Okay
#h1-discussion
cyan crown
lean timber
dio call is extremely strong and becomes busted with smair
buoyant harbor
I just looked at my stats in the archive chamber, and apparently my PB was Achiles Spear with - among other things - Demeter Attack on Flurry Jab and Serrated Point, as well as Freezing Vortex + Black Metal.
It was also on my attempt #148, and I'm currently at 340 attempts. I should be able to beat this by now '^^
icy knoll
It was also on my attempt #148, and I'm currently at 340 attempts. I should be a...
gl!
where was your pb
~~also should probably go to #h1-for-new-players ~~
buoyant harbor
gl!
where was your pb
wym by "where"? In Hades, the video game '^^
rustic vale
wym by "where"? In Hades, the video game '^^
Probably like which escape attempt
Even though you already said that
icy knoll
and that number def depends on how many self destructs
i just thought "beat this" meant the game
icy knoll
well why would you need to go to the chamber to look at your pb you remember those things
rustic vale
~~well why would you need to go to the chamber to look at your pb you remember t...
You don’t if it was 200 runs ago 
icy knoll
i do
rustic vale
i do <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Your pb was 200 runs ago?
icy knoll
well it was a similar amount of time ago i think
rustic vale
either way they forgot and went back to check and they haven’t beat their pb in nearly 200 runs which is why they think they should’ve beat it by now
I think?
buoyant harbor
Sry I was just away from discord doing a run and I'm being talked about '^^
But yes I've escaped multiple times. I meant I can beat my pb. '^^
I haven't really done speedruns at all yet. Still doing the bounty hunts bc I'm a completionist. But once I'm done with those (which is soon) I wanna try and beat my pb.
rustic vale
do both at the same time
buoyant harbor
I wanna at least get sub 12:00 bc someone mentioned you get a specific Hermes dialogue from that?
rustic vale
Speedrun and get bounties
buoyant harbor
Oh yeah I'm trying to go fast in my bounty hunts, but for speedruns I'd tune the heat back down to 7.
rustic vale
I wanna at least get sub 12:00 bc someone mentioned you get a specific Hermes di...
I know you get the run victory message “hermes would be jealous” if you do
rustic vale
Oh yeah I'm trying to go fast in my bounty hunts, but for speedruns I'd tune the...
Should be 9
Speedrun heat is 9, fo2 and em2
buoyant harbor
Oh you're right. I counted wrong in my head.
Wait what's fo? I was only thinking about tight deadline and em.
buoyant harbor
Oh yeah I'm trying to go fast in my bounty hunts, but for speedruns I'd tune the...
Also I like Lucifer for my rail runs, but I'm not as fast with it as I am with other weapons.
rustic vale
Wait what's fo? I was only thinking about tight deadline and em.
Forced overtime
em2 makes lernie heads closer
Fo2 makes enemies come to your faster and if you have jolted it makes you deal more damage faster
So 9 heat is faster than 0 heat
icy knoll
fo2 also makes enemies spawn faster
buoyant harbor
I see, yes that makes sense.
I'm mostly staying away from fo for now bc it makes the run harder to complete in general.
Gonna go back to it once I'm done with my bounties though.
Currently on 15 heat rail, which means only 5 bounties left.
buoyant harbor
Speedrun heat is 9, fo2 and em2
Why would you not take tight deadline though? Doesn't 1 point in tight deadline disable survival rooms?
Wait what?
I could've sworn Than rooms did.
OH!
So opening the Character menu while you wait for Than's HP drop still does save time, right?
Bc I've noticed that that stops the timer while it otherwise keeps running.
Yeah I've done that a couple time too. That's good to have confirmation, thx ^^
raw herald
So opening the Character menu while you wait for Than's HP drop still does save ...
Yes but that’s illegal for speedrun.com
buoyant harbor
That's odd, but alright.
rustic vale
I'm mostly staying away from fo for now bc it makes the run harder to complete i...
Once you learn it you don’t take it off tbh
buoyant harbor
I just finished my 15 heat rail run with HL1, EM3, MM, and TD4. I might try to up FO instead of HL just to try it out 🤔
acoustic bolt
@brisk trail js3 + td3 sounds awful for getting out of tart alive. especially if your plan is for cast spec.
one of the rules for speedruns is that you have to show the previous death and the beginning of the run
so if you quit to menu that defeats the purpose
oh jolt also adds more than 100 dps for rod because it's keeping it on in times when i couldn't hit
rustic vale
so if you quit to menu that defeats the purpose
They don’t mean quitting to menu they mean pausing the game so than will drop heart without in game timer going
latent moon
Codex tech
acoustic bolt
They don’t mean quitting to menu they mean pausing the game so than will drop he...
oh my mistake. i have no idea then
latent moon
<@456226577798135808> js3 + td3 sounds awful for getting out of tart alive. esp...
Beo is probably the only one that can handle it easily lol
rustic vale
Wait they literally just said it was codex tech nevermind
At least I’m assuming they are with “character menu”
buoyant harbor
Codex and pause would effectively do the same thing in this context no
No they wouldn't. Codex lets Than move on, while pause also stops Than.
And yes, with Character menu I meant the Codex.
In my head it's always "C for Characters" smh
latent moon
Opening the codex is banned unless the game gives you a menu then you can use it
rustic vale
I got codex and pause functionality confused until bananas mentioned it
buoyant harbor
Yeah I got that.
rustic vale
buoyant harbor
Codex tech is the wording that speedrun.com uses to describe the aforementioned exploit.
(Opening codex to stop the timer while other things keep running)
raw herald
There’s a bug you can do with lava that pauses timer while the game runs on
Involves codex
buoyant harbor
Spawn manips are entirely irrelevant in Than rooms because the timer isn't running until you killed the last opponent.
Which I just learned.
Unless you count positioning yourself toward the exit for your last kill as "spawn manip".
buoyant harbor
Ah yes.
latent moon
tmw than takes like 20 seconds to actually leave or give you the heart and ruins your pb
dusa and zag have a fully platonic relationship idk where you're getting that from
wraith sand
Question
Do all casts have the same AOE effect on Beowulf?
latent moon
no
flood is the biggest i believe, passion is a relatively small radius
wait no trippy flare might be the largest
but yeah there are different sizes
they literally do not
it's literally platonic
they talk about just staying as friends
saying "I'll see you later" can literally mean just seeing each other in the lounge or whatever
ambrosia isn't a limited resource
you get plenty of it
it's literally not a hint
wraith sand
but yeah there are different sizes
but no difference besides the size and more obvious effects like Festive Fog?
latent moon
it's literally in the dialogue
latent moon
but no difference besides the size and more obvious effects like Festive Fog?
well apart from like the weak, knockback, crit chance, deflect, and rift
latent moon
meg doesn't take 10 ambrosia iirc
and each character have different relationships
just because dusa's is platonic doesn't mean meg's will
i'd know
because i've completed their bonds
i mean
sure
think what you will
acoustic bolt
Just in case anybody who is interested but doesn't check the mod discord much doesn't know, OlympusExtra added Hestia recently
latent moon
ayo really
acoustic bolt
So now it adds Apollo and Hestia
acoustic bolt
It's a mod that adds two new gods with voice lines to the game
It's very well done
latent moon
i doubt it
acoustic bolt
I don't know why
round summit
Spoiler: ||You get it back anyway||
cyan crown
Just in case anybody who is interested but doesn't check the mod discord much do...
Wait what
Hestia too now?-
acoustic bolt
yeah
worldly sierra
3/6 weapons cleared at heat 40 finally
Bow, blade, and spear next
Just cleared heat 40 with shield and a mom pom run, lol
brisk trail
3/6 weapons cleared at heat 40 finally
Bow, blade, and spear next
do arthur
for sword
it's still viable at 40
worldly sierra
It's not that Arthur isn't good (it is)... I just have a hard time adjusting my play style to it because of how slow it is
worldly sierra
I tell you what though.. I'm doing a blade run right meow, and I'll take Arthur
brisk trail
meow =^-^=
latent moon
arthur gaming
hey just because i said "arthur gaming" doesn't mean i like arthur at all lmao
worldly sierra
My biggest peeve about Arthur is how it randomly decides to dash lunge or dash swipe
It doesn't always do what I want it to
latent moon
lmfao rip handshake
high island
3/6 weapons cleared at heat 40 finally
Bow, blade, and spear next
Nice! Congratulations!
worldly sierra
Annnnnd died in 5th chamber 🤣🤣🤣
latent moon
based
latent moon
i personally wouldn't make it out of chamber 0 with arthur
worldly sierra
Didn't even make it to mid boss
latent moon
i would just not equip it
worldly sierra
The only build I can use with Arthur is Divine strike, and play tennis with the projectiles
brisk trail
https://youtu.be/VRlC5Jlxb1c arthur gaming 
latent moon
bruh lmfao
i mean you always have to show a death at the beginning to show the run's not seeded
twilit lodge
Oh damn I was hoping for a death montage
brisk trail
yeah that's why I kms'd at the start. You have to show that if you wanna submit to unseeded HH leaderboard.
twilit lodge
But muh streak
latent moon
cringe
brisk trail
latent moon
you can show a completed run tho
like, record yourself exiting after beating a run
and that'll count
brisk trail
yah
twilit lodge
Phew
brisk trail
this was ezier tho
twilit lodge
Muh streak intact
You’re saying it’s easier to die with Arthur than to complete a run huh 🤔
latent moon
or just submit to seeded lmao
twilit lodge
I believe it
brisk trail
easy easier to die with any weapon silly
twilit lodge
latent moon
i mean dying is faster than completing a run
brisk trail
also wtf green bingus
twilit lodge
Bingustein’s Monster
brisk trail
lol
acoustic bolt
If I have to do an arthur run it'll just be a splash dash run
latent moon
BASED
acoustic bolt
It's too hard and boring to go through everything now
brisk trail
i jumped from 32 to 40
acoustic bolt
Yeah just barely
latent moon
looking at your 36 pact, you just need to take like HL5, HS, and like JS1
i was gonna say ap1 but realized that you're taking CF2 lol
acoustic bolt
I'm not against changing whatever
latent moon
actually ngl cf2 might be lowkey screwing your runs over rn because it's hard to buy
when i did 40 i did cf0 ap1 i think
acoustic bolt
Lol for real I do end up taking money over hearts early a lot so I can buy
worldly sierra
Made it to Asphodel this time... Getting better with Arthur, lol
latent moon
Lol for real I do end up taking money over hearts early a lot so I can buy
on the contrary, if you just take the hearts you can naturally get enough gold to buy hearts
with cf0
acoustic bolt
HS is gonna murder me with my sloppy trap eating
latent moon
could take cf1 instead if you want
worldly sierra
Cleared Maegara with 0.28s left... Went in with 30s
latent moon
based
worldly sierra
Greater consecration ftw
acoustic bolt
You can be at 0 timer for a few seconds too
latent moon
depending on the aspect, dc1 or 2 can be fine
worldly sierra
You can be at 0 timer for a few seconds too
Allow me to rephrase... 0.28s with 3hp left
latent moon
oof lmao nice
acoustic bolt
Lol
latent moon
ngl for 40 heat as long as you dont take cp, ri, ap2, or js3 you'll be fine
acoustic bolt
on the contrary, if you just take the hearts you can naturally get enough gold t...
I was taking gold rooms to buy boons not hearts since they're like 270 each. Styx was just sad most of the time
latent moon
yeah cf hurts more than you think
acoustic bolt
So I ended up with way less health than I should and explode
acoustic bolt
I might try that at 37. If it's that big of a difference maybe my climb will be fun again
latent moon
fair
acoustic bolt
~20 spear runs for 36 was just getting boring though
latent moon
prob would knock off ap1 and hs/hl off my pact to get to 37
acoustic bolt
Oh cool don't have to explode because I can't help running over spikes
Does hs make lava worse too?
latent moon
First tick is 5
worldly sierra
That's my go to heat 40 pact
Though, with Arthur... Not the best
Probably better to take off DC and go routine inspection
No, because I like to have the option of stubborn roots actually doing something
Roots is just a safety net vs bosses. TD2 no big deal. You're either on the razor's edge for time after biome 1, or you end up with plenty to mess around with
It is to me
signal aspen
No, because I like to have the option of stubborn roots actually doing something
- Stubborn roots isn't great
- Stubborn roots still works on lc4
worldly sierra
1. Stubborn roots isn't great
2. Stubborn roots still works on lc4
So they fixed it then? I recall it not working on LC4 for a while
vital tapir
you have to stall for like a minute for stubborn roots to save 1 hit vs hades with HL5
worldly sierra
you have to stall for like a minute for stubborn roots to save 1 hit vs hades wi...
I don't stall. I just battle as always, and let the HP Regen. It does help, especially when you have sure footing and other damage reduction to mitigate.
Has saved me many, many times
Traps suck. Especially Hades traps
signal aspen
Just disable them with Arthur
worldly sierra
I don't go out of my way to get sure footing, but I take it if it's there
All my runs I start with mom pom, I don't seed anything
Because I like the randomness
Work with what you get
No, that's just annoying
Lol
worldly sierra
Random is good. Zero choice is not
Which is why I don't generally bother with heat higher than 40
Perhaps
Also... Fun issue for me
More than skill issue
worldly sierra
Skill issue
😆
The only weapon I ever came close to completing a heat 50 run with was Demeter fist.
I may try it again one day.... But first... Heat 40 all weapons, then I'll worry about that
I put this game down for nearly a year. Just came back, but had it since Beta
rich gulch
Hades would be improved if Zagreus had access to a dirtbike.
deft canyon
I liek when u buy the Dionysos Poster that Zagreus says to health and Hades says "HAHAHAHAH HEALTHY? HIM?"
Or something like that
Or how Hypnos laughs at u for dying to a Tiny vermin
worldly sierra
Well... Hades spear with thunder flourish, double strike and splitting bolt after Tatarus ... This might work
Exploding launcher now, lol
brisk trail
hades would be improved if you could use thans scythe
rustic vale
Ap2 isn’t real if you route your runs
worldly sierra
Ap2 isn’t real if you route your runs
I personally consider that cheating, but to each their own
rustic vale
I didn’t feel like adding a slash jay
vital tapir
7 heat seeded
shadow pivot
Without artemis is crit chance default 0%?
raw herald
Yes
shadow pivot
So if you have Deadly Reversal on top of something that has 0% crit chance, does it become 20%, or do you need some intial boost like pressure points?
raw herald
Well you’re very unlikely to even get deadly reversal without having a crit core boon
But if you have 0% crit chance, deflecting an attack will indeed give you 20% for a couple seconds
shadow pivot
Yeah but if your crit core is, say, cast. Your attack is still 0%. Does deadly reversal make it 20?
brisk trail
yes
raw herald
If you deflect something, yeah
shadow pivot
Ok. I was always under the impression I had to have pressure points lol
When you have Blinding Flash (deflect abilities make foes exposed) does the +backstab damage occur on the first hit, or does the first hit only set the debuff?
rustic vale
So if you have Deadly Reversal on top of something that has 0% crit chance, does...
It works the same way pressure points does where it gives everything crit chance
twilit lodge
Can you imagine
shadow pivot
For some reason I always assumed it could only give crit to something that already had a chance to crit
hardy spear
man how did i first try 45 heat but it's taken me about 15 tries to get to lernie in 50 heat
swift inlet
Heat gets exponentially more difficult
signal aspen
5 heat is pretty hard for me
safe tinsel
Me failing 0 heat like 60 to 70 times now
hardy spear
i havent actually had to learn to dodge until now
im going to have nightmares of unamoured witch rooms with a bunch of traps
vagrant rapids
god i love aspect of demeter so much
brisk trail
god i love aspect of arthur so much
vagrant rapids
im gonna umlock it after this run i think
hardy spear
whats the chance for clockets again?
rustic vale
whats the chance for clockets again?
Depends on which one you take first
hardy spear
i remember it being about 1/3 that youll see either rocket bomb or cluster bomb in a run
cluster first gives a hugher chance right?
livid crescent
if i forgot to equip the right keepsake and give up a second into a run, does that count as an "attempt"?
rustic vale
yes
rustic vale
if i forgot to equip the right keepsake and give up a second into a run, does th...
Nooe
livid crescent
uhh
rustic vale
Giving up sends you back to before you started the run
livid crescent
ok, other question: who's best companion?
rustic vale
meg is used for speedrunning
livid crescent
why?
latent moon
still really good overall tho
rustic vale
It’s fast good damage with good aoe right
latent moon
yeah
rustic vale
I use antos exclusively because they’re cute
livid crescent
yeah was gonna say why not antos/achilles
rustic vale
cluster first gives a hugher chance right?
Yes
latent moon
yeah was gonna say why not antos/achilles
doesn't work as well against witches circle, power couple, and heroes
and middle management styx
true
livid crescent
can you control the direction of the line meg takes?
latent moon
yeah
livid crescent
ok, ty
vital tapir
the only reason for antos is if you’re concerned about losing to furies
hardy spear
antos was probably designed with heroes fight in mind considering theres two of them plus patroclus lives in elysium
nah sneak is free
latent moon
antos was probably designed with heroes fight in mind considering theres two of ...
meg still works better there lmao
hardy spear
meg still works better there lmao
yeah kinda funny how easy it is to hit both of them with meg
latent moon
nah sneak is free
doomstone is more free
rustic vale
It’s really funny that theseus screams whatever about fallen heroes and achilles has returned when you drop antos on them
hardy spear
theseus is funny
find yourself a partner as loyal, humble and strong as asterius tho
latent moon
true
sly ridge
so im continuing my zeus run
hopefully i can find the sack this chamber
so i dont die
i never switched to thunder signet
and i never got a zeus boon
im still doing the run with aphro attack and athena special
OH THANK GOD
sack 2nd chamber
now i have 84 more health to lose in 10 seconds
now i get to see funny em4 hades
oh nahh bro yeeting his spear at me
sly ridge
bro he summoned a butterfly ball
latent moon
oh yeah lmfao
rustic vale
they do tend to teleport around
sly ridge
wait so they go invisible too
rustic vale
or actually maybe they just disappear idk I don’t remember em4 that well
latent moon
this is an em4 moment
sly ridge
and i have died
sly ridge
i guess ill do thunder signet this run
rare lightning strike, epic electric shot, and rare thunder dash
should i just reroll
sly ridge
ok rare thunder flourish now
sly ridge
epic deadly strike, true shot, or hunter dash
ancient crest
So re: Meg, aiming her is related to where you stand and the direction you’re facing but it’s a bit weird - this guide is now outdated for witches (there’s a consistent 4 witch setup now) but the other setups I believe haven’t changed much https://youtu.be/G-Iovk-sbe8
sly ridge
i feel like hunter dash would be best
rustic vale
Can really take any I guess
sly ridge
cuz i kinda want aphro strike
rustic vale
Yeah I was going to say an option is true shot and then force athena strike in for deadly reveral
sly ridge
i already picked hunter dash
latent moon
welp
sly ridge
first hammer
breaching rush, charged shot, ferocious guard
id prob pick charged if i was using beo
rustic vale
charged shot imo but ferocious guard is also an option worth considering
Every shield loves charged shot
sly ridge
reasonable
rustic vale
Yes
sly ridge
yeah but for bull rush
rustic vale
Rush does more damage to shields
sly ridge
but why would i need that on bull rush
ancient crest
id prob pick charged if i was using beo
Yeah it’s the best Beowulf hammer for sure
sly ridge
if i already do a lot by end game
latent moon
ngl idk if cshot really is that important on zeus shield lol
sly ridge
from my flourish
latent moon
i guess i'd still take it
but honestly the iframes from the bull rush are super nice for zeus
latent moon
if cshot wasn't there i'd take ferocious or breaching
rustic vale
Free additive and if you have RD even more free additive
sly ridge
i didnt realize hunter dash was a core boon
latent moon
too slow buddy
rustic vale
Stop being faster
sly ridge
yeah but i thought it was like the hermes boons
rustic vale
It’s not like the hermes boons
latent moon
hermes literally doesn't give you any cores
snow skiff
ngl idk if cshot really is that important on zeus shield lol
Cshot kinda broken tho
sly ridge
yeah i didnt think hunter dash would be a core boon
ancient crest
I could see why if you haven’t played a ton you might think that but yeah attack, special, cast, dash are all core
latent moon
just because your dash does no damage and only modifies damage doesn't mean it's not a core
latent moon
Cshot kinda broken tho
true but also i've grown to appreciate non cshot zeus as being pretty strong
ancient crest
You can always sell it though and Artemis is never bad to have in your pool
latent moon
you can bull rush to your shield to pick it up
sly ridge
just because your dash does no damage and only modifies damage doesn't mean it's...
nothing before now that ive seen has applied to this
this is quite literally the first hunter dash ive seen
latent moon
if it was your first that would mean you just got the prophecy thingy for it
but also, every god's atk special dash cast and call are all cores
call's a bit weird but yeah
sly ridge
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> if it was your first that would mean you just got t...
i havent finished quite a few god prophecies
rustic vale
but also, every god's atk special dash cast and call are all cores
Lightning reflexes >>>> thunder dash
latent moon
yeah
ancient crest
this is quite literally the first hunter dash ive seen
Yeah if you’re newer to the game it might not be obvious, but when you open your boon screen all the ones on the left in diamonds or whatever are core
sly ridge
Yeah if you’re newer to the game it might not be obvious, but when you open your...
yeah ive realized that
rustic vale
Lightning reflexes >>>> thunder dash
does almost the same thing effectively in combat, you just can’t open t2’s or duos or splitting bolt with it
Jolted procs splitting bolt and splitting bolt procs jolted right
latent moon
probably
latent moon
divine strike, holy shield, sure footing
strike isn't bad here unless you really really want aphro atk
rustic vale
Divinie strike imo but idk maybe somone else has a better idea
sly ridge
if i do get strike
latent moon
sure footing if you're running high security i dont think you are
sly ridge
would i just not be able to get aphro strike
rustic vale
would i just not be able to get aphro strike
You could exchange it if that came up
latent moon
replacement boons dont come by easily
ancient crest
Jolted procs splitting bolt and splitting bolt procs jolted right
Since jolted damage applies when an enemy who’s been hit with lightning tries to attack afterward I think the only role splitting bolt would play is if the extra projectiles hit the enemy
rustic vale
Since jolted damage applies when an enemy who’s been hit with lightning tries to...
It’s not when they try to move it’s when they attack btw
ancient crest
It’s not when they try to move it’s when they attack btw
Cool ty it’s been awhile
sly ridge
i guess ill do strike
ancient crest
Edited to avoid misinfo
rustic vale
I think splitting bolt hitting an enemy gives them jolted iirc
And I think jolted procing on an enemy causes splitting bolt to happen
iirc
rustic vale
Edited to avoid misinfo
👍
latent moon
I think splitting bolt hitting an enemy gives them jolted iirc
And I think jolte...
wouldn't the base lightning strike also give them jolted anyways
ancient crest
Anyway re: Sure Footing, one advantage is it doesn’t block poms
ancient crest
wouldn't the base lightning strike also give them jolted anyways
Yeah that’s what I was getting at earlier, it’s just whatever lightning damage they take.
latent moon
true but also you dont want to give up the chance of a good atk boon
latent moon
Yeah that’s what I was getting at earlier, it’s just whatever lightning damage t...
i mean yeah but also, whether or not splitting does give enemies jolted is more or less irrelevant because they're gonna be jolted anyways
rustic vale
wouldn't the base lightning strike also give them jolted anyways
That doesn’t answer my question though
latent moon
well it doesnt answer the second half
ancient crest
i mean yeah but also, whether or not splitting does give enemies jolted is more ...
Yup
livid crescent
does the garden ever become renovate-able ?
livid crescent
lame, i have thing
latent moon
shiny
twilit lodge
But more things would also be cool
livid crescent
but you can't admire it like the other thing in bedroom
livid crescent
but its not the same
twilit lodge
4player Beowulf 64 heat when
worldly sierra
Every shield loves charged shot
I dunno... I find when I take charged shot with Chaos aspect, it messes with the flow and rhythm of of how I like to play it.
I'd rather rush through mobs or bosses then special them from behind...
But like it for all other aspects
latent moon
funny enough, the special on the chaos aspect is much worse than it seems
livid crescent
a 2 player deathmatch would be cool, go through and build up your character, then the final boss is player 2
worldly sierra
It was MUCH better before it got nerfed
But it's still strong with the right build
latent moon
the right build is just cshot spam lmao
worldly sierra
Zeus or Dionysus plus dread flight
latent moon
a 2 player deathmatch would be cool, go through and build up your character, the...
damage values would have to get changed a lot
or hp values
we had this discussion here before
latent moon
literally gets one shot by beo lmfao
twilit lodge
See how much quicker it can be speedrun with two beos
Probably only very slightly quicker
livid crescent
whatever they do to skelly summon maybe, like if you try hitting it yourself
raw herald
Aspho and ely rooms would be much nicer
twilit lodge
Oh death match Zz
latent moon
Aspho and ely rooms would be much nicer
stairs room 
raw herald
Donuts worse
worldly sierra
Does anyone actually use any cthonic companion except for Skelly?
He's too good, lol
raw herald
At least you can kinda manipulate stairs
latent moon
true
raw herald
Does anyone actually use any cthonic companion except for Skelly?
He's too good...
Battie 100% of the time
Skelly has pretty low hp
twilit lodge
Skelly ||hogs the auto aim smh||
worldly sierra
Skelly has pretty low hp
Sure, but it's like having Athena's Aid for a while. Take Erebus 100% in any zone, and makes bosses and mid boss rooms easier
rustic vale
Does anyone actually use any cthonic companion except for Skelly?
He's too good...
This is ironic right?
worldly sierra
This is ironic right?
No
rustic vale
Oh no
latent moon
Sure, but it's like having Athena's Aid for a while. Take Erebus 100% in any zon...
i'd personally just not get hit
twilit lodge
I had an Erebus room earlier ugh
So many pillars
Witches
And I’m playing hestia
worldly sierra
i'd personally just not get hit
Ah yes, the classic retort 😆
twilit lodge
No damage taken but it took ages
rustic vale
I’d personally just kill everything prior to taking any damage
worldly sierra
No damage taken but it took ages
This is why I use Skelly. Can't waste time when you have a 7min timer. Skill issue for me I suppose
I'd rather brute force Erebus than bounce around
latent moon
or dont take erebus lol
twilit lodge
Just ||get hit so you can unlock the red onion codex fully||
worldly sierra
or dont take erebus lol
That's crazy talk
rustic vale
Can waste time when you have td3 so you can waste time when you have td2 as well
latent moon
i haven't taken an erebus gate in months lmao
latent moon
probably because it's a speedrun timeloss and at high heat you're too likely to get damaged
twilit lodge
I’ll take an Erebus gate right now bro dare me to do it fuggin dare me to bro!!!
rustic vale
Fo2 erebus gates are gaming
twilit lodge
You think I won’t take an Erebus gate??!
rustic vale
You think I won’t take an Erebus gate??!
Yes I don’t
rustic vale
Honestly erebus hammer should be a thing
If you get it you get 4 options instead of 3
worldly sierra
Fo2 erebus gates are gaming
You mean bp2
latent moon
both
rustic vale
Honestly erebus hammer should be a thing
If you get it you get 4 options instead...
Unfortunately it isn’t
latent moon
wrong reply dammit
rustic vale
You mean bp2
I mean dc2 bp2 cp2 fo2 js3
twilit lodge
What if ap2 ||removed exit options too||
latent moon
Honestly erebus hammer should be a thing
If you get it you get 4 options instead...
tmw modded only gives you 1
rustic vale
tmw modded only gives you 1
Modded is for people who aren’t me
latent moon
lmao
ancient crest
Does anyone actually use any cthonic companion except for Skelly?
He's too good...
Dunno about other contexts but for speedruns Meg’s the go-to, but optimal doesn’t necessarily equal most fun 🙂
worldly sierra
Yeah, I'm not a speedrunner
twilit lodge
Alexa how do I mod my switch
latent moon
bouldy is also good
ancient crest
Yeah, I'm not a speedrunner
Exactly lol
latent moon
1k damage and healing + gold
ancient crest
Not as in you can’t but it’s easy to lose sight of the fact that most players aren’t trying to do hyper optimal speed strats 👍
twilit lodge
He lands right on top of you prett quickly
latent moon
Bouldy is good for sneak
eh it'll have the same effect as meg tbh
worldly sierra
Nobody uses the ambiguously gay duo over Megs?
twilit lodge
ambiguously
worldly sierra
~~ambiguously~~
Lol
twilit lodge
MM slam dancers 👯♀️
I actually had meg hit 3 of them earlier
I was impressed with myself
rustic vale
Alexa how do I mod my switch
I wouldn’t recommend it
rustic vale
Nobody uses the ambiguously gay duo over Megs?
Purely because antos is cuter and not for gameplay reasons
rustic vale
Hard disagree I just don’t like him
twilit lodge
It’s okay to have opinions that are wrong
worldly sierra
I remember summoning Dusa for the first time and being incredibly disappointed
rustic vale
It’s okay to have opinions that are wrong
Yeah dw about it you can be wrong if you want to
twilit lodge
Dusa summon is very sub
The only nice thing is that it lasts a long time so you don’t risk missing your one or two shots
rustic vale
Bouldy summon meta 😳switch over to +15% per biome and pop all your bouldys in tart
twilit lodge
All the speed runners use that
worldly sierra
Why did nobody tell me this 😳
Did you know... Artemis casts and summons pierce shields
There you go
snow skiff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1027354759314804848/IM...
wtf
time to fact check
rustic vale
Did you know... Artemis casts and summons pierce shields
I circled mirage shot for a reason
worldly sierra
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> I circled mirage shot for a reason <:bouldy:5233291...
Why wouldn't it though?
twilit lodge
It might only apply to the second shot
rustic vale
Why wouldn't it though?
Did you think it did before you read that?
I literally had never heard of this
worldly sierra
Did you think it did before you read that?
Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, unless you've paid attention, it wouldn't be apparent
twilit lodge
Go test it with mirage shot on a non flare cast
rustic vale
Idk usually things just die before it matters
latent moon
i know the actual flare is blocked, but idk about the mirage shot flare
rustic vale
hades wiki being unreliable for once 😳
snow skiff
so beo i guess
no
rustic vale
idk if it’s unreliable otherwise
snow skiff
rmacinty
latent moon
so true
chilly flume
I've been reading about boons limitations, as in you can't have more than 4 Gods + Hermes.
Are Chaos' trials among those "4 Gods" things?
latent moon
no
mint coral
you still can get 5+ gods with their respective keepsakes too
or through mid shop if you have 3 gods
rustic vale
I've been reading about boons limitations, as in you can't have more than 4 Gods...
You can get 8 gods if you get lucky in tart then force in every other biome
8 gods not counting hermes or chaos
9 gods if you count bouldy
chilly flume
I don't think that is good except for Family Favourite? Right?
I mean, I can't really feel like it would benefit a build
mint coral
even for FF is not good
chilly flume
Lol
mint coral
cuz yeah you wont really get a chance at a build lol
chilly flume
It has a hard cap?
mint coral
nah you can get 45% if you get 8 olympians + hermes
good luck getting the actual boons you want tho
latent moon
just git gud tbh
signal aspen
nah you can get 45% if you get 8 olympians + hermes
Only time ff is better than ps ngl
lean timber
literally
chilly flume
I can beat the game "decently consistently" with Aphrodite and Demeter builds but I'm currently hunting the prophecies and that is making me feel I don't know how to play this game enough
rustic vale
I don't think that is good except for Family Favourite? Right?
It would be for the lol’s to even try
latent moon
it do be like that
rustic vale
It wouldn’t be serious it would be bad
chilly flume
Mostly random stuff thrown together, yeah
latent moon
that might be the issue
rustic vale
Should ask for legit builds here 👍or experiment on your own
use gaming journals and reddit as a what not to build guide
…definitely
mint coral
sea storm arthur moment
latent moon
sea storm arthur is based wdym
chilly flume
I feel like I've gotten only a good build in my 30-ish runs, but a couple of wins among those games
I'm still fairly new
Just realised changing keepsakes mid run is very fun
4 wins, iirc. One of them was a repeat with spear because I'm dumb
mint coral
just buy the dds back
rustic vale
Atleast I have hoarding slash as well
because my other options were dash nova and cruel thrust
latent moon
lmfao
rustic vale
I kinda have a massive sword skisssue
It’s my worst pb by a minute or 2
My pb is zag sword with hoarding slash and piercing wave
It’s a smair build with rd
Vrej
Have fun with 3 minutes styx
raw herald
Wtf vrej
rustic vale
Second hammer or second hermes? First chamber of elysium
raw herald
What aspect and what hammer/Hermes do you already have
rustic vale
Nemesis
Purple hs
Hoarding slash
raw herald
Hermes
raw herald
🗿
snow skiff
done
raw herald
Ooh some damage (at last)
chilly flume
Okay, Athena call with Hermes + Zeus boon is a free win?
Everytime Redacted tried to hit me, I had reflect up or ready
That was amazing lol
Or is that Aphrodite?
livid crescent
so, individual room in satyr tunnels count as encounters for mommy keepsake, but do they not for the plume or the butterfly?
brisk trail
yes
rustic vale
so, individual room in satyr tunnels count as encounters for mommy keepsake, but...
Yup
livid crescent
yes, they don't count for the other two?
rustic vale
what else does yes mean
boreal pike
Hello! I've been playing hades for years, and I figured it was about time to join the discord with other fans
latent moon
Heck yeah buddy
Be prepared to be wrong about every build you use lmao
Because that's what happened to me
boreal pike
I'm happy to listen!
Also, I LOVE Darren Korb, he makes the music for a lot of these games (if not all) and I've been meaning to dive into pyre and transistor, but thats not the point here
latent moon
Korbin time
boreal pike
Whats your favorite and least favorite weapon?
rustic vale
Spreadfire zag rail and chaos shield respectively
Bro
Don’t spread copy pasta to new people
boreal pike
I have a love hate relationship with the shield. I love it because it blocks, but I dont like it overall
rustic vale
Is not safe for their health
boreal pike
What does chaos aspect do again?
boreal pike
Aaaaahhh, I see
latent moon
Favorite beo, least favorite every spear
boreal pike
Hey @brisk trail whats your favorite weapon and least favorite
What do people think of the twin fists (I dislike all of them respectively)
latent moon
Same
boreal pike
The fists are good, but hard to use
latent moon
They're not hard to use imo they're just limited in capability
rustic vale
The fists are not as good as the rest objectively
But I find them fun
boreal pike
Idk, I feel like they CAN be good
latent moon
Merciful end or zap fists are really strong for it
boreal pike
You're right shackle
latent moon
But ME is super high roll and zap fists is kinda just budget rail
boreal pike
I want to say the bow and arrow with chiron is my favorite, but its too easy
latent moon
No
boreal pike
What is a copypasta
latent moon
Copy paste of a certain text
rustic vale
They’re memes
Don’t take them seriously please
boreal pike
Oh, I see. Like how people make masterpieces of commas and periods? Or spam
boreal pike
Copy paste of a certain text
I figured by the name
lean timber
hey guys, did you know that if you get epic sw
boreal pike
I replied to the wrong person
boreal pike
I meant to reply to shackle
boreal pike
hey guys, did you know that if you get epic sw
Finish your sentence, I'd like to hear this out of curiousity
lean timber
boreal pike
I'm scared
lean timber
hey guys, did you know that if you get epic swift strike on rama, your standing strikes are only two frames slower than a dash strike? that means that you can attack just as fast as a dash strike and avoid the 30% damage penalty that comes with dash strikes! this could revamp the entire rama meta honestly we just need to find a practical way to apply it
boreal pike
What does SW mean
rustic vale
Epic swift strike
lean timber
south west
boreal pike
I've done that before
lean timber
you will quickly discover that you cannot
rustic vale
Tell him how bad hera is
worldly sierra
hey guys, did you know that if you get epic swift strike on rama, your standing ...
Wait.... Aren't dash strikes more powerful than standing strikes? I'm confused
worldly sierra
Interesting... Must be because I love using fists, so my interpretation is skewed
I never noticed bow Dash strikes did less damage
Sword and fist does more
Shield is equal
Spear does less
rustic vale
Wait.... Aren't dash strikes more powerful than standing strikes? I'm confused
They’re faster
worldly sierra
Never actually noticed lol
rustic vale
That’s the important part
rich gulch
It's nonsensical that they should do less damage at all, realistically speaking.
vital tapir
the dps is probably similar
brisk trail
doesnt count if you use god mode
latent moon
lmao
if you really wanna go to big boi heats, 40/45/50 are pretty high but doable
is this ely
why ask then
dio aid is 100% the right choice
brisk trail
Hey
rustic vale
Hey
brisk trail
How much fan fiction has been made of Hades
brisk trail
There are a little over 5200 works on ao3
Tbh I want to make a fic about a son of Zeus and showing what it will be like ti fight the king of the gods
brisk trail
The game
brisk trail
I thought about making him a son of Hera and Zeus
rustic vale
At that point why not just make your own character?
brisk trail
At that point why not just make your own character?
That is what I am doing.
I want to experiment with the other gods being bosses so my Idea is a child of Zeus and Hera. I may do another goddess but one ides is that he inherited something from both of them. He has lighting in his hair and the beauty from Hera but also has that temper. Like that is the reason why he gets in trouble alot and unlike Hades Zeus is not as patient. Sometimes Hera will have him punish Zeus's lovers which may incur the wrath of Zeus. It is quite a relationship and he does confide in Hephaestus as he wants someone to talk to. I did have an idea that he gets boons from Hades and posideon when he is in his little fights with Zeus.
brisk trail
At that point why not just make your own character?
Is that what you mean
Ah I went with godling since that is the only way it can be a proper boss fightb
latent moon
tmw you dont finish the story
it takes a while to develop a game
esp if it's an indie company
small team means longer development process
lean timber
there's no sequel
rustic vale
do you want the spoilers?
lean timber
i unblocked u frames before you reacted to my message btw
rustic vale
i unblocked u frames before you reacted to my message btw
You blocked me?
lean timber
yeah i told u i did
rustic vale
That isn’t happening either
lean timber
*almost certainly not happening
rustic vale
Destiny 2 💪
lean timber
because they're happy with the story as it is rn
rustic vale
Because the game is finished
the story concludes
And they have new games to develop
What would they even make the sequel on
lean timber
oh they have plenty of bread on the table
lean timber
hadeez 2
lean timber
I DID IT BECAUSE YOU KEPT MAKING FUN OF HERA BOW NOT BECAUSE OF THE PINGS
you dense worm
lean timber
latent moon
it's not about the money, it's about actually creating a good story with good gameplay
rustic vale
is a good weapon
latent moon
sgg's previous games probably didn't make as much money or whatever (i didn't check anything just a presumption considering how Hades centric this server is) but they're still amazing games
slim geyser
transistor my love
slim geyser
sgg's previous games probably didn't make as much money or whatever (i didn't ch...
Tbf hades is also the newest game so
lean timber
what's translator
rustic vale
I’m not buying any until the supergiant from supergiant games apologises for stealing my sub0 zag sword speed run
latent moon
Tbf hades is also the newest game so
thats also true
latent moon
yep
the game already is complete, pretty much every loose end is tied up
adding more stuff is just gonna make it more muddled
like, if you introduce more gods it's gonna be like "why haven't i heard of you, where were you this whole time" sorta deal and then they're gonna have to have relations with various gods and whatever
it's a whole mess
rustic vale
No new people
Should add more dialogue
latent moon
if you want more gods the OlympusExtra mod just added hestia
already has apollo
both voice acted
rustic vale
No new people
Should add more dialogue
Atleast 1000 more lines per character
latent moon
true
rustic vale
Atleast 1000 more lines per character
Including housing contractor and resource director and trade broker
Where my asterius keepsake?
slim geyser
if you want more gods the OlympusExtra mod just added hestia
ohhh i wanna play with hestia
latent moon
ngl i have no idea what either of the two new gods do but props to the mod team for developing them
slim geyser
i think apollo gives enemies like a miss chance iirc
slim geyser
No idea
livid crescent
is it possible to kill asterius 1v1 ?
livid crescent
dang
i just finished my minor list of prophecies. ready for the major list i guess 🙂
latent moon
you sure you get the prereqs
also the miniboss is a 50/50 between him and butterfly ball
and you're always gonna see miniboss in ely basically
cyan crown
So far Luci has the best design in the game
lean timber
asterius will comment something when he sees you wearing the fists, but once he does that you can run anything. if you find him again, he should give you the phrase no matter what weapon you wield
fists really don't need the hidden aspect it's a little poopy
fair and true
i felt the same way
but some people don't care
latent moon
I wonder what Beowulf's like
big nuke
lean timber
dinner plate
latent moon
well the first one
there's 2 dialogues
the first one you have to use the fists
the second one you can use whatever
iirc
lean timber
like i said. once you meet him with the fists one time and he says "i see you're wearing the gauntlet of blah blah blah i like your cut G" you can take them off. all you have to do is find him again in a different run and he'll say he had a dream about them and give you the phrase
yeah
skill issue
old belfry
i like ya cut, G
latent moon
well assuming you already got the first quote then yeah
indigo plover
can anyone explain why beowulf / trippy shot is good? i know dmg is good but like, it takes forever to get the crystals back
and or hera
latent moon
that's why you pray for more casts from chaos and auto reload from hermes
they're good as long as you get those
lean timber
hera is good because it's like beo with better range, better frame data and less bugs
latent moon
for high heat, aphro on beo
for a pact with no approval process, flood flare
hera is always aphro
dio cast is way too high roll to be consistent
when it does come together it's really strong tho
indigo plover
wordd. i got dio beowulf w scintalling and ice wine earlier and it was nice but... how long it stays on the ground is ;/ 2k dmg burst every 5s is bad compared to artemis uppercuts or something imo
lean timber
there is one situation where aphro cast isn't required on hera...
indigo plover
i ran aphro hera yesterday and it was odd to aim, a lot of the time the cast went past the enemy
i guess not aiming right tho
lean timber
i ran aphro hera yesterday and it was odd to aim, a lot of the time the cast wen...
this is hammer-dependent. on base hera it works right almost all the time. chain shot causes issues, as does one other i can't remember
latent moon
i guess not aiming right tho
prob cause of isometric view
indigo plover
word ill try again after this run. demeter fist artemis special = such god
almost beat my record for sword earlier, missed it by 10s X_X
lean timber
uh... dem fists dem special...
indigo plover
nemesis is just not as good as arthur imo
lean timber
is almost always going to do better
indigo plover
think so?
lean timber
yeah
indigo plover
i thought artemis hm
lean timber
or aphrodite
lean timber
well artemis can sometimes be good, but the base % is often too low to be compensated for for crits
rustic vale
hera is good because it's like beo with better range, better frame data and less...
Uhhhh lies
latent moon
yeah
rustic vale
can anyone explain why beowulf / trippy shot is good? i know dmg is good but lik...
This is why you run stygian soul
indigo plover
just coming back to the game after 2 yrs haha hard to keep my skillz up
lean timber
well actually special scaling is a lot higher so arty might be valid ingnore me
run the game how you feel
indigo plover
This is why you run stygian soul
ahhhhhhh ok i never have thought that might be it
indigo plover
well actually special scaling is a lot higher so arty might be valid ingnore me
yea im at 90% in asphodel rn so
latent moon
ahhhhhhh ok i never have thought that might be it
oh yeah i forgot to mention that lol
rustic vale
ahhhhhhh ok i never have thought that might be it
without it it takes way took long to get your cast back
lean timber
yeah that's good ignore me i'm focused on attack arty because i run hera
indigo plover
ahhh thx guyz ❤️
lean timber
blehhh 😛
indigo plover
what yall think of chaos aspect shield? i keep hearing godly and meh
i know it used to be god lol
indigo plover
? in beta?
lean timber
oh i wasn't in beta
rustic vale
what yall think of chaos aspect shield? i keep hearing godly and meh
Hearing godly from where? Gaming journals and reddit?
lean timber
that is a very old vid
latent moon
? in beta?
Got nerfed heavily and now it sucks
rustic vale
It is the worst shield aspect maybe it was better in beta idk
indigo plover
oh really ok
lean timber
yeah it's not good anymore sadly. it's lots of fun tho
indigo plover
yeah beta had it so all shields had effect, ie all shields thrown put forth lighting bolts
indigo plover
i thought it was only one. yea idk i didnt play beta much but i know it was busted
lean timber
yeah that's how it works it just doesn't do it very well if that makes sense
chaos copypasta now
rustic vale
i thought it was only one. yea idk i didnt play beta much but i know it was bust...
Maybe charged flight was an option for it in beta
idk
indigo plover
whats yall fav achilles build? im REALLY liking it nowadays, i think its my fav wep but i end up just using demeter/aphro on atk w dash attack lol
rustic vale
Splash dash arte attsck aress cast