

the sword itself can already crit as long as you do your specials regularly

[rustic vale]

More crit consistency

Then just use chaos for your additive

Also you can just roll with shackle

[frank torrent]

just got a 50% damage buff to dash-strikes off chaos

followed by double edge

[old dawn]

i still can't get used to dash striking 24/7 for dps

[rustic vale]

50% buff to dash strikes sounds quite low in terms of chaos boosts

[rustic vale]

is it common?

[sturdy nimbus]

yeah it gets some time to get used to

[old dawn]

50% is better than 0%

[sturdy nimbus]

it's the worst if you got no extra dashes from hermes

you get hit by dad so much especially on em4

[frank torrent]

yes unfortunately, wasn't offered anything better

[latent moon]

Common is 30-60 percent lol

Rare is 45-90

So 50% is pretty solid tbh

Common hunter dash

[cyan crown]

I'm running Achilles hunting blades rn I've got the auto reload from Hermes but uh there's this choice b/w another Hermes door and Athena door

What do i take

I've got nothing on my dash btw

[rustic vale]

Hermes

Hope for extra dashes or something

[cyan crown]

Also any suggestions for fun builds

[simple vault]

beowulf

pos cast

[brisk trail]

spin 2 win GY is rly fun but ur at the mercy of rng

[calm zenith]

Gilgamesh blade dash only

Optional: use maim

[brisk trail]

lol

nice name

[calm zenith]

I love that it still works

[rustic vale]

That sounds more like pain then it sounds fun

[calm zenith]

It's fun it's just boon rng hell

You zoom around and do good damagr

[rustic vale]

“Good damage” 🤨

[calm zenith]

You don't really get hit if you're still at the right rhythm

Try it out

You need the boons

It's actually my first win somehow

It's not a good build really because it's a pain to target

You wont suffer unless you're at like 30+ heat though

There's videos of it all over youtube

[simple vault]

how can i get around giving ambrosia to hermes?

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/kklY63-ekjC1

[shut kernel]

whats better death defiance or stubborn

[old dawn]

do you die to bosses or to hella buffed mobs thanks to bp2

[gray apex]

Death Defiance until you reach High Heat. Specifically when you cant heal traditionally anymore

[cyan crown]

Omg mike our lord and saviour

[native briar]

I thnk I unlocked the wrong aspects for the first time

Hestia, Eris, Quiron, Zeus and nemesis

[gray apex]

These are all really good

Although Hestia and Chiron want more blood

[sharp crow]

best builds for lucifer?

[buoyant harbor]

Either Zeus attack with one of the tripple-A specials (Athena, Artemis, Aphrodite), or Super Soaker: Poseidon Attack into Storm Lightning.

For super soaker you'll additionally want the hammer that allows you to never reload if you can get it.

[gray apex]

That's more of a meme build than an actual solid strat

[buoyant harbor]

Sea Storm is what I meant.

The duo boon.

[coarse iris]

am I tripping or is Hermes keepsake actually really good

it's what I run with

I know people like owl pendant

[shadow kindle]

Yo how do you get image permission

[north osprey]

Just beat the bone hydra|| and died to theseus||

[shadow kindle]

L, also no need for spoilers

[coarse iris]

but i feel like Hermes keepsake is vastly overlooked

[north osprey]

Also why is orpheus a|| woman is he a woman in hades or is it left ambiguous||

[coarse iris]

he's a guy

[shadow kindle]

The only place you can’t spoil ANYTHING is #h1-for-new-players

[coarse iris]

it's weird he does appear feminine

like he's strikingly feminine

[shadow kindle]

STOP USING SPOILER TAGS, ITS UNNECESSARY

[coarse iris]

but s guy for sure

[north osprey]

True

[coarse iris]

calm yo tits 😶

let a brother be 🤧

[pulsar bronze]

Somehow when I'm not even trying I'm managed to beat game in 11:00 IGT

But now when im try to speedrun game I'm can't even break my own record.

[shadow kindle]

N O

[coarse iris]

guards

[pulsar bronze]

F me

[shadow kindle]

n o

[coarse iris]

this bro has lost his composure

[coarse iris]

that's great time

[shadow kindle]

[coarse iris]

what's ur record??

[shadow kindle]

My record is :

[pulsar bronze]

Yeah but I'm trying to get under 10 minutes

[coarse iris]

🔥

[pulsar bronze]

11:04

[coarse iris]

what weapon u using??

[pulsar bronze]

😂 😂

[shadow kindle]

Dem fists best weapon

[gray apex]

It's alright, has the niche of activating his Legendary and opening Rd

[coarse iris]

but the dodge chance??

isn't that like op?

or

[shadow kindle]

So is 5 extra punches OBLITERATING ANYTHING

get Hermes or something. Dodge chance is a crutch, just don’t get hit

[gray apex]

The price that you're paying to get that dodge is basically leaving your build up to the rng to decide, since you're locked out of using other keepsakes

So it's not all that great

[shadow kindle]

Taking damage? DON’T

[coarse iris]

a risk I'm willing to take.

😎

[gray apex]

I'd rather kill things than take hits because my damage is ass and have a small chance to dodge those hits

[coarse iris]

gotchu

[rustic vale]

No you pay for it in dps

[pulsar bronze]

Eternal spear

[gray apex]

But it's alright

Overall

[shadow kindle]

Yeah but with dodge, you get no aspects and it is worse

[coarse iris]

I know it's not the best build... but I love running max level aspect of Chiron and going for Artemis crit builds and some Daedalus hammer 🤧

[rustic vale]

Which aspect

[coarse iris]

I spam dash attack

[pulsar bronze]

Default one

[coarse iris]

🤓

[rustic vale]

Zagreus

[coarse iris]

spear is goated

[pulsar bronze]

Im just love his special exploding

[shadow kindle]

Bro you are clearly not great at the game idk what you’re talking about

[coarse iris]

my movement and gameplay is good??

just because I don't go for the best possible builds doesn't make me a bad player....

[shadow kindle]

Is it tho

[coarse iris]

😶i have my preference

[shadow kindle]

Your preference is WRONG

[coarse iris]

who?

[shadow kindle]

INCORRECT

[coarse iris]

asked.

[shadow kindle]

Ok

[coarse iris]

please chill 💀

[shadow kindle]

NO

[coarse iris]

anywho, I completed a run with aspect of zagreus one time

[shadow kindle]

What weapon

[coarse iris]

I got the Daedalus hammer upgrade that lets you fire the special 3 times before reloading 🤧

was super OP

adamant rail

I think it was my second successful escape

[rustic vale]

Triple bomb best hammer on lucifer and then just discount cluster on every other rail

[coarse iris]

hmm

[shadow kindle]

Personally for my rail builds I use aspect of hestia, and make it into an actual railgun. You guys are playing hades, IM PLAYING RISK OF RAIN 2

Coc?

[coarse iris]

I'm playing your mom

jk

[shadow kindle]

unless…?

[pulsar bronze]

Get ares blood rift on you dash
JUST BUFF YOU'RE BLOOD RIFT AND BEAT GAME WITH ONLY DASH

[shadow kindle]

*Your

[coarse iris]

I gotta try it sometime 💀

not any time soon I'm not familiar with the best boon combinations and how to acquire them

[pulsar bronze]

My first language is not English so..

[thorny mirage]

mistral dash tho

[pulsar bronze]

Yes

[thorny mirage]

Vomit

[shadow kindle]

Keepsakes and rng

[coarse iris]

yeah u rite

🤧

[thorny mirage]

Dem still worst god imo

[pulsar bronze]

Imagine get epic more dashes boon from hermes and combined it with blood rift

[thorny mirage]

Therefore midstral dash

[shadow kindle]

General advice:
hard hitting weapon that’s slow to attack? Probably use Aphrodite or Artemis.
Fast/rapid attack? Zeus or Dionysus. Ares is bad, avoid for the most part

[thorny mirage]

ares ain’t bad

[shadow kindle]

WRONG

Awful boons

[thorny mirage]

[pulsar bronze]

In my opinion he is weakest

[thorny mirage]

he’s definitely not

[woeful finch]

I don’t think Artemis is better with slow weapons in particular because you will overkill with crits too much. But it’s good if you get % damage from chaos or hammers since it is multiplicative with crit

[pulsar bronze]

But I'm still like him

[shadow kindle]

Not good without merciful end, an rare duo boon

[thorny mirage]

rare????

smh

skissue on your end smh

[pulsar bronze]

He's character design is so awesome too

[shadow kindle]

Duo boons are pretty difficult to get

[thorny mirage]

Not really no

[pulsar bronze]

Than you tell me who's weakest

[jaunty vault]

Yo im getting hades tomorrow, do I get it on my PC or PS5?

[shadow kindle]

[thorny mirage]

nah

clearly it’s artemis

[shadow kindle]

Demeter?

[thorny mirage]

I mean who likes crit

crit is so bad

[jaunty vault]

any answer or no

[pulsar bronze]

You know all of them is kinda strong so its hard to say who is weakest but for me it's ares

[thorny mirage]

more damage?

[shadow kindle]

You’re actually trolling now right? This is a joke right

[pulsar bronze]

Dude what?

[thorny mirage]

Pee See

[shadow kindle]

Crying rn wtf

[thorny mirage]

Who wants to deal more damage in a roguelike

[pulsar bronze]

She is one of the best

[thorny mirage]

just get a better god like demeter

[pulsar bronze]

Her call is best

[thorny mirage]

No what

[pulsar bronze]

Its just to op

[thorny mirage]

her call is not why you take arty

[shadow kindle]

Her call is awful

[woeful finch]

It’s the same on all systems, I like to play on the go so I got it on PC because I have steam deck

[shadow kindle]

It shoots an arrow. Yeah I do that with my bow thank you

[thorny mirage]

demeter better

[shadow kindle]

Yeah he’s trolling

[pulsar bronze]

Get epic call and upgrade it few time than its deal about 2000~3000 without critical

And if you get critical it's can go up to 7000 damage easily

That's just op

[thorny mirage]

smh stubborn defiance

[thorny mirage]

other calls do better consistent damage and are just better

[shadow kindle]

💀 same energy

[thorny mirage]

Without full call

she’s really mid

[shadow kindle]

USE ARTEMIS

[pulsar bronze]

Yeah before full call it's trash

[thorny mirage]

Yeah that’s not good lmao

anyways yeah artemis is pretty good

Successful trolling

[shadow kindle]

what

[pulsar bronze]

Too bad because I'm always full calling 💀 💀

[thorny mirage]

You were jebaited

[shadow kindle]

It was obvious as heck, it wasn’t a good troll

[thorny mirage]

Several people asked if I was serious so

[shadow kindle]

No sane person would call Artemis bad

[pulsar bronze]

I'm think if I'm say that everyone going to attack me

[coarse iris]

Artemis full call OP 🤧

[pulsar bronze]

But I'm not using calls that mush

👀

[thorny mirage]

good for you

[pulsar bronze]

Yeah

[coarse iris]

hella dmg

[shadow kindle]

How do I get image perms I want to post something reaaallly dumb

[thorny mirage]

you don’t

[rustic vale]

[pulsar bronze]

It's just boring for me

[coarse iris]

gotem

[rustic vale]

Just send the image link

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1027412687799468042/IMG_2293.png

[shadow kindle]

The what

Oh.

No clue how to do that

[rustic vale]

Obliterating with zeus or dio calls is fun

[pulsar bronze]

I'm not hating on call's they are great but I'm just like to play with my attack and special it's just thing

I'm never use cast's ether

All of what?

[thorny mirage]

You’re kinda handicapping yourself

[pulsar bronze]

Just attack special and dash

Call's just sometimes

[thorny mirage]

God

Megless Witches’s Circle sucks

[shadow kindle]

How tf do I link an image

[pulsar bronze]

Idk

Lol

:)

[thorny mirage]

Every time I have athena

I get barge of death

[shadow kindle]

how do I get a link for an IMAGE

[thorny mirage]

Or gorgon and cyclops

[tulip coral]

i hate that room with a burning passion

[shadow kindle]

On mobile maybe? I can’t click anything

[rustic vale]

I usually just send it to an empty discord I’m in then click or tap on the image till the option comes up to copy the link

[rustic vale]

Hold on a message

[shadow kindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867045762843934731/1055842493142401034/IMG_0851.png

[tulip coral]

i know, that doesn't stop me from hating it

[shadow kindle]

YES

[pulsar bronze]

Athena is boring because she just help you not getting damage wich is op but I'm want to deal lots of damage instead

[tulip coral]

then get athena strike

[shadow kindle]

Kronos with a hammer

[rustic vale]

I’m trying to figure out how to go directly from iphone to image link

[pulsar bronze]

You know not dealing as mush as other's

[shadow kindle]

NEMESIS

supergiant knew what they were doing with that design

[north osprey]

Spear is better than shield ngl

[rustic vale]

I mean from my camera roll

Without sending it to an empty discord server first

[north osprey]

Sure the shield can Block but spear is stronger and quicker plus with a divine dash build the shield is secondary compared to the spear

[rustic vale]

Stronger and quicker 🤨

[north osprey]

Yes

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t say that

[north osprey]

The spear is best weapon with the right builds

[shadow kindle]

Spear confuses me and I refuse to use it

[north osprey]

Shield is the second best

[north osprey]

How lmfao

[rustic vale]

I like spear but I wouldn’t say it’s stronger then shield or bow

[shadow kindle]

I don’t get it. How do you use it??????

[north osprey]

also im building up my keepsake collection just to use cerberus collar

I dont use any other keepsake other than cerberus collar it gives more health

[north osprey]

Its easy use it just like any other weapon but the special you throw the spear and you can recollect it by pressing the special or attack button or running into it

[rustic vale]

Dash strike
If it’s not achilles you can focus on special if you want to (gy: charged skewer, zagreus and hades: exploding launcher -> charged skewer)
Zag and achilles really want flurry jab
Serrated is kind of discount flurry jab but you don’t want both

[north osprey]

The spear special is perfect for dealing with shield enemies

And it counts as a backstab

[gray apex]

[north osprey]

So more damage

[gray apex]

The best way to deal with shield enemies is to dash behind them

[rustic vale]

Non-guan-yu Non-exploding launcher spear special is

[rustic vale]

Nigh unusable

[void vigil]

Jokes of this nature are not welcome here, please refer to rule 1 in #readme-first

[pulsar bronze]

Ok 👌

[sturdy nimbus]

mfw trying out guan yu (for real) for the first time and I got common aphro special + no chaos + purple rare crop got the attack instead

[cyan crown]

I haven't even unlocked it yet

[thorny mirage]

I hate crop

Never hits the boons you want

Yeah please hit strong drink

Instead of idk

Arty special

[sturdy nimbus]

also I got artemis but she just won't give pressure points for some reason

like yay thanks for giving me heart rend right before lernie

now can I please get pressure points so I can actually capitalize on it?

[proud olive]

any tips for geting titans blood?

[slender fossil]

heat

[high island]

Pressure Points isn't priority, and by taking a core crit boon from her that opens up her t2 crit boons, you already diluted her pool a lot.

[sturdy nimbus]

yeah

[thorny mirage]

ok so like

how do you use zeus shield again

[sturdy nimbus]

I was just confused because 9 times out of 10, if I haven't taken Pressure Points, Artemis will provide it as an option

[vital spade]

Ew hades 2 has a GIRL main character? I will NOT be buying it that’s for sure

[thorny mirage]

Original joke

[vital spade]

Tired of the whole woke agenda

[thorny mirage]

Two for two!

[torpid grail]

silk

[thorny mirage]

You’re in the HK server aren’t you

[torpid grail]

yes

[thorny mirage]

Yep

[rustic vale]

Pressure points is only good if you have hunters mark tbh

[torpid grail]

i've run into two hk discord mods in other servers in the past month

[sturdy nimbus]

yeah my idea was to take pp and then hunter's mark

[vital spade]

How will the haydeez nuts joke work with a female main character?

[rustic vale]

[thorny mirage]

Is frozen touch a pommable boon

[rustic vale]

Iirc yes

[thorny mirage]

God

[vital spade]

How many escape attempts does it take the average player to clear the 4 worlds

[thorny mirage]

who knows

[rustic vale]

It really really varies

Mine was like 50th on the dot

I can’t really say an average exists though

[vital spade]

I got to the third boss on my 7th run then died to Meg on my 8th

[thorny mirage]

My first was like 60 or 70

This time it was like

10

[rustic vale]

Even if a poll got taken that’d still be only the Hades players that looked on social media and saw it

[thorny mirage]

It is zeus squared time

[rustic vale]

[torpid grail]

i'd need to check
probably high because i inflicted hell mode upon myself

[thorny mirage]

if steam had a poll

It would be vaguely accurate

[rustic vale]

That’d still be missing a large enough to matter percentage of the player base

[vital spade]

I saw this dude playing on YouTube and he seemed like he sucked. Like he kept dashing right into spikes over and over but he said he beat the game 6 times after 20 runs and I’m like nah that’s 🧢

[high island]

There's a high chance she offers it if it's your first boon from her and you already have any core boons.

Because her t1 pool is small.

[sturdy nimbus]

yeah I know, that's why I was so confused on how it just never appears on this run

[thorny mirage]

What’s the optimal zeus shield attack pattern again

[rustic vale]

Hit special
Do whatever else
Idk

[thorny mirage]

COMMON DOUBLE STRIKE??

ZEUS

[high island]

If you know all this, why were you confused.

[rustic vale]

That’s… an overreaction

[thorny mirage]

YOUR SON HAS RETURNED

I BRING THE DESTRUCTION OF OLYMPUS

[rustic vale]

Double strike ain’t exactly that strong in terms of t2 zeus boons to warrant such a reaction

When Jolted exists

[thorny mirage]

Hyperbole is never a thing that anyone on discord can do

Neither is sarcasm

[vital spade]

Is there any way to rig the game to get the boons u want

[thorny mirage]

Fated persuasion and keepsakes

[rustic vale]

It’s a ludicrous, ridiculous, horrendous amount of hyperbole

[thorny mirage]

Also routing exists but that is not

feasible

[rustic vale]

It’s not exactly rigging the game so much as brute forcing your way into hitting everything

[thorny mirage]

Oh onay

Purple jolted

Thanks zeus

I should take common high voltage

[rustic vale]

purple jolted is the type of thing to go into hyperbole for

[vital spade]

What’s routing

[high island]

The only person who rigs the game is Amir.

Against us.

[rustic vale]

Bouldy*

[sharp crow]

how rare are legend boons after i have met the requirements? i need the +2 cast artemis boon for beowulf

[torpid grail]

bouldy on his way to give me ambiguity bonus for the third straight run

[floral nova]

can confirm

[sharp crow]

i see

[rustic vale]

Fully loaded is cursed, you’ll never get it on a castpect, always on a non-castpect

[thorny mirage]

I love fully loaded on my gilgamesh runs

[vital spade]

I want a recharging health build with 150+ health

Why not

That’s why u get more health

I already did it once and got 100 health, and didn’t get that far

More like 6-8 hearts

And u only need one high damaging skill anywayz

[rustic vale]

Draining cutter demeter
Or just any weapon with stubborn roots

[carmine cloak]

I lost all my defiances to Charon in Tartarus but I think I might actually finish this run now.

Holy hell rip current is actually so good.

[astral sinew]

was it ever mentioned or hinted that zag had a sibling in the game?

[cyan crown]

Uh can any1 suggest a gd Arthur build

[carmine cloak]

Hades has many siblings?

[astral sinew]

sorry

nto hades

zag

mb

not* hades

[thorny mirage]

No

[carmine cloak]

He has a sibling now?

[thorny mirage]

Hades II

[astral sinew]

^

[thorny mirage]

ingame

after zag was born

And died

persephone left

[carmine cloak]

I know nothing about Hades 2 other than the protagonist being a girl.

[thorny mirage]

And hades was faithful to her

So she was born after the events of the first game clearly

[astral sinew]

i cam across a convo between zag and persephone in the game where he goes like "wait are ya ll talking about having more kids" and persephone says no

[thorny mirage]

Well you know not everyone plans on more kids

[astral sinew]

esp the gods lmao

when the trailer came out i had to hop back in

i had one last thing to do, the 32 heat thing

[primal merlin]

In universe its likely that they just changed their mind or Zag really insisted for a sibling, or uh, an "aciddent", I guess.

Out universe they just didnt knew Hades II was going to be a thing. Or if they did, they didnt knew there would be a protagonist change.

[sturdy nimbus]

I think she also said that when they (the in-game characters) were still planning on the epilogue

so she could've changed her mind after

[carmine cloak]

I keep having this issue where I just don't know why I'm winning.

[cyan crown]

Heat

[true willow]

Have you seen the figurine ? Is it actually only 34 € ?

[vital spade]

[thorny mirage]

I love it when Hades just lets you go

He even reacts when you try and hit him

Oop and that’s number 10

Goodbye Greece

That was also a banger achilles aphro cast run

Crazy how the styx changes color so much too

[sharp crow]

any tips for fresh save run?

[latent moon]

a lot of practice and grinding

if you dont get ME run's dead basically

i'm assuming you mean clearing on run 1

not many people here actually do fresh file, but there's a channel in the speedrunnning discord just for it (in #self-promotion pins)

[sterile vapor]

whos getting the hades figurines from goodsmile

i might

[spare agate]

Finally beat the big man himself on my fresh file save

[primal merlin]

What's ME?

[latent moon]

merciful end

[primal merlin]

Oh, I see, thanks

[coarse iris]

whaaa

that's insane ggs 👀👀

🔥

[runic harbor]

Me! I already have Zag shipping in

[tired karma]

on first attempt?

[median crag]

i just preordered the meg one, zag arrived earlier this week ... eying than

they're so cute

[tulip matrix]

Finally got the last legendary boon for the prophecy

Demeters legendary is so nice

[carmine cloak]

Zag bow gives a global crit chance?

Oh no wait

"Critical Attack Chance", it's worded a bit weird but I think it refers to the attack.

[high island]

Attack only, yeah.

[vital spade]

[tulip matrix]

Let's see if i can first try extreme measures Hades with 16 heat

[vital spade]

[tulip matrix]

I failed

[vital spade]

No one saw that coming

[tulip matrix]

I was so close though

Just didn't have enough damage

[violet oriole]

I can’t wait to play hades tomorrow

WOOOO

[tulip matrix]

Attempt 2 at 16 heat going way better

[tulip matrix]

Attempt 2 was successful!

NEVEMRIND

HE HAS

WHAT

OKAY

I SAVED IT

[primal merlin]

EM4?

[tulip matrix]

EM4 indeed

[vital spade]

Haydeez

[tulip matrix]

1st attempt i died during his 2nd phase so didnt think much on it

This run i went through it and like hey i won

SIKE

Still got him though!

[frank torrent]

what's a good beowulf build?

[spare agate]

I belive its the same from before

Posideon cast with Artemis duo

[frank torrent]

kk, thx

dashing, empowering, or charged flight?

[rustic vale]

ew

[frank torrent]

yeah i can tell that lmao

died to start a new run, got cshot first room

followed by epic flood flare and artemis attack in the next 2

[flat bloom]

mirage shot before meg???

[frank torrent]

not with my luck, i won't see posideon or artemis before styx now

[flat bloom]

force artemis to show up in asphodel

rng gods bless

[sturdy nimbus]

beo is like the easiest overpowered aspect in the game lol, apart from like eris

when you get those extra casts and mirage shot

boom

each dad phase defeated in 1 volley

[frank torrent]

fought charon and died lol

[vital spade]

[carmine cloak]

Next time, do the first part without doing the second part.

[flat bloom]

just dont fight charon lmao

[rustic vale]

leaving asphodel at 9:31

[gray apex]

[rustic vale]

even though it's 40 heat

it shouldn't take that long

[high island]

9:31 is good enough, what are you beating yourself up for?

[rustic vale]

feels slow

artemis special zeus shield is cursed

[high island]

Because you see too many high level speedrunners posting their runs.

Most players wouldn't make it out of Asphodel on 40 Heat, and you're beating yourself up over time when it's your first 40 Heat with that aspect.

[rustic vale]

I've escaped almost as fast as this

it's not the first 40 heat attempt with zeus

it's the second with zeus but this time it's not dio special

[high island]

Deadly Flourish is fine, though.

[rustic vale]

also... erebus gate as first chamber to elysium

[high island]

Nice.

[rustic vale]

lost my centaur heart to an fo2 archer

[high island]

That's unfortunate.

Are you using Fidi?

[rustic vale]

Antos 💪

cshot got ap1ed hahahha

[high island]

Antos doesn't help much with Erebus.

[rustic vale]

C31 and things aside from my dps is feeling fine

divine protection!

Nooo I died 16:17 with heroes both in their second phase

Rip

Demeter time

C2 erebus gate had flame wheels

[high island]

Probably easier if you stick with one aspect.

[high island]

Nyaanyaa Mewmew — Today at 12:42 AM
Antos doesn't help much with Erebus.

[rustic vale]

antos is cuter

ap1 wants me to get everything but aphro flourish

[rustic vale]

I think I will just stick with zeus then

[high island]

Can get more focused practice like that, yeah.

[icy knoll]

sudden rush is very good at high heat

especially em4 where taking charged shot is dangerous

unyielding defence is probably better for heat but it's down to opinion i think

[ionic minnow]

If I clear 45 heat with a cold embrace build will that prove that cold embrace is actually good

U just gotta do big brain

[icy knoll]

i mean as heat increases the number of boons goes down, that seems not unreasonable

once you get ap2 and ri1 on you're nearly always playing a 1-boon build

[flat bloom]

wait wtf

is there a link

[opal meteor]

A thought came to recently, If Hades was based on a different mythology:

1: What would it be called?

2: Who would you play as?

3: Who would be the "antagonist"?

[flat bloom]

roman

kidding

[quiet chasm]

is chaos good on t1? or is it neccessary to upgrade it fully

[icy knoll]

chaos is never really good

the most optimal way to play it is just like zag shield (but worse)

[quiet chasm]

whats wrong with it

[icy knoll]

the special, even if you have 5, doesn't deal enough damage

[quiet chasm]

ah

good enough for 3 heat tho right? 💀

[icy knoll]

shield has a really good hammer called charged shot, which outclasses the special in most ways

you can beat 3 heat with a tissue paper

[opal meteor]

For Japan

1. Yomi
2. Emperor Jimmu
3. Amatsu-Mikaboshi

[gray apex]

There are much better aspects than Chaos idk I never really liked the way it plays or found it fun

[quiet chasm]

roman but the protag's name is julius

[ionic minnow]

Anything good for 3 heat

I'd like to see a game<6go**--6ds6 * (,];<*7

Sorry was juggling my phone - would be cool to see a game about the Filipino gods (like the Diwata)

Similar concept

[limpid ocean]

flurry fire, ricochet, or cluster bomb on eris rail? zeus primary so far

doesnt that make absorbing your own special harder?

nvm i can see why now

i thought it shot 5 rockets out but thats because the last time i got cluster i got it thorugh the anvil which also gave me the 80 damage rocket thing too

[ionic minnow]

No, and also clockets (cluster bomb rockets) is possibly the best combination of any two hammers in the game

The 3 minute speedrun wr used clockets

[limpid ocean]

yeah its so good

okay if i get the +69 max life thing from chaos but i have the +30% thing from aphrodite, will i get another 30% on top of the 69 or does that already include the bonus?

only one way to find out i guess

is artemis good for cluster?

she's in the shop rn

already got zeus primary and aph life gain thing, could get art special and then poseidon keepsake for asphodel for dash

[high island]

Life Affirmation doesn't affect Chaos boons.

[vital spade]

Omg I beat the 3rd boss on my first try :0

Palms r sweaty

And now I’m dead

My build was kinda op I had lvl 6 doom so just hit and run

[quiet chasm]

good arthur build?

[limpid ocean]

what's the record for most chaos gates in a run?

[vital spade]

I’m back at the 4th world with 200 health :3

I’m gonna die

[vital spade]

Tiny vermin killed me

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[vital spade]

Am I getting fairly far for my 11th run

I rely like the spear idk if it’s even good

[latent moon]

reaching styx at the 11th run is pretty fast i'd say

[quiet chasm]

when you get heart rend without the rend because u barely find artemis boons so your ||arthur|| only ends up doing 400 damage a hit for crits

[grizzled cedar]

ok so I'm doing another run after persephone came home

and hermes came and said "I heard someone came back homw"

how does he know?!

[polar quail]

its because hermes is all knowing and sees everything

He is watching your actions even beyond the game. at all times

[grizzled cedar]

why doesn't zagreus react to this?!

[stone rune]

santa irl

[grizzled cedar]

I'm looking it up online and all I'm getting is lore olympus or actual greek mythology 😤

yeah, its in the wiki too

[strong ridge]

hes literally just that fast and connected

[grizzled cedar]

why doesn't he tell zues?

[strong ridge]

if he spread gossip of everything he heard there would be no hermes

aside from that hes rooting for zag anyway

[grizzled cedar]

damn

he's a real one

[strong ridge]

fr

[vital spade]

Am I just a dummy head or is the right way to use the bow and arrow as a close up weapon

[latent moon]

depends lol

youre supposed to always dash strike with it

for a faster charge rate

you can get closer to them for more damage if you have twin shot, point blank, or triple shot (standing on top of them for triple basically)

[vital spade]

Ya better dps

[lofty ether]

does your dash strike count as part of your attack?

I'm using the aspect of nemesis and was wondering if your dash strike crits or not

[latent moon]

it does

[lofty ether]

Great

[latent moon]

the only time an attack modifier doesn't apply to dash strikes is if it's a hammer or from hermes

swift strike doesn't help with dash strikes, shadow slash doesnt help with dash strikes

[lofty ether]

ok thanks

[rustic vale]

And only some hammers only apply to attack and not dash strike

[latent moon]

i thought i said that

[vital spade]

Why are some of the god powers amazing and some r useless

[vital tapir]

entering ely with 100 max hp but +2 dashes ddash and hyper

[primal merlin]

Which do you think are useless? Most of the time they are just not good in a weapon/aspect. But most of them can be considered good I think.

[calm zenith]

You have to have some duds or mediocre ones in a sense

The ones you think are useless are probably okay with other boons from that God

[manic kraken]

or good with other weapons/builds

[woven widget]

So i just fought Hades with EM for the first time and got through it 75% comfortably, but that's mostly because i got through a lot of the devastating attacks by blocking using the shield. Any tips on how to beat Hades with other weapons?

I only lost because I had a terrible run in with Theseus and The Bull where I lost 2 uses of Death Defiance, but regained 1 because of that one Athena boon.

[vital tapir]

7 opportunities with no mirage and it's ap1'd out on the 8th

[sharp thistle]

Sometimes I wonder why is Black-Out so cracked on Hera Bow

[sharp thistle]

Play Eris Aspect and you should be good. ( put Zeus keepsake for Tartarus and take the attack boon)

[sharp thistle]

That’s called “balance” mate.

[frank torrent]

would a posideon cast mirage shot build work well with hera?

[sharp thistle]

It depends on witch gods you pick with them

[flat bloom]

mirage shot isnt as effective cuz it isnt beo but it could probably work

[sharp thistle]

It would work best with Dionysus cast , mirage shot and of course the one and only : Black-Out.

You just have to put artémis on the special/call and poseidon on the dash. ( Dionysus on the attack ofc because it’s gonna hugely stack)

[high island]

It's not quite Crush Shot, but it's not bad.

[violet oriole]

Morning

[brisk trail]

I got this run over 1200 should I buy the diamond?

Can you keep the coins after a run?

[carmine cloak]

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever crunched the numbers on what is better on something with inherent crit, like, say, zag bow. Artemis or Aphrodite?

[high island]

Heartbreak Strike better.

[carmine cloak]

I think it's funny that you can get access to most of Artemis's kit with just pressure points. Only duo boons require core boons.

[tulip matrix]

You keep no coins after runs

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c0C5S__GYUO8Cz2ibKhOUu7okqDTqhGRuCzwRlz6X1U/edit?usp=drivesdk

[carmine cloak]

The left column is the level of the boon?

[high island]

No, it's additive bonus damage from other sources.

This one compares levels, too, but don't have sheets for Nemesis and Zag Bow. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AIW5HbOHISyth1SjJxlwA6Achu5iDk9hhFr3bwm6nFU/edit?usp=drivesdk

[carmine cloak]

So at low additive damage, aphrodite wins out

With no external crit bonus anyway.

I assume that when you start adding external crit bonuses, the threshold for artemis becoming better gets higher.

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite also has better min damage.

Classic crit builds have both for Heart Rend anyway.

[patent moss]

Got the game some time back
Having lots of fun
Only suprised at the fact that I've already gotten a few hours in and the mirror says I've only played 11 runs wtf

[high island]

Deadly Strike + Passion Dash on Zag Bow, Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish on Nemesis.

[carmine cloak]

Yeah but it affects what slot is preferred for which god.

[high island]

I'd rather start Heartbreak Strike and go for Hunter Dash and Smoldering Air on Zag Bow though.

[carmine cloak]

Why not aphrodite attack and artemis whatever on zagbow?

[raw herald]

Speedrun meta is starting splash dash on zag bow

[carmine cloak]

Oh hunter dash is ace, that's just a straightup damage increase.

Why splash dash?

[high island]

Because AOE.

[raw herald]

Good AOE in Tartarus which zag bow struggles with

And high damage later on

Can apply razor shoals (helping in asphodel), and procs breaking wave (demolishes styx)

[carmine cloak]

Years ago I thought divine dash was the goat, but now I learn everyone swearing by splash dash so much that people just pick it first and just deal with the consequences of maybe not having their preferred primary attack.

[high island]

Divine Dash is safe. You don't care for safety in speedruns.

[carmine cloak]

Anyway if I understand this chart, Artemis is better when common.

[raw herald]

Relative to Aphrodite common, yeah

[high island]

It's not that simple anyway. That's just a direct DPS comparison disregarding variance, boon pool, etc.

[raw herald]

It’s less reliant on rarity

[high island]

I made those way back in Early Access when no one had looked at those numbers yet.

[carmine cloak]

Here's another attempt at Guan Yu low blood. So far I was lucky in finding the right buffs to special. Artemis and Chaos as well.

[high island]

Just don't get hit. Easy.

[carmine cloak]

The not getting hit part is easier when the special is reliable.

Oh, Breaching Skewer.

[high island]

It's reliable enough.

[carmine cloak]

I mean I'd still need to bump up the numbers.

[high island]

Just do Special > Dash-Strike x2 combos and never get hit.

Easy.

[carmine cloak]

lol I didn't know wells had an item to prevent flame wheels lol

[tulip matrix]

Best item from charon's well

[carmine cloak]

Can't you just not get hit by flame wheels?

[tulip matrix]

Don't have to not get hit if they don't spawn

[carmine cloak]

Hm.. Stubborn Defiance. Nice.

[silent willow]

hey yall how do I start liking rail it's the only weapon that doesn't really sit with me

it feels strong, but its basic attack just feels hella clunky

I normally disable autoaim for bow but I need it on with rail just to make it not aim somewhere off to the side, and even then it will sometimes miss a stationary enemy right on top of the cursor

Picked this game up two days ago and really loving it so far but gosh I'm in pain whenever I see the darkness bonus on rail pff

[carmine cloak]

Okay so the secret to liking rail is..