h1-discussion

[latent moon]

eventually you'll get access to a summon and can summon someone against him so it's really only fair lol

[nimble laurel]

oh he summoned it

[latent moon]

yeah

[nimble laurel]

i didnt get hit so it was just confusing to me

[latent moon]

cerby go brrr

[nimble laurel]

yeah

does he have other summons

[latent moon]

no

[nimble laurel]

oh cool

would have been funny if he called nyx on you

[errant spire]

Hi all, ¿exist a way ingame yo change mouse sensitivity?

[feral belfry]

Patty won't give me the phrase, been trying for days RNGeesus why

[twilit lodge]

Patty… phrase?

[latent moon]

I forgot i was messing around with talos heavy knuckle and forgot to change the mod to breaching cross rip

got epic rd and doom too

no ME yet tho

[twilit lodge]

Simply edit your save and change the hammer

[latent moon]

heavy knuckle rd kinda chunking tho

nail of talos kinda breaching cross

[rustic vale]

“Risk it all” I assume

[tall holly]

phrase to do what

[mint coral]

advance the achilles patroclus quest

[tall holly]

oh, haven't got to that yeah lol

[umbral summit]

Slowly getting there. 15 heat for all weapons done

[tall holly]

haven't even been playing much

first time getting onto this discord server in like 5 months

[feral belfry]

his specific dialoage required to reunite with Achilles

[feral belfry]

Just jump straight to 32

[umbral summit]

Oh no, you misunderstand; I started at 32 after beating the game and have been working my way down

[feral belfry]

0 heat is literally impossible

GL

[rocky panther]

who are some good content creators for hades? i only really know haelian

i want to immerse myself into the community of this game its awesome

thank you

[twilit lodge]

Croven is a little gremlin

[dull niche]

jawless paul makes a lot of hades content

[lean timber]

matt lillard? i think is his name

[twilit lodge]

the latt Millard is his YouTube iirc

[mighty hornet]

can i fight the final boss before completing all of the tunnels?

[twilit lodge]

You can fight it as soon as you find the satyr sack

[mighty hornet]

cool, thx

[nimble laurel]

that third phase for hades is stressful

its oppressive and i like that about it the darkened screen the constant teleporting you really have to be at your A game to beat

[arctic oasis]

ahhh I really want that desk mat but my desk is too small

[wraith falcon]

does anyone know why there are arrows on certain boons after you clear a run?

those same boons are listed center screen

like what does it signify

[latent moon]

it's just randomly pinned boons

it prioritizes certain ones, like legendaries and at least 1 hammer, but it's not that important really

you can unpin them if you want and pin different ones

[brisk trail]

Quick question: there’s no real differences between the pc version and the switch version right?

Cause i kinda wanna get it on switch so I can play on da go cause my pc isn’t exactly portable. I know cross saves are a thing but I just wanna know if the switch version is limited at all

Nvm the internet says it’s only got bad FPS and resolution Im assuming everything else is the same so I’ll probably get it

[raw herald]

The game lags slightly more on switch but imo it’s unnoticeable unless youve got around 1000 attempts on a file

[unreal stirrup]

Is there any point putting merciful death on with impending doom? Like does it feel just cut out the 0.5 and do the extra damage?

[brisk trail]

Why am I allowed to give nectar to people when it’s not gonna do anything for me?

[silver nimbus]

but which is better impending or battle rage (i was trying to decide between the two and went for impending just confirming whether that was the right decision)

[brisk trail]

I wasted a lot of it on Thanatos cause I liked his butterfly and I thought It was gonna make it stronger

[raw herald]

100% the correct decision

[brisk trail]

But no nectar just gone

[raw herald]

Impending doom is probably the second best boon you can get in a ME build outside of the core ME setup

The best being divine dash

[raw herald]

It’s not wasted, nectar is used to progress relationships with characters, and some characters give a special keepsake

Including thanatos

[brisk trail]

Oh

Is there a reason to make good relationships with the characters who don’t give you the keepsakes?

[raw herald]

For the story

[silver nimbus]

i want to ask? how well do the high level divine dash build work cause it seems to be a pattern of two ppl's profile and i'm curious 🤔

[raw herald]

It’s a reference to a copypasta

Pomming divine dash is usually never a good idea

[silver nimbus]

yea that is one of the only boons i prefer in common rarity XD

[rustic vale]

“Is there a reason to make good relationships with the characters who don’t give you the keepsakes?”

Everyone you can gift (other than bouldy) gives you keepsakes, and bouldy gives bouldy boons anyways

[brisk trail]

Who is bouldy?

And I mean after they give you the keepsake

Like if I kept giving Dionysus nectar would he eventually give me more cool stuff after the overflowing cup?

I get pretty much everything give you a cool keepsake but how do I know which ones are gonna give me more?

Cause I’d rather spend the nectar on them and then wait to progress the story after I have nectar o plenty

[raw herald]

Meg, than, Achilles, skelly, Sisyphus, dusa

[brisk trail]

Oh wow short list

And I got lucky cause I threw like 4 nectar at Thanatos before I realized nothing was happening

Good thing I threw it at the right guy

[rustic vale]

You get a chibi if you max the relationship

And also story

[rustic vale]

[brisk trail]

Yo

You can give the Boulder nectar?

That’s so cool

I never noticed the option

[prisma wind]

You have to progress your relationship with Sisyphus to be able to gift Bouldy

[rocky panther]

is chaos guaranteed similar to how hermes is?

[dull niche]

no

[rustic vale]

No

[gray moth]

No

[raw herald]

No

[hardy spear]

i guess we'll never know if chaos is guranteed or not

theres just no way of telling

[rustic vale]

[gray moth]

[shadow kindle]

Why is Meg in the bedroom

W h a t

[rustic vale]

Heheheha moment

[shadow kindle]

bro Zagreus absolutely bottoms

[gray moth]

Lmao

[gray moth]

Real

[shadow kindle]

what was that whip sound bruh

Can’t you romance Thanatos too?

[gray moth]

Yeah you can

Im romancing him

[shadow kindle]

Both at once right?

[gray moth]

Uhhh i dont see why not

[shadow kindle]

y e s

[gray moth]

Polygamy

[shadow kindle]

Polyamory

[gray moth]

Mhm

Hypnos and Hermes are so real

[rustic vale]

👍

[shadow kindle]

Do I have to do something specific or just get them both to max at one point or another

[robust urchin]

look up "Dad phase 3 music"

[twilit lodge]

It’s banned for having too many notes

[brisk trail]

This game makes me not wanna actually play

Like everyone is telling me to turn back around and how much of an inconvenience it is that I keep escaping and it’s just like damn

I sorta wanna sit next to Cerberus and chill for eternity cause everyone is angry

Some of these conversations are awful I feel so guilty for making everyone’s existence difficult

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[lean timber]

just engage in society more so that you're not as empathetic

nothing will kill your emotions faster than being around humans

then you can enjoy the game more!

[brisk trail]

Oh so I’m just bad got it

[latent moon]

no you just need to progress the story more by clearing

[brisk trail]

Fr though everyone is just like stop trying I’m so embarrassed to have lost to you get out of my sight

I’m just like damn I just wanna see my mom

Also everyone getting in trouble for helping me

It’s like oof asf this poor man with his bolder is getting 1000 lashes cause of me and Thanatos getting yelled at and step mommy nyx is getting scolded and basically everyone is suffering cause of me wanting to see my mom

[twilit lodge]

By everyone you mean… meg

[brisk trail]

Meg wants me dead

Extra dead

[twilit lodge]

Don’t take it personally it’s just her job

[brisk trail]

No the conversations too

She been said don’t ever let her see me while she’s off duty or something it was like damn

[twilit lodge]

It’s cuz you used to date her

[rustic vale]

Unironically taking a defensive keepsake into asphodel because I’ve my 4 core gods that I wanted and I think i need the help

I’d rather balls it

[vital tapir]

tooth aspho for heat is somewhat common

[rustic vale]

Rip I’m just bad

Tbf I haven’t played in a few weeks

[brisk trail]

Fishing!!!

It’s dope

And i wanna just fish forever

[tepid light]

Tried Hard Labor alongside Gilgamesh

That didn't go well

[feral belfry]

Gilga bad

[feral belfry]

Pro tip if you get 3 fake bobs the 4th will always be real

[quiet lily]

I got no fountain room in Styx on a 40 heat run

All enemy rooms, no fountain, no satyr sack.

Cerberus acted like I handed him one, proceeded to get oneshot by the next boss because I was low on health and had no death defiances.

No mods installed

whatsoever

[rustic vale]

Screenshot

[quiet lily]

You know that wouldn't work for this right?

[rustic vale]

?

[feral belfry]

Never heard of that happening

[quiet lily]

Either a screenshot of the last fight arena, or the doors all being used up, neither would corroborate my story, and I'm not someone who screen records when he plays games, so I don't have video of it.

[rustic vale]

Ngl

I didn’t see the part where you said you got to the Hades fight

I figured you were hard stuck in styx shop

[quiet lily]

The 5th and last door was an arena fight and not a fountain/satyr sack

Cerberus accepted the nothing I handed him, and then I was killed off.

[rustic vale]

Wait

Are you doing 40 heat with dd’s?

[twilit lodge]

The hades police are on their way

[rustic vale]

Also rip no 2 sack rip my touch of styx dark

[quiet lily]

You're supposed to use stubborn defiance for 40 heat? since when?

[rustic vale]

Since LC4 has existed

[twilit lodge]

Lc4 is pretty standard pact for 32+

[rustic vale]

Lc4 means you don’t have to take the other heat options

[wraith falcon]

i have 2 😄

[rustic vale]

2 what

[wraith falcon]

heat\

🔥

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/paris-hilton-thats-hot-hot-gif-4269087

[latent moon]

i mean it's pretty standard for 40 heat, esp since you take 4 heat off the pact with lc4
you generally starting taking lc4 sd at about 32

it lets you avoid a lot of nasty pacts like dc, js, or cp

and cf

[twilit lodge]

You a nasty pact

[feral belfry]

DD at 40 heat is based

[twilit lodge]

DD at 40 heat is something

[latent moon]

i mean it's not impossible

[rustic vale]

DD at 40 heat is a mirror option

[rustic vale]

Just like how fated authority and god’s legacy are mirror options

[latent moon]

if you're very good at the smaller rooms and take minimal damage (while being under td3) while stacking on the nastier pacts then that's fine

it's just probably less consistent considering you're taking other stuff

[wraith falcon]

was too low for chaos and then get fountain next room

rip

[twilit lodge]

I would simply not take damage

[feral belfry]

If I don't get patty after 40 heat basically insta loss for me

[latent moon]

it do be like that

patty at high heat lets you be so more aggressive it's nice lol

[feral belfry]

But not aggressive enough and you just run out of time

And then I panic

[latent moon]

time hasn't been much of an issue for me at 40 heat generally

[feral belfry]

And crumble under pressure

[wraith falcon]

cant im running room defiance so kinda gotta go brazy

[latent moon]

stubborn defiance is good if you take a lot of damage in small rooms

[wraith falcon]

i use it for experimental runs

[twilit lodge]

I mean, you don’t have to take damage whether you’re using SD or DD

[rustic vale]

You don’t have to take damage if you’re using neither as well

[twilit lodge]

Especially on 2 heat

[latent moon]

resetting sd

[wraith falcon]

welp i lost to the final boss again

it was pretty nutty run

triple shot poseidon bow

demeter special

dio cast but its hera so thats op

had a rough time in tartarus

picked back up is asphodel though i did almost die

styx was a mopping session jesus

that multi bump boon on poseidon is insane

all in all it was fun and informative

dio works very will with hera

[twilit lodge]

Clearing 40 heat is indeed cringe

[latent moon]

you're cringe

40 heat sucks

[twilit lodge]

You’re 0 heat

https://tenor.com/view/big-shaq-mans-not-hot-michael-dapaah-gif-10323634

[latent moon]

i haven't done a 40 heat run in a short bit

i forgot i had the goal of 32 heat on all aspects and i'm almost done somehow lol

[feral belfry]

32 heat zag sword

[latent moon]

i did that last night lol

ME moment

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1042296683469484032/image.png?width=1191&height=670

[rustic vale]

moMEnt

[feral belfry]

Very pog

[twilit lodge]

I need some time to get over Sleepy Gary

[feral belfry]

As long as you're not getting under me we're good

[twilit lodge]

It was a Rick and morty quote 😦

[feral belfry]

Oh

In that case

I heard they're shooting the next star wars movie down the river

Maybe we'll see Chewbacca

[nimble laurel]

is the hades keepsake useful

[latent moon]

yes

it gives you a damage and speed boost for a short bit

global damage boost iirc

on top of going unseen or whatever

[nimble laurel]

i love it

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1042683485153927189/image.png?width=609&height=670

full description of what it does

btw it's 100% an max level, i'm assuming lvl 1 and 2 is 50% and 75% respectively

[nimble laurel]

damn im gonna start using it

[latent moon]

it's generally only used for styx

well

dad fight rather

the duration is so short that it's not that useful on smaller enemies

tart and aspho use god keepsakes, ely you can maybe make a case for it but hourglass is generally better

speedrunners generally do god -> god -> hourglass -> sigil

or at least for beo

[nimble laurel]

@latent mooni would like to ask what ranking up does

[latent moon]

for what

keepsakes?

[solar oriole]

It does…..

[nimble laurel]

no the naming rank up

[solar oriole]

Nothing

[latent moon]

oh resource director

[nimble laurel]

like im now sigma warden

[latent moon]

yeah nothing lol

[nimble laurel]

oh

[latent moon]

it's just a darkness sink for late game

[nimble laurel]

damn i fell for a beginners trap

[latent moon]

it's an "incentive" for players to keep playing

[latent moon]

eh just dont do it again

[nimble laurel]

i did it till sigma warden

[latent moon]

there'll be a point where darkness becomes pointless

[nimble laurel]

thanks i wont make that mistake again

i was quite smart and chose the chaos boon that causes damage whenever you attack

while using the machine gun

because that was clearly the smartest option

[latent moon]

just dont get hit

the curse doesn't kill you btw it leaves you at 1 hp lol

[nimble laurel]

im in asphodel and i already lost two of my defiances

[latent moon]

based

just get patty in ely

[nimble laurel]

i hope i do

welp lost my last one

at least the boon is gone

time to pull out my machine gun shotgun with crit and hope i make it

welp didnt find him

dont need death defiance anyways

[latent moon]

true

just win

[nimble laurel]

damn it

almost beat him then i effed up a dodge and got speared

[near finch]

I got the stupidest question of all time. Are there any games like Hades? Steam says Dead Cells is similar, but I don't know, it's 2D and kinda ugly

[nimble laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-the-sun-dead-cells-gif-19409747

[nimble laurel]

all jokes aside the closest thing i can think of that similar would actually be enter the gungeon

[near finch]

it's even uglier 😉

[nimble laurel]

oh i guess you dont like pixel art then

fair enough

just that is what alot of rouguelites are except for a handful like hades and the binding of isaac

[near finch]

I can tolerate it. I enjoyed To the Moon, for instance.
I might try Enter the Gungeon, turns out I have it in my EGS library, got it for free

[nimble laurel]

cool

[near finch]

this whole roguelite thing is new to me, I'm not familiar with the genre at all. for years I played mostly FIFA, NBA 2K and Madden

[nimble laurel]

oh well that explains why you dont like the pixel art asthetic of the games i mentioned

those are just indie games quite alot of them follow a more pixel art aesthetic like shovel knight or enter the gungeon

some are more artistic like isaac and some like stray and hades have a bit more graphical fidelity to them

indie games basically have free reign with art styles gameplay styles and so much more so thats why alot of em have artstyles that arent the same ole realistic 3d that madden and fifa tries to have

or of course any triple a game nowadays that isnt from nintendo

[void vigil]

try other supergiant games if you want similar-ish gameplay and the art style is important to you

I would start with bastion

[craggy barn]

man i should play sgg's other games

[void vigil]

Absolutely, they’re fantastic

[near finch]

I played Bastion many years ago. let me check, it was in 2012. I might refresh my memory. I also have Transistor, never played it though

[void vigil]

transistor is my favorite :]

I also really recommend pyre

though it’s pretty different

[near finch]

thanks everyone, you're the best

[arctic oasis]

I still need to play transistor and pyre

I've fallen in love with every supergiant soundtrack without actually playing every game

bastion was cool

[noble quarry]

only played hades out of those

[brisk trail]

I just had an idea

for hypnos the merch should be a red and gold hoodie with a soft hood

like you know those ones

they’re sometimes called parkas

idk

charon scarf would be cool too

actually maybe thanatos scarf

winter chthonic brothers set

[near finch]

what is it? you don't like Madden? football is my favorite sport

[rustic vale]

Not everyone can play it irl

For a multitude of reasons

[near finch]

unfortunately, I can't play with Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Donald, Deion Sanders and Randy Moss irl

[worn karma]

I just bought one of those themes and nothing happened

Theme infernal stygian etc

Where does it change?

Oooh

Expensive

[distant jetty]

Also changes your left side boon tracker a bit, I think

[worn karma]

So it’s a UI theme

[lean timber]

yah

[worn karma]

nice... I should have paid more attention -_-

I finally made a bond with Sysiphus, and now there's pretty much nothing to discover in the game.

[icy knoll]

dead cells has great animation/style
the combat is excellent but your options are really limited at first and the progression system isn't great, because there's no story to fall back on like hades
once you can get to it tho the combat is very very good

plus there's a much higher emphasis on learning attack patterns compared to hades

also if you've gotten farther into hades the builds are different, synergies are mostly based around rng perks that each weapon has (i.e. one inflicts poison, one does more damage to poisoned enemies) rather than the weapons bare traits like hades

the tone is very similar, looks like it should be dark and depressing but can be very silly

[twilit lodge]

I’m waiting for DC to go on sale

Moonlighter is on sale on the eshop rn, it’s very pixel art but apparently good so I’m gonna try the demo

Children of Morta also but it’s more expensive than Moonlighter and looks worse to me

[void vigil]

by the way, this convo is better suited for #video-games

[heavy sigil]

dead cells is great

try hollow knight if u havent tho

its not that similar

but it gives similar vibes

[arctic oasis]

It’s not as good as hades but try death’s door

[twilit lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1042979535475449956/IMG_1160.jpg

😦

[brisk trail]

is there any way to consistantly get Aspect of gilgameshs maim on enemys?

[rustic vale]

I mean it will happen 100% of the time you dash upper and 0% of the time you don't dash upper

[spice hearth]

It’s been a while since i gilgameshed but does explosive upper also spread the maim with the explosion

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[tepid light]

Me: dies three times in a row trying to make gilgamesh work
Me: gets frustrated and uses achilles instead to blow off steam

[final wharf]

hey for livesplit how do i make it only igt

cuz rn its rta

[feral belfry]

Gilga bad

[brisk trail]

why does everyone hate gilga u can literally just hold dash in and out of enemies while holding attack too

its bad on high heat but v fun on low heat

???

extremely satisfying gameplay

[exotic crow]

Gilgamesh ugly

golden cow

[exotic crow]

whats good on high heat tho

[latent moon]

shorter dashes, longer dash cooldowns

also hits slow, but not hard enough to warrant using % based attacks

[latent moon]

beowulf, hestia, eris, every shield, rama

to name a few

[vital tapir]

right click > current comparison > game time

it might be something else instead of current comparison

[brisk trail]

4 dashes let u escape anything, and i think the damage is huge u can just shred through hordes once u stun lock them

it needs a little getting used to but i think its a fun aspect and def my favourite

[lean timber]

can four dashes let me escape my dead-end life?

[brisk trail]

yes

[lean timber]

mfw it's cloner-seeker

[rustic vale]

4 shorter dashes take too long to “escape anything”

[noble quarry]

Look zag can multi wield

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771081985061814293/1043155193010847845/20221118_142556.jpg

[worn karma]

If I use a boon that makes a deity appear will it work on other stages? Such as elysium

Or just the very beginning of the game?

[rustic vale]

If you use a keepsake to force a god in it only forces them once*

*but it keeps forcing them until you grab them iirc

That may be unclear

[noble quarry]

if first reward in new atempt is a god its guranteed after that it forces god in the pool of what available

long and short of it is hold keepsake of certain good if you look for certain god

[rustic vale]

No

Brb

[lucid elk]

Hi I just got into Hades

And I love Charon so I made my own pfp :)

[worn karma]

But can I force two gods changing keepsakes?

[lean timber]

yeah

every time you put one on it forces them

you could force all four if you really wanted, but good luck with that

[rustic vale]

Yes

That’s a normal thing

Generally you force the most important god for your build in in tartarus then force then second most important one in asphodel

Via their keepsakes

[worn karma]

Ah good
That’s exactly what I wanted to know

I was watching something about poseidon + zeus combo, want to try it out

But the more specific, the more luck needed

[lucid elk]

I got all the way to Elysium by spamming the special on bow. If I keep upgrading the special, can I keep doing that?

Cuz I mean honestly it's really fun

Uh just the heart seeking bow I think

Ok

Is that bad?

Cuz I'm not bad at the game

It has pretty good rang

*range imo

It does 70 damage per hit this run

Same as a fully charged attack

Yep

With boons I get 120 some runs

Boons are kinda confusing tho

Bouldy!

I mean the system

Is there a way to know which ones you'll get

Oh ok

Idk what that even means ._.

But it's a fun game

I got through the 2nd area Deathless somehow

Yeah, idk what that genre entails tho

I love the range of the bow though

Yeah I just bought it cuz it looked cool, didn't really know what it meant.

And it was on sale

charon is so adorable

Anyway I'm saving up 500 darkness for another death defying thing, it taking awhile but I'm at 300...

[cyan jolt]

Let's goooo

Rama is op

I beat em4 hades

And new pb

[lean timber]

rama is indeed op...

[cyan jolt]

And fishing spot

[lucid elk]

Also why does everyone say that Hades characters are hot

Well I mean I did pick the pink heart room once

I got that lady

That's probably why

[final wharf]

also how do i make it tstart automatically

[vital tapir]

turn on the autosplitter

[final wharf]

ok

[lean timber]

awto spiltter

[twilit lodge]

[lucid elk]

The pink goddess of love I think

[jovial shuttle]

Yes. the pink goddess is Aphrodite and she is the goddess of love, beauty, and procreation

[tepid light]

Look at this guy not knowing the names and portfolios of the Greek gods

[brisk trail]

shld i die 20 times on purpose to max my god mode damage reduction to 80%?

even tho ive escaped more than 100 times

would be satsifying to see maxed god mode

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[royal fern]

whats the best beowulf shooty explody god?

[twilit lodge]

For the cast? Flood flare, passion flare, trippy flare are the most popular

[brisk trail]

no but like seriously tho shld i?

[royal fern]

thank you bro

[short glen]

Yes

[brisk trail]

I may have a small issue

I may like charon too much

and not in a weird way

I just think he’s so cool and you don’t even really interact with him as much as you do with the other characters

unless you give him nectar and ambrosia

||and steal from him||

[brisk trail]

the way ppl respond yes makes me think its a stupid idea

[short glen]

There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not likely going to be a big deal either way

Well given you've completed so many runs

[brisk trail]

when shld i quit this game

[high island]

Quit? Wdym?

You can just not play when you don't feel like play, and pick it up again whenever you do feel like playing.

Runs are pretty short after all.

[latent moon]

Flood flare -> deadly strike -> mirage shot
Passion flare (use pstatus) -> snow burst/frost strike or if you don't have a choice mistral dash -> mirage shot if you find pos and arty on the way but not needed
Trippy flare -> extra casts from chaos/wells -> ice wine duo with Dem if you're okay with a slight delay, scintillating feast is optional but not necessary, mirage shot if you find pos and arty on the way

Ordered by best to less good

[umbral summit]

Hades decides to get some exercise in

https://imgur.com/008hXx9

[feral belfry]

[umbral summit]

Has anyone ever done Aspect of Hera with 12+ Flood Shot knockbacks per cast (3+ bloodstones, Mirage Shot for x2 knockbacks, Second Wave for another x2)?

[vital tapir]

yes but with a shield instead

[woven plinth]

Shield supremacy

[rocky panther]

for unlocking the hidden aspects, does investing the 5 titan blood include unlocking weapons?

for example, if i spend 2 titan blood unlocking aspect of zeus for the shield, does that count towards the 5 or do i need to put 5 blood into upgrades?

[latent moon]

i think that counts

[rocky panther]

what's causing him to run away?

[twilit lodge]

His son is scary

[rocky panther]

true

[tepid light]

I think it's just that his AI is trying to get into the proper position to start a close-range attack, but because of how much Zagreus is dashing around, he's getting 'confused' and keeps repositioning himself

[rocky panther]

interesting

[rocky panther]

oh nice thats a good way of looking at it ty!

[frank torrent]

what's a good build for rama?

[raw herald]

@frank torrent

[signal aspen]

ares attack athena special athena dash merciful end

[lean timber]

perfect. quite phenomenal.

[rustic vale]

• impending doom + hyper sprint + rush delivery + 20 poms + true shot + deadly reversal

Gotta love c18 ME

Witch circle just went bye bye

[brisk trail]

is dash special a thing

[rustic vale]

Yes

On fists

[latent moon]

It's not a bug it's a feature

[brisk trail]

i feel like after i get that 250,000 darkness chaos theme from the contractor thers no point in playing anymore

apart from trying to achieve sub 10 which ive been doing forever

im getting bored is what i mean

[vital tapir]

maybe challenge yourself with heat

[brisk trail]

man i did 32 heat once and i really dont wanna do high heat again

its a challenge that i just dont enjoy

i reached 20 with all tho

[rustic vale]

25000*
Go max resource director then

[latent moon]

40 heat

[brisk trail]

bruh endless grinding is depressing

[brisk trail]

i hate high heat y does anyone like it it sucks the fun out of a game thats desigend for u to relax and not have to stress

[latent moon]

i mean it's a challenge

people like a challenge

i like high heat more than low heat speedrunning because it's not mindless lmao

but that's a personal opinion, i know some people dislike high heat or can't do high heat so it's whatever

[brisk trail]

i always thought the game was supposed to be just mashing buttons and turn off ur brain after u master it

[vital tapir]

no wonder you hate high heat

[brisk trail]

i mean u still have to slightly plan for satisfying duo combos ofc

[exotic crow]

why bruh

r u getting bored lmao

u don't have to do high heat tho

[royal fern]

what boon is the best for the aspect of rama?

[brisk trail]

bruh

[brisk trail]

zeus special makes it v easy

[royal fern]

thank you rat

[tired karma]

How would u react if fortnite gets zagreus and meg skins

[brisk trail]

probably play it more

[exotic crow]

that rat ain't no normal rat

[royal fern]

supergiant pls dont

[cyan jolt]

Does bad news still do +50% global damage or did they fix that bug?

[raw herald]

Still exists

[cyan jolt]

I just got the sater sack in the last room

I could have gotten a new pb ugh

[tired karma]

So how many hours it takes for the full story with all gods maxed out

[cyan jolt]

I did it at like 85 hours or something like that

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

I would redownload fortnite just to see zag default dance

[rustic vale]

Aphro strike

[latent moon]

You can do that at high heat lol

[rustic vale]

True

[latent moon]

My more recent 32 heat runs have been somewhat mindless

[rustic vale]

I turn my brain off for 64 heat and just mindlessly mash buttons

[latent moon]

The more you play the game, the better you get

Which is pretty much what happened for me lol

[latent moon]

True

Don't win but it was mindless

[rustic vale]

EZ

Ngl before I got flurry shot when I was doing ME zagbow I legit thought I was gonna break my controller between hitting dash and holding strike

[lucid elk]

Hades

[latent moon]

True

[mental swift]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/412371320232345624/923888627946229760/IMG_6736.gif

[wraith falcon]

what do you do with the orangeflask you get from theseus?

[rustic vale]

Gifting

Housing contractor

Upgrading companions

resource director

Trading

I think that’s all the uses

iirc

[gray moth]

Ambrosia is cool

[twilit lodge]

Drink it behind the office with your Beatles

Besties too

[wraith falcon]

tea party!

[twilit lodge]

At mods

[brisk trail]

is 64 heat actually possible

[rustic vale]

It has been done routed and someone (angel? Or was it someone else?) was like 1 second off from doing it unrouted

[brisk trail]

whats routed

[rustic vale]

It’s like seeding a run but extreme

at it’s simplest

[brisk trail]

wait doesnt that count as cheating

[rustic vale]

no?

[brisk trail]

bruh ok

[rustic vale]

Cheating according to what?

[brisk trail]

i dont understand what routed means does it mean u plan out ur path so u get easier chambers

[rustic vale]

It proves it’s actually possible

[rustic vale]

Not neccesarily

Heres the video of the run

https://youtu.be/fOJ_qJhcGEk

I don’t really know how to explain it but it’s not just “so you get easier chambers”

[brisk trail]

ok

[rustic vale]

From the video description

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1044040769087995984/IMG_2548.png

[brisk trail]

this guy makes it look so easy he makes me wanna try

[rustic vale]

I mean the rng at 64 heat will probably shaft you hard

[rose trench]

is drunken strike good on malphon?

[rustic vale]

Yes if you build it right

Which aspect specifically btw

[rose trench]

demeter

its level 1 since i haven't got a hades clear yet

probably just gonna have to try a few more times

[rustic vale]

It’s one of the 3 good options for your attack on malphon

[rose trench]

what others are good?

[rustic vale]

Zeus and ares

[rose trench]

but doom doesn't stack though right?

ok yeah i see why zeus would be good

[rustic vale]

For drunken strike you’ll want to pour poms into it, force aphrodite in, preferably onto your special, then if you see ares you take then for curse of vengeance into curse of nausea

[rustic vale]

Doom not stacking doesn’t matter

Every melee weapon can build merciful end

It’s just fists are pretty good at using it

Curse of agony on strike, divine flourish from athena, look for merciful end, divine dash, and impending doom

impending doom isn’t as important as the other 4 boons I mentioned

[rose trench]

i've been forcing aprodite onto it since +40% damage is pretty good

so build around dio aphrodite and ares?

[rustic vale]

?

Oh PStatus

[rose trench]

i'm using the mirror upgrade that gives 40% damage for 2 debuffs on one enemy

[rustic vale]

yeah dio builds use pstatus

but the more important part about aphrodite on special for a dio build is it opens up low tolerance

[rose trench]

mhm

[rustic vale]

the dio+aphrodite duo boon

[rose trench]

ive been going for that one a lot

so alright i see, curse of nausea, and low tolerance if i can get it

ares dio aphrodite and then idk who else i can add

[rustic vale]

Sidenote: hyper sprint into rush delivery from hermes is really jice
Greatest reflex is also nice

[rose trench]

artemis is pretty good at support i think

[rustic vale]

Honestly poseidon or zeus

Poseidon you would be grabbing tidal dash from for more flat damage and possibly sweet nectar for more poms on your drunken strike
Zeus you’d be grabbing his call and then hoping for smouldering air and jolted

[hardy spear]

idk might open up too many pommable boons but i guess it doesnt matter too much for low heat

[rustic vale]

True

[hardy spear]

just feels like at that point youre trying to go for too much

[rustic vale]

Ideally you wouldn’t be forcing anyone after you force dionysus and aphrodite and just take what you get I think

[hardy spear]

yeah

just take whatever you get given

[rose trench]

Alright yeah i think i see whats up then

[rustic vale]

Demeter might be good purely because her t2’s are like all nonpommable

so they won’t get in the way of your poms going on drunken strike

[rose trench]

Aphrodite and Dio for sure everything else is nice but not needed

[hardy spear]

yeah

[rose trench]

I think i should try getting the ares + dio boon at least once

Thats just a matter of using the ares keepsake though

[hardy spear]

i dont think ever gotten it after like 250 escape attempts

what do you plan on putting ares on then?

dash?

[rustic vale]

Lemme

No

No cores

[hardy spear]

oh

[rustic vale]

It’s just going on curse of vengeance

[rose trench]

vengeance probably

[brisk trail]

i dont understand how hyper delivery works, the 100% speed boost comes after u dash, but eimmidiately disappears after u stand still to attack so how does it boost ur attack?

[hardy spear]

ah

[rose trench]

im trying to build around drunken strike anyways

[rustic vale]

it doesn’t immediately disappear

[hardy spear]

idk the prereqs for curse of nausea

[rose trench]

mhm i tried it once it was fun

dash and become sonic

[rustic vale]

And hangover boon + any doom giver

[hardy spear]

just because youre not using the speed boost doesnt mean it isnt there

goodness

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1036434099537199185/IMG_2451.jpg

Ideally it’ll look something like this

[brisk trail]

oh ok

[hardy spear]

that is the build ever

[rose trench]

level 11?

what

[lean timber]

don't stand still to attack

[hardy spear]

mhm

[lean timber]

dash attack

or get more dashes so you can have more uptime

[lean timber]

yes it does

[rustic vale]

The whole hypersprint + rush delivery thing relies on dash strikes and it affects any other damage like a zeus call or hangover going off during the hyper sprint duration

[lean timber]

you have to be actively sprinting to have the speed boost apply

[rustic vale]

And?

[hardy spear]

oh

[rose trench]

thats normal?

[rustic vale]

not exactly
But it’s not unheard of

Oh btw breaching cross is like the fists hammer you want it if you see it

Saying bye bye to enemy shields is

[hardy spear]

wait so rd is pretty much useless on bow

[raw herald]

No

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

Nope

[latent moon]

Well if you're using hangover you'd want all your poms on it

[rustic vale]

Unless you aren’t dash striking it’s very useful on bow

[latent moon]

So 10 poms on it isn't unheard of lol

[rustic vale]

and if you aren’t dash striking on bow

[rose trench]

i guess i'm doing it wrong then

[lean timber]

if you're not dash striking on bow you're playing wrong so

[hardy spear]

oh i just misunderstood matty then

[rose trench]

yeah 10 poms time

[latent moon]

Poms on hangover scales linearly unlike most other boons

[rose trench]

hmm i've been ignoring it

[latent moon]

Hangover scales with poms the best

[rose trench]

i like concentrated knuckle

[lean timber]

if you've got the rainbow trail on you signifying that you're currently boosted, you've got rd online. you don't necessarily have to be moving forward

[latent moon]

Dash attacks reset the combo

[hardy spear]

yeah thats what i was trying to say

[lean timber]

but once it disappears, you've got nothing

oh ok

i just misunderstood you

[hardy spear]

we just kind of stupided each other

epic

lol

[rose trench]

thats a shame

[latent moon]

Breaching cross is amazing because it's 900% more damage lmao it makes armor nonexistent

[rose trench]

it seems good on paper at least

[latent moon]

It really does

If dash attacks didn't reset it then it'd be a decent cope pick

But it's pretty much useless

[rustic vale]

It’s good in practice

[rose trench]

you'd think the 5 extra damage each hit would add up to a lot then

guess it doesn't actually

[hardy spear]

so is it faster to break a miniboss's armour with attack and then meg summon the red health when you have bcross

[rustic vale]

5 extra base damage

[latent moon]

It's good boss damage if dstrikes didn't reset yeah

Or decent rather

[rustic vale]

It’s good damage if it didn’t reset on the end of the combo

[latent moon]

Lmao yeah

[rose trench]

alright the set up has begun

[latent moon]

No clue

[rose trench]

i got an epic drunken strike and aphrodite special so i can proc pstatus now

[latent moon]

Depends on the miniboss I suppose

[raw herald]

Megging first gets the timing down perfect every time

But I’m not a f*sts player

[rustic vale]

And more importantly can find low tolerance

[hardy spear]

yeah me neither its my last 32 heat

[latent moon]

If it's like doomstone then you can prob strip armor before meg goes down

[hardy spear]

tisiphone and alecto summon when

[rustic vale]

This was probably like ~470 dps without accounting for additive damage

[rose trench]

yep im just mentioning the short term benefits for me

[latent moon]

Oh btw fist tech
You can dstrike and dupper in the same dash

[rustic vale]

Wait what

[hardy spear]

yeah

that

[latent moon]

Kinda have to mash it but it exists

[raw herald]

Idk if I even knew that 💀

[rustic vale]

I’m a fists enjoyer and I didn’t know this

[latent moon]

Someone else told me this

[rustic vale]

Actually I’m an everything enjoyer and I don’t know everything

[raw herald]

I’m a shackle enjoyer

And +3 dashes enjoyer

And clockets

[latent moon]

I think zyru does it in his Demeter run

[rustic vale]

Clockets enjoyer

[hardy spear]

im a sure footing enjoyer

[latent moon]

True

[hardy spear]

3 damage hades pots

[latent moon]

Irrelevant hs

[signal aspen]

imagine getting all of that in one run

during a race

[rustic vale]

Which category

[raw herald]

Hey I got a 4:10 elysium 🗿

[latent moon]

Anyheat prob

Lmfao

[signal aspen]

i love how the only rail player to not get clockets was wmic

[latent moon]

Oh yeah lmao it do be like that

[rustic vale]

Seeded? Modded?

[rose trench]

yeah i didn't get a good hammer this time

a bit of a shame

[latent moon]

Mod

[rose trench]

explosive dupper

[latent moon]

It's on his YouTube probably lol

[latent moon]

That's good on dem

2nd best hammer for dem

[raw herald]

Me when zyru gets a 40s quicker elysium than me despite fishing

[hardy spear]

[latent moon]

Get outskilled tbh

[signal aspen]

bro they were all cheating

[rose trench]

wait does dupper still hit more times when giga cutter activates?

[latent moon]

Yes

[raw herald]

Ikr

[signal aspen]

wait were you on the same team as him

[latent moon]

Free one shot every 12 hits or whatever

[rustic vale]

I’ll assume it’s the #1 demeter modded any heat then

[signal aspen]

i forgor

[raw herald]

“Bro they’re all beating my pb in a race and I’m the best rta player ever”

[raw herald]

Yeah

[hardy spear]

so youre a cheater too

[signal aspen]

hmm

[raw herald]

Yes

[hardy spear]

noted

[rustic vale]

Yes and it’s better than standing specialling because of that

[raw herald]

I got a tart pb lmao

[latent moon]

Based

[signal aspen]

alena was on that team too

i knew it

[rustic vale]

Aoeui was on that team too

[hardy spear]

who?

[raw herald]

First 2 runners kept shackle on the whole way 🔥🎉

[rustic vale]

Gotta love 6*explosive dupper

[hardy spear]

i like it when i miss it completely

[rustic vale]

Instead of basing splits off of biomes we should base them off of individual chambers tbh

[hardy spear]

pb every time you get chaos

[raw herald]

Story

[hardy spear]

[chilly flume]

How does merciful end work?
I could see it brings doom immediately when you attack with Athena powers but is how is the damage calculated? I was dealing some severe chunks

[signal aspen]

we should have a category that times you with the ingame timer

[rustic vale]

What were the options?

[signal aspen]

that would be cool

[rustic vale]

the damage is just the regular damage the doom would do if it fell naturally + 40

It’s just doom with additive and poms is chunky

[hardy spear]

what if someone pauses the game and goes on holiday mid- run, this idea is clearly fundamentally flawed and would never get close to being realised

[rustic vale]

Nah that’d be stupid

[hardy spear]

that is no speedrun

[chilly flume]

The ingame time is so easily manipulated

[rustic vale]

Codex tech is easy

[raw herald]

Can’t wait to have 50 people watch me wait in the interbiome area for 2 minutes while I check my phone

[chilly flume]

I see

[rose trench]

it was flying cutter heavy knuckle and explosive upper

explosive upper isn't too bad

[raw herald]

If you mean codex tech, then it’s illegal for speedrun.com submission

[rose trench]

the other 2 are painful to use imo

[rustic vale]

Explosive upper is easily the 2nd best demeter hammer lol

“It’s not too bad” lol

[hardy spear]

ramblings of a mad man, what a ludicrous idea, to be timed according to the ingame timer

[rustic vale]

💪

[rustic vale]

The main thing is it’s spammability(divine dash) + high base damage(even more if pommed) + easy access to good additive through impending doom

[hardy spear]

imagine if igt was real and people used fishing tech to pause the timer or something thats wild

[raw herald]

True

[signal aspen]

should i submit a 5 hour long run as my first submission for fists

[raw herald]

Ye

[hardy spear]

please

[rustic vale]

imagine if codex tech and fishing tech were allowed as a seperate speedrun category

[raw herald]

Fish tech is legal

[rustic vale]

Wait

[hardy spear]

wait what if i just start vlogging in the middle of a run recorded on my phone

[rustic vale]

[raw herald]

Fish tech is only really useful in than rooms

Codex tech just breaks the game

[rustic vale]

So:

imagine if codex tech and fishing tech were allowed as a seperate speedrun category

ez fix

[raw herald]

The game would just turn into tart%

[hardy spear]

cant you only use codex tech outside of combat

[raw herald]

(I don’t actually know how codex tech works)

[hardy spear]

brilliant

[raw herald]

Then it’s not really codex “tech” lol

It’s just codex

But I unbindedcodex anyway

[hardy spear]

no i mean like i don't think the game lets you open codex while in combat

[signal aspen]

how are you gonna check duo prerequisites!?!?!?!

[raw herald]

i just rember ! 👍

[hardy spear]

i actually still have to

[rustic vale]

I don’t need to anymore

[raw herald]

Also there’s only one duo boon in the entire game smh

[signal aspen]

literally unplayable

[raw herald]

Vengeful mood

[hardy spear]

nah i made a replica codex irl that i can turn to

[rustic vale]

I legitimately think I remember all the prerequisites now

[signal aspen]

curse of longing

[hardy spear]

curse of drowning

[rustic vale]

Nevermind

[hardy spear]

curse of deflect

[rustic vale]

I don’t remember all the prerequisites

[raw herald]

Not even gonna cap here, my last practice run for the bigpderby was a 13:4x vengeful mood run with naked doom attack

[hardy spear]

curse of crit

[rustic vale]

Idfk about curse of drowning

[raw herald]

Cod is good

[rustic vale]

Not that that’ll ever be relevant

[hardy spear]

curse of discord

[raw herald]

Demeter dad wr has cod

[signal aspen]

idk man the new one kinda sucks

[raw herald]

Isn’t it free

[hardy spear]

dont they all suck

[rustic vale]

Wargone 2 : zagreus default dances boogaloo

[signal aspen]

i have no idea i havent played cod since 2016

[hardy spear]

i havent played cod since that one time at my cousin's house years ago

[rustic vale]

I liked warzone before they came out with Caldera

[hardy spear]

i do not know what those words mean

[raw herald]

I liked cod before they came out with haddock

[rustic vale]

Dumb new(not really new) island map

[hardy spear]

haddock>>>

scuffers tho

[twilit lodge]

Curse of deez

[rustic vale]

That is the only duo

[icy knoll]

what is codex tech

[latent moon]

When you open codex right after you hit dash, you keep some momentum for a short bit and you can just spam between those two to save time

Saves time between combat

Not fun to watch

[rustic vale]

not fun to play either

[mint ember]

hm

so none of yall thought it was important to tell me all the merch for this game is HEAT

[twilit lodge]

Sorry, forgot it was my job

[brisk trail]

what does the boudly emote mean someone tell me

ur lucky ur not a rat yk

[rustic vale]

I think bouldy is very self explanitory

[brisk trail]

its not

not to me its not

[rustic vale]

Uh

Hmmm

Tbh

This is a moment

As an example

[brisk trail]

[rustic vale]

I would call your not understanding a
And I would call my own inability to explain a

[brisk trail]

[rustic vale]

Exactly

[old dawn]

[twilit lodge]

[brisk trail]

[light cipher]

How do I give hades nectar or super nectar? Just rolled credits and hades is happy with me but I still cant give any to him

[high island]

Just gotta wait a bit for the right dialogue.

[oak ibex]

I've started playing Hades regularly again, and y'all, I'm so rusty lmao. I used to be able to do 20 heat no problem, but now at 3 heat with only tight deadline on. I'll be fine. Just gotta get some practice.

[twilit lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1044375366644547685/892A9C53-434B-4F7C-8748-EF350BE44C2B.jpg

Swaggerus obtained

[lean timber]

super nectar lmao

that's funny

[umbral summit]

For Nemesis, is it better to go Artemis on attack for crazy crit chance, or for a bigger percentage increase god?

[lean timber]

you can find success with either

i think arty is pretty typical

[rustic vale]

Going arte or aphro both work well

[umbral summit]

Well, got a 103% epic lunge, so I guess I'm going artemis attack this run

[umbral summit]

I think I accidentally did a cast build. Level 4 Flood Shot, Mirage Shot, Wave Pounding, and misc knockback damage boons

I don't think I like Nemesis very much. The damage just feels really low unless you get lucky on hammers

First death in a long time

Hades at 5%

Naturally it was on a run where the final room had a fishing spot

[rustic vale]

I mean it’s better than zag and pos though lol

[umbral summit]

I don't really like any of the swords, sadly

[tepid light]

Do you have the hidden one

[umbral summit]

yeah

[hardy spear]

i dont like sword most of the time but when i get a good build on nem mm

[tepid light]

Sounds like you're not a big fan of sword in general'

[umbral summit]

Just a few more runs and i'll be done with sword forever!

[brisk trail]

so whos the best player in this server

[rustic vale]

Me

[latent moon]

croven is fastest runner, angel is highest heat runner, idk if baj is in here tho

baj cleared 64 routed, angel cleared 63 modded

[rustic vale]

I am the mostest player here

[twilit lodge]

It’s you

[signal aspen]

Me

[signal aspen]

I'm croven

[latent moon]

hi croven

[rustic vale]

Aoeui best player because they play Hades every second of every day

[raw herald]

Me

I have at leasr 1 sub 20

[brisk trail]

ayo??

[rose trench]

i just realized

the elysium enemies use moves from asterius and theseus's moveset

[brisk trail]

wait what

actually?

[latent moon]

I mean like some moves but not all are similar

Spins, jabs

Lunges

[rose trench]

the chariot is pretty much just that one asterius rush attack

[twilit lodge]

This is a stretch and a mild take

Meg basically uses the same move set as butterfly ball if you think about it

[rose trench]

thats different

[tepid light]

I can see the parallel

Theseus uses Greatshield+Strongbow+Longspear attacks, Asterius uses Chariot+Greatsword

[twilit lodge]

dad is just a giant numbskull

[tepid light]

Dad is Zagreus/Zagreus is dad

[rose trench]

i wonder if bad influeence is good

[twilit lodge]

It says bad right in the name

[rose trench]

seriously though i wonder if it could be paired in a build

getting hangover on 3 enemies at once might be a bit bothersome maybe

[latent moon]

Hangover overwrites itself

So it's really bad

[tepid light]

It's actually a pretty high damage boost, but having to keep hangover on a bunch of enemies at once is troublesome

And useless in boss fights

[twilit lodge]

Not entirely useless in dad fight

[tepid light]

You sure you're not thinking of Peer Pressure

[twilit lodge]

But overall it’s not amazingly useful

[rose trench]

ok

what about peer pressure

[tepid light]

Very very bad

Don't take it

Because it will replace existing hangover stacks on an enemy with new stacks that do less damage per tick

[rose trench]

oh ok i see

what are his good boons then?

i'm trying to build around aspect of demeter if that changes anything significantly

[tepid light]

Well you'll want dionysus strike obviously

Fists are great with hangover

Trippy shot is nice for builds where you don't care about your cast, just fire and forget

Numbing Sensation is nice

[latent moon]

Oops lol

[tepid light]

A lot of dionysus' boons offer benefits outside of combat

Which can be helpful, but depend on the situation

[rose trench]

Hmm ok

[tepid light]

I don't think I've taken dio aid once

That per-tick damage is quite nice though

[rose trench]

Yeah i think i should try building around zeus atk maybe

For crowd control

[tepid light]

If you get zeus attack, get Static Discharge asap

[rose trench]

oh i see

i'll try zeus

gotta rank up his keepsake anyways

[rustic vale]

His cores aside from drunken dash are good

Drunken dash is drunken dash

I’m not sure where it lands

[rose trench]

where you start off the dash

[rustic vale]

?

You would never start off the dash

[twilit lodge]

No like

Drunken dash aoe drops where you are when you start to dash

Lmfao

[rose trench]

where you begin the dash is where drunken dash starts

[rustic vale]

That’s not what I meant

When I said idk where it lands I meant idk where it lands in terms of power s

Not where it lands when you dash