h1-discussion

[twilit lodge]

No

[acoustic bolt]

unfortunately the big secret is that his big swings are very telegraphed

[twilit lodge]

He does not scale so later is better

[acoustic bolt]

later gives yo ua better chance but the rewards do much less at that point

[reef glen]

Ok cool I'll try that. Recommended aspect?

[twilit lodge]

I should fight him again, I need to do that prophecy for Hermes

Is it two back to back runs?

[acoustic bolt]

it's much easier to beat him at range

no it's two back to back attempts

charon attempts i mean

[twilit lodge]

So just don’t die to him and fight him twice

[acoustic bolt]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

Or twice in one run

Kk

[acoustic bolt]

you can't kill him twice in one run unless you're using a mod to force sack spawn

[twilit lodge]

I’ll force a sack spawn

Or something

[acoustic bolt]

mom pom zeus shield run at 36?

why not

[twilit lodge]

I love mom pom in theory

[acoustic bolt]

walking into aspho with zeus shield i have:
lvl 4 purple ares attack
athena special
athena dash
lvl 2 purple impending doom
purple dire misfortune
purple greater evasion
and it was a mom pom run so i'm walking in with athena's keepsake

alrighty

[twilit lodge]

No more mom Pom rip

[acoustic bolt]

I just start with it and hope I find something early it can boost. I would have kept it if ME didn't matter so much

[short glen]

Consider not doing that with a weapon dependent on ME

[acoustic bolt]

huh?

[short glen]

Mom pom run

[acoustic bolt]

i donno maybe i should have said mom pom start instead of run

i happened to get ares and athena in tart so i decided to try to get ME. hard to base my weapon choice on information i don't have until the end of the first biome though

[short glen]

Oh.

[regal pawn]

is it worth upgrading god's legacy upgrade for duo boons or is it not worth it?

[rustic vale]

Pride is usually better

unless you’re aiming for like 3-4 legendaries and duos in a build

[latent moon]

Legacy is only good for getting mirage shot on beo, crystal clarity or hunting blades for Achilles, or sea storm for super soaker

[rustic vale]

Or super soaker for super soaker

[latent moon]

Or that

[rustic vale]

Arguably cshot tempest strike, normal rails with tempest strike and flurry shot bows/ relentless volley rama could all count as super soakers

[latent moon]

Okay buddy

[twilit lodge]

Unaruably

[rustic vale]

Do you want to hear about explosive launcher possibly being a super soaker as well?

[twilit lodge]

C9 huge catch 💪

[rustic vale]

C1 huge catch 💪

[twilit lodge]

C0 huge catch 💪

So I just beat lernie with zag spear with crush shot splash dash Zeus call smair

Never had attack or special boons show up that weren’t trash

[acoustic bolt]

Tight deadline just cost me my 2 extra dds against the champs because I was dumb and sold drunken flourish instead of purple swift flourish or curse of nausea on a Chiron run

[twilit lodge]

Should I just equip shackle at this point

[acoustic bolt]

Being barely carried by concentrated volley swift flourish using aphro special 😅

[twilit lodge]

I started with chain skewer for prophecy

Swift flourish Chiron is based

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah I just wish I got it on an Arty run instead of a dio run

If I could sell aphro special before Styx I'd just force Arty

[twilit lodge]

If it’s swift flourish epic it’s still worth with conc no matter what

[acoustic bolt]

It's slow is the problem

[twilit lodge]

Cuz your volleys chain into each other

[acoustic bolt]

I know but drunken or Arty clear normal rooms better

Ely took way too long and I only survived because I had extra dds

[plush lava]

What are poms

[acoustic bolt]

Smair is all you need

[plush lava]

Lol

I feel stupid for not knowing wtf they are

[acoustic bolt]

The fruits that level up your skills

[plush lava]

Ah

Of course

So I am stupid

👍

[acoustic bolt]

Me too

It's cool

[latent moon]

stupid gang let's go

[acoustic bolt]

I could have just sold ddash instead of rerolling hoping I'd hit ares attack but noooo I had to lose all my damage instead

Dumb

[latent moon]

f

being greedy with purging well happens to all of us lmao

[twilit lodge]

2nd hammer pulse spin, charged skewer, armor Pierce skewer

Rip

[latent moon]

wait charged skewer is actually great

[twilit lodge]

Explosive is

Charged not so much

[latent moon]

i mean what was your first one

[twilit lodge]

Chain skewer lol

[latent moon]

charged skewer still isn't bad

[twilit lodge]

I took breaching anyway woops

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[twilit lodge]

Is chain incompatible with explosive?

[signal aspen]

yeah

but that doesnt matter chain >>>>> explosive

[twilit lodge]

Gonna anvil scum so maybe I do more damage than just smair Zeus call

Dropped breaching skewer for flurry jab extending jab

[signal aspen]

is this zag spear gaming

[twilit lodge]

Yep

[signal aspen]

hell yeah

[acoustic bolt]

what is your attack?

[twilit lodge]

Shackle

[signal aspen]

wait zag spear is the only spear that can get both flurry and chain skewer

[acoustic bolt]

ah

[latent moon]

that is a spear hammer moment

[plush lava]

Do y’all use death defiance or stubborn defiance

[latent moon]

depends

death defiance for low heat, stubborn for higher

at low heat, normal rooms aren't that much of a concern and bosses are the biggest issue, so DD's are better

[signal aspen]

i dont use any defiances

mirrorless gang

[latent moon]

at higher heat, normal rooms are pretty difficult so stubborn defiance is used

[twilit lodge]

Lol dad banter about zag cleaning his room and dad having a boring room

[latent moon]

at least it's clean

[twilit lodge]

As I’m instaphasing him with call

Based zag featured houseservant

Oh snap dusa wants to talk in the bedroom

Finally I get my ambrosia back

[tepid light]

Me imagining doing em4 hades with no death defiances

Pure horror

[livid crescent]

does forced overtime include traps?

[rustic vale]

How would it even work on traps

[livid crescent]

idk, like isn't there a slight delay on floor spikes, so you can dash over them. but then it could make that delay even shorter

or the arrows could fire faster in elysium, or the repeatedly dropping blades in the styx tunnels would go at a faster pace

i mean, sometimes you can get away with dashing over them

[hardy spear]

if youre not getting 500+ trap damage per biome uoure doing it wrong

[short glen]

^

[lost hound]

beat hades the second time

this time i only had one death defiance and survived with 20 hp

i was playing much riskier this time

I should be doing supply runs

but what should i focus on, darkness or gems

i want to get more nectar

i havent been focusing on relationships

i also wanna decorate the house

[vital tapir]

yea you get enough eventually

if you’re gonna focus on something do titan blood

[lost hound]

hmm

i know

im gonna use the same weapon i have for my previous two runs, instead of collecting items from the 5 other weapons

is that just a thing can zagreus not sit

gosh i need to get good

i just died thrice to tisiphone using the gun

[rustic vale]

True skissue

How were you building your rail?

Which aspect? Which god?

[lost hound]

i just took it for the bonus darkness

ive just been taking any resouces, not focusing on getting out

[rustic vale]

But

that doesn’t change the questions unless you mean to say you literally just took it without any thought

And didn’t even try to build anything

[lost hound]

oh yeah pretty much

i just took the best-ish things i could find

which isnt alot

[rustic vale]

bruh

[latent moon]

Tmw you don't take Zeus atk

[rustic vale]

Not even a god keepsake?

[lost hound]

ive got zeus' cast

[rustic vale]

bruh

[lost hound]

demeter's healing

uh

[rustic vale]

Rail wants zeus on attack

[lost hound]

i took poseidon's keepsake

oh yeah i took poseidon's attack

:)

i was hoping to find ocean's bounty or something like that

[rustic vale]

bruh

you’ll actually get more resources

If you make a build to go far

[lost hound]

mm

oh well im already here

what weapons should ibe using

[rustic vale]

Whichever you feel comfy with

[lost hound]

im just staying in my comfort zone using the shield

but i want more resources

oh yeah

that was my second choice

[rustic vale]

I like fists

really

[latent moon]

If you really want to resource grind, just hope to get a good chaos eclipse boon

[rustic vale]

Just use whatever floats your boat

Try to use weapons you don’t every so often to learn them

[latent moon]

Or make a build with Poseidon as one of the cores and make sure it's actually good

Or ME without ME

[lost hound]

what are some poseidon focus builds then?

[rustic vale]

lucifer

Uh

100% of weapons love splash dash

[jade sinew]

Uhhhhh question

[rustic vale]

Any weapon can be a pos weapon with splash dash

[latent moon]

Hestia, start with tdash

[jade sinew]

Is shackle affected by ANY boon that increasing attack damage, or just the ones that go in that first slot?

[latent moon]

Achilles start with tdash

[rustic vale]

Just the cores

[jade sinew]

Nice

[rustic vale]

So chaos is free

[latent moon]

Sounds like a you issue tbh

Then don't

Nice

[rustic vale]

Chain already got broken

[lost hound]

whats a core

[rustic vale]

the

Main ones

They show up on the left

[lost hound]

oh okay i see

[rustic vale]

I can’t explain it much better than that

Because I can’t words

[lost hound]

yeah ik exactly what you mean

[latent moon]

Atk special cast dash and sometimes call

[lean timber]

Core Boons include your Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash. These Boons can be taken up by any God that offers these boons. You may only have one at a time, but a God may offer to exchange another God's Boon for their own, increasing the rarity as a bonus.

[jade sinew]

Yeah I think I will be using shackle from now on

Since I finally got 3 death defiances

[rustic vale]

I stan shackle but don’t limit yourself just to it

[latent moon]

shackle is only good on very few aspects

it's only good with aspects that naturally have a fat damage atk such as rama, arthur, and hestia

there's a few others but those are the big ones

[rustic vale]

Wdym it’s goated on every aspect of every weapon

/j

[latent moon]

just because it's useable doesn't mean it's good lmao

[jade sinew]

Then why shackle bestest keepsake

[latent moon]

shackle beo works, doesn't mean it's good

[latent moon]

it aint

except in very few edge cases

[rustic vale]

My name is partially a meme

[jade sinew]

I know i was just going along with it

[rustic vale]

Should do that by clearing the game using every weapon and every aspect with shackle and no attack/special/cast cores

[latent moon]

do it on 40 heat

[rustic vale]

I’ll work up to it

[latent moon]

right now

[rustic vale]

Which weapon

[latent moon]

which one are you the best at

[rustic vale]

Good question shackle spreadfire zag rail time

[latent moon]

lmao i mean that'll work

[rustic vale]

I just need spreadfire in tart

[latent moon]

have fun with resetting

[rustic vale]

Hmm

Need to figure out my pact

Wait

You sent one

A while back

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1014768506606207076/temp.png

not much you can change here unless you wanna take dc

or more js

[rustic vale]

Holy

Low tolerance epic rd eris with 12 damage hangover melted heroes in like 10 seconds flat

[latent moon]

eris moment

[lean timber]

erm. hl5 ap0??

[latent moon]

it's shackle, you dont really care about boons anyways

and bad builds dont have good dps to keep up with HL

fights are gonna be longer so HL is more punishing

[lean timber]

hl does not care about dps at all you just dash out of the way of the attacks i think

[rustic vale]

Wdym fights are actually going to be half as long

[lean timber]

that's how i do it anyway

[latent moon]

[lean timber]

[latent moon]

longer fights just mean you're more susceptible to mistakes

you can get a ton of good dodges but the fights last forever and each hit you take is extremely punishing

[lean timber]

so reduce td then

[latent moon]

the timer legitimately isn't the issue

[lean timber]

if you can take more time, you'll be more careful tho

• ratio

[latent moon]

you can be careful and still take damage

[rustic vale]

Completing 61 heat with td0

[latent moon]

100% bonus damage is still good

[lean timber]

because 100% on 125 good

[latent moon]

and like it's just an option for shackle builds

[lean timber]

• aphro requires epic lv. attavk

[latent moon]

not necessary

that doesn't protect you from a beyblading bull on one side and a dropping bomb behind you in em3

no

you can recall it while blocking tho

might happen

[humble hazel]

How many runs did it take you guys to beat hades for the first time

[latent moon]

about 17

[humble hazel]

Wow it took me 44

I don’t know why I found it so hard

[latent moon]

i mean everyone's different

[mortal night]

does hades always makes you start from step 1 whenever you die even after killing the 1st boss?

[humble hazel]

Yes

It’s a roug light

[latent moon]

yeah

[humble hazel]

That’s just how it works

[mortal night]

that is such a terrible system

[rustic vale]

50

[humble hazel]

No you just don’t get it

[mortal night]

even playing on godmode, 0 check points?

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

that's literally how a whole genre of games work

[rustic vale]

Do you understand the concept of a roguelite?

[humble hazel]

That’s the whole point of a roguelight

[latent moon]

you get a large damage reduction, which makes playing a lot easier

[mortal night]

how long does it take to beat the whole game anyway if u dont die?

[latent moon]

depends

[rustic vale]

depends

Some people… 7 minutes

[humble hazel]

Like 30 minutes for most people

[rustic vale]

Or lower

[latent moon]

those are in game times anyways

[rustic vale]

wait do you mean the whole game like to credits?

[latent moon]

real time is probably like... 30-60 minutes?

whole game to credits for the average person is probably whatever is on src times 5 lmfao

wr is 3 hr 43 min

so like

18 hours lmao

[rustic vale]

So

I’m gonna try that 40 heat run

[latent moon]

have fun

i hope spread fire isn't ap1ed lol

[rustic vale]

Bruh

Dio start with drunken dash ap1’d

[mortal night]

well u guys know what time it is then

time to refund this pos game

[lean timber]

lol

[rustic vale]

Ptsd to 40 heat beowulf

[lean timber]

skill issue?

[latent moon]

why

[rustic vale]

Why

[mortal night]

need check points 🙂

[latent moon]

it's not like all your progress is reset when you die

[rustic vale]

bruh

What

[rustic vale]

👆

[latent moon]

there's stuff outside of runs that carry over

and also there's the story, which progresses if you die

[rustic vale]

Cringe opinion tbh

[mortal night]

your mother is cringe

[latent moon]

ah yes a valid argument

[rustic vale]

I agree with that statement but also that’s my mother only I get to say things like that

🔫

[latent moon]

lmao they left the server

[rustic vale]

good we can’t have cringe Hades players

[latent moon]

why are you here then

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

gottem

[rustic vale]

how does one buy hades without knowing what kind of game it is

how does one need to have checkpoints to play a game

How does one not have the exact same mindset and opinion as me

[latent moon]

probably just looked at the reviews i guess

either that or likes greek mythology

[rustic vale]

Idk

Seems really wierd to just buy a game without knowing anything about it

or even what genre of game it is

[latent moon]

they prob didn't know what a roguelite is

[rustic vale]

Hades literally wouldn’t function if there were check points

[latent moon]

i mean that's only something you'd realize after you die lmao

[rustic vale]

Smh my head my head

[rustic vale]

Apparently they did die though

and didn’t like that

[latent moon]

i guess

[rustic vale]

7:48

[latent moon]

lmao

[twilit lodge]

It’s almost 8

[latent moon]

no it's 7:48

it's always 7:48

[rustic vale]

it’s just past 7 3/4

[twilit lodge]

No sometimes it’s “almost 8”

[lean timber]

what a loser lmao

[rustic vale]

[twilit lodge]

Talk to sundial more

[rustic vale]

Agreed

[lean timber]

ppl want everything handed to them i think

[latent moon]

it's "almost 8" because it's 7:48

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

imagine not being precise

[twilit lodge]

Refund Poseidon game

Is that what he said he wants to do

Refund this pos game

[rustic vale]

It’s almost 8 for the same reason it’s just past 3/4 to 8

it’s 7:48

[twilit lodge]

It’s 12 til 8

[lean timber]

speaking of which, i want a tv handed to me rn because stupid walmart still closes at 11pm and they wouldn't let me in even tho i showed up at 10:45pm

no 24hr walmart is stupid

[twilit lodge]

It’s 4/5 to 8

[rustic vale]

Refunding Poseidon by the hit game company lamesmallbooks

[twilit lodge]

It’s 25 or 6 to 4?

[lean timber]

what if it was called supergiant balls

lol

[twilit lodge]

Chicago based

[latent moon]

to be fair, i wouldn't like it either if someone strolled in the last 15 minutes before closing and wanted to buy something lmao

[twilit lodge]

Imagine living in such a remote, deserted area that the walmart isn’t 24hr

If you get hurt do you have to wait for a ferry to the mainland so you can go to a hospital? 😦

[vital tapir]

no they simply chuck you off the nearest cliff/coast

[twilit lodge]

Probably for the best

[lean timber]

lol who cares what they think, they work at walmart

slash j!!!

[rustic vale]

Slash jay

[latent moon]

yeah, minimum wage workers are only acceptable if they work at target!

[lean timber]

not even kidding abt that one

[latent moon]

[lean timber]

lol

[rustic vale]

Minimum wage workers are unacceptable if it’s a lemonade stand but are acceptable if it’s a target

[lean timber]

all workers are cool. just walmart around here has stupid practices i.e. not opening until 7AM and also closing at 11pm

for literally zero reason

i don't even have to wear a mask at my job anymore, and i'm a healthcare worker

i think they're safe to open back up. lol

[latent moon]

those sound like reasonable hours??

[lean timber]

I AM AN UNREASONABLE PERSON

[latent moon]

explains a lot carry on

[lean timber]

IF I WANT A DAMN TV AT 3AM I WANT THE DAMN TV

[latent moon]

bro just break in

[lean timber]

• on my days off i sleep a lot. so i wish they accomodated

i can't they're standing at the door

[rustic vale]

just break in

[latent moon]

even at 3 am?

[lean timber]

not at that point but screw this i'm going home

i've death-stared them down enough

[latent moon]

you death stared them even after they closed lmao

[lean timber]

i may have anger issues

[latent moon]

fair enough

[lean timber]

i just wanted a tv 😭

[rustic vale]

Just borrow one from the walmart and pay for it tomorrow

they won’t mind

Just like Charon

[latent moon]

true

borrow the tv, fight the boss of Walmart to either your death or their near death

the boss fight takes place in an alley way

[lean timber]

literally they wouldn't do anything to me i could steal it while they were open and be fine. steal it while they're closed and suddenly there's a problem

society...

[rustic vale]

Then afterwards get a 20% discount on all walmart purchases

[latent moon]

do it for the discount matty

[lean timber]

i am not physically capable of that

that would be like ff zag against c9 charon

[latent moon]

skill issue tbh

[lean timber]

yeah

[rustic vale]

It is possible then you just have a skissue

And possibly a hardware issue

[lean timber]

there is a target coming to our area though. it's replacing our dead kmart. pretty excited

[lost hound]

I was like "why can't Persephone just come down to the underworld?" And remembered (well i think anyway) she doesn't want to be found by the Olympians or chthonic gods

Wait hold on Chthonic is pronounced like

Cuh-thon-ic right?

Or have i been saying it wrong this whole time

[rustic vale]

Cthonic

Cthon-ic actually

2 syllables

cthonic pronounced like cthon + ic

[lost hound]

Cool

[lean timber]

most helpful english teacher

[rustic vale]

That’s literally the pronouncatilns

[plush lava]

Which companion/summon/whatever it is do y’all use

[rustic vale]

Antos purely because he’s cute but real runs use Battie

[lean timber]

real runs use than and suck it up if they miss

[rustic vale]

Lies

[twilit lodge]

Real runs use fidi

[rustic vale]

I’m making an active effort to not meme on newbies

[lean timber]

fine, real runs use battie. but mort is awesome

[rustic vale]

mort is cringe antos is cool

[rustic vale]

Matty you should use hades spear I think you’d like it

[lean timber]

shut!!

[rustic vale]

What

It’s almost like hera but better

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

Ngl hera was literally just bad zag bow

[lean timber]

stop saying wrong things... immediately...

[latent moon]

i've only ever used meg and bouldy lol

[rustic vale]

matty what is your pb

[rustic vale]

Smh

Not even to complete the codex?

[latent moon]

ngl didn't realize there were codex entries for thos

[lean timber]

9:04.xx

hera

[twilit lodge]

Tart mirage shot when I’m just doing a nemesis darkness run

450 gold 📈

Or however much

[lean timber]

450 sounds right

[rustic vale]

Nooooooooo

[lean timber]

what's wrong with it

[rustic vale]

Your pb is faster than mine 🔫

[lean timber]

well duh

do you think i'm bad at the game

lol

[rustic vale]

You play hera obviously

[latent moon]

whats yours lmao

[rustic vale]

10:33

[latent moon]

festive

you should get a 9:03

[rustic vale]

True

Should’ve been a full minute and a half faster

To beat matty

[latent moon]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Who needs clockets when dio eris rail

[high island]

What is this Hera slander?

[rustic vale]

Hades spear is just better hera

[latent moon]

hera cringe

hades spear is a castpect for sure

[rustic vale]

Fr fr

[high island]

I could do two Hera runs in the time you do one Hades aspect run.

[rustic vale]

You can do 2 hera runs in a day? Wow

My rta times are wild

[high island]

RTA, IGT, either one.

[high island]

2 runs in one day is more than I've done in months tbh lol.

[twilit lodge]

Trap damage well item is funny sometimes

3600 crit sawblade to a rat

Cause of Death: Falling Tortoise

[vital tapir]

stygian shard is multiplicative too

so if you have 3 the pots do like 6500 damage to hades

[dusky cypress]

the pots?

[lean timber]

the green pots in the hades fight

he summons them and they're considered a trap because they stun you, i.e. keep you in place so hades can hit you himself

they do 30 base damage

[dusky cypress]

yeah but they can hurt hades?

[vital tapir]

yes

[feral belfry]

I never knew the pots actually hurt dad if triggered

[vital tapir]

30 damage is pretty negligible when each health bar has 17k hp

[cyan crown]

What is more fun to play Hera or Lucifer

[lean timber]

hera

[sly ridge]

neither (i hate using exagryph)

well other than one time

when i was using eris

i got lucky enough to get a hammer and the 3 burst upgrade

and aphrodite gave me that charm boon thats legendary

i honestly prefer eris over hera

i play on switch

i dont have a pc

im console only

i love dealing with drift when using ranged weapons!

funny enough though, the two weapons i hate using the most gave me the fastest times

[cyan crown]

Ok

[sly ridge]

i just bought extremer measures

but how does it change hades

yeah but how does it make it harder

[brisk trail]

^ hehehe

[sly ridge]

fellow arthur enjoyer

[brisk trail]

[livid crescent]

what's a good build against forced overtime? about to get my harsh conditions prophecy

[hard viper]

https://prnt.sc/o-DPUi1tuUlo my gaming setup has been making it harder to get good times

[livid crescent]

too bad darkness can't be converted to gems. guess I'll just save up for the infinite chaos theme

[livid crescent]

looks fine to me, maybe get a gamer chair though

[latent moon]

Hestia with Aphrodite atk will work

Just keep a good distance and shoot them

If you have a good level on hestia anyways

[rustic vale]

If your normal builds can’t beat it it’s a skill issue and/or a build issue

[random pilot]

hestia rocket bomb or explosive fire?

[livid crescent]

what if i don't have a normal build

elysium bows, big chariots, asterius' charging attack are relentless and seem unavoidable most of the time

[hard viper]

Tho Aphrodite is better than Demeter imo having both as potential options to be able to increase base attack damage is good

[raw herald]

Rocket

[rustic vale]

Rocket

[random pilot]

👍🏻

[hardy spear]

theyre not unavoidable you just havent learnt how to deal with them well yet

[livid crescent]

that's not helpful. i know you can run them into barriers but when there's 4 chariots surrounding you and you are hopping back and forth frantically across a barrier to avoid them with no time to attack, its actually f'ed

[vital tapir]

flame wheels do be unavoidable

[hardy spear]

sure

[swift inlet]

Rocket is definitely the best hammer for rail, zagrail only wants spread because it abuses it specifically and lucifer literally can't use it

[random pilot]

too bad im running a boonless run atm

only chaos

[swift inlet]

But if you're getting a second hammer for zag rail the best is rocket, and the other two take rocket first

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire zag rail

[regal pawn]

is forced overtime worth activating when you are using seeking bow? (5-10 heat run)

[random pilot]

i want the dialogue

[swift inlet]

Yes, just don't take certain things that slow it down like jury summons

[rustic vale]

Fo2 is something you learn to use and never look back tbh

[swift inlet]

^

Even while I'm messing around I'm permanently on speedrun heat

[rustic vale]

I’m never turning off em2 fo2

It’s too gaming

[vital tapir]

never turning off em4 sorry

[swift inlet]

based????

[vital tapir]

it’s not so bad (lie)

[rustic vale]

Psychopath????

[vital tapir]

i think realistically i’ll never turn off em3 unless i start speedrunning but i have been practicing the em4 fight a lot

[latent moon]

turn off em2 when learning new aspects because lernie tax is real

at the same time tho i just said "screw it" with zeus shield because shield is easy

[high island]

What the hell is a Lernie tax?

[tepid light]

i think it's just a way to say that em lernie is a pain

[latent moon]

lernie tax is when you die/lose a DD to lernie

[high island]

DDs are just a resource anyway.

[latent moon]

heads being closer together makes it easier and harder at the same time tbh

[latent moon]

i mean yeah lernie tax becomes more of an issue at high heat really

[high island]

You did 50 Heat. Why are you dying to EM Lernie?

[tepid light]

And I need all the resources I can get for

Dad (TM)

[latent moon]

i stopped dying to lernie when i started using tooth for aspho lmao

but also, the 50 heat was beo so it's easier to nuke the heads when they come up

[high island]

I guess you just skipped all the fights at 50 lol.

[latent moon]

i died with 40 luci, 40 zeus almost died with tooth

[high island]

Maybe make practice saves for the boss fights. Especially EM2 if you're struggling with that.

[latent moon]

the build was pretty horrid by the end of it but yeah lmao up until start of ely it wasn't too bad

[latent moon]

eh tbf if i'm dying to em2 the run probably wasn't great to begin with

[high island]

A few days of practicing boss fights back-to-back should solve any boss issues.

[latent moon]

and i need to practice more with the aspect at that point anyways

that would be the practical solution but idk how to do that and im too lazy to learn lmao

it's not too bad tho

my next high heat is gonna be 50 zeus shield probably, 40 and 45 weren't too bad so i'll just bang my head against that wall for a bit until i get it

[twilit lodge]

Hamster guy beat the game legit

[latent moon]

whomst

[twilit lodge]

Good job hamster guy man

The one with the extremely gamer chair “friend clear” screenshots

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[twilit lodge]

Does trippy beo still get mirage I assume?

[high island]

Yes.

[vital tapir]

yea but you probably shouldn’t plan to hit 2 duos

[twilit lodge]

I mean that’s why

[vital tapir]

why do you want them then

[twilit lodge]

Lmao

[vital tapir]

why would you plan your run around getting a rare boon because it “could help”

if you plan for a duo you’re gonna want one like heart rend that actually does something

[mint coral]

Also depends on weapon/aspec4

[vital tapir]

gl

[twilit lodge]

Brave of you to try 32 heat before knowing what all the boons do tbh

[twilit lodge]

Meg has dialog for if you don’t have a hammer lmao

Sorry Meg, that I’ve had to restart this trippy beo run 5 times because the hammer sucks and if I get an extra cast from chaos it locks me into Aphrodite 🙄

Yes

[livid crescent]

do any higher heat levels give more rewards, or is it always the same?

[latent moon]

Unless you're playing like Arthur lmao

Infinite hit stun

Actually it's really bad if it's also savior lol

[vital tapir]

i think rusher is generally the worst

[lost hound]

athena said she and aphrodite's boons work well together

is that true?

[latent moon]

Parting shot sucks if you meant the duo

[vital tapir]

weak and deflect are both good ig

[latent moon]

From just a boon stand point tho it's not too bad because it's pretty defensive while also having good offensive stats

Yeah, reflecting and damage reduction is pretty good

[high island]

Parting Shot is nice honestly. Getting another potential source of bonus Cast damage from Master Chaos and Wells of Charon is pretty good. Was pretty common to see Hera speedruns use Shadow Presence instead of Fiery just for that.

[raw herald]

Extremely old tech

The consistency that fiery brings is just better

[high island]

That's besides the point. Just because Fiery is better ultimately (I used Fiery back then too) doesn't mean the alternative "sucks".

Not everything that's not optimal sucks.

[rustic vale]

Cuz weak + bronze skin = gaming

/j

[high island]

I feel like a lot of the newer players nowadays just write "it sucks" without ever actually having looked into things ngl. Like somebody tells them to use A instead of B and that somehow turns into a chorus of B sucks.

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t suck it just ain’t as good

Big difference

True

Different league + bronze skin + unshakeable mettle 😳

[raw herald]

It kinda does tho, you sacrifice earlygame speed for a small chance of benefiting more from a specific duo boon, which in itself is a low chance of seeing since Athena isn’t desired on hera runs, and neither is legacy because epic chaos and Hermes is op

[rustic vale]

I was

not talking about fiery versus shadow in specific

[raw herald]

ye

[high island]

Man am I sick and tired of all this "it's not optimal so it sucks" in the community nowadays.

[rustic vale]

Bronze skin isn’t optimal is sucks

[latent moon]

Someone with

[rustic vale]

0 0 heat runs

[short glen]

This yeah

[rustic vale]

👍

[lost hound]

just lost to hades with the first time

i didnt have the shield

i have no idea how to get past that laser bean attack

[rustic vale]

First half or second half of second phase?

[vital tapir]

pillars

[rustic vale]

pillars or just dash around them or hug dad

[lost hound]

hm alright

[rustic vale]

There is an area between dad and the lasers

that you won’t take damage in

otherwise dash around them or hide behind pillars

What is this gameeeeeeeee 40 heat stop ap1’ing all the stuff I want

[high island]

Legit this is part of why I hardly do runs anymore. You can hardly even post off-meta builds or pacts in #h1-victory-boasting anymore without somebody questioning/memeing why you didn't copy whatever somebody told them was optimal.

[rustic vale]

You just opened my eyes to what I’ve been doing

[latent moon]

You can still do runs and not post them

[latent moon]

Just get the boons

[high island]

I've posted every single victory screen here since joining the community, and I'll continue to do so.

[rustic vale]

I’m doing the most optimal gilga run ever rn

Frost strike frost dash hoping for arctic blast

[latent moon]

Rip spread fire zag rail 40 heat?

[rustic vale]

Uh

I will try for a better seed once I die win

I accidentally left sd on

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

[raw herald]

At this point I barely finish any runs so i end up posting most

Ofc I won’t post a beo warmup run that’s a minute slower than my pb

[high island]

I've actually read not too long ago here in the server that Blizzard Shot and Black Out are the only actually good Talos builds lol. How did me coming up with two Talos Cast builds in like 5 min each turn into people believing those two are the only good ones...

[rustic vale]

Artemis strike is the only good talos build

[high island]

That's part of the Blizzard Shot build, you know.

[rustic vale]

true for mirage shot

you could also run hunting or maybe even chilling blades on talos

passion shot as well maybe? Idk

[high island]

Passion Shot is not a thing lol.

[mint coral]

Beo mindset moment

[rustic vale]

Aphrodite shotgun cast

Like spreadfire

Idk what it’s called

[mint coral]

Crush shot

[high island]

@rustic vale now figure out how to optimize those build ideas and we might finally have some decent, novel Talos builds since Early Access.

[rustic vale]

Does explosive dupper on gigla proc maim?

[rustic vale]

I will try after frosty gilgamesh and 40 shackle shotgun zag

[high island]

Yes.

[rustic vale]

Nourish soul ravenous will and killing freeze are my options but all are common I think I’ll reroll hope for either better killing freeze rarity or arctic blast

[high island]

"dupper on gigla"—@rustic vale, 2022

[rustic vale]

Would you rather dpecial?

[high island]

Don't roll for rarity.

[rustic vale]

Wait I’m in ely why didn’t I grab hourglass nooooo

wait does hourglass affect touch of styx from patty?

[high island]

No.

[rustic vale]

make sense

[high island]

But there's a keepsake that affects it.

[sly ridge]

time to unlock the bow hidden aspect i guess

[high island]

Whoever can figure out which keepsake gets a .

[rustic vale]

skelly…

[high island]

Wrong.

Wrong answers = ban btw.

[rustic vale]

I’m trying to remember every keepsake rn and

[latent moon]

collar

lmao ez

[sly ridge]

wait collar does that?

[latent moon]

i mean you get more hp

so technically

[rustic vale]

I was about to say collar technically does but I don’t think that’s what they mean

[twilit lodge]

Collar

Yeh

Collar “affects” touch of Styx dark

That was the only claim

[rustic vale]

spearpoint cuz it’s patty’s keepsake

[high island]

@rustic vale getting banned twice for two wrong answers.

[rustic vale]

Noooo

[twilit lodge]

TFW you spearpoint your comrade from behind while they’re wearing the myrmidon bracer (they would take extra damage 😦 )

[high island]

[rustic vale]

Myrmidon bracer would follow that same line of logic as well

Shackle because it’s the coolest keepsake

Which keepsake does nyx give I don’t remember

[mint coral]

Backstab/undamaged dmg bonus

[rustic vale]

I don’t remember what it does either that’s why I ask

[mint coral]

Black shawl or smth

[twilit lodge]

Yes and yes

[high island]

Touch of Styx Dark gives +50% healing to your Stubborn Defiance. That % is based on your max HP. The Spiked Collar increases your max HP.

[twilit lodge]

I’ve wondered if it gives you bonuses to both or if it gives bonus to whichever mirror talent you took

[sly ridge]

oh

[high island]

Both.

[twilit lodge]

Sounds broken tbh

Nerf black shawl

[rustic vale]

Black shawl + parting shot castpect meta?

[high island]

Black Shawl used to increase the Darkness you pick up.

[rustic vale]

Based why’d they change it?

smh sgg I’m darkness grinding I need that

[twilit lodge]

Seriously

Chaos doesn’t always show up and somehow Poseidon’s darkness boon rarest thing in the world when you’re doing a darkness run

[rustic vale]

Obviously harpy feather duster affects touch of styx dark for no apparent reason

[high island]

There was feedback that it was just kinda useless. I don't know if that's why they changed it or if it was other factors.

[rustic vale]

Sigil of dad because styx is dad’s stuff hmmm

[sly ridge]

if im using aspect of eris

should i get rocket bomb

[rustic vale]

Yes

[sly ridge]

my choices from the hammer are

spread fire

rocket bomb

and cluster bomb

[rustic vale]

spreadfire eris

See rocket bomb is better to have but cluster bomb takes out more options so you’ll be more likely for rocket second hammer huh

[high island]

The Goddess Styx would have something to say about what you just said, I am sure.

[rustic vale]

and spreadfire is gaming

[sly ridge]

i guess ill go with cluster

[rustic vale]

Idk I just remember a starting run line where dad says the waters of the styx are his not poseidons

my b

[sly ridge]

oh god thats how its spread

i thought it was just gonna be like 5 weaker bombs in one circle

[high island]

Rocket is best. Cluster Bomb is great, though.

[rustic vale]

cluster bomb is great and makes you slightly more likely to see rocket bomb second hammer

Knocks hazard and triple bomb out of the running

[sly ridge]

but i like triple bomb

[twilit lodge]

But cluster rockets is ludicrous

Especially on eris

[rustic vale]

I mean they aren’t compatible

[sly ridge]

what do you mean by compatible

[rustic vale]

You can’t have them both

[sly ridge]

oh.

well that sucks

[rustic vale]

so you’re more likely to then see rocket bomb second hammer

[twilit lodge]

Imagine 15 specials

With cluster triple

And then rockets

[rustic vale]

cluster bomb first hammer takes 3 hammers out of the way for second hammer options

itself, hazard bomb and triple bomb

[sly ridge]

ima end this run

so i can try and get zeus boon

from the starting boon

[rustic vale]

Do you not run god keepsakes to start?

[sly ridge]

i honestly forgot those exist

[twilit lodge]

[sly ridge]

i just normally use the collar

[raw herald]

:AAAAA:

[twilit lodge]

[twilit lodge]

No nitro?

[high island]

The rivers of the Underworld are his domain, like the waters of the Earth are Poseidon's domain and the Heavens and the Earth are Lord Zeus's domain. But Lady Styx is the goddess of the river Styx.

[rustic vale]

Should probably use them instead of collar you’ll be more likely to live if you have boons your weapons like

[twilit lodge]

Just use shackle

[rustic vale]

That’s also an option

[twilit lodge]

Then you can drop dark foresight and get rarer boons!!

[sly ridge]

im trying to unlock the exa hidden aspect

[twilit lodge]

Slashj

[rustic vale]

Rarer RD = gaming

dropping dark foresight also means more key rooms means more rerolls

[twilit lodge]

Holy smokes did we just invent the new meta

[sly ridge]

zeus had something to say about the thunder signet

[rustic vale]

“We” I used this for the entirety of my shackle gaming

[sly ridge]

💀

[twilit lodge]

I miss them saying stuff about their trinkets

Haven’t heard in a minute

[rustic vale]

And I’m probably not the first to have thought this

[sly ridge]

at least i have the zeus attack now

[high island]

Sometimes I kinda wish Dark Foresight were changed back to how it worked in Early Access.

[twilit lodge]

Me too

[rustic vale]

How did it work prior?

[twilit lodge]

Even though I have no idea how that was

[high island]

It didn't.

[rustic vale]

[high island]

It did nothing.

[rustic vale]

Wasn’t in the game or actually bugged?

[high island]

Bugged.

[rustic vale]

Gotta love Hades the hit game with 0 bugs

[high island]

It was also +15% instead, but that didn't matter because it didn't do anything lol.

[high island]

There's virtually no game with 0 bugs lol.

All of the remaining ones are very minor.

[sly ridge]

chess

[high island]

Especially for how many interactions there are.

[rustic vale]

Soccer

🧠

[high island]

Soccer has lots of bugs on the field, pretty sure.

[rustic vale]

True

Hockey

[high island]

Referees are very buggy, too.

[twilit lodge]

There’s no computer program with no bugs

[rustic vale]

Tictactoe?

[sly ridge]

chess patch notes (v 3.2.1)
+fixed being able to move pawns backwards

[twilit lodge]

But not for switch version

[high island]

Anyway, the kind of builds you see routinely nowadays were pretty much the "broken" builds in Early Access.

Because Dark Foresight is just broken.

[sly ridge]

my builds are the most random crap imagineable

and yet they still work out pretty fine for me

i might try doing em4 today

[high island]

Good luck!

[sly ridge]

thanks

[rustic vale]

20% more gold laurels is a huge difference

[high island]

Well, it's not 20%. It's more like 40%.

[rustic vale]

Oh is it 70:30?

And not 60:40?

[sly ridge]

how do arrows stun enemies

but not bullets

[high island]

That's not exactly the ratio, but yeah, that's how Dark Foresight changes the ratio.

[sly ridge]

ayo

should i replace my epic drunken flourish

with heroic heartbreak flourish

[rustic vale]

Yes

[latent moon]

well

depends on the build

[rustic vale]

It’s eris right?

[high island]

Arrows can destroy projectiles though.

[sly ridge]

yeah

its eric

eris*

crap

[latent moon]

oh yeah then definitely

[rustic vale]

🧠

[sly ridge]

funny 200% damage

[high island]

Oh I read that wrong. You were saying why do bullets not stun enemies.

[twilit lodge]

Eric railgun is good

[high island]

Because they're not stun bullets.

[sly ridge]

i got triple bomb this run too

[high island]

Duh.

[rustic vale]

🧠

[sly ridge]

i cant wait to decimate alecto's healthbar

[rustic vale]

Hope for rocket bomb then

[high island]

Only stun guns shoot stun bullets.

[twilit lodge]

Only super soakers knock enemies back

[high island]

I think you've been exposed to too much propaganda.

[rustic vale]

True

[sly ridge]

question

[rustic vale]

I’m not going to call anything a super soaker any more

[sly ridge]

is it one hammer i can find per region

[latent moon]

no

[rustic vale]

2 hammers max unless you use anvil

[latent moon]

you can't get a second hammer until ely is pretty much the only rule about hammers i know

[rustic vale]

One can only be found ely or after

[sly ridge]

oh

[twilit lodge]

Ugh this trippy flare run is going so bad

[latent moon]

this is why we dont use trippy flare

[twilit lodge]

No cshot at ely hammer either

[rustic vale]

I think you can get 2nd hammer in styx possibly?

might hebwrongnon that

[latent moon]

you can

[twilit lodge]

hebwrongnonq

[sly ridge]

ah yes

now i have 4 dash charges

and now that the rarity got upgraded

[twilit lodge]

Wdym

[sly ridge]

5

[twilit lodge]

My cast charge is popping for 1202

Based

[high island]

The first hammer keeps being re-offered until you pick it up. Second hammer can't show up until Elysium + until you've picked up the first. Second hammer keeps being re-offered then until you pick it up.

[rustic vale]

When you get 8 dashes

[twilit lodge]

I’ve seen second hammer on Styx tunnels before

[latent moon]

because it's high roll lmao

[high island]

Yes, it can show up there if you haven't picked it up in Elysium.

[sly ridge]

should i get trippy shot or strong drink

both are rare

[high island]

So you'll end up with 2 hammers max if you pick up both. Only way to get 3 hammer upgrades is to buy the Anvil in Styx shop, which randomly replaces 1 upgrade with 2 others.

[latent moon]

strong drink if you're in aspho rn

[sly ridge]

ok then

[rustic vale]

“Randomly” true… but it’s also manipulatable

[swift inlet]

I mean yeah but so is most random stuff in the game

[twilit lodge]

The record scratch when you take charons bag is probably my favorite sound effect in the game

Other than chaos zoing

[swift inlet]

besides combat rng

[high island]

You can manipulate virtually all of the RNG in an entire run, that's kinda besides the point.

[rustic vale]

Really? Idk how to manip anything other than anvil

[tepid light]

Manipulate this PantsGrab

[twilit lodge]

Same way

[latent moon]

just watch a routed run lmao

[twilit lodge]

Give up a run and kill the first chamber without casting

Vs with casting

[high island]

Same way pretty much. That's how routed works.

[twilit lodge]

And rooms afterward change

[rustic vale]

Huh

[twilit lodge]

I noticed this before but really noticed it on this trippy run cuz I restarted hella

[rustic vale]

I’m just dumb then idk

[twilit lodge]

If I didn’t cast I got a chaos gate in c2

But it would send me into forced aphro

[high island]

It's more complex than just casting or not, but the general idea is the same.

[twilit lodge]

No damage Charon fight, trippy flare based

[rustic vale]

Trippy flare based but hunter flare is more based

[latent moon]

hunter flare mirage based

[rustic vale]

freezing blades beo is baseded

[high island]

If these are based, which are acidic?

[rustic vale]

Pos cast beo

[raw herald]

Water is ph7 so neutral

[twilit lodge]

Am I crazy or can you dash at the end of your bull rush to adjust where the flares pop?

Dio is acidic because wine

🧠

[raw herald]

You can dash at the end but it doesn’t affect where flares pop

[sly ridge]

ok

so

the ely hammer

gave me
explosive fire

[twilit lodge]

Pom lv1 hunters mark or pressure points

[sly ridge]

flurry fire

and spread fire

[swift inlet]

pp if you don't have art on a core probably

[high island]

But is that really pure water?

[latent moon]

probably flurry?

[twilit lodge]

Art attack

[swift inlet]

Ah

[rustic vale]

What is your attack?

[sly ridge]

epic zeus

[swift inlet]

What's the boost for hunters mark

[rustic vale]

Flurry

[twilit lodge]

30 to 42

Vs pp 4 to 5

[sly ridge]

ok

[rustic vale]

Explosive kinda doodoo with zeus strike I think? And spreadfire ain’t doing much good for flat damage attack

[raw herald]

Salt is also neutral isn’t it, I’d assume overall that it is neutral but not pure

Explosive fire is a downgrade because it reduces jolted procs

[high island]

There's a lot of minerals in the Underworld, though.

[sly ridge]

ayo theres a money bag in the charon shop

[tepid light]

free money, take it

[twilit lodge]

Take it

[latent moon]

poggers free money

[rustic vale]

Charon wants to help you by giving you free obols

[sly ridge]

i mean

why is it just now there

[rustic vale]

22% chance

at any mid shop

[high island]

It's his lunch money.

[sly ridge]

ok ill take it

[rustic vale]

You can tell he means for you to take if by the red colour of the borrow text

Iirc

[high island]

Do you really want to be the bully wh—guess so.

[sly ridge]

bruh

[latent moon]

lmfao

[twilit lodge]

It’s fine he’s chasing Zeus rail phrase

[tepid light]

GOTTEM

[rustic vale]

Gottem

[twilit lodge]

So he’ll get another chance soon now

[high island]

I told you it's his lunch money.

Picked on the wrong guy, didn't you.

[rustic vale]

Oh btw if zeus has already commented on you using exagryph you don’t need to keep using it to get the dialogue iirc

[sly ridge]

im tryna beat the crap outta charon

chill

[twilit lodge]

This is true

[rustic vale]

If it’s just the awakening phrase you need left

Just use any weapon

[twilit lodge]

Ooh

Purple greater haste, blue hyper sprint, blue rd

[rustic vale]

Iirc

[twilit lodge]

Thanks Charon

[latent moon]

plume gaming?

[rustic vale]

Gotta love 137.5% damage

[twilit lodge]

accidentally takes quick reload

[sly ridge]

ok charon was not nearly as bad as i expected

[twilit lodge]

Nah, I had the first two, and got offered rd at styxshop

[latent moon]

oh lmao nice

[twilit lodge]

Out of rerolls because I wanted a chaos bloodstone but NOOOOOOoooOo

[sly ridge]

and i get teleported to asterius

amazing.

[rustic vale]

Wait no should be closer to 2.05 I did a bad calculation

[latent moon]

based

[twilit lodge]

Dio boon at shop hoping for blackout since I toon flourish

[rustic vale]

Lets go

[twilit lodge]

Took

Got premium vintage and the nectar hit flare

I’ll take it

[sly ridge]

ok this build i got is actually really good

might convince me to use exa more

[rustic vale]

Should try spreadfire zag rail next

[tepid light]

hazard bomb or gtfo

[rustic vale]

who needs lightning strike on eris when dio or ME exist

[sly ridge]

youre the one who suggested lightning strike on fast attacking weapons to me

[latent moon]

i mean dio also works for fast hitting weapons

and ME is ME lmao