#h1-discussion

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swift inlet
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There's your issue

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Using fists šŸ˜Ž

acoustic bolt
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Yeah

twilit lodge
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Talos fist sucks

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Get it

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Do you get the joke do you understand what I meant

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Please respond

acoustic bolt
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Found ME but no impending doom. Died to dad because he did the mass laser and I got caught in a corner with a jar

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The jar was where I needed to stand to not get lasered

safe tinsel
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Imagine not pre-emptively taking out the jars with a cast

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Or smth

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Or dash actually

twilit lodge
acoustic bolt
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I've tried that and got killed but I'll try it again

swift inlet
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Just use athena revenge and ddash

twilit lodge
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Iā€™ve only tried it a few times, but it does work

swift inlet
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You only get hit once that way

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ez

twilit lodge
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Just game

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Just refund any blood spent on Guan Yu until you can max it holy hell this thing is bad

terse geyser
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it is the perfect tool for never getting hit

twilit lodge
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Maybe after you train with pai mei for 10 years in the mountains

swift inlet
twilit lodge
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Athena is a trap if you started splash dash right

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Unshakeable Mettle

acoustic bolt
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All this easy strategy I'm on 35 heat. Imagine not clearing the jars ok you try when he's zooming around 40% faster šŸ˜œ

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Sorry camp next to dad and get smacked when he's doing 40% more damage

latent moon
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camping next to dad when he's doing the lasers is pretty unreliable unless you practice it a lot

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the dead zone is much smaller than it seems

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if you're gonna get hit by the lasers anyway and don't have any cover nearby then it's definitely your best bet tho

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that or dashing to cover and taking damage along the way

twilit lodge
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The real friends are the damage you take along the way

shadow pivot
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When you get a double boon room, how do you choose which boon first? Only by which is harder to fight? Or does 1st/2nd boon get increased rarity?

latent moon
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no rarity increases or anything

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you just take the god who's trial is harder

shadow pivot
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Copy

twilit lodge
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If you need a certain core, you would wanna pick that first probably

latent moon
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you can't get a duo in those room tho

twilit lodge
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Unless itā€™ll give you a rough trial

shadow pivot
latent moon
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dem trials residentzag

twilit lodge
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Athena trials zagcry

latent moon
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you only have 2 dashes bouldy

shadow pivot
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Secondary question: say you're going for a duo boon
Is it possible to reroll it, or if you dont get it the first time around you wont land it on reroll?

latent moon
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2 dashes can't cover all the ground to the lasers

terse geyser
twilit lodge
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You can reroll and get duos if you didnā€™t the first time

terse geyser
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oh, also, funny story

twilit lodge
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But as bananas said, trial rooms canā€™t give duo

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For either god

terse geyser
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my spear pb until like a week ago was serrated point guan yu

latent moon
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the lasers go across the whole screen and there's only 2 pillars and you can't guarantee fighting him only in taht area

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the cue is pretty short with fo2

twilit lodge
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The lasers are pretty telegraphed but also pobodyā€™s nerfect

latent moon
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^

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like i said earlier, the dead zone is much smaller than it seems

twilit lodge
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Mans acts like heā€™s never been hit by lasers in his life

latent moon
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yes you can reliably get into it with practice, but it's not worth banking a whole run for

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unless you absolutely have to

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you're running relatively low heat tho so it's not as inherently risky

twilit lodge
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Deadzone more like get zoned, dad

latent moon
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Azi is doing 35 on freaking fists, which sucks

acoustic bolt
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I really hate them

latent moon
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it's so horrid lmao

twilit lodge
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Fist dstrike is actually tight enough you could probably camp dad and still attack during 360 if really careful

terse geyser
twilit lodge
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Unlike other weps

terse geyser
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it's long enough

latent moon
terse geyser
twilit lodge
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Yā€™all ever hug your dad

latent moon
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you can camp deadzone with all weapons bouldy

twilit lodge
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I havenā€™t

acoustic bolt
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For the record I went to pillar and jars spawned in my safe spot so I died lol

terse geyser
latent moon
acoustic bolt
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My dad lives on the other side of the country and doesn't remember where he is half the time

latent moon
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i mean there prob was just a pot where the safe spot was

terse geyser
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no
he popped a pre-placed jar

acoustic bolt
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I could not reasonably make it to the other side unfortunately

twilit lodge
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The pillars have interesting hit boxes for sure

acoustic bolt
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Maybe I'll just try splash dash fists and just not fist

latent moon
acoustic bolt
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Ew

latent moon
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lmao

terse geyser
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I've had lasers APPEAR to stop at the pillar, but still deal damage straight through

acoustic bolt
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Yeah the isometric view makes the actual blocked area weird

twilit lodge
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I remember when the invisible phase2 shockwave was a rare bug for me

acoustic bolt
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Just like splash dash or rod gaming and stop trying to fist

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Lol that's another thing. Dash through skull ground wave into jar šŸ˜…

terse geyser
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@op consider dodging

twilit lodge
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Shockwaves do run out yes

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Personally my favorite strategy is to run away from shockwaves so you get hit multiple times by the same one

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Very gaming

acoustic bolt
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Lol

terse geyser
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though obviously you can't run in after the first dash

twilit lodge
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Chaos strike buffs also affect dash strike right?

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Or has my life been a lie up til now

latent moon
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they do

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should effect dstrikes the same way a normal god boon on the atk should

twilit lodge
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Ok. Itā€™s just hammers that donā€™t always apply to both when they say Attack, right

latent moon
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generally no

twilit lodge
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šŸ‘

latent moon
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mainly sword really, idrk about the other ones

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shield is specific when it says atk vs dstrike tho

twilit lodge
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Wow I did em furies without getting absolutely mauled for a change

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Alecto main

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Meg main EM has been as rough for me as OG Meg was when I first started

swift inlet
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What's wrong w meg

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Tisiphone is the real pain

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Chain stuns you for days

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Alecto is easy to phase down and dodge and meg is probably the safest overall

twilit lodge
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Idk maybe Iā€™ve just had poor dmg for meg

lean timber
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meg -> tis -> alecto

twilit lodge
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But the arena was full of nonsense

swift inlet
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Huge arena, less traps, and she doesn't throw hitboxes out as fast as alecto

swift inlet
lean timber
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yeah

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my preferred order

signal aspen
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Tis has too much health

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But for high heat tis better

twilit lodge
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Pray for me as I attempt tax evasion

swift inlet
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Is she really lmao

twilit lodge
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2nd time fighting EM Lernie

swift inlet
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Em lernie is a cakewalk if you're just trying to win

twilit lodge
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So slow down is what youā€™re suggesting

swift inlet
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You only lose if you're starting to add lots of heat or speedrun into the lava

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Yes

twilit lodge
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Fair

swift inlet
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You don't need unrelenting offense unless you're zooming

twilit lodge
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Last time I did eat lots of magma dmg

swift inlet
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What aspect

twilit lodge
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I go into panic dash mode when lernie throws the aoes on the ground

swift inlet
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Which, trans lernie?

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Trans lernie is the worst bc he head slams 473 times

twilit lodge
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Rn zag shield, the other was a very poor Nem run

lean timber
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L

twilit lodge
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Trans lernie being the blue purple gradient horns? Lmao

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Got acne lernie this time

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Usually an ez one

terse geyser
lean timber
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has no one heard of trans pride lernie

twilit lodge
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Not even the right colors smh lernie

swift inlet
twilit lodge
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I only did em3 on that Nem run because Poseidon wanted me to key Theseusā€™ new whip

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Asterius was definitely Not Fun

swift inlet
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Asterius deserves to be shot by epic rd eris clockets

lean timber
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what is that, 400 Ɨ 1.75

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boonless

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oh my

swift inlet
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Huh

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Shackle moment lmao

lean timber
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no it's

swift inlet
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You said boonless, just add shackle

lean timber
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oh right

swift inlet
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2.75 funny clockets

lean timber
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mmm

swift inlet
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1100 damage lmao

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Incredible

lean timber
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absolutely phenomenal

terse geyser
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doesn't have all the requisite colors

lean timber
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well it's blue and pinkish

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and it's head is white

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you could make the argument

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lol

twilit lodge
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Not on there

hard viper
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Is there actually any difference between the different hydra colors?

twilit lodge
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Different moves

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The little heads too

hard viper
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Imo hydra is the easiest boss to beat but hardest to no-hit

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Apart from hades anyway

twilit lodge
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One spawns adds, one shoots aoes onto the ground, one shoots crescent projectiles

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And the standard I think does some of everything but I honestly canā€™t remember

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Hades can be no-hit easier than hydra imo

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Since your build isnā€™t typically done in aspho and youā€™re probably using an Olympian keepsake

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Cracked build and acorn means dad can be no hit decently often

swift inlet
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Holy moly

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3:17 aspho

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idk what split is ngl

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Oh

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Nvm

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Exit lmao

lean timber
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incredible

swift inlet
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I didn't even take midshop

lean timber
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sub 7 time

swift inlet
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I already have a sub 7

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gunning for sub 6:40

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My 6:40 had a 3:28 so

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As long as I get good ely rng I should be ok

raw herald
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3:17 is sub 6able

swift inlet
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Ayy yo?

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I'd need every skip in elysium lmao

rustic vale
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I have a level 7 epic flood flare leaving tart rn I think this might be a free win

raw herald
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šŸ†“

rustic vale
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Except

twilit lodge
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Smh

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I have everything I need for sea storm

rustic vale
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Itā€™s supposed to be me speedrunning yet Iā€™m at 3:38 tart exit shadegrief shadegrief shadegrief shadegrief

twilit lodge
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And Styx has two dems and dio in shop and dio and dem tunnels

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On god

rustic vale
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Is it worth to sell common static jolt for hopes of better rarity?

swift inlet
rustic vale
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In aspodel

twilit lodge
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What even is my life rn

rustic vale
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but my leaving tart pb is 2:04 with zag fists lmfao

twilit lodge
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Hey me too

rustic vale
swift inlet
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Lower speed/higher time runs get a lot more flexible with exit points

raw herald
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3:38 is sub 7able

twilit lodge
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When the game has forced you to take literally every other available dio boon

rustic vale
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what weapon?

twilit lodge
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Zag shield

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Zeus and Poseidon only showed up because I made them

rustic vale
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dio strike wouldnā€™t be half bad

twilit lodge
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And they resented me for it

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Meanwhile dem and dio been pushy asf since tart

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And ares snuck in after a midshop

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Iā€™ll just take dio flourish since thereā€™s no opportunities left to get sea storm

lean timber
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incredible

twilit lodge
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I think 100% chance because I have no dio core to unlock any t2s

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And I have positive outlook, strong drink

rustic vale
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Is that first hammer cshot in ely sheeesh

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Oh as soon as I got cshot everything started dying

twilit lodge
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So yeah I have strong drink, premium vintage, after party, positive outlook

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Literally dio canā€™t offer anything but trades because of that

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When the gods wonā€™t let you leave them on read sadge

rustic vale
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Beo bug moment

rustic vale
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leaving tart with nem and

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1 single boon

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purple hunter dash

hardy spear
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underworld customsA_

rustic vale
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I would cry

latent moon
rustic vale
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I was hoping for an ambitious arte strike, athena special passion dash

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for deadly reversal and heart rend

latent moon
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oh lmao

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get parting shot too

rustic vale
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bet

latent moon
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also i do get that having arty strike would give you more of a crit chance but i feel like if you also get ddash and used aphro strike it would work better

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because special deflect is kinda mid

rustic vale
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I got hyper delivery

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purple rd

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omg

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why does the game want me to get dem boons so much

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I just want another arte boon for arte strike

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wait

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I have hunter dash

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uh

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lmfao I guess it's aphrodite strike then

twilit lodge
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Does any aspect actually want single dash?

rustic vale
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gilgamesh

twilit lodge
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Gonna do the not good dash mirror option for property

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Prophecy

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Any non hidden

rustic vale
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zag fists dodge chance meme build uses ruthless reflex

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I think hestia maybe? or maybe I read nyaanyaa wrong earlier

twilit lodge
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Tmw weā€™re all using ruthless reflex now that Ruth bader ginsburg is gone

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F in the chat

grim arrow
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Most abbreviations go right over my head

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need to learn them

twilit lodge
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Tmw = that moment when

grim arrow
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oh i mean

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abbreviations like

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ddash

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and

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stuff

twilit lodge
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Rd = rush delivery

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Ddash = divine dash, Athenaā€™s

rustic vale
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ddash=divine dash

grim arrow
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ALRIGHT thats helpful

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only the single best boon

rustic vale
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hyper deliver= hyper sprint + rush delivery

twilit lodge
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Ddash best boon say it isnā€™t so

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You meant rd right

grim arrow
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what makes you like shackle

rustic vale
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uh

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it's based

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+100% is like huge

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boons are a waste anyways

grim arrow
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a waste of what

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+100% is huge but you can get bigger easily

rustic vale
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I got fed up of rng at some point so went and cleared the game with every weapon using shackle

twilit lodge
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Literally all of the best keepsake names are sarcasm

rustic vale
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while pushing my heat

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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At least to a small extent

grim arrow
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Demeter and Artemis give more than +100% alone

rustic vale
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artemis literally doesn't unless you have her flourish at heroic

grim arrow
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you guys are sleeping on Chthonic Coin Purse (this is a joke)

grim arrow
twilit lodge
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Iā€™m not, I take it in ely unless Iā€™m weak and wonā€™t survive heroes without acorn

grim arrow
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ah i meant Aphrodite.

rustic vale
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no gods have more than +100% without rarity and poms

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as aforementioned I got fed up of rng at somepoint plus shackle is the best keepska

twilit lodge
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You canā€™t argue with that

rustic vale
grim arrow
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JUST IN CASE

latent moon
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coin purse sucks.

rustic vale
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anyways I had a goal, I did it, and I stan shackle ever since

twilit lodge
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Imagine

latent moon
rustic vale
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might willingly 5sack this run because it's not pb pace and I'd like to see how strong I can make it

rustic vale
latent moon
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right now

rustic vale
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I'm mid killing hades

latent moon
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fair

rustic vale
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ok\

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supper then 40 beo

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give me a non-suicidal pact

latent moon
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gimme a sec

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this was the one i was using

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fated authority, otherwise standard heat mirror

rustic vale
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fated authority?

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wht

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why

latent moon
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oh i guess i was doing boonless so i didn't want any gods at all

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if you're just doing shackle you can probably use persuasion

rustic vale
latent moon
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but that pact should be relatively fine

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the heroes and dad fight take forever

rustic vale
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I'm gonna get mirage shot c3

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ez

latent moon
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mirage shot would be an easy win tbh

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assuming base cast counts as a flare

rustic vale
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splash dash arte call

latent moon
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which i imagine would

rustic vale
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if it doesn't count shadegrief

latent moon
rustic vale
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oh uh

latent moon
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tdash does work so you're fine

rustic vale
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so about that

latent moon
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about what

rustic vale
latent moon
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lmfao

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should've just gotten cshot tbh

rustic vale
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wdym I got cshot

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ap1 just decided I wouldn't actually

latent moon
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skill issue

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give up and just do a normal beo run lmao

rustic vale
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Game just decided this isnā€™t the run

twilit lodge
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C20 heart rend megamind

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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Using not-dark-foresight

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For prophecy

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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Yeh

rustic vale
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ok good

twilit lodge
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And Zeus gave me the rail phrase at start so Iā€™m stuck following this through lmao

latent moon
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could just die and still unlock it

twilit lodge
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At least Iā€™m getting lots of extra rerolls from key rooms!

rustic vale
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Wait what are you using to get heartrend

twilit lodge
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Passion dash šŸ‘€

rustic vale
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cuz I donā€™t see anything other than like arte strike aphro dash spreadfire working on rail

twilit lodge
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Eris

rustic vale
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Or aphro special

twilit lodge
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Zeus attack arte special aphro dash

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Cluster

rustic vale
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Passion dash lmfao ok

twilit lodge
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Need to high roll into Clockets

latent moon
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gaming

rustic vale
rustic vale
twilit lodge
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I mean Iā€™m c20 so I still have a chance

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C20 and all I have is 3 cores lmao

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Non foresight moment

rustic vale
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still have a chance to save scum anvil šŸ‘

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I left tart earlier with only hunter dash

twilit lodge
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2nd hammer no rocket bomb, build in shambles

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Cluster targeting kinda neat at least

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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Anvil not always there tho right

rustic vale
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50% of the time

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other 50% itā€™s third hermes

twilit lodge
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Pressureā€™s on

rustic vale
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Savescum into clockets ez

twilit lodge
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Save before heroes, upload to cloud and turn off auto upload, redownload save if no anvil šŸ§ 

rustic vale
rustic vale
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do you know how it works or do you want me to explain it

twilit lodge
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I donā€™t

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(know)

rustic vale
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so basically you go grab anvil, if you donā€™t like the options enter the menu and give up quit the run

twilit lodge
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Oh I know how to do that part

rustic vale
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then load back in, cast once

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thatā€™ll change rng

twilit lodge
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I was saying how I could scum the anvil showing up or not

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Sry

rustic vale
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If on shield Iā€™ve noticed that on shield attacking and specialing also works for rng manip

lean timber
rustic vale
twilit lodge
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And if I do what I said, theoretically I could retry heroes and see if Styx shop changes

solar oriole
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Can zag ever lift the weights?

latent moon
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no

solar oriole
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Weak ass

latent moon
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true

lean timber
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twink

solar oriole
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Bottom

terse geyser
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y'all are calling each other some very strange things in the official supergiant games discord

solar oriole
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Nah weā€™re clowning on zag

terse geyser
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y'all are calling *official supergiant games characters some very strange things in the official supergiant games discord

rustic vale
rustic vale
short glen
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Zag is like 5'2 btw

dusky cypress
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losing 1/2 death defiances to thesius and asterius is a p good benchmark for "I'm going to get destroyed by hades", right?

snow skiff
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bruhhh fr

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i'm taller than zag šŸ’€

short glen
rustic vale
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Iā€™m taller than zag šŸ’Ŗ

dusky cypress
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I feel like I have 0 clue how to use bow/fists

latent moon
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zag is a midget

rustic vale
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bow is just dstrike dstrike dstrike

snow skiff
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dstrike dn

rustic vale
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so is fists

terse geyser
# rustic vale Stop using Cheat Engine

actually, the best twinks are put together manually by clearing high-level areas with low-level stats and equipment. In the long run, skill will always be more important than the gear you hold

rustic vale
rustic vale
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for bow

dusky cypress
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standing

rustic vale
dusky cypress
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doesn't dash let you charge while moving or smthn

terse geyser
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no

rustic vale
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Dash makes you charge faster

dusky cypress
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idr but also it wouldn't help me lmao

terse geyser
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it's significantly faster

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it's like

rustic vale
latent moon
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33% faster

rustic vale
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33% faster

rustic vale
latent moon
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git gud

terse geyser
rustic vale
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point stands, only dstrike on bow

terse geyser
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you never know when he'll come back to get you in an erebus gate
or survival room
or fb summon

lean timber
short glen
rustic vale
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point stands, only dstrike on bow pretty much every weapon other than shield

snow skiff
terse geyser
snow skiff
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like?

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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Standing dash

snow skiff
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you should be popping dash-strike power shots for every attack on base bow

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rama has some merit standing striking but ehh

terse geyser
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they have a single iota of health, or a single iota of health higher than a dash strike

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are the two occasions

lean timber
rustic vale
short glen
snow skiff
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breakp

terse geyser
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you can.

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every enemy has set stats

lean timber
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lol

terse geyser
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(unless modified by pact ofc)

snow skiff
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breakpoints toxic

lean timber
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lol

rustic vale
terse geyser
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false

base bow exists, I'm afraid

rustic vale
snow skiff
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what does chiron even do

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this is like lvl0 zagbow but 1 less special arrow for some reason

terse geyser
rustic vale
rustic vale
terse geyser
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...allegedly

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I haven't actually used it

lean timber
latent moon
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why do you need the special to home when you can point blank the special instead

terse geyser
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but I did read the description

rustic vale
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Chiron is just zag bow but you have less specials and have no crit chance

lean timber
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literally.

rustic vale
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Itā€™s nerfing your bow

snow skiff
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Sometimes i think "bow should really have a special based aspect" and then i remember

lean timber
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rama

rustic vale
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sometimes I think ā€œbow should really have a castpectā€ then I remember beowulf

latent moon
latent moon
rustic vale
latent moon
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true

rustic vale
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Lucifer moment

snow skiff
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This is why talos is op

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Higher chance of breaching

rustic vale
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This is why hades is OP
Without being able to get flurry youā€™re more likely to find explosive charged skewer

snow skiff
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So true

rustic vale
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This is why arthur is best sword

short glen
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Arthur is best sword in general tbh

rustic vale
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Being unable to get flurry slash, cruel thrust and world splitter is huge

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way higher dedge chances

lean timber
rustic vale
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Iā€™m right though

latent moon
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so true

rustic vale
terse geyser
short glen
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Should have just got charged shot

rustic vale
lean timber
short glen
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Shoulda got better rng. Skill issue

latent moon
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imagine unmodded

rustic vale
lean timber
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eighteen

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actually fourteen one for each year of my life

rustic vale
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Good šŸ‘ keep at it eventually youā€™ll be successful

rustic vale
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smh

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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Imagine wondering what happened on 9/11

rustic vale
#

And I will use it

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Hera is like the one aspect I never learned how to build because beowulf exists

terse geyser
rustic vale
#

I guess you just play it like bad zag with cast

twilit lodge
#

Hera is a fds aspect

snow skiff
#

done

rustic vale
latent moon
#

hera is a fds aspect discount zag bow extremely budget beo

twilit lodge
#

hera is

snow skiff
#

beo sucks

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beo is loser achilles smh

rustic vale
snow skiff
#

and also loser talos

twilit lodge
#

Hera is budget hera

rustic vale
#

Tbh I might literally build hera like bad zag bow because splash dash and arte attack already open mirage shot and itā€™s a castpect

#

This is the clear hera meta

latent moon
#

mirage shot hera with no cast boon

#

take shackle into hades

snow skiff
#

shackle šŸ§ 

rustic vale
#

passion shot so I can get heart rend on my attack ez

latent moon
#

lmfao

rustic vale
#

Actually dio attack dio flare blackout hera šŸ§ 

latent moon
#

based

hard viper
rustic vale
#

Fun

#

that was a screenshot from a while ago back when I was running shackle something or other

latent moon
rustic vale
hard viper
lean timber
rustic vale
#

Matty sub 4 hera when?

snow skiff
#

sub 3:30 rama unmodded unseeded

latent moon
#

with hera, you want to start with poseidon cast and then arty atk so you open up mirage shot

rustic vale
latent moon
#

yes

rustic vale
#

Alternatively go for trippy flare high roll

#

on hera

latent moon
#

if it works on beo it can work on hera

#

if anything it's better on hera because you dont have to get charged shot

rustic vale
latent moon
#

shush

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dw about it

rustic vale
#

and no +100% attack damage and size for loading cast

latent moon
#

just get 30 braids

#

equal damage imo

rustic vale
hard viper
#

i think the higher chance for epic boons is a better choice than the higher duo/legendary buff

rustic vale
#

Anybody who thinks otherwise is like a flat earther

latent moon
#

legacy beo gaming

rustic vale
#

/j

latent moon
#

also legacy chiron gaming because you need the 4 duos in order for it to be good

hard viper
#

crossed out + /j = you aren't joking

rustic vale
#

Iā€™ll cross out the /j to make it a triple negative

terse geyser
lean timber
#

hera is great because it's so versatile, but here's my favorite build (and the best one, imo). so what you do is you go for arty cast, true shot. a few reasons for this is that its tracking is insane and it always hits its target. also has great damage and crit potential. then what you want to do is get heartbreak strike from aphrodite, which gives you a good damage attack and weak. then you find yourself heart rend which multiplies your crit damage by 1.5. incredible. demeter is a great goddess as well because her cast augmentations are extremely powerful and she helps get privileged status online. for this reason you want to get nourished soul from her for healing (you'll need it), rare crop to make your cast awesome, and frozen touch. if you get hit, you instantly have pstat online which is a huge deal, and it's definitely pretty easy to get hit lol!! that's my hera build it gets me great results

rustic vale
latent moon
#

lysol is a flat earther duh

rustic vale
#

I stand by what I said earlier

#

Anywho it was an analogy

#

legacy is a scam and pride is the better option

twilit lodge
#

/jnā€™t

rustic vale
#

/jonā€™t

latent moon
#

/jolted

terse geyser
latent moon
#

legacy is a scam

lean timber
#

legacy is a scam

dusky cypress
#

? I think I just got a nectar from doing a trove (got a heart from beating death + I know it wasn't a nectar room because I got +5 from picking up darkness)

twilit lodge
#

Iā€™m 50% sure Iā€™ve seen a nectar pop out of a trove as well before

#

In addition to the prize it was supposed to have

latent moon
#

It's rare yeah

lean timber
#

10% chance i think?

rustic vale
rustic vale
#

I said anyone who thinks legacy > pride is like a flat earther

lean timber
#

wrong

rustic vale
#

Theyā€™re wrong about something thatā€™s objective fact

lean timber
#

rocket

rustic vale
#

Rocket bonb

lean timber
#

bonb

#

ratio

rustic vale
#

Spreadfire doesnā€™t affect hestia shot

#

Only the rest of the mag

latent moon
#

Spread fire and piercing fire together is based

rustic vale
#

Spreadfire explosive fire is more based

#

Especially with like demeter attack

brisk trail
#

hi

#

today I learned Zagreus is gay for his (adoptive) brother

rustic vale
rustic vale
lean timber
#

zag ree us

brisk trail
rustic vale
brisk trail
#

also the aphrodite boons are overpowered

rustic vale
#

the aphrodite boons are strong but not overpowered

brisk trail
rustic vale
#

thatā€™s not really cheesing any bosses tbh

brisk trail
#

I recently went to a forest

brisk trail
rustic vale
#

I assume very

snow skiff
#

bruh

#

the clear choice is hazard

#

hazard best hammer

#

rocket L

#

hazard is hestia best hammer

latent moon
#

Hazard is good on eris

rustic vale
#

Honestly you might be fine if you also get zeus call smair

#

Twin or triple shot

#

Flurry

twilit lodge
#

Sniper shot /j

rustic vale
#

Double or triple damage šŸ§ 

twilit lodge
#

Twin doubles your attack so

#

Yes

rustic vale
#

double is double the attack damage

#

because youā€™re hitting twice

twilit lodge
#

Double is two arrows

rustic vale
#

And double the stackable status affects

twilit lodge
#

So multiplicative damage šŸ’Ŗ

rustic vale
#

and triple is the same you just use it like a shotgun

twilit lodge
#

Ion even have hera unlocked yet why do I know all this

rustic vale
#

cuz hera hammers are also zag bow hammers and aspectless bow hammers and chiron hammers

snow skiff
#

my mirror is broken

#

my flipsides are stuck at lvl0 and eat all my darkness when upgrading

rustic vale
#

Itā€™s not a bug itā€™s a feature

#

Like mirage shot beo

snow skiff
#

turn off aim at cursor

latent moon
#

Turn off keyboard

rustic vale
#

Are you playing on a literal toaster?

lean timber
#

i do that

latent moon
#

Happens to the best of us

vital tapir
#

i use a ds3 and my old one would freak out and press everything repeatedly if you squeezed it a bit

#

including pressing the joystick buttons

#

nearly deleted my save

twilit lodge
#

That sounds based

lean timber
#

a dark souls 3?

rustic vale
#

I think those victories are sus

#

No matter what

#

Although

#

I did see someone do really well really fast before

#

Legit

twilit lodge
#

Those victories are beyond sus

rustic vale
#

Only the ones that put it there on purpose

snow skiff
signal aspen
#

I think it's legit they used frost strike

#

Best boon

rustic vale
#

I have no clue about mods

signal aspen
#

It shows all boons

rustic vale
#

I just know that mods donā€™t show on victory screen unless itā€™s specifically made to

snow skiff
#

WHY

twilit lodge
#

Too much wasd

signal aspen
#

A

#

Just do mobile gaming

#

Use wasd there

twilit lodge
#

Just use Tesla brain interface

signal aspen
#

Tap to move

twilit lodge
#

Can you imagine this game with tap to move

#

Suffering

lean timber
#

walk at cursor

twilit lodge
#

Hades but with old school resident evil controls

#

Left and right turn your character and up/down to move forward or walk backwards

lean timber
#

first person hades

#

pain.

twilit lodge
#

Hoarding slash dash nova shadow slash first hammer for nemesis

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

TFW no ā€œtake noneā€ option

rustic vale
#

atleast 2 of them arenā€™t hammers that nerf your sword

#

so whether you want a neglible damage increase or hoarding slash

latent moon
#

I'd do shadow because sometimes it's useful lmao

#

Does shadow effect dash strikes actually

twilit lodge
latent moon
#

Oh bruh

#

Take dash nova because at least you can see something happen

twilit lodge
#

Kappa

rustic vale
#

dash nova is based

#

anyways I would take hoarding slash at least it applies to dstrikes

latent moon
#

Yeah

twilit lodge
#

Theseus gonna call me out for hiding behind pillars smh

sly ridge
#

who do i talk to to unlock the sword hidden aspect

rustic vale
#

Nyx

sly ridge
#

thank you

twilit lodge
#

Charming Theseus as heā€™s doing his call is gaming

#

Idk if it even damages him but still funny to see all the circles under him

dusky cypress
#

why does doing a treasure trove for gems also grant me a nectar???

latent moon
#

it's a rare occurrence lol

dusky cypress
#

is that ever explained lol its happened twice now so I'm fairly certain

latent moon
#

damn that's pretty lucky

dusky cypress
#

really? I've gotten it twice and I think I've only done ttrove for gems twice now (probably wrong, but still)

latent moon
#

it's not guaranteed at all it's some % chance

dusky cypress
#

well the first time I was kind of forced to notice because that random chance also gave me +30 health from an epic vintage wines boon lol

latent moon
#

the poseidon boon where it gives you a bunch of random resources has a chance to drop a diamond too lol

twilit lodge
#

Daddy

latent moon
#

what

#

why would you say that

twilit lodge
#

Poseidon

#

Heā€™s daddy

#

This is extremely obvious I donā€™t know why youā€™re asking

latent moon
lean timber
#

posideon is like

#

the least sexually attractive god

#

far too brash

dusky cypress
#

well I was right that is extremely efficient

#

take like 3-10 damage when the thwomps skull-crushers are following you so that they slam over lava and they'll take like 300 damage from that or smthn

latent moon
twilit lodge
dusky cypress
#

yeah but also sometimes my build is just way crappier than anything I'd want to use

#

e.g. using shield rn and got a daedalus hammer but my options provided were "faster shield charge" or "+400% damage to shields on bull rush" which is neat, but minotaur says "can you time this well? ok have a permanent +500% on every charge if you can make this consistent"

twilit lodge
#

Just spam dash strikes ez clap

dusky cypress
#

eww dash strikes

#

I know they're there and obv meant to be quite important but I forget about them so frickin' often

#

spears good just because it gives you something more AoE w/o having to spend a solid 2 seconds charging + recovering from a spin attack

#

wow I'm really glad I didn't take the "faster bull rush charge" earlier in asphodel/tartarus (I think it was in tartarus???) because the hammer in elysium didn't give me an option for minotaur rush LOL

acoustic bolt
#

which shield are you usin g

hard viper
#

OMG

#

i just won against hades with no defiances left and 13 hp

#

that was close

acoustic bolt
#

nice

twilit lodge
#

Not even close dad

acoustic bolt
# dusky cypress eww dash strikes

i think the only weapon where standing strikes is the best way to deal damage is arthur? and even then you have to dash to make the swings faster

#

i guess fists do some amount of standing strikes but you gotta zip around in between small combos or you pause in between

rustic vale
#

I think

rustic vale
rustic vale
latent moon
#

so not completely necessary for shield tbh

dusky cypress
#

I'll learn the game without it

dusky cypress
hard viper
#

I've never had a dps over over 200 per second until this run, where I had over 500 per second

dusky cypress
#

p sure I had close to 1000 dps w/ fast shield charge + minotaur rush lol

hard viper
#

the downside was that it was terrible in terms of special which is my main attack for shield

twilit lodge
#

Hera Gun bouldy f10

acoustic bolt
#

bow or hestia?

hard viper
#

anyone got tips for bow? I've got the hang of every other weapon but I still can't clear with bow even with no heat

twilit lodge
#

Dash strike

acoustic bolt
#

dash-strikes charge faster than standing attacks

twilit lodge
#

(Detecting a theme here?)

hard viper
#

still dont know to dash strike with bow well

twilit lodge
#

On controller itā€™s easy

lean timber
#

with your controller buttons.

hard viper
lean timber
#

L

#

huge L

twilit lodge
#

Get gamepad

hard viper
#

do not own controller except a wiimote from 2008

lean timber
#

lo

twilit lodge
#

Not very gaming

hard viper
#

pc superiority

#

emulator good, console bad

twilit lodge
#

Well for bow you dash and press and hold attack

acoustic bolt
#

i'm on pc i don't understand the issue

twilit lodge
#

To dash into a quick charge

acoustic bolt
#

i use a controller

#

although a few people here will swear by kbm

twilit lodge
#

Unlike most of the other weps where itā€™s easiest to press dash and attakc at the same time

hard viper
#

i think I have a ps3 controller laying around, would that work for a computer? I've never actually used a controller with a computer before lol

twilit lodge
#

Not without weird drivers probably

#

Unless things have changed

hard viper
#

wiimote hades it is then

twilit lodge
#

Ps4 way easy to use on a computer tho

acoustic bolt
#

i use an xbox controller

#

enjoyed switch pro too

latent moon
twilit lodge
#

I liked my switch procon until it started drifting

dusky cypress
#

also I'm willing to bet there's probably a daedalus improvement to the bow that makes clears easy (not minotaur-rush easy, but still)

latent moon
#

i play on kbm and i have no issue with dash striking

acoustic bolt
#

this is fascinating because minotaur-rush is terrible

high island
#

Just dash and then hold Attack for the charge.

twilit lodge
high island
#

Finding the timing for consistent power shots is just practice. You just need to find the rhythm for it.

twilit lodge
hard viper
acoustic bolt
#

most people would consider the most broken shield hammers to be charged shot, sudden rush, and ferocious guard? maybe explosive?

twilit lodge
#

Bought mine second hand, special edition monster hunter rise one

dusky cypress
#

? I thought it was a bug but maybe not now?

twilit lodge
#

Then I broke it while smacking it during a drift episode

dusky cypress
#

are you not supposed to be able to get money from purging heroic/epic boons you got from rare crop?

twilit lodge
#

Absolutely kyled out on it

latent moon
lean timber
twilit lodge
#

Voice control hades

hard viper
#

is ambrosia delight or pom porridge better to get from eurydice?

twilit lodge
#

Depends

acoustic bolt
lean timber
#

that is wildly dependent on what you have and what your build is

latent moon
#

9/10 times

twilit lodge
#

I feel like rare crop boons might actually not sell for normal price

latent moon
#

mainly because chaos and hermes' rarities are really important

twilit lodge
#

But also Dan might be under a chaos curse

hard viper
#

I dont plan on using specific builds until I reach the double digit heat

latent moon
#

might be good to start building habits

hard viper
#

I guess so

#

where should I start as a shield/spear main?

acoustic bolt
latent moon
#

yeah that

twilit lodge
#

Dash strike

#

Ignore your special

#

Put a boon on it that gives duos you want

hard viper
#

shield special seems good though

acoustic bolt
#

that's basically how i learned the game and then branched out from chatting here

#

there are four shields what are you actually talking about lol

latent moon
acoustic bolt
#

zeus shield has a good special, the rest might as well not exist

twilit lodge
#

I assume he means zag for both

hard viper
dusky cypress
#

once people know what they're doing they p much always buy the diamond/titan blood at the final charon shop, right?

acoustic bolt
#

not really

latent moon
#

getting 1k or 1.2k gold requires saving up for the majority of the run, so it generally never happens

twilit lodge
#

Itā€™s unusual to end up with enough money to

latent moon
#

i've only ever bought one of those like once

acoustic bolt
#

it's ludicrously expensive for not really that big of a bonus. you get plenty of blood just going up in heat

#

yeah i've definitely bought it less than 5 times

twilit lodge
#

Unless the game is just handing you a good build, youā€™re gonna end up spending most of your gold along the way

dusky cypress
#

really? I've been doing that for most of my runs and still winning... will probably change once I get to 20 heat and they no longer have any use, but still lol

latent moon
#

i mean you can still ofc win

#

it's just needless to save for 1k/1.2k for that

#

buying poms, boons, and hp is going to actually help you win the run

acoustic bolt
#

i miss feeling that confident

#

why did i ever go up to 35

latent moon
#

i mean you are going up 1 by 1 lmao the only way for you to not go that high is either to stop playing or repeat heats

hard viper
#

once you clear 50 heat with each weapon, do you beat the game?

latent moon
#

technically no since the game goes on forever

acoustic bolt
#

i think the highest reward is 32

latent moon
#

but it is a good accomplishment

latent moon
#

there's no reward for 21-31 tho lmao

high island
#

The final boss is waiting at 64 Heat.

latent moon
#

true

twilit lodge
#

No bounties from 21-31?

acoustic bolt
#

bounties stop at 20

twilit lodge
#

Iā€™ve been wondering about that

latent moon
#

bounties stop at 20

twilit lodge
#

Gotcha

acoustic bolt
#

you do get a bunch of darkness

high island
#

25 in Hell mode.

acoustic bolt
#

although i have almost 400 runs and i'm not even close to 100k darkness which is how much you need for

#

i don't relaly know what. like a title or something

latent moon
#

total is like 325k lmao

twilit lodge
#

I thought darkness rewards didnā€™t go up for heat

acoustic bolt
#

XD

latent moon
twilit lodge
#

Or is it different at 21-31

acoustic bolt
#

they don't but once bounties stop they drop darkness instead

latent moon
#

you just get darkness as a reward because you can't get anything else

twilit lodge
#

Ah

acoustic bolt
#

it's always the same amount

twilit lodge
#

So thereā€™s essentially no purpose in playing 21-31 heat

latent moon
#

technically no

twilit lodge
#

Over playing 0

hard viper
#

any use for darkness after maxing the mirror? I'm less than 1000 away from doing so

latent moon
#

but there's also technically no point in playing any heat above 32 right

acoustic bolt
latent moon
#

true just speedrun

#

or just jump to 40/45/50

twilit lodge
#

I mean thereā€™s technically no point in playing the game

acoustic bolt
latent moon
#

can't beat 35? do 40 isntead

latent moon
#

if you want to play between heats 21-31 because it's fun then go ahead

twilit lodge
acoustic bolt
#

why would 40 be any easier than 35

latent moon
#

if you dont think you can jump to 32, then go in between

latent moon
acoustic bolt
#

ok but 40 is still harder than 35

latent moon
#

oh definitely

acoustic bolt
#

and i can't win 35 fists so i'm not sure how that helps :p

hard viper
latent moon
#

jump to 40 so you dont have to suffer the pain of 35-39 lmao

twilit lodge
latent moon
#

just suffer the pain of 40

acoustic bolt
#

well similar to how @dusky cypress is artificially making the game harder by not using dash strikes, i'm finding enjoyment in the accomplishment of climbing one at a time

#

even if i witch and moan

latent moon
#

lmao fair

acoustic bolt
#

witch with a b because apparently there's a swear jar XD

latent moon
#

bewitched

acoustic bolt
#

bewitched and moaned

latent moon
#

instead of climbing heat you could speedrun lmao

acoustic bolt
#

it's like a porn parody of bewitched

latent moon
#

lmfao

high island
#

Keep it clean. dusa

dusky cypress
#

I mean I'll use them but its mostly if something sorta stupid (like the daedalus hammers) prompts me to care about dash strikes

#

or to keep up the chill on asterius or smthn idk

twilit lodge
#

Why are hammers stupid

#

I donā€™t understand the thought process lmao

dusky cypress
#

do attack boons affect dash-strike or no?

acoustic bolt
#

they do

#

usually anyway

latent moon
#

bow, sword, fists, spear, and shield cares about dash strikes bouldy

twilit lodge
#

Attack boons do, hammers typically need to specify dash strike to affect dash strikes

latent moon
acoustic bolt
#

can you help me envision how you play without dash strikes. do you dash and then wait to stop before pressing a button?

latent moon
#

ngl you probably already do dash strike but don't realize it

acoustic bolt
#

from a purely academic point of view i'm trying to figure out how it's done practically

#

no shade for real

twilit lodge
#

Man just walks everywhere

#

Dodging is cheap

acoustic bolt
#

doesn't even avoid attacks just like walks in exactly the correct spot to not get hit

latent moon
#

no dash speedrun

twilit lodge
#

Worth noting that if I recall correctly heā€™s getting clear times of 50 minutes

#

Heat runs arenā€™t gonna let ya do that tho

acoustic bolt
#

that sounds agonizing

dusky cypress
#

idk what you mean academically

acoustic bolt
#

my adhd wouldn't let me do that

dusky cypress
#

you can tell me that its objectively inferior, and I believe you

latent moon
#

looking in #h1-victory-boasting, they sent a screenshot of their records once with the cosmic egg and it was like a 40something minute run lol

acoustic bolt
#

no no i mean mechanically hwo do you do it

dusky cypress
#

I just don't particularly care at the moment

I doubt it'll change in the future either

#

ofc I get unintended dash-attacks (and damage is still damage)

latent moon
#

i mean sure that's fine, but how do you do that because this game inherently wants you to dash a lot so do you just... not dash a lot?

lean timber
#

what's dashing

acoustic bolt
#

i would love to see a video. i'm seriously not trying to convince you of anything i just want to see it because it's like telling me that you're driving your car from the passenger seat

dusky cypress
#

p sure I'm also losing time by AFKing in rooms to ask questions or do something else w/o pausing/bringing up the menu w/ the escape key

acoustic bolt
#

i just want to see how it works

twilit lodge
#

Just casually walk away from every attack

lean timber
#

fo0 you almost can

acoustic bolt
#

you can definitely tank most of the game for a while yeah

#

god can i please find a duo. i found curse of longing on a drunken fists run because i was looking for the two dio duos

latent moon
#

curse of longing based

dusky cypress
#

I mean tbf "nyxs help" includes contacting olympus and ultimately being responsible for the boons but this is still deeply funny to me

acoustic bolt
#

hades likes to say the same sort of stuff

dusky cypress
#

also on the dash-strike thing sometimes I really want to stay in the same place/not accidentally run into that stupid pool of rat-poison and take 8-30 damage for what feels like no reason

acoustic bolt
#

wait using a standing attack for a second is a far cry from refusing to dash strike except by accident

twilit lodge
#

Are you aware of the antidote fountains in those rooms?

acoustic bolt
#

hades like to say "if it wasn't for my pesky family i'd have gotten away with it"

twilit lodge
#

He does

acoustic bolt
#

i do wonder if nyx's mirror actually just helped him access his latent power as a god of blood rather than actually giving zagreus any real power

twilit lodge
#

Someone comments that he has become more in tune with the darkness of the underworld

latent moon
twilit lodge
#

So if the source of darkness is nyx

latent moon
dusky cypress
twilit lodge
#

Her mirror is a way to channel all that unspecified power into abilities

latent moon
acoustic bolt
#

i donno poseidon is the god of the sea but that doesn't mean he is the source of the sea

twilit lodge
#

If you dash to the fountain it could be 1-3 dmg

dusky cypress
#

did I say I refuse to dash-strike? I just feel like the "dash strike constantly so you charge faster", while definitely helpful just feels weird

#

or that I refuse to dash

safe tinsel
acoustic bolt
#

exactly

dusky cypress
#

which is what literally everyone responding to this "dash-striking is weird/sort of useless" comment seems to say

safe tinsel
#

Lol

twilit lodge
#

Dyno moment

dusky cypress
#

ffs

#

dang
(fy stupid bot)

court music section seems like a lot of diamonds (yes I know its nothing compared to doing e.g. 20+ heat runs w/ each weapon, but still)

twilit lodge
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It is a lot

high island
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The bot is just doing what the devs want it to do. squirtnya

twilit lodge
latent moon
dusky cypress
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I mean

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I'm gonna run out of stuff to use diamonds on v soon aren't I

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also I'm already playing something akin to animal crossing every time I return from a run w/ the unending list of renovations? (there's probably plenty of people who ignore this anyways and I'm not surprised, but I still think its kind of charming)

latent moon
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and also various contractor upgrades that i'm not sure if you've seen yet

dusky cypress
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yeah but doesn't titan blood also run out soon after diamonds are useless

latent moon
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considering you're still somewhat early in the game, it should be a long while

vital tapir
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titan blood takes a long time yea

acoustic bolt
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eww dash strikes, i get that they're really important but i forget about htem all the time, i'll learn the game without them, and i'll only use them if a hammer or something else makes me, i get unintended dash-attacks (indicating that you don't normally intend them) i guess meant something else.

don't get me wrong, i quit trying to convince you that they're worth using basically immediately. i just want to see what gameplay looks like without it because it seems extremely difficult and sluggish and i want to see how you make it work. maybe learn something.

lean timber
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titan blood is an infinite resource, but it doesn't feel like it

vital tapir
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it takes like 300 titan blood to max out all aspects

lean timber
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324 i think? or something?

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whatever, around 300 yeah

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it's a long way to the top ig

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i still don't have talos maxed