#h1-discussion

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vital tapir
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i just did 15*20

safe tinsel
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Titan blood is only 64 heat (including zero) × 6 weapons = 384 titan blood

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384 titan blood

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Plus any u trade

lean timber
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n

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no

acoustic bolt
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you stop getting blood after 20

lean timber
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you stop getting bounties at 20 heat bouldy

safe tinsel
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Nani?

lean timber
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yah

safe tinsel
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Damn

lean timber
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you have to trade or buy the rest

safe tinsel
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That's sad

lean timber
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it's still doable

acoustic bolt
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you'll barely notice it

vital tapir
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you get 2 per run

lean timber
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on average

safe tinsel
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Is it only titan blood that stops?

acoustic bolt
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all bounties stop

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you just get darkness after that

lean timber
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it's actually 2.58 titan bloods per run on average

safe tinsel
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NAURRRRR

lean timber
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including fishing + styx purchases

vital tapir
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imagine buying in styx

lean timber
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hey man zero heat is fun for that reason + many others

latent moon
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if you trade away ambrosia for titan blood, you can get 3 TB per run, 2 diamonds = 1 ambrosia = 1 TB so every other run is 4 TB
if you just dont care about maxing bonds or contractor upgrades, it won't take too long to max all aspects
(5+15+16+15)*6 = 306 titan blood needed
102 runs without trading diamonds
87.4 runs so 88 if you trade diamonds

lean timber
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grind away and suddenly your aspects are maxed

vital tapir
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sure but then you don’t get bounties

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which is the main point

latent moon
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i did the math on that a few days ago lmao

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Dan was there

lean timber
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but it's fun to destroy everything

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lol

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dan

dusky cypress
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lol I almost had to use a death defiance on the third floor because I took "infernobombs from defeated enemies for 4 encounters" for +64 max health

lean timber
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yeah caustic is one of the harder curses

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imo

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especially for 4 encounters

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that's ruff

dusky cypress
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screw it might as well use my steam name

safe tinsel
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Menly men

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Wow ok

latent moon
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Menlymen moment

lean timber
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menly men

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he is chatting with sisyphus

safe tinsel
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Heart of stone?

dusky cypress
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I mean... first floor caustic should be fine, yeah?

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I think I've suffered more overall w/ minus health than caustic tbh but that's also because it was before I started using the mirror and had the +50 base health from that or had any keepsakes

lean timber
dusky cypress
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(first one I had/used for a decent bit was the armor)

lean timber
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consider: numbskulls

dusky cypress
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yeah the skulls are a much more common enemy

lean timber
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each one becoming a bomb

dusky cypress
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or just stuff that kind of melts in general

lean timber
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yeah

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aspho is okay for caustic but tart and elysium are kind of hard to deal with at times

dusky cypress
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I mean... if I did this in the future I'd probably be overly cautious and never take more than like 40 damage from it ever again

lean timber
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live and learn

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it's easier with stubborn defiance

lean timber
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but that's not something you should use yet

dusky cypress
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while we're at it

lean timber
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lmao

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not quite

vital tapir
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yes very standard

lean timber
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ruthless reflex is not good, you want greater reflex for so many reasons

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mobility, more i-frames, speed, etc

vital tapir
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third and fourth from bottom should usually be green

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and deep pockets is much better

lean timber
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privileged status is hard to take advantage of in most builds, family favorite is more consistent

twilit lodge
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Dash icky

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Two dashes double icky

vital tapir
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stygian soul is better than infernal for any aspect that's not building around cast

lean timber
vital tapir
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two dashes means you can not dash twice as often 👍

lean timber
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the 3rd one from last sucks, it's not worth it. you want dark foresight. it makes your rooms much better and your runs much more powerful

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higher chance for boons, poms, hammers, all good stuff

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of course, if you need things like keys, gemstones, etc, then feel free to keep it that way. but if you want good runs, foresight is the way to go

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only 3 things "wrong" really, but honestly you're fine with anything at this stage. once you push heat/speed, you might want to change them

dusky cypress
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idk what max starting money amount is but getting +$50-+$120 3 times throughout the run seems p nice

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only thing it really seems to help for is if I really want to buy a diamond/titan blood for some reason

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maybe the extra damage from boons would help me get there that much faster? only thing that seems to make an insane difference is hammers tho

acoustic bolt
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having a lot of money in tart gives you a needed boost for tight deadline and something to sell for underworld customs

dusky cypress
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unless I get something nifty like poseidons "crash someone against a wall and deal like 120 extra damage"

dusky cypress
acoustic bolt
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nothing worse than only have two boons you want to keep and having to sell it at the end of tart except maybe dying to time against the furies

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yes i'm aware you haven't done it, i'm explaining the logic behind those recommendations so you have some context. mattyboi did indicate that at your level it's fine either way already

vital tapir
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the cash in tart also lets you control your run much better if there's a new god you want in the midshop

high island
vital tapir
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i'd suggest dark presence over fiery most of the time

latent moon
acoustic bolt
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like one shotting a numbskull is more important than getting 50% bonus damage for a second

latent moon
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fists uses fiery because the uppercut oneshots stuff in tart i believe

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iirc only spear uses backstab?

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achilles to be specific

acoustic bolt
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that sounds right and honestly i personally don't use it then either

solar oriole
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You can you use fiery with the bow I think

vital tapir
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i just always use shadow

acoustic bolt
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you do you man but the question was what is the standard

solar oriole
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Same

latent moon
solar oriole
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Ye

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On a side note

latent moon
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most weapons have a big hit that is good to lead with

solar oriole
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I hate playing the bow

acoustic bolt
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fwiw casts can't backstab at all so any build that's focused on that definitely wants fiery

twilit lodge
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Parting shot says hi

acoustic bolt
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lol speedy numbskulls on rama

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kill me now

latent moon
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the only one where you might get it is hera

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because of passion flare core

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and maybe a natural athena, but you dont force her

dusky cypress
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sounds like it was a mistake to ask because I was already killing stuff w/o enough trouble to actually require me to ask :I oh well

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interesting convo tho

acoustic bolt
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why would gathering information be a mistake

dusky cypress
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because I feel like I got more than I bargained for

solar oriole
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Wut

dusky cypress
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or realizing after reading the first 5 messages that I didn't want the answer (not yet at least)

twilit lodge
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Well you asked an extremely open ended question

latent moon
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asks question
doesn't want answer

vital tapir
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im looking at the high heat leaderboard and of the top 9 aspect wrs (57 heat and up) only 1 uses fiery presence

dusky cypress
dusky cypress
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that's v different

acoustic bolt
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but like

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why

latent moon
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that's still counterintuitive

twilit lodge
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Imagine

latent moon
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wait was DC active for any of them

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because fiery doesn't work with DC

vital tapir
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you can go further down the list if you want, i doubt you'll see much of anything else

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oh does it not

acoustic bolt
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lol

latent moon
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yeah it doesnt

acoustic bolt
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oh man

vital tapir
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i figured it would work after getting DC off

latent moon
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because hestia not using fiery doesn't make a lot of sense to me

twilit lodge
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What dc

latent moon
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the others can work around dc pretty fine

acoustic bolt
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it's the pact that makes enemies immune to the first hit

latent moon
twilit lodge
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Ohh

high island
latent moon
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also that too

vital tapir
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yes i'm aware

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most of the same principles apply

high island
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You're dealing with very different problems.

latent moon
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running RI means the last 3/6 mirror stuff don't matter lmao

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which high heat does use a lot of

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esp at 57

acoustic bolt
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so if we go down the leaderboard to before DC what does it look like then

latent moon
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seems interesting

vital tapir
latent moon
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very cool

vital tapir
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hestia is the one of those nine with fiery but it also has no dc

twilit lodge
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Gaming

high island
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Fiery Presence just simply doesn't do anything at all when you use DC.

latent moon
high island
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Because the first hit always does 0 damage.

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Hence Shadow is the default for any runs that use DC.

vital tapir
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yea i assumed it would just work after DC

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seems like a decent oversight

high island
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Not an oversight, they're aware of it.

twilit lodge
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Hesty dc sounds like suffering incarnate

high island
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It's fine tbh.

twilit lodge
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Although I guess nothing stopping you from popping the dc with normal attacks

latent moon
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amb did hesty dc with lightning strike iirc lmao

twilit lodge
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Not the manuals

vital tapir
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dash boons will help a lot

acoustic bolt
high island
vital tapir
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no i did mean on the dev's part

latent moon
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sounds terrible but not much you can do about it if you're running dc2 lmao

vital tapir
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i'll admit i was wrong, i only ever watch high heat runs so i only see shadow presence and assumed it was always preferred

latent moon
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dc2 moment

vital tapir
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yep

high island
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It's fine. It's rail. You still get bonus damage when reloading manually.

latent moon
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yeah fair

dusky cypress
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I'm incredibly disappointed in myself rn, I had to use a deaths defiance against a soul catcher miniboss and almost had to use two :I

acoustic bolt
vital tapir
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np

high island
dusky cypress
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huh, didn't think of that. Billowing strength (and other post-call effects) work on partial calls too, don't they?

latent moon
latent moon
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yes

dusky cypress
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"summon"

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cast?

latent moon
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different thing

acoustic bolt
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companion

latent moon
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ye

dusky cypress
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OH

acoustic bolt
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2500 damage clears the armor up real quick

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there are kids here

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relax

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THINK OF THE CHILDREN

high island
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Um, the mods don't like when we evade the swear filter like that, either. dusa

latent moon
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lmfao

acoustic bolt
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it's a little ironic how puritanical the swear filter is considering the game we're playing

jade sinew
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So you can’t swear in a channel that very much should not be for kids because of kids setgrinding

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Oh well

high island
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I think the devs decide who the channel and server should be for. dusa

acoustic bolt
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i mean the devs can decide whatever they want that doesn't mean it makes sense. i'm just pointing out how incongruent it is within context.

high island
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If that's what you want to believe.

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It's a relatively simple rule to humor, in any case.

jade sinew
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Also true

acoustic bolt
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indeed

vital tapir
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there are other games within the server ig even if they see no activity

lean timber
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sad case 💔

acoustic bolt
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i'm sorry, what does "ig" mean?

lean timber
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i guess

vital tapir
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i guess

acoustic bolt
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ah thank you

jade sinew
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I guess but it’s also not like rules can’t be enforced on a channel to channel basis

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Either way it’s doubtful to be changed so no point complaining too much

lean timber
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if it's dyno it's not super easy i don't think

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idr what dyno can and can't do

acoustic bolt
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Well I wasn't planning a protest or something :p

lean timber
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(the bot that controls it)

acoustic bolt
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although i guess it could be fun to visit supergiant

jade sinew
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Well yeah if you’re using a bot I guess, sounds like they just need a bunch more moderators dailyGriller

acoustic bolt
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anybody wanna protest dynobot outside supergiant games? i hear @latent moon is bringing punch and pie

latent moon
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i'm bringing bananas

acoustic bolt
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i just thought that was

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low hanging fruit :3

latent moon
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i dont think bananas are low hanging fruit lmao

acoustic bolt
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rofl

lean timber
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erm bananas are actually herbs! they grow on bushes! 🤓

latent moon
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Cultivated banana plants vary in height depending on the variety and growing conditions. Most are around 5 m (16 ft) tall, with a range from 'Dwarf Cavendish' plants at around 3 m (10 ft) to 'Gros Michel' at 7 m (23 ft) or more. Leaves are spirally arranged and may grow 2.7 metres (8.9 ft) long and 60 cm (2.0 ft) wide.

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from wikipedia

high island
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Stay on topic. dusa

latent moon
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oh yeah bananas are berries lmao

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my favorite aspect in the game is aspect of guan yu because it looks like a banana hahaha i sure do love guan yu

lean timber
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i think we'll be ok making a quick joke. thanks tho

acoustic bolt
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my sister in hades who hurt you

high island
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The conversation had been off-topic for quite awhile now.

acoustic bolt
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if you look closely i even mentioned supergiant games

latent moon
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lmfao

lean timber
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i recall yes

jade sinew
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Can you even call discussion about a rule within the server “off-topic” shielderThink where do you even discuss such a thing

lean timber
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shhh don't make a bad point

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quit while we're ahead

high island
jade sinew
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Oh oops I just started an attempt with the shield

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I guess I need the titan blood anyway

dusky cypress
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(yes this feels like story spoilers, idk if this happens the first time you've beaten him like 10x or what - also happened when I was basically certain I was gonna lose the fight)

lean timber
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he let you go yes yes

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it's scripted

dusky cypress
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ok tagging images as spoilers only works if you can embed them?

jade sinew
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It was spoiler marked for me

dusky cypress
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yeah but you have to actually open imgur to see it lol

lean timber
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this chat doesn't need to mark spoilers

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you can say whatever you want

dusky cypress
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also meekly attempted to attack him anyways lol

lean timber
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just put the link and spoiler tag the link like you did. it works just as well if you need to

dusky cypress
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also the "its scripted" yeah what isn't

latent moon
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the gameplay

lean timber
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almost every other thing in the game besides story elements

latent moon
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unless you routed it lmao

lean timber
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lmao

latent moon
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i bet you're gonna be complaining real soon about not getting the quote for the hidden aspect lmao

lean timber
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HAHAHAHAAAAA

dusky cypress
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Huh

lean timber
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😭 🗿

dusky cypress
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never occurred until just now that I hadn't actually seen a credits roll anywhere yet

lean timber
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you're still not done with the game

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more to do

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i won't spoil it

dusky cypress
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I mean... I imagine I'm only like a quarter-of-the-way through the game

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I imagined everything as "post-first-hades-kill" as the postgame

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still kind of do

jade sinew
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Artemis Aid seems like it would be so much stronger if I could actually charge my god gauge setgrinding

acoustic bolt
jade sinew
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I guess? But like even on bosses I don’t really get to use it

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Guess I need some more boons for it

acoustic bolt
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things that hit a lot are a lot better at charging god gauge

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fists, slicing shot, hangover ticks are the best

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but artemis' aid is also terrible in general and basically just filler if you didn't find anything better. it's like -fine- if you put a couple poms into it and you can fill it up

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or need it for requirements

high island
acoustic bolt
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oh meme beams are also good at charging god gauge

latent moon
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Lightning strikes from attacks work well, especially on rail

high island
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Artemis' Aid is great.

dusky cypress
# high island That first part is the tutorial.

I mean I also eschewed the mirror entirely, barely knew about aspects + refused to use the shield for my first run (well, if I had oneshot both asterius + theseus and hades it would've been my first completed escape)

acoustic bolt
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oh do i get to be @rustic vale now? sweet

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please school me on artemis' aid @high island 🙂

jade sinew
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Shackle fishPain

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I read what it does a few minutes ago and like why would you ever want that

high island
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I mean like you said, you just need to put a couple poms on it. Excellent pom scaling.

dusky cypress
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I do think its basically the easiest weapon but I'm p sure my first run that got to hades was also using minotaur rush (which ofc only gets interrupted if something ambushes you) and all things considered is extremely easy to get consistent with for how much dang damage it does

jade sinew
acoustic bolt
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oh so the wrong part was suggesting it was only -fine- once you did the work?

high island
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Shattered Shackle is more bonus % damage on your Attack than any epic boon even. That's one reason to use it.

acoustic bolt
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sometimes i use it on guan yu to make tart quicker. of course i can't clear anything with guan yu above like 25 so -shrug-

jade sinew
high island
acoustic bolt
latent moon
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It doesn't stop working if you get any boon, it stops working if you get a boon on your atk special or cast. It'll work for your atk if you get a special boon but your special loses the shackle modifier

jade sinew
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Ahhhhh

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Yeah still gonna use lucky tooth dailyGriller

acoustic bolt
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if you're gonna use lucky tooth you might as well use acorn. it does more.

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unless you're dying a lot in normal rooms

high island
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Don't sweat it if you don't see a use case for Shattered Shackle yet. It's situationally very good.

jade sinew
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I’m not sure I have a acorn shielderThink I’ve been playing literally only 2 days

acoustic bolt
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acorn and on occasion hourglass are basically the only keepsakes that in any way compare to the god keepsakes

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but that doesn't mean don't use others

high island
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Swap to the Lucky Tooth in later regions when you're actually low on DDs. First two biomes you typically want something that helps you get a strong build.

latent moon
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Tooth is good for em2 lernie at high heat because lernie tax

acoustic bolt
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i can't really talk. i routinely avoid using god keepsakes because i don't want to decide on what i'm playing

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but the god keepsakes are really what you want in tart and aspho at least if you want to secure a strong build

latent moon
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Wait you still do that?

acoustic bolt
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not nearly as often as i used to

latent moon
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I thought you stopped once you got to higher heats because your builds were actually good lmao

high island
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Rather than a defensive keepsake like Lucky Tooth.

acoustic bolt
jade sinew
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Oh my bad lmao

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Forgot about the rule already

high island
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@jade sinew banne dusa

jade sinew
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Noooo tensecry

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I keep getting ahem deficated on by Alecto and Tisiphone

acoustic bolt
latent moon
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Lmao fair

high island
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Ironically, Coin Purse loses a lot of value if you're using CF.

acoustic bolt
latent moon
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Quick reset until you see the gods you want in tart lol

acoustic bolt
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that just goes against the spirit of whatever i'm doing

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i donno i make the rules up as i go along

jade sinew
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I still don’t see how they can be easier than Megaera

acoustic bolt
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oh no

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just easier than the rest

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they are harder than meg for sure

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the hydra rarely hard stops my runs but the furies do all the time

high island
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Most players say Alecto is the hardest and Tis is the easiest of the Furies.

acoustic bolt
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it's either the furies, theseus, or dad like 99%

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yeah tis probably jus tmesses me up because i'm sloppy

jade sinew
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I’ve died to the hydra only once so far

high island
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But tbh Alecto's attacks are for the most part just easier versions of Meg's.

dusky cypress
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yeah on the "standard mirror build" question I asked earlier more dashes is def better but I think I mostly say that because it negates the necessity of taking a boon (usually the 0.5 second sprint after dashing) to deal with asteriuses charge

high island
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You can handle his bull charge just fine with a single dash, in fact.

dusky cypress
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absolutely

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still more strict than sprinting or multiple dashes tho

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(yes I know, "why is he such a moron for not just leading him into a wall/pillar")

high island
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More dashes just means more i-frames, and it's also better for DPS because mobility and Dash-Strikes.

dusky cypress
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still feels weird/unintuitive being able to dash through a number of walls tho

high island
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You're better off staying between two obstacles and then dashing through Asterius when he comes to you (he'll crash into either obstacle trying to turn around), or get close to an obstacle then dash away at the last moment... rather than dashing through an obstacle because he'll often just go around it and then he's still right behind you.

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If you mess up the other methods, at least he's not right behind you because he has to turn around.

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Obstacle includes pillars, walls, and King Theseus.

short glen
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If he hits theseus does Theseus get hurt?

brisk trail
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yes

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or atleast, I recall that being the case

short glen
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Based Arthur enjoyer

brisk trail
short glen
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Indeed!

brisk trail
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funnest weapon

lean timber
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arther

round summit
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Tried Arthur sword once and... I just.. idk

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don't see the appeal, much like with the spear, but again, haven't gotten into depth with those weapons

brisk trail
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the appeal is big sword, big damage, kill boss in 2 seconds

terse geyser
dusky cypress
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man, I mean I still didn't take a death defiance in asphodel but I really didn't think through tightened security applying to lava ugghh

lean timber
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yeah it sure does

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it's pretty harsh

dusky cypress
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I mean after the room where I realized it and took like 45 damage just from lava I don't think I took more than one more hit or smthn... aside from saw blades and falling axeheads being 100 damage each I think that's p easy to use on high-heat runs (although I say that not knowing how crazy 20-40 heat runs are yet... idk)

mint coral
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Funny stuff, it affect dad pots too

rustic vale
rustic vale
rustic vale
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Once you get a boon… in that slot

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like once you pick up an attack core the bonus goes away for attack

dusky cypress
rustic vale
terse geyser
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let them figure out what works

rustic vale
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Watit a minute I’m looking at 4 hours ago

rustic vale
terse geyser
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your point?

rustic vale
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relative to who?

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shadegrief cuz that means I’m a relatively new player as well

terse geyser
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but yeah, in that case let me change "figure out" to "decide"

dusky cypress
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yeah I was wondering but I also know discord has a tendency to go haywire if you click the message some1 was responding to

terse geyser
rustic vale
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I’m confused about your second part of that message

dusky cypress
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minotaur rush is like .7 seconds iirc + like 300 base damage (well 50 base +500%)

rustic vale
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Not the minotaur rush part

rustic vale
dusky cypress
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yes I said "well 50 base+500%"

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I know its something weird tho or maybe I had a modifier somewhere? because I went from thinking "its 500" in the first run I got it to the next run it only did like 240 🤷

rustic vale
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I would only take it if I had sudden rush and 2nd hammer wasn’t cshot tbh

rustic vale
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So 50+500% = 300 any number lower was got without minotaur rush any number higher meant you either crit or had other bonuses on attack

terse geyser
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neato

dusky cypress
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attack bonuses apply to bull rush?

rustic vale
terse geyser
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it's still your attack bouldy

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so yes

dusky cypress
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probs zag then, huh

rustic vale
dusky cypress
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fiery presence keep full damage versus armor or no?

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oh

rustic vale
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Well

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“Full damage”?

dusky cypress
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its damage bonus + while you're whittling away armor

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it still has full health

rustic vale
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It’s increasing the damage you do against people who haven’t been hit yet

dusky cypress
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so it'd do the +75% all through armor

rustic vale
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No

dusky cypress
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fair enough

rustic vale
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Just first hit

dusky cypress
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YES

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I can read, its that I took a shortcut to remembering it -_-

terse geyser
rustic vale
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I I had to rate minotaur rush compared to other hammers I would put minotaur rush at:
Cshot > ferocious guard > sudden rush > minotaur rush

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and honestly if I didn’t have either cshot or sudden rush just probably wouldn’t even pick it up unless I don’t care about the other hammers

rustic vale
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Nyaanyaa mewmew gonna tell me I’m wrong for this one

terse geyser
#

pings

rustic vale
#

Supersoaker

#

that is the only time

#

no other times exist

terse geyser
#

note that aphrodite exists

think: what if I could have pstatus for free, with very similar-to-arti average attack damage

rustic vale
#

When you’re using shackle

terse geyser
#

beo

#

lmao

#

carry on

rustic vale
#

Rupture best pstatus

#

rupture and jolted

#

best jolt is thunder flourish dash or zeus aid jolt

#

Since those also open double strike and upwards from their splitting bolt

snow skiff
#

Expose best pstatus

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

I would not consider myself a new player anymore

#

Not really

#

Although shackle over here missing my point entirely cause I specifically didn't know what I wanted to do 😂

rustic vale
brisk trail
#

3rd hit

acoustic bolt
brisk trail
#

how

#

oh right Artemis

#

I've seen over 8k but only ever manged over 4k myself

random pilot
#

how do i get the final ending?

#

i beat the game alot what do i have to check?

acoustic bolt
#

you need to max out your favor with all the gods

#

all the standard olympians, not hermes or chaos

#

several of them have locks that require some specific dialogue to appear

random pilot
#

i think i still have aphro and zoos

#

hmmm idk how to trigger them tho

round veldt
#

Is the final ending different from the ending of bringing persephone back?

latent moon
#

Yes

acoustic bolt
#

just keep doing runs it'll happen

random pilot
#

i chose to be friends

#

am more of dusa advocate

acoustic bolt
#

olympians aren't exactly monogomous

#

besides, i don't know if any of the relationships are exactly dating

random pilot
#

idk it didnt feel right

acoustic bolt
#

well there are no wrong choices. hades isn't going to turn -everyone- into polyamorous pansexuals i guess

rustic vale
#

200 base damage

brisk trail
#

I do my runs with the shattered shackle

rustic vale
brisk trail
#

fr

#

the only boons I would ever use would be Hermes boons because he's just built different

#

Hermes really is an awesome person

#

god actually

#

he knows everything but keeps it all a secret

acoustic bolt
#

i specifically recall being called a psycho for not using god keepsakes

rustic vale
#

True

#

Not using god keepsakes is psychotic

acoustic bolt
#

they don't do anything if you don't use boons

#

so you're psychotic too my dude

#

and manwell over here

rustic vale
#

Boonless runs are based and one of the few excuses for not running god keepsakes

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

omfg i just lost the coolest zagbow run to multiple rooms with fast witches

#

twinshot arty attack purple ravenous will heroic hunter's mark 😦

#

spoilers

#

i know what channel we're in but clearly they don't know yet

acoustic bolt
#

use your imagination. besides, we don't know the physiology of gorgon heads

#

the fact that you don't see a sexual relationship as wholesome says more about you than dusa tbh

hard viper
#

Dusa is adorable. Go and simp for Artemis or nyx or smth

acoustic bolt
#

i'm not simping for anyone. i'm just saying that it would make sense either way, and being adorable and wholesome do not preclude anyone from sexual relationships. puritanical bs from the hades discord of all places

hard viper
#

🗿

acoustic bolt
#

is there a guide somewhere for the random emojis? i honestly have no idea what that means and often don't with some of the others.

grim arrow
#

it says online strength and determination but i always assumed it was like

#

bemused

grim arrow
#

unvased

acoustic bolt
#

indeed

brisk trail
#

dnc about intimate and sexual relationships in hades

#

reunite the pantheon

#

forget the hoes u gotta deal with the greek god family

hard viper
acoustic bolt
#

got it

#

i didn't really mean actually use your imagination. i just meant the problem of her just being a head was an artificial one that was distracting from my actual point lol

hearty saddle
#

i beat hades for the first time!! GOD I AM GOOD AT THE BOW

safe tinsel
hearty saddle
safe tinsel
#

Hmm ok

#

I've heard good things abt Hera

#

Though Chiron is definitely nothing to scoff at

rustic vale
#

Chiron can be scoffed at

#

It bad zag bow

#

No crit chance and less arrow on special = worse than zag bow

safe tinsel
#

NyANyA mEwMeW SaiD iT WaS GoOd

hearty saddle
#

hey cut me some slack here i literally just beat the game for the first time

rustic vale
#

I’m joking

#

Chiron is fine

#

For lower heats anyways

safe tinsel
#

I like fists?

safe tinsel
#

I'm still on low heat so it's fine

rustic vale
#

I like every aspect of every weapon except for the fake ones

latent moon
#

Zap fists moment

lean timber
#

we have rail at home

#

live immortal father reaction

rustic vale
#

Spreadfire is literally better heavy knuckle shadesmile

hearty saddle
#

AWHHH PERSEPHONE IS SO ADORABLE

acoustic bolt
#

i was really trying to make arty fists work

#

like heavy knuckle concentrated hammer

#

was not happening

rustic vale
rustic vale
latent moon
#

I tried that with aphro atk lmao

acoustic bolt
#

how did it go?

latent moon
#

Retrash apparently did heart rend heavy knuckle lmao

latent moon
acoustic bolt
#

i just felt weak

#

besides the fact that the setup is excruciating

latent moon
#

Had pretty fat damage per hit tho it's just so slow

acoustic bolt
#

it's like worse than ME

latent moon
#

True

acoustic bolt
#

oh you just need to have splash dash sea storm and smair

#

easy peezy

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

your fists are irrelevant

rustic vale
#

They did big damage

acoustic bolt
#

i find your data dubious without a dps meter. it would be more believable if you didn't have tdash/smair but it's hard to take that statement seriously when you already have two of the other best sources of damage

safe tinsel
#

Hard to argue with that assessment

hearty saddle
#

okay so the whole heat thing is confusing me

#

self imposed difficulty right

acoustic bolt
#

yeah

#

there are a bunch of options that increase the difficulty and they are worth X amount of heat

hearty saddle
#

oh alright

latent moon
#

If you don't increase it you don't get titan blood, diamonds, or ambrosia

acoustic bolt
#

heat is just the term for difficulty setting

latent moon
#

So you do have to increase it at some point

hearty saddle
#

yeah of course ill do hear

#

heat

#

its just that idk what to start with lol

acoustic bolt
#

one sec i gotcha

#

that is generally considered a gradual increase in difficulty

hearty saddle
#

oh alright then

acoustic bolt
# hearty saddle oh alright then

quick tip for tight deadline since going fast is overwhelming to some people at first. pause the game while making decisions and it helps to take shops since you don't have to clear them to get past them

#

shops and story rooms i mean. like the room with eurydice.

latent moon
#

Chaos gates too

hearty saddle
#

oh yeah i usually did that already ahaha

#

but im gonna experiment with heat tmrw since ive been playing for too long

latent moon
#

If your total time is 36 minutes for a run then you should be fine for tight deadline 1

hearty saddle
acoustic bolt
#

if you're on pc, the speedrun mod has a lot of quality of life stuff. like displaying your chamber number in the corner at all times.

latent moon
#

Oh lmao you're gonna have to speed up a bit

acoustic bolt
#

tight deadline 3 is 5 minutes per biome. it's scary at first but eventually it just clicks and you barely think about it.

latent moon
#

Pausing between decisions is probably gonna be the biggest time save here then lmao

hearty saddle
latent moon
#

Oh and always taking miniboss rooms

#

Those are faster than normal encounters

#

Unless you get asterius and then it can be hit or miss

#

If you struggle with the butterfly ball too then try not to take a miniboss room in ely

hearty saddle
#

butterfly ball never caused me any trouble so

#

i appreciate all of the tips btw

#

cant wait to play again lol

acoustic bolt
#

i hate butterfly ball on hunting blades builds

#

just zips away from the blades

latent moon
#

Middle management moment lmao

hearty saddle
acoustic bolt
acoustic bolt
#

slicing shot is ares cast

latent moon
#

On the heat guide it's recommend at 5 heat lmao that's pretty early

hearty saddle
#

ohh alr

acoustic bolt
latent moon
#

Power couple gonna delete at least 1 DD from people just starting to use MM lmao

acoustic bolt
#

i hate power couple so much

latent moon
#

I hate it unless I'm speedrunning

acoustic bolt
#

(power couple is the mini boss that's a giant gorgon head and a giant thwomp thing)

latent moon
#

Because that's pretty fast

hearty saddle
#

i dont understand any of these terms anyways goodnight

#

g’bye

acoustic bolt
#

later

acoustic bolt
#

do you just hang out in lava so the thing lands in it?

#

maybe that's the secret lol

latent moon
acoustic bolt
#

oh right i always forget speedrunning is low heat

latent moon
#

What I do is burst the shield of the gorgon as fast as possible, stand on it, when the thwomp is about to land I meg it

#

Or get hit by the thwomp and then meg lmao

#

Using companion gives you iframes btw

#

So if you time it right you can take no damage from a thwomp landing on you

#

I've done it like two or three times but I can never do it consistently lmao

acoustic bolt
#

on a lot of builds i have trouble getting to the gorgon

#

5 homing stone shots wasn't too bad before FO2

latent moon
#

the gorgon teleporting around doesn't help either lmao

#

lmao yeah

#

it helps a lot that i'm using beo and i can sacrifice a lot of hp because ik i can get an easy clear

acoustic bolt
#

I almost never use beo. Zeus is so much more fun to me

latent moon
#

that's fair

#

i should learn zeus tbh

#

i've been meaning to climb heat with other aspects/weapons but im just bad at everything that isn't bow or shied lmao

twin tide
#

Gilgamesh

latent moon
#

gilga is cringe

short glen
#

No

twin tide
#

no

latent moon
#

i already hate the fists enough dont make me use something worse lmao

twin tide
#

but 6 dashes

#

With Hermes boon

latent moon
#

you get like 3

#

ah

#

i'd rather just not lmao

#

i'll stick to dem fists

twin tide
#

I need to play spear more

latent moon
#

i hate spear too lmao

acoustic bolt
#

befriend theseus and asterius mod has a keepsake that gives 3 more dashesa

#

9 dashes

twin tide
#

like normal is boring hades is underwhelming Achilles is eh and guan yu

#

Is guan yu

acoustic bolt
#

i enjoy achilles

#

achilles + flurry jab is wonderful

twin tide
#

Yeah that’s what I use

latent moon
#

i just forget that sometimes i need to empty dash and just take a lot of damage lmao

#

holding m1 go brrrr

twin tide
#

is arthur sword good

latent moon
#

it's pretty good yeah

acoustic bolt
#

i hate it

latent moon
#

it'll hold it's own until like 40 heat

#

but i also hate it yeah lmao

twin tide
#

I like doing over 1000 dmg in a hit

latent moon
#

arty strike moment

acoustic bolt
#

clockets

latent moon
#

beo with heroic rd, 15 ichors, mirage, and 30 braids

acoustic bolt
#

or just mirage trippy shot beo

latent moon
#

true

lean timber
#

the moose game

twin tide
#

(Confidential)

lean timber
livid crescent
#

are there rewards/prophecies for maxing out the mirror or leveling all keepsakes to 3 stars? i thought I saw it before (for the second one), but not seeing it now

acoustic bolt
#

i think there are achievements

swift inlet
hard viper
#

this game is a 9.5/10

twin tide
#

I did a Rama build once with double shot explosive shot

swift inlet
#

Arthur is only getting 1000+ on its wack full combo final hit, hestia can pump out massive numbers with every shot

twin tide
#

Very slow but hit like a truck

swift inlet
#

Explosive is horrible for rama

twin tide
#

Very fun lol

swift inlet
#

Worst hammer

twin tide
#

Idc

hard viper
twin tide
#

I beat theasus asterius extreme measures 3 with it

swift inlet
#

It can already be hard to get power shots off in the chaos with rama, and that's where the big damage is

twin tide
#

And hades so yeah

swift inlet
#

That doesn't mean it's good, em4 hades got beaten by an afk build

#

That isn't an exaggeration, it was literally a build that stacked revenge boons and had the zeus ares duo

twin tide
#

I never said it was good

#

I said I had fun with it and beat a run

#

Also yeah I’ve seen a afk build lol

#

I did do it

#

I just like Rama even though the other bows seem better

acoustic bolt
#

i'm reasonably certain rama is the most powerful bow

#

they're not saying rama is bad just explosive rama is bad

#

it doesn't matter it's sweet you're having fun with it

twin tide
#

I guess I like goofy builds lmao

#

Idk I’m kinda newish anyway to hades if 8 heat max is new

glacial isle
#

What is the best build for Chiron bow? I’m getting bored with Aphrodite attack with Dio special

twin tide
#

Probably could go higher heat but I’m getting rewards

acoustic bolt
#

arty special is probably the best

hard viper
#

did my first ever 3 heat run

#

with the +20 to all enemy stats thing that gave 3 heat points, or whatever that thing was

acoustic bolt
#

forced overtime?

hard viper
#

yeah

acoustic bolt
#

20% attack and movement speed

hard viper
#

yeah it made it def harder

#

i guess thats what heat is for tho

twin tide
#

Hey what’s the best shield cause I wanna use shields more

acoustic bolt
#

try forced overtime 2 extreme measures 3 and meet nightmare asterius

#

zeus shield

twin tide
#

Or most fun cause in goofy

acoustic bolt
#

is the best one

twin tide
#

the one that’s a buzzsaw special right

hard viper
jade sinew
#

What the heck the fists are OP

acoustic bolt
acoustic bolt
jade sinew
#

I just killed Tisiphone in like 15 seconds

twin tide
#

Fist main here lol

acoustic bolt
#

i lost like 15 fist runs in a row at 35. it was the only weapon i had that much trouble clearing it with lol

twin tide
#

but I use Gilgamesh mostly but I like demeter

jade sinew
#

I had frost flourish at level 3, managed to get behind her and just keep hitting her in the back with my special

rustic vale
twin tide
#

Why not

latent moon
#

special throw bad, negligible damage

#

also can't atk/block during that time

twin tide
#

literally have used chaos once

#

At 0 heat

rustic vale
#

It’s the worst shield

#

it’s gimmick literally doesn’t matter

#

So it’s practically aspectless

twin tide
#

Let’s go

acoustic bolt
#

zag bow
arty attack
heart rend
twin shot
flurry shot
purple ravenous will
purple swift strike
33% chaos attack
44% dash-strike

#

this is sweet

twin tide
#

Cool except I can’t play zag bow

acoustic bolt
#

i mean i have flurry shot

#

you literally just hold down the attack button

rustic vale
#

Iirc

acoustic bolt
#

oh even if you dash?

#

that sucks

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

UC making me sell heart rend, passion dash, or swift strike 😦

twin tide
#

I just play hera bow too much

acoustic bolt
#

i guess i sell passion dash and hope i find it in styx

rustic vale
#

True

#

Finding cores again ez

acoustic bolt
#

oh man i just realized i did elysium with aphro keepsake from aspho

rustic vale
#

Copypasta bouldy

hard viper
#

absolutely chaos. chaos is by far the best shield aspect and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. chaos has no downsides, while zeus does have a downside, and its that your special moves slower. being able to actually deal damage with your special is completely irrelevant if its slow and impossible to use, but having more specials is clearly better. what even is a "blitz disc" anyway? what a terrible name. "bonus shields" is the stuff im after. just think how much cooler it is to be able to throw 6 shields at once like captain america compared to just lazily sliding your shield along the ground. and dont even get me started on the design of the shields. the aspect of chaos' design on the shield is clearly surperior, because it is one big eye, while zeus has two small eyes. who doesnt like big eyes? not me! and also, chaos (the character) is just objectively cooler and more egg than zeus, who is neither cool nor egg. this is why the aspect of zeus on aegis, the shield of chaos, is clearly worse than the aspect of chaos on aegis, the shield of chaos. i mean, the aspect is even named after the original owner of the shield! it clearly gets bonus points for that.

twilit lodge
#

Cause of Death: Ancient Curse

grim arrow
#

to learn the lyre can i just sit and spam e

#

or do i have to interact through various escape attempts

twilit lodge
#

Not sure, I think I improved on the second time interacting it in the house when it happened

#

Which would point towards each interaction counting

#

There’s a dialogue with orpheus that I think is also required

grim arrow
#

alright ty

#

im prepared for a boring 10 minutes

twilit lodge
#

I don’t think I have ever interacted with it 210 times in total lmao

#

I usually do like 3 or 5 times per house trip

#

And I got an orpheus dialogue about practicing very early on

high island
#

Yeah, just play a bit between runs. You don't learn to play an instrument in a day.

brisk trail
#

absolutely arthur. arthur is by far the best sword aspect and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. arthur has no downsides, while nemesis does have a downside, and its that your attacks deal less damage. being able to crit is completely irrelevant if the base damage is low, but having more damage and coverage is clearly better. what even is a "critical chance" anyway? what a terrible name. "massive damage numbers" is the stuff im after. just think how much cooler it is to be able to do 4000 damage in one hit compared to just lazily spamming dash strike. and dont even get me started on the design of the swords. the aspect of arthur design clearly surperior, because it is flipping huge, while nemesis is tiny. who doesnt like big swords? not me! and also, arthur (the character) is just objectively cooler and more chad than nemesis, who is neither cool nor chad. this is why the aspect of nemesis on the stygian blade, is clearly worse than the aspect of arthur, i mean, the aspect is even named after the original owner of the sword! it clearly gets bonus points for that.

twilit lodge
#

Bad copy pasta edit

#

Arthur isn’t a shield

brisk trail
#

i fixedit

high island
#

Says who?

#

You can use a sword to block.

#

That makes it a shield.

brisk trail
#

yes you can if you have athena attack

twilit lodge
#

No that makes it a sword being used to block

high island
twilit lodge
#

🤯

high island
#

And can be used like a sword.

brisk trail
#

ok I did some editing hopefully ists a bit better

swift inlet
#

Behold, my bladed shield with a hilt and scabbard

#

What do you mean, it's a claymore? It's a sharp shield

twilit lodge
#

Hm h1 greater haste hyper sprint or epic greatest reflex

swift inlet
#

And are you trying to speedrun or

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

Achilles arte attack aphro special dem cast ddash

swift inlet
#

Thin projectile shield 🧠

twilit lodge
#

Got a dem duo c18… and it’s stubborn roots

swift inlet
#

Go hyper sprint and try for rush delivery

#

But don't count on it

#

hermes is wack with rd odds even when you optimize

swift inlet
twilit lodge
#

But ddash op

swift inlet
#

Well, pairing athena with dem at all opens it up

rustic vale
swift inlet
#

lmao

twilit lodge
#

Dashing icky

rustic vale
#

Always have been in shambles

swift inlet
#

I mean even without keepsakes a person who has an idea of what to do with their boonswill overall get better builds than someone who doesn't

#

A half functional build is better than one that just doesn't have any synergy

twilit lodge
#

Than critting off hunters mark

#

Gd killstealer

#

Hyperdelivery hype

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

Sounds based

#

Based on nothing

swift inlet
#

Incredible

swift inlet
#

Nice

#

Don't get used to it lmao

twilit lodge
#

Yeah with this trash build 💪

swift inlet
#

lmao

twilit lodge
#

Do dem casts snapshot attack bonus when dropped

#

Or dynamic

twilit lodge
#

If I drop a dem cast while under hyperdelivery

swift inlet
#

This is why we never take athena with dem

#

Oh, it's dynamic

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

So I have to keep dashing

#

Which I will anyway just wondered

swift inlet
#

RD only boosts at each given moment

#

Achilles does the opposite though

twilit lodge
#

Means I don’t have to stagger the casts in between dashes tho so that’s good

rustic vale
#

which is why greater haste is better since it’s always active

swift inlet
#

Since it isn't a global buff based on a bonus, but is a targeted buff for 4 specific acts

rustic vale
swift inlet
#

Ichor + haste carry

swift inlet
#

Rd is global, Achilles is targeted

twilit lodge
rustic vale
#

I figured I just didn’t see any mention of achilles

#

Oh I missed it

#

I see it now

round summit
#

Okay I have a question: that Hermes boon that gives you the ability to hold cast for rapid fire... does that work with, say, Beowulf shield or Hera bow while loading cast into weapon?

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

Don’t they both load one cast at a time max

round summit
#

It would be cool

#

Man, I still feel like a newbie even tho I did the epilogue of this game. There is so much to learn

swift inlet
#

Because it provides no real benefit, basically

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

I haven’t used them that’s why I’m asking

#

🤨

rustic vale
#

No

#

You can load as many casts as you have

swift inlet
twilit lodge
#

Icicic

#

Achilles top

#

Good joke

#

Patroclus top

swift inlet
#

No Achilles is literally one of the be-

#

Oh

#

🗿

rustic vale
#

also eris is a castpect

latent moon
#

Talos

swift inlet
#

You just have to break your fingers to do it

twilit lodge
#

Party

swift inlet
#

And make 30 calculations at once

rustic vale
round summit
swift inlet
round summit
#

Would be cool, imo

twilit lodge
#

Nerf the cast ammo spects

swift inlet
#

And Achilles doesn't care about that nerf

#

So

#

It'd still be s tier

twilit lodge
#

Cast user stonks through the roof

latent moon
rustic vale
#

Or am I tripping

twilit lodge
#

Hammer2 still no flurry jab

#

Cursed Achilles run

swift inlet
#

Play modded

#

Play modded

#

Play modded

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

Alexa how do I mod my switch

swift inlet
#

Yeah I highroll for anvil clockets

swift inlet
twilit lodge
#

Heart rend

short glen
#

Pc superior

twilit lodge
#

Better than roots at least

swift inlet
twilit lodge
#

Not clarity tho which this build is in dire need of rn

#

My attacks are falling off hard in ely

swift inlet
#

Yep

#

Just do blades

#

Ideal achilles build I'm p sure is like

latent moon
#

Meme beam moment

twilit lodge
#

With vicious skewer extending jab

#

Based Achilles hammers

swift inlet
#

zeus attack, art special, ares cast, poseidon dash

#

And then jolted + cast stuff + hunting blades

latent moon
#

And flurry

swift inlet
#

Yeah but that's bare minimum

#

I'm not touching achilles without flurry

twilit lodge
#

Switch should just remove Achilles since no guaranteed flurry

#

What was sgg thinking

swift inlet
#

Stop complaining when sword hammers exist

twilit lodge
#

They don’t if I refuse to acknowledge them

swift inlet
#

Then don't acknowledge non flurry jab hammers

#

Always get c1 anvil with flurry

high island
#

Plenty of viable Achilles builds you can do that don't require Flurry Jab.

swift inlet
#

Unfun

high island
#

If you're trying to min-max for speedruns, that's a self-imposed challenge.

#

The game doesn't require sub 7 clears.

swift inlet
#

Just get c1 poseidon dash c2 flurry c3 zeus strike c4 epic jolted c5-7 hunting blades

latent moon
#

You don't need flurry if you're just doing blades

swift inlet
#

Every time

#

Ez

twilit lodge
#

Hades but you can’t see the credits unless you clear sub7

latent moon
#

Ez

swift inlet
#

I got a 6:60, 6:40, and 6:39

#

🦾

#

tas

#

Ignore those sub 3s they don't exist

latent moon
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6:42 gaming

high island
latent moon
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I've given up on speedrunning

swift inlet
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Based

latent moon
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Spin gaming

swift inlet
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I'm giving up on beo speedrunning at least

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And probably sub 7 in general

latent moon
swift inlet
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I'll just do sub 8 on every weapon but fists if I can

twilit lodge
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Just play fists

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Fists fun

high island
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Giving up on speedrunning is just choosing to play more of the game than Tartarus.

swift inlet
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So true

twilit lodge
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Talos sucks

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It’s part of the kit

rustic vale
swift inlet
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Tart isn't as bad as ely resets

latent moon
swift inlet
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Ely means you've given up a run that already had a decent pace and build

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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No anvil this run kek

swift inlet
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based, just get the hammers

twilit lodge
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Stuck with these gaming hammers

high island
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Come to think of it, I've moved from Hades to two gacha games. I guess that's the opposite of moving away from RNG.

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Hades RNG made me a gacha addict.

twilit lodge
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Gacha games noooo

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I need to give up AFK Arena but I’m too stubborn to

swift inlet
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My girlfriend made me play Hades and now she's making me play Omega Strikers

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Pretty fun tbh

twilit lodge
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Girlfriend moment

swift inlet
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Soccer/football moment

twilit lodge
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No that’s birds

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Birds aren’t real

twilit lodge
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Gross why would I want to? They’re soft and smell nice and stuff

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Ick

latent moon
twilit lodge
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No anvil but hermes3 is epic greater haste

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Gaming engaged

swift inlet
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OMG I PULLED A 4 STAR IMPENDING DOOM!!!!

iron python
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I just beat Hades for my first time lets goooo

latent moon
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YOOOOOOOOOOO

swift inlet
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Time to gamble on poms!

latent moon
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

latent moon
swift inlet
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I sold my firstborn child to demeter and she rare cropped lightning strike noooooo

high island
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"Girls aren't real" jokes are a lot more offensive than you might realize. Maybe don't do that.

twilit lodge
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“Wow, you found Epic Divine Dash! We’ve prepared a special offer for you”

iron python
latent moon
swift inlet
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Woman erasure

latent moon
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I think mine was also 17 lol

swift inlet
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Seems pretty obvious

iron python
latent moon
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Fists I think?

twilit lodge
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My first clear was sword

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So shameful

swift inlet
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Just sell your kidney to afford a legendary aspect

latent moon
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Merciful end goes strong lol

swift inlet
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Aspects are now gated behind lootboxes btw