h1-discussion

[dusky cypress]

ayy the game gave me the final phrase for the last hidden, nice lol

[latent moon]

Very nice

[dusky cypress]

I kind of hate how like...beat-you-over-the-head-with-the-fact-that-you-have-to-inspect-your-weapon-while-wearing-them-to-get-this zags dialogue is when the other npc says "hey idk what this means but I think you're supposed to do something with this???"

oh hey its gilgamesh because I recognize how asterius describes him until it isn't lmfao nice

[reef glen]

After you reach Max reputation and get the little icon at the top right of the keepsake display do the keepsakes get stronger?

[latent moon]

No

It just indicates that you have a maxed bond

[twilit lodge]

And you get flavor text on the keepsake

[twilit lodge]

I just got Gilgamesh too, my last one

[dusky cypress]

huh

alright that checks out lol I would've thought so but didn't know for certain if he had more health until I checked

between hellfire, concentrated beam and festive fog + scintillating feast I killed theseus first for which is either my first or 2nd time ever doing so lol

[twilit lodge]

He has less than asterius by quite a bit

It’s fun to kill him first because he’s annoying

Asterius is chill

[latent moon]

you end up killing him first if you play beo lmao

ideally you want to instaphase them both at the same time but doesn't always happen unfortunately

[twilit lodge]

Also true

[dusky cypress]

I thought of him as annoying until I got to like, I'd say 20 runs ago? where winning became less a question of "am I gonna die to this fight" and "is this gonna take either one, or zero DDs?

[twilit lodge]

Valid

I meant the character

But improving feels good yes

[dusky cypress]

yes same thing still applies

he was annoying when I still thought I might die

and now he's absolutely hilarious

also the large ham aspect helps immensely

[twilit lodge]

He’s still annoying to me lol

He’s a twerp

[hearty saddle]

almost beat my first heat and then hades killed me

[dusky cypress]

I mean yeah he dies in < a minute so what's the difference

[twilit lodge]

It do be like that

[dusky cypress]

tbf all top level runs are "yeah this room should take less than 10 seconds" (if you ignore the spawn timers)

[latent moon]

the what aspect lmao

[twilit lodge]

Large ham

[latent moon]

is that beo

[twilit lodge]

Theseus is one

No

It’s when you’re really hammy

[latent moon]

[reef glen]

What modifier?

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/duhh-duh-well-duh-head-shake-gif-17949388

[hearty saddle]

tight deadline 1

[twilit lodge]

Feast time

[dusky cypress]

I was saying that about "after you kill theseus and he starts to feel like a pushover"

https://imgur.com/a/uSDHzTN

huh

[rustic vale]

Lmfao is that thunder flourish luci special

[dusky cypress]

idk if 36 seconds leftover would be a comfortable td3 and apparently festive fog seems better than I gave it credit for especially if you get sf, but still

yeah it only does something when you burst them doesn't it? lol

[rustic vale]

Luci with no triple bomb

[dusky cypress]

didn't show up on either triple hammer so you can't blame me for it not being one lol

[rustic vale]

No it’s just going to explode itself whenever an enemy comes near

[twilit lodge]

Td3 is not a good choice next probably

[rustic vale]

I mean you have a really high chance of finding triple bomb on lucifer

[twilit lodge]

Try EM1 or 2, those aren’t too bad

[dusky cypress]

I had two hammers and I didn't have the choice on either one 🤷

[rustic vale]

Out of 9 hammer options after picking up first hammer it goes down to 8 or 7 choices depending on hammer choosen

[latent moon]

do any hammers lock out triple bomb on luci

[rustic vale]

Nope

[latent moon]

oh that's just unfortunate then

[dusky cypress]

also looking at that I realized I took the piercing +50% armor instead of concentrated fire, huh

[twilit lodge]

SMH I got than’s balcony all dripped out and he didn’t even say thank you

[rustic vale]

it is possible to not see it you just have a really high chance of finding it

[twilit lodge]

Or than kyou

[latent moon]

banned

[twilit lodge]

20 ambrosia for the true ending

[dusky cypress]

no, its still not gonna be for awhile but its moreso a proof of concept that I would be able to do it eventually :p

[twilit lodge]

But what do I even need it for now

[rustic vale]

but anyways thunder flourish on luci special is funny because:
A) luci wants % special
B) the bomb will explode itself the instant an enemy comes near because the lightning from the pulse will explode it

[latent moon]

titan blood

[twilit lodge]

New theme, got it

[latent moon]

or that

[rustic vale]

The lightning will only proc on pulse if an enemy is near iirc

[dusky cypress]

yeah I thought about the lack of % damage given that 100 damage base seems really high but ehhh

still more than fast enough anyways

[rustic vale]

Should see triple bomb luci with % special if you think base special with flat damage is good lmfao

[dusky cypress]

wasn't saying it was good

[twilit lodge]

What were they thinking making maim do more dmg

Smh my h

[latent moon]

fast enough in regards for td or killing them

[dusky cypress]

also p sure that was basically carried (because I don't think my special+beam damage was hardly anything at all) by festive fog+lightning

[rustic vale]

Smh my head my head

[dusky cypress]

I know I was holding it for too long because I realized you can hold cast for like only .1-.2 seconds and I was like "wait this doesn't take a full second to cast"

[latent moon]

beam damage actually does more than you think

[twilit lodge]

Smh Beowulf level up bonus only makes the rush wider

I thought it would make the cast radius bigger 😭

Refund

[rustic vale]

It also increase rush damage

I spell good

Good night

Ha gottem

[twilit lodge]

My honest reaction

[latent moon]

dragon rush being wider is also really good

considering how large it actually gets

[rustic vale]

👍

[rustic vale]

I gotchu

Anywho

That was me saying good night yalls

[latent moon]

have fun

[twilit lodge]

Is fidi the worst companion y/y

Good night balls

[rustic vale]

I go to bed at a more reasonable than normal hour tonight

[twilit lodge]

Y’all’s

[rustic vale]

mort exists

[twilit lodge]

Y’al’l’s

Mort is based wdym

[rustic vale]

ya’l’l’s

[latent moon]

mort isn't even bad

it's just outclassed

[rustic vale]

antos is the only good companion

[twilit lodge]

It does more damage than meg

And it still hits both heroes

[rustic vale]

And takes 6 years to happen

[twilit lodge]

These are my criteria for decentness

Decency?

[latent moon]

it's still slow

[twilit lodge]

There we go

[rustic vale]

Decency

[latent moon]

can't hit sneak or dad reliably

[rustic vale]

it takes 6 years to happen

Which is why antos good

/j

[latent moon]

split damage moment

[twilit lodge]

Shady for the resources tho

[rustic vale]

antos can hit the same target twice I think

[latent moon]

antos' only downside is witch's circle, power couple, and heroes but at least it hits

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/go-to-bed-gif-gif-23729004

[latent moon]

it can

[rustic vale]

I use it on hoarding slash meme runs

[latent moon]

i remember someone saying antos just one shots sneak because of it

well

technically two shot

[rustic vale]

Bruh

[latent moon]

but 1 button

[twilit lodge]

If Antos one shots sneak that’s worth right there

[rustic vale]

Untrue sneak always runs away at the worst time

[latent moon]

git gud then

[lean timber]

i don't understand the meme that's a joke right? antos can't target the same enemy twice

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

i thought it could

[rustic vale]

I’m fairly certain I’ve seen them hit asterius or dad twice

[latent moon]

If there is only one foe in the screen both Achilles and Patroclus will target it for a total of 3000 damage. They will always prioritize hitting different targets however, so the double hit is only possible if there is a lone foe

from the wiki

[dusky cypress]

huh

[rustic vale]

Makes sense

[lean timber]

then why are they not the best companion??

wtf??

[latent moon]

heroes

witches circle

[rustic vale]

Meg versus witch cidcle

[latent moon]

power couple

like i said

[dusky cypress]

maim seems wack

still, waiting 4 seconds for my burst damage tho :(

[lean timber]

merciful end time

[rustic vale]

Maim ain’t your main damage

[latent moon]

maim aint your maim damage

[dusky cypress]

I know but also its hard not to look at that and go OHHHH fancy new thing! andddddddddd it sucks

[twilit lodge]

Press Maim to die

[latent moon]

yeah gilga sucks as a whole lmao

[lean timber]

okay so fringe cases are what stops antos from being the main companion. how silly. screw you guys i'm maining antos now

[twilit lodge]

Maim dad right before every spin

[rustic vale]

It’s nice extra 400 damage and additive but it lets them deal more damage which is inturn cringe

[latent moon]

ngl antos is probably good for rama runs because of sneak lol

[dusky cypress]

I mean

just don't get hit

ez

[latent moon]

and if you're not using meg on witches circle it's fine

[lean timber]

clearly

[rustic vale]

Screw me? But I use antos

[latent moon]

only bad case would be power couple and heroes

[lean timber]

i never ever do cuz who cares it's witches' circle. by the time u get to aspho you should be able to one shot the witches

sneak is a different story

[rustic vale]

Gilga dash takes longer to recharge which makes dashing for invinciblity annoying

or dashing to leave aoes

[lean timber]

rama is suddenly viable again

[rustic vale]

Does zag spear wr have flurry jab or cskewer exploding launcher or both?

[twilit lodge]

Poseidon chamber straight into arte chamber

[rustic vale]

💪

[twilit lodge]

But c1 hammer didn’t have cshot

[rustic vale]

Night

Or I guess it’s really morning here

Has been for an hour and a half

[twilit lodge]

Morning moment

[rustic vale]

Mourning moment rip zag all the time

Why’s he gotta die so often

Funerals are expensive

[lean timber]

they just throw em in the river

[twilit lodge]

Do I want ddash on beo? Athena forced on me

I could take bronze skin instead

[rustic vale]

Bronze skin

[lean timber]

it literally does not matter

[rustic vale]

/j

[lean timber]

bronze skin is pointless, ddash gives safety + deflect. what else

[rustic vale]

MEowulf takes athena flare > athena dash /s

[dusky cypress]

so generally speaking (yes I know you want to see other gods for various things( poseidon is more-or-less the best god on average for dps and thus the one I should pick the most when provided w/ a choice, right?

[lean timber]

posideon is generally not good for dps

[dusky cypress]

lol ok

[rustic vale]

Poseidon dash is good for general dps

[lean timber]

his effects are good and his duos are nice but he himself is not a good source of %. if you want raw +%, you go aphrodite or demeter maybe. arty is ok as well

[lean timber]

aside from this case. lol

[rustic vale]

On flourish he is a good source of %

and his flare opens up mirage shot which is why beo uses it

[lean timber]

flourish is very good scaling as well but let's be honest, special doesn't get a whole lot of love

and yes blah blah flood flare. STOP TALKING ABOUT BEO

this is my safe haven i do NOT want to hear about that damn shield

[dusky cypress]

that shield or any shields?

[twilit lodge]

This is a beosafespace

Just that shield

Matty loves hearing about chaos shield however

[lean timber]

this is a beo HATE space. i will actively attack you if you discuss it

chaos shield goes mid

i've been thinking about zeus lately honestly

[rustic vale]

and his flare cast opens up mirage shot which is why beo hera uses it

[lean timber]

like hell you'll catch me running flood flare on hera lmao

it sucks

[livid crescent]

can we talk about Scott Baio?

[lean timber]

sure idk who that is

[rustic vale]

If I caught you using flood flare on hera I’d be surprised as well

[lean timber]

i dislike you at times

[rustic vale]

I meant on hera

I meant on hera

[lean timber]

flood flaera

[rustic vale]

I thought it was all the times

[twilit lodge]

Not the baiowulf

[rustic vale]

Sounds good to me chief

[twilit lodge]

Found the KoL player

[lean timber]

bay of wolves?? they don't live near the beach silly they live in forests

[rustic vale]

Keague of Legends?

[twilit lodge]

Sure

[lean timber]

king of learts

[twilit lodge]

Kingdom of Loathing

[lean timber]

i have to work at 6AM

this sucks

[rustic vale]

Kingdom of longing

[lean timber]

kurse of longing 💔

[rustic vale]

kurse of longing

[twilit lodge]

Old browser game

[rustic vale]

I dislike you at time

[lean timber]

king of lighters

[twilit lodge]

Based on dn

[lean timber]

based on deez nuts

God i am so funny.

[rustic vale]

Just like me

[lean timber]

[twilit lodge]

Tfw rare crop picks two purples

[brisk trail]

tfw common rare crop picks your common attack boon

[dusky cypress]

lol sniper shot

what the hell is the distance considered "distant foes" by the game?

(prophecy choice + others seemed like utter crap even more so than sniper)

[twilit lodge]

Beo making me wait til ely for mirage

Then offers it along with fully loaded

[twilit lodge]

I believe sniper shot has an indicator on the reticle that shows when it’s distant

[dusky cypress]

https://imgur.com/a/c8jtfyA this thing? I thought this was always here?

[twilit lodge]

Also that reticle looks weird

[dusky cypress]

yes because rama

[reef glen]

Why would 15 heat be a faster run than zero heat?

[twilit lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1025655441604235264/2022100101262000-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4

Double kill

[twilit lodge]

FO1/2 speed runs up, as does EM2

Matty is asleep post beo

[vital tapir]

TD speeds up rta i believe because it disables those survive for 45 seconds rooms

[lean timber]

death.

[slim geyser]

FO makes enemies move faster and spawn faster which makes clearing quicker

EM2 makes lernie heads spawn closer together and therefor easier to kill

[slim geyser]

^

[lone mantle]

Hey what do I do if my save file keeps reincarnating

[brisk trail]

wdym

[lone mantle]

It has cloned itself

And is stuck at run 129

I'd send a screenshot but it won't let me

Any time the game saves it moves into the fourth save slot instead of saving over the first like it would normally

The 129 run one is eternal and won't go away, but I also don't want to just outright remove it cause that's kinda the one where I have everything unlocked

I've tried validating the files through steam as well as reinstalling the game but neither seemed to do anything

[twilit lodge]

#h1-tech-fixes has some stuff about save files

[dusky cypress]

https://imgur.com/a/iaq9GMe

ugghhh

This was my fault for dying by being careless v theseus (killed asterius w/ 5 health left, started fight w/ like 120 health I think) and lost my second DD v styx

[twilit lodge]

Rip

[latent moon]

Cp2 moment

[dusky cypress]

I did say enemies didn't I

I don't even think it was that tho

[latent moon]

I mean

[dusky cypress]

like yeah "30% health" but that doesn't mean I was any less awful for actually getting hit

[latent moon]

Enemies have more hp, take longer to kill, more likely to get hit

[twilit lodge]

Yeah that

[latent moon]

Also your heroes fight wouldve been shorter so you would've taken less damage

Also did you not have an atk boon?

[twilit lodge]

Bows like tidal dash

[latent moon]

Wait was this special only

Because that would explain the lack of dps tbh

[dusky cypress]

oh yeah that too

I was leveling up random keepsakes (within relative reason I.E. not taking shackle for hades when I already have boons) and I thought my build would've been good enough for hades so I didn't take the acorn

[twilit lodge]

Learning opportunity

[latent moon]

Unaruably

[lone mantle]

I have not solved my reincarnating save issue but I have completed the achievements and may now rest

Farewell

[dusky cypress]

swift strike applies to dash or no?

OMFG lmao

I just used the greater call of the god I spurned during a trial xD

I'm disappointed that didn't unlock some sort of achievement, although I'm very glad that it had special dialogue for "wtf bro"

dammitttttttt

I was < 1000 damage from not using a DD against asterius :(((

[cyan crown]

Why does haelian say taking poms from Elysium and Styx is not worth it?...

Are they not powerful

[brisk trail]

poms give diminishing returns

[dusky cypress]

^

also, exclusive access doesn't remove boons that can't show up in epic+? idk why but I swear there are boons I will literally never find in anything > rare

[dusky cypress]

omfg I'm dying

fecking em3 lmao

[vital tapir]

just choked a run so insanely hard for absolutely no reason

[high island]

The only boons that can't be epic are legendary boons and duo boons.

[high island]

What's the context?

[dusky cypress]

https://imgur.com/a/ObeVrkx

wish me luck I have 350/400 health and 3 DDs left and no idea how EM4 plays out lmfao

[high island]

I wish you perseverance.

[dusky cypress]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCk I had to be less than 2k away xD

omg that was everything I wished the initial fight was

goddamn

[dusky cypress]

and the music has a new arrangement holyfeckingsht

wow

I see why they put em4 behind a specific contractor barrier but wow that was worth it for the price of admission alone

jesus

[high island]

Err... swear filter.

[dusky cypress]

little bit disappointed I wasn't able to 1st try tho

that guitar riff on it, geez

and when I first heard it for a little while I thought I was listening to a rendition of in the blood

[dusky cypress]

I'm quite surprised that the "do a run with each hidden aspect" only requires you to reach the surface instead of like, actually beat hades with them

[random pilot]

does it count as a boonless run if you have chaos?

trigger dialogue?

[lean timber]

em4 is not quite something peoppe typically "first try." lmao

[dusky cypress]

the FoV is brutal

actually think my bow attempt got farther (all three attempts were just what the bonus wanted me to do even though I'm well aware I'd be better off just taking shield or doing a zagreus-spear run and hoping for skewer, idk)

omfggggggg after gaining some like 45 ambrosia I think???? I finally have my first instance where it tells me to use it ugghh

Also I imagine I got farther than the vast majority of first tries by even knowing there’s a third phase

[lean timber]

save your ambrosia for maxing companions imo

and forging bonds of course

[regal pawn]

out of curiosity which is weapon is best to use for ||pact of punishment|| spear or bow?

[rustic vale]

Probably achilles and zag bow respectively

First hermes, second hammer or chaos, first chamber of ely

[lean timber]

depends

idc about hammers on some weapons/aspects

i would take first hermes i think unless you desperately need a free chamber/blessing

[regal pawn]

personally when i use the spear i manage to clear the game faster and easier altough its risky because i end up dash attack spamming and end up playing more agressively whilst on the bow i ussually end up trying to take my time and keeping distance on the enemies and was curious is it worth it trying to beat hades with max extreme measures with a bow

got it, thanks

[signal aspen]

bow, shield, and rail are the only weapons to clear 60+ heat

true

[round summit]

I envy you because spear is my "we will not touch this today" weapon

It took 40 mins for my one and only spear run

[regal pawn]

true

[signal aspen]

i cant play spear without certain hammers

not even sub4

[round summit]

Yeah, I don't know how to clear fast with it

[signal aspen]

kill things faster

[round summit]

And I'm newer to the game anyways

finished epilogue = still new

[round summit]

Git gud kill faster

[high island]

Start Tidal Dash, then get either Lightning Strike + Static Discharge or Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark. Lots of poms on Tidal Dash and 1-3 on Static Discharge/Hunger's Mark.

Also look for t2 boons from Poseidon like Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals, etc.

[round summit]

Kill things with tidal dash, understood my favourite one

[snow skiff]

Can't tell if this is ironic

[signal aspen]

needs more ri

and also em4

also td0

td sucks

[slow crystal]

Where can I report a bug

[lean timber]

i'm curious as to what bug you could have found

development is pretty much stopped anyway

[high island]

You can use the contact form on their website. https://www.supergiantgames.com/contact/

[slow crystal]

Thanks

[rustic vale]

What is the bug?

Is it on here already?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit

[slow crystal]

No it's not

[raw herald]

What’s the bug

[slow crystal]

Grabbing the build 1 sec

[acoustic bolt]

@rustic vale do you run mods on your switch?

[rustic vale]

No 💪

[acoustic bolt]

So when you do frost strike spread fire are you just dying and running back until you get spread fire or do you just try to manage without it

[rustic vale]

If I don’t see what I want I generally give up the run and switch to a different weapon

Then come back to it next run

Or sometimes I stick it out all the way to hades

[slow crystal]

The bug was a lightning bolt hitting enemies on my default attack, aspect of beowulf, I'll post the build in #h1-builds-and-combat

[acoustic bolt]

Ok cause I don't love to just sit there and reset but zagrail frost strike doesn't really do very well at 36 lol

[latent moon]

Did you have sea storm

[slow crystal]

Yea

[latent moon]

The shield has a natural knockback that procs sea storm

[slow crystal]

Ohhhh

[rustic vale]

Like when I was doing heavy knuckle talos and didn’t find first hammer I just

Went

And finished hammerless

Ez

[latent moon]

Idk if it's technically a bug because there isn't a knockback boon on the shield but there is a knockback

So it does proc

[slow crystal]

Ok cool

[acoustic bolt]

I feel like Talos is more powerful than zagrail frost strike

[slow crystal]

I will use this to my advantage

[rustic vale]

Frost strike zag rail without spreadfire or flurry fire + arctic blast is horrible

[acoustic bolt]

But I guess I could just try to sell the attack and get something else

[latent moon]

I mean Zeus isn't great for beo as a whole but you do you lol

[rustic vale]

And flurry fire + arctic blast is still somewhat horrible it’s just less horirble

[slow crystal]

Yea ik I take what I can get tho

[acoustic bolt]

I've tried this like 5 times and only find arctic blast on runs with slow weapons I swear

[rustic vale]

anyways if I don’t see spreadfire in tart I generally just go use a different weapon and come back next run

I’m not throwing my escape : not escape ratio for reseting runs

[acoustic bolt]

My ratio is dead

34-36 killed it

It has ceased to be

[rustic vale]

Mine is close to 50% 💀

[acoustic bolt]

Nice

[daring comet]

Fought hades for the first time

Got to second phase

[latent moon]

very cool

[daring comet]

But died

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[rustic vale]

Very uncool

Smh my head my head

Should’ve just not died

[daring comet]

The real boss for me is the elysium enemies

[daring comet]

Yeah I should have dodged

[rustic vale]

True

[daring comet]

And not hit any of the attacks

[twilit lodge]

The real boss is the friends we made along the way

Based CotL pfp

Cerby

[vagrant rapids]

Dusa

[lean timber]

skelly

[twilit lodge]

Murderer

[vagrant rapids]

mmm....murderer!!!

[twilit lodge]

Hmm Switch moment but unless I’ve closed the game out recently it freezes for a sec when switching weapons

[lean timber]

certified switch moment

[twilit lodge]

Dusa really will talk about anything other than finishing her bond won’t she

[snow skiff]

My win loss ratio never was

[livid crescent]

so when zagreus says "this must be the last of them", does it always mean there's 3 to 4 more waves coming

seems like he's real bad at guessing

[sly ridge]

i love aspect of arthur so much

if i had a tierlist fow how much i love the hiddens aspects, arthur would be top tier

are there even any big downsides to arthur

[brisk trail]

yeah the slower movement

I would imagine in higher heats slower movement is deadly

[sly ridge]

yeah but

hermes boons counter that

[brisk trail]

but hermes only lifts about 10% usually

and hermes would take lower priority than other gods I woulod think

[sly ridge]

cant poms be used to increase the percent it increases

[brisk trail]

but would you waste a pom on hermes thogh

[sly ridge]

to be honest

yes

either that or me having the choice to upgrade some other boon that doesnt benefit me at all

if theres any boon i want with arthur

its artemis or hermes

i want the funny 400 damage crit

[brisk trail]

for me I perfer hammer double spec and athena main boons

[signal aspen]

No

[brisk trail]

with revenge side boons

[signal aspen]

Yes

[sly ridge]

so only rarity does

what are yalls top 3 favorite aspects

mines arthur, zeus, and talos

[brisk trail]

arthur,eye shield, punishment spear

[signal aspen]

It falls off in high heats because of the slow attack speed

[brisk trail]

no specific order

[signal aspen]

And in speedruns

[signal aspen]

Beowulf Zeus rama probably

[sly ridge]

one question

who do you talk to for the exa aspect

the hidden one

[signal aspen]

Zeus

[sly ridge]

oh

is the hidden aspect worth unlocking

[signal aspen]

Yeah it's pretty good

Every aspect is good and worth unlocking in casual play

[sly ridge]

yeah but i really

do not like using exagryph

or coronacht

[signal aspen]

Are you on kbm

[sly ridge]

whats kbm

[signal aspen]

Keyboard and mouse

[sly ridge]

no

im on switch

[signal aspen]

Oh

Idk then

[sly ridge]

the aiming is so wonky half the time

its like sometimes it just aims automatically at the nearest enemy

and half the time it doesnt

oh yeah

i never got around to asking

how does deflect work

i know it reflects projectiles, but how does it work against melee attackers

[signal aspen]

Most melee attacks can't be deflected

But there are some that can for some reason

Don't really know how that works

[sly ridge]

i guess its like a parry

[fading mirage]

[vagrant rapids]

You can turn off auto aim iirc, i know my one friend who played with controller did that

[latent moon]

Be gamer, don't die

Have a good pact and mirror as well

[vital tapir]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[latent moon]

Go in with a good build and aspect in mind

Also that

[vital tapir]

i really don’t recommend CP or JS but the rest of that is good

fr i just take coin purse and end up with the worst available duo boons

[latent moon]

Unshakeable mettle gaming

Calisthenics program and jury summons

[vital tapir]

ice wine gamig

[signal aspen]

Bruh

[vital tapir]

yeah those are some of the worst pact options LOL

[livid crescent]

argh i'm raging at the final boss fight. is it even possible to dodge and/or deflect his spin attack or anything else? its so frustrating that the last fight is 5x harder than everything else and right after you've been poisoned to oblivion

like, not just the fight mechanics, but I hate the way that rewards work for heat levels is like I just can't get any more good treasure or blood to upgrade my weapons if i repeatedly die at the end

[latent moon]

if you're struggling with styx poison, consider taking spear point

[livid crescent]

i'm also mad cause I held an egg for 3 stages and didn't see chaos once

[latent moon]

spin attack, you can dash through with iframes like he said. otherwise, dash out of range
when he throws the skulls at you, those can be deflected or dodged
the skull waves thingies, you can dash through the waves or kill the skulls
lasers, hide behind pillars or hug

[latent moon]

egg doesn't increase your chances of seeing chaos at all

[livid crescent]

i know

doesn't make me any less salty

[latent moon]

it's nearly never worth taking egg unless you bought a light of ixion from the well before the biome

and you dont need another god

1 is enough if you dont need a 2nd god keepsake

if you're running beo and get mirage in tart, def not necessary to take arty

could take dem for snurt i guess

eh

i mean

sure i guess lmao

i was gonna say, cast damage from chaos can get pretty fat

skill issue tbh

[livid crescent]

what is a good fist aspect

[latent moon]

demeter

also that

[livid crescent]

yeah was thinking you might say that

[latent moon]

eh it's not that bad

fists are good for climbing low heat

[livid crescent]

i'm still at like 3-4 heat

whats ME

[latent moon]

fists aren't locked into only using ME

merciful end

zap fists work fine and have good room clearance as well

[livid crescent]

how many runs do you guys have into this game where you know every boon by name?

[latent moon]

it isn't how many runs i've done to learn them, it's how long ive been in this server

well for me

i had like 130ish clears when i joined this server

and i didn't know a lot of them by name at all

now i have like 270ish? clears

zag fists plume is gaming but also can be pain lmao

yeah and i wasn't really familiar with those

i mean i was with some

[livid crescent]

i'm at 125 attempts, and 18 clears

[latent moon]

but also it's mainly the abbreviations

yeah spending time here will make you learn them lmao

i've basically memorized the pact and mirror because of this server lmao

by name

eh back then i didn't care about the mirror and never changed it

true

[livid crescent]

hmm? i usually play whichever is +rewards

[latent moon]

lmfao

skill issue

beo honestly doesnt need mirage to be good

it still has pretty good damage overall

unless youre using like, hunter's flare

[livid crescent]

should I just grind out 1-2 heat runs to get Harsh Conditions?

also do you guys actually switch up the mirror much?

[vital tapir]

like 3/4 of the mirror perks have one side that’s better no matter what

[livid crescent]

I have: shadow presence, dark regen, death defiance, greater reflex, boiling blood, infernal soul, deep pockets, thick skin, priviledged status, dark foresight, god's legacy, fated persuasion

are any of those "wrong"?

i mainly keep legacy because I'm still trying to check off fate lists

the pairings and legendaries

[rustic vale]

I think you take the opposite of dark regen normally

Pstatus is only used on builds that already actively use 2 status effects

chtonic vitality and usually, building pending, family favourites

[vital tapir]

i usually go stygian soul if it isn’t a castspect

and apparently fiery presence is the choice without damage control

[livid crescent]

yeah i don't have "builds", just random crap i find. i mean, do you really have enough influence to make a specific build every time?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[vital tapir]

stygian is just peace of mind for me, i hate hunting down bloodstones to get burning blood going

[rustic vale]

You can intentionally build full builds as soon as you can switch god keepsakes between biomes

[vital tapir]

usually you aim for a specific core boon or duo, or you just want a god in the pool(athena)

[rustic vale]

Fated persuasion just makes it easier to build your build but isn’t necessary to start doing intentional builds

Meme runs

[vital tapir]

fated authority fans when they spend 6 dice to get the god they want on chamber 4

[mint coral]

Fathed authorithy for the funny lvl 30+ hangover

[rustic vale]

Based

[vital tapir]

(it won’t give them the boon they want)

[rustic vale]

Fated authority for max poms on the drunken dash

🧠

[mint coral]

Routed trippy flarw foe the funny

[rustic vale]

Routed modded drunken dash max poms gaming

[mint coral]

*nasty dash gaming

[livid crescent]

if you have a choice between pom and centaur, which do you pick? do you have a health goal you try to hit or anything?

[rustic vale]

depends on how low my max hp currently is and how important poms are for the boons I have

[latent moon]

Also depends how early in the run it is

In tart I'll mostly always take pom

[rustic vale]

The cut off for hangover boons is never

[vital tapir]

in the em4 fight, does the second part of the spear throw do damage?

[latent moon]

The rush?

I dont think it doesn't

[rustic vale]

Hades when he does +150% damage after achilles rushing 😳/j

[latent moon]

Get boiling blooded

[vital tapir]

so it does?

[mint coral]

Hades spin aflicting another +150% to you

[rustic vale]

Hades spin healing him for 2 hp each time

🧠

[vital tapir]

every hit from hades should make you take +20% for the rest of the run

[rustic vale]

No

[latent moon]

Oh I meant to type "I don't think it does" lmao sorry

[tropic arrow]

For how long can bosses by charmed by Unhealthy Fixation?

It felt like less than 1 sec

[latent moon]

I think only hades is less than 1 sec

[signal aspen]

its 1/3 of the original duration

[latent moon]

Every other boss gets charmed for the normal amount

Oh nvm

It felt like the heroes were pretty long

[twilit lodge]

Real men charm their dad with Aphrodite aid

[signal aspen]

real men use aphro aid for the damage

[twilit lodge]

This is also true

[vital tapir]

charming dad sucks

[tropic arrow]

and since Unhealthy Fixation is always 4 sec and cannot be upgraded

It'll always be 4/3 sec?

[short glen]

No, it'll be one third of 4 seconds

Which might be what that's displaying

I'm not good at math notation

[twilit lodge]

That’s 4/3 seconds lmao

[signal aspen]

what

what boon increases charm duration

[twilit lodge]

Nvm I thought someone had said the charm was 1/3 of the weak duration it was proccing iff

[latent moon]

Charm is a separate thing from weak

[twilit lodge]

Off

But I see now it was that charm is 1/3 duration on bosses

[lean timber]

basic math: failed (like a boss 😎)

[rustic vale]

[lean timber]

1/3 fail is a 2/3 success

basic math: failed (like a boss 😎)

[twilit lodge]

Rama is kinda bonkers

Especially for lernie

[twilit lodge]

Hmm never seen the default clear screen only pin three things

Rama, explosive shot, triple shot

Only had one Pom and it was on arte dash maybe that’s why. No duos or legendary

[rustic vale]

I know victory screen reserves some slots I think?

[twilit lodge]

C1 hammer only had triple rip

[lean timber]

nightmare

[latent moon]

Explosive rama gaming

[rustic vale]

Wdym it’s literally meta on rama

[latent moon]

Relentless volley rama

[lean timber]

it is the most sloggish feeling thing ever

i hate it

[twilit lodge]

@lost hound are you asking about the third level of death defiance?

[lost hound]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

It’s never a bad thing to have

[lost hound]

i still dont know if i should go to this channel or #h1-for-new-players

because theres still so much for me to do

[twilit lodge]

Here is better because you don’t have to spoiler things that happen after your first clear

But it’s up to you I suppose

[lost hound]

i just recently found out about like

[twilit lodge]

You might wanna do some darkness runs so you can get your mirror leveled up

[lost hound]

the other mirror upgrades

[twilit lodge]

Like the alternate ones? Yellow icons

[lost hound]

i took family favorite and the one that increases(?) my chances

the other ones seem

harder

[twilit lodge]

Family favorite is pretty strong, Pstatus needs specific builds

[lean timber]

the ideal mirror is shut off completely

[twilit lodge]

Dark foresight is amazing and you should never turn it off

[lean timber]

wrong

you turn it off darkness farming

[twilit lodge]

Kappa

Darkness chamber rewards strong 💪

[lost hound]

oh

its demeter

or i assume it is

i expected her to be the final boss

[twilit lodge]

Fun fact she only shows up after you reach the surface at least once

But you won the first time you reached surface lol

Gamer

[lost hound]

oh

haha im just that good

I hid behind the shield

[twilit lodge]

If you lose to dad your first time, you would be able to see Demeter after that for example

[lost hound]

i dont know how im gonna make it through with the others

[twilit lodge]

By learning good universal build strategies

And gitting gud aka practicing

[latent moon]

ngl, one tricking for a weapon for a while will actually sorta help you with the other aspects

mainly enemy timings

[twilit lodge]

And darkness farming to an extent

[latent moon]

also true

[latent moon]

fun fact, if you reach the surface but die on the second run, you're not guaranteed to see demeter that run because you have a hammer start

4th run is hermes start, 5th is pos call start iirc

i'd assume it'd follow the same rules if you got to the surface on runs 1-4

[twilit lodge]

Pos call such a bad call to have for tutorial lmao

[vital tapir]

hermes start is bonkers

[latent moon]

i got hyper sprint from hermes start and later rd lmao

[vital tapir]

does dying on the surface always guarantee a hammer start next run)

?

[twilit lodge]

No

But reaching the surface first time guarantees Demeter

Next run

[latent moon]

it's only because i reached the surface on run 2, and run 3 is a guaranteed hammer start no matter what because story

[twilit lodge]

Unless other scripted c1 takes priority

Surface run2 is gaming

Now post your 25 heat clear with aspect of ce like that one guy’s “friend” lmao

Hi guys I’m new but look how good my gaming chair is

[rustic vale]

Cap

cap

You don’t turn it off darkness farming because killing bosses faster from boons is better than negligible chamber darkness rewards

[lean timber]

speed means nothing

only darkness matters

[rustic vale]

speed

Means next run faster

Next bosses faster

More darkness sooner

[lean timber]

ratio + dnc

[latent moon]

very doable with sword after you get enough darkness run1 for 1 dd and extra dash

[latent moon]

ngl the only issue with not taking DF is that you might not get any good boons and die to dad

[rustic vale]

Ff is possible

So clearly run 2 surface is possible

[latent moon]

i mean yeah it's possible but it's extremely difficult

oh wait surface run 2

you can actually get to surface run 1 lmao

i want to try that but that'll take too much time

[rustic vale]

I’m too bad with sword for ff

[twilit lodge]

Just get the boons

There’s only like 2 of them on ff

[latent moon]

just get ME

[twilit lodge]

So how hard can it be

[rustic vale]

I’m bad at using sword ignoring any rng problems

[latent moon]

same

that's why i did bow on run2 with guaranteed zeus

[twilit lodge]

Sword dstrike is in fact not based

[rustic vale]

Sword dstrike is based

Gotta love dedge being the only scaler hoarding slash has

[twilit lodge]

I always go past them too far

[rustic vale]

I just have a skissue

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-24849411

[rustic vale]

Skelly appears?

sheeesh

[twilit lodge]

That’s captain schelemeus

[lost hound]

This makes me so happy

Multiple titan's blood from earlier levels

[latent moon]

titan blood farming time

get those maxed aspects

[rustic vale]

Darkness farming time for me

maybe legit runs and not meme runs idk

[twilit lodge]

Spend them all on ||talos||

Jk spend them all on zagspear

[lost hound]

I don't really know what i want to spend them on

[rustic vale]

Zag rail is based af

[lost hound]

I like the shield but realistically i can't expect to get better by hiding behind it every run

[twilit lodge]

Chaos shield

[rustic vale]

No

Not chaos shield

[twilit lodge]

Very cool, entirely egg

[lost hound]

I do like the gauntlets

[rustic vale]

It’s literally the worst shield

I’m going to try my hardest not to meme on newbies

[latent moon]

nemesis, achilles, zag/zeus, zag/hera, dem, any rail for aspects

[twilit lodge]

Hard dn

[lost hound]

I liked the Zeus shield

[latent moon]

zeus shield is gamer

[rustic vale]

Zeus shield is based

[lost hound]

I really like it with effects based on specials

[rustic vale]

not that it really needs levels

[lean timber]

just use bow

[lost hound]

Like Dionysus or artemis'

[latent moon]

the special seems difficult to use but it's really simple

[latent moon]

zeus on zeus shield is gonna be the best

[rustic vale]

Zeus shield doesn’t really need levels tbh

[latent moon]

true

is base lvl 15 damage

[lean timber]

nuh uh base is 8

[rustic vale]

since the base damage of the special doesn’t matter

Yeah base is 8

[latent moon]

oh bruh how they gonna make base 8 and max lvl 30

cringe

but yeah it doesn't really matter lmao

[rustic vale]

5 6 5 6

[lean timber]

goofy ahh scaling 💀

[twilit lodge]

Zeus shield with a strong % atk like aphro (hopefully not common)

[rustic vale]

💀

With strong % special and flat damage attack

🧠

Joking

joking

[twilit lodge]

Slash jay

[rustic vale]

No

[latent moon]

ngl any % on zeus shield atk is fine except tempest

[rustic vale]

Slash jay is cringe

[lean timber]

r slash hades

[twilit lodge]

Zeus shield with ME, ares atk Athena special 💪

[latent moon]

that's an actual thing lmao

[lean timber]

honestly

yeah

it works

[twilit lodge]

Someone make this work

[latent moon]

zeus is the one ME aspect that doesn't need ddash

[twilit lodge]

Based

I guess it would work huh

[latent moon]

y'all better not say chiron

[lean timber]

hey dad can you stand here i uhhh i need to uh

[twilit lodge]

You just dstrike to put the doom on

While shield deflects

[latent moon]

best part is that they're interchangeable

[lean timber]

ew

don't say that ew

[twilit lodge]

Frees up your dash for hunter dash!!

Or nasty dash if you’re feeling nasty

[lean timber]

yay 20 extra points of damage!! i'm rich!!

[twilit lodge]

ME Chiron but you never end up popping your dooms

[rustic vale]

Slash kay

[rustic vale]

[lean timber]

ME chiron can hit 600+ if you get the boons

it's got sauce

on jah

[latent moon]

rolley + fat impending

[twilit lodge]

Ares atk me Chiron based

[rustic vale]

Dire lucifortune moment

[lean timber]

you don't need rolley honestly from a doom only perspective u only need swift flourish, impending, dire misfortune, and to mash X

[twilit lodge]

Press X to not die

[rustic vale]

And relentless and concentrated

[lean timber]

press X to get killed anyway because special takes 8 years, give or take

[lean timber]

doom only

read!!

[rustic vale]

Then just relentless

to stack up the dire misfortune

[twilit lodge]

Charged volley

[lean timber]

oh

oh right i

forgot that exists

[twilit lodge]

So you do more dmg

[latent moon]

rolley moment

[rustic vale]

Classic matty moment

not knowing how things work

[lean timber]

"oh hey than i sure hope we don't run into any illegal builds down here in tartarus" charged volley chiron:

[latent moon]

charged volley chiron is gaming

[twilit lodge]

Can you get duplicate hammers with mods?

Conc conc Chiron when

[latent moon]

at that point just modify the hammer to give +6 per hit

instead of like

[lean timber]

just make a win button lmao

[latent moon]

getting duplicate hammers

[lean timber]

my best hades run clear time is 0:00.89

(modded seeded routed)

[twilit lodge]

That’s so slow!!

Check out my 0:00.03 heroes

[latent moon]

isn't the wr for first boon pick up faster than this

[lean timber]

yep lol

[latent moon]

based

imagine not being faster than picking up the first boon

[lean timber]

i have a lot of input lag 💔

[latent moon]

my fastest first boon was .98 seconds rip

[lean timber]

that's my record lol

[latent moon]

scammed

[lean timber]

actually mine is .85 i think

[livid crescent]

is everyone here pro mlg speedrun gamers

[twilit lodge]

Several people are typing

[rustic vale]

Imagine not having switch lag so that you can have a time i. The negatives

[lean timber]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Oh yeah definitely

[latent moon]

no, only one of the people typing has a sub7

and they're washed

[twilit lodge]

I’m a team darkside mole

[rustic vale]

I have a sub3

[lean timber]

i have the 2nd best ever hera time on switch according to speedrun.com

[latent moon]

lmfao

[rustic vale]

But the files got erased by the supergiant from supergiant games

[lean timber]

i am not

[lost hound]

Okay so what is each god's focus? Like some are obvious
Artemis is crits, Aphrodite is defensive debuffs, hermes is speed
But others aren't as obvious imo

[latent moon]

i am hehehe

[rustic vale]

Wdym

[lean timber]

i'm coming for you

[latent moon]

actually aphrodite is fat damage lmao

[lost hound]

Like what their boons focus on

[lean timber]

athena is the defensive one, she is literally holding a shield my man

[latent moon]

ares is damage over time, athena is defensive with good % damage

[lost hound]

Oh yeah

Like what's Poseidon's deal? Crowd control?

[rustic vale]

Arte crit
Athena deflect/defence
Pos bounce around/ big riches
Ares doom and blades
Dem slow
Aphro, deal big damage take less damage

[latent moon]

dio is damage over time as well

[rustic vale]

dio hangover drunk

[latent moon]

yeah

[livid crescent]

pos is all knockback

[lean timber]

dio is honestly pretty defensive. a lot of his t1s give you good health to work with + bonuses like nectar and all that

[livid crescent]

zeus is zappyboi etc

[lean timber]

but yeah he does damage as well

[twilit lodge]

Ares: Doom
Athena: Deflect
Aphrodite: Weak
Zeus: Lightning
Demeter: Stubborn Defiance
Poseidon: Splash Dash
Artemis: Crits
Hermes: Flurry Cast

[snow skiff]

kinda

trying to get 2 of the same thing just makes it lvl2

like loyalty card

[latent moon]

true

[lean timber]

level 2 charged skewer

[snow skiff]

makes it add more dmg

[reef glen]

Whats the strongest aspect for fists? at least at level 1?

[lean timber]

erm

demeter

pretty much the whole way thru

[latent moon]

yeah lmao

[reef glen]

Run with zeus attack I assume?

[lean timber]

sure

that always works for fists

get a nice beefy special + chaos blessings + exploding upper = win button

[twilit lodge]

And roll your dstrikes into duppers

Whenever cutter is charged for sure, but also in general it’s good

[livid crescent]

why no achievement for greater call dad during dad fight? 😦

[lean timber]

me stuck in 16 years of hitlag because i accidentally specialed instead of dash specialed and hit something:

[lean timber]

he do not care

[livid crescent]

what's the worst punishment? routine inspection?

[rustic vale]

Hmm

Between that and ap2 idk

[twilit lodge]

Heightened security 🔒

[lean timber]

ri is pretty harsh but manageable. ap is completely up to your rng if it's okay or not. combined, they're nightmares

[latent moon]

ap2 is just annoying for the starting boon if you dont have modded

and if you're using sword, you're gonna get very crappy hammers

[lost hound]

Oh my god where was hypnos when i reached the surface?

I just realized I didn't see him

It hurts when your biggest supporter isn't there to congratulate you

He's the only one I've given two nectars

[twilit lodge]

Lol

If you die to dad he has funny dialogue

If you live he does too tbh

I’d suggest giving nectars out more though

[lean timber]

sometimes he just decides not to be there

fell asleep in the break room

[lost hound]

Fake friend smh

[rustic vale]

True real friends never sleep

That’s why I’m the only real friend ever

[lost hound]

Zagreus would never sleep when a friend needs him most

Ignore the flashback scene that never happened

[twilit lodge]

Hypnos is the one who made that possible

[brisk trail]

Have any of you tried olympusextra

[livid crescent]

what's best spear aspect?

[twilit lodge]

Achilles

[twilit lodge]

Eternal chamber or triple beam for super soaker?

[latent moon]

eternal

[twilit lodge]

C7 sea storm lmfao

[latent moon]

based

that's pretty much why you want eternal lmao

[vital tapir]

triple beam often doesn’t do much

[twilit lodge]

I’ve got pos atk Zeus cast ddash

Which god for asphodel?

[lean timber]

triple beam lucy

maybe i'm just on switch and console autoaim sucks for triple anything but God is it inconsistent

i hate everything triple

[vital tapir]

it’s pretty good on bow

[lean timber]

no it's quite poopy on bow

[vital tapir]

just maxed out fated persuasion

[lean timber]

source: i don't like it

k now do authority

[vital tapir]

Nope

[twilit lodge]

Flash fire or piercing fire?

Apparently piercing will let me shoot through theseus shield which sounds ballin

[acoustic bolt]

are rod bolts affected by Distant Memory?

[lean timber]

hmm

actually i don't know and i never thought about it

they could be

[acoustic bolt]

i only thought about it just now because it may have been relevant. i mean 30% is a lot for flat damage

[vital tapir]

120 hours in this game and i just realized the boon list is in chronological order

[twilit lodge]

Roughly but it sometimes gets jumbled I feel like

Tfw you try to catch a fish on the surface slow enough for it to be a trout

And it gets away

[reef glen]

Triple bow point blank 3 shots at once

[lean timber]

you have like three seconds to pull it out my man how long did you wait

[reef glen]

All my years fishing in Pokemon has led me to this

[vital tapir]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1026026559343169566/unknown.png?width=1053&height=592 how about you shut up !

[latent moon]

Skill issue

[twilit lodge]

You can tell him to shut up actually

Doesn’t last long

[acoustic bolt]

ok so is the demeter/ares duo just worse than slicing shot on it's own?

[twilit lodge]

Just noticed there’s a victory subtitle “Robbed Thanatos”

[twilit lodge]

Yes because slicing shot on its own can still become hunting blades

[latent moon]

I mean probably because it's smaller so you're hitting less? The shot is terrible to begin with and the only saving grace is that it's large

[acoustic bolt]

you can't get both? anyway on this particular run i can't get arty so blah

[latent moon]

Oh yeah you cant get both

Because it'd be like

A trio lol

[acoustic bolt]

i mean you can get scintillating feast and icy wine

so there's precedent

[latent moon]

Oh

Well

Get scammed I suppose lmao

[acoustic bolt]

hmm this is another failed frost strike spread fire run

because i'm not actually allowed to find that hammer

[twilit lodge]

But the base cast for those is badwait a second

[latent moon]

Why can't you just mod that in if you're trying to do a run based around it

I do get that you like the randomness but this sounds like the one time you actually want a run based around a certain hammer lol

[twilit lodge]

25/26 runs cleared with pressure points

Secret op boon?

[acoustic bolt]

i donno i think it'll feel good if i do it naturally and when it fails it's satisfying to convert it into a win

or i can convert it into this travesty and die to the champs probably

[twilit lodge]

8/8 frost flourish clears 💀

And despite my complaints about dem call it’s also a perfect boon on my record

Smair too :0

[acoustic bolt]

well smair is op

what heat are you on?

[twilit lodge]

16 is my highest

[acoustic bolt]

ah those were good times

[twilit lodge]

My bounties are all much lower though

Blade dash one of my few never cleared boons, lightning rod too

Lightning rod op I thought

[acoustic bolt]

some people here don't think it's good. it's probably just too slow for speed running and high heat

but i love it

[twilit lodge]

Lightning rod with Stygian soul 🧠 🧠 💪

[reef glen]

How do you defeat Charon?

[acoustic bolt]

just kidding failed spread fire frost dies to lernie

[reef glen]

Does he get more difficult the further you get on your run?

[twilit lodge]

Fight him in Elysium for better chance