h1-discussion

[tired karma]

Is arthur as hot as she? I don't think so

It is pretty good
When you just use attack the entire game without needing the special

[rustic vale]

I mean optimal dps for sword is special -> dash strike -> dash strike last I checked

for every non-arthur sword

[thorny mirage]

Optimal shmoptimal

Why have the best damage possible when you can just special spam

[tired karma]

Isn't it just buffing the attack speed and movement speed

[rustic vale]

special only sword is funny lol

[tired karma]

Why use special if u can just dash strike forever

[thorny mirage]

That requires more brain function

[rustic vale]

because you special during the cooldown between dashing

[thorny mirage]

It is scientifically proven that pressing two buttons requires more brain than pressing one

[rustic vale]

it's more of
special -> dash strike for as many dashes as you have -> repeat

[thorny mirage]

Yeah I know

[rustic vale]

you can't dash forever because of the cooldown which is when you hit special

[tired karma]

I feel like the special animation is too slow and breaks the momentum

[rustic vale]

it's not really too slow

if it was too slow they wouldn't use it for speedruns lol

[tired karma]

I've seen speedrunners using only attack and dash with merciful end build on zag's sword

Ares attack with divine dash

[hollow halo]

do you think charon loots your corpse as he drags you down the river styx

[rustic vale]

optimal dps rotation for zag sword is still dash strike till dash cooldown > special

ME doesn't change that

you'd still special once you ran out of dashes afaik

[latent moon]

The other option while waiting for dash cooldowns would be to do standing strikes lmao

Which for ME isn't useful because the special probably does more damage considering you have athena on it

And doom doesn't stack

[grizzled cedar]

I finally did a run

It took me 40 tries

You know the funny part

[limpid ocean]

so, going into elysium i had poseidon, zeus, dio, and 1 aphrodite boon. used a fated persuasion for a reroll so i could sell my 1 aphrodite boon before elysium, equipped the artemis keepsake and went in.

shouldn't I still be able to get an artemis boon? the next room is poseido&aphrodite clash of the titans (or w/e its called)

[grizzled cedar]

In the hades fight, I beat it with 2 lives remaining

[limpid ocean]

what do you mean by that

i guess the better way to word that question: does purging a boon remove that god from my pool?

weird

because i didnt get an artemis yet

but yet the next room is either trial poseidon+aphrodite or patrocles

oooh ok

so going for trial is safe then?

as in i can still get artemis afterward?

sweet thanks

[pulsar hemlock]

https://prnt.sc/IXer29q60bDv

5 in one run 👍

Went a bit yolo x)

[grizzled cedar]

question: How long will it take to max out 4 characters?

heart gauges I mean

[pulsar hemlock]

Ehh, hmm... Depends? 🤷

I think... there may be like, 8 hearts? And the lock will be removed depending on a certain thing you do. Don't remember them all. And then I think you need to get a certain dialogue with them, I think, which does include a little RNG? 🤔

[latent moon]

it'll take a while lmao

the favor and can take a while

and getting them to the locked heart as well

[grizzled cedar]

dam

I already filled it up to the lock

[pulsar hemlock]

Also depends on how much you focus on getting the nectar

[grizzled cedar]

And I have ambrosia

I want to fill out Nyx and Eurydice for example

I also finished a run

[primal merlin]

On Nyx I would recommend to try ||to go to chaos at least once each run, because to unlock her heart you need to talk to Chaos.|| And keep talking to her, obviously

[limpid ocean]

i swear, like the last 5 runs where i built specifically for a duo boon, i met the requirements, then get like 10 boons each run after meeting requirements and dont get offered it

so annoying

[grizzled cedar]

I already filled up chaos

[primal merlin]

Yes, but to unlock Nyx's heart you need to keep talking to Chaos

[grizzled cedar]

I see

what happens when you max out a bond anyway?

[polar quail]

you get a cute picture of them next to their keepsake

[grizzled cedar]

ooooo worth it

Now I need to do it

[polar quail]

found out that Skelly has dialogue if you attack the statues

[grizzled cedar]

I don't care for skully

or hypnos either

most annoying characters

[limpid ocean]

^

[polar quail]

skelly is my bro, how dare u

[grizzled cedar]

I do dare

f skelly

[brisk trail]

lol

Skelly doesn't rly talk much

[polar quail]

why dont u like skelly

I get hypnos but what did skelly ever do

[grizzled cedar]

I actually don't

I don't know why I got heated

but f hypnos

[primal merlin]

And for some of them, like Meg, you get a summon keepsake

[limpid ocean]

is aspect of lucifer any good?

[grizzled cedar]

that's cool

[oak pelican]

i like it

[grizzled cedar]

it's gonna be alot of grinding

[cyan jolt]

I wonder who has the least Voicelines in the game

I'm guessing Patroclus or Eurydice

[primal merlin]

Probably Charon

Or tisiphone

[manic kraken]

I find it weird that the first time I beat the heroes I did it without losing a death defiance, and then the same thing happened for my first hades kill

I’m not able to get builds good enough to just beat the boss when I do my first time

it’s always completely broken

[grizzled cedar]

me tooo lmaoo

[rich horizon]

yeah the first time I killed Hades I died in Tartarus the run after

[polar quail]

I feel so much slower with the shield than fists

[primal merlin]

The fists are meant to be a fast paced weapon

[pulsar hemlock]

What is "touch of styx" in Charon's shop??

[full perch]

Death defiance

[analog elbow]

It's the Stubborn Defiance equivalent of Kiss of Styx

[polar quail]

yeah but I was so slow I nearly timed out to meg and I timed out to lernie and if I didnt die to a normal elysium enemy wouldve definitely run out of time for theseus and asterius

[analog elbow]

Each weapon plays differently from the others thankfully

Some are slower, but this also depends on your build

[latent moon]

ngl unless it's beo or zeus shield, not having cshot and/or not having zag shield at a good level can make it a drag

[polar quail]

I was using zeus shield

maybe its because I was using fists so long trying to win

[latent moon]

should be fine if you have dio or zeus on the special

[polar quail]

i had zeus on special. ill try again later

[latent moon]

the other day i had like a 23ish minute run with a lvl 1 zeus shield and didn't get dio special on it until like start of ely lmao

[ionic minnow]

Rama is my favorite bow over Hera, Zeus is my favorite shield over Beowulf, and Arthur is my favorite sword over Nemesis. The rest I agree with the community on, Demfists, Eris gun, and Guan-Yu spear.

[brisk trail]

Oh good I actually had a rama question

https://prnt.sc/hobhsn1xME7I

Which one should I take on rama?

[latent moon]

point blank

[ionic minnow]

Explosive shot pretty much 100% of the time, it does twice as much damage, and slow charge-up isn't really a concern because let's be honest, how often do you fully charge up rama

[latent moon]

explosive shot makes the charge take way too long

you always full charge rama

[ionic minnow]

Sounds like slow and horrible gameplay

[latent moon]

dash strikes make it charge fast

[ionic minnow]

Rama does enough damage to where you don't always need to fully charge it

[latent moon]

sometimes

full charges is better boss damage and room clearing esp with shared suffering

[ionic minnow]

W/e, defer to bananas I guess, they prob have more experience than me, I'd still take explosive personally tho

[brisk trail]

ok point blank it is

[latent moon]

i prob do lmao

[brisk trail]

ty

[latent moon]

the hammers for rama is twin/triple and then point blank or perfect shot

most prefer twin over triple because to make good use of triple you need to be basically on top of them

so twin is just more consistent and safer

[brisk trail]

Gotcha. But if I do get triple (with no twin option), I take that over other hammers and just try to stand on top of things I guess

[latent moon]

yeah

[brisk trail]

Sounds good

[latent moon]

i personally would not but it's probably the better way to play it lol

[brisk trail]

I like having 2 hammers I really want instead of 1, makes that Elysium hammer less stressful

[latent moon]

if point blank or perfect shot is there i would probably take one of those two

over triple

because consistency

[brisk trail]

Which one is perfect? That makes the power shot better?

[latent moon]

better and easier

[brisk trail]

Right right, alright

[latent moon]

perfecet and point blank both give 150% bonus so it doesnt really matter too much

point blank gives you better damage if you dont fully charge because sometimes you have to release early if you're gonna get hit

perfect just gives more damage because 1) it's a perfect shot and 2) 150% on top of that

so personal preference at that point probably

[cobalt slate]

whats better zues shield or chaos shield

[latent moon]

zeus

[cobalt slate]

k

[limpid ocean]

i just used eris rail for the first time and also no hit dad for the first time

[brisk trail]

Late to the convo here, but this entirely depends on your definition of struggle, and later down the messages, what you consider good in a speedrun

Because I think it does ok in Asphodel. It's tricky but you have damage to kill most enemies if you can catch them, which not everyone is good at

[limpid ocean]

on bow, is boosting dash strike damage preferable over deadly strike?

or does deadly strike also apply to dash strike too?

[brisk trail]

If you mean Hunter Dash vs Deadly Strike, then usually Hunder Dash is worthwhile, because Dash-strikes are more practical overall on Bow

Deadly Strike will apply to dash-strikes too, but the pom on hunter dash is slightly better

[limpid ocean]

also since im running hera with tripply flare, can that portion of the damage also crit off of deadly strike? or do i need pressure ponits instead?

[brisk trail]

Deadly Strike's crit chance will only apply to the base weapon's attack/dash-strike

So no, it won't boost Hera's casts/flares

Still pretty good to have overall, however

[brisk trail]

To continue off of this, Scaling is where Zeus shield has somewhat trouble, and that's mostly because it's comparing to Beowulf/Hera who have cast scaling which goes absolutely nutty, Eris and Hestia which have strong aspect bonuses and hammer combos, and Achilles which has Flurry Jab and the best mobility in the game via the Raging Rush on top of fantastic cast damage. If you want to compete on the speedrun leaderboards, you better have something that can rival those, and Zeus Shield doesn't have such a strong tool

[limpid ocean]

thanks

twin shot / chain shot wont multiply procs of tripp;y flare would they?

[brisk trail]

Nope, they won't

[limpid ocean]

hmm

tough choice

[high island]

What if Zag could hop on the Blitz Disc for mobility, would that help?

[brisk trail]

Sadly, you walk faster then the disc

It wouldn't help at all

As funny as it sounds, it just isn't practical

[high island]

But what if... that disc could go straight up.

[brisk trail]

The only aspect that could actually skip biomes

[high island]

No.

Malphon has Flying Cutter.

[brisk trail]

Oh that is true

[limpid ocean]

ok so i already have hyper sprint

running eris bow with trippy shot, just got out of tartarus

auto reload or rush delivery combo? both white so its 2.75/50%

[brisk trail]

Final note : I do think Zeus Shield is like a top-10 aspect for speedruns, but there's little point in trying to prove that when I can do high heat stuff instead, where it truly shines

[brisk trail]

You mean you already have Hyper Sprint and got Rush Delivery ? Just take Rush Delivery

[latent moon]

who needs enemies to drop casts faster if they're dead lol

and good chance bosses are gonna drop it while they're in their invulnerability bubble

[high island]

If you were asking for Hera specifically, then no, Deadly Strike is better like 9 out of 10 times. Best Hera hammer is Flurry Shot, and that will make any Dash-Strike bonus damage nearly obsolete. Without Flurry Shot, a large portion of your Dash-Strikes will be quick-releases rather than Power Shots just to fire your Casts quickly, so neither Deadly Strike nor Hunter Dash will make a huge difference, but you'd rather take Deadly Strike here so that Dash can remain open for Tidal Dash, and Deadly Strike also opens up Hunter's Mark, which can make your Casts crit potentially.

[brisk trail]

We were talking about poms here

[high island]

For the go-to Hera build Crush Shot, taking Deadly Strike will also open up Heart Rend.

[brisk trail]

I believe

[high island]

Oh.

[brisk trail]

In which case you would want your pom on the cast itself

[high island]

Hey, it's still helpful.

[brisk trail]

Hmm Hmm

[high island]

And in my defense, I have covid.

Yeah, I'd reroll that pom.

[brisk trail]

In any case, I do agree that Deadly Strike is what you want out of Artemis rather then Hunter Dash

The only case I could think of is like Rama in high heat where you could just Shackle for the attack

And take Hunter Dash no problem

And you'd still want Deadly Strike anyways

[high island]

Rama I'd take whichever has higher rarity probably. Deadly Strike if same rarity.

[brisk trail]

Hunter Dash goes 50% -> 75% from common to epic, right ?

That's somewhat meaningful

[high island]

70%.

[brisk trail]

So the nerf was that harsh

[ionic quiver]

yo sup

[high island]

A minute of silence for epic Hunter Dash nerf from 100% to 70%.

[brisk trail]

Yeah

[ionic minnow]

https://prnt.sc/3b5H54TMhXXG

Where boy go

[high island]

In the rafters with Dusa eating emergency snacks.

[broken nacelle]

i played hades for the first time in like 3 months rn and i made it to elysium i think thats pretty good right

[latent moon]

gamer

[pulsar hemlock]

https://prnt.sc/tTCIdJh7PKyE

Barely won 😂

[latent moon]

Ez

[austere harbor]

YO!! That's so sick!! Best 1hp clutch ever

[ionic minnow]

Which? % boon? Has the highest base %?

[brisk trail]

Just got rare-rarity rare crop (2 affected boons) in Tartarus when my only 2 boons were (on eris) Aphro flourish and Zeus attack. Took it, and now by Aspho or Elysium, both will be Heroic rarity

[latent moon]

Aphrodite

[ionic minnow]

Wow, was it always that way?

Since launch?

[limpid ocean]

is ice wine good with hera or does it have a delayed cast time after impact?\

like on beo

[high island]

Since early access.

[high island]

There's a delay.

[ionic minnow]

why make goddess of love pack the hardest punch 🤔 feels like that woulda gone better with Ares, then giving Aphrodite a Doom that puts a kiss above their head that damages them instead of the sword (devs have said its a sword) for doom

[high island]

Love conquers everything.

Read her Codex entry if you haven't yet.

[carmine cloak]

How do people get rd so consistently?

[high island]

Avoid calls and use rerolls.

[ionic minnow]

What is RD

[high island]

Also they're probably not getting it anywhere near as consistently as you're thinking, just... most people will post the runs where things went well, not the other ones where they didn't.

Rush Delivery.

[tired karma]

because love is the strongest emotion

[ionic minnow]

What is Rush Delivery? I know it's a hermes boon but its not coming to mind

[primal merlin]

You are trying to get the pre requisits first right?

[ionic minnow]

Yeah but war is the strongest weapon

[high island]

You need movement speed to get Rush Delivery btw, yeah.

[ionic minnow]

Oh is rush delivery just the one that makes you faster

I thought people wanted Greatest Reflex more

That's way better than a little bit of speed

Greatest Reflex gives you extra dashes which give you extra iFrames

[high island]

No. Bonus damage based on movement speed.

[ionic minnow]

Does dash speed get counted or just base movement speed

[high island]

Dash per se doesn't count. Hyper Sprint counts.

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/C-klbsB1Xgei

HMMMMM I dunno, 30% damage sure sounds like a lot more than 10%

(This is a joke - One of these is S tier and one of them C tier, and the C tier isn't clarity)

It's just funny how on paper Cold Embrace almost looks way better, giving both more cast damage and longer cast time

But that clarity seeking just microwaves everyone

[high island]

People suck at using Cold Embrace tbqh.

[lofty ether]

I got cold embrace as one of my first duo boons and thought it was good, it was pretty bad

[thorny mirage]

oh it’s Nyaanyaa

‘Sup

been a while

[brisk trail]

she was cheating, she had a shield (/s)

xD we all know how OP shields are in this game

[ionic minnow]

when

[thorny mirage]

Ok forget athena

Ares lost to diomedes

[brisk trail]

i dont wanna forget her i like her

Also, Joker??

[thorny mirage]

like

[brisk trail]

As in 170-something to Silksong Joker?

[thorny mirage]

Ye

[brisk trail]

Hi joker!

[thorny mirage]

I been in this server for ages

I just stopped talkin

[brisk trail]

Nice, I only got into hades a few weeks ago, i've been dumpin hours into it xD already got all the hidden weps

[thorny mirage]

Like ares has lost to a regular mortal

[brisk trail]

(Anyway, just cool to see you here lol, we can get back on topic now)

[thorny mirage]

and then cried to his dad

Who then

Called him a failure

[ionic minnow]

Damn, I thought war was cool, but yall are really making him sound like a wimp

[thorny mirage]

he is meant to be a wimp tbf in the original

he’s like

[high island]

War is not cool.

[thorny mirage]

Violent war

Athena embodies the actual smart stuff

[ionic minnow]

But he's one of the 12 olympian gods, I didn't think any of them (except maybe Hades) was meant to be "bad"

[thorny mirage]

since when is Hades bad

[ionic minnow]

They're all necessary for their own domains

[thorny mirage]

he’s the fairest dude

[ionic minnow]

He kinda tortures souls for eternity

[thorny mirage]

and his call is dope

[ionic minnow]

IDK if I'd be his friend

[thorny mirage]

No he doesn’t

what

[ionic minnow]

so whats tartarus then

[thorny mirage]

yeah

[heavy sigil]

hades isnt an olympian

[thorny mirage]

Tartarus is filled with actual horrible people

Most of which

Were yknow

Put there by other gods

dude is just doing his job

[ionic minnow]

https://prnt.sc/1u_J9MKZUofh

[heavy sigil]

hades isnt one

if u count the list they say 13 gods

[ionic minnow]

damnit that's really confusing

[thorny mirage]

main twelve and hades is always left out

Ancient Greeks didn’t like mentioning him

death god and all that

[ionic minnow]

If they didnt like mentioning him, maybe some people would consider him "bad", then

[thorny mirage]

they believed that calling him would alert him and lead you to dying faster

people don’t like death

[ionic minnow]

I mean who likes death

[thorny mirage]

Doesn’t make him bad

He just has the job no one else wants

[ionic minnow]

Seems to do it joyfully enough.

[thorny mirage]

Anyways

[ionic minnow]

In lore, not in the game

In the Game, Hades is a teddy bear

[thorny mirage]

I don’t think there’s a single story about hades liking his job

The few that he does have are of people trying to leave the underworld and persephone

Anyways varatha gaming time

[ionic minnow]

opinions on gods aside, you're going Guan-Yu on Varatha, right?

[thorny mirage]

I would

If my old save didn’t get deleted by my siblings

[ionic minnow]

Epic

Oh

Not epic

[thorny mirage]

So I am starting from scratch

[brisk trail]

Throw the siblings away

You need new ones

[thorny mirage]

And I got charged skewer too

Pike

Cmon

Guan yu would’ve been bonkers

[brisk trail]

I too am a Guan-Yuser

Well, since you know the game well enough, it shouldn't take too many runs to get it now is the bright side

[thorny mirage]

I’m like 5 runs in and have gotten to theseus

[ionic minnow]

If you're on a spear and dont have guan yu simply get exploding throw or whatever

it turns it into guan-yu

[brisk trail]

Oof, yeah, might take a few mirror investments

[sullen holly]

It would have been good that you can still go to the cottage then when you want to return Charon will be waiting on the river to bring you back.

[brisk trail]

Wait really? Ever since I got Credits, I don't get to go to the cottage

Narrator just makes up some junk about how Zag died in a pathetic way after beating up the god of death himself

[sullen holly]

I am saying that it would be good if they added that

[brisk trail]

Ohh I thought you were saying "It be good (It is good) that you can" i see now, yeah I wish there was like a farming minigame at the cottage

Maybe you could plant hell seeds and they grow into titans blood and ambrosia if you water them every time you beat the run, maybe ambrosia takes 4 runs to grow, titan blood 3, idk

Buy seeds from well of charon

Would have been fun

Like fishing, but without RNG

[polar quail]

how likely are thanatos' chances to show up during a run

[high island]

0% if you want him to, 100% if you don't.

[twilit copper]

slides in with classics knowledge. hades isn't considered an olympian because he doesn't live on olympus, he lives in hades. his name is actually Plouton, hades is the realm and the name is frequently used to refer to him because they generally avoided using his actual name. he has a bunch of epithets too, but so do all the gods, frankly you see some sort of weird epithet as frequently if not more than the actual names of almost every god

[twilit copper]

the obvious extension of a fishing minigame IS a farming minigame. i am in favour 😂

[brisk trail]

talking bout the 50/50

ik about perfect catches but it's a 50/50 on leg fish there

[carmine cloak]

Avoid calls?

[celest owl]

Pluton is the roman name. That's unrelated.

[carmine cloak]

Yes, I’m not that silly.

[twilit copper]

no, that's also his name in Greek

or at least a name that gets used for him

[carmine cloak]

Pluto is the Latin

[celest owl]

Nlg, I would like something more for confirmation. Is there a paper around ?

[twilit copper]

yes--and Plouton, meaning "Wealthy", is a Greek name used to refer to Hades

I can refer you to the Greek text of the Orphic Hymn to Melinoe if you'd like

[stoic lagoon]

i think im abt to beat hades for the first time, i have all 3 death defiances and full health im very nervous

[twilit copper]

you can do it!! waves pompoms

[stoic lagoon]

Im conviced its going to happen bc last time i got him down to a quarter health during the laser phase and had only 1 death defiance

[high island]

Yes. Having a Call adds Quick Favor and Second Wind to his boon pool, which reduces your chances of rolling Rush Delivery.

[celest owl]

Go ahead yeah

[carmine cloak]

Which is Hades’s real name is not consistent.

[twilit copper]

yes, of course not

[carmine cloak]

Some say Plouton is a title he gained at some point with Hades being his original name, with his realm being named after him.

[twilit copper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinoë#cite_note-1 the greek is on Wikipedia (cf. line 4), and I confirmed it when i did my translation for reddit after the trailer dropped.

also here's Plato:

"τὸ δὲ Πλούτωνος, τοῦτο μὲν κατὰ τὴν τοῦ πλούτου δόσιν, ὅτι ἐκ τῆς γῆς κάτωθεν ἀνίεται ὁ πλοῦτος, ἐπωνομάσθη· ὁ δὲ Ἅιδης, οἱ πολλοὶ μέν μοι δοκοῦσιν ὑπολαμβάνειν τὸ ἀειδὲς προσειρῆσθαι τῷ ὀνόματι τούτῳ, καὶ φοβούμενοι τὸ ὄνομα Πλούτωνα καλοῦσιν αὐτόν.

As for Pluto, he was so named as the giver of wealth (πλοῦτος), because wealth comes up from below out of the earth. And Hades—I fancy most people think that this is a name of the Invisible (ἀειδής), so they are afraid and call him Pluto." (Cratylus 403a) translation from the Loeb Classical Library

[pulsar hemlock]

Is there a requirement for night spindle? From Charon's shop

[high island]

The idea that one name is more or less real or actual than the other is absurd tbh.

[stoic lagoon]

I DID ITBOMG

IM SHAKING

[high island]

Time for #h1-victory-boasting.

[twilit copper]

just need to have a companion equipped i believe

[pulsar hemlock]

Oh... Yeah, don't have that yet

[twilit copper]

you'll get them! just keep making friends ❤️

[carmine cloak]

Why do death-related gods frequently cross-reign with wealth?

[celest owl]

Its not much that but I wasn't thinking that a latin name would be relevant in greek times

[twilit copper]

death = underworld = underground = metals and gems!

[celest owl]

@twilit copper alright thank you

[twilit copper]

ye that one's on me for saying "actually"--the gods all have multiple legitimate names. Plouton is just quite common in classical sources

[carmine cloak]

Would you happen to know off the top of your head what Zagreus rules over?

I forgot, I think it was life related but there’s a bunch of different life gods.

Demeter and Persephone both are in some way related to life.

[high island]

Game refers to him as God of Blood. A design doc that we saw in a presentation by Greg lists him as God of Blood and Fire.

[latent moon]

Same with melinoë

Iirc they said there's even less about her than zag lmao

[stoic lagoon]

idk if there is a canon thing he rules over but i think it should be blood and rebirth

[carmine cloak]

That joke he pulls on Orpheus about him and Dyonysus being the same person has a basis in mythology, making it a literal mythology gag.

Supposedly Orpheus literally wrote about this.

Looking at the wiki article, Zagreus's place in the pantheon is incredibly confusing.

[floral nova]

zags the god of being a cool dude 😎

[misty gorge]

Question, how does greedy blade and shattered shackle interact? Zag blade

I have like
1200 gold so that would be extra 60 base damage
Is it applied before or after shattered shackle bonus 100%

[rustic vale]

It’s not extra base damage
It’s extra damage after every other calculation

[misty gorge]

Got it

[rustic vale]

I’ve gotten it up to like +134 damage on each hit before double edge during a meme run once but generally it’s not a good hammer because spending your obols is more worth it

[misty gorge]

Still
Getting side hussle early on was a godsend
Selling everything on boonless run

[rustic vale]

Hoarding slash is fine enough for boonless I guess but you’d still want double edge over it imo and you’d still spend boons on well items and hp I think

[limpid ocean]

i think im in love with eris

it's so good

[pine cosmos]

there's only one surviving verse from a poem/epic that mentions her i believe

[brisk trail]

anyone got any tips for phase 2 hades fight?

[limpid ocean]

i swear this is the third run now where i have the requirements for ares+artemis duo boon but no matter how many boons i get from them, i never see it offered. am i doing something wrong?

legacy?

oh no im using pride

[grizzled cedar]

How do I max Nyx's bond? I keep speaking to chaos and her but nothing new is happening

[limpid ocean]

could it be because im using stygian instead of infernal?

UGH FINALLY

it dropped

holy crap this cast is strong af

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit

[twilit copper]

yeah so orpheus was not a real guy (as far as i am aware) but there was a mystery cult based around him and his mythology and they have a HUGE amount of extremely weird lore which often involves underworld deities including super obscure ones. that's where we get both zagreus and melinoe (particularly her; she's attested in only one literary text, and it's the Orphic Hymn to Melinoe which i mentioned earlier; i posted a translation on reddit last week if ur curious). neither is strictly a canonical "deity of X" because both of them belong to a mystery cult, which could be large and influential, but technically didn't reveal their secrets to non-initiates, were usually local, and tended to have lore that was "not canon"--that is, not known and referenced by other literature.

(sorry 2 everyone for popping up to drop Myth Lore™️ and then vanishing back into the mists in this channel nominally for talking about gaming; i am actually very bad at video games i just like this one because my whole life is classics lol)

[twilit copper]

nyx's bond is a pain, she's one of the last ones i got bc it takes forever for her dialogue to trigger--she's just involved in a lot of other stuff. do you have the Eldest Sigil unlocked w/ the contractor?

[grizzled cedar]

No 😦

[twilit copper]

then you just gotta keep talking w her i think, and when you can buy that, uh, buy it

hella darkness tho

(maybe not hella if you're good at video games but i'm slow lol)

[limpid ocean]

how does swift strike work with the bow?

[latent moon]

it's like 3141 darkness or something

[latent moon]

only affects standing strikes

[limpid ocean]

lame

[latent moon]

so pointless because dash strikes will always be faster unless you get like heroic swift strike

i think

but then at that point it's probably ingrained in your head to dash strike anyways

and dash striking feels more natural tbh

[limpid ocean]

i just got explosive shot idk if i just messed my build up

[latent moon]

which bow

[limpid ocean]

crit bow

[latent moon]

explosive is fine

[limpid ocean]

but then again im hitting everything now for like over 1k

[latent moon]

you dont always have to full charge it but full charges are nice

[limpid ocean]

just got perfect shot to combo it with

[grizzled cedar]

how much money do you need until hoarding slash is good?

the boost is 5%

so lets say I have 500

is +25 attack good?

[high island]

Not really, no.

[grizzled cedar]

damn

[latent moon]

the damage modifier for hoarding slash is added last, so say your hit did 50 damage and you crit for 150, hoarding slash would be added on top of that 150 and not part of the 50 before the crit

it's a good hammer in the sense that it doesnt hurt you, while a lot of the other sword hammers actively hurt you lmao

[high island]

@rose trellis I think you probably have among the most experience with Hoarding Slash? How many obols does it take for you to start feeling like it's doing good damage?

[rustic vale]

I think once it’s 2000+ obols thats when it’s actually doing good damage

[high island]

But what if instead of 2000+ obols, it's 2000+ damage.

[rustic vale]

💪 gotta love having 40000 obols

[grizzled cedar]

I have an incredible combo rn

Aphro attack ares special and their duo which make doom happen when weak

It melts bosses

Bout to do hades

This is gonna be my second run

[high island]

Good luck!

[rustic vale]

Curse of Longing… melting bosses?

[icy knoll]

it's pretty much never good unless you're doing a boonless rubn

[grizzled cedar]

Yaa I haven’t beaten bosses faster. What’s your meta?

[rustic vale]

my meta?

[grizzled cedar]

Yes

[rustic vale]

I’m confused about the use of the word meta there

[latent moon]

you dont "own" a meta lol

[grizzled cedar]

You can if you try hard enough

[latent moon]

but there are multiple meta builds that exist

[latent moon]

it's the meta of the game, not a player's meta

[grizzled cedar]

I know, I just meant what they think is better

[rustic vale]

Literally so much other stuff

I don’t even have to get into aspect specific

[vital tapir]

wait why did i take quick reload on poseidon

[latent moon]

lmfao

[rustic vale]

Since I would never go for curse of longing on any aspect

[grizzled cedar]

Dam

[latent moon]

curse of longing is pointless in the sense that you always want to reapply doom asap

[rustic vale]

It’s just a) bad damage, b) takes too long, you’ll most likely reapply doom faster

[latent moon]

so the gimmick of it reducing damage per drop over time is largely pointless

[grizzled cedar]

I see

[rustic vale]

and it’s nigh useless against your average enemy

[grizzled cedar]

Ah

[latent moon]

if you're playing a hit and run build, then i guess it's valid?

but also you could just play hestia lmao

but it wouldn't really shred a boss

hestia can shred a boss tho

CoL wont

[grizzled cedar]

I see

[fallen fjord]

are there any rewards for going past 20 heat on a given weapon? (cause the bounties stop)

[rustic vale]

by the time curse of longing proks the enemy should either be dead or your doom would be reapplied

[latent moon]

skelly statue

at 32 heat

[rustic vale]

Darkness and gemstones

Personal achievement

[woeful finch]

If I recall correctly, curse of longing is good because it reapplies doom instantly and as long as you hit with another doom ability before the reapplication expires, it will use the higher damage number, this means each doom tick is just as strong but there is less downtime in between doom expiring and reapplying. But that downtime might be minimal depending on the build

[latent moon]

what

[rustic vale]

no

[latent moon]

isnt it like, the same length of doom drop time?

oh actually i think i get it

[rustic vale]

They mean that it instantly starts the timer

Once it drops

For your reapplication

But that time save is minimal

and not worth hunting

[latent moon]

so like, say it first drops at 100, you dont reapply, drops for 50, and right before it drops again you apply it back for 100 so you "get more damage"?

[rustic vale]

So you get the damage sooner then if you just hit them later

[woeful finch]

Let’s say you are applying doom every 1.5 seconds, then it will trigger ever 1.5 seconds. But if you have the duo boon then it will trigger every 1.1 seconds, even though you aren’t hitting that often

[rustic vale]

but the time saved and extra damage dealt is minimal

so not worth hunting out

and it’s really only better dps against the beefier enemies tbh

[lofty ether]

If you purge a boon from the pool of purging does it still increase your chances to get a boon from that god?

[rustic vale]

If you purge a boon from a god the god stays in your pool still

I think from the way you phrased that you don’t understand/know of god pools

am I correct?

Like ordinarily you can only have 4 (perhaps 5) non-hermes olympians in your “pool”, once you hit that the game will stop offering new ones naturally

[lofty ether]

I kinda know what they are

[lofty ether]

Yeah I’ve noticed that

So I try to go for gods I like so they stay in my “pool”

[rustic vale]

The god will stay in your “pool” for the rest of your run

[woeful finch]

If you are fighting a lot of enemies, being able to hit a given enemy as infrequently as once every 2.2 sec and still get max doom DPS can be pretty decent. If you are fighting a boss and your doom is on something time consuming like spear special, being able to use the special half as often and still getting the max doom is somewhat decent.

[rustic vale]

Regardless if you sell their boons

[lofty ether]

Ok thanks

[woeful finch]

It’s not a stellar effect but I think it’s usually worth taking just to smooth the gameplay when you are doom build

[rustic vale]

the only “doom builds” that are actually worth anything are ME tbh

And Curse Of Longing doesn’t combo with ME

[vital tapir]

doom works on mostly anything

you don’t need me to clear

[rustic vale]

I’m not saying you need it to clear

I’m saying CoL isn’t worth going out of your way for

It isn’t potent

[rustic vale]

Anything works on anything

[high island]

Just because you're confused doesn't mean it's wrong.

[rustic vale]

Do I have my own meta then

[vital tapir]

not if there’s challenge involved

if that were true you’d have finished your all aspects bad builds 40 by now

[rustic vale]

That’s a skill issue and not a boon issue

[vital tapir]

skill is individual \

[rustic vale]

Not if there is time involved*

[vital tapir]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1054974934620831794/image.png?width=1245&height=700 update

still taking +2 dashes sorry herms

you can do 40 without td

[rustic vale]

It’s specifically time as a challenge that would be an issue for anything on anything

[vital tapir]

i don't think that's true

[high island]

You could say so, yes.

You could say so, yes.

[rustic vale]

I don’t want to say I have my own meta

[vital tapir]

having a good build necessarily makes your run easier

[rustic vale]

That sounds obnoxious

[vital tapir]

the game isn't just how fast can you clear

[rustic vale]

Without a time limit you can just stall out

[vital tapir]

do 58 heat then

[rustic vale]

and eventually beat everything

[vital tapir]

if time is the only issuie

[rustic vale]

I’ve also a crucial issue with how I’ve structured this

[vital tapir]

restructure

i think it's once every 15 attacks maximum

[rustic vale]

Lemme try to figure out what I mean

[vital tapir]

maybe not exactly that number

why are you arguing if you don't even know what you're arguing for

[rustic vale]

Good question

I’m going to stop talking for a bit

Before I say more stupid stuff

[cobalt slate]

how do i deepen my relastionship with megera

[vital tapir]

hey realizing you're wrong is one of the best outcomes for a discussion

[rustic vale]

My brain is fried since I spent all day trying to write a paper

But then again I always manage to say stupid stuff here

[high island]

You could define meta in Hades a bit loosely as build theory. Does that make sense?

[rustic vale]

Yes

Much more sense

[cobalt slate]

whats better death diefiance or stubborn diefiance

[rustic vale]

death defiance unless using Lasting Consequences 4 imo

[ionic minnow]

Is DIO or ZEUS better on rama special? 🤔

[high island]

The answer is take whichever you see first.

[ionic minnow]

But which one do I equip a boon keepsake in tartarus for

So that I can garauntee it first

Should I be taking rose first and putting it on main attack, not prioritizing special?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[ionic minnow]

ok but say I'm stubborn and prioitize my special, is one better than the other or is really just super close like nya and aspect implied

[rustic vale]

It’s close

[limpid ocean]

Ares special on achillies spear, what primary should I go for?

[rustic vale]

Is that all you have?

Hope to see slicing blades and grab artemis for her strike then I guess

[river root]

is it possible to remove/hide resource director badges?

[rustic vale]

No

Why would you want to?

[simple vault]

Storm lightening good?

[rustic vale]

It’s a cope pick imo

[high island]

Just see for yourself which one you like more.

Curse of Pain is also a good option.

[rustic vale]

But I also haven’t used it enough to say for certain

[river root]

i dont like how it looks on the health bar tbh

[high island]

Though for that one, getting only common kinda sucks. But still good enough anyway.

[crimson belfry]

story spolier (?)||so i was doiung some house contractor stuff and i walk in my bedroom and megaera is there but shes upset and says that she was grabbing her belongings and that i was letting the place go to hell. was that supposed to be the romance scene but i missed it?||

then what was it?

[river root]

^

[crimson belfry]

hm okay

i have all her hearts up except for the ambrosia one so i was just wondering

[ionic minnow]

Boys take divine dash, men take tidal dash

[brisk trail]

what do women take?

[crimson belfry]

yea

[ionic minnow]

uhh n/a, women don't exist?

[crimson belfry]

REAL

guess ill just

https://tenor.com/view/nileseyy-niles-peace-out-disappear-meme-disappearing-guy-checking-out-gif-25558985

[brisk trail]

that's it, the myth of women has been disproven, I will also

[ionic minnow]

👨‍🔬

surprised yall didnt call me out for implying ive never seen a woman xD

[brisk trail]

If your god pool doesn't have tidal or divine, what do you take

[high island]

High Heat WRs.

[ionic minnow]

immediately force one of them into the god pool when you reach asphodel

via keepsake

[rustic vale]

Hunter dash (aspect pending)

[crimson belfry]

whos divine again? ik tidal is poseidon but

[ionic minnow]

divine is athena

[high island]

Passion Dash best Dash.

Love conquers everything.

[rustic vale]

I was gonna say passion dash because Nyaanyaa

[crimson belfry]

i think my favorite god pool is ares + aphrodite + dionysus

[ionic minnow]

Weak is nice but the thing is you generally get to apply weak by your attack or special, whichever wants a % boon

[rustic vale]

The true hangover build combo

[ionic minnow]

So having it on your dash seems redundant to me, but maybe I'm just not skilled enough

[crimson belfry]

yes

[rustic vale]

Passion dash is good because heart rend shotgun zagbow

[crimson belfry]

and if possible demeter call

[rustic vale]

Eh… dem call is kind of random there

[crimson belfry]

:)))

[rustic vale]

Zeus call would actually make sense because smair into it and then you have all the flat damage in some way shape or form

[crimson belfry]

idk i just think shes neat

[ionic minnow]

i gotta be honest I almost never take dem call, it's always zeus or artemis or ares or posiedon

aphro call and dio call are gross imo

[crimson belfry]

artemis call is best imo

[rustic vale]

Zeus and dio call are the dps ones
Then the rest in no particular order

[high island]

Heretic.

https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg

[rustic vale]

Dio call is one of the best

[ionic minnow]

Remind me never to say anything remotely bad about aphro with nya around

which is always isn't it, since nya is here 24/7 xD (edited to enhance phrasing to not make it sound like im using an it pronoun for nya)

[crimson belfry]

yea

[rustic vale]

How are aphro and dio call gross in any way, shape or form

Aphro call is an effective defensive call

[ionic minnow]

on one (1) enemy

[rustic vale]

Which means it works well against Hades

[ionic minnow]

athena call is also ⁉️

[ionic minnow]

charm doesnt even do much on hades just interrupts him

doesn't really get him to fight for you or anything

[rustic vale]

The interuption is the defensive part

[high island]

Yeah, invincibility is really bad.

[rustic vale]

I said defensive

[ionic minnow]

The amount of damage you deal during said invincibility is generally less than the damage you could deal with another call, meaning that you actually have to survive longer in a dangerous fight without invincibility if you use athena call

Opportunity cost.

[rustic vale]

Aphro call still better then ares and artemis 100% lol

[sturdy nimbus]

yeah that just means your damage overall is pretty bad

[ionic minnow]

like what

You can dodge every attack in this game

[rustic vale]

So aphrodite call and athena call are both good for high heat

[sturdy nimbus]

or when you are spamming nemesis dash strikes close to em4 dad while he does his spin attack twice

[high island]

I never considered that. You opened my eyes.

[limpid ocean]

my last run was the most OP build I've had yet, it was hilarious

[ionic minnow]

defensive stuff is good for high heat but not as much speedrunning

[rustic vale]

When speedrunning your 3 options are

1. Zeus
2. Dio
3. dad call

[ionic minnow]

irrelevant is what it is

[crimson belfry]

unrelated and sorry to interject but can you just not get exit wounds if youre using aspect of poseidon on stygius? it has not once show up for me

[rustic vale]

Fair I blanked

[rustic vale]

You can get exit wounds with poseidon

[ionic minnow]

why is dad call good, again?

[rustic vale]

It’s a burst of additive damage

So beowulf and hera can use it very effectively

[ionic minnow]

Why do I not read things, I thought it just made you invisible

[sturdy nimbus]

not your fault tbh

[ionic minnow]

So enemies wouldnt go after you

[rustic vale]

You have to actually go over to the call boon

[sturdy nimbus]

dad call is hella good but the game just doesn't explain it very well

[ionic minnow]

Okay okay, good to know, good to know, thanks

I'm learning today 🎓

[high island]

I agree.

[rustic vale]

You don’t really need to have a good pb to know more damage better for speedrunning

[limpid ocean]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/5100921132385761628/739CBD934967587E6F400C7A1C5F81EE9AF9DAF2/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

that's what I just finished with, turned into an actual button mashing build

[high island]

Errr... #h1-victory-boasting is over there.

[limpid ocean]

nothing could stop me

[ionic minnow]

3 duos

[high island]

cold

[limpid ocean]

whoops

[sturdy nimbus]

actually come to think of it, is curse of drowning even good?

I feel like it's pretty awkward to use

[high island]

No, he didn't have that.

[limpid ocean]

honestly I dont think curse of drowning is that great but it synergized with what i was doing

but i had 5 dashes so it worked

early tartarus

[sturdy nimbus]

yea I feel like on every other weapon it just doesn't work since it encourages a "hug your enemy" playstyle

[limpid ocean]

also I took it because fated prophecy for me

[high island]

Curse of Drowning can be decent enough, but it's never great.

[sturdy nimbus]

ah right

[limpid ocean]

first time having it

[ionic minnow]

assuming you aren't going for TD, are lightning rod builds good

[limpid ocean]

TD?

[high island]

What does TD have to do with it. Lighting Rod is a good boon lol.

[ionic minnow]

I know im pivoting hard from speedrunning talk but now im wonderng aabout survivability in the context of casual play

[ionic minnow]

Doesn't Lightning rod lend itself to a lot of kiting

TD is tight deadline

[sturdy nimbus]

it's free 70 damage from 3+ sources so

[ionic minnow]

Okay so that's not something you want most of your damage coming from

[sturdy nimbus]

worst part of lightning rod is when you're aiming for fully loaded

[ionic minnow]

Unless you're doing a hitless challenge maybe

[sturdy nimbus]

[limpid ocean]

sorry i mixed that up in my head. premium vintage was early tartarus, sweet nectar in elysium

turned it down first to get flood shot instead

[rustic vale]

It’s good even with td on

[limpid ocean]

but then turned it in the shop in the next room so bought it then bought the pom to go flood lv3

[high island]

I think you screwed up when you were aiming for Fully Loaded.

[sturdy nimbus]

lmao

[ionic minnow]

I'm assuming lightning rod doesn't show up if you run stygian?

[high island]

Correct.

[sturdy nimbus]

lmao yeah

"hmm can I get clean kill on nemesis pls ty"

"nah have this fully loaded instead"

[high island]

Why are you aiming for Clean Kill?

[sturdy nimbus]

just extra firepower after getting heart rend

[rustic vale]

👍 infernal is one of the prerequisites

[sturdy nimbus]

not that I was building it around clean kill

[high island]

But that's like... it matters even less if you already have Heart Rend.

[rustic vale]

“After heart rend” then it’d be even more negligible

[limpid ocean]

also, curse of drowning - if i had more than 1 cast, can they be cast at the same time?

[sturdy nimbus]

no I mean it's when I get some extra cash on styx right before dad with nothing to spend

[high island]

Styx shop costs more IGT and RTA than it can save.

[sturdy nimbus]

it's not like I'm seriously speedrunning

[rustic vale]

I was about to say “even if you get rd from it?” Then realised that’s redundant because that’s not even a guarantee

[rustic vale]

Smh

[ionic minnow]

what is IGT and RTA

[rustic vale]

Third hermes is still a potential for 0 or very little help

I mean if you hit RD then obviously it’s time saved

[limpid ocean]

really satisfying clearing mini rooms in styx in under 1 full second

[high island]

If it's for Hyper Delivery, should depend on how well your build is going otherwise, and if it hasn't been going well, you probably already reset anyway.

[rustic vale]

Well if you already have HD it could be greater haste or Swind for more damage

[high island]

@dull niche in what situations if any would you go to Styx shop?

Croven: “Styx? I skip Styx.”

Straight from Asphodel to Hades fight.

[rustic vale]

“Styx? Never heard of it”

[latent moon]

If you're doing a more chill Speedrun you can do it to get rd
At crovens level you just skip it probably

You build should be done like halfway through asphodel

Or whenever you get your second hermes

[dull niche]

when i need damage and third Hermes can help that

[latent moon]

So just greater haste?

[dull niche]

or dashes, and sometimes I have runs that never get rd but could get it for 3rd Hermes

[latent moon]

Wouldn't you reset for it on second hermes

[dull niche]

depends on the run

[high island]

But if your damage is good, you don't bother even if you don't have RD?

[latent moon]

Fair

[dull niche]

u can get hella skips and no build

[rustic vale]

if you got extra dashes and hs then 3rd hermes would be good

[dull niche]

if my damage is fine I typically don’t bother

[dull niche]

this is what I did in my recent achilles pb

[latent moon]

Reset on second hermes to bully beo players who just got the wr

[dull niche]

achilles kinda always wants damage and 3rd Hermes rd can help that

[high island]

That was my thinking, too. Thanks for the insights!

Extra dashes are nice for Styx shop because you can get there and back so much faster.

[rustic vale]

zag sword faster then nem because more movement speed = more faster /j

[high island]

No, he just pulls out one of his VHS tapes to reclaim WR.

[rustic vale]

Croven is actually just Zag wearing a mask

[rustic vale]

Facts

[high island]

Remember the one where he paused so often for his game to unstagger? The pauses were actually to change floppy disks.

[rustic vale]

Step 1 to becoming never wrong like Nyaanyaa; start using proper punctuation.

[high island]

That ; should be a : though.

[rustic vale]

That’s why I didn”t

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/sua-bora-kim-bora-sua-dreamcatcher-dreamcatcher-gif-23233761

[rustic vale]

.

[vital tapir]

why the hell does sea storm proc on shield attack LOL

[latent moon]

natural knockback moment lol

[fallen fjord]

what other games do u like Mewmew?

[high island]

Hades 2.

[carmine cloak]

That usually just gets people to hate me.

[high island]

If they hate you for using a period, I think you can do without them in your life.

[carmine cloak]

I’ve literally been told once to ‘stop using a full stop’ and I had to ask what that was because English has some weird not always interchangeable words for a dot.

My language just uses the word for point.

For everything shaped like one.

[vital tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989083298099785730/1055012925426896936/image.png

[carmine cloak]

Is hunter’s mark useless on bosses?

[latent moon]

kinda yeah

great on heroes tho

makes normal room clearing so much faster and easier tho which is great

[carmine cloak]

Regardless it’s not really reliable for privileged status?

[latent moon]

oh not at all

it's also just better to not run priv status

[carmine cloak]

So either don’t run it or run other curses.

[latent moon]

better to not run it

[carmine cloak]

Like regardless of how I play?

[latent moon]

very few builds can reliably get it off

it either forces you to make bad boon choices or use weird combos to proc it

[carmine cloak]

I would assume it’s worth keeping around if you have a specific plan?

[latent moon]

generally yeah

the only builds that actually make use of it is drunk chiron and passion beo

[carmine cloak]

Like, idk, if you main Dionysus it doesn’t seem that unlikely to get it online does it?

[latent moon]

most drunk builds can get priv status online yeah

[high island]

If your build starts with Hangover, Weak, or Chill, Privileged Status can often be great.

[carmine cloak]

And it should work on hangover ticks as well right?

[latent moon]

crush shot hera doesnt use priv status tho

[latent moon]

it should yeah

[high island]

If it's a crit build that starts with Weak, you'd take Family Favorite though.

[carmine cloak]

Dionysus seems like not the best auxiliary god but very good main.

[latent moon]

hangover is pretty solid, esp because of the linear pom scaling

there's no level drop off for hangover

[carmine cloak]

Can’t go lower than a flat +1.

Out of curiosity.

If there is a god I never pick and then take a god trinket on a later floor, can that god get pushed out of the pool?

[latent moon]

no

it just gets added

you can get a 5+ god pool

[carmine cloak]

I was just wondering if it was possible to get rid of an unwanted god entirely.

[latent moon]

well if you get 4 different gods that arent them

then yeah

once you get 4 different gods, new ones stop appearing unless you force it with a keepsake

[high island]

You'll see boons from random gods until you've picked up boons from 4+ gods. After that, you'll only see boons from those gods you already picked up (even if you purged them later) or that you force with god keepsakes.

Lord Hermes and Master Chaos are exceptions.

[carmine cloak]

So I can push out an unwanted god?

Oh, so it’s not so much that you only see 4 gods per run without keepsakes, it’s just that you stop seeing them after you lock in the first 4?

Does the move speed from Zag sword apply to rush delivery? And if I use the keepsake to maybe fish for rush delivery early, can I then take it off?

[high island]

Correct.

[slender fossil]

can i beat hades on extreme measures 4 for the first time? a fishing spot is on the line.

[carmine cloak]

GL

[slender fossil]

apparently i can

[carmine cloak]

GG

[tulip matrix]

The power of fishing

[slender fossil]

it gave me 1 diamond. worth everything.

[tulip matrix]

Gotta love surface fish

[slender fossil]

yep

then i somehow got the laser

and i didnt even know i could

[tulip matrix]

My switch finally shows my hades playtime

I bought the game 10 days ago, i already have 65hours on it

[old dawn]

rookie numbers

pump numbers

[misty gorge]

I think I went ultra instinct

I defeated hades third phase
Zag blade no boons shattered shackle
Hoarding slash and cruel thrust
Hitless

All I needed was to turn off all sounds and turn music to 100

[carmine cloak]

With regards to delayed damage such as doom, and personal damage buffs, when are damage bonuses applied, upon applying the debuff, or upon the damage tick?

[gray apex]

Upon the damage tick

[rustic vale]

Dang.

[carmine cloak]

It seems some of these deals at the broker are deliberately bad.

[rustic vale]

Yes, as it multiplies your bonus move speed so

[rustic vale]

I really like the trade x resource for darkness ones

[carmine cloak]

Some of those seem like good value but others bad.

[rustic vale]

That’s not really something someone else can tell you

[slender fossil]

But I did :)

[carmine cloak]

3 keys for 50 darkness seems like decent value but 50 gemstones for 300 darkness is just awful.

I think that statement was less of a question and more of a statement followed by a question mark.

[rustic vale]

If I could trade 50 of my gemstones for 300 darkness I would take it in a heart beat

But 50 gemstones in return for me giving 300 darkness is just

[slender fossil]

3 keys is 30 gemstones so there seems to be a slight scam

Every time I open the broker and see a new deal I have to do math to see if it is worthwhile

[carmine cloak]

Sorry t was 3 keys for 25 darkness

If you assume 1 darkness == 1 gemstone

That's decent value.

500 darkness for 1 ambrosia is kinda steep doe

Might be worth if you're done with ambrosia.

..And blood.

[slender fossil]

So just a few hours into progression

And also if you are done with blood and ambrosia than what are you doing with darkness

[carmine cloak]

Don't you need a lot of it to max out companions?

[rustic vale]

It’s like 15 per companion

[carmine cloak]

Isn't there this postgame sillyness you need a lot of darkness for?

[rustic vale]

yes

Resource director

my beloved

[slender fossil]

I forgot the resource directors name

[rustic vale]

I still need like 200k/325k needed darkness

[carmine cloak]

I think I'll take the keys, it's a good trade.

I think 10 keys can be exchanged for a diamond sometimes.

Oh no, it was 15 for a blood.

That's even better lol.

[slender fossil]

5 keys for 1 nectar, and like 10 nectar for 1 diamond (I forgot)

[carmine cloak]

No I meant directly

Sometimes you can get 1 blood for 15 keys

I'm going to hang on to a bunch of keys just to capitalize on that.

[rustic vale]

Or just make sure you always have the gemstones to trade up for 15 keys

But also there aren’t really many uses for keys so

[uneven dome]

i started playing hades about two weeks ago. and the only reason i am playing the game is because a friend of mine is also playing it all day and i ask him one time what the game is about.

he said to me that the game was basically "Daddy Issues - the game" and i think about that everytime i play it.

[north osprey]

sup just bought hades im loving it died to meg griffin tho

[stiff grove]

You'll get there. I can consistently leave the first area

[tiny grove]

Would anyone know why my Aspect of Chiron says "Max Shots per Special: 9 > 8"? It makes it look like it's toned down for some reason. The 8 is red as well.

Hmm, looking at the wiki it's supposed to be 8, I wouldn't know why it says 9 > 8 though.

[primal merlin]

It's because the spread in Zag's aspect has 9 arrows. Chiron's only use 8 at max level

So it's just and indication you are using less arrows than th regular aspect

[carmine cloak]

It also is how Chiron scales. Starts with 4 arrows and gains more as you upgrade it.

[tiny grove]

Ah makes sense, thank you.

[misty gorge]

"So that's why they needed two guitar soloists for this song"
Me 10 seconds before death

[north osprey]

my first run was so good

i had the cursed slash

but i died to megaera still

[old dawn]

cursed slash

[limpid ocean]

Is cursed slash good if you build around it correctly?

I only ever used it once when I just first started playing

[old dawn]

what would be a correct build

[analog elbow]

Maybe an on-hit boon build with Vengeful Mood

and play in and out with little face-taking

[sharp crow]

what's the best way to play aspect of beowulf?

at around 15 heat

ah thanks

also why do people not like guan yu i've been doing pretty good till 16 heat

hmm i guess its not optimal at high heat

its pretty fun tho when played as a challenge

[limpid ocean]

Pc players: controller or keyboard + mouse, or hybrid?

[sharp crow]

i use keyb+mouse

i think aim is more accurate with mouse cursor

[limpid ocean]

Agreed

Do you use aim assist?

It's weird because sometimes it's nice other times I hate it

And vice-versa with no aim assist

[sharp crow]

nope

[latent moon]

I use kbm but only turn off aim at cursor for rails

[north osprey]

So just defeated megaera and died two rooms after

Feels bad

How many floors are there in hades tartarus

I died to the bone hydra

[sinful valley]

the bone hydra is in asphodel

[north osprey]

Yeah i died there

The lava filled place

[void vigil]

there are 4 biomes in total

[north osprey]

Ok thanks

Reaching there would be the problem

Not how many just how

How am i gonna reach there

[sinful valley]

keep powering up the mirror of darkness

[north osprey]

I suck at roguelikes

I played enter the gungeon and cant get passed 2nd floor without my friend so hades will give me some trouble

[sinful valley]

havent played much of gungeon

[north osprey]

I dont really like ranged combat in games im more of a melee guy

[sinful valley]

hades is pretty forgiving, you still progress every run with the resources you keep

[north osprey]

Thats why i dont like metroid but like hollow knight so same thing with hades

[sinful valley]

for melee builds I highly recommend trying to get Athena's dash

[north osprey]

Ok what about the weapon

Cause i think the shield is preety op

Ngl

The shield bash

[sinful valley]

I think my first clear was with the shield

[north osprey]

I also suck at bullet hells and ranged combat but im liking hades so far

Its fun

Is chaos the primordial a secret boss?

[sinful valley]

there is a secret boss, its not chaos though

[north osprey]

Yeah true zegreus could never beat chaos only if chaos held back

[brisk trail]

Chaos would simply unmake zagreus

[north osprey]

Literally

Being a primordial which is tiers above gods and demigods

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/JxUGZyRp4rus

I love Ares's way of showing affection

"Hey if there's ever a war um.. look me up.. I'll probably... 👉 👈 help or something"

[ionic minnow]

Does pierced butterfly not work in Styx???

Scammed.

Bamboozled.

Chaos boons count Styx as "Encounters", but nooooooo, pierced butterfly doesn't

[sinful valley]

havent tried, I always use it in Tartarus and thats it

[tired karma]

this one is pretty easy
my first escape was on my 7 attempt

high heat is some hardcore stuff though

granted this is the only roguelike I ever played though

[latent moon]

Everyone's at different skill levels anyways

Just take your time and do whatever you want lol

[ionic minnow]

https://prnt.sc/NGRwryjkS3pv

How much darkness does he give

Enough to be like, worth it for darkness farming?

Go in a run, use it once per room at max ambrosia level of shady, then die at the 6th room?

Wash rinse repeat?

Is that viable?

or does it give you like 5 darkness

[primal merlin]

According to the wiki it gives 10 darkness

[ionic minnow]

50 darkness per 6 rooms... nah, just doing runs where you've already bountied and getting a chaos boon for it will be faster sitll

Shady not viable

[latent moon]

I mean it's free

So why not

Might as well

[primal merlin]

Kinda tedious

[north osprey]

After doing a little bit of research im confused

In the greek myth ||zagreus father is zeus but also hades???||

which one is it

[limpid ocean]

Are there any companions that are obtained by any way other than talking to people / giving nectar and ambrosia?

[north osprey]

Ah ok

Thanks

Zagreus would be the most interesting episode of who is your father

Still weird how zagreus father changed so drastically from hades to zeus

In the mythos

Which one does the game follow is zagreus ||hades son on hades the game or is he adopted??||

||And is actually zeus son||

[primal merlin]

Looks at his right eye and feet. Now look at Hades' eyes and feet

[north osprey]

True

[high island]

Hades is the son of Zagreus.

[primal merlin]

I think there were some sects that believed Hades and Zeus were two sides of the same entity

[north osprey]

You mixed up the two

[high island]

No.

[north osprey]

Hades is zagreus son

Wut

[high island]

Yeah.

[primal merlin]

You wrote that Hades is the son.

[high island]

I did, yes.

[primal merlin]

[high island]

It makes sense if you think about it.

[tired karma]

why

[high island]

Practice, practice, practice.

[tired karma]

😎

it was my first time fighting hades too

I got lucky with some boons though, like divine protection

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1055195085307920546/hades4.png

49 mins, lol
forgot runs took that long

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/pBBMq_fyuanq

Sad that only 8.5% of players ever reunite Achilles and Patroclus

[tired karma]

how much is it for reuniting orpheus and eurydice

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/gZ3ldSNEOK1p

14.2, this is heteronormativity

People be reuniting the straight characters but not the gay characters smh