Hey all I knew back then was ME and it was strong
#h1-discussion
latent moon
swift inlet
First clear was chaos shield w doom lmao
iron python
I weirdly did it with the Exagryph
twilit lodge
My first was ME sword
latent moon
Unga bunga goes hard
twilit lodge
Stop giving them ideas tbh
high island
It's always been the case that if you hand Amir some coins, he'll give you better boons.
twilit lodge
Hades 2 coming soon
latent moon
Premium pass let's you reroll lootboxes
high island
P2W just like gacha games.
twilit lodge
Now powered by Activision
latent moon
HEAdes
twilit lodge
Hades 2: Minoan Warfare
latent moon
Hades nEAuts
swift inlet
SupergEAnt Games
On rails section where you're firing the miniguns from the Macedonian
latent moon
Turn off aim at cursor for fps games
twilit lodge
Guys I just prestiged
Slowest dad fight of my life
He keeps walking out of my meme beams
swift inlet
yep
twilit lodge
Fortunately phase 2 has lots of standing still moments
Bing Chilles
Zag just got wile e coyote’d
livid crescent
so is guan yu the worst weapon (at lvl 1 anyways)
twilit lodge
Yes
livid crescent
lol i didn't make it out of tartarus
friggin alecto destroyed me and my 3 defiances
she's the worst fury to get imo too
twin tide
Yeah Alecto is the most annoying personally but the furies are pretty easy
livid crescent
yeah just not at -70% health for me
tepid light
Person below me has to do boonless chaos shield on their next run
twilit lodge
No I dont
grim arrow
latent moon
Person below me has to do boonless chaos shield on their next run
It's easy if it's modded
Shackle cshot lmao
The real challenge would be at what heat
tepid light
I don't play modded, so I was just thinking full vanilla raw-dog
latent moon
I mean you just keep restarting until cshot start with modded it's just much shorter
tepid light
Restarting is for weaklings
latent moon
Tmw boonless challenge but you start with a boon
twilit lodge
So is dash striking
warm nimbus
latent moon
If I can hit the 4 witch meg then yeah
Oh wait for mm
For MM yeah witches is fine
Even if I don't hit the 4 witches with meg on MM it's still manageable
lean timber
imagine megging witches this post made by brilliant riposte athena dash
snow skiff
I hate witches because hitting 4 meg with any dc on is literally impossible
But also mm pcouple is extremely obnoxious
lean timber
i disagree i think it's only moderately obnoxious
snow skiff
still slower than the other 2 tho lololol
terse geyser
But also mm pcouple is extremely obnoxious
does mm do anything to the gorgon
snow skiff
yeah it teleports
terse geyser
eugh
lean timber
does mm do anything to the gorgon
it gives your peripherals artificial input lag
terse geyser
impossible.
my peripherals only have input lag when I'm losing.
vital tapir
mm is actually good for pcouple because the gorgon can’t go camp in a corner
snow skiff
the strat for standard pcouple is just meg and speedkill them anyway
latent moon
Also thwomp shockwaves suck
snow skiff
lol @ em4 thwomp not inheriting mm shockwave
latent moon
Middle management moment
twilit lodge
Right but grizz said mm is good for pcouple because then the gorgon can’t hide in a corner
Implying that non mm gorgon can or does
Which I’ve never seen and I’ve only done non mm
high island
Megagorgon always wants to be at a certain distance from Zagreus.
Pretty much all of the ranged enemies behave like that.
high island
Some enemies move a lot faster at very high FPS. Megagorgon is one of them.
high island
Well, it's unintended behavior lol.
twilit lodge
Lots of games have that unintended behavior
Monster hunter rise on pc with higher frame rate means the monsters track you better with attacks
Sucks to suck
Switch squad
lean timber
fps limiter/capper: broke
playing switch so your fps naturally never exceed 45: woke
twilit lodge
snow skiff
the loading screen of death after you take a miniboss door in elysium on switch
twilit lodge
Nani?
snow skiff
baswically if it takes a very long time to load you know its asterius
twilit lodge
Icicic
snow skiff
rmacinyt
raw herald
5+3=7
snow skiff
what do i suck
raw herald
counter
rustic vale
Some enemies move a lot faster at very high FPS. Megagorgon is one of them.
Switch gaming 💪
lean timber
hard viper
signal aspen
hard viper
what exactly is blitz disc btw? Just want to know before buying zeus shield upgrade
signal aspen
throw out a beyblade
hard viper
i thought that was the normal special
signal aspen
yeah
twilit lodge
Sword shield fist, for zag aspects anyway
Since they have specials you can ignore but put Athena on
raw herald
Zagrail is better than all of those
twilit lodge
How should you do neMEsis
raw herald
Yes
raw herald
How should you do neMEsis
Build the same as every other me weapon, play the same as normal sword
random pilot
see my victory boasting i just posted
.
i just kept calling to add even more dodge chance
signal aspen
Beat ME aspect is probably nemesis, zag rail or guan yu
hestia
vital tapir
wait can second wind overlap with itself
west hemlock
twilit lodge
I play hades on a refrigerator
lean timber
I play hades on a refrigerator
me setting a pb on samsung smart fridge
strong ridge
i’m gamein
lean timber
do you have a source for your claim
rustic vale
Beat ME aspect is probably nemesis, zag rail or guan yu
Zag rail best melee aspect
Best
MElee aspect as well
rustic vale
Beat ME aspect is probably nemesis, zag rail or guan yu
Unironically think zag sword > nem sword for ME just cuz hyper delivery
marble sky
What would be faster? High confidence + FO1 or Thick skin + FO2? im still tinkering with EM2
marble sky
Well the thing is with it, its hard for me to keep confidence up most of the time, so im trying to compensate for it
vital tapir
just use thick skin
rustic vale
What would be faster? High confidence + FO1 or Thick skin + FO2? im still tinker...
Em2 fo2 run rn
do it
Do it
marble sky
Thick skin it is then.
dusky cypress
its just 25% damage bonus
~~also is it even damage bonus or does it specify attack...~~its damage, but kind of feels/seems like bonus damage is given out like candy + health ups might not be as generous
rustic vale
~~also is it even damage bonus or does it specify attack...~~its damage, but kin...
It’s global iirc
Feels like a random assumption
dusky cypress
because I haven't used it that often?
I mean I've only done like 16 comleted runs or smthn
rustic vale
Anyways if speedrunning like they were asking about with “which is faster?” you take high confidence most of the time
or actually like all of the time I believe
marble sky
Yeah the global 25% sounds really good. But FO2 does too. So i guess FO2 and thick skin, over FO1 and confidence?
rustic vale
But if you aren’t used to it and practicing thick skin is fine
marble sky
I can keep confidence up often on FO1
lean timber
the lernie tax is real
twilit lodge
Lernie tax evasion
rustic vale
Lernie tax is only real if your name isn’t @rustic vale
lean timber
marble sky
What fo you mean lernie "tax" please feel free to whoosh me
dusky cypress
so is breaking waves as good as its seemed in my two runs I've seen/gotten it (150 damage if hit enemy against a barrier)?
eventually zagreus starts calling bone hydra lernie
idk what the tax part is
terse geyser
What fo you mean lernie "tax" please feel free to *whoosh* me
he is good at killing you if you oops
rustic vale
What fo you mean lernie "tax" please feel free to *whoosh* me
Losing a dd to em2 lernie is lernie tax
It’s tax on your dd’s for having a faster run
marble sky
Is there a consistent way to speed him up then?
twilit lodge
so is breaking waves as good as its seemed in my two runs I've seen/gotten it (1...
It’s v good for Styx
rustic vale
Is there a consistent way to speed him up then?
Em2
marble sky
Yeah i meant with em2
twilit lodge
100 damage is huge especially combined with global buffs
rustic vale
And also em2 isn’t always tax it’s just sometimes
rustic vale
Yeah i meant with em2
FO2?
The reason em2 is faster is the heads are closer together
rustic vale
so is breaking waves as good as its seemed in my two runs I've seen/gotten it (1...
Breaking wave is good yes
marble sky
Im doing a challenge with some peeps on most wins in 90 minutes. I find myself with a 50/50 on hc, FO2, EM2
latent moon
Is there a consistent way to speed him up then?
Em2 can be consistently fast it's just dangerous
rustic vale
Im doing a challenge with some peeps on most wins in 90 minutes. I find myself w...
90 rta or igt
marble sky
Rta
latent moon
90 rta is like at least a 40 minute run?
marble sky
Kinda yeah
twilit lodge
Imagine clearing once and then you have to go to the bathroom
Lose tourney be sadge
rustic vale
90 rta is such a short amount of time
latent moon
twilit lodge
Yeah it’s less than half of a lord of the rings movie
latent moon
A 10 minute igt is like 30 minutes rta
twilit lodge
Maybe if scum happy
latent moon
What
rustic vale
how are you supposed to rng manip anvil with an igt limit smh
latent moon
Git gud
rustic vale
Is there a heat minimum for this tourney?
latent moon
32 heat minimum
rustic vale
If no legit just use fo2 and em2
latent moon
Or fo1 at least
rustic vale
Fo3 at least
latent moon
Minimum would be fo1 if you can't handle em2 and fo2
rustic vale
jolted enjoyers if fo3, 4, 5 was a thing 
💀
Just adapt to fo2
ez
Honestly cold fusion would actually be pretty good with fo5 I think
twilit lodge
Imagine thinking
dusky cypress
so I'm doing my first heat w/ the timer, is 5 minutes for tartarus a good omen for being able to do elysium/styx/hades in 9 minutes or am I likely boned? lol
spear run btw
vital tapir
only one way to find out
unless you’re doing every trove and erebus gate and generally just stalling TD1 shouldn’t be a problem
rustic vale
so I'm doing my first heat w/ the timer, is 5 minutes for tartarus a good omen ...
You’ll still have all your left over time
so yes it’s a good sign
Like your 4 remaining minutes will carry over +9:00 for new biome
twilit lodge
Just don’t go afk with the game unpaused
dusky cypress
cool
raw herald
Rta:igt isn’t the same ratio as you get slower
rustic vale
They aren’t using td3
twilit lodge
Sub0 rta or you’re not a gamer
rustic vale
Sub0 rta or you’re not a gamer
I have
latent moon
Quit game any%
dusky cypress
lol just had a like 30 second soulcatcher miniboss fight w/ spear
helps that I remember to use my special for the +50% attack but its still funny/looks weird when I remember previously taking like 2+ minutes on it
rustic vale
I keep forgetting you have to upgrade aspects lmfao when you said special for +50% attack I got so confused
btw it’s also the same bonus as additional cast damage
twilit lodge
I remember my first or second butterfly ball
Died because there were just adds everywhere
rustic vale
I remember my first or second butterfly ball
I don’t it was probably centuries ago
twilit lodge
Was one of my first times even getting to ely
dusky cypress
no special is basically all I'm using for spear builds now, I've learned that much lol
dang it I meant to say cast
yeah I'll have a little over 18 minutes or barely > half my total IGT for it... I think I'll make it
rustic vale
For achilles you normal go like tidal dash from posiedon then artemis attack and then ares cast and along the way hope for flurry jab
dusky cypress
probably means I'm good enough for 7:00 that's nice (although I say that not knowing what 20-30-40 looks like + only using spear lol)
rustic vale
You can def take tf2
rustic vale
probably means I'm good enough for 7:00 that's nice (although I say that not kno...
Go td8 rn
latent moon
Aspho is short but stair room exists
rustic vale
Aspho is short but stair room exists
Stairs room is so long 
twilit lodge
I don’t like stairs room
Or the super tiny room because the magma in between the floor is wider than it looks I swear
dusky cypress
I got overconfident and felt like I was p close to losing because I ended up going into hades w/ only like 198 health lol
twilit lodge
How many DDs?
dusky cypress
98 health + 1 DD w/ 200 max health
twilit lodge
Rip
latent moon
is eschewing healthups for powerups as common as I imagine w/ td?
You still want a good amount of hp
twilit lodge
I don’t take health over boons/hammers unless it’s a god I don’t want
dusky cypress
vicious skewers base and crit probably helped that runs DPS out immensely (I think I got it in asphodel)
I mean... 200 health and 3 feckin' DDs is a lot isn't it lol
twilit lodge
Poms vs health depends on how much you want Poms on your boons, some don’t benefit too much
latent moon
I mean... 200 health and 3 feckin' DDs is a lot isn't it lol
You're out of DDs
dusky cypress
the 200 health thing no but if I make a habit of tds anyways
twilit lodge
I’ve had 300hp runs before 
First time trying benefits package leggo
Based chaos gate letting me dodge forced Zeus
Ayyye nyx up in chaos
iron grove
Hmm... Something random I noticed a while back. Is there a reason why all the 'lens flares' in Hades are octagonal? Some subtle reference I'm missing or just a style choice? e.g.: https://i.imgur.com/GD5Sbfk.png
twilit lodge
Man this neMEsis run is going great
I’m in ely and Athena and ares both have only shown up once
twilit lodge
Hmm... Something random I noticed a while back. Is there a reason why all the 'l...
I see no lens flare in this pic chief
iron grove
Sorta around the torch? Not sure what to call it
Happens around light sources all around the game
twilit lodge
That’s called bokeh
Irl
Fun Wikipedia article
Also why do I only have 4 boons in ely
Ugh
Rng been horrible lately
livid crescent
whats the most OP aspect?
iron grove
That’s called bokeh
Ooh interesting...!
rustic vale
whats the most OP aspect?
Beowulf
Normally I hate calling aspects better than others because it’s kinda subjective but beowulf stands above all
livid crescent
interesting. i have it "revealed" but not bought any levels in it yet.
lean timber
whats the most OP aspect?
hera
rustic vale
interesting. i have it "revealed" but not bought any levels in it yet.
The levels aren’t really necessary to see it’s strength
yes they help but you can do beo without it
Just need to know how to build it
twilit lodge
How does beo even work?
livid crescent
i mean its not unlocked yet even
rustic vale
Tip:
Mirage shot is bugged to do 100% rather than 30% of the damage on all the flares other than thunder flare
twilit lodge
Bull rush launches cast?
rustic vale
Bull rush launches cast?
Yes
twilit lodge
Gaming
rustic vale
or if using cshot then they pop out at the end of your rush
rustic vale
Flares are different from normal casts
Also another tip to go along with the mirage shot one:
Arte attack gets mileage on beo due to loading cast giving additive and at that point it just needs tidal flare to get mirage shot
just get tidal flare first
latent moon
Normally I hate calling aspects better than others because it’s kinda subjective...
Eris also exists
rustic vale
Eris also exists
Zag rail >>>>>> eris
latent moon
Okay buddy
rustic vale
I’m a spreadfire zag rail stan
latent moon
Spread fire zag rail is just worse heavy knuckle
rustic vale
Spread fire zag rail is just worse heavy knuckle
That is backwards 
twilit lodge
Spread fire is the only hammer I haven’t seen yet
Actually that’s a lie I haven’t seen explosive or charged skewer either
Well, haven’t picked them up for the prophecy so same thing at this point
rustic vale
Actually that’s a lie I haven’t seen explosive or charged skewer either
The combo
Explosive launcher + charged skewer = win
twilit lodge
latent moon
Well, haven’t picked them up for the prophecy so same thing at this point
Those aren't compatible with Achilles and exploding is incompatible with gy
So don't use those
twilit lodge
Ah that would be why
latent moon
Yeah I had that same problem lol
lean timber
Those aren't compatible with Achilles and exploding is incompatible with gy
do you have a source for that information
rustic vale
do you have a source for that information
The game
lean timber
rustic vale
Matty in shambles
Matty how do I play hera
I think you left me hanging yesterday
Unless I missed it
lean timber
.
rustic vale
So uh
lean timber
do you have questions
rustic vale
Is your hera pb also 30 minutes?
lean timber
37 💔
rustic vale
just guessing based off your suggestions
lean timber
it's good tho 💔
covert saddle
So is it just me or is guan yu linda bad
rustic vale
So is it just me or is guan yu linda bad
It’s just you and everyone else who doesn’t know how to play it
lean timber
savage
rustic vale
Don’t use spin
Focus on the special
Take charged skewer
Use arte or aphrodite flourish
covert saddle
Im supposed to get this to the surface?
rustic vale
it’ll work
I’ve won using at at like 20 heat or something with shattered shackle and no cores on attack/special and cast.
So that means you can do it with cores and do better 👍
covert saddle
I like lucifer and arthur
lean timber
guan yeezy
because it's not the same dash as your default dash
it's shorter and also sucks more
lean timber
they suck
lean timber
kills you
rustic vale
Anyways matty do you have legit advice or shall I play discount beo how I think you’re supposed to build it
Without any cores?
sure
bet
lean timber
shackle hera is literally hell on earth
do not run it lol
i mean basic hera build is crush shot
that's literally
the build
i won't tell you more cuz tbh beyond that i'm just experimenting myself
i'm certainly not at a level to give advice
rustic vale
You can get non-cores on first boon right?
lean timber
yeah on unmodded
twilit lodge
In peasant unmodded world yes
rustic vale
shackle hera is literally hell on earth
I’m about to experience it for the second time
This time with no dash and no call
twilit lodge
If I’m c33 and have one boon from 4 gods and 2 Hermes should I just give up
rustic vale
If I’m c33 and have one boon from 4 gods and 2 Hermes should I just give up
No
Go all the way
rustic vale
If I’m c33 and have one boon from 4 gods and 2 Hermes should I just give up
Sell all your boons in midbiome chamber before styx
Get boonless dialogue from dad
Profit???
twilit lodge
Maybe
I do have a 4th dd this run lmao
That’s where all my luck went
Athena really offering me common ddash after this struggle
Right before heroes
lean timber
we take those
rustic vale
Walking into tis fight with shackle, +1 chaos cast, and 255 total max hp mostly gotten from erebus gates taken to avoid boons
I also have lightning reflexes which will need to be sold at some point
idk
vital tapir
are the tier 1 non cores even that good
rustic vale
I’m running persuasion
twilit lodge
Following the theme of this run, Styx shop has two pos one aphro
rustic vale
are the tier 1 non cores even that good
Heavens vengeance exists I guess
vital tapir
hermes is great
rustic vale
Hermes is great
twilit lodge
Hermes is not egg
rustic vale
Bro twin strike shattered shackle goes hard
lean timber
hermes is neither cool nor egg.
rustic vale
Especially with 4 shattered shackle casts
lean timber
Bro twin strike shattered shackle goes hard
i'm gonna cause physical harm to you, this is a credible threat
put down your switch and run
rustic vale
Matty is related to the duolingo owl 😳
snow skiff
i mean basic hera build is crush shot
crush shot snurst*
no snurst hera kinda sad in styx
rustic vale
Now do I sell quick reload and lightning reflexes rn and go for full run boonless
Or do I only play coreless
rustic vale
Oh btw I’m accidentally running SD instead of DD
lean timber
you don't need dds lol
rustic vale
True
I want this run to end sooner rather than later
Matty what is something else I can do to make you want to physically hurt me
dusky cypress
yeah I've come back to the conclusion that the 25% damage bonus from high confidence isn't that good and the 50 health is too much (my main argument being that you can either forgo another 2 centaur hearts for more poms/boons or get the same amount of hearts)
rustic vale
HC is for speedrunners
It’s for general use
rustic vale
anyways they are trying to speedrun irrc no?
Or is it someone else who is
Someones trying to do most games done in 90 minute rta and was talking about high confidence or thick skin
snow skiff
if youre struggling it can be useful to play thick skin to get used to it
twilit lodge
They’re trying to do TD1 and 2, far cry from trying to speedrun
snow skiff
breakpoints 
twilit lodge
Someones trying to do most games done in 90 minute rta and was talking about hig...
Someone else
snow skiff
so annoying how witches have like 2 health after 1 beo dstrike
lean timber
haha yeah HATE THAT
rustic vale
@lean timber lernie@is going down to coreboneless hera
twilit lodge
Hera is just boneless zagbow
rustic vale
Hera is just boneless zagbow
Hera and chiron are both discount zag bow
lean timber
lean timber
do you have a source for your claim
rustic vale
so clearly arte strike zag bow >>> arte strike rama
solar oriole
We talking about bow?
lean timber
no we're talking about rama rail
solar oriole
Ah
rustic vale
We talking about bow?
Yes
solar oriole
Which one is Rama again?
rustic vale
Hidden bow
lean timber
hidden rail
solar oriole
hidden rail
That’s Lucifer
lean timber
twilit lodge
Thanksgiving Lucifer
lean timber
thanksgiving lucifer indeed
solar oriole
twilit lodge
Really had me thinking we were talking about puzzle and dragons in here
solar oriole
Anyway
rustic vale
We are talking puzzle and dragons wdym
solar oriole
The bow sucks imo
lean timber
blocked
solar oriole
Cope
twilit lodge
Chiron is best bow
lean timber
except me
solar oriole
Least horny hades player
twilit lodge
||talos||
rustic vale
Least horny hades player
Those aren’t real
solar oriole
Door stuck
lean timber
twilit lodge
Like that scene in scary movie
lean timber
hades if it was developed by bethesda:
supergiant is just an offshore coverup name
it's all bethesda
bethesdeez n
twilit lodge
7% bouldy lesgo
solar oriole
Big stick best weapon
dusky cypress
btw (I was on fists) but its not insane that hades summoning a chariot felt like awful RNG right
probably would've been better if I had breeching strike or anything other than the special, but still :I
rustic vale
@lean timber I lost to dad because I was running sd and 3 archers showed up in dad fight
lean timber
why is that an issue you have a bow
just outshoot them
skill issue of the highest caliber
lean timber
100% on you
lean timber
no one insults my math skills and gets away with it
rustic vale
no one insults my math skills and gets away with it
I am getting away with it
solar oriole
Gaming
dusky cypress
during theseus's call, is aphrodite the one that casts a bunch of circles around your position?
twilit lodge
I think hers is circles that chase you
But yeah they’re all circles
The ones that target fixed areas are Demeter and I think Athena?
Pretty much the rest chase you
lean timber
they have the fastest rehit rate
dio sort of targets but it's random for the most part
dem is random but God is it hard to avoid
twilit lodge
Dem sucks because of the vortices
lean timber
so true
lean timber
10s or less
lean timber
time this ratio cuz here it comes
lean timber
(he got a 10:03)
twilit lodge
You path slowly then damn
lean timber
you never take erebus gates anyway for speedruns
twilit lodge
Mans out here for a stroll
lean timber
for the most part
lean timber
sometimes but not always
twilit lodge
I had one this run with at least 50 numbskulls and witches I swear
lean timber
it's really quite a wide variety of enemies. from like 2 to literally 20
twilit lodge
No they spawn constantly throughout
twilit lodge
Tiny rats? I’ve seen those
They also suck
Yes we’re talking about Erebus
The subject you brought up lmao
I had a full flame wheel room this run
Not fun
lean timber
flamewheels suck
twilit lodge
Maybe like 2 butterfly balls
twilit lodge
SGG please patch out Elysium from hit video game Hades™️ now available on multiple platforms
latent moon
butterfly ball sucks
miniboss butterfly ball is gaming tho, just meg and then oneshot it
lean timber
Removed Elysium.
Made all Styx tunnels mandatory to traverse before fighting Hades.
lean timber
miniboss butterfly ball is gaming tho, just meg and then oneshot it
no i hate them all idc how easy it is
i hate them
twilit lodge
Honestly based tradeoff
latent moon
butterfly balls are ez tho
lean timber
balls
twilit lodge
Butterfly dn
lean timber
gottem
latent moon
much easier and faster
lean timber
Middle Management is calling...
latent moon
well that's why it's low level, he gave it to everyone lmao
or traded for titan blood
which is honestly valid
twilit lodge
Nah I have a lot still
Or I will once Dusa gives back
But I haven’t given everyone ambrosia yet
Dad gives back nectar
Do you even play this game
I’m imagining
But nothing is happening
I’ve never needed battie more than twice so it’s not a priority
Honestly
I use it on heroes and maybe tart mini
latent moon
battie's not important if you're just playing casually lmao
speedrunning or high heat, becomes more important
it's just nice
latent moon
my fastest time before i got into speedrunning was between 12-15 minutes or something lmao
latent moon
combination of rooms and actual aspect skill tbh
twilit lodge
Epic hyper rare rd common haste and 7% bouldy carried my last run
That’s like 75% bonus dmg
latent moon
you can def sub10 with mediocre room rng but clear waves fast
latent moon
That’s like 75% bonus dmg
rare rd is 75% already, hyper guarantees it to always be at 75% after dashes
twilit lodge
Consider not detouring for Erebus gates
latent moon
so you more than 75%
latent moon
Consider not detouring for Erebus gates
erebus gates are worth taking if it's a core god you need
high risk high reward obv
twilit lodge
Yeah but he detoured for a gate he couldn’t even go in
latent moon
what was the build
twilit lodge
Also I’ve never seen a boon in gate so far
latent moon
sea storm isn't necessary tbh it's just nice and exists
snow skiff
Good players can sub-6 achilles every roughly 90 minutes apparently
dusky cypress
lambent plume... what's considered "quickly clearing an encounter"? also is it bugged or just like "take more than 5 seconds or we're not giving it"? idk
latent moon
there's a timer below the keepsake when you start an encounter
twilit lodge
There’s a timer displayed by it on your boon summary
Left side of screen
It’s a fairly tight timer but far from impossible
latent moon
it's not a set amount of time, it depends on where you are in the run
twilit lodge
it's not a set amount of time, it depends on where you are in the run
I think it’s based on the room?
latent moon
idk enough about it tbh i just dont take it
twilit lodge
Like the survival rooms in tart, the timer for plume is long enough to still get it
But rooms with fewer enemies will have a shorter timer
Do some of the perks for the benefits package prophecy only spawn with BP2?
Obviously even if not it’ll be quicker to use BP2 since they get two perks that way
brisk trail
Bingus Power 2
lean timber
you can def sub10 with mediocre room rng but clear waves fast
you can sub 10 with bad rng and stinky wave clears tbh
rustic vale
Bingus Power 2
Bing*s
latent moon
Big S
lone mantle
Yo I just joined to ask about the Megaera questline/romance whatever it is I'm just tryna get the companion; is it actually just completely random after you give her the 6 nectars and is there a point where it just won't happen cause' I'm losing hope
vital tapir
Yo I just joined to ask about the Megaera questline/romance whatever it is I'm j...
keep playing game and it’ll happen
rustic vale
Why did this shield mofo turn into 5 souls lmao
Bp moment
Kill the normal coloured one
lone mantle
keep playing game and it’ll happen
Bro how much I'm at 100+ runs and have every achievement other than the companion one
vital tapir
i’m sure the wiki has detail
rustic vale
Bro how much I'm at 100+ runs and have every achievement other than the companio...
Relatively new player
Dialogue in hades is rng
rustic vale
When you hit the condition for nee dialogue it gets added to a pool of dialogue they can say
vital tapir
it probably took me like 50 runs to get it, idk if you just never talk to npcs or what
lone mantle
I've been talking every chance I get
rustic vale
it probably took me like 50 runs to get it, idk if you just never talk to npcs o...
dialogue in hades is rng
twilit lodge
It was the first companion I got
lone mantle
I guess I'm just unfathomably unlucky in this regard
rustic vale
they could talk to npc's everytime and still not have it just on merit of the rng part
it'
it isn't unfathomably lucky
twilit lodge
Imagine fathoming
vital tapir
After a random number of encounters with the Furies, Megaera will approach Zagreus in his room, and tell him that she's only stopping him from escaping because she has to. (This requires her to have first been in his room to collect her belongings.) After this interaction, Megaera can receive Ambrosia the next time she is met in the House of Hades.
rustic vale
but I can confirm complaining about bad rng on the official super giant games discord server will remove 87% of your rng problems
lone mantle
I wasn't tryna complain I was just wondering m8
twilit lodge
but I can confirm complaining about bad rng on the official super giant games di...
Actual factual
He wasn’t having a go at you by saying that, daddy chill
lone mantle
My b
twilit lodge
He’s saying that because we’ve all done exactly that
lone mantle
Little stressed atm
twilit lodge
Complaining always works
Today I learned what happens if you ignore your keepsake god for too long in asphodel because Hermes showed up/other god you wanted to snag
rustic vale
cuz then one of the sgg employees will secretly hack into your game to fix your rng
twilit lodge
You keep that keepsake equipped for ely is what happens
Bc I need my gd splash dash
Wow Theseus almost said sorry
The hell
Theseus and asterius did a green dad shockwave
twilit lodge
Guess that’s standard now
I saw a heat guide on here somewhere but can’t find now rip
Like which ones to pick for each level
rustic vale
Give me a second
twilit lodge
Alr found
rustic vale
twilit lodge
lean timber
You're sending links too fast.
dusky cypress
so... using the shield is easy mode right?
lean timber
quite literally cheating
latent moon
Shield is pretty easy yeah
Easier with charged shot but doable
Cshot got ap1ed last night when I did 40 heat Zeus lmao
Jolted also got uced so that was fun
Proves shield is easy tho
lean timber
i hate shield i hate shield i hate shield i hate shield i hate sh
latent moon
Imagine playing worse beo
lean timber
imagine charging the strongest attack in the game and having 180° of invulnerability as you do it
if hades was a competitive fighting game beowulf would literally be banned
swift inlet
imagine charging the strongest attack in the game and having 180° of invulnerabi...
It's tied w rocket bomb + weaker than Hestia snipe/Arthur final hit
dusky cypress
also just got hades trinket and I want to know what his dialogue is when you fight him with it lol
swift inlet
Cshot is still beyond busted
twilit lodge
Mfw chiron and I don’t get conc nor relentless
Point blank piercing volley Chiron gaming
And no smair or heart rend zzz
Got mirage shot for uc which was based I guess
swift inlet
also just got hades trinket and I want to know what his dialogue is when you fig...
The first time you do it he'll muse about how you're both using your 'signature' emblematic gear, and if you use his full call against him he gets grumpy and snaps at you
dusky cypress
buzzkill
lean timber
It's tied w rocket bomb + weaker than Hestia snipe/Arthur final hit
now add your bugged casts
dusky cypress
anyways approval process and the mirror one (can't remember name) are as awful as I'm imagining, right?
lean timber
yes they're the worst ones on the pact
absolutely horrid
now on their own they're manageable. together? nightmare
twilit lodge
Heightened security:
lean timber
child's play
twilit lodge
For the heat tho
swift inlet
now add your bugged casts
clockets 💪
swift inlet
now on their own they're manageable. together? nightmare
Nah, the things that really make that combo miserable are em4, uc, bp2 and fo2
swift inlet
Not getting an ideal build is gonna happen basically every time with ap2 and ri, but when you have to sell what few good boons you might get then you're in an even worse spot
no dds or stubborn is fine until you have to deal with armored speeder cloner wringers
dusky cypress
I know the dash attack makes it faster (and I'm def trying to use it as frequently as I can) but while I might've wanted swift strike for my hestia build w/ the faster RoF+max ammo I didn't need it like I do now
swift inlet
I don't think swift strike does much for hestia
dusky cypress
no but it was funny
lean timber
lol
swift inlet
you just want the typical rd
lean timber
it sucks
dusky cypress
yeah I'm sure/already thought so
still will probably use standard occasionally tho
swift inlet
in fact hestia is the most restrictive one in what's really useful because it's basically just rd
dusky cypress
I mean hell it still takes a solid second for enemies to spawn
lean timber
hey guys, did you know that if you get epic swift strike w/ ra
twilit lodge
Does literally any aspect take swift strike
swift inlet
if you get faster special, extra dashes, etc your rotation gets kinda wacky
Because your rhythm is thrown off
lean timber
Does literally any aspect take swift strike
fists if any, but the answer is no
lean timber
if you get faster special, extra dashes, etc your rotation gets kinda wacky
i would simply adapt
personally
❤️
lean timber
🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
twilit lodge
I tried bp2 and it killed my streak
lean timber
i was just playing bro
twilit lodge
BP2 is not gaming
swift inlet
bp2 on its own isn't that bad
swift inlet
Only those two?
swift inlet
Fo2 is hell with bp2
twilit lodge
Didn’t go well
swift inlet
There's your issue
lean timber
play more hera
i've been on a break cuz work is picking up unfortunately
swift inlet
Unfortunate
lean timber
losing muscle memory currently
twilit lodge
This time for 16 I did the “standard” 16 ig
swift inlet
What is the standard
lean timber
i have never done a 16 run
swift inlet
I beat my pb by .38 seconds the other day lmao
swift inlet
i have never done a 16 run
Based, do 1st clear then 64 heat unrouted
twilit lodge
Rng screwed me on Chiron hammers but my build mostly came together smoothly and I never had to purge anything crucial
And I got 4 epic chaos
Plus epic swift flourish
Which is always gaming on Chiron
lean timber
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668865849079103539/884878890739335178/u...
i personally don't agree with this chart because i think fo2 should be one of the first pacts you master, but for someone completely new to heat/on a lower skill level, it's okay i suppose
swift inlet
Follow that but if you really don't want uc you can take different stuff
Nah
Learn bp2 enemies first
Then sob as you get c2 cloner speeder witches
twilit lodge
MM barge was refreshing
lean timber
Then sob as you get c2 cloner speeder witches
seeker speeders:
twilit lodge
MM butterfly ball was… it teleported one time right before I killed it
swift inlet
The one downside of movespeed being multiplicative is fo2 speeders
twilit lodge
lean timber
mmmm
twilit lodge
The adds took longer honestly
lean timber
fo2 speeders
lean timber
why would you run bp2 chiron
swift inlet
What was the chiron build
twilit lodge
I don’t remember cuz I lost
lean timber
yes
twilit lodge
Aphro atk Artie special tho
lean timber
good build 👍
twilit lodge
Sneak is horrid on Chiron because of that
swift inlet
You don't know how bad it gets
latent moon
Sneak is horrid on Chiron because of that
use antos lmao
lean timber
fo2 sneak on rama
twilit lodge
Don’t have yet 
swift inlet
Rama is goated but it has to be the single worst aspect for sneak
lean timber
easily
twilit lodge
Finally got Achilles favor done tho
lean timber
honestly
hope you manage to get a "powerful" special before sneak or you're losing 30s
lol
or just, yk, meg it. for funsies
does anyone wanna print a nike t-shirt that says "just meg it" for me i will purchase it
swift inlet
Yeah but even then it's a timeloss without perfect timing
Well
Very good timing
Bc you're doing fo2 sneak
You need to have a cast in his ass and hope he doesn't teleport away anyway
lean timber
if it was a little slower, you could start a dash strike as soon as he disappears and get a powershot as soon as he reappears
but he's already gone by then
proud stag
Question; what is peoples deal with zeus shield? I always seem to be in the minority when I say I enjoy using the zeus shield over the other variants.
lean timber
zeus shield is good, people just don't know how to use it
(i'm people for the record)
latent moon
Question; what is peoples deal with zeus shield? I always seem to be in the mino...
i mean if anything zeus is the 2nd most interesting aspect for shield lmao
beo is a literal nuke, zeus has funky special, chaos is just more specials, and zag is more atk damage
zeus shield also has the modded 63 heat clear by angel so it's really good lmao
lean timber
zag shield isn't special too?
lean timber
huh. interestink
dusky cypress
kind of sad when I learned zag doesn't apply to bull rush but you can still bash people against the wall into oblivion with whatever damage modifiers you can find (that also work much better since zag adds base damage instead of yet another modifier) so who cares lol
last shield run I also learned that quick rush (idk name) is also rly good on its own (only picked it previously because I found minotaur rush and thought it was the best thing since sliced bread)
still sort of do tbh but that's probably more to do with "LMAO shield builds" than minotaur being the best thing ever
latent moon
zag damage applies to cshot tho i think
latent moon
ngl no clue
dusky cypress
[screw you I still feel like what the hidden aspects/names are should be treated as minor spoilers]||greater consecrations radius is hilarious, wtf is arthur, seriously what is this aspect https://imgur.com/a/HHtobgr||
latent moon
arthur is meant to tank damage lol
dusky cypress
well duh I mean what else am I gonna do with a build that starts out by saying "lol here's +50 health"
twilit lodge
No embed? 
latent moon
spoiler moment
dusky cypress
twilit lodge
That graphic is pretty
dusky cypress
suppose it does w/e
yeah I could both embed it + spoiler tag it if this channel had embeds enabled idk what this is supposed to be referred to tbh
swift inlet
[screw you I still feel like what the hidden aspects/names are should be treated...
Spoilers only matter in the new player channel 🗿
twilit lodge
Become SGG discord kitten and get image privs
dusky cypress
lol
swift inlet
Hot take arthur should just reduce all damage by 50%
latent moon
Become SGG discord kitten and get image privs
UwU sgg can i have image perms OwO
swift inlet
Hallowed ground should just reduce enemy speed by 50%
ez
arthur still not good for speedruns or high heat but it'd help a lot
dusky cypress
yeah but doing like 30 completed runs or however many it takes to reveal all six aspects... I imagine less than 50% of people who've ever played this have done more than like 5 completed runs tbh
twilit lodge
Hallowed ground should hit everything inside with your cast
Unlock all hidden speedrun category
dusky cypress
yeah its slow but I'd still probs try high-heat arthur for the hell of it lol
latent moon
amb cleared 50 with it
swift inlet
Isn't that the record
That's a cracked ass player using a nem build on arthur to make up for it being bad
latent moon
Isn't that the record
no clue
dusky cypress
man that's so weird that I facetanked asterius w/ the extra health + special and it wasn't even because I'm invuln to anything I can predict where it'll be w/in a 90° margin of error
I had the double hit dash-attack daedalus hammer which helped that much more, but still
maimed chaos - does dash-attacking count as an attack?
dusky cypress
thesius is so funny and whoever voiced him clearly had fun with it I love it
twilit lodge
The damage on attack/special/cast curses are so rude sometimes
dusky cypress
FUUUUuuuuuuckkkkk the king vermin took my final death defiance -_-
I'm p sure I should still be fine with this build/only 250 health but still uggggggggghhhhh
swift inlet
Play modded to remove tiny vermin
swift inlet
Funny set
dusky cypress
man the fact that the circle also slows down projectiles is so trippy
dusky cypress
fair enough
still weird tho + wording doesn't imply it iirc?
mannnn the discussion with hades when you bring him a hidden form feel weird
swift inlet
Wrong
swift inlet
enemy speed isn't affected inside the circle
Numbskulls are projectiles 🧠
I think it works for wringers too
swift inlet
Oh yeah it works on them too
dusky cypress
AHHHHH (god that was nerve-wracking ugghhh)
did the fight with no DDs and just the 351 health because tiny vermin wrecked me and I should've waited for someone to tell me the damaged-for-attacking chaos restriction also replies to dash attacks -_-
latent moon
cshot is actually gonna get me killed on 45 heat zeus
lean timber
Numbskulls are projectiles 🧠
i forgot it works on them but tbh it's deserved
lean timber
cshot is actually gonna get me killed on 45 heat zeus <:bouldy:52332911693463553...
cshot just turns you into bow lol. just don't place yourself near anything and fire from a distance
just like you would for rama
swift inlet
Speaking of cshot w other hammers
sudden cshot actually cost me time on my beo pb lmao
I missed like 2 whole volleys
Bevause it went too far and fo2 dad zoomed away
lean timber
but my iframes
bow users getting approximately no i-frames in every run:
twilit lodge
Cursed pact
high island
yeah but doing like 30 completed runs or however many it takes to reveal all six...
9.4% of Steam players have unlocked all weapon aspects.
twilit lodge
Blade dash oof
dusky cypress
yeah I figured I was well past the typical steam player in terms of skill/what they're willing to put up with
hell even if you explicitly told everyone "unlock the shield + use that until you get your first clear" idk if half the people who bought this game (with any intent to beat it/get their moneys worth... its possible they simply got bored instead of felt its too hard, but... that still seems weird) would actually be able to/bother
high island
I don't think Aegis is the best weapon for a first clear tbh from all the players I've coached.
swift inlet
highroll into clockets eris then run for dear life
latent moon
3 minutes to kill dad at 45 heat, i sure do hope i do not get exalted archers
swift inlet
3 minutes to kill dad at 45 heat, i sure do hope i do not get exalted archers
em4?
oh wait
high island
That would rule out Strongbows lol.
high island
Range and the rocks on the stage are your friends when it comes to Superelite Strongbows in the fight.
Don't hope for an easy fight, hope for the strength to endure a difficult one. 
dusky cypress
oh hey I finally recognize em I guess yeah its gonna get time to get used to the abbreviations
W I D E B O I I
I feel like this run has already devolved into memes and stupidity despite being my first arrow-aspect run
high island
I think that's the first time I've heard arrow-aspect in all my time in the Hades community.
twilit lodge
I don’t think I’ve remember ever getting triple shot although I suppose I must have since the prophecy
twilit lodge
Probably early pre-clear runs
latent moon
em4?
got the invulnerability crystals with a ton of numbskulls
ez spawns
each time i knocked him down to a phase during phase 1, he kept walking around like nothing happened
which was weird
when i smacked him a bunch of times afterwards it fixed it
high island
Boss AI can be a little odd when phasing them during an attack or just as they're preparing for an attack.
latent moon
Fun stuff
twilit lodge
My favorite is charming him right as he starts to laser
Just stands there like John travolta
dusky cypress
ngl I was convinced underworld customs would've been "no money", that's definitely better than I thought lol
high island
Yeah, UC is pretty chill.
Some builds are hurt a lot by it actually, but for most it's no big deal.
latent moon
It's only a pain if you forget to take fodder or you have no rerolls and your choices are 3 good boons to purge lol
high island
That's still fine for most builds.
dusky cypress
yeah the "I like all my boons/it missed my fodder" is the thing I think I'm fearing the most
still actually getting money I feel makes it kind of pointless because... idk how much just 4 boons can hurt
high island
I don't think picking up fodder just for UC is a good idea most of the time.
high island
still actually getting money I feel makes it kind of pointless because... idk ho...
It hurts a lot more when you also have CF2.
short glen
What happens if you have uc and no boons?
dusky cypress
money?
yeah convenience fee I still don't remember names thus abbreviations
doesn't it just let you through?
high island
But also for a lot of Cast builds especially... UC can easily mean you're no longer one-shotting enemies or need more Casts now, and that will cost a lot of time.
high island
doesn't it just let you through?
Yep.
short glen
takes max ap and UC and nothing else. Gaming.
Was it ap or cf I cannot remember which one restricts boon choices at 1:30 am
dusky cypress
ap? I mean convenience fees is just money you pay for every use of coins
short glen
I couldn't remember what the letters stood for
twilit lodge
Imagine not knowing all the pact abbreviations by heart smdh fake gamers
Time to do zag spear runs to get the rest of these hammers I guess
dusky cypress
day 3 of treating bow like a melee weapon because I get daedalus hammer that makes it appropriate lol
raw herald
Bow is a melee weapon
twilit lodge
Shield is a melee bow
short glen
Haha profanity
twilit lodge
No swearing on my profile pls
high island
Bow *is* a melee weapon
All melee weapons are just short-range bow.
dusky cypress
anyway incredibly sad was not ready for the heartbreak that ensued
everyone else here is either speedrunning or already attempting 30-50 heat and won't give you sympathy/any attention for that comment tho
raw herald
Why are you sad
drifting dirge
bro needs his mom
i havent finished the whole game yet lol i’ll leave before i spoil it for myself
raw herald
high island
It's not a lack of sympathy or attention, I just don't wanna risk spoiling anything lol.
dusky cypress
I mean you could just literally say "yeah its sad I agree"
you can sympathize without spoiling anything
high island
I could have perhaps, but that's not for you to decide. Tbh I think your comment was plain rude and presumptuous.
dusky cypress
high island
Embed is working fine on my end.
dusky cypress
first one wasn't showing for some reason? idk
ooga booga do I do it for the culture or do I take the prophecy
nvm it just seems too fun to take the even-more-melee option
twilit lodge
None of those are very significant hammers so it’s up to you
high island
Perfect is best, Point-Blank second best out of those options. But I would recommend just taking Chain Shot for the prophecy.
Perfect and Point-Blank make a pretty big difference.
latent moon
Yo is that tempest strike
latent moon
Heck yeah buddy