If you clear some rooms with Lambent Plume and then take it off, do you keep the bonuses?
#h1-discussion
umbral summit
latent moon
If you clear some rooms with Lambent Plume and then take it off, do you keep the...
No
Same goes with butterfly
umbral summit
Okay, thanks
rustic vale
Yeah
rustic vale
Same goes with butterfly
Same with mom pom /J
native blade
Does Battie work on Hades? I just got it.
latent moon
What
I thought you just had to get that and another one that does work on hades
So battie and skelly
native blade
F.
latent moon
That's what I've been told tho
native blade
What a good place to use her then?
latent moon
11 ambrosia to max battie
10 to max and 1 for skelly
native blade
11 ambrosia to max battie
10 to max and 1 for skelly
Wait, can theseus block it?
DAMMMIT
latent moon
I've never seen him block it
native blade
Ok, that's comforting at least.
umbral summit
Thesius always has his guard down when he's going into his 2nd phase to summon the gods' help, so you can hit him with your nuke companions when his shield drops
Also works out since that's the only time he can be hard
latent moon
Or you can hit both at the very start
umbral summit
If you're prioritizing speed, yeah
native blade
Also works out since that's the only time he can be hard
Indeed.
Also, I think I'm actually doing the Dio, Ares, Aphro build by accident.
I already got Aphro Special and Dio atk.
rustic vale
I thought you just had to get that and another one that does work on hades
You have to but a work order too
You need at least one from someone employed by hades iirc
Just checked wiki it says
Summons vs Hades
At first, only Shady and Rib may be used against Hades. However, once you have forged a sufficient bond with him and a few others, he will grant you authority to use any of the companions against him.
This authority requires:
7 hearts with one of the following: Megaera, Thanatos, Dusa, or Achilles
7 hearts with another of those, or with Skelly or Sisyphus
4 hearts with Hades
twilit lodge
Sorry Master Chaos, but if I start ares and see Athena c3 and a chaos gate I’m not taking the chaos gate
umbral summit
I wish hits that break armor carried over their damage, even if the carry over was nerfed to 1/2 or 1/4 of the remaining damage or something
native blade
I wish hits that break armor carried over their damage, even if the carry over w...
I wish there were armor piercing boons and stuff.
swift inlet
Being able to directly attack armored enemies' health would be wild
umbral summit
Can you kill yourself using Hazard Bomb after beating Hades but before leaving the screen?
rustic vale
I thought hazard bomb was like chaos where you can’t kill yourself w/ them but I don’t remember.
umbral summit
Maybe, I've never actually blown myself up that badly
wow, never seen 2 duo boons offered at once before
vital tapir
you can kill yourself with hazard bomb
devout terrace
umbral summit
Maybe next time my escape streak breaks I'll go see if there's any special dialogue from Hades if you kill yourself with that after beating him
twilit lodge
Eury really gonna call me out for having onion breath
raw herald
Hi
granite iron
what's the current topic
raw herald
Hades
raw herald
Zeus
signal aspen
spark elk
Hey, I've been able to play the lyre with actual music for a while, but still Orpheus won't talk to me... Do I have to keep going or will the last conversation trigger eventually?
umbral summit
Btw who's the best god in y'all's opinion
Nyx
If you're talking about the ones that give boons, Hermes gives me more dashes and never tries to kill me, so I pick him
twilit lodge
Hey, I've been able to play the lyre with actual music for a while, but still Or...
Eventually as long as you’re playing like actual multiple note music
granite iron
Yeah I meant boons
umbral summit
Plus he knows our secret and doesn't rat us out, so he's a good guy
granite iron
Boons-wise, I gotta go with Dionysus fr
Mans giving me damage over time like it's nothing
spark elk
Eventually as long as you’re playing like actual multiple note music
Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Thanks, I'll keep going.
twilit lodge
Once he talks to you about it you’ll finish the orophecy
umbral summit
Do you have to poke the harp to get that subquest to progress, or is it just talking to Orpheus?
twilit lodge
You have to use the harp like 100 times or something
latent moon
210 to finish prophecy, idk how much to talk to orphy tho
twilit lodge
🤓 technically it’s a lyre
He talks to you once not long after you buy the lyre and then he talks to you again once you’ve started playing real music
native blade
Dammit, I forgot he becomes impervious before he becomes vulnerable.
That was such a good run and now my streak's gone.
twilit lodge
Rip
umbral summit
I had a 12 streak a while back, gradually ramping up heats to get every reward, then Guan Yu got me killed
signal aspen
i had a 200 streak
remote iris
what shirt should i get
native blade
what shirt should i get
T-shirt.
umbral summit
Is Boiling Blood additive with boon boosts?
Debating switching to Abyssal
If it is
remote iris
i personally dont cast enough for it to matter lmao
umbral summit
Even on non-cast builds I like to just keep 1 of my bloodstones on bosses
for the boost
twilit lodge
Is Boiling Blood additive with boon boosts?
It’s a global additive boost
umbral summit
Okay, thanks
So only really a huge deal on attacks that don't get many additive boons
like calls
twilit lodge
Meaning anything that does damage to something with a stone in it does an extra 50% of the base damage
twilit lodge
So only really a huge deal on attacks that don't get many additive boons
Pretty useful for all attacks tbh
umbral summit
I'm not trying to speedrun yet, so I'll try out the 30% slow
See if I like it better for now
Wonder if it works on how often Thesius's calls happen, or if that's considered to be independent of him
twilit lodge
Kill him faster with boiling blood and Theseus will do even less damage to you :0
umbral summit
Not worried about Thesius since he's simple above 50% and I nuke him with my keepsake under 50%
Was more idle curiosity
More worried about Hades when it comes to the speed down being useful
latent moon
why not use chill
twilit lodge
How do you nuke things with a keepsake
latent moon
dad
twilit lodge
Mort based
umbral summit
So hitting Thesius with it when he goes into phase 2 brings him to like 10%
twilit lodge
I prefer using companion at the start of that fight
latent moon
with mort it's probably less consistent at the start
twilit lodge
Nah I’ve used mort for them before
Asterius heads towards you and Theseus stands in place
magic fern
should I run the feather while I'm trying to do td
umbral summit
I've tried that too, but I prefer basically skipping Theseus's 2nd phase than cutting off some time from Asterion
When I start trying to optimize for speed I'm sure I'd switch to doing both at the start if I'm using Mort (no idea if he's good for speedrunning)
latent moon
should I run the feather while I'm trying to do td
not really
feather doesn't exactly make you clear rooms faster
neither to any of the keepsakes tbh
magic fern
ok
native blade
feather doesn't exactly make you clear rooms faster
That’s… a lie.
latent moon
but if you have a good build the rooms get cleared faster
i mean
yeah sure to get the bonus
but also like
magic fern
also I keep forgetting to use companions since I just got them
latent moon
even without getting that bonus you want to clear as fast as possible
it's not like the feather is gonna help you with that
magic fern
even though I have 4 uses of battie
umbral summit
The movement speed helps a bit, though
native blade
Even at minimum benefit, it increases your movement speed.
native blade
The movement speed helps a bit, though
^
latent moon
at that low of a percent it really doesnt
native blade
Cumulatively yeah.
latent moon
it's still not a good keepsake to begin with tho
native blade
Especially if you’re focusing on speed buffs anyways.
twilit lodge
Having a cohesive build thanks to god keepsakes makes you a lot faster than plume does
latent moon
you're not gonna get a boost if you clear rooms too slow
magic fern
do I just use battie on a miniboss then spam the rest of the uses in the heroes fight
native blade
it's still not a good keepsake to begin with tho
Also cap, it can carry you through the whole run.
native blade
do I just use battie on a miniboss then spam the rest of the uses in the heroes ...
Ye.
twilit lodge
Movement speed is not the limiting factor in how quickly you clear lol
latent moon
do I just use battie on a miniboss then spam the rest of the uses in the heroes ...
every miniboss
signal aspen
Also cap, it can carry you through the whole run.
not really
magic fern
yeah with td I tend to hit a wall at heroes
native blade
Having a cohesive build thanks to god keepsakes makes you a lot faster than plum...
Well, true.
magic fern
since I keep forgetting battie
latent moon
Also cap, it can carry you through the whole run.
it really cant unless you're doing plume zag fists dodge
native blade
not really
It has multiple times.
signal aspen
for you
native blade
it really cant unless you're doing plume zag fists dodge
Oh, well.
latent moon
and the only "carry" it's doing is giving you dodge, not making you go fast
native blade
That’s fair ig.
native blade
and the only "carry" it's doing is giving you dodge, not making you go fast
It does both, especially when you get rush delivery.
signal aspen
100% of the time you will swap out your keepsake for a better one in ely and styx
so then you just lose all the bonuses from the plume
magic fern
should I use battie on sneak and if so how do I hit him the easiest
signal aspen
yeah
latent moon
It does both, especially when you get rush delivery.
rd on like a 30% boost from the plume really isn't doing wonders unless you get epic rd
there's a big reason why rd is generally only good with hyper sprint
native blade
100% of the time you will swap out your keepsake for a better one in ely and sty...
Few times have I ever needed to do that.
twilit lodge
should I use battie on sneak and if so how do I hit him the easiest
Wait for him to show up the first time, then wait for him to teleport
magic fern
ok
twilit lodge
And immediately use it when he shows up (second time)
native blade
rd on like a 30% boost from the plume really isn't doing wonders unless you get ...
Well yeah, but you can also get hyper sprint. And you have a higher chance if getting rush delivery with plume anyway.
signal aspen
Few times have I ever needed to do that.
ok but you cant deny that tooth, acorn, or sigil is better than plume
latent moon
Well yeah, but you can also get hyper sprint. And you have a higher chance if ge...
still doesn't make plume good really
native blade
ok but you cant deny that tooth, acorn, or sigil is better than plume
For bosses? Ig.
twilit lodge
Imagine arguing anecdotal evidence against proven community consensus
native blade
But even then it inly matters if you need them in the first place.
latent moon
https://youtu.be/oCSN__ABbro?t=138
nice cast bug
signal aspen
nice cast bug
still sub7d by 0.4s
umbral summit
Would it be popular to use Plume up until Styx and swap it out if the bonuses didn't disappear, or would god boons still be better?
signal aspen
no
latent moon
still sub7d by 0.4s
honestly based
native blade
still doesn't make plume good really
can’t do anything about that.
twilit lodge
Would it be popular to use Plume up until Styx and swap it out if the bonuses di...
They do disappear
umbral summit
I said if
native blade
Imagine arguing anecdotal evidence against proven community consensus
I can only speak based on my own experiences.
twilit lodge
How would we know
native blade
How would we know
Mods.
latent moon
Would it be popular to use Plume up until Styx and swap it out if the bonuses di...
only if you get all the gods/duos you want in tart and then maybe
signal aspen
just seed c1 and c2 rewards
latent moon
yeah
twilit lodge
True
raw herald
Smh
signal aspen
zagcry
umbral summit
lol, Zeus is offering me Epic Thunder Dash and normal Lightning Reflexes
Literally exactly the same except one has a condition
latent moon
doesn't lightning reflexes do more damage lol
latent moon
that's kinda sad still lol
umbral summit
The alternative was a revenge bolt, and I didn't want to spend to reroll
Only have 1 reroll without grabbing keys atm
signal aspen
revenge bolt was way better
latent moon
yea
twilit lodge
Literally exactly the same except one has a condition
Unfortunately thunder dash is buggy and messes with dash aiming
native blade
I love Zagreus’ ballad, it’s my new favourite.
latent moon
absolutely based
thunder dash isn't so bad tho
unless it opens up duos you dont want
brisk trail
How is the aspect of Arthur btw?
Don't have the titan blood to spare if i get it and end up regretting
signal aspen
its pretty good
latent moon
you either love it or hate it
signal aspen
slow but hits hard
brisk trail
Generally I'm not a fun of slower weapons
latent moon
you wont be a fan of arthur then lol
umbral summit
I mostly like dashes either for their enfeebles or to pop rats and hades's poison pillars
latent moon
thunder dash can do that...
umbral summit
Thunder Dash is kind of unreliable for that
signal aspen
idk man as
latent moon
someone with
umbral summit
Are you more likely to get boons for slots you currently have empty?
signal aspen
yes
native blade
latent moon
homie was thirsty
brisk trail
you wont be a fan of arthur then lol
What other aspects are there?
I currently only have Gilgamesh which is so op but I can't keep using the same weapon over and over again
umbral summit
I saw one guy who said he was looking for his son, and it died he died of old age
Made me a bit sad
latent moon
What other aspects are there?
I currently only have Gilgamesh which is so op but...
beowulf, rama, and lucifer
signal aspen
all of the hidden aspects are pretty slow
brisk trail
Other than Gilgamesh you mean?
signal aspen
except for gilgamesh
brisk trail
Cuz that one is amazing
signal aspen
hit slow hit light
latent moon
lmfao
brisk trail
Ah damn
vital tapir
yea it was kinda disappointing unlocking them all just for 5/6 to be hit hard and slow
latent moon
gilga isn't that great but the extra (but shorter) dashes are fun
signal aspen
dash only gilgamesh is fun
latent moon
true
brisk trail
Might not use the hidden at all then, but i do need to change things up
signal aspen
i mean theres nothing wrong with using gilgamesh
brisk trail
The aspect of the spear isn't great either with the reduced max HP, might use Achilles's
signal aspen
use it if you think its fun
umbral summit
Apparently I'm doing a dash strike build this run; Tempest Strike and Serrated Point
Regretting not getting the extra dash now
brisk trail
use it if you think its fun
Oh no i am, just wanna try something different for once
umbral summit
If there was a pact to remove the i-frames from dashes, how many heat should it be worth?
latent moon
ramp up damage tho
lean timber
If there was a pact to remove the i-frames from dashes, how many heat should it ...
20
twilit lodge
and makes your dashstrikes buggy
Hmm for some reason I thought it was all dash strikes
twilit lodge
If there was a pact to remove the i-frames from dashes, how many heat should it ...
Free heat on beo
twilit lodge
Hmm, maybe fighting Charon with nerfed dashes was a bad idea
Definitely bad idea, he’s difficult
umbral summit
Normally I can dash away from him when he goes in for the lightsaber and get fully out of range, but with the nerfed dash length that wasn't enough
So timing was harder
native blade
signal aspen
If there was a pact to remove the i-frames from dashes, how many heat should it ...
64
umbral summit
lmao, fail
Used Mort on the giant rat mini-boss, then dashed through it to make sure it didn't walk out of range
Then my poseidon dash knocked it out of range
native blade
Huh, I tied with Than.
Ruthless Reflex and Greatest Reflex?
Kinda kooky but I like it.
twilit lodge
But the phone clock should say 7:48
latent moon
true
rustic vale
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031006396562550825/1032041654695239710...
Should be 7:48 smh
umbral summit
Okay, I am not impressed by Abyssal Blood after using it for a bit
I thought it said attack speed, not movement speed, which is why I was so interested
native blade
I thought it said attack speed, not movement speed, which is why I was so intere...
Lel.
Yeah, I'm a Boiling Blood fan myself.
umbral summit
And the movement speed doesn't even seem to affect movement during attacks
Asterion's charge and leaping axe hits didn't seem to be any slower, nor did Hades's dash into spear spin
native blade
And the movement speed doesn't even seem to affect movement during attacks
It's good for Long Ranged weapons tho.
umbral summit
Okay, I kind of hate Mort's auto target
Tried to use it on a miniboss, only for a tiny rat to spawn right behind me right then and Mort targeted the tiny rat
Don't got meg yet
latent moon
even if he did have meg it wouldn't have mattered
battie and mort have the same targeting system
so like
umbral summit
I learned to hug the enemy before using it
latent moon
even with meg it'd still target the tiny rat behind you
rustic vale
Is really just better
More damage means enemies dead faster means less damage taken
latent moon
I learned to hug the enemy before using it
you dont have to do it for heroes and dad fight
well for meg at least
rustic vale
Why use mort when antos smh my head my head
latent moon
because heroes funky
remote iris
hades fight but he switched his mirror
rustic vale
Dad boiling blood does +100% when yours does +50%
So Dad abyssal blood would do 60% damage reduction and movespeed reduction
Obviously
twilit lodge
Just block his casts smh
native blade
umbral summit
That was funky
Got stuck inside Meg while she was doing her energy ball attack
Couldn't move or dash
twilit lodge
Meg’s balls
rustic vale
I just had the haha funny thought
rustic vale
C1 bow point blank conc sniper
Point blank ain’t that bad
twilit lodge
Yeah but guaranteed conc means Chiron
Or funny Rama
Hammers changed for Chiron
.. but still conc 
rustic vale
Or funny Rama
native blade
Sword’s actually kinda goated, might main.
twilit lodge
Sword is woated
native blade
Sword is woated
How?
rustic vale
I mean a good portion of sword hammers either negatively effect you or are nearly neutral
Wouldn’t be guaranteed on rama because rama cannot get concentrated
🧠
twilit lodge
Eury after both Hermes
Time to turn rd rare!!!
As if, I got it common lmao
Makes sense
Just need to get rare crop
Lmao eury hit haste and rd
I’m set
native blade
Man I love absolutely obliterating Theseus with Battie.
latent moon
Just need to get rare crop
That can't hit hermes
lean timber
concentrated volley rama
rustic vale
What does cursed slash do?
-60% max hp
Heal 2 per slash (not dstrike)
Nerfs you
umbral summit
lol
Zagreus runs away the entire fight because he's got 6 HP left, getting 0 kills
Thanatos: We make a decent team
rustic vale
Should’ve just got all the kills smh
twilit lodge
Yeah then you’d have 31hp
native blade
*Zagreus runs away the entire fight because he's got 6 HP left, getting 0 kills*...
Yeah, you’re bait, he’s hunter.
Great team.
Just don’t die, 4head.
rustic vale
Ez
rustic vale
Spin is usable… w/ good hammers
I figure they didn’t have a dd left
Well that’s just double nerfing your sword
rustic vale
Flurry slash + piercing wave + zag sword + heroic swift strike
It’s only bad if you try it, in theory it’s beautiful
twilit lodge
Imagine if the wave healed you
rustic vale
Heal I guess
twilit lodge
Hydra lite so your high confidence stays active obv
rustic vale
Just in case
rustic vale
Imagine if the wave healed you
If wave was affected by anything other than global additive it would’ve just been superior dedge
True
it’s just nerfing yourself because you weren’t spending obols
Or I should say
Nerfing myself
Whoops
I can words
Oh bruh I was using pos sword based
twilit lodge
Did you think you were using something else lol
twilit lodge
Personally I would just have finished the room not on top of an Erebus gate
rustic vale
Personally I would’ve cleared that room way faster
swift inlet
this is 9 seconds after clearing
unkempt inlet
hello, should i take 200 gemstones for 1 titan blood?
swift inlet
do you have all aspects unlocked
twilit lodge
hello, should i take 200 gemstones for 1 titan blood?
No
unkempt inlet
twilit lodge
You can farm gemstones by playing heat you have already cleared pretty easily
If you need them
And by fishing
rustic vale
Gemstones aren’t worth it
twilit lodge
On my first save I traded a blood for the 200 stones
Because I was trying to get all the upgrades
rustic vale
I would take darkness in exchange for titans blood or ambrosia any day of the week now that I have no use for them though
twilit lodge
But it’s bad idea early game because that’s when bloods are the tightest
dusky cypress
well then
I just got parting shot in elysium, not really any use for it I think after looking it up/build didn't really particularly have anything for it (can you get offered it if your only bonus damage to it is the flat 35%?), purged before styx and got offered it again when I bought an aphrodite boon from charon
latent moon
it do be like that
rustic vale
I just got parting shot in elysium, not really any use for it I think after look...
Wdym “can you get offered it if your only bonus damage to it is flat 35%”?
vagrant rapids
ok so I just got the painting of the princess from Crete and then I realized that I genuinely do not know who she is, am I supposed to have seen her in the story so far or--
dusky cypress
I don't think I have any backstab bonuses
so the only thing parting shot would give me is the +35% backstab bonus that comes tacked on with it (yes I know % bonuses to something with high base damage is amazing, but... still)
twilit lodge
But if you did have any your cash would get them
latent moon
parting shot only affects your cast
dusky cypress
I know it only affects cast
rustic vale
I don't think I have any backstab bonuses
You don’t need backstab presence to find parting shot
dusky cypress
I don't think my cast would get backstab bonus damage from other backstab effects tho
rustic vale
You do not need fiery presence for parting shot
dusky cypress
I don't think I have any of those
isn't the exposed effect the 2 stacked effects one
rustic vale
I don't think my cast would get backstab bonus damage from other backstab effect...
If you had any it would
If you don’t it’s only 35%
rustic vale
isn't the exposed effect the 2 stacked effects one
Nop
rustic vale
isn't the exposed effect the 2 stacked effects one
Exposed is athena status curse
twilit lodge
So then your cast would only get the bonus 35%
dusky cypress
privileged mb
rustic vale
Pstatus is 2 status curses
twilit lodge
Without parting shot, casts can’t backstab
rustic vale
Exposed gives backstab damage
twilit lodge
That’s the benefit of parting shot
rustic vale
And gives casts a +35% backstabbing damage for when they do because otherwise it could literally be useless
twilit lodge
Welcoming Shot, gives your casts any bonuses you have for hitting undamaged targets
Imagine if casts needed a duo to get fiery bonus
Hera in shambles
dusky cypress
was screwing around and found out (well I also have greater inferno because I took a 2nd hammer after already having triple bombs...) that the radial damage burst on eden will also reflect projectiles
honestly thought that was just gonna be the blast but apparently not (yes I'm still a noob who knows nothing and is just screwing around)
latent moon
was screwing around and found out (well I also have greater inferno because I to...
divine flourish?
rustic vale
was screwing around and found out (well I also have greater inferno because I to...
The pulsing is affected by all flourishes
rustic vale
The pulsing is affected by all flourishes
So it will deflect
It will weaken
It will knockback
Etcetera
It’s like zeus shield special
Except explosive
dusky cypress
is athenas adjective divine? idk
yeah it was athenas
latent moon
explosive return procs lol
latent moon
is athenas adjective divine? idk
yeah it was athenas
yes
rustic vale
is athenas adjective divine? idk
yeah it was athenas
If it deflects it’s athena
dusky cypress
I know whose affects is whose I just don't know all the adjectives off the top of my head
rustic vale
Drunken = dio
Curse or slicing = ares
Lightning or thunder = zeus
Passion/heartbreak = aphrodite
Tidal/tempest = pos
Frost/whatever else sounds like winter = demeter
Hermes = swift /great
Artemis = deadly/hunter
Athena = divine
Did skip a few of the one off adjectives
Like blade for blade dash or electric for electric shot
latent moon
nasty = dio
latent moon
nasty dash
rustic vale
Drunken dash
latent moon
nasty
rustic vale
Drunken
dusky cypress
is there anything in particular that changes in em4 phase besides the FoV? like as long as I can track the enemies he summons/skulls thrown I can see everything, right?
rustic vale
he has 3 phases instead of 2
he has a cereberus attack
Something or other about punishing hugging dad during lasers iirc?
I don’t remember it all
dusky cypress
wait they changed hugging? that's funny
I don't really use it but still that's funny to imagine someone almost dying for
(yes I know its basically free damage)
rustic vale
Something or other about punishing hugging dad during lasers iirc?
I think this is wrong
rustic vale
Healinn from vases
This is the big thing I believe
vital tapir
he sends knockback/stun waves during both beam attacks
rustic vale
So I was initially right
vital tapir
there are a lot of “big things”
rustic vale
Just confused myself
rustic vale
there are a lot of “big things”
True
vital tapir
the biggest probably being ||stage 3||
dusky cypress
is it worth bothering with movement speed in hades fight (thinking of the 2x spin attacks, which even when I know they're coming seem awfully annoying to get out of the way) or should I just get used to timing the invuln frames better?
rustic vale
Movespeed good for rush delivery but dashes are your easy way out of issues
vital tapir
you can time the iframes with anything vs em4
dusky cypress
I'd ask about how to optimize some stuff but I'm still content just having fun trying stuff out even if I rage again failing like 5 different EM4 runs
vital tapir
only like ranged builds are gonna be able to run away for every attack
rustic vale
I'd ask about how to optimize some stuff but I'm still content just having fun t...
I mean you can optimise stuff and still have fun
They aren’t mutually exclusive
Unlike what the majority of the dnd 5e community will have you believe
dusky cypress
yeah I think I feel that already just doing EM4 10 heat runs and knowing this gets so much worse
on the other hand I feel like most of the difficulty atm is literally just... learning EM4
dusky cypress
is only having 1 acorn hit left after p1 bad? (I think I took 2-3 hits from one of the minibosses being the sneak from tartarus, rip)
rustic vale
is only having 1 acorn hit left after p1 bad? (I think I took 2-3 hits from one ...
Minibosses cannot take away acorn uses
dusky cypress
I did a single run with fo1 but its easy to imagine fo2 being hell-ish
rustic vale
oh wait
dusky cypress
?
rustic vale
You mean in boss fight I’m 4iq
rustic vale
Yeah I get that now
dusky cypress
think this is the best I've done in em4 but I'll come back after having lost only half-way through p3 lol
vital tapir
minibosses love munching on acorn
dusky cypress
damn right frickin' tell me about it
eugh
at least medusa/crushers are heavily telegraphed and the soul catchers butterflies are incredibly slow
uhhhhh yeah ok I still used 2 DDs but I had like 300 health left
I really feel like divine-eden kind of completely nullfies skulls and I didn't even see the spear throws half the time despite knowing "its been too long, he should throw spear soon" (is the only way em4 spin attack can end is he goes from 1 into 2nd spin or 1st into spear throw?) or a number of other projectiles because the deflecting wave just kind of annihilated everything (I had triple bombs)
lean timber
i think he can do 1 -> 2 -> spear throw. i don't remember all the moves. there's a lot of combinations
native blade
rustic vale
bruh what is this gameplay
actually I'm not allowed to say that
I'm not that much better
native blade
I'm not that much better
Lel.
umbral summit
Oof. First time I tried the time limit heat, I ran out of time in Elysium
umbral summit
Felt like every single room had about 10-20 shielded warriors, and unupgraded Beowulf is not very good DPS when your casting boon isn't very good
umbral summit
Level 1 zeus. I never manged to get it to come up on any poms
rustic vale
the 3 2 casts that really matter on beowulf are flood flare, passion flare, and trippy flare
oh
umbral summit
Didn't get any casts at all until Asphodel, so I just took it
rustic vale
zeus flare is perhaps the worst cast for beowulf
is not affected by any cast damage bonuses
is not affected by mirage shot
rustic vale
the ~~3~~ 2 casts that really matter on beowulf are flood flare, passion flare, ...
I would recommend trying these flares
twilit lodge
I would recommend using fated persuasion and starting with the god keepsake for the cast you want
twilit lodge
Beowulf is a cast aspect, you can’t expect to do much with it if you don’t force the game to give you a good cast very early
@dusky cypress persuasion is generally much better
The only thing authority is good for that I’ve run into so far is rerolling Styx tunnels away from gods when trying to clear boonless
old belfry
authority is good memes
remote iris
do things like maim give priveleged one of two status curses
rustic vale
do things like maim give priveleged one of two status curses
Status Curses:
Artemis: Hunters mark
Athena: exposed
Ares: doom
Aphrodite: weaken (not charm)
Poseidon: ruptured
Demeter: chill (no killing freeze isn’t a status curse)
Dionysus: hangover (not festive fog )
Zeus: Jolted
Hades spin marking, Gilgamesh maiming, Rama Shared suffering and Talos magnetised pull buff, boiling/abyssal blood are not status curses
remote iris
1984
rustic vale
?
remote iris
magnetism spin markung maining shared suffering and boiling/abyssal not being status curses is 1984
/j
rustic vale
orwellian strike
level 1979 common drunken strike
native blade
Bow is so good but I despise it with all of my body, mind, soul and spirit.
I can’t wait to die with this god forsaken weapon.
Life is lamentation , survival is suffering, existence is torture and perpetuation is pain.
lean timber
me after taking one (1) hit in tartarus
rustic vale
me after taking one (1) hit in tartarus
Me after matty threatens bloody murder and blocking me for calling discount beowulf discount beowulf
lean timber
me when the joke still isn't funny and i'm not unblocking you this time
rustic vale
Nooooo
Life is pain, survival is suffering, existence is torture and perpetuation is pain.
I will hand it to you though
At least hera doesn’t have +10% damage taken
vital tapir
classic c6 tax
lean timber
rustic vale
me after taking one (1) hit in tartarus
Matty using lvl 1 guan-yu with high confidence and hl5
twilit lodge
This is why I tell people to ignore you
lean timber
bro is beyond based
rustic vale
I would recommend recommending fated authority and using fated persuasion
64 heat fauthority is a God mirror and pact
native blade
twilit lodge
Ancient history
lean timber
that's fake
dusky cypress
do I just alt-f4? I interacted with aphrodite but I still need to give out nectars for keepsakes and pressed the wrong button -_-
rustic vale
Throwing a run because you missed an aphrodite gift is not 🧠
dusky cypress
no
rustic vale
Unless alt+f4 doesn’t throw your run idk I’m not on PC
dusky cypress
someone said you can exit out and re-enter the room to re-do it if you do something out of order
just trying to give out the ambrosias for keepsakes just so I have them
dusky cypress
I don't even have any of the companions and only just got around to a bond/the ability to give out ambrosias after having gotten like 50+ of them 🤷
twilit lodge
do I just alt-f4? I interacted with aphrodite but I still need to give out necta...
If you interacted with her and the boon selection screen opened its too late to quit and reload
Or rather, game won’t let you quit
dusky cypress
rip
twilit lodge
SMH no c1 phalanx shot
dusky cypress
for hs/sure footing, the soul jars and cerberus rocks are traps but the skull exposions aren't, right?
native blade
Life is lamentation , survival is suffering, existence is torture and perpetuati...
Finally the cursed run has ended.
dusky cypress
I mean its what I'm assuming but I also don't want to get boned by that assumption lol
twilit lodge
Are the Cerberus rocks traps?
dusky cypress
is sf decent-ish for noobs to the hades/em4 hades fight? (iirc that particular boon selection was... complete garbage, like wow that's the worst I've seen in awhile)
yeah idk what to think it is
twilit lodge
Scintillating feast?
It’s not stellar, because trippy shot is not stellar in general use
dusky cypress
I mean the jars in styx definitely aren't traps so idk whether to assume cereberus counts as a trap or not
twilit lodge
Oh sure footing
dusky cypress
but if its not a trap than I don't have to worry about hs-cerb making the rocks (50 > 300) an instant DD lmao
twilit lodge
Just don’t run hs
Problem solved
If you’re running hs sure footing is good to have
dusky cypress
idk its cool to run different things
besides the mirror one and limiting choices/some other one I can't remember
those can screw off permanently, I did them once just for the minor prophecy lol
twilit lodge
Hs is in the same category
dusky cypress
I don't feel the same way tbh
(unless someone tells me cerberus counts)
lean timber
cerberus isn't a trap
dusky cypress
rip
weirdly hopeful for third phase??? starting to feel quite comfortable in em4 but that's only speaking for 1-2 phases... 100 health and 2x105 hp DDs = 310 ._.
wow
twilit lodge
Phase 3 was the easiest for me when I did em4
lean timber
very nice
dusky cypress
did it with fully upgraded because ABSOLUTELY SCREW THE IDEA of doing a 30% hp run
twilit lodge
30% Hp is free
lean timber
literally
dusky cypress
?
lean timber
i once beat em4 with a chaos atrophic curse and had 5 max hp
dusky cypress
yeah its what it starts w/ and doesn't cost blood just upgrading it does?
what am I missing
lean timber
"free" in the sense of "not a challenge"
dusky cypress
30% hp sounds like aids
rustic vale
Lvl 1 gy with ri4 and hl5
lean timber
no one runs unmaxed aspects intentionally
rustic vale
it's not fun that's why no one runs it
Why no one runs lvl 1 gy
Not why no one runs gy
Gy is based
dusky cypress
I just feel like its... fine? that's all I can really think for this
bow is funny but I don't use the gimmick because I've gotten triple shot everytime (yes I know shared suffering is extra damage even if the afflicted enemy is the only one in the room), edens cool, gilgamesh seems kind of dumb and arthur is funny/out of place
shields stupid but that's not beowulfs fault
twilit lodge
Shield cheese is nothing compared to Beowulf cheese
twilit lodge
What was last? Erebus?
rustic vale
Anvil
twilit lodge
Frfr
rustic vale
because I never used it before learning of rng manipulation
twilit lodge
I still need like 30 Erebus lol
dusky cypress
xd
twilit lodge
2 mati 1 voidskate 1 trout
Erebus is just such a bad choice 75% of the time
And I never feel like fighting Charon
I need 8 loyalty cards too
rustic vale
just hit them
vital tapir
still haven’t caught the legendary chaos fish
rustic vale
Voidskateol
native blade
I BEAT THE GAME!!!!
dusky cypress
twilit lodge
Pauper curse moment
dusky cypress
that's... kind of funny
took a bunch of damage in asphodel because apparently I'm clueless on how to use fists (either that or finally doing a run that isn't just me dreading em4 hades means I'm way sloppier) so the strong drink actually healed me from my like 60/245 health
latent moon
almost sub 10d on 40 heat but got 5 sacked
it do be like that 😔
dusky cypress
also is 100 darkness from each boss really the base rate for not completing a new heat record?
rustic vale
that's... kind of funny
took a bunch of damage in asphodel because apparently ...
Fists is just a dangerous weapon to be using
rustic vale
also is 100 darkness from each boss really the base rate for not completing a ne...
Not per boss
dusky cypress
well if you don't have the thing already, yeah
rustic vale
Furies is 50
Lernie is 100? Heroes is more
And hades is even even more
dusky cypress
it gives you gems or darkness or whatever instead just not one of the amb/titan/diamond currencies
latent moon
yeah they dont give the same amount
dusky cypress
huh
rustic vale
They do not give the same amount
Otherwise I wouldn’t’ve been able to get 1000+ darkness from hades alone that one run
And I know furies is 50
twilit lodge
Each boss gives a different amount; it’s the same amount regardless of heat - as long as it’s a heat you’ve claimed the bounties for already
dusky cypress
alright I'll proibably do a few non-heat runs then because I still want the choice between 3+ authority and 3+ persuasion w/o having to re-click everything with a stupid key lol
rustic vale
alright I'll proibably do a few non-heat runs then because I still want the choi...
You don’t need the choice between persuasion and authority
you only need authority
dusky cypress
I want it
rustic vale
you only need authority
/J
twilit lodge
Imagine wanting things
rustic vale
Authority is a waste of darkness unless you literally have nothing else to spend it on
Resource director and chaos theme are more value then authority
latent moon
native blade
Big tactics
Facts.
latent moon
it's an old post
twilit lodge
Shackle beo is big cursed
rustic vale
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/992887357260972072/u...
Should’ve done it at 20 heat
latent moon
i was showing an example of no persuasion because i reset mirror for chaos theme
twilit lodge
Legacy but no mirage smh
latent moon
i didn't even get arty lmao
latent moon
i literally pinged you when i did
twilit lodge
Cuuuuursed pact
latent moon
rustic vale
I forgot
latent moon
Cuuuuursed pact
not really tbh
rustic vale
Should’ve done it boonless at 64 heat
rustic vale
Shackle beo is big cursed
Lies and slander
twilit lodge
not really tbh
Mean the one above yours
rustic vale
I think you have a bad idea of what is cursed
rustic vale
My shackle pacts were based as hell wdym
latent moon
Mean the one above yours
not even that bad lol
twilit lodge
SMH my head my head
twilit lodge
Smdh my damn dmh head
twilit lodge
Shackle my d- is better
rustic vale
True I freudian slipped
vital tapir
i have been ap1’d out of mirage shot 5 times in a row
twilit lodge
I would simply not have ap1 target mirage shot
latent moon
i have been ap1’d out of mirage shot 5 times in a row
big mood
rustic vale
I would simply not have ap1 target mirage shot
I would simply have a better opinion on what is and isn’t based
twilit lodge
Based? Based on what?
rustic vale
Acid
dusky cypress
ayyy just got a bonus nectar from a trove after I had already gotten premium vintage beforehand lmao
117 gold + 1 nectar and 20 hp/+1 lvl
tasty
dusky cypress
Anvil
super late but after seeing it again and remembering, yeah I feel that
fully loaded... hmm
that'd be good if I had picked up any decent cast boon along the way -_-
rustic vale
If only fully loaded actually showed up on cast builds
dusky cypress
that... sounds about right
and unsurprisingly normal hades just seems straight up juvenile after doing an em4 run where I actually needed to (sort of - I still had divine dash) interact with his projectiles
oh lmao
I don't remember where I got it from but I also had mirage shot which is 100% a "detour into a cast build" card (or at least it sounds like one? someone said its bugged and 100% not 30% damage)
rustic vale
oh lmao
I don't remember where I got it from but I also had mirage shot which i...
It’s only bugged on beowulf
dusky cypress
ahhhhhhh k
rustic vale
I’m fairly certain it isn’t bugged on trippy flare hera
Oh wait
No it’s bugged on beowulf and trippy flare hera
But that is it
latent moon
only flares so yeah
twilit lodge
Imagine
rustic vale
Dragons
twilit lodge
Sword dstrikes are so weird for me
The thrust shows up when you spam them
And it throws the aim off big time
rustic vale
Sword dstrikes are so weird for me
twilit lodge
#jail
rustic vale
Hades is a perfect game
It has no flaws
Except for sword hammers but they don’t count
twilit lodge
And discount hera
twilit lodge
Discount Hera is Poseidon smdhmdhdhh
dusky cypress
almost died to non-em hades because I got overconfident with chiron + static special
latent moon
internal cooldown moment
dusky cypress
? y
twilit lodge
The lightning can only happen every 0.2 seconds or something like that
dusky cypress
ahh, good to know
dusky cypress
still solid damage tho
latent moon
it's not bad yeah
dusky cypress
yeah that makes more sense that they're not that tanky xd
latent moon
it's what's used in high heat for aoe
dusky cypress
I'd blame my use of DDs on the "my overconfidence was actually just not knowing there's a cd" if it wasn't just a sign of me being extremely sloppy/bad xd
twilit lodge
Risky Zeus boon from shop with two cores open but he gave me his aids
Actually bad idea because it used last nectar charge and now my impending from miniboss is gonna be common 😦 plus not done with Hermes
Note to self stop selling cores
10 second heroes 💪
Purple rd and common impending 😱
dusky cypress
stop selling... cores?
rustic vale
Core boons
dusky cypress
fair
rustic vale
Like strike, flourish, cast, dash
rustic vale
Those are cores
dusky cypress
you said "core boons" and I assumed "boons that are essential to the build"
well yeah
twilit lodge
Yeah I do things like get merciful end and then sell divine flourish to be cute
rustic vale
The game likes to try to force them in
dusky cypress
but like arrow + support fire or smthn
twilit lodge
Slash to increase Pom odds
dusky cypress
🤷
is there a point to taking core boons
I just don't like my options being "replace this" (unless its a high % bonus or like idk poseidons)
twilit lodge
Support fire is ballin
rustic vale
is there a point to taking core boons
I just don't like my options being "repl...
Yes
Because the game will keep throwing cores at your otherwise
dusky cypress
good to know but that also sounds like a fine way of like
actually getting a core I want
rustic vale
is there a point to taking core boons
I just don't like my options being "repl...
It’s only a 10% chance for exchanges
dusky cypress
good to know I need to take an attack or whatever tho to remove it from the pool 👍
twilit lodge
Best way to get a core you want
latent moon
if you have an empty core it's a passive ap1
twilit lodge
Is to ||use god keepsakes in tart and aspho||
latent moon
the downside of filling cores is bad pom rng
but tbh that's better than a passive ap1
latent moon
sub10 time?
latent moon
lmao based
twilit lodge
Bad news my first Sub10 is SMELLY ME ZAGSWOrd wtf
rustic vale
Bad news my first Sub10 is SMELLY ME ZAGSWOrd wtf
Zag sword is never smelly
latent moon
Bad news my first Sub10 is SMELLY ME ZAGSWOrd wtf
BASED
twilit lodge
I literally only played this because I couldn’t get c1 phalanx shot lol
And I got wrecked by dad when I tried to play Nem on this seed
rich herald
Bad news my first Sub10 is SMELLY ME ZAGSWOrd wtf
Wait
Like, you escaped with the timer at fewer than 10 minutes?!
Dear god
rich herald
I can beat Lernie in under 9 on some runs, I tried out the timer on Heat 1 a little
But jeez
Best I would've guessed is beating the full game in 15
rustic vale
Wait
Like, you escaped with the timer at fewer than 10 minutes?!
Dear god
Is mega possible
twilit lodge
the fastest run is like 3:45 lmao
I watched a sub 3 routed today
rustic vale
I just have a major skill issue where my best time is 10:33 rn 
latent moon
Is mega possible
then get it 🔫
latent moon
hera is probably the easiest for unmodded
rustic vale
I watched a sub 3 routed today
Was it mine?
latent moon
literally just need crush shot
latent moon
only eris and talos have it
twilit lodge
Man had like 50 ichors
latent moon
oh i thought it was 3:45 nvm sub3 lmfao
twilit lodge
Which explained why tf he was doing the weird stuff he was doing
Like killing shades in sissy room
And opening the codex to Poseidon a lot
But it works, he had hella ixions in the shop and ichors
twilit lodge
And was taking enshrouded like it was nothing
latent moon
routed moment
twilit lodge
What’s everyone’s most used boons
Man the permanent record is full of nostalgia
Used ares aid 3 times for 2 clears of 0 heat, fastest one was 29 minutes lmao
native blade
Appraisal True Shot, lol.
twilit lodge
Strong drink nearly a flawless boon for me
native blade
native blade
Strong drink nearly a flawless boon for me
What does it do again?
twilit lodge
Fountains heal you to full and give you a permanent damage bonus
3-5%
Apparently Artemis special is not a good fit for you
rustic vale
What’s everyone’s most used boons
Heart of stone probably
dusky cypress
https://imgur.com/a/ElbxX2w
currently in styx w/ flurry jab and serrated joint, between sea storm and breaking waves which do I take?
dusky cypress
wait I have typhoons fury too
nvm I'm not even accepting the disc answer if its storm lol
I got it from an anvil
rustic vale
You want one or the other not both
dusky cypress
I know anvils suck
rustic vale
Sea storm
dusky cypress
meh
rustic vale
dusky cypress
that sounds cool but I'm also not a speedrunner/don't care
rustic vale
Otherwise you would’ve
rustic vale
that sounds cool but I'm also not a speedrunner/don't care
It isn’t hard
And it makes anvil less of a trap option and more of a bonus
twilit lodge
Sea storm since you went with Poseidon attack
rustic vale
you just buy anvil. Like the hammers it took/gave away? Don’t do anything
Otherwise, exit out, enter back in, cast or summon companion once, buy anvil
Rinse repeat casting or summoning one more time each time until wanted results are achieved
rustic vale
Sea storm since you went with Poseidon attack
That’s what I said
dusky cypress
I feel like I'm taking anvils when I already don't care about losing the hammer
twilit lodge
Well yeah anvils are for when you didn’t get a hammer you want/need
Which by definition means you have one you don’t care about losing
rustic vale
I feel like I'm taking anvils when I already don't care about losing the hammer
Knowing it lets you take hammer more freely when you have 1 hammer you don’t like or really want 2 hammers you don’t have
dusky cypress
yes I know certain hammers will actively hurt your build (first hammer I took the exploding one instead of vicious skewer for the minor prophecy progress)
twilit lodge
But you probably do have hammers you want to get
rustic vale
yes I know certain hammers will actively hurt your build (first hammer I took th...
Serrated flurry will hurt your build
latent moon
wait I have typhoons fury too
nvm I'm not even accepting the disc answer if its...
you're already in styx tho, you're hardly gonna get any more wall slams so sea storm's gonne get you more damage in dad fight
but whatever i guess prob too late
twilit lodge
Wallbang your dad for critical damage
latent moon
okay buddy
dusky cypress
yeah I got murked for having serrated and having 0 clue how to time 0.75x dashes
rustic vale
Which is why learn anvil manipulation
brisk trail
what cast is best for hera aspect
twilit lodge
Aphrodite
brisk trail
ok
brisk trail
y is aphrodite recommended for nearly everything
brisk trail
bruh ok
latent moon
yeah lol she has the highest damage atk, special, and cast
but also, her cast's main weakness is that it has no range and hera fixes that beautifully
and unlike other casts, once you shoot it, it doesn't fly to the other side of the room, it just drops right where you shoot it
latent moon
i still think hera is budget beo
latent moon
hunting blades hera
twilit lodge
SMH triple Aphrodite tart
native blade
So bloody close.
Also, Pressure Points are actually goated.
They activate based on every hit and they're very pom compatible.
latent moon
% based atk on fists is so based
twilit lodge
Literally nothing but Artemis cores
Just highrolled Demeter as my 4th god and got snurst from a random bag at ely endshop
latent moon
very nice
twilit lodge
Slow run but satisfying build
Heart rend mirage shot twin flurry Hera
8:30 heroes
(Enter) 💀
rustic vale
what cast is best for hera aspect
Obviously best hera build is aphro attack athena special arte cast pos dash
rustic vale
i still think hera is budget beo
Matty be like: I’m blocking your and coming to murder you
twilit lodge
Tiny vermin is pain with flurry hers
latent moon
Matty be like: I’m blocking your and coming to murder you
thank god
twilit lodge
Yeah I’m self employed
rustic vale
just one gig though
twilit lodge
Welcome to late stage capitalism
brisk trail
also talking about murder
I love how alecto and tisiphone disappear into a group of bats when you defeat them
twilit lodge
I wish Alecto and tisiphone would ||just disappear||
brisk trail
definitely Alecto
twilit lodge
More so Alecto
Brain cell
Gang
Oh wow
For some reason I was thinking the companions took 5 ambrosia for the last upgrade
So I thought I was gonna use up way more ambrosia than I actually needed
Time to start selling them for darkness
brisk trail
I mean you use darkness for stuff in the house right?
twilit lodge
To say the least
brisk trail
I need more ambrosia and titan blood at the moment
brisk trail
swim with the fish
become one with the sea
Honestly when I went to greece for the first time in hades it was so cool
twilit lodge
Tis
Mfw I never looked at the sunset before the credits
Gonna have to see that on my hell mode save
old dawn
Flame wheels Erebus <:zagcry:1012805268519780352>
pien
twilit lodge
Truly
twilit lodge
True
rustic vale
Time to start selling them for darkness
It doesn’t come up often enough
rustic vale
I mean you use darkness for stuff in the house right?
Yup, 325000 for resource director
native blade
twilit lodge
Rip
rich herald
Yup, 325000 for resource director
Sooooo my calculations on Monday that I was nowhere near done were uh
Well
I was right that I'm nowhere near done
That's
Hmm
Last night I learned the Night Mirror can bring Fated Persuasions to above 3 which added a minimum 9000 to my previous estimates of how much I need to be done with Darkness, more than doubling it, and then Nyx put a request in for the House Contractor and brought it up even more
And now I see this
I think I'm done trying to guess how much more I need
chilly edge
I MET THANATOS AWWWW
native blade
I MET THANATOS AWWWW <:zagluv:687002515069468715>
wLEZZZZ GOOOOO!!!!
native blade
<:zagsad:1012805275511701554>
L..
chilly edge
he's too cute
lean timber
front facing thanatos:
native blade
He looks weird when he smiles tho.
brisk trail
bruh did zagreus rly just have BDSM sex with megaera
wtf
i didnt expect this game to have nsfw
chilly edge
wait what???
remote iris
wait what???
yeah if you max affinity meg that can happen
chilly edge
we know everything