h1-discussion

[chilly edge]

oh god

[remote iris]

oh gods*

[lean timber]

what do you think the whip is for

[chilly edge]

oh right hahaha

[chilly edge]

i was not thinking because i knew everything

[high island]

Keep it clean in chat, though. No NSFW topics.

[brisk trail]

ok

bro but y are the sounds so un-NSFW

i expected moaning

[void vigil]

keep it clean, please, move to another topic

[devout terrace]

[rustic vale]

It only goes to 4 for fated persuasion

Also 25000 for chaos theme

[brisk trail]

Speaking of meg

She doesn't come to zag's room to give me the favour, and i don't get the chance to ask nyx about Orpheus/boulder guy either.

It's just rng?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[old dawn]

vanity badges be like "you're done? no"

[brisk trail]

Damn that sucks

Oh well.

[rustic vale]

Resource director

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720741456599580745/1031999092513058857/IMG_3101.jpg

[rustic vale]

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720741456599580745/1031999992560353331/IMG_3103.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720741456599580745/1031999992786849942/IMG_3104.jpg

[brisk trail]

Is there a downside to suicide runs?

Each clear takes me around 20 minutes and i wanna do the story stuff already.
It's pretty silly it's rng based so i think I'll just do suicide runs

[rustic vale]

Escape to fail rate is worse
Otherwise maybe new hypnos dialogue depending on what you suicide to

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720741456599580745/1031999993055301662/IMG_3105.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720741456599580745/1031999993298559047/IMG_3106.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720741456599580745/1031999993537642578/IMG_3107.jpg

[void vigil]

@native blade please post fanarts in #fan-works, and please link to the artist in your message!

[native blade]

Kk.

[void vigil]

that first one has a signature, but that comic (now deleted it seems?) is by bunnyclvb

[dull niche]

their art is so nice! i follow them on Twitter lmao

[acoustic bolt]

is demeter worth taking into elysium on hera just to look for ravenous will? i have aphro cast/poseidon dash/zeus/snow burst and no duos yet

or should i just take hourglass

[rustic vale]

Prob hourglass tbh but idk

[high island]

Hourglass.

[rustic vale]

I’m always right

[acoustic bolt]

oh cool adhd didn't mess me up thi stime

purple wave pounding or purple breaking wave?

[high island]

No, that's me. You're usually wrong.

Breaking Wave.

[acoustic bolt]

oh i also hvae purple reflex if that matters

[rustic vale]

[swift inlet]

Wave pounding isn't that useful if you're not getting tons of damage from the dash

[rustic vale]

Bwave

[swift inlet]

Which is why it's very nice for beowulf

[rustic vale]

bwave has aoe

[swift inlet]

And breaking wave = ez styx which hera isn't as good at as beo

[acoustic bolt]

oh man ok

[umbral summit]

Does wall slam damage depend on the strength of the hit knocking them back?

[acoustic bolt]

purple killing freeze or last reroll to find ravenous will?

killing freeze will go off a lot with snow burst but if i find ravenous will that's way stronger

[twilit lodge]

Per the wiki yes

It doesn’t affect breaking wave splash though

[acoustic bolt]

i'm in c31 at 06:43 so i'm going to wait for an answer cause i don't want to mess this one up XD

[rustic vale]

And biome

[rustic vale]

That’s because breaking wave is different from wall slam damage

[rustic vale]

And wether or not you have typhoons fury

[umbral summit]

Yeah, I guessed that different walls had different modifiers, but wasn't sure if that was the only factor (outside of boons)

[latent moon]

I haven't been following what weapon and build?

[acoustic bolt]

hera crush

[latent moon]

What were your hermes

[rustic vale]

Biome
Knockback strength
Typhoons fury
I think that is it

[acoustic bolt]

quick reload and purple reflex

[latent moon]

I'd reroll

[acoustic bolt]

i do have 67% cast damage from chaos if that matters

[rustic vale]

Purple Killing freeze

[acoustic bolt]

rerolled into purple ravenous will!

got'em

[twilit lodge]

Killing freeze sounds better because you don’t always fire all at once with hera

[umbral summit]

Do minibosses have a couple specific chamber numbers that they are able to pop in, or can they be in any chamber number that they aren't banned from?

[rustic vale]

Killing freeze is omega gaming

Especially with rarity

So purple killing freeze with good chill inflict would’ve been a instapick for me

[twilit lodge]

especially with quick reload i would lean more into snurst and therefore killing freeze

[latent moon]

Based

[acoustic bolt]

nooooooooo died to champs

i take a lot of damage on hera lol

[rustic vale]

That’s your fault because you didn’t take killing freeze

[acoustic bolt]

how would killing freeze have had me enter with more than 50 health

[umbral summit]

If they're killed and frozen, they can't do 50 health of damage

[rustic vale]

It would’ve helped you more

so you would’ve left with more than 0

[acoustic bolt]

maybe it is a mystery

[rustic vale]

True

[acoustic bolt]

ok best speedrun sword

zag?

[rustic vale]

Likely nem but I’m biased towards zag

[acoustic bolt]

zag start with splash dash?

[rustic vale]

Sorry not likely nem

Just nem

Nem but I’m biased towards zag

[acoustic bolt]

nem is arty start?

[rustic vale]

Or ares start

Or aphrodite start

Or splash dash start

I think?

[acoustic bolt]

one is fastest

[rustic vale]

🙏 Nyaanyaa don’t tell me I’m wrong

Which one is fastest is rng dependent

If you don’t hit ME doom start is likely going to be less fast than anything else

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958001617477697586.gif?size=48

[rustic vale]

Idk

I’m only ever correct

[high island]

Are you just gonna list every possible start so that hopefully one is correct?

[rustic vale]

True! Obviously nem has a hoarding slash start as an option as sell

Or maybe even like bouldy c1 start

[umbral summit]

I wonder what's the coin cap

[rustic vale]

You can take nem sword any which way and still have it pretty ok so idk

[umbral summit]

With Hoarding Slash, could you farm enough coins from the exalted in the butterfly miniboss to oneshot each of Hades's phases?

[rustic vale]

you can’t farm coins off of the exalted though?

[twilit lodge]

You can’t really farm those lol

[umbral summit]

They don't drop coins in that fight?

[rustic vale]

I don’t think they ever drop obols

[twilit lodge]

They’ll overrun you plus I don’t think they drop coins

[umbral summit]

Oh huh, never noticed

[high island]

I would say Poseidon Aspect is easier if you're just learning to be speedy with sword. Much safer.

[twilit lodge]

Plus hoarding slash is ||basedweak||

[umbral summit]

Of course, it'd just be for meme build if there's some way to infinite farm coins

[rustic vale]

You cannot infinite farm coins I believe

But you can get stupid high amounts of obols

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/riffraff-making-money-bursting-cash-rich-gif-14984826

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1032088923771514890/unknown.png

[twilit lodge]

Simply place the obols in the paper feed of the copier

[rustic vale]

I don’t want to talk about the clear time though

[old dawn]

was the damage big tho

[twilit lodge]

So big

[old dawn]

all that matters is seeing number go up

[rustic vale]

5% of 2680 is 134

Dedge applies that twice

+3 dashes

So 5 consecutive dashes

is ok damage

[umbral summit]

I wonder what the theoretical maximum with the absolute perfect seed would be. I assume it'd be to use Golden Touch, then frontload the highest priced boons to sell and Charon fight, then get Hoarding Slash at the last opportunity

[rustic vale]

no it’s probably c1 oceans bounty, lots of obol % from chaos, charon bag, side hustle, you want hoarding slash in tart because you’re selling most other boons aside from side hustle and oceans bounty, maybe duo hunt to sell duos

Golden touch

Take bouldy as well

[rustic vale]

If you don’t get hoarding slash in tart you’ll have an annoying painful run

[umbral summit]

If you get Hoarding Slash later you can put a money-making boon earlier to get bigger Golden Touch stacks, though

Doesn't matter if it's painful, it's for maximum obol at the end

[rustic vale]

Treasure troves galore

[umbral summit]

I suppose that's true, if you get Hoarding Slash earlier you can get more money from troves

[rustic vale]

The only affect hoarding slash will have on treasure trove rewards is how fast you kill things… so yeah

more rewards

[twilit lodge]

I would simply get c1 oceans bounty c2 hoarding slash c3 chaos obol boon

[umbral summit]

Jerk

something like 6 charon pools and not a single defiance restore

[twilit lodge]

Simply don’t use up defiances

[rustic vale]

Facts

@lean timber I got a c34 than room earlier

You needed to know

You can thank me later

[umbral summit]

Is there a way to tell how many uses you have of your companion left?

I'm not sure if I've used 4 or 5 this run

[dusky solar]

i ngl thought you could only use it once damn thats kinda crazy

[rustic vale]

Yes

They should have a little circle with a number on it if you have uses left

[umbral summit]

lol, 7th pool with no defiance restore

[rustic vale]

Just like god keepsakes

[umbral summit]

Jesus, why do Hades summoned archers fire 8 shots in a row

I'm not sure I've ever seen them here before

[twilit lodge]

Archers are worst

[swift inlet]

Wrong

What's worse is voidstones on a speedrun

[twilit lodge]

True

[brisk trail]

"Conversations with Megaera (who needs to be at 5 hearts) and Hades about Sisyphus' situation"

For Sisyphus, is this really required? Both of them? I already got the dialogue from Hades saying he pretty much Doesn't care

[twilit lodge]

Then you need the Meg one presumably

Then a nyx one I think

[umbral summit]

Does Swift Strike affect charging like Bull Rush or the spear spin slash?

[brisk trail]

Hm ok

[twilit lodge]

Only the attack animation before the charge for shield I think

[umbral summit]

Okay, thanks

[twilit lodge]

If you just play the game rather than speed die it’ll probably work better

[brisk trail]

I also just learned i need the muse and Orpheus both at 5 for the quest and i missed so many opportunities to give them nectar 🤦‍♂️

[twilit lodge]

Rip

[brisk trail]

Was now how i get no story chambers in asphodel 50 runs in a row🤡

[brisk trail]

Yeah I'm not speed dying, don't wanna break my Streak

[twilit lodge]

Literally do not believe that you didn’t get story chamber in asphodel for 50 runs

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[brisk trail]

Nah i mean, now that i actually need it to give her nectar

[twilit lodge]

Icic

[umbral summit]

I wish you could experiment with whatever boons/reforges you want in the skelly chamber

[twilit lodge]

You can with mods

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1032348050120769636/unknown.png?width=1246&height=701

[twilit lodge]

What is deus ex machina

[brisk trail]

God mod

[brisk trail]

Aspect of Arthur, with the special that inflicts weak, and the hammer that make it strike twice, is very very good👌

[latent moon]

upgrading the companion increases how many times you can use it, maxes at 5

which is pretty neat so you can use it on tart miniboss, aspho miniboss, ely miniboss, heroes, and dad

if you get an extra one you can slap styx miniboss

[twilit lodge]

Nah nah you use it on tart miniboss, aspho miniboss, ely miniboss, heroes, Styx miniboss, then get mad at yourself when you don’t have it left for dad

Get mad at the game actually

[latent moon]

that's what you should do for high heat speedrunning because styx miniboss has 2 big bois

[crystal star]

Why cant i give thanatos nectar

[latent moon]

so hitting both of those is gonna give you a better time than just dad

[latent moon]

might've maxed him out for nectar

if not then he's probably busy doing something else

[crystal star]

I just started seeing him

Btw whats the best companion

[latent moon]

meg

[crystal star]

Ok

[brisk trail]

Ok how tf do you fish💀

[crystal star]

Theres fishing spots in every area

[brisk trail]

I pull it the moment i 'feel' a pull and it still says too early

Sometimes it's to early sometimes it doesn't

[crystal star]

Yeah ive gotten fishing spots in styx but i cant catch any

[latent moon]

there's a "ding" sound

and the bobbing thing sinks under for longer

[brisk trail]

Same

[brisk trail]

Hm ok.. I'll try and listen for it next time

[latent moon]

actually not sure if it's a ding

but there is a sound

[twilit lodge]

There’s a flash when it’s an actual bite

[latent moon]

when the fish is ready?

[umbral summit]

My strat is to cover up the bobber with my finger, then focus my eyes on the area above it. When you see a flash of light there, you know to hit the button

[latent moon]

i know it's a ding to indicate there's one in the room

[umbral summit]

If it bobs 3 times without a fish biting, it's going to bite on the next movement

[twilit lodge]

Don’t play with your eyes closed then smh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1022405733851078696/2022092202113001-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4

Do u see it now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929151169144692746/1032359242428055613/IMG_3596.jpg

Let me zoom in more

[lean timber]

i choose to believe that is not real

[twilit lodge]

Maybe then you can see it

[twilit lodge]

Modded gameplay?

[lean timber]

modded gaming

[umbral summit]

I like to cover up the bobber with my finger and focus my eyes above it and look solely for the shine

Prevents me from jumping the gun on bobs

I get the perfect catch maybe like 80% of the time like that

[twilit lodge]

and bob’s your uncle

[lean timber]

just listen for the audio

your brain reacts to audio first

[umbral summit]

Yeah, just closing your eyes entirely and waiting for the sound also works

[twilit lodge]

But light travels faster, human brain backwards confirmed

Poor design

Upgrade your eye firmware smh idk

[brisk trail]

Ok so

I just had a conversation with nyx asking her "hypothetically, do i have some of father authority to pardon" and she said yes that i now have the administration chamber. now i need a different conversation?

[twilit lodge]

That was the first nyx conversation the wiki mentioned

Now you’re eligible for her to tell you where to find the contract for any of the pardons

Sissy, orphy, achilly

Once you have the prereqs for those she will tell you where to look

I think Achilles requires the other two to be done first but not entirely sure. He was the last for me

[brisk trail]

Hmm ic

Thx bud

[crystal star]

Babandhdhd

Sorry

[terse geyser]

the "vintage nectar" and "premium vintage" perks both imply that zagreus samples every bottle

[twilit lodge]

Zagreus confirmed drunk on the job

Mfw rush kick doesn’t work for dash upper

My dreams of explosive upper dash kicking are dead

[high island]

Rush Kick changes your Dash-Upper, but Explosive Upper takes priority if you have it too.

[twilit lodge]

Me when I can’t explosively uppercut the enemy with my foot

[native blade]

Facts.

Trash game, -10/10

[twilit lodge]

Two aether nets and splitting bolt Zeus aid is a good way to get through Styx tunnels with no damage

Only requires a legendary and two well items

Ez

Oh but only the boss rooms count for butterfly lmao rip

[native blade]

Ye, same for plume.

[brisk trail]

The hidden aspect of spear sucks lol

[twilit lodge]

I hear it’s great

I’m gonna have to use it next time it’s spear turn

[brisk trail]

I'm at the styars already and only have 102 hp

With Cerberus's keepsake.
Although it's not upgrade so probably could've had more

[twilit lodge]

FINALLY TROUT GANG

[remote iris]

did you upgrade it

upgrade it

guan doesn't seem worth using unless it's maxed tbh

[rustic vale]

When light and sound go brr tap

If you tap within a certain short time frame you get a perfect catch

[brisk trail]

It removes less HP if i upgrade it?

[rustic vale]

Normal catchs have 50% chance of common fish and 50% of rare
Perfect catches has 50% chance of rare and 50% chance of legendary

[rustic vale]

Up to 50% instead of -70%

[native blade]

Where’s the pin with the build suggestion again?

[brisk trail]

Oh ok that's much better

[oak apex]

ok just attempted 32 heat for the first time

jumped from 20

[brisk trail]

Something i wish was different in the game-
Don't make the call god gauge reset between satyr chambers 💀

[oak apex]

i did pretty well got basically to em4 third healthbar then died

[rustic vale]

Just like me fr fr

[oak apex]

?

did you also recently

[rustic vale]

I went from 20 to 32

Oh not recently

[oak apex]

oh ok

[rustic vale]

just the going from 20 to 32 with nothing inbetween

[oak apex]

yeah i mean theres not really a reason not to

it was very similar to 20 just a little harder

[rustic vale]

same with 64 heat

[oak apex]

really?

[rustic vale]

It’s just like 32 just a little harder

[oak apex]

im not gonna do that lol

[rustic vale]

[oak apex]

doubt

[rustic vale]

Only a really small amount harder really

[oak apex]

a bit ago i saw someone run w like no healing? that was really weird

[rustic vale]

lc4?

[oak apex]

idk it was the condition that hurts healing

i dont know their names

[rustic vale]

That’s lc4

[oak apex]

ya

[rustic vale]

Yeah you just use stubborn defiance

and play well

and are fine

[oak apex]

ohh yeah stubborn

[rustic vale]

It’s practically free unless you’re like me and have a massive skill issue

still haven’t sub 10ed

[oak apex]

i wouldnt call it a massive skill issue to not be incredibly good at the video game hades

[rustic vale]

I would

Because I feel like I have a massive skill issue

[twilit lodge]

Massive skill issue to not call it a massive skill issue to not have a massive skill issue at playing hades

I have a massive skill issue — my skill is too massive 😎

[umbral summit]

Extreme Measures Thesius is really silly

Just did him for the first time

[swift inlet]

Why are you worried about sub 10 with lc4 heat if you don't have a normal sub 10

[swift inlet]

If you think em3 is wild wait until em4

Dad gets aspect of hades + Achilles + massive spin + quick spin

[brisk trail]

I keep dying and the dialogue won't trigger 🤡

[swift inlet]

It's a fun and relatively easy fight until you start stacking other heat on top of it

[swift inlet]

What dialogue-

[rustic vale]

I was never worrying about sub10 at lc4 heat

[brisk trail]

I need the dialogue from nyx about the administration chamber (Sisyphus) and from Achilles about the fallen warrior

Also need meg to appear in zag's room

But it's not happening because it's all rng based which is dumb🤡

[umbral summit]

Just ask her to meet you in your room

[swift inlet]

Did you max meg yet

[brisk trail]

I can't

She doesn't give me the favour, cuz she's not appearing in the room

I can't get Sisyphus's contract either since nyx won't give the dialogue of where it is

[umbral summit]

I assume you've gotten through a lot of their normal dialogue?

[twilit lodge]

You’ve talked to bouldy before right?

[umbral summit]

I don't think you can get Sisyphus's contract until he's talked to you about a half dozen subjects first

[swift inlet]

Yeah

[twilit lodge]

Yeah sissy takes a lot of dialogue

About the furies

[swift inlet]

I think than also needs to show up at him

[brisk trail]

Yep

[brisk trail]

And yep

[twilit lodge]

This is why focusing on any particular relationship is asking for a headache

[brisk trail]

I already got the first part of the conversation from nyx asking her about it, now i need the second part

[swift inlet]

Yeah just talk to people as they show up

[twilit lodge]

Because there’s no real way to rush any of them other than making sure you filll hearts

[brisk trail]

And meg isn't coming at all

[swift inlet]

You should always take story rooms anyway to prepare yourself for speedrunning 🧠

[brisk trail]

I don't even know what i need from Achilles, he's maxed and the other guy is almost

[swift inlet]

Zag needs to work on his stamina 😔

[twilit lodge]

Met shows up a lot when you do em1 I feel

Meg

[brisk trail]

Oh i did, multiple times

I just did like 15 full runs

[swift inlet]

Pretty sure you need to do the other ones (eury/sis) first

[twilit lodge]

I think so too, he was the last for me

[brisk trail]

I heard people say that but how can i be sure?

[swift inlet]

Probably in order of biome too

[umbral summit]

What's the most recent non-filler conversation you've gotten with Sisyphus?

[swift inlet]

Wiki

[brisk trail]

Me saying I'll look for a way to help him

[swift inlet]

It details all the side quests for particular characters

[brisk trail]

As i said i already got the first part of the convo about Sisyphus

[umbral summit]

Yeah, you've still got a bunch more conversations to ge through

[brisk trail]

Now i need nyx to tell me where to contract is

[umbral summit]

Them asking you to help them isn't the point at which you can get the contract

[swift inlet]

Oh

[umbral summit]

You still need more conversations and topics

[swift inlet]

I think it's like

You have to go to Nyx to ask for her help, and she only does it if Meg or Than have high hearts

[latent moon]

The solution to all your problems is gonna be "do another run"

[swift inlet]

Yeah

[latent moon]

Something not working? Do a run

[swift inlet]

It's a roguelite lmao

[latent moon]

Need dialogue? Do a run

[swift inlet]

Times not low enough? Do a run

[brisk trail]

I did tho i just did 15 and no dialogue

[swift inlet]

Heat not high enough? Do a run

[latent moon]

Then do more

[swift inlet]

Meg won't step on you? Do a run

[latent moon]

You'll get everything eventually

[twilit lodge]

Always take sissy room

[latent moon]

I got it all without looking up anything on the wiki lol

[twilit lodge]

Same

[umbral summit]

I got Thanatos to literal max before Meg showed up in my room despite interacting with both as often as possible

[twilit lodge]

Only thing I would have ever looked up was Hermes favor

[latent moon]

I also joined the discord well after I finished everything lmao

[umbral summit]

It's a lot of luck, with a spattering of some characters needing a LOT of conversations

[twilit lodge]

But someone here said what it is before I ended up looking it up

[latent moon]

Just do more runs

[brisk trail]

Yeah you don't need them both tho

Than has low hearts cuz i not always see him

[swift inlet]

Yes you do

For... other reasons

[brisk trail]

Even for the other reasons, non of them are here lmao

[umbral summit]

Meg does talk about Thanatos on occasion

I would not be surprised if you needed at least middling progress with Than to progress Meg that far

[brisk trail]

Oh than is not low as i thought, 5 hearts

[twilit lodge]

Just discussing work related business, Zag

• Meg and than talking after I got laid

[brisk trail]

Can nyx ran out of dialogue?

"let us communicate again some other time"

[twilit lodge]

Everyone can

[umbral summit]

I mean...

It's a limited size game

[twilit lodge]

But not this early probably

[brisk trail]

How can she run out of dialogue without telling me what i need to know 😭😭

[brisk trail]

?

[twilit lodge]

Sometimes rng just doesn’t give npcs a new dialogue

But also she may not have anything to talk about since you may still need to talk to sissy more for his story

[brisk trail]

I dunno man.. Sisy didn't have new dialogue last we talked, and i followed the wiki, the dialogue pool's supposed to have her tell me about his Contact

[twilit lodge]

Have you been inside the admin chamber ever?

[brisk trail]

I have

[latent moon]

You'll get it eventually

Not like it's locked away forever

[brisk trail]

Do i need to do the nyx quest first? I dunno man honestly

[twilit lodge]

You’ll never get it muahahaha

I have cursed your save file

[umbral summit]

Are you sure Sisyphus didn't have new dialogue? Sometimes the new dialogue is very mundane, with stuff like "It's good to see you your highness" being vague, but still necessary to get through

[brisk trail]

He does say that yes

[umbral summit]

It doesn't seem necessary, but there are lots of instances of that kind of dialogue that are short and uninteresting, but still essential to get through

I went through a long string of boring conversations with him before he started to talk about stuff like Promethius

[brisk trail]

Do i need to do the nyx quest first? I honest don't know, i can keep just doing runs but it does feel like I'm getting nowhere, if the story Won't progress

[umbral summit]

It will eventually progress, especially as you keep farming more nectar and giving to more people

And talking, talking, talking

[vital tapir]

there’s probs a video of the dialogue if that’s the only part you care about

[brisk trail]

I have 3 gods at favor level, hades is maxed, nyx at favor.
Achilles, Sisyphus, are also at favor
The muse, Orpheus, and the fallen warrior are not but close

[twilit lodge]

When the npcs stop having new things to talk about it’s a sad day

[twilit lodge]

Sexy eeyore has a name

And it’s sexy eeyore

[umbral summit]

Well, that was dicey

Using Guan Yu so my HP is junk, and I got 2 archers + the shielding enemy

Used my Zeus call to try to take them out, but it brought Hades to the next phase where he called more before it killed all of them

[brisk trail]

Uhh my game is possibly bugged? I upgraded the aspect of Arthur to max level but my hp stayed 150

Shouldn't it be more?
It was 150 when it was at level 1

[umbral summit]

upgrading it enhances the aura damage reduction

not the HP

[brisk trail]

Ooh nvm😅

Was looking at the wrong thing, thx bud

I'll just keep doing runs ig and give nectar to whoever i csn

[umbral summit]

Jerk

Rerolled Hermes, got exactly the same boons again

Rerolled again, got 2 of the same boons

[twilit lodge]

Me every time I try to get rush delivery

[umbral summit]

Well, at least Eurydice upgraded the Swift Strike I ended up picking to rare

[high island]

Rerolling will always give at least 1 new boon.

[umbral summit]

I must have mixed up 2 similar ones, then

Since they got reordered

[high island]

Happens easily, yeah.

Quick Recovery and Quick Reload sound similar enough to mix them up, for example.

[crystal star]

Is fiery presence or shadow presence better

[latent moon]

most of the time fiery

[crystal star]

Ok

[umbral summit]

I wish reflecting Hades's skull projectiles made the skull bombs be on your side too

Been looking for Asterius to get him to comment on my Guan Yu for the last 4 runs, and no luck so far 😦

[latent moon]

he doesnt' comment on guan yu

[umbral summit]

Er, not Guan Yu

Comment on me not unlocking Gilgamesh yet despite him having given the hint

[twilit lodge]

Weird pos sword pool

Athena Zeus Demeter dio in tart

How do I not open bad duos rip

[twilit lodge]

The comment isn’t for not unlocking it’s for not saying the phrase yet

[umbral summit]

I meant unlocking for the menu

[twilit lodge]

So if you looked at malphon and Gilgamesh was revealed

[vital tapir]

isn’t lightning phalanx ideal for pos

[umbral summit]

Not unlocking with blood

[twilit lodge]

Then he won’t remind you

[twilit lodge]

It is, but if I take ddash before I get it I’m opening smelly Athena dio

And if I take any dem cores I’m unlocking smelly stubborn roots

Fortunately dem gave me snurst and killing freeze so far

[rustic vale]

37 enemy than room with js0 and no chaos curses wtf

[twilit lodge]

Least populated Elysium room

[umbral summit]

Just checked out the wiki article for Thesius, and I'm not sure I've ever seen what they call the Charge and Shield Bash attacks

Maybe it's because I always keep Asterion far away from him until he dies

[twilit lodge]

That’s the tag team I think

Once it’s unlocked it doesn’t matter how far they are, when they decide to do it asterius charges to Theseus

[umbral summit]

Huh.

I don't recall any team attacks from them

[twilit lodge]

You unlock it after fighting them enough times and getting a certain conversation

[umbral summit]

I see

[rustic vale]

You won’t have had their storyline finished yet

[twilit lodge]

Kind of like how Lernie becomes lernie

[umbral summit]

No, he's mostly devolved into single box insults by now

Though I recently started doing the harder version of the boss fight to get new text

[twilit lodge]

Try to fight asterius miniboss more

You get some dialogues there talking smack on Theseus

[umbral summit]

I don't get him very often 😦

I get the butterfly ball like 80% of the time when I get an Elysium miniboss

[twilit lodge]

Try taking the first miniboss you see in ely

In my experience if you see multiples the later one is usually ball

But I could just be huffing copium and it’s entirely random

[umbral summit]

I usually do, but they're often just bigger normal rooms with lots of armored exalted

[twilit lodge]

Those have a slightly different icon than minis

[acoustic bolt]

https://imgur.com/a/5eGwFNQ

[umbral summit]

I've not noticed anything other than the skull icon

In terms of differentiating rooms

[acoustic bolt]

@high island @lean timber
What is your take on this paragraph? I didn't know Athena cast was the meta now for Hera.

[latent moon]

i didn't think it was

[acoustic bolt]

it's from speedrun.com/hades

[twilit lodge]

That sounds hella outdated

[acoustic bolt]

ah maybe it is

[latent moon]

it says crush shot is outdated lmao

[lean timber]

the athena cast stuff is kind of a fringe strat, but this is all wrong lol

[twilit lodge]

That’s the irony

[acoustic bolt]

this is what threw me off

[latent moon]

yeah that's weird

[acoustic bolt]

the entire paragraph is wrong?

[twilit lodge]

Somewhere in the pins here is an infographic of room icons

[latent moon]

phalanx shot is funky because if you miss your cast is just gone lmao

[lean timber]

well no it's not all wrong

it's all technically true

[acoustic bolt]

on Hera?

[lean timber]

but crush shot is just so

much better

unaruably

[latent moon]

and in general

[twilit lodge]

In general

[lean timber]

and athena cast does work, but yeah, crush shot is preferred

[twilit lodge]

Me playing lightning phalanx vs hydra

[acoustic bolt]

aren't all casts gone on hera if you miss

[twilit lodge]

As all my casts ricochet off into the lava

[lean timber]

no crush shot stays in place

[latent moon]

if you nail every shot with athena cast and it never goes across the map then it's probably technically better but crush shot is more consistent

[twilit lodge]

But behind foreground sprites

[lean timber]

it's extremely good for that reason

[latent moon]

phalanx shot goes flying lmao

crush shot drops where you shoot basically

[acoustic bolt]

oh it goes past where the arrow would go?

[latent moon]

well

i guess that's a way to word it yeah

[lean timber]

they all do except crush shot

that's what makes it good

part of it anyway

[latent moon]

along with fat damage

[acoustic bolt]

it's a whole hell of a lot clearer than what you're saying XD

is there a consolidated actually written out guide that's up to date then?

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/5km0y

[lean timber]

not on src

[latent moon]

isnt there that scuffed hera guide by croven and cgull

[lean timber]

yeh lol

[latent moon]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[acoustic bolt]

is everythin on src out of date or only the hera stuff?

[lean timber]

idk i only know hera/rama

[remote iris]

does a maim kill count for draining cutter

[lean timber]

that guide is not fantastic btw

[lean timber]

i don't think so

[remote iris]

saddest day of my life

[acoustic bolt]

which

[twilit lodge]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[lean timber]

scuffed hera guide w/ cgull

it's a lot of outdated information

good place to start tho!

[twilit lodge]

Single skull room can be than or it can just be more armored enemies than usual

Skull with one red bar is minis

Pretty sure miniboss rooms always have boons as the reward which is a tip-off

Styx excluded

[latent moon]

than is a random chance

it can happen to any room

[lean timber]

difficult encounters always have blue lauren currency as the reward

btw

[twilit lodge]

Me when I can’t predict than

Blue Lauren

Who she

[lean timber]

me when tart than

[latent moon]

elite rooms are blue laurels with skull, miniboss is gold laurel with skull

[lean timber]

they're CALLED DIFFICULT ENCOUNTERS

kills you

[latent moon]

you're a difficult encounter

[lean timber]

literally.

[high island]

That's very outdated and I did not agree with it at the time either.

[twilit lodge]

Bring back phalanx shot frontstab

[rustic vale]

The meta for hera is true shot splash dash

[acoustic bolt]

it seems like there aren't updated sources for everything. i need to shave 30 seconds off of everything XD

[twilit lodge]

The google dogs one is current

Googledogs

[lean timber]

it still works it's just not good

[acoustic bolt]

matty said nah

what does that even mean my dude

[lean timber]

it's a good starting point but it certainly is "scuffed"

[acoustic bolt]

so where can one find the rest of the information lol

[twilit lodge]

Yeah real ones run trippy flare hera

[lean timber]

no

[twilit lodge]

Stygian electric shot hera

[lean timber]

true...

[high island]

Croven and cgull's guide is fine.

[remote iris]

i love the unseen call dialogue

"become unseen!" "become unseen again!" "all right i heard you boy"

[acoustic bolt]

so there isn't more info somewhere?

i was also asking for all weapons

[twilit lodge]

You can’t use dad call during dad’s bubbles which i find neat and sensible

And yeah he banters with you when you use it

[twilit lodge]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[acoustic bolt]

omg

i'm sorry nevermind

[twilit lodge]

[acoustic bolt]

it's my fault for thinking there was some more info to know for speedrunning but it's all the same crap

[twilit lodge]

I guess watch speed runners

There is also a speedrun discord

[umbral summit]

Can you use Hades's call during one of the Tartarus time limit rooms?

Or during a trove

[twilit lodge]

Don’t see why not but not sure

You can use it while fighting him even

[high island]

Just look at top runs on the leaderboard to get an idea for each aspect. Victory screen and keepsakes for each region. If you don't understand a decision, don't hesitate to just ask the person. Experiment a lot and don't get complacent about your own ideas.

[latent moon]

use your own funky builds and get a sub10 anyways lol

[acoustic bolt]

What do you mean complacent about my own ideas?

[acoustic bolt]

you're a funky build

[latent moon]

so true buddy

[twilit lodge]

Don’t assume that the way you think has worked the best is the best way

[acoustic bolt]

oh ok

[twilit lodge]

Don’t let that stop you from trying new things that might work better

[rustic vale]

Use random crap

It makes you bette

[vital tapir]

good resources are in the speedrun discord

[high island]

Not random lol. You should have some hypothesis that you're testing.

[latent moon]

freezing vortex beo heck yeah buddy

[high island]

Some kind of plan for the build that you're trying out.

[acoustic bolt]

there is probably SOME merit to just making completely radnom combos just for data points

but yeah XD

i get it

[umbral summit]

I'm currently planning no further than "I think I'll try to focus on normal attacks this run" 😄

Or special attacks, or whatever I'm in the mood for

[high island]

Well, we all start somewhere.

[umbral summit]

Currently on 8 heat and still maxing out my accessories

[high island]

Experimenting with tools like that is good to get an idea for how to use them effectively.

[umbral summit]

It's also neat when you accidentally stumble into an effective build

Still less effective than an actual planned out focused build, but better than the usual hodgepodge build

[high island]

When you're very new, you just have to try stuff because you have no idea what it actually does.

I think for new players, just picking boons and hammer upgrades they haven't used yet is always a good idea. Unless like... somebody is guiding you through a run.

[umbral summit]

I'm some 53 runs or so in and still picking up the occasional boon i've never seen before

[rustic vale]

Hypothesis
Blizzard shot + arctic blast + mirage shot is cracked
Answer
Yes

[high island]

Yeah, the game has a lot of boons and even more boon combos.

[native blade]

LEZZZZZ GOOOOO

10% cast bonus on Bouldy.

[high island]

The shards don't apply chill.

[rustic vale]

Uhhhhh

blizzard shot + mirage shot cracked

[vital tapir]

mirage + crystal clarity + arctic blast

[rustic vale]

-arctic blast itmd irrelevant

[high island]

[dull niche]

oh no discussion abt the scuffed guide

[rustic vale]

On my idea

[twilit lodge]

Mirage clarity glare

[acoustic bolt]

need glare

[dull niche]

another reminder to update it that I will table for another month

[twilit lodge]

Stygian

[lean timber]

lol

i think it needs it unless the community has failed me once again

[high island]

It's good enough as it is tbh.

[dull niche]

it’s like a fine guide still, it’s outdated a little but like

following it will not lead u astray I guess

u won’t be in tune with the tip top of the current meta but not everyone wants or needs to be

[high island]

What's outdated matters for like the couple of players who don't need the guide anymore to begin with.

[lean timber]

true, true. i agree with your statement.

[twilit lodge]

I followed your guide and got fired from my job

[dull niche]

gg

[twilit lodge]

I’m suing for loss of income

[high island]

Speedrun to hell. Guide working as intended.

[dull niche]

i do still think i should update it because most other weps at the very least have up to date docs centralizing the info we know

[high island]

You must have not read the fine print.

[dull niche]

and hera doesn’t rly have that for higher end speedrunning

[high island]

One way to keep the competition at bay.

[dull niche]

lmao

[twilit lodge]

I mean that was one of my assumptions for the lack of info azi is encountering

[lean timber]

i think blizzard shot is meta for hera actually

[latent moon]

meme beam hera

[acoustic bolt]

this? https://docs.google.com/document/d/16aaLsNytmQFv9JCJN4huTzGqQAREDGezD_fkQe5b4Ms/edit

[dull niche]

that’s not a specific weapon guide, but is the general intro to speedrunning guide we have

[high island]

Takes a lot of time to write an in-depth guide, and there's always minor disagreements among top players, and then by the time you finish a guide there's a couple new runs on the board that slightly shift the meta...

If you're aware of general build principles (e.g., Hyper Sprint → Rush Delivery, etc.) and have a look at like the top 5 runs on the leaderboard for any aspect, you'll have a good sense of the current meta from which to start and draw your own conclusions.

[dull niche]

definitely up to date, a real good place to start

[native blade]

Nice! i got Ocean’s Bounty, then Sunken Treasure.

[acoustic bolt]

where are the specific weapon guides? i'm having trouble finding them

[dull niche]

the video version of that guide is better though because sleepsoul has a very soothing voice

yeah good q, gimme one sec

[acoustic bolt]

i hope everything isn't a video lol

[dull niche]

nah most are docs

nothing is solely a video actually

[high island]

Thankfully in the Hades community, we don't really have any of those 1-2h video guides that take 98% of the time just to get to the point.

[dull niche]

nvm duunk has some solely vids

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/1i726

this is probably the best place to look

has pretty much everything in one spot

@acoustic bolt

[acoustic bolt]

ok that's pretty funny because i walked in here asking for opinions on a quote from a guide from there

-sigh-

[rustic vale]

[dull niche]

LOL which one was it

[acoustic bolt]

dyno is stopping me from posting links

[twilit lodge]

Yaaaasss

Sub10 gang squared

[acoustic bolt]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/5km0y

this guide. the bit about athena cast on hera

[dull niche]

are you sure that one is listed in the link i sent?

the sleepsoul guide we mentioned earlier is essentially a replacement to the one you just linked

since that one is, like we said, 2 years old and outdated at this point

[twilit lodge]

Greater delivery is so underwhelming compared to hyper delivery

[acoustic bolt]

ah i hadn't looked yet, it was just funny that i've been asking for more info the whole time and nobody pointed out that there are a bunch of other up to date guides on src.

the assumption was probably that since i posted from there i knew about them i guess? lol it was just the google search

thank you

[dull niche]

i mean not everyone knows about the compendium of guides there on src

most of us know of the individual guides that are linked there, but the compilation of them on src isnt super common knowledge

[acoustic bolt]

it is something i would expect to be a pin here or in the speedrun discord or both tbh

[high island]

Last time I looked at the guides there, it was pretty barren.

[dull niche]

yeah that was updated 3 months ago, which is relatively recent

that link i dont think is worth a pin here, but in speedrun cord we could do that ye

[acoustic bolt]

incidentally, about half of them are videos :p

ah i think i see the organization. like a written guide

and then video demonstrations

[dull niche]

ye i mentioned a second after i made that statement that duunk did a lot of youtube vids

[twilit lodge]

Mom Pom leveled up static discharge after I killed dad

😭

[acoustic bolt]

ah sorry missed that

[twilit lodge]

3 runs in a row with the 500 darkness ambrosia trade offered

Shackle is coming to kill me

[rustic vale]

🔪

[twilit lodge]

😱

[umbral summit]

Neat, got first Skelly statue

[latent moon]

gaming

[strong island]

So, but of a weird question but after beating the game I can no longer go to greece, and hence can't fish to finish my codex entries. It seems the only spot i might be able to fish is the final battle room but it's pretty low odds of getting a fishing point spawn there. Any tips?

[umbral summit]

There's a boon from Poseidon that increases the chances

So Poseidon's accessory can help

Other than that, just lots of runs

[latent moon]

when you reach hades, the fight takes place in greece

fishing spots will appear there

[strong island]

thats what I said

[native blade]

I got two Legendaries in a Trial Room.

[umbral summit]

Also the mirror buff that increases the odds of Legendary boons

If you really want to focus on it

[latent moon]

there's really not much you can do other than pos legendary

[strong island]

yeah I have that on anyways since I haven't finished the "collect all legendaries" prophecy anyway

alright, that's kinda annoying. I'm still at least 3 catches away and haven't gotten one in the last 20 or so runs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

good to know, thanks

[umbral summit]

How many levels of Fated Persuasion are there?

[native blade]

4

[umbral summit]

Thanks

[native blade]

Np.

[twilit lodge]

5 if you count 0 like the game does for some reason

But it levels up to 4 🤓

[umbral summit]

Got spear to 8 heat, guess I'll work on a different weapon for a while

Arthur is beefy

1k crit in tartarus

Oof, 2.5k crit

[native blade]

True. @brisk trail

[native blade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/ns4g5e/zeus_when_you_reject_his_boon/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link

[twilit lodge]

Imagine using an iPhone

wait I’m using an iPhone

[rustic vale]

Hades discussion is just becoming repost hades memes from hades reddit what has this world come to

[twilit lodge]

Memed Eclipse

Haha that was good actually

[vital tapir]

they’re all from 2 years ago too

[native blade]

Scrolling through top of all time.

[native blade]

Indeed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/y8cwz3/when_two_separate_subs_have_aligning_interests/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[twilit lodge]

[dusky cypress]

omfg

I saw it the first time

how much am I likely to get my sh!t pushed in by ||charon||? I saw the prompt but didn't attempt/look it up until now (yes I already assumed it was a prompt for a boss fight)

[twilit lodge]

First time Charon will probably kill you

[dusky cypress]

oh right I'm on td1 with 16 minutes in asphodel, is that not enough time to learn + fight/beat him?

cool good to know

[twilit lodge]

Fight him in ely

[dusky cypress]

time to suicide the room for fun

I am in ely

[twilit lodge]

Your build will be better then

Pic

Oic *

[dusky cypress]

I assumed pic wasn't a typo lol

https://imgur.com/a/e3s9ogt

[twilit lodge]

I assumed you would assume that

Yeah he’s gonna stomp you

[dusky cypress]

xd

[latent moon]

Just git gud

[dusky cypress]

w/ 3 DDs and 205 HP?

[twilit lodge]

I mean you don’t really have a lot of damage it looks like

[latent moon]

No flat damage on atk

[twilit lodge]

So he may stomp you just because of how long the fight will be

[latent moon]

Your only saving grace would be if you're using Dem fists

[twilit lodge]

It’s dem

[latent moon]

Looks like it

[twilit lodge]

Dio in pool but not cores

Rip

[dusky cypress]

alright time to die

[native blade]

Go with honour.

o7

[twilit lodge]

It says you’re playing civ6 :0

[dusky cypress]

idk why it says that I have

oh

nvm I understand exactly why it says that

[native blade]

Bro died so hard he ended up in another game.

He went turbo

[dusky cypress]

no I have tf2 and hades up on this computer but I'm logged into the disc on another computer where they're playing civ

I think I would've beaten him if I didn't take that stupid hammer for "charged special" + still finished out the run lol

so glad it has the record skip noise for the first time you do it lmao

[twilit lodge]

It does that every time and I love it so much

[remote iris]

i wish the charon fight focused on hard and cool attacks, not big damage numbers

[dusky cypress]

yeah I def noticed the "haha funny damage number" attached to a massive attack but w/e

[latent moon]

i mean the attacks are cool imo

they're cool and hurt a lot

[dusky cypress]

wow 50 attack

[remote iris]

it diesn't feel as interesting as a main boss fight

[latent moon]

because he's not a main boss?

[dusky cypress]

I mean it starts at 40 and hades doesn't even get a 50 outside of a skull until em4

I don't think it needs to or should be tho

[remote iris]

oopsies

[dusky cypress]

imho

[twilit lodge]

Absolutely cursed beo tart

[latent moon]

i mean yeah maybe the damage number is a bit too high

[twilit lodge]

Pos start, forced dio ares Athena

[remote iris]

holy wowzers hydra heads vs oh wow he has an op oar

[latent moon]

but also i wouldn't call the fight uninteresting

[twilit lodge]

I have pos on attack

[dusky cypress]

I'm like 90% sure I would've won if I didn't take a crappy hammer to worm my way towards prophecy completion

[remote iris]

i first tried it and i think the second kill conpleted Hermes' wager

[latent moon]

bruh lmao

[twilit lodge]

Plus side I got to sell epic cov and holy shield

So I’m rich

My rush is knocking things out of my flares lmao

You ever get double lernie taxed

[latent moon]

yes

[dusky cypress]

lernie... lernie

double taxed?
wdym by double taxed

[twilit lodge]

Lernie ate two of my DDs

[dusky cypress]

oof

[twilit lodge]

One is acceptable, even standard

[dusky cypress]

idk how one is standard tbh

[twilit lodge]

Two is the sign of an amazing build that just hasn’t happened quite yet

[dusky cypress]

I think its been awhile since I've lost one to heroes

[twilit lodge]

EM2 lernie chews Hp if you clear it quickly

[dusky cypress]

altho I'm not doing... idk 30 heat?

nope I don't see EM2 being bad either

how fast did you need to do lernie that you lost 2 DDs

[twilit lodge]

As fast as possible

With 100hp

[dusky cypress]

?????????

I'm still not seeing 2xDD

[twilit lodge]

You also don’t play fo2

[dusky cypress]

I've been doing it the past couple runs

got to hades once and just now was dying to charon

seems fairly comfortable all things considered

(does sort of make me consider taking sturdy when it shows up tho)

[rustic vale]

Forced overtime 2 EM2 lernie is more dangerous then heroes imo

[dusky cypress]

probably fair but also I'm gonna make a point of doing EM + FO2 then

[rustic vale]

Em2 fo2 is speedrun heat

[dusky cypress]

still don't understand why it inexplicably makes projectiles faster (this probably also means that chill affects the projectiles... huh) but still

yeah that sounds about right

[rustic vale]

Does it affect projectile speed?

I think that chill wouldn’t affect lernie projectile speed though

[twilit lodge]

Lernie mosh pit is pain

[latent moon]

trans lernie slams just hurt a lot lol
arena's pretty small and you're not playing safe at all so all the damage from slams and lava just adds up

ofc you can go fast and take minimal damage

but also it's whatever lol

[rustic vale]

The enemies are moving faster and attacking faster
And bunched closer together
It’s way easier to take more damage

[latent moon]

your hp pool is just for lernie, chaos, and dad

[rustic vale]

Plus lava

[latent moon]

every other fight is pretty easy

[twilit lodge]

And ely rooms with 3732736252628 exalted and unarmored splitters

[latent moon]

depends on aspect at that point lol

[lean timber]

awesome

aspect of divine dash

[latent moon]

idk man as

[twilit lodge]

Ely with roiling curse

[latent moon]

simply dont take roiling if you're speedrunning

tbh roiling can be pretty free as long as TD isn't an issue for you

[twilit lodge]

Simply don’t go to ely if you’re speedrunning

[latent moon]

or if you're speedrunning

[latent moon]

i want my ely skip for 40 heat 😔

[twilit lodge]

Bypass ely and go straight to Styx

[lean timber]

roiling is quite free below 40 heat. thank God it's not common

hardly ever see it

[latent moon]

yeah

roiling is free if you're taking it into styx tho

c34 roiling curse

big time loss tho

respawn times hurt

or spawn times rather

[twilit lodge]

Chaos these days only know how to do three things: charge they phone, eat hot chip, and offer roiling halting slothful

And lie

[latent moon]

and no grasp or shot

[twilit lodge]

Addled grasp

[twilit lodge]

Me waiting for the 96th tiny rat to move so I can see it and kill it

https://tenor.com/view/elmer-fudd-very-quiet-vewy-quiet-hunting-wabbits-gif-21896551

[latent moon]

big matty energy

[lean timber]

i can't see them

[twilit lodge]

Lernie taxed by lava fishing

[native blade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/nd08xe/i_guess_i_was_pretty_safe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[rustic vale]

I bet you that run was at least 45 minutes long

in game time

[latent moon]

low heat moment

[twilit lodge]

When sexy eeyore shows up with my tax refund check

[lean timber]

not even any defiances from athena

[twilit lodge]

Bet they didn’t even have bronze skin either

Mfw they claim to be safe without heroic bronze skin, positive outlook, and different league

[native blade]

Crystal Beam goes dumb hard.

[twilit lodge]

That was my nickname in college

Of course I get offered deadly flourish and of course the nectar Pom hits it

Having the worst beo run of my life but I got the Hermes lucky tooth dialog so I don’t wanna abandon 😭

Finally the mystery of who hired skelly has been solved

[dusky cypress]

xd

worst beowulf run of your life is still probably better than your best sword/fists/etc. run tho

[twilit lodge]

Nah my best sword run was 9:34 and is my best run overall currently :0

[dusky cypress]

or rly feckin' close if how much you peeps hyping beo up is to ...believed? be believed? be trusted

[twilit lodge]

This beo run was 12:48

Just very painful until styxshop

[rustic vale]

To be believed

Beowulf is a boss health bar remover

[twilit lodge]

I don’t get the fist hate tbh

[dusky cypress]

that's grammatically correct and all, I just hate it with every part of my soul

[rustic vale]

Me neither

[twilit lodge]

Explosive upper dem fists are one of my favorite things to play now

Either ME or drunken/lightning

[rustic vale]

The words about beowulf are to be believed

[dusky cypress]

I think fists are fine I'm just parroting what I've read from other people who apparently do 30+ heats 🤷

[twilit lodge]

We are an untrustworthy lot here

[rustic vale]

You are untrustworthy

[twilit lodge]

I’m worthy of untrust

[rustic vale]

True

[latent moon]

Short range is pain basically

And ME being such a gamble is a pain

Zap and drunk fists exist but they're pretty meh

[twilit lodge]

I would simply high roll ME crush shot smair Zeus call epic hyper delivery greatest reflex explosive upper breaching cross dem fists

[latent moon]

true

[twilit lodge]

With 20 ichors

[latent moon]

based

[twilit lodge]

What would aspect of bingus be

I guess fists

Bonus damage to all rats

A fist aspect with a bleed debuff on attack would be based

Stacking preferably

[latent moon]

yo did you just invent hangover

[twilit lodge]

SMH

Next you’ll say Gilgamesh invented doom

[vital tapir]

ugh

just finished a run 1 nectar short of the victory flair

entering elysium with 1 needed and 6 rolls isn’t good enough

[lean timber]

yeah you're not getting nectar in elysium

sorry

blue laurel spawn rates go waaaaay down

[marble blaze]

people are just horny

[vital tapir]

TIL you can roll blue laurel chamber rewards into healing

[lean timber]

huh? centaur hearts? you shouldn't be able to, hearts are gold laurels

[vital tapir]

no, healing food

french fries

[lean timber]

oh yes yummy

[native blade]

Shield rolls.

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031006396562550825/1032612739828428880/unknown.png

LESS GET IT!!!

[lunar moth]

The time you usually get this boon it already becomes useless. At least for me.

[native blade]

Lel, it freaking carried me.

[lunar moth]

How did it?

Have you got ir early or what?

[native blade]

Well I got in Asphodel.

[native blade]

Ye.

[lunar moth]

Which build were you going for then?

Anything particular?

[native blade]

Any really, just went with the flow.

[lunar moth]

Could you tell about the mirror?

[native blade]

?

[lunar moth]

The mirror of night

Do you remember what the buffs were?

[native blade]

Ye.

[lunar moth]

Could you tell me?

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1032621067241525258/unknown.png

[lunar moth]

I see

Well you can make a build just on this duo actually

You just really want to get it early

Which is pure luck

But alr

I can't judge here

[native blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031006396562550825/1032628229548298300/unknown.png

[mint coral]

Exclusive access into bad hermes peak combo

[rustic vale]

Getting it in tartarus is gaming though

[native blade]

Ye, I have it.

That’s what I meant.

[lunar moth]

Shall test it when I'm home

[native blade]

I love Typhoon Fury.

[acoustic bolt]

I'm reading on eof the achilles spear guides posted yesterday

"Infernal vs Stygian
Casts are part of building Achilles. That's why Infernal is better here.
Buffed base casts oneshot a lot of things in Tartarus too.

I think people take Stygian for Ravenous Will but if you just do your best you can get the bonus even on Infernal.
"

just do your best is honestly hilarious to me

XD

ok the fact that it went through a translator makes it less funny

[rustic vale]

Do not try to chase it in tart on purpose though it’s just a bonus if you hit it

[rustic vale]

If you do your best you can shoot out 3 casts

[acoustic bolt]

it's just funny because it's not specific advice it's just "listen, i believe in you"

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-9186020

[rustic vale]

[native blade]

Nah it’s “This one is better, trust me bro.”

[acoustic bolt]

lol

[latent moon]

Believe in merciful end lmao

[acoustic bolt]

ME pulverizing blow was eye opening

[acoustic bolt]

@native blade what was fun about it

[native blade]

Practicing and becoming better.

[acoustic bolt]

oh you're just doing a bit

k

[native blade]

No, I’m not

I genuinely like practicing.

[acoustic bolt]

zag just strums barely a chord and you're not practicing you just hit one button.

so uh what

[native blade]

But you get better.

And you can hear the changes.

[acoustic bolt]

yeah and it was interesting but i don't think i would call it fun if you did like 100 at a time

[latent moon]

Homies a musician lmao

[steady bane]

Ok, just got through Minos (and goddamn, he has a good voice), and got to Thanatos... ZAGREUS, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY GOODBYE TO HIM- The dude felt to betrayed