#h1-discussion

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rustic vale
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Bur

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I gave up because I wanted to switch around my mirror so prayer that I can keep rng the same

rich herald
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What's the maximum number of boons you can get in a run, given most-boon-giving RNG? Like, is there a hard limit in terms of spaces for boons, or certain RNG to not allow X number of consecutive rooms to give boons, or is it just straight up possible to get a boon every chamber(minus bosses and area entryways) + duo rooms and get like, 80 to 90 boons or something crazy like that?

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Oh and I guess also could you even get that many without being 100% forced to have some replace others

lean timber
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there is theoretically no limit

devout terrace
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Atleast 2

rustic vale
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Trials moment

acoustic bolt
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can you only get 1 extra chamber per biome from chaos or erebus?

rustic vale
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I’m pretty sure it’s only an extra chamber if it’s the second last chamber per bossfight that you enter

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Because the game won’t put you immediately from chaos or erebus into boss fight

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So only 1 per biome -styx I’ll assume

high island
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Only 3 extra chambers at most, yeah.

rustic vale
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Pro tip: use codex tech to make your pb’s faster /j

rich herald
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Oh god yeah and then RNG allowing Charon to sell 2 boons each visit
I didn't even think of that

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If there is a maximum I'm sure somebody here knows how to reach it, people here know RNG manips it seems

rustic vale
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Rng manip isn’t hard it’s just tedious

rich herald
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Watch tomorrow I'll get pinged with a video proving the max number of boons KEKW

latent moon
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does chaos count as a boon?

lean timber
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no

latent moon
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so then there'd be no point in doing the extensions

rustic vale
rustic vale
swift inlet
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Simply roll to never get poms/gold/darkness etc

latent moon
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oh i guess so

swift inlet
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Only get boons

rich herald
rustic vale
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It’d be authority

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Persuasion isn’t going to get you more boons

rich herald
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Right
I confuse the two's names

rustic vale
latent moon
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so theoretically, if you always get a boon from every single room + extensions, then that'd be 39? i think

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wait i counted the mid biome stuff

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uh

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35?

high island
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Did you include trials?

latent moon
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oh no

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37

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2 trials max per run right?

rich herald
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My max chamber count is 73 I think
So take out like 20 for Styx, 4 for bosses, what like 8 for mid biomes, 3 Charon, and then add in however many Gods Trials you can get

high island
latent moon
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hm

lean timber
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i think it's both lol

latent moon
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wiki time

lean timber
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one per biome, two max. but idk

latent moon
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This means there can be 0 to 2 Trials of the Gods in a single run.

lean timber
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based

latent moon
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assuming the wiki is right ofc

lean timber
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which it is not, sometimes

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to be fair

rustic vale
high island
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Probably right then.

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Knowing that now, it will have absolutely no effect on your decision making in your future runs.

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Important knowledge.

latent moon
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count the boss fight rooms because it factors in extensions

rustic vale
latent moon
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speedrun g o n e

rustic vale
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/j

latent moon
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i didn't count any shop shenanigans

high island
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Take trials and beat @latent moon's PB anyway.

latent moon
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has anyone taken a trial and gotten a sub7

lean timber
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i have

rustic vale
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i took a trial and got a sub0

latent moon
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i mean it's probably possible but also why lmao

latent moon
lean timber
rich herald
latent moon
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no 34 is just start to ely boss

rich herald
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Ah

latent moon
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it's easier to count from that than total rooms

rustic vale
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Max chamber count is like 71?72?

latent moon
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counting total rooms means you have to estimate styx tunnel lengths

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and that's random

rich herald
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So max 34 chambers up through Elysium, then add... is it possible to get 5 boons in Styx?
Got it

rustic vale
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well you wouldn’t count boss rooms or mid biome rooms

latent moon
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-4 for mid biomes, +2 for trials, +whatever for shop

rich herald
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Right

latent moon
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so might as well

rustic vale
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Oh true

latent moon
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you can get 3 extensions, 3 bosses, no point in saying -3 +3 here

high island
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Gotta take High Confidence in a run like that, so you end with 50 max HP.

rustic vale
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15 max hp

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Use lvl1 guan-yu

rich herald
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Just don't get hit

high island
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I never get hit.

latent moon
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use coin purse so you can buy stuff lmao

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and then after that idk

high island
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Haven't got hit a single time this month.

latent moon
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tooth probably

rustic vale
high island
rustic vale
high island
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Sigil to get another boon.

rustic vale
rich herald
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Oh god I forgot about Obols
Now we gotta RNG manip for max money giving enemies

latent moon
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js3 lol

rustic vale
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I thought minibosses dropped obols and that was it but idk

rich herald
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Oh y'know what? What about having Charon appear twice per biome and selling 2 boons each time

rustic vale
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already accounted for no?

high island
rustic vale
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Idk

rich herald
high island
rustic vale
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I only realised recently that I was killing enemies in a room and they were actually dropping obols

latent moon
rich herald
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Lots of enemies drop coin but I only know Louts and Satyrs

rustic vale
high island
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Bruh.

rustic vale
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I had no clue before then

high island
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Sounds like you.

rustic vale
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Literally just never had that information

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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I've been wondering what enemies drop obols too. I noticed in survival rooms you get a few drops and then stop gaining no matter how many enemies you kill and wasn't sure hwo to account for that.

lean timber
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i think all enemies can drop cash, but the rates are different for each. i know louts and big rats drop cash

high island
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Obol drop rates are based entirely on how much Amir likes you.

dusky solar
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like every enemy drops obol

umbral summit
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I don't think Exalted do

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I remember out of curiosity trying to farm obol from them by letting them revive, but to my surprise they weren't giving me any, including on first kill and on killing the buds

acoustic bolt
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@stolas we're just not technically supposed to be having long discussions there

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@mint torrent

mint torrent
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Yes?

acoustic bolt
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we are bad at following directions 😄 @rustic vale @brisk trail

acoustic bolt
# mint torrent Yes?

just calling your attention here so we can talk here instead of the wrong channel

rustic vale
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lies and slander I am the best at directions

acoustic bolt
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do you even know left from right

rustic vale
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yes

acoustic bolt
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or do you have to do that hand thing where you make an L

rustic vale
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bruh

acoustic bolt
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the callouts

rustic vale
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something something left-handed

acoustic bolt
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hey i'm left handed too

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sweet

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there are literally dozens of us

rustic vale
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I mean I'm 90% I was right handed before I broke my arm in elementary school and had to learn how to do everything with my left

mint torrent
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I chose monitor settings that look beautiful when playing Hades, but now my wallpaper looks deepfried to Tartarus.

acoustic bolt
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WHAT DO YOU THINK lol

mint torrent
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Tip: never do 100% contrast and look at the files app

acoustic bolt
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might be my geforce thing

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besides i have a milion programs open at the same time so that's not super useful for people with ADHD XD

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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dude being productive

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it's super helpful though

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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these are also really helpful. the videos by duuuunk were very informative

acoustic bolt
rustic vale
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no I'm me

mint torrent
rustic vale
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now for me to play hades to distract myself further

acoustic bolt
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my productive use of my time today has been learnign to understand the lua that hades and mods are developed in

rustic vale
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I was gonna finish english homework but the Hades Discord existed

acoustic bolt
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so i can make heavy knuckle work with dash-strike

rustic vale
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that's

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certainly a reason

acoustic bolt
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i have other things i want to do but that's first because it's easiest.
regardless i can still put it on my portfolio so it's productive XD

lean timber
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lol you just don't get anything half the time

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good mod

hardy spear
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ap2.5 + uc lumpyDespair

acoustic bolt
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i think you misunderstand my goal

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i'm trying to make the game more fun not less fun

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also i think there is a mod that adds more heat options. something like what you're describing might be there

rustic vale
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Make flurry fire, spreadfire and delta chamber all compatible

wet quail
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Is there a way to make the timer continue no matter where I am or when I'm in a menu?

acoustic bolt
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like in vanilla or in the context of modding?

rustic vale
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Are you trying to figure out your real life time?

acoustic bolt
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the speedrunmodpack has a real time speedrun thing

wet quail
acoustic bolt
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nah

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
rustic vale
acoustic bolt
rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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this is definitely doable. it's like how reroll everything works i bet

vital tapir
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then replace arthur with a good aspect

hardy spear
rustic vale
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That could be ungodly

acoustic bolt
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pony's adjustable balance makes hoarding slash a higher %

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15% instead of 5

rustic vale
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What else needs to be adjusted
Uhhh
Rocket bomb, triple bomb, cluster bomb and hazard bomb should all be compatible

acoustic bolt
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like how heavy knucle works but variable?

rustic vale
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Adding it to base damage is just 💀

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Fix whatever piercing volley does to your volley

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Hazard clockets zagluv

rustic vale
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C’mon aziraphale meet the peoples demands

latent moon
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i could totally install codex mod and prove it but whatever

rustic vale
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I mean if you’re modding the game I’m assuming you’re messing around seeing the game files anyways so

latent moon
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wdym

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i'd just test it on skelly lol

rustic vale
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True

latent moon
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ik it has a point blank and range issue so it wont be hard to test

rustic vale
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Because otherwise it’s like who is actually a) using chiron, b) picking up piercing volley, c) recording it

lean timber
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chiron piercing volley?? uh yeah that's a decent hammer

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i'm not passing that up unless i get conc or relentless

rustic vale
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I am

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Twin shot > concentrated > relentless > everything else

latent moon
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lmao

vital tapir
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the piercing never rlly hits multiple enemies

rustic vale
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I cannot prove this information but
Piercing volley defo messes up the chiron targeting

latent moon
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yeah i'm pretty sure it's the last enemy hit

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which is why i like piercing lol more aoe for a single target weapon

lean timber
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exactly

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attack doesn't matter on chiron really

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i mean obv it does. but not as much as a hammer. like between twin and concentrated, i'm taking conc. et cetera

rustic vale
brisk trail
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how rare is it to get the beowulf phrase from chaos?

rustic vale
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ehh

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depends on how many different dialogues you can get from him rn

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some have a bit of priority

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otherwise rng

rustic vale
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Entering ely with 0 hermes 😳

old nest
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just beat asterius and as zag says "i beat the bull of minos" asterius already walking out the door goes "what." before the door shuts

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not sure if that was intended to happen but it was funny

native blade
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Just wish u clipped it.

vital tapir
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i might make a comp of asterius moments one day

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i had him get stuck on the exit door for no reason at all recently

brisk trail
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how do I beat hades consistantly?

rustic vale
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Practice

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And knowing how to build your weapons/aspects

tepid light
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Finished my first run in quite a while

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My skills have not dulled

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Unga bunga'd dad to death with nemesis blade

latent moon
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Speedrun nightmare

twilit lodge
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Imagine playing video games

brisk trail
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ive maxed out all aspects and is 1 titan blood away from buying the theme at the contractor shop

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what do i do with the blood afterwards?

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do i just trade for other stuff at the shop place

twilit lodge
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Resource director I think

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Other than that there’s no use

brisk trail
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alr

rustic vale
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Trade for darkness

twilit lodge
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Can’t trade blood for darkness

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Ambrosia and keys only I think

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Bl**d and d*rkness not bl**d for d*rkness after all

rustic vale
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Bl**d and d*rkn*ss moment

twilit lodge
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Wut

rustic vale
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Fists moment

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Bl**d and d*rkn*ss

mint torrent
twilit lodge
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True

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Probably

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What’s za hando

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Sounds like something from JimJim’s Weird Escapade

rustic vale
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Zigzags odd quest

twilit lodge
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Finally, admin chamber flashback

supple light
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dam I Just got to hades on my third run

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with very minimal mirror stuff

latent moon
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based

supple light
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I died tho

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he so stronggg

twilit lodge
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Lv1 Poseidon sword is not fun

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Especially when you don’t get LP

latent moon
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Lv1 Poseidon sword is not fun

twilit lodge
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Anti sword proper gander

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Out of chances to get LP now lmao

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This is sad

supple light
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I got this hammer thing where i would get health

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per hit

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pretty op

twilit lodge
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Cursed Slash

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?

rustic vale
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Yes

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It ain’t exactly great

latent moon
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well

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it's below decent tbh

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but useable

twilit lodge
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Later in the game like after tart

supple light
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no idea what to do

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to my mirror

twilit lodge
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Get the next death defiance

supple light
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So save up?

twilit lodge
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Yes

supple light
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Should I unlock weapons?

twilit lodge
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Unlock weapons

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Yes

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To get more darkness you should play with weapons you’ve already fought bosses with

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To get more titans blood and diamonds you have to kill bosses with each weapon

supple light
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How do I unlock the other 2 weapons?

twilit lodge
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But once you have beaten a boss with a certain weapon you get darkness instead

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By unlocking the ones you already can see

latent moon
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1 dd is fine for now

twilit lodge
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The 500 one is cheap tbh

latent moon
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it's really not compared to other upgrades rn

supple light
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What should I do with these gems?

twilit lodge
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Backstab damage so op

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Use them

supple light
latent moon
twilit lodge
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Stick to the first tab of upgrades

twilit lodge
latent moon
supple light
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done

twilit lodge
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Nah buy the flomp so you can start making questionable decisions in runs because it’s for a prophecy

latent moon
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lmao there's no point tbh

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you can get prophecies done before you unlock it so it's fine

supple light
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weird the other weapons didn't show up

latent moon
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and the troves pay for themselves

latent moon
supple light
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kk

latent moon
twilit lodge
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Almost nothing in this game shows up right away when you buy/accomplish its prerequisites

latent moon
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maxing it to lvl 3 is only 70

twilit lodge
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It’ll show up when you leave and come back usually

supple light
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illl do that when I die

latent moon
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that works too

twilit lodge
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Imagine dying

latent moon
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your next keys should go to your mirror
the 5 key mirror upgrades aren't too great rn imo, but the 10 key ones afterwards is really good

twilit lodge
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Rama unlocked already whee

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Thanks Artu

supple light
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Dang I got curshed slash again

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idc about spoilers tbh

latent moon
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rip

supple light
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Well

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I mean idk

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pre hades fight

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idc

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I don't wann aknow what happens after big hades fight

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i got curshed slash again

latent moon
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bouldy aight then

twilit lodge
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You turn into Cerberus and trash the lounge

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Oops spoilers

latent moon
supple light
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alrigh till do it

brisk trail
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does fiery presence get blocked by the glass hearts

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like does the hit after breaking the glass heart increase by 75%

rustic vale
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Blocked by dc

twilit lodge
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Not true apparently actually

rustic vale
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Hmm

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🤨

latent moon
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nyaa says it's not blocked iirc

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idek at this point

rustic vale
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Nyaanyaa is usually right

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except on the topic of piercing volley

twilit lodge
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Speedcord also says it works

brisk trail
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bruh so shld i choose fiery presence or the other one

twilit lodge
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Fiery is good for stuff with big hits

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Like beo Hera Hestia

rustic vale
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Fiery

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Sooner things die

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The better

brisk trail
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right but i like teh damage contorl pact so

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does fiery still work

twilit lodge
acoustic bolt
vital tapir
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it works but it’s pretty bad with dc

rustic vale
sonic shell
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oh no

misty jungle
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hey guys isnt orpheus supposed to sing once you've given him nectar?

sonic shell
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welp

rustic vale
misty jungle
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ok but apparantly after hes given nectar he sometimes sings when you get back is that true because it so then its not working

rustic vale
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I don’t remember

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That seems accurate

umbral summit
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I'm pretty sure Orpheus starting to sing again was Eurydice storyline progress, not nectars

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You basically have to cheer him up by telling him that his muse is still out there and doing okay

rustic vale
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Wiki says 1 nectar

rustic vale
twilit lodge
lean timber
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darkness.

lunar moth
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Cuz that's the brightness Omori fans usually have

lunar moth
twilit lodge
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Watching someone stream playing with fo100 and bp8

signal aspen
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imagine watching that

rustic vale
magic fern
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td10

rustic vale
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I sub 0d with td10

magic fern
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dc100

remote iris
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chaos or eurydice

lean timber
brisk trail
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do you only need 2 boons to get a duo boon?

rustic vale
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for most of them

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Some specific ones will want 3

latent moon
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Oh wait was it aeoui

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Someone did it

rustic vale
latent moon
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Also not every core is a prereq

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Lightning phalanx, scintillating feast, ice wine, hunting blades, and a few others require a certain cast

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Sea storm can't be unlocked using tdash

rustic vale
rustic vale
twilit lodge
signal aspen
lean timber
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vrej

raw herald
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vrej

rustic vale
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Sub7-able

pastel monolith
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im not a big fan of arthur

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tiny vermin isnt so bad depending on ur build

hardy spear
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bwave the rat zaggrin

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beavers are cooler anyway

pastel monolith
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poseidan build makes short work of tiny vermin usualy.. also it helps if u have a spare meg to drop on him

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timing is to use it when hes summoning stuff

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i always use one too many megs on my runs and i do t have one left over for dad

umbral summit
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I usually use mine on an annoying miniboss in Asphodel and/or Elysium, Elysium boss, 1-2 on Styx mini-bosses, then Hades

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Sometimes I'll forget one of them and have 2 going into Hades

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Especially if I want a non-miniboss reward in Styx and get the sack early

remote iris
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eury or chaos?

pastel monolith
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i use them on every miniboss but its sometimes a waste because i forget the technique and timing on certain ones

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i ususly buy extra megs from charon wells when i get the chance

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hey are super useful for styx minibosses.. u can basicaly skip the whole fight if u time it right

raw herald
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In speedruns, meg is used in tart miniboss, aspho miniboss, ely miniboss, heroes and dad

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If you get extra use them in styx miniboss

latent moon
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i mean it's still 2 shot after you meg anthony

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not that bad

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what weapon is this

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i'd take the jolt unless you want to have a 50/50 shot at splitting or smair when you get the opportunity

swift inlet
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Idk, I think I'd prefer smair

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You're running hestia anyway so aphrodite attack is preferred

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One call with some jolted on top every so often is eh, I'd rather have many calls without jolted

latent moon
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yeah so it'd be better to take jolted here instead of double strike

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that way you dont open splitting and clog the duo/legendary chance for zeus boons

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splitting is incredibly good tho so that might be wrong lol

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the easy solution would just to get both tho

pastel monolith
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for call i usualy go for doublestrike over jolted but idk if ones that much better than the other , i just like seeing more bolts

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a good doublestrike on zeus call just looks and feels super powerful

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jolted might actualy be the right choice tho

acoustic bolt
rustic vale
latent moon
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jolt probably

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your only source of jolt is call, and idk if you have smair yet or not

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jolt is still probably the right choice still

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i mean arty % isn't that great to begin with, and it's more consistent damage

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you'll be throwing out more specials than calls morel ikely

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oh you just left tart

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yeah def

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not the end of the world if you sell jolt at all

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if you're worried about lernie tax at high heat, you can take tooth

umbral summit
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What does the Perfect Clear label mean? That run didn't feel perfect

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Oh, nevermind

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Must refer to my HP

mint coral
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Yeah

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Full hp

umbral summit
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lol

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Just gave Dionysus a Nectar, and got the message where he says he is relieved he got it because he was going to be low on Nectar for the party he was heading to.

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I then picked the boon that gives me a free Nectar, so I guess he's going to be short anyway

lean timber
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"give me that back"

twilit lodge
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Beo unlocked, gross

magic fern
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is it possible to get athena dd boons while using stubborn defiance

rustic vale
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Yes

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If you lose your sd then you have an open slot where the dd goes in

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And then gain another sd next room

magic fern
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wacky

rustic vale
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If you haven’t lost your sd and pick it up though, no dd for you

magic fern
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ok I will make sure to step in the lava if I ever use sd

rustic vale
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I mean might as well throw your sd if you have less then you’ll recover from sd

magic fern
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so can you just hoard all the athena dds you find while using sd

rustic vale
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the 2 athena dd’s you find yes

magic fern
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cool

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companions are really nice because I can just skip the stupid minibosses

twilit lodge
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TRUR

rustic vale
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Yeah

magic fern
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butterfly ball used to give me nightmares

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oh yeah

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I forgor 💀

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family friendly

rustic vale
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Butterfly ball ez

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Don’t even need a companion for anything

magic fern
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I probably have ptsd from when I started and didn't know the butterfly ball was making the shades

twilit lodge
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My first time ever getting to ely was ended by the ball

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Room full of 483828292 adds

lean timber
umbral summit
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What boon would be the most overpowered if it came at Heroic Level 99? Assume all other boons you find are normal

twilit lodge
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Rush delivery

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Actually Zeus aids

umbral summit
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Yeah, only talking about pommable boons

twilit lodge
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Heroic 99 Zeus aid, then you just need to get smair

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No Hermes boons are

magic fern
twilit lodge
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Possibly down to less than 1% per Pom but not sure

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If 1% is the lowest then it would hit 100% easily

umbral summit
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lmao

vital tapir
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100% damage reduction routed run immediately

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it’s only lvl 46(?) for heroic

umbral summit
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There's boons that increase your damage at low HP, right? I think that'd make Positive Outlook even better as long as you can't get OHKO'd from above the threshold

vital tapir
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idt there are boons like that geriond

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there’s like ares blood frenzy which boosts damage after dd/sd

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true

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🧠

twilit lodge
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Wonder why the dio one scales worse

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Maybe because bronze skin specifies enemy attacks

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And dio is technically anything when your Hp is at the threshold

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So traps

vital tapir
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bronze skin is more swag bc it’s active always

#

different league is just nearby foes right

twilit lodge
#

Damn

#

I shouldn’t have opened that jar

#

Now I won’t get poor as a pauper end screen msg

vital tapir
#

spear throw is 850 units apparently

#

standing jab is 430

umbral summit
#

Darn, Life Affirmation isn't pommable

#

That would have been funny at 99

twilit lodge
#

LA is still funnies if you get it early

#

Hell yeah I killed dad fast enough for a plume level up

umbral summit
#

Wow, this hades fight has several visual bugs

twilit lodge
#

Such as? I’ve only noticed invisible shockwaves, usually the phase 2 start one but sometimes from skulls in p1

rustic vale
umbral summit
#

In phase 1 while he was readying the skull projectile one time, he turned invisible for about a second

twilit lodge
#

Dadskating

latent moon
#

it's always active with SD unless you have touch of styx

lean timber
#

do you have a source for your claim

#

like at all

#

do you have a source for that claim

umbral summit
#

How many hearts do you need on each god for the epilogue?

latent moon
#

it's on the wiki

lean timber
#

you have to max out five gods' affinity gauges i think

umbral summit
#

Gotcha

lean timber
#

i was told five at some point. but it's either five or six. not including hermes or chaos

umbral summit
#

I was thinking you needed all of the pre-ambrosia hearts on all of the olympians, but I guess I've got a bit more to go

lean timber
#

are u sure??

#

yeah but he's not one of the "traditional" ones and the game ignores him for some stuff. but anyway, just try to max as many as you can bouldy

#

why aphro

umbral summit
#

Nice, I've now escaped at least once with every single boon and hammer

latent moon
lean timber
#

oh true

latent moon
#

it just takes a while, but if you've been working on those and are almost done with that compared to the other gods it's not that bad

lean timber
umbral summit
#

I've already got Aphro unlocked, myself

#

Dio, Hermes, and Demeter are at the current gift cap, but still locked

latent moon
#

same thing

umbral summit
#

put 1 Pom on Exclusive Access

#

Put a few poms on Calculated Risk and watch enemy projectiles not move at all

#

Could actually get kind of dangerous

#

Curse of Nausea would have the potential to become incredibly broken

#

Not a duo boon, but level 99 Winter Harvest

#

kills enemies at 100%

latent moon
#

put more poms onto mirage shot

umbral summit
#

or lmao, level up Second Wave

#

Just imagine 6+ pushes

rustic vale
#

Pom hunting blades shadesmile shadesmile shadesmile

umbral summit
#

Pom Defiance

latent moon
#

fully loaded

rustic vale
#

Pom stubborn roots zagluv

twilit lodge
rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

Pom dad call

rustic vale
#

Pom legendary support fire

twilit lodge
#

True

umbral summit
#

Let us pom hammers while you're at it

rustic vale
#

Pom flurry slash

mint coral
rustic vale
#

Pom patty

#

For better % from touch of styx dark

mint coral
#

Hourglass patty

rustic vale
umbral summit
#

pom AB heart of stone

twilit lodge
#

Pom patty got better appearance chance

remote iris
#

hottest olympian god?

rustic vale
#

Bouldy

remote iris
#

how do i change my server name again

rustic vale
#

What are you using

remote iris
#

phone

rustic vale
#

Tap on your own name

#

Then click “Edit Server Profile”

remote iris
#

test

#

icles

twilit lodge
#

Or use /nick

#

@mods

rustic vale
remote iris
#

dio hotter

twilit lodge
#

Debatable

remote iris
#

purple hair (and pronounce)

twilit lodge
#

Not into your adoptive mom ✅

rustic vale
remote iris
#

also better boons

rustic vale
#

Hangover zagluv

twilit lodge
#

Dio only has three boons

#

Drunken strike, strong drink, and dio aid

rustic vale
#

Drunken whatever, curse of nausea, and low tolerance

remote iris
#

after party is good

twilit lodge
#

After party more like just use SD

remote iris
#

if i'm low on health in a place like Styx i'm gonna need DDs for Hades

latent moon
twilit lodge
#

C6 rush delivery bouldy

latent moon
#

Midshop Hermes with plume?

twilit lodge
#

Yup

latent moon
#

That's what we call an epic gamer moment

#

Now don't take off plume lmao

twilit lodge
#

Common lmao

latent moon
#

That's fine

twilit lodge
#

Yeah this is a plume leveling run lol

#

Hmm haste or swind

#

Aiming for hopefully smair

#

Have aphro flourish and Zeus call already

#

Both blue, 30 haste vs 33 haste and dodge

#

Rip went haste and then got smair endshop

#

Dem fists

#

Cuz my zag fists are Unleveled lol

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

L

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

I hate it here

rustic vale
#

Anyways I think you should’ve picked flurry cast

twilit lodge
#

TRUE

#

Actually the boon that offered me haste and swind offered the legendary lol

#

But I already got that for the prophecy

magic fern
#

do I need to keep plume equipped to benefit from the bonus

tepid light
#

Yes

magic fern
#

time to lambent plume elysium

#

I'm sure this will not end in failure

twilit lodge
#

Confidence is good

#

High confidence is better

lean timber
#

i'm confident in this ratio landing

stone sigil
#

Im new to the game played entireity of today, have victoried once

#

This game is insanely good

brisk trail
#

how do ppl get sub 15 in victory boast and it looks so easy but im never able to

rigid olive
#

i have no idea

#

my personal best is something like 22 minutes

rustic vale
brisk trail
#

i have neraly 100 escapes, am i supposed to be good now?

latent moon
#

yes

#

god gamer

#

if you aren't it's fine, everyone goes at their own pace

#

don't compare yourself to others, just play how you want

rustic vale
#

My rate is slow af

#

I only recently sub10’d while I at like 230 escapes now shadegrief

latent moon
#

it do be like that

brisk trail
#

my highest heat is 18 and my fastest is 18 mins

latent moon
#

if you think you're good then youre good

brisk trail
#

my longest streak is 8

brisk trail
latent moon
#

no but does it matter?

#

it's your game

brisk trail
#

damn ok

rustic vale
#

Yeah

#

Why compare yourself to other people when you’re the you you can be

latent moon
#

if you feel like you're good at the game, then you're good
if you think you have room for improvement, then try and improve and get better

rustic vale
#

I had a stupid measurement of goodness list somewhere

brisk trail
#

i see ok

latent moon
#

everyone goes at difference paces, some much faster than others, but there's no baseline for "good" here

rustic vale
latent moon
#

when you first got the game, you probably thought everything was hard and couldn't get through ely boss or hades, but look where you are now

brisk trail
#

also is it ok to just choose the weapon with dark thirst every run since im trying to farm at the same time
im an all rounder i dont have an esp good weapon/aspect

#

i mean i do have more confident ones like gilgamesh but i dont like to use the same for too many times

latent moon
#

following dark thirst is fine yeah

#

nothing wrong with it

brisk trail
#

ok

twilit lodge
#

If you follow dark thirst the hades police will show up and hurt you with mean words!!!

brisk trail
#

lmao ok

rustic vale
#

The Hades police have yet to show up to my house and I did a good solid 23 runs in a row of darkness farming following the dark thirst

twilit lodge
#

They showed up while you weren’t home

twilit lodge
#

@humble river if you’ve cleared with a weapon on 0 heat

#

And you set the heat to anything above 0 heat

#

You won’t be getting darkness, you’ll be getting new bounties (specifically the bounties for 1 heat)

#

If you fail to clear, let’s say you die to the heroes

#

Doing the same weapon again with any heat above 0

#

You would get darkness from the first two bosses

#

And bounties if you finished heroes and dad

#

After this, heat 1 bounties would be done

#

And if you set the heat to anything above 1, see above

humble river
#

Okay, so put another way, a strategy of just clearing Furies on each heat level would not yield more blood. Just darkness after the first kill

twilit lodge
#

Basically you CAN exceed the heat requirement for a weapon any time you feel like it, but you don’t need to and you won’t ever “jump ahead” or skip possible rewards by doing so

#

Right

#

Just like 0 heat furies

#

Once you’ve done every weapon’s 1heat furies, that’s all the blood

humble river
#

That also has the benefit of continuing to keep the focus on escaping and also makes tracking where I've gotten bounties much simpler

twilit lodge
#

Until you get at least one of the weapons to 2 heat

humble river
#

Oh

twilit lodge
#

But only that weapon would be at 2 heat

#

You can see at the middle left side of the screen

#

When you’re picking pacts

#

What bounties you will be eligible for

humble river
#

So still no skipping. Each weapon has its own bounty unlock path that requires an escape to unlock the next

twilit lodge
#

Yes

humble river
#

Seems very fair. Was just trying to plan

twilit lodge
#

You don’t have to play 1 2 3 4 5 … 20 heat in that order

#

But as long as you meet or exceed the requirement

humble river
#

Figuring out how to farm blood to unlock the rest now that I've gotten credits

twilit lodge
#

You will get the bounties for 1 2 3 4 5 … 20

#

In that order

humble river
#

Gotcha

twilit lodge
#

No skipping no missing out

#

And sorry for the ping I just didn’t want to spoiler heat a million times in the new players channel lol

humble river
#

I've seen some good discussions about high heat builds (e.g. 32 heat, etc) but have had trouble parsing for consistent builds to get started on as a newbie.

ATM I am interpreting the advice for Eris Rail is good at high heat to also mean it is a good investment at low heat/skill/experience. Are there better options?

humble river
twilit lodge
#

Eris is a very very good investment for the rail

#

It’s a strong and fast aspect

#

That website has good starting points for every aspect

#

And above the specific aspect sections it has very good all purpose build advice

humble river
#

Love that website. It's been incredible

#

Thank you. I'll keep using that.

twilit lodge
#

Everyone on Reddit is bad at hades so don’t follow their advice

#

Lol

humble river
#

Eris felt weird, but I'll keep practicing it

#

I keep accidentally pushing the retical away

twilit lodge
#

Eris is a lot more comfy with rocket bomb, makes triggering the bonus easier

humble river
#

Okay good to know. I'll keep an eye out for that

twilit lodge
#

Are you on console or pc?

humble river
#

Console (controller)

twilit lodge
#

On switch it’s painful to aim the bombard

humble river
#

I did pick it up on steam but kept playing controller to keep it consistent

twilit lodge
#

I usually just auto-aim shoot it and then dash strike enemies while staying inside where it will land

#

Eris is one of my two sub10 clear weapons

#

It’s got a lot of potential

humble river
#

At this stage of the game (10 escapes, figuring out how to climb heat), is this the proper channel to ask questions or high-heat?

twilit lodge
#

This channel

#

High heat typically means over 32

humble river
#

Ah thank you

twilit lodge
#

Bounty progression stops at 20

sacred walrus
#

Still didn't win vs Charon. hitbos is so huge xD

golden swallow
#

Do you think they'll update the game at some point?

signal aspen
#

no

#

i think theyre done updating the game now

small bough
#

Hades is such milestone game. 200+ escape attempts and I just keep at it. I just want more.

latent moon
#

Let's find a game breaking bug to make them come back and fix it

noble quarry
#

finally beat hades for first time

rustic vale
noble quarry
#

also got some diamonds now and am wondering what upgrade to spend it on

#

was thinking of vanquisher keep and darkness pitch black after

rustic vale
#

I don’t think diamonds gave much use aside work orders iirc

#

I mean trading and resource director also take them

noble quarry
#

vanquisher gives me gems for beating bosses darkness pitch gives +5 health if you pickup key

rustic vale
#

+5 health if you pick up darkness*

#

darkness pitch isn’t huge but it’ll slightly improve your survivability during runs so you can complete more and get more diamonds for the next upgrade is what I’m thinking

noble quarry
#

true

#

any aspect i should look at i only did first clear with chirion bow so wonder which others would be fun (and good) to try

rustic vale
#

Hmm
I like them all
Uh

#

Zeus shield doesn’t really need levels in it if you go zeus^2 and take zeus flourish and more zeus boons

#

Like yeah levels are nice but you can kinda just unlock and use it without leveling it and be pretty fine

#

And you probably don’t have much titans blood at this point so I don’t want to recommend an aspect that needs a few levels in it before it comes into it’s own

noble quarry
#

pickup zeus for shield then

rustic vale
#

Oh zeus shield does definitely have a learning curve to it

noble quarry
#

should pickup 1 for each weapon what should i pickup for gauntlet and gun

rustic vale
#

Demeter and eris

#

Respectively

native blade
rustic vale
#

Hestia does go hard (once levelled) but they also don’t have much blood I presume as they just killed hades for the first time

latent moon
#

Lvl 1 hesty is just sad

rustic vale
#

Oh bruh level 8 epic heartbreak strike for me rn would be 165% lol

#

But this is dio fists and low tolerance has been offered so of course I’m not taking it

#

Aside from the time it’s going perfectly

high island
rustic vale
#

I just felt like doing dio fists

manic bobcat
rustic vale
#

Actually tbh I just didn’t like my zag bow 40 heat seed and didn’t want to throw a run just to reset the seed

latent moon
#

imagine not hard resetting for hammer start

stone sigil
#

How do i kill thr final boss consistently. Its so hard 😦 i have only escaped ince out of 23 attempts

latent moon
#

what weapon did you use the first time

#

or aspect if you have those unlocked

stone sigil
#

It do be busted

latent moon
#

i will say, clearing within 23 attempts is pretty early compared to others lol

stone sigil
latent moon
#

but with shield, you generally ignore the special unless you're playing zeus shield

#

look for charged shot, get a big % modifier on the attack

stone sigil
#

I got a charged shot yeah thats how i won

#

Im trying to get diamonds and blood rn

latent moon
#

if you can't get cshot, bull rush a lot

#

i think

stone sigil
#

Who would u reccomend giving ambrosia first to?

latent moon
#

oh yeah lol

rustic vale
#

Tbh chaos shield is not busted

#

Wait do you mean the aspect or just the shield as a whole

latent moon
rustic vale
#

Aspect of chaos on shield is practically aspectless

#

copy pasta is copy pasta

#

I’m not trying to lead new players the wrong way

#

Tbh

#

That’s valid

latent moon
#

rama moment

rustic vale
#

The chaos shield copy pasta is just

#

Could lead newer players astray

#

This rama one won’t

#

True but I know some people that wouldn’t be able to tell

stone sigil
#

Wait is aspect of chaos not goodm

#

I thought it was supposedly gr8

latent moon
#

not really

#

the special is only good at point blank for like 75 damage + whatever modifier

#

or as a room opener if you have doom on it

#

but after that it's pretty pointless

rustic vale
#

It ain’t great

latent moon
#

esp when zag shield upgraded gives you +15 base damage at max level

rustic vale
#

it’s a shield so it’s good but as an aspect it’s as close to playing aspectless as you can get

latent moon
#

50something probably

#

yeah because ri3 doesn't shaft chaos

#

ri3 kills beo

#

well that's the issue

#

it's slow

#

and dc2 makes it even slower

#

it's probably doable but no one wants to do it

mint coral
#

61 iirc? Modded ofc

latent moon
#

oh lmao

#

angel talked about it iirc

#

she said zag shield is possible iirc?

mint coral
#

Rama too prob

latent moon
#

dc2 moment

#

1 cast moment

mint coral
#

Chiron can do the dad fight at least

latent moon
#

lmfao true

#

i guess

#

well actually

#

that's incredibly risky

#

no sd

#

you'd need a bunch of centaur hearts to back you up

#

exactly

raw herald
#

Route fully loaded

mint coral
#

Sounds about right

#

And ofc add snow burst

latent moon
#

i mean if you route it, it's probably doable with a ton more aspects

#

still difficult but very much more doable

mint coral
#

Flurry + cursed slash zag sword 64

latent moon
#

true

raw herald
#

Didn’t that clear routed high 50s or smth

mint coral
#

Ye

raw herald
#

Actually it’s only 1-4 heat 🤓

#

oh

mint coral
latent moon
#

almost td1 range

native blade
#

td1?

#

Ohhhh

gray apex
#

iirc the manips took a ton of time lol

native blade
#

Bro, I am not getting these acronyms.

#

I’m trying thoz

gray apex
native blade
#

Oooop, can’t access that channel.

noble quarry
sacred walrus
#

That was a a simple but effective story. This game is/was just great, especially when you like Greek mythology. Now i have to finish sides stories ect... Love it

native blade
sacred walrus
#

When you give nectar to characters you are romancing them ? Achille said it more or less (that he loves someone else) and i saw on the net that after a certain amount of ambrosia they ask you to start a romance ? I though it was just a kind thing to do. Pretty obvious Meg and Zag had a relationship before but a bit weird for others.

noble quarry
#

also chiron was level 3

#

for my first clear

sacred walrus
#

After finishing the game " Eurydice have you ever seen Persephone ? How she looked like ? " You litteraly bring her back home like 5 min ago Zagreus xD

native blade
native blade
native blade
noble quarry
#

like i said only beat game with chirion bow yet any advice which weapon (and aspect) i should try next

#

will pick a weapon and aspect i try

gray apex
#

Chiron is pretty good for casual clearing

noble quarry
#

what do you mean?

latent moon
#

he's probably asking what mirror you're using

lean timber
#

the mirror of night... duh...

rustic vale
#

How’s your mirror set up, since there are 2 sides to it

noble quarry
#

and finished second

#

run

noble quarry
#

second clear was with aspect of eris

rustic vale
noble quarry
#

yeah

#

i likely drop favor and put in authority

#

(i just unlocked the final 2)

rustic vale
#

I would grab cthonic vitality > dark regeneration, dark foresight > olympian favour and persuasion > authority

#

Family favourite > priviledged status unless your build is actively going to be using 2 status effects, like hangover builds

noble quarry
mint coral
#

Dark foresight makes so you see darkness way less

#

Also you still have a fountain after the boss anyways

noble quarry
#

eh true

mint coral
noble quarry
#

ok wll chance

rustic vale
noble quarry
#

also i doubt i will put points in it anytime soon butgods pride or legacy

#

yeah have 1 left so can reroll

mint coral
#

First DF ofc

noble quarry
#

ok so what to max out

rustic vale
noble quarry
#

shadow pres and dark reg right

mint coral
noble quarry
#

think prefer pres

#

ok first 2 maxed out

rustic vale
#

Shadow and fiery are both presences bouldy

noble quarry
#

ok next is death defiance should i max or just 2

noble quarry
mint coral
#

What weapon you use mainly btw

rustic vale
#

Both are nice
Fiery is nice because the less hits you have to do against any enemy the better
Shadow is nice for boss damage

noble quarry
mint coral
#

Rail uses fiery mostly, unless hestia (which can choose)

#

Bow can work with both

#

Both can work

#

But yeah fiery is big for the one shots

rustic vale
#

Fiery gud for speeeed

#

I keep forgetting to change to use it though

mint coral
#

What heat you even use dc on hestia

rustic vale
mint coral
#

That feels right yeah

#

Not really, this is general or speed-heat?

noble quarry
#

send you another picture what should i spend points on first

#

it did

#

but i put some stuff in already

rustic vale
#

You can just send the image link

mint coral
#

50% basically shadow presence

noble quarry
#

its quite some damage and it ist that expensive to do

rustic vale
mint coral
#

???

#

Is 50%

latent moon
#

it's 50

rustic vale
noble quarry
#

yup 50

latent moon
#

and there

rustic vale
latent moon
noble quarry
#

done

rustic vale
noble quarry
#

so should i max death defiance?

latent moon
rustic vale
#

I meant before rick updated it

#

boiling is for certain 50%

latent moon
#

yeah

#

tree said 40

rustic vale
#

Tree is wrong

latent moon
#

always

noble quarry
#

really family over privelleged status?

mint coral
#

More consistent bonus over having to fish for the boons

#

You dont always have easy 2 curses

rustic vale
mint coral
#

And is only a 15% loss from ps to fam fav

noble quarry
mint coral
#

On chiron ps is great ye

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Unoess you going crit

rustic vale
noble quarry
#

Ok switch that when i have key

rustic vale
#

Don’t need to switch it

mint coral
latent moon
#

the only ones that dont work are stun and charm

noble quarry
#

Ok so the 3 at bottom left what priorty

mint coral
latent moon
#

theres decay?

mint coral
#

Killing freeze

latent moon
#

ah

latent moon
#

so no point there tbh

#

it'd just make it a free pstatus proc

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Also you can stun enemies?

#

Oh wait fog

#

Yeah

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Is such a nice aspect of dio cast ngl

rustic vale
#

Tinge of erebus

noble quarry
#

done

#

also i dont have those companion keepsakes yet which one should i try to get?

latent moon
#

meg

rustic vale
#

all of them 💪

noble quarry
#

nothing im short

rustic vale
#

Darkness grind shadesmile

noble quarry
#

got pride on 8%

#

now what to do next should i put blood into chirion bow (level 3 now) or unlock another aspect of another weapon and try to clear the game with that

stone sigil
#

Wqit does hades debuff count as 1 of 2 needed?

noble quarry
#

also wanna upgrade eris gun a choices and so few blood

latent moon
latent moon
noble quarry
#

i think i best invest in bow or gun so i can beat game with heat gauge more to get more blood and after upgrading them look at the other weapons if i get stuck but not sure if i should upgrade my level 1 eris gun or my level 3 chirion bow got 4 blood

latent moon
#

do eris imo

noble quarry
#

for a second i thought you said they both sucked

#

ok put blood into eris

#

think focus on that for a bit as for other weapon not having much luck with sword and spear maybe look at shield and gauntlets a bit after maxing eris out

rustic vale
#

And so doesn’t count for priviledged status

vital tapir
#

aka just god statuses

#

besides charm i guess

#

aphro’s main is weak

noble quarry
#

well finished the chirion run first pact run the time limit one is pretty easy

vital tapir
#

dio legendary doesn’t activate pstatus noooo

noble quarry
#

now got some more blood to dumb into eris

rustic vale
vital tapir
#

it checks a flag

#

probably

rustic vale
#

No it doesn’t check a flag

noble quarry
#

those legendary keepsakes (companions) whats the best one to go for?

vital tapir
#

if enemy == hangover & trippy shot, activate legendary = true

rustic vale
#

Meg is unarguably zagluv

#

Ably

noble quarry
#

well got some more runs in eris level 4 now