I just forgot to take other things into account
#h1-discussion
lean timber
weapons maxed?
rustic vale
Keepsakes
livid pulsar
lol not even close
I don't even have a single aspect maxed, but i have enough titan blood for maybe 1 or 2
faint prairie
ive maxed one so far
im planning on maxing the crit boosting sword next
and then the achilles spear
and then the weird gravity pull gauntlets
anything but the ranged options tbh
rustic vale
anything but the ranged options tbh
Why?
faint prairie
i dont like them
rustic vale
and then the weird gravity pull gauntlets
Would recommend aspect of demeter instead
faint prairie
they dont fit my playstyle
rustic vale
Smh
Just have every playstyle
Plus you can use zag rail as a melee weapon if you hit spreadfire
latent moon
triple shot bow is basically melee tbh
rustic vale
the ranged weapons are some of the better weapons in the game lol
Hmm:
hera
Eris
Beowulf
Checks out
latent moon
well like, rail has 4 very good aspects, bow has 3.5
and i guess technically shield is ranged because of cshot lmao
and blitz disk is range
rustic vale
and i guess technically shield is ranged because of cshot lmao
Explosive launcher/guan-yu as well
livid pulsar
all weapons are melee if you're not a coward 
latent moon
true
livid pulsar
all ranged weapons are non ironically really good at melee range
rustic vale
Yup
livid pulsar
except maybe Chiron
rustic vale
With the right hammers*
rustic vale
except maybe Chiron
?
livid pulsar
Chiron makes your special weaker but able to hit with perfect precision at range
you already have perfect precision at melee range
so it's just weaker with no advantage
rustic vale
Chiron works exactly like zag bow without the crit chance if you wanna melee. You’ll even have better odds of getting the good hammers
rustic vale
Chiron makes your special weaker but able to hit with perfect precision at range
Melee bow isn’t special only 
livid pulsar
if you gonna do bow point blank it's better to go with another bow that has the chonkier special
"we have adamantine rail at home"
rustic vale
"we have adamantine rail at home"
Adamant
livid pulsar
neither of those are real words anyways
rustic vale
if you gonna do bow point blank it's better to go with another bow that has the ...
Melee bow doesn’t have to be special focused
livid pulsar
no it doesn't
latent moon
Chiron makes your special weaker but able to hit with perfect precision at range
as long as you dont get piercing volley, your homing specials will be fine
livid pulsar
but it's better if one of your abilities isn't 30% weaker
rustic vale
30% weaker?
rustic vale
The difference between 9->8 isn’t 30%
latent moon
neither of those are real words anyways
adamant is a real word lmao
actually all words are made up but whatever
rustic vale
My point is
Melee bow can be special focused or attack focused
You can do either
livid pulsar
but then you can't do the most fun thing in this game that is athena special on non chiron bow
best deflect ever
rustic vale
but then you can't do the most fun thing in this game that is athena special on ...
Most fun thing in game is not athena special on a regular bow
latent moon
but then you can't do the most fun thing in this game that is athena special on ...
why would you need to do that
livid pulsar
specially if you get the hammer that gives more arrows on the bow
rustic vale
most fun thing in game is decimating enemies with something that actually… works
livid pulsar
why would you need to do that
its funny
rustic vale
I mean I’ve unironically used athena special on zag bow
But that was specifically melee zag bow because artemis strike athena special aphro dash
livid pulsar
athena bow special is also good with merciful end and ares revenge
livid pulsar
you can trigger all at once
latent moon
i feel like by the time you special actually hits the doom would proc anyways assuming no impending doom
livid pulsar
why use merciful end with no impending doom?
rustic vale
I mean I’ve unironically used athena special on zag bow
But that was specificall...
Crit fishing with deadly reversal and heart remd
livid pulsar
it already triggers fast without it
rustic vale
why use merciful end with no impending doom?
Because you never found it
latent moon
why use merciful end with no impending doom?
why use ME on bow
livid pulsar
why use ME on bow
its op with hera, athena cast and ares attack
rustic vale
Plus… the beauty of ME is melee weapons dashing through enemies
livid pulsar
you load the cast and the doom triggers instantly
latent moon
to be fair
that's not technically a bad idea
the main issue is like
your poms are gonna be going to different places, your cast and doom
livid pulsar
i am i love doing dumb stuff in games
latent moon
also it's still the classic issue of getting a billion things for ME to be good
instead of ddash you need phalanx shot
latent moon
your poms are gonna be going to different places, your cast and doom
forgot impending doom here as well actually
because ME is literally busted so they nerfed it so the reqs are super small
brisk trail
you load the cast and the doom triggers instantly
wait i never thought of this i shld try this
livid pulsar
i spent this week doing runs with no logic to level keepsakes, just whatever keepsake i want to level and whatever is the dark thirst weapon
latent moon
you dont need dire misfortune
livid pulsar
i found lots of funny/dumb builds
latent moon
livid pulsar
i did the bow ME bow thing to level athena keepsake and bow was dark thirst
latent moon
i just explained why lmao
livid pulsar
no but i did aphro legendary machine gun rama
brisk trail
i just explained why lmao
ok but what if i mod to get what i want and make it work hmm
livid pulsar
gods legacy op
latent moon
ok but what if i mod to get what i want and make it work hmm
then it'd still be mediocre
livid pulsar
just don't have any other gods 🤓
rustic vale
gods legacy op
latent moon
if we're modding boons in to get you what you want
rustic vale
just don't have any other gods 🤓
Just don’t have other cores that will interfer
brisk trail
stop hating on hera ME
livid pulsar
slicing shot hera is stupid and bad but really funny
livid pulsar
it absolutely needs the artemis duo to work but when you get it it's hilarious
latent moon
i said with a good player
rustic vale
Don’t worry demeter cast is just as bad
latent moon
lmfao
livid pulsar
use it with the aphro duo and you have a insanely op weapon against shields and theseus that sucks at literally everything else
rustic vale
Bananas has ptsd from frost flare
latent moon
rustic vale
No cast core beo >>> icy flare beo
latent moon
Bananas has ptsd from frost flare
damn that reminded me that i wanted to do 40 on all flares
i dont remember what i have left
ik i threw phalanx flare
livid pulsar
how does the ares poseidon duo interact with hera bow? i tried to get it 3 times but it never rolled
livid pulsar
but it still pulses around you or it pulses where the shot lands?
latent moon
you
latent moon
curse of drowning sucks lol
latent moon
it should still load in the bow and become a rocket launcher
well it wouldn't be a rocket launcher if it pulses around where it lands
ideally with hera you want to 1 shot enemies to get your casts back
and CoD would just suck for that
livid pulsar
cod just sucks in general
livid pulsar
wouldn't it be bad since it throws things away from you and you want them close on fists?
livid pulsar
outside of fist range
latent moon
iirc it doesnt?
livid pulsar
idk
rustic vale
I don’t think cod is good on anything
livid pulsar
just guessing
latent moon
the description doesnt say anything about knockback but it is a pos boon
rustic vale
pos cast isn’t bad on talos it’s just cod isn’t good in general
rustic vale
it's good on fists
You wouldn’t take it on anything other than talos unless it was exclusively for the obols from selling it
livid pulsar
if it doesn't knock back it might not be garbage on Arthur
rustic vale
Why would you have CoD on arthur
latent moon
You wouldn’t take it on anything other than talos unless it was exclusively for ...
well like, any fists because the gameplay is the same on them all
livid pulsar
for THE THUNDERDOME
rustic vale
well like, any fists because the gameplay is the same on them all
It’s just an extra duo that gets in your way of seeing others on fists that aren’t talos
Anyways I’m blizzard shot pilled for talos I won’t accept CoD
latent moon
It’s just an extra duo that gets in your way of seeing others on fists that aren...
i mean eh
clogging duos is fair
livid pulsar
i go crush shot
latent moon
but the boon itself isn't bad
livid pulsar
pull them in and bit the ol pink shotgun
i call that build the fat guy from overwatch
rustic vale
Crush shot isn’t bad yeah
It’s good on hera because hera fixes it’s range problem but it’d probably be chunky on every other castpect thanks to the additive
livid pulsar
if you get the hermes auto cast it slaps on poseidon
latent moon
achilles
livid pulsar
but Poseidon sword
latent moon
yeah just one shot them
you're using crush shot, which does the most damage cast in the game
rustic vale
The only people it should work on should be bosses
rustic vale
The only people it should work on should be bosses
Otherwise your cast isn’t doing enough damage
livid pulsar
and beeg enemies like the giant gorgon head
latent moon
minibosses and bosses it'll do something
but that's very few encounters
and like
it's still mid lmao
the damage isn't terrible, but like you'd much rather one shot them
rustic vale
I wish I picked up demeter more often
I really want to get a high rarity killing freeze and watch it pop off
livid pulsar
eurydice moment
rustic vale
It scales stupid well with rarity
rustic vale
eurydice moment
Or rare crop
A boon which is in demeter’s arsenal anyways
livid pulsar
my last few runs i had some really good eurydice luck, i went for the ambrosia every time and got a good boon to upgrade almost every time
a thing i want to do with demeter now that i know it's possible is get poseidon artemis duo, purge the cast and get a new one
i got it with crush shot and it still hits twice
there is no visual effect for it but you get the damage numbers
i wanna see if i can get two crystals
and go lucifer
for max lasers
latent moon
there is a visual effect, it's just hard to see
latent moon
a thing i want to do with demeter now that i know it's possible is get poseidon ...
also why not just start with a cast you want
rustic vale
my last few runs i had some really good eurydice luck, i went for the ambrosia e...
you can force which ones she upgrades btw
You don’t have to have poseidon or artemis cast to find mirage shot
livid pulsar
also why not just start with a cast you want
don't you need pos or art cast for it to roll?
rustic vale
don't you need pos or art cast for it to roll?
You should start learning duo prerequisites
latent moon
speaking of arty cast, mirage shot is most visible with arty cast
livid pulsar
well, that makes it easier
livid pulsar
You should start learning duo prerequisites
i just assumed the game would give it to me when it feels like it
rustic vale
my last few runs i had some really good eurydice luck, i went for the ambrosia e...
You can rng manipulate her to force her to upgrade the right ones
rustic vale
i just assumed the game would give it to me when it feels like it
Look in the codex to see them
livid pulsar
You can rng manipulate her to force her to upgrade the right ones
that sounds fun but i dont know if im smart enough to do it
rustic vale
that sounds fun but i dont know if im smart enough to do it
It takes like 6 braincells as long as you can count
livid pulsar
doesn't rng manip require you to like, count how many times you hit pillars in the whole run
rustic vale
doesn't rng manip require you to like, count how many times you hit pillars in t...
No
livid pulsar
cos each time it changes the seed
rustic vale
not here
latent moon
well if you want to do it for just 1 room, you only have to count the immediate ones you're doing atm
rustic vale
Basically you grab eurydice’s rarity increaser, don’t like the results? Quit the game, go back in, cast once, rinse repeat casting 1 more time each time till you get wanted results
latent moon
hitting summon works too iirc
livid pulsar
ah that's just save scumming with extra steps
latent moon
yes
rustic vale
ah that's just save scumming with extra steps
Exactly
It also works for getting the perfect anvil from styx shop
livid pulsar
i though it was like, real rng manip to get a specific thing with like spreadsheets and stuff
latent moon
well
routing a run uses rng manip for the whole entire run
since we're just doing it for eury, it's still an rng manip
it's just that we're not doing it the whole run
and it's not a legal run because you're quitting lol
rustic vale
Legal for speedruns
livid pulsar
does it also work for boon reroll?
rustic vale
does it also work for boon reroll? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
No because you can’t quit out once that happens I believe?
Iirc
latent moon
Legal for speedruns
you can't quit in a speedrun
livid pulsar
oh yeah you have to clean the room and collect the reward
latent moon
you can't quit when you're in a reward menu yeah
rustic vale
you can't quit in a speedrun
I was clairifiying what you meant by legal
latent moon
ah yeah
livid pulsar
id assume theres a category that you can
rustic vale
It’s not like the cops are showing up because you rng manipulated in Hades
rustic vale
id assume theres a category that you can
Nope
livid pulsar
speedrunners love making new categories
latent moon
id assume theres a category that you can
no speedrun category lets you quit
routed runs are classified under seeded as well
rustic vale
You can seed your runs
rustic vale
You can seed your runs
But you cannot quit out mid run
latent moon
a seeded run is basically "i didn't record a previous death" lmao
that or routed anyways
rustic vale
a seeded run is basically "i didn't record a previous death" lmao
Ngl I think I could get some wr’s based purely off of some categories that nobody wants to play
latent moon
seeded 40 or 50 heat is free iirc
rustic vale
Like seeded 32 heat chaos shield
But alas I’m not going to record my switch gameplay
Or 32 heat zag sword seeded
32 heat pos sword seeded
So many 32 heat seeded wr’s ripe for me to not take
thorn yoke
rustic vale
Do you have static discharge(jolted)?
pine bay
not that I'm being controversial here but I think hades should collab with deadcells for Deadcell's "Everyone is here" content you know.
dat would be awesome
just sharin, aight I'm out
rustic vale
Zagreus popping a default dance in dead cells 💪
twilit lodge
cos each time it changes the seed
Ackshually 🤓 nothing changes the seed except dying or finishing the run
What changes is the rng offset and it’s reset each room
So you wouldn’t have to count how many pillars you break the whole run, but you would have to do similar things in each room to get the right rng offset for what you’re trying to achieve
It’s usually just a handful of summon presses from what I’ve seen, but in some rooms with lots of things that can affect the rng offset you have to remove those things before you claim the room reward
Like the shades in tart friend room, voice lines in ely boss room
royal fern
does the aspect of rama special do lightning damage for each arrow or just the burst if you have the zeus special?
lean timber
L
vital tapir
most of the damage is from jolted anyway
short glen
So many 32 heat seeded wr’s ripe for me to not take
Me too!
toxic lance
how can i unlock zeus' last heart?
twilit lodge
Talk to him a lot
mint torrent
<@&520436902483197982> I'm using light mode currently
vital tapir
does that ping actually work LOL
hardy spear
check out this monstrosity i found on the hades subreddit
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/912760428982050836/1046921828133781534/Screenshot_20221128_225136.jpg
it gets worse the longer you look at it
twilit lodge
It’s blank
hollow sun
ye
hardy spear
wat
faint prairie
its not loading
@hardy spear
you need to copy the image not the image link
or do an imgur link ig
latent moon
no you need to copy image link to send here
hardy spear
huh i can see it fine
latent moon
wack
hardy spear
ive done this before
latent moon
is it loading for you?
nope
faint prairie
try make an imgur link for it
hardy spear
mortifying
hollow sun
the commitment from this man deserves honor like no other
hardy spear
i hope they went to go do something else and forgot to pause
latent moon
dem and athena, where are they other gods
hardy spear
lc1
latent moon
the commitment from this man deserves honor like no other
iirc there was a 40 heat lucifer run that took over 70 minutes on the subreddit
hardy spear
hl1
hardy spear
td0 players are unhinged
latent moon
rip it do be like that
hardy spear
bullrush spam gets a little old
hardy spear
probably going to do 40 heat and then never touch it again
latent moon
bullrush spam gets a little old
what about cshot lmao
hardy spear
same thing
hardy spear
brilliant
and then ill do cast only with whatever that dem boon is called
where you load it and it chills an area around you
pliant elbow
So am I crazy? Or is something up with rip current
it says it only depends on poseidon's aid
and I've done like, a bunch of poseidon's aid grind runs just to get it
used the conch and all my rerolls on it and everything
I feel like I"m just super super unlucky probably
god's pride? yah
hahaha
yeah I feel like, it's probably just rnjesus
still tho it's really something, counting rerolls I probably saw five or six poseidon boon choices after getting the call on the last one
That's good information! I often do not fill them
that'll help
it's the last thing I have left!!
I woulda thought it would have been some ares thing
since I don't like his boons very much and he has all those really specific duos
but nope! finished off the legendaries and duos prophecies, all the other olympians
and here we are. stupid rip current
last boon
oh i didn't find it yet haha
last thing I need
this run tho, I hope!
gonna fill my cores quick
i think it opens everything that builds off knockback yeah
hollow sun
so true
livid pulsar
and i got out of elysium with 7 hp and no DDs cos i forgot i had EM3 on D:
twilit lodge
Rip
wraith falcon
whats the diff between level and rarity?
twilit lodge
One is level and one is rarity
Level is increased by poms
Rarity is (for the most part) set in stone after you receive the boon
twilit lodge
wraith falcon
oh so how does each affect a boon
twilit lodge
It Depends™️
wraith falcon
ahh
twilit lodge
Levels have diminishing returns
twilit lodge
Not for her cores
Rarity affects how much critical chance you get from Pressure Poonts
As does levels
Poonts
twilit lodge
I mean
Higher rarity is always better
But trades are only a good idea if you absolutely know what you’re doing
Never worth doing “just cuz color” yes
wraith falcon
purple pos dash vs red demeter dash
twilit lodge
VREJ
you traded the best dash in the game at the second best rarity
For a decent dash that gains little from rarity
Bad trade
wraith falcon
i feel like athena on anything other than dash/cast is just asking for it
twilit lodge
It’s good for a certain duo and also for new players to learn by surviving longer
Not for dash tho
wraith falcon
is pos really the best dash in the game?
thats crazy i always thought it was athena
wraith falcon
Pos dash is best damage
truuuu
twilit lodge
Which means rarity and level on Athena dash are irrelevant mostly
But on pos they’re both v good to increase
twilit lodge
Crackee
I believe that
How much dmg was lv50 heroic anyway
That’s like
Lv4 pos dash lmao
wraith falcon
came someone pls tell me how to get all the aspects 
void vigil
came someone pls tell me how to get all the aspects <:squirtnya:4721240546444574...
It’s in #h1-story-discussion pins! 
latent moon
whats the diff between level and rarity?
they explained most of the stuff here, but i want to mention something
certain boons like rarity a lot, like every chaos/hermes boon, doom, and aphrodite atk/special. some don't really care, like most of the casts and some dashes.
some boons have good pom scaling, like aphrodite boons and a lot of the cast boons.
some have terrible pom scaling, like icy flare lmao
but most of the time, the difference in 1 rarity is generally like 1 pom
except for like, doom
and other stuff that rely on rarity
wraith falcon
It’s in <#521035166471159828> pins! <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
i maxed out chiron before getting the spear one does that count?
oh wait nvm
wraith falcon
and other stuff that rely on rarity
cool thanks for the tips!
latent moon
np
obv high rarity = good, and obv high level = good, but you have to be mindful of how good each rarity/level really is
poms have diminishing returns after like the 2nd pom, and it really falls off after about level 5
but it's like largely pointless to have like common deadly strike level 5 because it has pretty mediocre pom scaling
you'd only do that if all the pom choices were bad lol
twilit lodge
It’s not great
Get charged skewer and a strong special boon and that can work
Otherwise you can try ME
Trying to make the spin work is difficult
rustic vale
It’s not great
🤨
lean timber
second best = 👍
spear = 👎
hushed hatch
who has the best dash enhancement for aspect of poseidon ?
latent moon
ngl any besides tdash, literally because you might knock them out before the special goes through
oh and not thunder dash because i think there's a bug with that
tacit locust
hello , i just downloaded hades today and i already fell in love to this game ^^
i just want to ask .. is there's a link for hades guide/wiki/tips ? so i can learn more about the game , thank you
latent moon
there's a build guide somewhere
tacit locust
im really okay with spoiler .. dont care about it , spoiler give me a good advice to avoid the mistake people made at early day
latent moon
im really okay with spoiler .. dont care about it , spoiler give me a good advic...
well it's more like, story spoilers
which dont help your gameplay
tacit locust
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
thank you , bookmarked it
tacit locust
well it's more like, story spoilers
ah yeah maybe i mean about build and mechanics
latent moon
the wiki doesn't have build guides, but that link should be helpful
i haven't really used it but others have found success with it
tacit locust
yeah i just saw that build link , little bit confused
rustic vale
hello , i just downloaded hades today and i already fell in love to this game ^^...
There is a wiki
tacit locust
There is a wiki
yes , i only bookmarked wiki site and that build link
still didn't find any helpful link
latent moon
tbh i'd say experience the game for yourself more before looking into builds
after like, idk 15 or so decent runs i'd start looking into builds
rustic vale
The build guide should be a helpful link
tacit locust
yeah i will , also i have no wonder why this game won so many awards ... now i feel it after play it by myself
rustic vale
Aside from that perhaps I should send the “how to speedrun Hades” video
latent moon
lmfao
tacit locust
~~Aside from that perhaps I should send the “how to speedrun Hades” video~~
haha i saw it , that guy beat the game only with around 5 minutes IGT
but thank you guys for your answer and respond , i appreciated it
rustic vale
I should try to get back into Hades once all my work is done
Would go for 40 heat or sub 10 with more weapons
Or sub 9
Will rather than should
latent moon
Sub9 hestia for aotw lol
raw herald
Get a sub 5 lol
gray apex
yea
latent moon
every other boon is common tho lmao
rustic vale
Rarity > duo/legendary
livid pulsar
if daedalus decides to cooperate daedalus give me spread shot i wont need any other boons
i haven't completed a game with gods legacy yet cos it sucks and need to do it for the prophecy
latent moon
fair
devout swift
how do i get the beowulf shield
i’ve read that u need the chaos boon to have a specific dialogue but do i need to equip the shield of chaos or have Chaos hearts up to a certain level?
ye
ah ok
livid pulsar
i’ve read that u need the chaos boon to have a specific dialogue but do i need t...
the second one, you need to invest a certain amount of titan blood in the shield
i think it's 4
you don't need the aspect of chaos for the conversation btw, it can be any shield, they'll mention it and the next time you talk it has a chance of being the awakening phrase
the phrase convo doesn't need the shield, once chaos mentioned it it can trigger at any conversation with or without the shield equipped
devout swift
ah cool thanks
rustic vale
i think it's 4
5
For each non-spear hidden aspect you need 5 titans blood in said weapon
And then for non-sword/non-spear ones you need to get a certain phrase from someone in a run while having the weapon equipped first, then can get awakening phrase using any weapon
livid pulsar
yeah, its asterius for fist, nyx for sword, artemis for bow and zeus for gun
rustic vale
And nyx isn’t mid run iirc
livid pulsar
and zeus lets you get SATAN'S LASER GUN
rustic vale
And nyx isn’t mid run iirc
Which is why I specified
rustic vale
yeah, its asterius for fist, nyx for sword, artemis for bow and zeus for gun
You missed chaos for shield
rustic vale
I didn’t mention sword or spear because both a special cases
Both aren’t mid run
Actually I did mention just to specify not
umbral summit
Nice, all aspects maxed out
vital tapir
fallow tusk
does anyone know how the heck to use guan yu
rustic vale
Yes
Focus on the special
Grab charged skewer if you see it
put aphrodite or artemis on the special
vital tapir
it got revenge by taking clockets from me
serene shadow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1047316186846732348/...
I haven't tried unshakeable mantle yet tbh
Anyone know if its actually viable or more of a dud duo boon
rustic vale
Anyone know if its actually viable or more of a dud duo boon
Dud
It’s best use is as 400 obols
serene shadow
Gotcha
Also quick question
do you get bonus darkness
If you do higher heat that you've already done
or is it all the same anyways?
serene shadow
Aight thanks
rustic vale
do you get bonus darkness
Unfortunately no 
serene shadow
Anyone get unreasonably lucky on one run that you steamroll everything
With heroics and everything
Uncle build
then it turns out that was your 10th run.
lean timber
skill issue
serene shadow
and hades just lets you past
lean timber
every 10th run is absurdly broken and you don't get to use it on hades
law of the land
serene shadow
I feel cheated
twilit lodge
Or it’s 32 heat and you barely survive til the sack
But you got your skelly statue 8)
faint prairie
when you take as many ares and athena boons as possible but you still dont get the duo boon
also i hate the stupid centaur area
its so annoying
also its really annoying not being able to convene the true depths of my hate for that area
twilit lodge
Centaur… area?
faint prairie
not centaur
sorry
im tired
the stupid goat people
idk why i said centaur
i forgot what theyre called
faint prairie
decided to max all the heat but the one that removes the mirror buffs and the one that only lets you take one boon to see how id fare
i got to the furies
about halfway through the health bar
faint prairie
i was doing it for fun
kinda depressing i cant even use a slightly more vugar version of poop
latent moon
everything except mirror is what, 55 heat?
not bad considering you're a newer player iirc lol
rustic vale
Heat can be fun and rewarding up to 40
Up to 66*
faint prairie
ive had the game for about a week
my mirrors nearly maxed and i was using a maxed aspect of zeus
rustic vale
you’ve only have the game for a week don’t have so high expectations for how soon you should be able to clear uber high heats
latent moon
i expect a 63 heat clear by tomorrow
faint prairie
i was mostly just stating that i wasnt going in with like a newly unlocked aspect and a half leveled mirror
latent moon
i mean i figured that much
it's just that after a week of playing, even if you had a maxed save file, i doubt you'd been able to get that far
unless you grinded 1 weapon that whole week
rustic vale
i was mostly just stating that i wasnt going in with like a newly unlocked aspec...
Doesn’t change my expectations for how it would go with only a week’s worth experience
faint prairie
how far would you guess i would go if i didnt tell you how far i got?
latent moon
pull a bigp and start speedrunning with a max save and not experiencing any of the story
rustic vale
how far would you guess i would go if i didnt tell you how far i got?
Not past furies
latent moon
yeah i'd say furies would be death
faint prairie
~~pull a bigp and start speedrunning with a max save and not experiencing any of...
im here for the story tbh
it was mostly the timer that got me
rustic vale
weeks worth experience: furies death at the farthest for a 55 heat run
faint prairie
i went into the furies with next to no health and died pretty quickly
latent moon
makes sense lol
rustic vale
This is why sd exists
latent moon
hl5 lc4 do be like that
faint prairie
i expect with a longer timer or no timer i would have probably been able to get past them
latent moon
This is why sd exists
ngl you have to go into furies with over 30% hp if you're running a weapon you're not too familiar with
faint prairie
ive used aspect of zeus the most
latent moon
i expect with a longer timer or no timer i would have probably been able to get ...
legit, with no timer you can play hella hella slow and you'll get the clear
rustic vale
i expect with a longer timer or no timer i would have probably been able to get ...
Well yeah with no timer you can just stall out anything it’s just your mistakes are punished way harder at 55 heat and it’s so much easier to make mistakes when there are so many more tankier enemies
latent moon
there are runs that last over an hour at high heat because of no timer
rustic vale
You should probably pick up skill by completing bounties
latent moon
ive used aspect of zeus the most
a week of grinding zeus without knowing game mechanics would probably be barely enough to get you a 20 heat clear lol
rustic vale
possibly
faint prairie
i mean im not going to say definitively whether i know the mechanics or not, i feel like a know a decent amount for someone thats had the game for just a week
latent moon
i have a very agro playstyle
you could speedrun
rustic vale
~~you could speedrun~~
*should
latent moon
*will
faint prairie
i know theres more to learn
faint prairie
i dont have the patience for seeded speed runs
latent moon
literally hestia
rustic vale
You don’t need to seed your speedruns?
faint prairie
maybe
latent moon
go into a run, go fast, use speedrun strats
faint prairie
idk, i got the game for the story, not the mechanics
rustic vale
You aren’t competing with people who do seed when you speedrun unseeded
faint prairie
the game being this good is just icing on the cake
latent moon
i wonder if there's a game out there that has like horrid gameplay but a really good story
faint prairie
probably
rustic vale
i wonder if there's a game out there that has like horrid gameplay but a really ...
Yeah it’s Hades
latent moon
oh true
rustic vale
Zeus boons have internal cooldowns? Horrible game
rustic vale
Fo8 not existing? Never want to play it again
old dawn
fo7 not even being a thing is a violation of the geneva conventions
rustic vale
I personally don’t have the speedrun world record for every category? Bad game, uber flawed design, don’t buy it, don’t play it, don’t think about it
latent moon
i need to download the heat mod so i can do absurd fo levels
rustic vale
fo7 not even being a thing is a violation of the geneva conventions
true
faint prairie
how long is the story btw?
old dawn
yes
latent moon
yes
faint prairie
figured
latent moon
10 wins is like, the main credits
and then there's more stuff after that
side stories, bonds, etc
pale barn
serene shadow
anyone know if the apollo mod and hestia mod work properly rn? Haven't seen either of em in like 4 runs
raw herald
how long is the story btw?
Depends how much you’re trying to progress the story, if you’re actively trying to, then around 80 hours?
unborn loom
so i dont know what normal people do to remember what boons you need for which others but i made a wholeass rainmeter desktop widget just so i dont have to open the wiki ever again
icy knoll
you just get it after some time
void vigil
you can send links and they will embed
void vigil
from imgur, discord image links etc
unborn loom
icy knoll
@_@; i mean. its not a lot but i am 300 hours in
at that level of play just try some speedrun builds and high heat runs, you'll get it quick
unborn loom
yeah I'm trying for skelly's prices rn and also maxing out all of my keepsakes. i figured out that most high heat builds require you to force some gods to spawn w the keepsakes so-
icy knoll
they do
unborn loom
i'm a very casual player overall though. not one for ever increasing challenge. still, since i'm trying to 100% the game i'm trying to get the 32 heat price :V
icy knoll
anyway the main thing you need to figure out to guess what boons you'll get is when statuses spawn (jolted) and when secondaries spawn (double strike)
and which ones are not statuses or secondaries (lightning reflexes) that can happen at any time
unborn loom
:O yeah, thank you
void vigil
that looks really cool
unborn loom
thank you :D
void vigil
i found the codex index in-game enough to stop looking at the wiki when it came to stuff like that tho since it does the same thing
icy knoll
uhhh lets see https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857986138915864586/10475058...
this is incredibly cool
unborn loom
OH fair yeah, i keep forgetting the codex exists due to mixing up my controller buttons all the time
void vigil
those charts were needed when it didnt exist yet in early access tho
icy knoll
yeah you should probably use the codex
unborn loom
thank you !!
yeesh fair yeah. i'm slowly realizing i'm basically getting through only through sheer luck than through skill & good play habits, so i'm trying to fix that
serene shadow
32 heat huh
unborn loom
uhhh that's skelly's last price, right ?
serene shadow
What are ya planning to enable?
icy knoll
yes, only internal prizes after 32 heat
(pride)
but then again skelly's statues are basically internal prizes they don't do anything
unborn loom
i almost got it, i tried chiron once and arthur once and died both to hades. i think i couldve made it if i didnt have to deal with EM4
pfff faur teag
icy knoll
aside from unlocking a bit of dialogue
serene shadow
In all honesty EM 3 is probably one of the best ones you can do + Time limit 7
icy knoll
i almost got it, i tried chiron once and arthur once and died both to hades. i t...
honestly em4 is hard enough that it should not be enabled til 50 heat at minimum but if you want your 32 heat run to have a climactic finale go for it
unborn loom
which is probably why i'm struggling to crank it to 32
serene shadow
You can pause alot tbh
unborn loom
pff- fair yeah
yeah !!
icy knoll
best advice for playing fast (aside from getting high dps) is pause when you're deciding which doors to take
serene shadow
Yup, or look up your boons while you're in paused areas
icy knoll
tight deadline 3 becomes free heat (until you go higher )
serene shadow
tight deadline 3 becomes free heat (until you go higher <:dusa:52224877140954318...
Tight deadline 3 is a bit rough sometimes if they don't get what rooms are fastest
void vigil
theres a lot of tips in the #h1-high-heat-strategies pins on what to choose, and you can adjust with what works for you when you try it out
icy knoll
also chiron and arthur are two of the slowest weapons so that's probalby not helping
unborn loom
i've been scouring the uhhh builds and all discussion, but figured out i should have the game open so i can associate the little abbreviations w pact conditions (oops)
YEAH i figured that out at least. i also figured out i should stop smashing the jars around so much & stop running after every damn trove i can find
serene shadow
I'd go for Rail Build tbh
nothing like a good cluster bomb set to destroy everything in your psth
icy knoll
if you want something real fun i'd suggest turning lasting consequences up to 4 and enabling stubborn defiance
unborn loom
:O
serene shadow
if you want something real fun i'd suggest turning lasting consequences up to 4 ...
No stop
icy knoll
once you start doing it you can't stop
serene shadow
don't do him like that.
unborn loom
i still remember when i had uhhhh. what was it called.
the one where you absorb your special ?
unborn loom
yeah !! i had that + cluster bombs + triple use + epic fast special + zeus + additional bounces
serene shadow
I like using hestia tbh
unborn loom
i love hestia too tbh
serene shadow
cause I'm insane and refute to use zag ammo aspect
icy knoll
hestia is fun
unborn loom
pfff- fair. i just think that hestia gets you thru tartarus real fast, you just reload and BAM
unborn loom
LMAO yes
serene shadow
Click - dash - Click - dash
unborn loom
OH do you use controller or keyb ?
icy knoll
also have you tried cast builds yet?
serene shadow
Thou I usually end up speccing into a Hestia Cluster bomb build
And not doing that at all
serene shadow
also For cast build, Highly recommend Splash Cast build
unborn loom
oops, i am not good at being polite
unborn loom
i love cast builds tbh every time i get one chaos goes "interesting" and decides to show up and give me more cast i love them so much
serene shadow
with 1 chaos cast
adn another 2 from I think artemis
Just a quick 1.6k damage
Plus knock back
serene shadow
I use whatever I'm feeling tbh
unborn loom
bonking around enemies, love that
icy knoll
also tip: don't take poseidon attack it's always bad
serene shadow
Poseidon attack is decent if you're doing a poseidon only build
unborn loom
tbh like. i noticed that his cast p much gets you thru tartarus single handedly ?
serene shadow
My setup for zag rail is usually Zeus Attack Poseidon Special Tidal dash
and either Artemis or Poseidon Call
I use artemis usually to get 2 more boons or smth like Mirage cast
2 more casts
not boons
icy knoll
tbh like. i noticed that his cast p much gets you thru tartarus single handedly ...
his dash is better at that tbh
unborn loom
:O
icy knoll
now zeus' cast, that will get you through tart
serene shadow
I usually like Zeus atk for Tart
With zag rail ofc
Zeus cast on practically everything else thou
Stygian all the way
raw herald
Zeus call 💪
unborn loom
i like zeus for. well. p much all slots but man i love his dash, once i got bored and had a rlly strong jolt +3 dash so id just kill enemies by dashing arond
icy knoll
yes jolted is op
unborn loom
(that was in elysium)
unborn loom
yes, esp love when demeter walks in like "get dunked on" and goes "actually ? you stay jolted lol"
raw herald
Tbf on my most played aspect, Zeus call isn’t very good
But on my second most played, it’s very good
raw herald
It’s a joke
serene shadow
how daaaare you
raw herald
85% of my runs start it lol
serene shadow
I am an Achilles use
raw herald
Prolly more
icy knoll
if you want a fun easy build try zag/rama bow with heartbreak strike and twin/triple shot
plus hunter dash
serene shadow
if you want a fun easy build try zag/rama bow with heartbreak strike and twin/tr...
I still don't have Rama.
unborn loom
OH i have a q about hunter dash actually, does it also buff up your dash upper on the fists ?
serene shadow
Also have you tried mods yet?
unborn loom
nope !! i wanna tho, whats out here ?
unborn loom
im curious bc ive been considering making a graphic overhaul mod that makes hades vaporwave, i thought itd be funny
serene shadow
adds two Gods
unborn loom
oh ye uhhh hestia and apollo ?
serene shadow
Yeah
There's currently someone
making an overhaul
that makes a crossover between Hades and homestuck
unborn loom
...how did you already corner me as a homestuck
unborn loom
AHJDJGHJYIGHOUJKIJ BRUH
serene shadow
I heavily doubt you're NOT a homestuck person
unborn loom
no youre correct i have a 100k fanfiction where the team fortress 2 men play sburb so youre completely right
...uh
rustic vale
OH i have a q about hunter dash actually, does it also buff up your dash upper o...
… damn never thought about that
serene shadow
… damn never thought about that
go to codex menu and test it.
unborn loom
several in fact.
serene shadow
Very cool.
unborn loom
thank you !!
rustic vale
go to codex menu and test it.
Because I definitely have codex mod on the switch I play on and don’t have on my person right now
serene shadow
....Mod your switch pretty please : D
icy knoll
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359101701149687819/1047521718178152488/im...
this looks like the screen from the epilogue
unborn loom
oh the hades epilogue ? yeah. i tried to take that for my boon thingie too but then saw it was really off center, cut off & so on and id have too much to edit to make it work + had no idea where id put the boon info after that
high island
OH i have a q about hunter dash actually, does it also buff up your dash upper o...
Yes.
unborn loom
ty !!
latent moon
OH i have a q about hunter dash actually, does it also buff up your dash upper o...
iirc if you have a -hp per special chaos curse, a dash upper won't trigger it lol
but yeah hunter dash boosts your dupper
unborn loom
:O nice to know, the curse thing is kind of funny actually
i wouldn't risk it tho the timing to land a d.upper is really tight
also hi i come back with More questions
namely is there a limit to how many duos you can have ?
like i know ive had runs w like. 4 duos or sth
but i wonder if you can go Even Further Beyond
acoustic cosmos
but i wonder if you can go Even Further Beyond
goku time
raw herald
No hard limit, but you probably wont get more than 7 or 8
unborn loom
eyyyy love someone who gets the refs
yeahhh
like i didn't manage to snag as many duos as i wanted on this run (tho its still really powerful) but
i am using spear achilles and have like, artemis on attack, ares on special, dio on cast and call, and aphrodite on dash
and i think its a rare case of setup where theres no boon blocking each other
but In Theory
i could have
-curse of longing (ares-aphrodite)
-low tolerance (aphrodite-dio)
-heart rend (artemis-aphrodite)
-splitting headache (dio-artemis)
-curse of nausea (dio-ares)
and uhhh as a bonus black out
and also turns out i couldve had artemis-ares if i had picked ares on my cast, whoops
but anyways tbh i wanna get a build w all of those just to see the real "how much status effect damage do you want ?" "yes" magic happen
latent moon
A more realistic one would be with Chiron bow imo
Aphro atk, Dio special, arty cast, curse of vengeance from ares
It's a lot more realistic and actually work together lol
unborn loom
oh im the type of guy who gets doom stacks special ares chiron- its probably not good yet i still manage to get it regularly
latent moon
Dire misfortune Chiron is based but if you don't get it it sucks a lot lmao
unborn loom
i have the luck of a cheater so its my average ares-having chiron run tbh
latent moon
If you got that kind of luck start Speedrunning lol
unborn loom
whats a meta build again ? :O
latent moon
Pausing while making decisions, always taking free rooms, checking wells
unborn loom
dang
latent moon
whats a meta build again ? :O
Any build/strat speedrunners use I guess lol
unborn loom
i am bad at that whole polite thing
ohhh ye
latent moon
Generally strong and easy fast builds
unborn loom
i, uh, use satisfying builds ? aka builds that have as many status effects as possible & that enable as many duos as possible
latent moon
a lot of duos dont make a build good lol
unborn loom
yeah which is why i dont call them good
latent moon
and hunting for status effects is eh, esp if they make you do weird combos just to get pstatus going
unborn loom
oh i button mash tbh. i can't overstate how much my luck keeps me going. like, "i got exclusive access at the start of asphodel" kind of lucky
latent moon
bruh lmao
unborn loom
i am originally an isaac runner. i win 20% rolls for angel rooms, in a game which has a rep of "75% chance might as well be 0"
also im sorry if i call chaos boons devil deals, thats why
twilit lodge
stabs you with mom’s knife
unborn loom
rude
first of all, walks into a red chest, finds an angel room with revelation inside
lunar moth
Do you loose an acorn use if you hit yourself with a danger bomb?
raw herald
No
lunar moth
Have you checked?
raw herald
Not recently, but i have a video of me getting hit by hazard bomb and not having acorn charges removed
hardy spear
does favour from chaos increase the chances if getting duos?
rustic vale
does favour from chaos increase the chances if getting duos?
Yes
umbral summit
Just out of curiosity, is it feasible to become permanently invincible using Smoldering Air + high level Heroic Athena's Aid?
Have it recharge to 1 bar before it wears off each time
latent moon
i dont think the call charges while the call is in effect
raw herald
Iirc the gauge doesn’t start recharging until the call is finished
umbral summit
Oh, too bad
umbral summit
I'm liking this run's build, though. Explosive Launcher + Cluster Bomb + Athena's Aid + Smoldering Air
Lets me stay up in their faces to hit with all 5 rockets immediately
latent moon
clockets moment
umbral summit
raw herald
Nice
urban swift
https://imgur.com/gJxIhDQ
That's basically how I beat him on my first escape but with hazard bomb just lobbing shot at him why he couldn't hit me
urban swift
So where is the petition to let hazard bomb work with cluster bomb and rocket bomb? cause ill sign it
someone else told me it didnt
urban swift
it would be so much fun if it was
just walk in with hazard clockets and wreck the entire room(maybe also yourself)
latent moon
hazard clockets triple
urban swift
maybe that like a legendary modification
latent moon
codex mod lets you put stuff like that together
urban swift
like if you have 3/4 of those mods then there is a chance to find a legendary that does all 4
would be cool
stack it with the special +speed from hermes
you have a machine shotgun nuke launcher
so do i need to start a petition
serene shadow
Hermes be starting war crimes.
umbral summit
hazard clockets triple
With Poseidon, Double Knockback, and both wall slam boons
latent moon
Wave pounding
serene shadow
Cause they're Olympians
it's kinda their whole schtick
My case and point, Artemis.
twilit lodge
Haha u trol me
vital tapir
the way common greater evasion just dodged 5/7 eggs in a room trying to kill myself
latent moon
lmfao
vital tapir
it dodged like 3/5 in the next room too
serene shadow
the way common greater evasion just dodged 5/7 eggs in a room trying to kill mys...
In all honesty, I just installed the Kill A Run - Mod