h1-discussion

[noble quarry]

right now i mostly use
-zeus attack
-artemis cast
-aphrodite special
-aphrodite call

and as for the rest i pickup what i find but always happy if i can get althena dodge

[rustic vale]

artemis makes more sense on special

then on cast

[noble quarry]

maybe try her special next then who would you put on cast then

[rustic vale]

No one in particular tbh

Eris is technically a castpect but you can do so much more with the special and other damage sources

[noble quarry]

Maybe should look at duo boons

[hardy spear]

try tidal dash

[rustic vale]

Was about to say that yeah

[hardy spear]

it's nutty especially in styx

(i am a gun addict)

[rustic vale]

Tidal dash is just big damage tbf

[rustic vale]

+75% on the big damage is huge

[hardy spear]

tidal dash >>>>
until i get witches circle

i still cannot hit the meg on witch circle

[noble quarry]

My priorty is
atk>special>dodge>call=cast

[rustic vale]

I only started using meg recently because attempting 32 and 40 heat

[rustic vale]

The priority changes depending on the aspect you’re using

and the build you are going for

[hardy spear]

i assume they mean for eris

[noble quarry]

Yes meant for this build

Eris

[rustic vale]

or you can go aphro cast for smair

Honestly eris can take the global additive however the user wants

It’s just some ways work better then others

[noble quarry]

Eris only really need thunder atk and special that gives status overything else is just nice

[rustic vale]

With lightning strike you still really want jolted

The special doesn’t need to cause a status curse, wdym

[noble quarry]

I thought weak or doom in special would be best

What whould you put in special then?

[rustic vale]

Artemis works well

Because artemis usually is starved for additive damage but eris gives you that

I shouldn’t’ve said doesn’t do great without additive, wrong words

[noble quarry]

Ok will try that next run

[rustic vale]

Aphrodite would work fine as well but doom… eh… not as much

[noble quarry]

Ok will remember that

[rustic vale]

It would still work good just because of eris additive but

not as much y’know

[noble quarry]

Im still looking at what i like most hammer wise

[rustic vale]

Eris wants rocket bomb then cluster bomb

delta chamber is also nice, and triple bomb is like hard discount cluster bomb

[hardy spear]

youre rarely going to get both rocket and cluster bomb

delta chamber is mainly for heat imo

[noble quarry]

I mean yeah but there are sime intressting hammers

I just got a run with a gun that doesnt reload was pretty fun too

[rustic vale]

Delta chamber is that

[hardy spear]

thats delta chamber

[rustic vale]

Hehehehe slow

[noble quarry]

Yup

[hardy spear]

basically just dont pick the ones that suck

like uhh

seeking fire

[noble quarry]

Got that same run

[hardy spear]

hazard bomb with eris is uhm

interesting

[noble quarry]

Had bad luck with with hammer

[rustic vale]

There are a lot of rail hammers that aren’t amazing
I mean it’s not like sword where they negatively affect you but ones that don’t really matter

[hardy spear]

ricochet is pretty bad on eris

piercing fire is meh

[noble quarry]

Sword and spear i havent had much luck with anyway

[rustic vale]

Is pretty meh

Sword is one where you definitely can go wrong with hammers

3 or 4 will negatively effect you

[hardy spear]

world splitter

[noble quarry]

Really should give gauntlet and shield a try but not sure or even what aspect

[hardy spear]

just do whatever honestly

every aspect has potential

[noble quarry]

True

[rustic vale]

Every aspect is special in it’s own way

It’s just some are more special
And some are barely a bump over playing aspectless

[noble quarry]

Just havent touched those 2 weapons much

Think somebody reccomended zeus shield i think

[rustic vale]

Yup

But

zeus shield doesn’t really need levels to do it’s job but also it has a learning curve

use (preferably zeus but any work) flat damage specials on zeus shield for results

[hardy spear]

zeus is a hard aspect

[rustic vale]

🤨

[hardy spear]

you heard

[noble quarry]

Maybe save some blood and just unlock all aspects (not hidden) and try them put

[rustic vale]

I heard and I’m not sure I agree

[hardy spear]

ok

[rustic vale]

But aside from that my main reason for recommending zeus shield was that it doesn’t need levels to do it’s job

[noble quarry]

Hmm then unlock zeus when i have maxed my bow and gun

Then gauntlet after need to look at that and whats most fun and if it needs lot of levels to be fun

Anyway thats for later im gonna sleep grind some blood tomorrow

[hardy spear]

same but not because of the intended effect

[mint coral]

Iframes go brrrr

[noble quarry]

so i recently looked for some hades videos on youtube and i found this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7EYeF9H0-o&t=933s

i found it pretty fun

[slim geyser]

ngl a hades themed dnd game actually sounds so fire

[raw herald]

25s boss kill without invul shields 😩

[noble quarry]

Wonder if they can do better than hades for next game bar is set high now

[brisk trail]

im ngl 32 heat just feels like trying to beat hades for the first time

any advice in general?

[noble quarry]

not dying

being serious i think its gonna depend on your weapon and mirror

[rustic vale]

What’s your pact looking like?

[noble quarry]

and pact yes

[rustic vale]

And where are you jumping from in terms of heat

Also what weapon/aspect are you using and which build have you been aiming for?

[twilit lodge]

He was trying to do gilga I think

Which sounds rough

[twilit lodge]

Definitely follow this advice, except add “more than once in each room”

[rustic vale]

and you shan’t be doing 32 with a god awful pact if its your first time trying

Pact is likely the biggest make or break for new 32 attempters
Aside from skill

[shrewd void]

Why is Hermes so much different than the other gods?

how does he work?

so you can only get a few hermes per run?

I see

[rustic vale]

you get a 50/50 in styx for 3rd hermes

[shrewd void]

okay, I like the 15% free dodge chance too

[rustic vale]

Hyper sprint and rush delivery pair brillantly

and then every movespeed boost on top pf that as well

[shrewd void]

?

[rustic vale]

dodge chance is at it’s best with more dodge chance

[brisk trail]

jumping from 18
tried gilgamesh (tidal dash cheese) which got me to nearly beating elysium extreme measures 3
then tried beowulf mirage flood shot fsr but didnt even get as far as gilgamesh

im thinking of trying chrion

[rustic vale]

But you rely 100% on rng for your dps

[rustic vale]

What is your pact?

And what is your mirror?

[brisk trail]

my mirror is maxed out except for persuasion

i only have 2 persuasion

[rustic vale]

No what mirror upgrades do you have active

[brisk trail]

this is my pact
#h1-victory-boasting message

[rustic vale]

Is what I’m asking

[brisk trail]

ok

wait

[rustic vale]

Bruh

This is just ugh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1036606045537194044/Screenshot_2022-10-31_at_19.41.49.png

[brisk trail]

posted my mirror in same channel

[brisk trail]

pls dont tell me to turn off HS ive gotten rly used to it and never take dmg from traps

[rustic vale]

Turn off dc 2, ri1, throw on td2 and

[rustic vale]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[brisk trail]

im slow af with shield i cant handle td2 man

[rustic vale]

Thiss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1036606253973123142/Screenshot_2022-10-31_at_19.42.47.png

[brisk trail]

maybe td 1 but still v risky

im just rtying to survive

[rustic vale]

That’s an issue

[brisk trail]

most of the time in 32 heat

[rustic vale]

You’re making the game harder by not being faster lol

[brisk trail]

so no dc at all?

[rustic vale]

Dc2 is what is making your shield slow

And js3

If you turned of jury summons 3, damage control 2 and calethenics program2 you’d have a way faster pact

Pick up lc4 and use stubborn defiance tbh

[brisk trail]

man i really need to heal

[rustic vale]

Lemme see if I can get a pick of my 32 heat pact really quick

[brisk trail]

i dont think i can beat hades with one revive

[rustic vale]

That’s what stubborn defiance is for

[brisk trail]

ok ive changed all my pacts to your suggestions shld i strat now?

ok

i also changed golden touch

yk i nver rly understood this

wdym by that

pressing codex???

and how exactly does that save time

[acoustic bolt]

literally pause the game

it stops the timer

[rustic vale]

Definitely

Press the pause button

[brisk trail]

right but the second i unpause the timer continues so

im really saving a second???

[rustic vale]

To make decisioons

[brisk trail]

i mean i rarely even think that much when making decisions and even when i do im like trying to set up a duo so ijust press codex which pauses

[rustic vale]

You’re saving a few seconds if it’s a harder decision

[acoustic bolt]

tartarus on td3 is no joke

[brisk trail]

what keepsake shld i use

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1036608024955068507/IMG_2454.png

[brisk trail]

ive just been using cerberus

[acoustic bolt]

what weapon are you using

[rustic vale]

That depends on the weapon lol

[brisk trail]

yes exactly that

[brisk trail]

beowulf

[acoustic bolt]

poseidon

[rustic vale]

Poseidon

[brisk trail]

damn ok

[rustic vale]

then force in artemis in asphodel

Then take either hourglass or acorn into elysium

[brisk trail]

i really need to heal man i dont think i can handle no healing

or like halved healing

[brisk trail]

ok

[rustic vale]

It’s not no healing when you have stubborn defiance

[brisk trail]

alr ic

and i take bouldy companion right?

[acoustic bolt]

everyone is going to tell you LC4 is easier than the other pacts

like

[rustic vale]

Meg

[acoustic bolt]

for a reason

-sigh-

[rustic vale]

Yup
32 is rough with everything else

[acoustic bolt]

ok everyone except that one person

[rustic vale]

I think it’s you who has the skissue

[acoustic bolt]

poll 50 random people who did 32 heat and 49 of them will say lc4 and heroic will be hte only one that doesn't

[rustic vale]

Take poseidon in tart
Artemis in asphodel
Hourglass/acorn in elysium
Acorn in styx

[rustic vale]

For keepsakes for beowulf

Take meg companion

It really depends on how comfy you are

[acoustic bolt]

is it even more health considering dad hits twice as hard?

[brisk trail]

im using the 3 casts for mirror right

not regen

for beowulf

[acoustic bolt]

dds don't heal 100%

[brisk trail]

ok

[rustic vale]

For tidal flare beowulf yes

[brisk trail]

wow this is a lot to take in i didnt realize 32 heat was this hard

[acoustic bolt]

if you get patroclus they basically do

[brisk trail]

bruh

[rustic vale]

Well you are jumping from 18 heat
I mean matty jumped from 8 but he had a good pact and mirror iirc

[brisk trail]

ok about the pausing thing im on a macbook pro keyboard so its kinda hard to press esc

[rustic vale]

Remap pause button

[brisk trail]

rebind to what

[rustic vale]

anything

[acoustic bolt]

what

[rustic vale]

Idk

[acoustic bolt]

you're the one playing it

[rustic vale]

I don’t play on a pc

You choose something easier for you to hit

[acoustic bolt]

what is happening today

[brisk trail]

ok

[rustic vale]

Trying to explain 32 heat

[acoustic bolt]

i'm sorry i'm in a sour mood i've been up all night waiting for an emergency plumber

[brisk trail]

wait i cant rebind pausing the game wtf i dont see it anywhere on the controls screen

codex also pauses right?

[rustic vale]

Just go potty in the forest

[rustic vale]

Not in the same way but yes

[acoustic bolt]

my downstairs roommate has covid

[rustic vale]

🤨 lies
Otherwise codex tech wouldn’t be real

[acoustic bolt]

am i supposed to make the dude who can barely get out of bed trek into the forest

[brisk trail]

where do i rebind pausing the game???

have u guys rebinded it?

i dont think its possible

[rustic vale]

Oh it wasn’t you who needed to potty

[rustic vale]

I haven’t no
Because I don’t play on pc
Idk if you can rebind pause I assumed it was possible

[brisk trail]

bruh

[acoustic bolt]

my gf has had multiple ankle surgeries and walks with a cane. i was born with messed up hips. none of us are walking too far for a potty XD

[rustic vale]

Rebind your dash to alt and your strike to f4

[rustic vale]

Since you’re in the control rebinding screen

[brisk trail]

ok so i strtaed 2 chambers and ive lost 25 seconds is that bad

[rustic vale]

not really

Wait if that’s including c1 😳

[brisk trail]

but i am

[rustic vale]

Idk my c1 is usually 6 seconds or so

[acoustic bolt]

4-5 what are you doing

[rustic vale]

Being inefficient

[brisk trail]

bruh also i have one last prophecy on my list and thats getting all legendary boons

is tehre anymore after that

[acoustic bolt]

c2 exit is 25 seconds if it's a really bad one but otherwise closer to 13

[brisk trail]

yes ofc

[rustic vale]

Makes sense

[acoustic bolt]

did you do the one where you learn how to play the harp

[brisk trail]

yes ofc

[acoustic bolt]

i mean i didn't finish that until i had all my 40s so i dono

[rustic vale]

If you count your prophecies are there 55 total

[brisk trail]

only thing i havent done is romance dusa

[noble quarry]

only have 4 runs done 2 with bow and 2 with gun is there anything i should focus on now?

[acoustic bolt]

it's ok none of us have

[brisk trail]

well theres a lot so im guessing it is the last

[brisk trail]

wait what why

[rustic vale]

Getting runs in with every weapon lol

[acoustic bolt]

[rustic vale]

I have counted

[brisk trail]

yes

[noble quarry]

im now having much luck with zagrius sword and spear

[acoustic bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/allenxandria-it-is-a-mystery-of-the-ages-gif-22720752

[brisk trail]

ive escaped with every aspect ever

[acoustic bolt]

i am WAY too adhd for that

i jsut hit it once after every run

[rustic vale]

Even aspect of bingus and aspect of bananas?

[rustic vale]

I hit it 7 times after each run till it was done lol

💪🧠

[acoustic bolt]

meh

ok i'm delta dusk

[noble quarry]

are any of the hidden aspects good?

[acoustic bolt]

how many more of these are there

[brisk trail]

no but ill get to that

soon

[rustic vale]

I’m Unseen Dusk

[acoustic bolt]

zagbow4lyf

formerly chiron4lyf

[rustic vale]

22 from where you are

[acoustic bolt]

omg lol

that's hilarious

[brisk trail]

are the ranks just meaningless

do i even get anything

[rustic vale]

I’m gone all day today so I can’t keep grinding darkness though you might catch up

[brisk trail]

or is it just like a long term goal for grinding

[rustic vale]

Morale support

[acoustic bolt]

honestly i think it's just a reason to not have to pick your weapon

[rustic vale]

Yes

[acoustic bolt]

XD

[rustic vale]

Lies

[brisk trail]

bruh istg after i do this 32 haet im just gon play 0heat get everything in the game and quit

[acoustic bolt]

gilga is absolutely unplayable

[noble quarry]

whats you guys favorite hidden aspect?

[acoustic bolt]

favorite? beo is like the only one i ever both with

[rustic vale]

Nothing sucks in Hades

[acoustic bolt]

gy is fine

[rustic vale]

I am bestest in Hades

[acoustic bolt]

oh rama is probably my favorite yeah

it's the least bad that isn't beo but beo is like not that fun

[rustic vale]

I like every aspect in the game

[acoustic bolt]

arthur and gilga are straight unplayable

it hurts my brain

[rustic vale]

Yes

[rustic vale]

🤨 just get a better brain then

Gilga is turn brain off win unless at heat

[acoustic bolt]

omg please tell me where

i didn't know that was an option

oh wait i know

-opens bottle of adderall-

need a new antidepressent though. sweet store bought neurotransmitters

[rustic vale]

So basically you had to do a big annoying side quest
With every other sub-mission in the sidequest being an escort mission with a perfectly too slow but slightly too fast npc

[acoustic bolt]

yeah that tracks. the quest to get a better brain than adhd would definitely be the most painful thing possible

[rustic vale]

A better brain than adhd

I wouldn’t trade my adhd brain for the world

[acoustic bolt]

well you can keep the 'tism. it's mostly just pain

[rustic vale]

Unless the brain it was being traded for was a carbon copy of mine with a better work ethic

I’d take that in a heartbeat

[acoustic bolt]

you want an adhd brain without adhd

got it

[rustic vale]

Bad work ethic isn’t the only thing adhd causes

[noble quarry]

is it bad i hate that damn mini boss in the first area

[rustic vale]

sneak?

The teleporting one?

[noble quarry]

yes

[rustic vale]

It’s not bad

[acoustic bolt]

ok while hyperfixating without guilt feels great i basically never get to do that

[noble quarry]

i didnt say its bad but i find him annoying especially with bow some times disapear before i can shoot

[rustic vale]

This is why you dashstrike on bow

the most annoying part about sneak is the status effects clearing as soon as they disappear

[acoustic bolt]

what is the secret to timing meg for sneak

because i hate it too

[noble quarry]

most of the time i dont have dash then

trying for poseidon/athena dash but takes me sometimes until elysim for rng hates me

oh thought you meant you wanna have a boon on dash before that fight too

[rustic vale]

You don’t need a dash core to dashstrike

[noble quarry]

yeah i just misunderstanded you my bad

[onyx mist]

Finally beat that Hydra yesterday and immediately died of dashing into magma

[rustic vale]

Based lol

[umbral summit]

Just out of curiosity, is there a mod out there that makes EM1 have you fight the 3 sisters properly?

With all three having HP bars, all their attacks and gimmicks (minus maybe Tisiphone's arena shrink)?

[rustic vale]

that would be rough

[noble quarry]

which weapon

[onyx mist]

Spear

I got a really good dash strat which generally gets me pretty far if i have enough health buffs

[noble quarry]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww spear

[onyx mist]

What weapon do you use

[noble quarry]

gun and bow

corect me if im worng but i think spear is most disliked weapon in the game

[onyx mist]

Bow sucks, don't have gun yet but i've seen it and it seems a bit lazy

[onyx mist]

I love it tbh

[noble quarry]

im taking it you use default aspect?

[rustic vale]

Where the hell did you get that impression

[rustic vale]

Disliking any weapon smh my head my head

[onyx mist]

Yea, i'm still a total noob lmao

[noble quarry]

............

[rustic vale]

I’m seriously asking though

Where did you get that idea from

[noble quarry]

look at contractor gives you some nice stuff in room after boss
and maybe get some keepsakes help you form your runs more

[onyx mist]

I got keepsakes, i'm not THAT much of a noob

[noble quarry]

from people i talked about the game and youtube though think big part of hate also seems to come from spin

[onyx mist]

Yea, i dont really use spin

Just get flurry jab

[rustic vale]

Bruh imagine using the spin lol

Hades spear moment

[noble quarry]

did you got the cabinet

[onyx mist]

Ye

[native blade]

Lel.

This is why Guan Yu is best aspect.

Spin Goated.

[rustic vale]

tbh I don’t check sources for hades info aside from here and speed discord and wiki purely because I don’t trust them

[rustic vale]

[onyx mist]

I love the gameplay but i keep getting distracted from it

Also at what part in the game does Than arrive

[rustic vale]

Literally me
My rlt for a 12 minute igt run averages 3 or 4 hours because I can’t stay sat down playing

[onyx mist]

Oh that's not it for me it's just that i keep simping for the characters

[rustic vale]

It fluxuates heavily though

Sometimes I do keep sat for a full run in one sitting which is nice

[swift inlet]

Bow is one of the most fun because it has the highest ratio of good/fun aspects

[short glen]

Once you get enough blood chiron is a bow aspect but actually fun

[rustic vale]

Wdym “but actually fun” 🤨
Like the other bow aspects aren’t?

Also chiron doesn’t really hit it’s stride till level 4 and 5 tbh

[short glen]

yes

[rustic vale]

[short glen]

[hardy spear]

this person has clearly not seen the apm of top hestia players

[latent moon]

lmfao gun is one of the most involved aspects

it seems lazy solely because it's a gun "haha shoot and things die ez"

and most people dont like it because of the fact that you have to reload and they haven't learned to manage their ammo that great (i am one of those people)

[worn karma]

Question: when I use Hermes’ feather that gives dodge when I finish encounters quickly and I unequip it, do I lose the dodge bonus?

Also, I have the impression that when I unequip it my walking speed reduces a little… is it just me?

[twin tide]

If you unequip the feather you lose the buff

[worn karma]

Is it the same for Thanatos butterfly?

[swift inlet]

Yes

[swift inlet]

Plume also gives a speed buff, so you lost that extra speed too

[worn karma]

Oh, I wasn’t aware of the speed buff. Makes sense then

[umbral summit]

What's max possible normal movement speed? I can think of Zag sword, getting Plume on max possible combat rooms up to Hades, and Heroic Hermes speed

[gray apex]

You can get a lot through ichor stacking

[hardy spear]

watch the routed eris run

speed

[swift inlet]

Yeah

Idk luci is kinda weird

Just feels like budget eris especially since you build the same

Like yeah you can stick with triple instead of hoping for clockets

But still

[umbral summit]

By normal, I meant stuff that didn't depend on your actions within a room, so it wouldn't include stuff like Hyper Sprint

[swift inlet]

Uh

Depends

Yeah

No clue what theoretical max ichor is

[umbral summit]

You can buy multiple buff pool items and they stack?

Interesting

[swift inlet]

yeah

Routed eris run has so many ichors you end up at 12x speed

[old dawn]

do you just teleport

[umbral summit]

"Oh no, I'm right next to Hades, and he's about to do his double spear spin! Guess I'll just casually jog out of range."

[swift inlet]

Yeah

[old dawn]

at that point if you reached thst much you could've just zoomed straight to the surface skipping bossfights if the game let you

like "im outta here, bye"

[swift inlet]

I mean if the game let you you could zoom past everyone anyway

[umbral summit]

Imagine if Hades waited for you, turned around, and Zag was just gone

[swift inlet]

dash past him

[umbral summit]

Imagine if the first time Persephone saw Zagreus was with Hades chasing him in hot pursuit

Is that the only multiplicative pool buff? If stuff like Nemesis is also multiplicative, I'd have to reprioritize what I like to buy

[swift inlet]

fr

And yeah crits are multiplicative

But also additive

Like heart rend/clean kill add onto the base crit

But that final number multiplies with everything else

ye

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1036054408695398500/unknown.png?width=1180&height=664

Fully loaded curse continues

pain

Support fire should do like 30 damage

Imagine

It'd be so fun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1017459454016487444/1018844219856666715/unknown.png?width=1180&height=664

One of my favorite runs ever lmao

Smair thunder dash splitting double strike low tolerance dio special support fire chiron

incredible

absolutely phenomenal

It's fun every once in a while

Don't think so

Only when you throw it

Because beo/hera trigger arrow when you load the cast

and not when you fire it

[umbral summit]

That's also when they trigger Demeter's cast shockwave

Which threw me off the first time I did that combo

[swift inlet]

Snow burst yeah

Dem is actually the best supporting god for beo and hera because of that

Because she has 2 really good boons for castspects and doesn't open any bad duos with artemis/poseidon/aphrodite

[rustic vale]

Move speed and crit damage are multiplicative

I think enemy trap damage iirc

[umbral summit]

I knew crit damage is, but that's not a pool buff

Was wondering if the back damage or armored damage buffs were special from the pool

[rustic vale]

?

Wdym

Items from charon well?

[umbral summit]

yes

[south sapphire]

how to use other save files

like downloading them

for speedrunning

[rustic vale]

Enemy trap damage is multiplicative I think
Other then that movespeed in general is multiplicative and aside from that the others are additive to my knowledge

[gray apex]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/uj036

[umbral summit]

Does Forced Overtime also reduce the amount of time that enemies are idle between attacks/movement, or just the actual speed of their movement and attacks?

[south sapphire]

any video for it

[gray apex]

Well it's pretty straight-forward, I don't think there's a vid

Just copy/replace the file in Documents\Saved games\Hades

[south sapphire]

you overestimate me

[south sapphire]

i dont want my main game file replaced

liek the one i have alot of time on

[gray apex]

You can rename the speedrunning file to another slot then

[rustic vale]

They will attack morr often if that’s what you’re asking

[gray apex]

Like Profile4.sav will use the 4th slot

[south sapphire]

i never really noticed but arent there only 3 save files?

[hardy spear]

theres 4

[south sapphire]

im not worthy for speedrunning nvm

[swift inlet]

Arti is a core god for beo 💀

[south sapphire]

havent played in ages yk

[swift inlet]

Well yeah but at that point you can say poseidon is a support god for beo because wave pounding

Support god =/= core/main god that has some support boons

lame just run mirage

[south sapphire]

best boons dionysus

no cap

[gray apex]

I recommend you join the speedrunning discord if you plan on speedrunning, link pinned in #self-promotion

[umbral summit]

trippy beo is fun for big numbers, but makes me sad that the stones take so long to pop back out

[rustic vale]

That’s what stygian is for

[swift inlet]

then you simply don't get cast ammo

chaos giving you shots only

[rustic vale]

Full loaded
Chaos
Well

[south sapphire]

that is trippy beo?

[latent moon]

trippy beo is trippy flare on beowulf

[south sapphire]

makes no sense i havent played in months pls

what is flare with beowulf?

[hardy spear]

the cast

[south sapphire]

oh

on what weapon?

[hardy spear]

shield

[south sapphire]

oh

k

[onyx mist]

Ah alright, to each their own ig

[swift inlet]

You're new, so a lot of the stuff in the game hasn't really shown its potential to you yet. It's fine if you don't like them much now, and even later on, but I suggest giving them a chance once you've learned the game more

[lean timber]

all aspects of bow are fun and enjoyable. not necessarily viable, but most of them are anyway. the rest of the weapons are pretty... weighted towards one good aspect

[swift inlet]

Plus saying stuff like "bow sucks" when it's one of the strongest weapons in the game is wild

[lean timber]

tbh bow does suck

as a bow main

[strong ridge]

bow more like blows amirite

[swift inlet]

Bow has the highest unseeded heat clear and the world record for anyheat in both modded and unmodded

[lean timber]

fr...

[lean timber]

do you have a source for that

[swift inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1036707357373235350/unknown.png

Apparently I'm a bow main too

That's seeded, are you reading

[onyx mist]

Idc if it's strong tho, i just can't have fun playing it

[swift inlet]

Then don't say the weapon sucks lmao

There is no unseeded 64

wait urite

angelic moment

😩

[latent moon]

Shield is basically bow with cshot tho

[swift inlet]

True

Oh yeah I submitted my sub7

[latent moon]

Bow and bow+ main

[latent moon]

Based

[swift inlet]

It's so weird though

Like

Only a few weeks ago I was busting my ass off and sobbing trying to get one

And now I get one while just casually grinding runs on stream and playing super sloppy

[hardy spear]

character development

[latent moon]

Gamer moment

[swift inlet]

I had a super sloppy 7:02 a bit before it too and it didn't feel that bad

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1036039447709483078/unknown.png

[latent moon]

I still gotta get that sub10 40 heat but I feel like I'm getting close

[swift inlet]

No it was 7:05

[latent moon]

Oh yeah I wonder why you got a low time lmfao you got good chaos and wells

[hardy spear]

still pushing to get it further down?

[latent moon]

Me?

Prob Xiao lol

[swift inlet]

At this point idk if I'm gonna get another sub6 run because I damn near had a breakdown getting my last one and doing that on stream is trauma

But like

[hardy spear]

what are you up to aswell

[swift inlet]

If either of those 2 runs were me playing at my best they'd def be low 6

I can post the vod here but like

[latent moon]

This @hardy spear lol

[swift inlet]

It felt so sloppy during the run but it was so much worse watching it back

[hardy spear]

i cant read 👍

[latent moon]

Same

[hardy spear]

average gamers

[latent moon]

I got 10:27 a few days ago and that was nice but had a ton of rng in my favor

2 tart chaos, pstatus passion flare and got mirage

[hardy spear]

relatively few run 40 heat speed right?

[latent moon]

Yeah

Zyru angel and some other person in the speedcord do it

[hardy spear]

what does the pact look like

[latent moon]

Um

#h1-victory-boasting message

That

Ap1 hurts so much

Cf1 too to an extent

[lean timber]

cf1 is okay

ap1 is more impactful

[latent moon]

Yea

Rip mirage shot

Cf1 doesn't hurt too much when you get to sell a duo lmao

[lean timber]

what do u sell

[latent moon]

I think I'll just stick to pstatus passion for sub 10 tho I think it's doable

[latent moon]

Sold heart rend after tart

[lean timber]

what's your curses? weak and rupture?

or what are you going for

[latent moon]

Weak chill

Snurst frost strike or mistral dash

A lot of options

If I get forced Dio or ares early I might put it on atk lol

[onyx mist]

nah im a bit of a noob, haven't even got to aspects yet

[umbral summit]

6 Tidal Dashes is really fun on the barge

Ooh, 7 Tidal Dashes now

[latent moon]

Based

[umbral summit]

Plus Ruthless Reflex

[umbral summit]

https://imgur.com/LwqYeMZ

Only sad part is that I don't have any of the wall bash boons

[brisk trail]

Opinions on God Mode?

[lean timber]

very pleb

but if you need it you need it

[hardy spear]

🗿

[brisk trail]

I have to agree

I really appreciate the option tho

[umbral summit]

Nice, halfway through the Heat rewards

[rustic vale]

Me when Matty has the same opinion as me

[lean timber]

it's good to learn how to play the game because it only reduces your damage taken, it doesn't increase your attack or anything

so it's not like a "crutch" or anything silly like that

[rustic vale]

I need 3 more heat for my 40 pact 🤔

Although

[vital tapir]

em4 then remove one

or ri1 cp1

[rustic vale]

I’m not sure if I should practice 32 heat more or if I should just go for 40

[vital tapir]

go for 40

[rustic vale]

Oh bruh em4 I haven’t fought that in a hot minute

ngl I might just do a few runs with em4 fo2 to learn the moveset

[vital tapir]

do fo1, it’s worse than you think

[rustic vale]

but for 40 it’s going to be fo2 though

[vital tapir]

yea

i wouldn’t ever do em4 for 40 though

[rustic vale]

any time I actually am going to have em4 on

I’ll also have fo2 on

realistically

so

I’ll learn it with fo2

Oh c1 chaos gate

[vital tapir]

if you’re doing savestate practise then sure, but if you don’t know the fight well and you just wanna learn then you’re probably gonna get rocked on fo2

esp with other heat

[rustic vale]

I took maimed strike on zag bow 💀my iq is definitely in the quadruple digits

Oh twin shot

[onyx mist]

ye but this one seems more active (and also more fun)

[rustic vale]

So aside from missing a dd thanks to maimed strike it’s going pretty well https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1036737098583126177/IMG_2457.jpg

[signal aspen]

its purple very worth

[onyx mist]

yea, not like imma remember those

[signal aspen]

zagreus dies

oops spoiler

wait is that thunder dash or titan toppler

i cant tell

[rustic vale]

It’s not even visible

[rustic vale]

Thunder dash pos and zeus cores are mixed up I know

[signal aspen]

breh

[onyx mist]

oh really, does he now?

[signal aspen]

yeah he dies a couple of times

[rustic vale]

Nevermind

[onyx mist]

only a few

will you not?

[rustic vale]

A few tens hundreds thousands millions

[onyx mist]

to be totally honest, i didn't even know what kind of game Hades was when i downloaded it

Was very pleased to find out it was a roguelike/roguelite

[rustic vale]

lmao some dude literally joined the hades discord to complain there were no checkpoints then refunded the game like a few weeks ago

or a month ago

I don’t remember how long ago it was

[signal aspen]

downloads roguelike
is a roguelike
uninstalls

[rustic vale]

Truly a genius

[onyx mist]

HAHAHHAHH what a weakling

no i just got told that the characters were really hot which was enough for me

[signal aspen]

W

[rustic vale]

Based

[onyx mist]

which is not wrong

they sure are hot

[rustic vale]

Best reason to play Hades tbh

[onyx mist]

yea i play Hades for the plot
the plot: thanatos' twink body, and just all of meg

[noble quarry]

im really into the game have it on switch but its also on sale on steam for a day im tempted to double dip

[onyx mist]

wait i mentioned thanatos but i left out meg

that's illegal

[rustic vale]

Wait I can’t find the this dude’s messages whaaa

[onyx mist]

also i was panicking over the whole romance thing cuz i thought i had to choose but apparently you can date both Than and Meg

[rustic vale]

Something something 1984

Maybe my memory is flawed

[onyx mist]

or maybe you cant find em cuz he's not in the server anymore?

[rustic vale]

I’m searching keywords

I don’t remember their name

[onyx mist]

ah ok

wait Hypnos is a son of Hades as well isn't he?

[vital tapir]

no

[onyx mist]

ah

then why isn't he a romance option

like if he was immediate family i'd understand

[umbral summit]

He's too airheaded to understand romance

[onyx mist]

he's not an airhead, he's a himbo

also yes he might seem dumb but the advice he gives you is pretty good for someone who's never been in a battle before

like "just don't die" is pretty solid advice if you ask me

[umbral summit]

While Zag isn't closely related to Hypnos, Thanatos is

Would have caused the poly option to be very awkward

[onyx mist]

..i had not thought about that

that would be really, really awkward

still, he's cute

[shrewd void]

he is adorable, even if the voice effect he's got going is grating

[onyx mist]

i like his voice actually

[shrewd void]

that's fine, it's just my opinion

[onyx mist]

but also he is certainly adorable

and while he isn't as hot as Meg or Than, he really isn't ugly

[shrewd void]

I see him as a less annoying little brother figure

young and naive

my favourite character so far is probably Chaos though

they're so cool

and their design is amazing

[onyx mist]

i think that as a mortal, hypnos would definitely be a stoner

[shrewd void]

Oh, absolutely.

[onyx mist]

oh yea chaos is pretty cool

Omg hypnos and Dionysus would get along so well

[shrewd void]

They seem like two different types of stoners though.

Dionysus is the party type, Hypnos is the sleepy type

[onyx mist]

yea, that's true

[umbral summit]

And alecto is the angry type

[onyx mist]

Nah i'm pretty sure i'd romance Hypnos if i could

[onyx mist]

alecto is weird, man

not as weird as Tisiphone, that is

[umbral summit]

The voice recording sessions for Charon and Tisiphone must have been wild

[rustic vale]

Just gonna note down where I was at in my scrolling because I got annoyed with keyword searching

It’s literally just me scanning for a new face or a new name because this place is an echo chambers and you just see the same names over and over

[onyx mist]

not a lot of active people around here, eh?

[latent moon]

there's a few but we're probably just busy lol

[rustic vale]

Few people who are very active

[shrewd void]

I'm here

I'm gonna be fairly active until my hyperfixation runs out

[onyx mist]

charon's VA just recording himself every time he wakes up and tries to get out of bed

[rustic vale]

Like a stupid amount of active

[latent moon]

lmao

[shrewd void]

then I'll leave and be back when it comes back

[latent moon]

based tho tbh

aotw is zeus shield so guess what i'll be running

[rustic vale]

Gilga

Talos

Zag fists

[latent moon]

disgusting

[shrewd void]

I want gilgamesh so badly

[latent moon]

the right answer is beo

[shrewd void]

but I run into asterius maybe once every 5 runs

[latent moon]

gilga is fun

[shrewd void]

and it's never the aspect

[latent moon]

gilga has it's charm but i do not like the charm lol

[latent moon]

you sure you got the prereqs?

[rustic vale]

Gilga maims not charms 🧠

[shrewd void]

I have every other aspect

I've also spent 5 blood on the weapon

[rustic vale]

I think that adds up to 5 blood in it

[latent moon]

ah then just unlucky

[rustic vale]

Rng dialogue moment

[umbral summit]

I think Gilga is my favorite aspect in the game

[rustic vale]

Rn my favourite aspect is zag bow

[umbral summit]

At least without specific hammers on other weapons

[shrewd void]

my favourite aspect is either arthur or beowulf

[latent moon]

beo gang

it's the only thing i'm good at

thank god for the bugs

[umbral summit]

Doing Maim into Meg or Greater Call feels pretty great

[shrewd void]

I want to see all the different cast interactions

[rustic vale]

Like duos? Or flares

[shrewd void]

beowulf cast interactions

[rustic vale]

so flares?

[shrewd void]

maybe?

[rustic vale]

like how true shot is replaced with hunter flare

and becomes a circle rather than a shot

[latent moon]

1. Flood flare. self explanitory
2. Passion flare. beeg damage, PS with snurst funny
3. Trippy flare. beeger damage, has bugs, needs actual rng tho
4. Hunter's flare. access to mirage is cute i guess, heart rend is also funny
5. Divine(?) flare. idk probably just moderate damage, nothing fancy
6. Shackle flare. lmao
7. Slicing flare. kinda funny and not terrible but also pretty terrible
8. Frost flare. bad pom scaling and the flare delay kinda wack
9. Thunder flare. mirage dont work on it lmao

flare tier list heehoo

[rustic vale]

Normal weapons have shots for casts
Beowulf has flares
Hera has trippy flare then the rest are shots

Flares operate differently from shots

[shrewd void]

neat

but yes

flares

I've only had ares so far

and it was massive

[latent moon]

slicing flare isn't as bad as it seems but compared to other's it's just bad lol

[rustic vale]

slicing flare is massive compared to slicing shot
But lasts like 0 seconds
And can’t get hunting blades

[latent moon]

it's got it's charm

and i think it's funny

oh i should clear 40 heat with every flare

already 4/8 done

[rustic vale]

Get mirage shot on thunder flare

[latent moon]

[shrewd void]

I've yet to go over 2 heat

[latent moon]

i'll try it just for you

[rustic vale]

Everyone does the dumb stuff I tell them to do whyyyyyyyyyyy

idk why but I swear I tell people to do dumb stuff and they do it

[latent moon]

because it'll be funny

i did shackle at 40 and slicing flare at 40

getting mirage on thunder flare isn't the worst thing in the world

[rustic vale]

Shackle flare 💪

[shrewd void]

alright

I got stuff to do

I'll be back after the showing

[onyx mist]

Hypnos prolly gives the best hugs

[rustic vale]

Counterpoint: Cerberus

[gray apex]

Shackle flare gud

[onyx mist]

That's true

Hypnos prolly gives the second best hugs

[umbral summit]

Counterpoint: Dusa

[rustic vale]

Will hug you with snek hair

[latent moon]

probably better than thunder flare tbh

i should add shackle flare on the list lmfao

[umbral summit]

Counterpoint: Bouldy

[onyx mist]

too small to hug you, but you can hug her

[rustic vale]

Just get double strike and jolted and win

I wonder what pom scaling on thunder flare is

[umbral summit]

That snake hair is plenty long enough to hug you

[onyx mist]

walks out of river styx

wow, you really just got killed by a boulder, didn't ya? have you tried, i don't know, not letting those fall on you?

sorry if that's not a good Hypnos impression

[rustic vale]

I feel that
“haven’t you tried, you know, stepping out of the way?”
Fits more but

[latent moon]

iirc it sucks lmao

[rustic vale]

Either way I could tell it was a hypnos impression so

[umbral summit]

I need to start undocking my switch more for fishing

[onyx mist]

good point but that's already used for the Thugs, i think

might be the Louts

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1036754006128734298/output.png

horrid

[rustic vale]

I never play anything anymore with my switch docked

Aside from party games at family events

I always have it handheld otherwise

[rustic vale]

💀

[noble quarry]

i heard something about badges how do you unlock those

[rustic vale]

You mean the bond forged chibis?

[noble quarry]

not sure think they called badges heard from the completonist video

[rustic vale]

or like resource director does give you an icon type thing

[noble quarry]

yes that one

[rustic vale]

oh lol

You need 10 wins to even meet ‘im

[noble quarry]

ok

[rustic vale]

You need a total of 325000 darkness (along with other resources) spent on him to get the last rank

[strong ridge]

not too much

[rustic vale]

Last I checked I was… 20? 22? Ranks off of completing them

So about a 1/3 of the way in terms of darkness

[noble quarry]

switch has cross save should i pickup steam version on sale too

[rustic vale]

I couldn’t tell you lol I exclusively play Hades on my switch

[latent moon]

i mean if you want to play on a different computer or bring your laptop wherever or whatever then if you want

[rustic vale]

I would say that’s what the switch is for but then again… switch battery life moment

[latent moon]

loading times moment

[rustic vale]

Hades loading times aren’t bad on switch

well… not that bad

[strong ridge]

who would win
hades switch crossave
steam cloud steam deck

[rustic vale]

Switch certainly ain’t a powerful console

Nor is it too portable with it’s battery life

but I like nintendo games

[lean timber]

they're both awesome 😄

[strong ridge]

i like nintendo games i do not like nintendo at all

uncoolest company ever

well - for gamin

[umbral summit]

Honestly, the Switch isn't even that weak for when it came out. It was weaker than the then-current systems, but not by that much.
The biggest issue is that it's a whole generation behind on top of that

[onyx mist]

i feel like if Hypnos actually got off his ass for once and guided you through the underworld he could kill Hades himself

i mean in greek myths, Hypnos did kill Zeus once

[umbral summit]

There's lots of worse gaming companies, IMO

[latent moon]

with steam, you can mod the game lol

[umbral summit]

Activision, EA, Ubisoft, Tencent

[rustic vale]

True

[strong ridge]

nintendo is just hyper aggressive about unofficial content

[rustic vale]

I’ve tried playing games like subnautica 2 and the battery goes 📉
Especially if you try to have 40+ creatures in aquariums
Come to think of it that’s probably why my game was lagging

[umbral summit]

Nintendo really needs to come out with a Switch 2 that's at least significantly stronger than the PS4, and soon

[strong ridge]

switch is very powerful for its size

im sure they have smth in the works tho

[umbral summit]

It was very powerful for its size, but it's fallen behind since it's now 5 and a half years old

[rustic vale]

True

[strong ridge]

naw im still going with is powerful for its size

[umbral summit]

Nah, modern phones that you can hold within a single hand are stronger than the Switch is

[strong ridge]

you also pay like 5x as much

so

[rustic vale]

True but the point still stands though

the switch is no longer that powerful compared to other things that exist rn

[umbral summit]

You could argue it's cheap for the performance, perhaps 😛

[strong ridge]

not really much of an argument, that.

[acoustic bolt]

It's a bad steamdeck now

[rustic vale]

Ngl

Idk what a steamdeck is

[strong ridge]

switch but pc games

(can also run switch emulator)

[rustic vale]

makes sense

[umbral summit]

If they announced a Switch 2 and said it was coming out in 2023, I bet they could make it reasonably close to as powerful as the PS5 while keeping the same size

Might get a price hike to like 400, though

[rustic vale]

Usd?

[umbral summit]

yeah

[rustic vale]

I think in CAD it was $400 at release but I may remember wrong idk what they retail for now

[onyx mist]

I feel like Hades would instantly lose like at least a tenth of its fanbase if you had to make a choice between Than and Meg

[umbral summit]

Original Switch was MSRP $300 in USD

[rustic vale]

I feel like Hades fanbase would quadruple if you could romance Bouldy

[strong ridge]

global bouldy harem

[onyx mist]

I feel like we need to be able to romance Skelly

[strong ridge]

naw

we dont

[rustic vale]

WHAT

💀

[umbral summit]

I think you mean romance Nyx

[onyx mist]

that's a joke for legal reasons

i do not ship Zag and Skelly

[onyx mist]

ew, wtf?

[umbral summit]

It'd be like one of those anime-style "It's not technically incest because they're not related!" things

[rustic vale]

I mean I know it’s greek mytholgy and all but

[onyx mist]

dude still, that is your step-mom and the goddess of the night too

have some respect

[umbral summit]

Romance Asterius for the NTR route

[onyx mist]

asterion?

asterion...

[rustic vale]

Also like
The game does steer away from mentioning incest

[onyx mist]

oh.

oh no.

[rustic vale]

Asterius

[umbral summit]

Yeah, oops

[onyx mist]

oh no no no.

[rustic vale]

This is why #h1-for-new-players exists

[onyx mist]

no i know who asterius is i just forgot

[onyx mist]

let's... not?

[rustic vale]

Romance Resource Director

[strong ridge]

why cant we buy a trapdoor for thessus to fall down in

[rustic vale]

True that should be a work order

[onyx mist]

i don't think i know what that is

[umbral summit]

I do wish there had been eventual story developments that made Theseus respect Zag eventually

[rustic vale]

Have you escaped 10 times yet?

[onyx mist]

lmao i haven't even escaped once

[rustic vale]

Exactly

[onyx mist]

ye but zag has morals

[rustic vale]

True but the game itself steers away from the incest

like

[onyx mist]

i mean morals with his romance choices

[umbral summit]

Zag would only know incest is morally wrong if someone taught him that it was

And no one there would have thought that

[onyx mist]

he married his niece

[rustic vale]

Greek and morals don’t go together wdym

[onyx mist]

that's true but Zagreus is awesome

idk, a mortal?

ok good point

[umbral summit]

It's happened a few times, though mostly with lesser-known gods

Selene married a mortal

Goddess of the Moon

Eos, Goddess of the Dawn, also married a mortal

[onyx mist]

well it's Eos

goddess of the Dawn

[umbral summit]

Eos and Selene were Helios's sisters

There's 12 Gods that were basically popular enough to be seen as the "main" ones in the current day, and then there's a bunch more less popular ones

[onyx mist]

The earlier gods were cooler imho

i would love to be married to the literal earth

that's so cool

exactly

[latent moon]

i mean hades was one of the big three

so he's just more popular by default

[umbral summit]

Hades is considered one of the Olympian 12

[onyx mist]

yes he is

[vital tapir]

guy who doesn’t know selene

[umbral summit]

Sorry, not 12, but still one of the Olympians

Zeus/Demeter/Poseidon/Hades/Hera/Apollo/Artemis/Aphrodite/Ares/Hephaestus/Hermes/Athena/Dionysus/Hestia are the gods variously listed as being Olympian

[latent moon]

the game doesn't exactly follow the mythology

[onyx mist]

he's an olympian as well

[latent moon]

it's very similar but it's just based off of the mythology

[rustic vale]

Heroic really wants that incest

[umbral summit]

They just switched Demeter's parents to make Persephone not related to Hades, right?

[onyx mist]

what's your obsession with incest, dude

[umbral summit]

Did they do anything else?

[onyx mist]

ye but like-

you seem really eager to let Zag do incest as well

oh wait it isn't you who wanted to romance nyx

nevermind

[rustic vale]

Speaking of lore inaccuracy
Last time I checked the Bible, Lucifer didn’t have a gun

[umbral summit]

Well, according to the Bible, Lucifer is still active, and the aspects also call from the future

Maybe he'll get a sweet railgun in the future

[rustic vale]

Maybe he’ll get a sweet railgun in the future

Have you seen aspect of luci lol

It’s anything but sweet

[vital tapir]

it’s good

[umbral summit]

All railguns are sweet

[rustic vale]

It’s more like:
FACE

[umbral summit]

It's just not quite as sweet as other weapons Zag has

[rustic vale]

I don’t mean actual gameplay lol

[vital tapir]

no respect for non beo shields smh

[onyx mist]

no but it's still gross

[vital tapir]

everything is descended from chaos so

[onyx mist]

and yes, just a bit less direct

[vital tapir]

it’s incest all the way down

[umbral summit]

I mean, any god with any god is incest if you go a bit further

[vital tapir]

2 generations apart is p tame for the gods

[umbral summit]

There's no hard universal line

Cousin is a lot closer in blood than step-parent, but many people would find the latter much more icky

While others would find non-blood related step-relations not abnormal at all

To you, perhaps, because of your culture and the values of those that raised you

Not to everyone

[rustic vale]

Just like real life fr

[vital tapir]

gaia and uranus -> kronos and rhea -> poseidon

[rustic vale]

I mean greek gods be going after their direct family

[umbral summit]

There's also Zeus + Demeter, who were siblings

Zeus married several of his aunts

[vital tapir]

that’s what i’m saying

[umbral summit]

Right, it's closer

He said 2 generations is apart is tame, meaning relationships closer than 2 generations isn't uncommon

[rustic vale]

2 generations diagonally

🧠

[umbral summit]

No, he was saying closer than 2 were common

Zeus did sleep with his great granddaughter, though

Made Hercules with her

Wikipedia says he full on married Mnemosyne and Leto

[rustic vale]

Leto is accurate

Then he swallowed her

And birthed athena from his forehead

Oh wait bruh

I have my names mixed up

My bad

[brisk trail]

how do people beat em4

[rustic vale]

They don’t have a skill issue

[umbral summit]

Having good DPS is the biggest thing, IMO

The longer the fight goes on, the higher the chance you'll lose focus and start to get combod

Second is getting dodging the spear throw down to muscle memory

Don't assume that he's done attacking after a couple fireballs or spins

In the 3rd phase, try to avoid getting far away from him

It's a lot easier to get caught off guard through the darkness if you can't see him

I really like Gilgamesh.
https://imgur.com/aFSRZ69

[tepid light]

practice, practice, practice

that's really all it comes down to

the fight seems incredibly overwhelming at first and you'll die a lot

but eventually you'll find yourself getting more and more familiar with what he can throw at you and how to avoid it

I still lose two dd's on average during the fight

[latent moon]

beat em4 how you beat every other boss: keep doing it until you get good with it

and then steam roll

or struggle less i guess lol

[tepid light]

^

everyone starts somewhere

once upon a time basic dad kicked my ass