h1-discussion

[warm nimbus]

i get why ri0 to ri1 is bad lol

[devout terrace]

RI1 AP2 is always done on aspects that could do much better with AP2 RI0

because of DC0

sometimes you have to RI2 AP2

so you lower JS to 1

and that makes the run a lot easier

[warm nimbus]

wtf that sounds terrible

js3 seems way better than ri2

[devout terrace]

Its only 50hp

and keep in mind you only have to do RI2 AP2 for a handful of aspects

[warm nimbus]

50 hp a lot in tart tho

[devout terrace]

like arthur/hestia/zag bow for example

and those aspects are safe

[warm nimbus]

idk

what do you think about ri1 ap1 for eris

[devout terrace]

I wouldnt

[warm nimbus]

but i feel like its a reasonable pact

[signal aspen]

Em4 better

[warm nimbus]

my reasoning goes
ri2 bad because tart hurt
ap2 bad because you need boons
em4 bad because em4

so why not do ri1 ap1

[twilit lodge]

Aww dad comments on mom trinket

Dad spamming adds when I’m using Chiron

[foggy lark]

Yeah that's annoying w/ Chiron. I love Chiron otherwise.

Bad for spread out enemies though.

[rustic vale]

Ez just don’t use chiron

Won’t have problems then

[twilit lodge]

🧠

[rustic vale]

I’m being 75% serious

Perhaps even 80% serious

[signal aspen]

Hello fellow chiron haters

[rustic vale]

I don’t hate chiron I just like every other bow aspect 100000000000% more

[twilit lodge]

Guan yu? How about guan me, buddy

[rustic vale]

Lies

[signal aspen]

Guan yu goated

[rustic vale]

Truths

[patent mesa]

average underdrive fan

[latent moon]

Guan Yu is based I'm just bad

[twilit lodge]

Ayye you can quit and choose a different door if you open the wrong one

Saved me from a cursed run just now

[foggy lark]

I tend to do better w/ Chiron but maybe it's not great at higher heat or for speed runs? Hera is also good.

[signal aspen]

Yeah it falls off at high heats and speedruns

[latent moon]

Chiron is fun to play casually

[swift inlet]

Just phase him so the adds die

[swift inlet]

Based but support fire chiron is super funny

[rustic vale]

support fire has an internal cooldown... I think

[twilit lodge]

Don’t think so

Or if it does it’s v short

[swift inlet]

It isn't as bad as zeus if it does

[twilit lodge]

Even without Chiron you can support fire bow special point blank and see the brrrrr

[swift inlet]

Not as fun

I have a very funny chiron run saved

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1017459454016487444/1018844219856666715/unknown.png

Splitting bolt, smair, low tolerance, double strike, support fire, zeus dash = funny vfx go brrrrrr

[foggy lark]

Haha.

[swift inlet]

Smair low key didn't do that much bc hangover + the other damage sources would charge call in less than 5 seconds anyway

[latent moon]

Point blank specials are pretty risky considering how long it takes to actually fire your special

Chiron specials are faster than others besides rama because it has less arrows

[latent moon]

I've only ever had 1 Chiron build that could phase dad that well

And it'll never happen again

[swift inlet]

Chiron specials have the benefit of range yep

[swift inlet]

1: what was it
2: pretty sure even with this one it took a few seconds, but I had another with Artemis special + chaos boosts that obliterated him

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1010047187780120616/unknown.png

High special % and splitting headache

And conc volley

And rd

And ps I suppose

[swift inlet]

How much does conc volley boost by anyway

Like, 4 extra arrows seems like it'd be better but idk the exact values

[latent moon]

Shackle had a spreadsheet that did the damage

[swift inlet]

Link/screen where

Actually I could probably just use damage bar to find out

[latent moon]

Idk where it is

[warm nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1022655163019825233/unknown.png

this seems right

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[warm nimbus]

thats relentless conc relentless+conc

so thats why you start conc

[latent moon]

Relentless is only good if you have like a lvl 1 or 2 Chiron bow

[swift inlet]

Wait, how does the +3 damage boost work

[latent moon]

Each arrow does +3 from the previous

[swift inlet]

10, 13, 16, 19, oh-

It's building

[rustic vale]

way more

I have a spreadsheet give me a second

[swift inlet]

I was confused for a minute because my brain didn't think of the stacking

Monkey brain thought 8 shots x 3 damage boost to get 24

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/989610739721441330/chiron_bow_spread_sheet.png

[swift inlet]

And not what is apparently 108

[rustic vale]

it's 164 vs 120

[swift inlet]

Ah

[rustic vale]

with both its 318

[swift inlet]

Imagine if they extended it to include 3 volleys

Since one chiron target gives you time to special 3 times

[rustic vale]

well...

[swift inlet]

What would the boost on that be

[rustic vale]

with epic swift flourish...

[swift inlet]

Knowing hermes it probably doesn't help dash specials

[rustic vale]

you can not only get 4 volleys in... it's fast enough that they chain

[rustic vale]

dash specials are only on fist

[swift inlet]

Well he doesn't help dash strikes on bow

Rude mf

[rustic vale]

yes but there literally isn't a dash special on anything other than fist and maybe shield with dashing flight if you count that

Anyways with epic swift flourish you can get 4 volleys in that keep the concentrated chain going between them

[swift inlet]

But like

Does it actually work like that

I was just saying it would be cool if it did, assuming it didn't

[rustic vale]

does what actually work like what

does chiron with concentrated and epic swift flourish actually keep the concentrated chain going between volleys? yes!

[swift inlet]

Separate chiron volleys stacking conc volley

[rustic vale]

only with epic swift flourish

[swift inlet]

Holy chiron

[rustic vale]

or heroic swift flourish

[swift inlet]

So without either it just resets back to 10 at the start of each volley?

[signal aspen]

I think so

[swift inlet]

Sad

Eury high roll for the chiron build of all time

[rustic vale]

but if you get all 4 volleys in with concentrated and epic swift flourish you should be doing 1798 base damage if I did my math right

[signal aspen]

I haven't played chiron in over 4 or 5 months so idk if it actually resets or not

[rustic vale]

and if you do the same but also have relentless volley you should be doing 3713 base damage if I did my math right

I know it resets but epic swift flourish makes your specials fast enough to keep the chain going

without reseting

[swift inlet]

Holy moly

Speedrun highroll

[signal aspen]

https://youtu.be/12c6o7wXwDA

[swift inlet]

Heart rend art special conc+relentless + epic rd

You need both hammers + 3 hermes

[rustic vale]

in total not per arrow*

[swift inlet]

Yes I know

[rustic vale]

in total not per arrow*

[rustic vale]

🔫 I needed to make sure I was clear

[swift inlet]

Instructions unclear, I didn't instaphase with 1 arrow

Reported

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

clear skill issue

[swift inlet]

Oops I see the issue now

I wasn't using rama

[swift inlet]

What's with the stuff in this game that advertises itself so awfully

Sigil and guan yu especially

[patent mesa]

for gy I kinda get it

lifesteal is flashiest part and I bet devs assumed it would also be strongest part

but yeah gy only advertising lifesteal and not megacracked special hurts general perception of it sooo much

[swift inlet]

It just says explosive special but like

[warm nimbus]

bruh cvolley is explained perfectly fine lol

[patent mesa]

yeah I fixated on lifesteal as a new player

[swift inlet]

Every other thing sounds way better because they actually tell you what the effects are

[snow skiff]

Special is only megacracked with ckewer

No ckewer gy is ☠️

[patent mesa]

fine

megacracked vs vanilla special

[swift inlet]

No, I'm just looking through stuff and realizing how bad the information can be lmao

[patent mesa]

recall ☠️☠️

[warm nimbus]

wait

[snow skiff]

Is gy standard attack slower than standard spear attack

[warm nimbus]

isnt the whole point of gy to lifesteal?

[snow skiff]

Or have i been corrupted by too much flurry jab

[warm nimbus]

the special seems useless, its only a spammable 45 base damage attack with super wide aoe that goes way past its visuals

[warm nimbus]

idk i cant really tell

[patent mesa]

it does explicitly say that gy attack is "heavy"

[lean timber]

first hit is identical to normal spear, 2nd and 3rd hits are extremely slow almost as bad as arthur

[patent mesa]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/1022668614937088031/image0.jpg what

[swift inlet]

I really wish they didn't make every hidden aspect but lucifer slow fat moveset

Honestly

Hot take talos would be a better hidden aspect than gilgamesh

Shut up matty don't make me get a sub7 hera

[patent mesa]

wait third hit of gy attack combo is 100 damage?

that seems absurdly high

[lean timber]

have you guys literally never played with guan yu

it's arthur levels of power

[patent mesa]

I've never tried to standing strike

[swift inlet]

you shouldn't

standing strike is gross

[lean timber]

don't talk to me

[swift inlet]

He just

Hops

He hops in place

[patent mesa]

but 100d

that's a max hellfire

[swift inlet]

wtf is a min hellfire

[patent mesa]

I think it's like 50

if only I could do h!a lucifer 1 in here

but sgg won't respond to my email

[snow skiff]

Spent spirit is old aphro athena duo

[patent mesa]

same effect?

[snow skiff]

No

It did what calc risk does now

[patent mesa]

bruh

[lean timber]

awesome.

need tbh

[patent mesa]

I would unironically prefer calc risk over parting shot

since most my runs force aphro athena

[lean timber]

even on hera

i would take calc risk

parting shot is awesome tho

[swift inlet]

what would you do that for

[patent mesa]

yeah calc risk is underrated imo

[swift inlet]

Is that like heat arthur or something

[patent mesa]

it's pretty nice

[signal aspen]

But parting shot makes your attacks backstab without shadow presence except they don't deal the extra damage

[swift inlet]

calc risk is super good when heat is involved

[lean timber]

yeah it's epic

[patent mesa]

idk stuff like gy hesty arthur

esp gy tbh

[swift inlet]

You only need that for heat

[patent mesa]

but I'm a ddash slave

[signal aspen]

I remember dashing into a skull because I thought it would be faster with calc risk

[swift inlet]

I just don't use dash

Also

I just remembered

[patent mesa]

secret zshield main??

[lean timber]

aphro athena? why would you use the two most powerful and useful gods

[patent mesa]

wdym aphro

EDTTOAAMO

[swift inlet]

Aphro is weird

[lean timber]

enough. d

[swift inlet]

Speedrun like her for big number

And smair very nice

otherwise she doesn't do much

[patent mesa]

smair sucks, nerfs arty call

[lean timber]

erm? weak? highest % multiplier?

[signal aspen]

Buffs ares call tho

[swift inlet]

Weak lame simply chill them

You don't need damage reduction if you don't get hit 🧠

In other news

[patent mesa]

hypnos is 100% an aphro hater

[swift inlet]

I had an eris pb the other day and clockets did less damage than tdash to heroes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1022583080466255962/unknown-170.png?width=1202&height=676

[patent mesa]

lmao

truly a splashdash moment

[swift inlet]

Nah fr it was nasty

[twilit lodge]

Meg with the layup tho

[warm nimbus]

yeah but it takes forever so its worse lol

[warm nimbus]

zshield main

[swift inlet]

Bruh

I'm doing a run just to rank keepsakes for the 100%

Ixion well next to a chaos gate

[reef glen]

I finally got blizzard shot, wasn't as good as it was hyped up to be on Reddit

[terse geyser]

buffs billowing strength though

[lean timber]

it's pretty strong but it's not phenomenal

absolutely crushes styx at least

[swift inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699090167788470284/1022681173358555206/unknown.png

Funny safe chiron build

Sobbing in no heroic swift flourish

[rustic vale]

Rare crop can’t hit hermes boons

From what I’ve been told

[swift inlet]

sad

[lean timber]

rare crop cannot, refreshing nectar can

or more specifically they didn't bother to give it an exception because for standard play it's unlikely to have any before eurydice

[snow skiff]

Pretty lame if there was no way to get heroic hermes

[latent moon]

Heroic sure footing is so based

7.5 damage pots on HS idk if it rounds down or up

[lean timber]

80% faster casting mmm

blizzard stocks jump to new highs

[latent moon]

I love holding down the cast button instead of spamming it

[swift inlet]

I'm ranking keepsakes but

Damn

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1022691175750176809/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

[twilit lodge]

That’s hella cute

[swift inlet]

keepsake run lmao

[latent moon]

Is that hesty lmao

Absolutely based

[swift inlet]

Yes

[raw herald]

Me when the

[swift inlet]

The whole point of this run is to rank keepsakes

[twilit lodge]

🧠

[swift inlet]

[lean timber]

insane intelligence from this one

[swift inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1022692129476198450/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

Classic hermes

[lean timber]

incredible. absolutely phenomenal draws

[latent moon]

Yo that's almost the dodge chance from zag fists

Best boon in the game right there

Basically 2 aspects combined

[grand fox]

gigachad hermes

i have question regarding keepsake

i have that bond thimgy with charon

what does that m e a n

[rustic vale]

It’s legit just a chibi

[warm nimbus]

its just cosmetic

[grand fox]

this game explains nothing

[warm nimbus]

means you maxed out your relationship with him

[rustic vale]

Lies

[grand fox]

how do i get the chibi

[warm nimbus]

doesnt affect functionality of anything

[lean timber]

YOU HAVE IT

[warm nimbus]

thats what the bond is

[lean timber]

IT CANE FREE WITH YOUR F

AMBROSIA

[rustic vale]

There is an animation when you hit max bond with the person

Were you just not paying attention to the game

[warm nimbus]

its the tiny icon on the keepsake

[grand fox]

is it just the icon

ok

[warm nimbus]

yeah

[grand fox]

p much yeah

this happens a lot

[rustic vale]

Just like me fr

Except I already know everything about the game

[grand fox]

i got like 2 layers into the contract before i unlocked aspects

I'm not smart

[latent moon]

When you finish a bond you sorta finish their story line
I say sorta because I don't remember what ares' favor is but you have to hook him up with Nyx or something at some point and I'm pretty sure that's not needed for bonds

[grand fox]

i did save-scumming to try the gun out but it doesn't unlock aspects immediately so when i decided I didn't like it and went back i didn't unlock it again for ages and could not figure out why i didn't have aspects

🧠

[warm nimbus]

bruhh

[rustic vale]

I should try talos heavy knuckle

[latent moon]

been there done that

not fun

heavy knuckle is just

[rustic vale]

heavy knuckle is just worst spreadfire zag ik

But I want to do something interesting with fists

[latent moon]

you can do arty strike aphro dash for heart rend and pull a retrash i guess

my guess is the best way to go around heavy knuckle talos is just get your 3 hits in, and dash out

maybe conc knuckle might be good if you dont dstrike lol

[rustic vale]

Heavy knuckle plus concentrated is like

40, 45, 50

Would probably like long knuckle or breaching cross or something instead

[latent moon]

i mean

yeah those are probably a lot better lmfao

[rustic vale]

Or maybe I could try for another special only sword run idk what to do

[latent moon]

do heavy knuckle talos

do what i couldn't

i died twice to heroes, once to dad, was about to die again, then hit give up because i wanted to save epic atk and c1 chaos lmfao

seeded run gaming

he already did it with super and double nova

dash nova actively harms you lmao

[rustic vale]

I’m not trying to torture myself here

I do fun things like flurry fire swift strike pos attack zag rail which definitely aren’t a pain to use

dash nova is where I draw the line

[grand fox]

do you speak english sir

[warm nimbus]

heart rend = heart rend

retrash = good

[grand fox]

what about playing with shackle at least partially active the entire run

but without shackle

[swift inlet]

retrash orz

tailesque orz

[grand fox]

what's beo

i need to play this game more, I don't remember any of the names

mkay

[rustic vale]

I play with shackle active the whole run on every aspect

[grand fox]

nice

[rustic vale]

L

[grand fox]

i just noticed your name

[swift inlet]

I don't remember who this used to be

[grand fox]

shackle is fun

i need to level it

[rustic vale]

Who who used to be?

[grand fox]

1* is already pretty big innit

[latent moon]

I still need to do shackle beo at 40 heat

[grand fox]

like 50%

[rustic vale]

I think I was shackle bestest keepsake before you were born

[latent moon]

Ranks are 50 75 100

[grand fox]

anyways pierced butterfly is best keepsake fite me

[rustic vale]

Sure

Pierced butterfly is negligible damage %

[latent moon]

Butterfly sucks lmao

[rustic vale]

it sucks

[grand fox]

yes

[rustic vale]

[grand fox]

the point is you get it to like 70% by hades

[latent moon]

imagine not having control of your build

[latent moon]

could literally run shackle and have a higher %

[grand fox]

imagine being good at hades

couldn't be me

[rustic vale]

Or you could have +100% from shackle or you could have an actually well functioning thought out build idk man your choice

[latent moon]

thing is, you always want to take a gods' keepsake into tart and aspho, and taking butterfly into ely isnt worth the bonus at that point
you can make a case for some builds where you can start aspho with butterfly, but asphodel is literally 4 chambers lmao

[grand fox]

i just take what i get and try to win with pure skill

[latent moon]

i mean you can win with anything with enough skill

[rustic vale]

Knowing what to build is a skill

[latent moon]

it's just how easy you want to make it for yourself

also

[rustic vale]

64*

[latent moon]

retrash's builds are so horrid but he can clear at what 50 or whatever lmao

i haven't watched any of his runs but they exist

[grand fox]

i beat transistor without using turn() until the last boss and i beat bastion with multiple idols whilst forgor shield, i can take hades without paying attention to builds

[latent moon]

i mean we never said it wasn't possible to beat hades

we just said it's bad

[rustic vale]

Idk I think watching things die fast is fun

rather than

Not

[latent moon]

there's a difference between something working and something being bad

[rustic vale]

[grand fox]

what

isn't fists the big risky dps

[latent moon]

like yeah sure, you can run tempest strike talos and beat, let's say, 20 heat, but that doesn't mean it's good

[rustic vale]

fist is not the big risky dps

[grand fox]

w h aat

[rustic vale]

fists is the big risky no dps

[latent moon]

it was an example

[grand fox]

just run aspectless fists on max heat

[latent moon]

fists are cringe tho i agree

[hollow urchin]

so why do some of the random gods blink in the pngs
its only like one or two of them that do it but still creepy when it happens

[rustic vale]

You can take shackle and beat, idk, 32 heat, and that means it’s the best keepsake in the game

[grand fox]

fists are my favorite

[rustic vale]

Lies

[grand fox]

they feel so good to use

[rustic vale]

I love fists

[latent moon]

merciful end moment

[rustic vale]

It’s just they aren’t the best

[grand fox]

what's the best weapon then

[rustic vale]

“Best”

[grand fox]

please don't say rail the rail sucks

[latent moon]

i like the idea of punching the crap out of everything, i just hate all the builds lmao

[grand fox]

ech

bow is cool

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t say any weapon is the “best” sike beowulf

[grand fox]

fists, bow, and sword are fun

[rustic vale]

It’s not op

[latent moon]

rail, shield, bow are top 3, not in any order

[grand fox]

the rest is eh..

[hollow urchin]

i like the fists that suck enemies towards me the most even if its one of the weaker ones

[grand fox]

chiron sucks

[latent moon]

talos

[reef glen]

ive been loving chaos shield

[latent moon]

chaos shield

[grand fox]

magnetic fists is poggers

[rustic vale]

Why did you just randomly say that out of no where tf

[rustic vale]

[reef glen]

I plan on using it most of the time to finish all the prophecies

[grand fox]

he's right

[latent moon]

based

[rustic vale]

It’s probably the worst shield

[rustic vale]

I know but just the topic of bow came up and instantly just “chiron sucks”

Like

[reef glen]

not sure if sarcasm or not

[rustic vale]

Why would you instantly respond like that

[rustic vale]

Is 100% sarcasm

[latent moon]

because chiron sucks

[grand fox]

because Chiron sucks

[reef glen]

new player here. why is chaos shield bad?

[grand fox]

i spent titan blood on chiron, worst mistake ever

[rustic vale]

It’s basically aspectless shield

[grand fox]

idk

[latent moon]

shield special has low base damage and when you throw it you can't block or atk, leaving you very vulnerable when you throw it

[rustic vale]

The multiple specials are useless

[grand fox]

chaos shield funni

[rustic vale]

Zag gives damage and zeus lets you just throw it around autonomously but chaos is just eh

[grand fox]

chaos is absolutely more based than zeus tho

[reef glen]

so then what wep should I work towards just for general runs?

[rustic vale]

The shields that aren’t chaos are way better 👍

[latent moon]

the best hammer for shield is charged shot, and never touch the special
none of what i just said applies to zeus shield tho

[hollow urchin]

ive had the most success with the gun

[rustic vale]

I like every weapon

[grand fox]

s w ord

[rustic vale]

They are all the best weapon

[latent moon]

sword also doodoo

[hollow urchin]

like im on my 7th gun win and only like 1-3 wins on all other weapons :c

[grand fox]

ranged weapons are lowkey cringe

[rustic vale]

Every last one of them

[rustic vale]

Yeah spear and fists are cringe

[grand fox]

i can't figure out how to use the ranged weapons against bosses effectively

[swift inlet]

don't use dio special, use art special

[latent moon]

shield is pretty easy if you get charged shot, zag bow is really easy to use, eris is super busted

[latent moon]

shoot them

[swift inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699090167788470284/1022706254323396608/unknown.png

[hollow urchin]

mainly because the hammer upgrade that gives you 3 bombs is like instant win

tons of range and damage

[grand fox]

but i need to dodge

[latent moon]

then stop shooting and dodge

idk what the issue is

[grand fox]

and ranged attack dash strikes do jack all

[swift inlet]

Pommed it a ton and it still did less than the actual special

[latent moon]

with bow you literally have to dstrike

[swift inlet]

This is the weirdest statement I've ever seen

Rama stocks fall to 0

[grand fox]

with melee i can just fly across the screen and win

[rustic vale]

Rocket bomb and/or cluster bomb >>> triple bonb

[latent moon]

with ranged weapons your projectile can fly across the screen and win

[rustic vale]

Wtf are you smoking

[hollow urchin]

rocket bomb is also amazing

i have yet to get a single run that gave me the cluster bomb :c

[grand fox]

spear with triple attack go h a r d

[rustic vale]

Lemme know your dealer

[hollow urchin]

well i got one run when i randomed on the cerberes rooms anvil

[latent moon]

spear without flurry

[reef glen]

how is eris busted?

[lean timber]

big damage is big

[rustic vale]

+75% damage is good 👍

[latent moon]

at max level you get a 75% global damage boost

[grand fox]

nothing's busted unless you gaming on that stank ass windows 95 puter

[latent moon]

also clockets, cluster bomb and rocket bomb, deals base 400 damage at point blank

[rustic vale]

Literally though dash strikes are the core of using bow and dashing on rail is just free faster firerste

[swift inlet]

Moves to 700 with eris buff

[grand fox]

I'm not very good at this game

[reef glen]

im not looking to do high end runs just yet, just looking to fill out the prophecies and looking for something I can unlock early on just to play with

ive only had the game for a week

[grand fox]

I'm used to blowing things up with a giant musket in bastion this game makes no sense to me

[rustic vale]

Blow up things with spreadfire zag rail the best melee weapon in the game instead

[grand fox]

what the hell does that m e a n

[latent moon]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/xe8DODWgASAxjiWgrBexcx3fF-K8oIpdlmjE2CRbG9g/https/i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire hammer on zagreus aspect for adamant rail(the gun)

[hollow urchin]

+damage boost with a super simple proc requirment

[rustic vale]

is the best melee weapon in the game

[latent moon]

eris is one of the top aspects to invest in so you could do that if you like rail

with bow, hera or zag is great

[grand fox]

why is gun good

gun needs reload

fist no relaod

[latent moon]

gun has range and better room clearance

[rustic vale]

Did you not read anything other than “(the gun)”?

[hollow urchin]

gun ashot meh

gun bomb op op

always be spamming your special

[latent moon]

also with enough practice you can learn to time reloads and reload cancel

[grand fox]

oh

[latent moon]

hestia:
eris:

spreadfire zag:

[rustic vale]

clusterbomb and rockets goes mega hard on all aspects

[latent moon]

luci:

rail is the only weapon that has 4 great aspects

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire zag rail goes mega hard on zagreus rail where extra ammo

[latent moon]

luci

[rustic vale]

Clockets would go hard on luci if possible

[latent moon]

true

[hollow urchin]

i ran out of bloodstuff and havent been able to purchase any of the hidden aspects

and its skellies fault >:C

[rustic vale]

And is the best melee weapon in game

Good attack speed, good damage, good existing 👍

[hollow urchin]

"waste 5 blood on your sword for me uwu"

sure thing skelly!

[latent moon]

rail has the fastest one weapon only speedrun by 4 minutes (rta) so that's like a whole region that's not styx lmao

[grand fox]

so this is about speedruns

[latent moon]

not really

[rustic vale]

Not really

It’s just showing that

They are gud

[reef glen]

so you play eres as meele?

[latent moon]

it just shows that every aspect of rail is good
even so, speedruns showcase how good a weapon can be

[latent moon]

lowkey yeah, gotta let the autoaim do the work

[grand fox]

i probably should not delve into hades meta

[rustic vale]

And zag rail as well

[grand fox]

I'm gonna get my head blown off for heresy

[rustic vale]

You should 👍

Will make you better 👍

Will make your clears faster and more consistent if you know what you are doing

[grand fox]

what do meta mirrors look like

[hollow urchin]

i did
tried out the arthur sword and it was lame

[rustic vale]

I mean mirrors ain’t hard to do but it does change a little based on the aspect

[grand fox]

forget weapon, that's a massive playstyle thing, what do the raw stats say

[latent moon]

What does that even mean

What stats

[grand fox]

m i r ro r

[latent moon]

That's not stats that's just mirror

[swift inlet]

🧠 auto aim at close range then turn it off and spam pause to aimbot long range

[rustic vale]

Weapon determines mirror

[grand fox]

im gonna go back to sucking at bastion

[hollow urchin]

Routine Inspection max rank

fear it

[latent moon]

For the most part tho, it's fiery presence, greater reflex, dark foresight, fated persuasion, cthonic vitality

Idk what else there is

Deep pockets

Thick skin if you're not speedrunning

Boiling blood

[swift inlet]

High confidence if you're not speedrunning because you read the talent name and are highly confident 💪

[grand fox]

i use the one that boosts duo boon rate

[rustic vale]

Most weapons take fiery presence, cthonic vitality, dd till you have to run lc4, greater reflex, boiling blood, infernal soul or stygian is personal preference unless using a castpect, deep pockets, thick skin unless your are confident for runing high confidience, family favourite, dark forssight, gods pride and fated persausion

[lean timber]

legacy is a scam turn it off immediately

you want pride

[grand fox]

what

why

[lean timber]

you heard me

it's a scam

[grand fox]

i get duos every run

it's great

[latent moon]

I've found more duos with pride than legacy

[lean timber]

run pride and see how little that changes

[rustic vale]

Same and I don’t run it

[grand fox]

duos have fun animations

[latent moon]

You can still see them with pride

Maybe even more so because legacy is a scam

[grand fox]

wha

why is legacy a scake

sam

scam

[rustic vale]

I have seen 3 in the same screen before without it

[rustic vale]

It literally just doesn’t do enough

[grand fox]

how is pride not a scam

[rustic vale]

pride is just more benefit

[grand fox]

legacy 4ever

[lean timber]

because it boosts your duo chance that's already pretty high so you don't need the boost. you want epic boons instead, which are harder to get without a boost

[latent moon]

It's not like you can't find duos if you don't take legacy, it's just that not every build actually needs it and you're still somewhat likely to get duos

[rustic vale]

Your boon rarity is more important than a very small increase in the amount of duos and legendaries you see

[lean timber]

i encourage you to try a run without legacy on and see how much better the purple feels

[grand fox]

doesn't duo also boost legendaries

[lean timber]

the purple... consumes us all...

[rustic vale]

You are still very likely to find duos without it is the thing

[lean timber]

don't need em

[grand fox]

I don't feel anything

[latent moon]

No meta build in the game actually revolves around legendaries

If you find it it's nice but not worth using legacy over

[grand fox]

legacy 4ever

[rustic vale]

Wdym every run needs winters harvest or it won’t break speedrun wr

[rustic vale]

Legacy 4never

[reef glen]

what does requires trades mean?

[latent moon]

Lmao I mean it would be faster

[vital tapir]

pride is better because it helps for chamber 0

[latent moon]

Ambrosia can be traded for titan blood

[rustic vale]

Pride 4ever

[latent moon]

Pride 4ever until I'm running beo or have a guaranteed epic atk start and plan on playing merciful end

[grand fox]

gonna trade all my ambrosia away cuz friendship sucks

[latent moon]

Okay buddy

Imagine not having maxed aspects already

[rustic vale]

True

imagine not having like 30+ spare titans blood

Smh

[lean timber]

so true

[grand fox]

I'm not spending thousands of hours on this game i already gave my soul to stellaris

[rustic vale]

Give your soul to hades

[grand fox]

i don't have another

[rustic vale]

Or to me I accept them as a warlock patron

[rustic vale]

Take your soul back from stellaris and give it to hades or me

[lean timber]

what benefits do you provide

[latent moon]

Imagine spending hours to max aspects

[lean timber]

could be me

[rustic vale]

Give me a second I have a list somewhere

[grand fox]

did u forgor that i am b a d

[latent moon]

Maybe take the advice of people better than you and maybe you'll improve lmao

[grand fox]

I've gotten like 4 actually complete runs total

[grand fox]

your advice isn't based enough

i need advice like "force as many chaos gates as possible"

[latent moon]

I mean I would do that

[grand fox]

I'm not sure how or i would every run

[latent moon]

Only time I wouldn't is at high heat

[latent moon]

Buy them from the well

[grand fox]

every time i take egg, i get no chaos gates til elysium

[rustic vale]

I can’t find it at the moment

[vital tapir]

egg doesn’t affect gates i believe

[grand fox]

and every time i do something not egg i get 5 in a row in tart

[latent moon]

Yeah egg doesn't force chaos

[rustic vale]

Makes you not take hp from them

[grand fox]

i know

it's really annoying

[rustic vale]

Doesn’t force one though

[vital tapir]

well true

[latent moon]

Just take all of them

[grand fox]

is chaos boons actually good

[vital tapir]

depends

[rustic vale]

YES

[latent moon]

I'd kill to get at least 3 chaos gates on tart

[latent moon]

If you get the one you want yeah

[rustic vale]

I’d kill for a chaos gate

[lean timber]

Each Encounter Chamber will have a Chaos Gate. Receive 1 Chug Jug now.

[latent moon]

Free room and free buff depending what it is

[rustic vale]

I’d kill matty for a chaos gate

[lean timber]

approved

[grand fox]

yeah kill youeself, at that point you're p much dead lmao

[lean timber]

you have to wr tho or i come back to haunt you

[rustic vale]

?

Untrue

[latent moon]

Can't die if I'm using beo

[rustic vale]

Only if you’re bad

[grand fox]

and i quote

[rustic vale]

Now it’s time for super soaker 2 zag bow boogaloo

[lean timber]

it's 24 hp max

you're fine

[short glen]

If you're good enough you can win the entire game at 1hp. You should mod the game to have 1 max hp even after hearts, it'll be fun.

[rustic vale]

If no flurry fire in tart I’m giving up the run for hera because super soaker hera with pos attack and pos cast sounds funnier

[twilit lodge]

SD becomes 3x more efficient

Why revive at 30% Hp when you can revive at 100% Hp 📈

[short glen]

lkdsfkjsdf

tfw revive 4 times in one battle at 100% hp

stonks 🧠 🧠 🧠 🧠

[vital tapir]

imagine touch of styx being completely useless

[latent moon]

I just realized that touch of Styx makes your well rng worse because it's always an option to be bought unlike kiss of Styx

[rustic vale]

Guess I’m giving up in asphodel

[latent moon]

Based

[rustic vale]

Chain shot explosive shot and sniper shot are all

Not fun

Instead of tempest strike zag bow now it’s going to be tempest strike tidal shot hera

[lean timber]

it's a high chance but not guaranteed

[lean timber]

tidal shot lmao

[rustic vale]

Is first hammer seeded if it’s in asphodel

Like will it be the same

[lean timber]

not unless you play exactly the same up to that point

any change in rng will change it

[rustic vale]

Oh

First hammer in tart

Bad options though

No flurry

[lean timber]

if hammer is c1 or c2 just kill yourself, rng probably won't fix it

[hollow urchin]

whats c1 and c2 mean?

[latent moon]

Chamber 1 chamber 2

[hollow urchin]

ah i usuall get a hammer c5 or so or randomly c1

[rustic vale]

Killing yourself is cringe so

I won’t

[lean timber]

have fun being stuck with your garbage hammers lol

maybe you can get a hammer c33 or something

[hollow urchin]

ill probably start a suicide spree soon just to unlock more of the god quests

apparently i need the stupid god trinket and meet the god many many times to unlock future god dialogue

[rustic vale]

Watch me styx tunnel into a hammer

[lean timber]

i think dad should drop a hammer

[rustic vale]

C(peresphones house) hammer

[hollow urchin]

its hilarious that you get Aphrodite poster in your room

and the narrator is all "hopefully this gives Zagreus a positive boost to his moral" but with a very disappointed tone

for the achievement that is like "take 0 damage for 30 rooms with the than trinket" whats the best weapon for that?

i feel like its the gun

[latent moon]

hestia

specifically

[latent moon]

also it's 30%, depending on your keepsake level it'll be easier

1%, 1.5%, 2%

[hollow urchin]

mines at max because i forgot to take it off

[latent moon]

so 15 encounters

[hollow urchin]

took damage in every room so i never heard it do the ping

[latent moon]

based

hestia rail should be easy if you take your time

assuming hestia is at a good level

[hollow urchin]

level 0 ._.

havent gotten much blood :c

so max out hestia and spam reloads to oneshot a ton of early game enemies from range

[latent moon]

i'd say lvl 3 hesty is good enough if you want it asap

but pretty much yeah

[hollow urchin]

nah not a priority

just was curious about it

[latent moon]

aphrodite atk since she has largest modifier

chaos you want dstrike and atk bonuses

although special buff isn't bad either

[hollow urchin]

unrelated but Artermis is best girl

[latent moon]

make sure to use fiery presence, and since you dont want to get hit i'd use high confidence too

and with fiery presence you can get first atk bonus from chaos

[latent moon]

true

[hollow urchin]

her nerdy bashful fluttery tone when i gift her the goo is cute

[lean timber]

we knew that

the goo???? whar???

[hollow urchin]

yellow goo

i dunno the name

[lean timber]

nectar.

[hollow urchin]

ye

[lean timber]

[hollow urchin]

a cute quote she had was "oh the other day i was frolicking and i yelled your name to all of my friends is that weird?"

[latent moon]

i dont remember seeing that one

[hollow urchin]

its not on the wiki which annoys me

[latent moon]

lmao

[grand fox]

is there a modding community for this game

[hollow urchin]

she mentions her frolicking's among her satyr friends or something

[latent moon]

pinned in #self-promotion

[grand fox]

h u h

[latent moon]

wdym "h u h"

are you surprised it exists

[hollow urchin]

checked nexusmods and 99% of the mods were lame "infinite damage items godmode easy unlocks" and other lame things

hope that mod discord has better things

[latent moon]

there's a mod that fuses all aspects of a weapon, the previews look pretty sick

also the speedrunning mod ofc

idk what else there is tho

[hard viper]

the more i play the more I've come to realize I enjoy just about every weapon

except the bow that's still ass no matter what lol;

but ones like the shield and gun which I couldn't use well at the beginning I've come to seriously enjoy playing

[latent moon]

just dash strike and it'll feel better

it's 33% faster than the standing charge

[warm nimbus]

olympus extra and aspect fusion are the only content mods ik of atm

zyru is working on a content mod rn tho and it looks pretty cool so far

[lean timber]

hey guys! did you know that with epic swift strike, standing bow shots become within two frames of the time of a dash strike, which means almost nothing in terms of timing? "dash strike" away!

this fact brought to you by rama gang™️

[warm nimbus]

hey mattyboi (loser arc)! did you know that standing strikes make you get hit? please just dash strike.
this fact brought to you by the dont get hit and positioning = damage gangs

[latent moon]

hey mattyboi (loser arc)! did you now that gods' pride is a scam and you're never gonna get epic swift strike?

[latent moon]

olympus extra is the one with apollo and soon hestia right?

[hard viper]

One time I got this thing where I gained hp whenever I hit something with the sword. Never come across it since but it was OP

[latent moon]

cursed slash moment

[hard viper]

yeah i think that is what it was called

[latent moon]

you also lose 60% of your hp lmao

[warm nimbus]

ye

[hard viper]

already had 175 from good rng with centaur hearts

[warm nimbus]

its also adding bill gates as a god which is an interesting design choice

[hard viper]

and cerberus thing

[latent moon]

please tell me that's not a joke

i would love to see bill gates in this game

[warm nimbus]

i wish it wasnt

thatd be hilarious

[latent moon]

damn

time to go to #mod-request

[warm nimbus]

lmaoo

[hard viper]

Idk if I am getting better at the game or just getting better buffs, but over the last few days I've gone from needing to use 1 revive on meg/first boss to being able to beat it without taking damage most of the time

[warm nimbus]

its both

[twilit lodge]

Lost my streak despite lv10 heroic crystal beam with CC

Oops

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[twilit lodge]

On Achilles

I blame no chaos cast buffs

[hard viper]

makes sense. I'm way more cautious when fighting but I also know which boons are actually good now which makes a difference

The biggest obstacle to making progress in my runs is irl responsibilities

[latent moon]

lmfao it do be like that

simply avoid them

play hades

there is no escape

[twilit lodge]

Play on switch

Sleep mode at a moments notice

[hard viper]

fr though, I've played roguelikes before but this one feels much better than some others

[twilit lodge]

SGG make good game 👍 📈

[hard viper]

My favorite before playing this was Streets of Rogue. Def a good game but feels way more rng dependent compared to Hades instead of skill based, not to mention how good the graphics are

def gonna be playing this for a while

Are there any interesting places to explore that aren't obvious to check? I feel like I've searched everywhere there is to search in the main area

[latent moon]

hades' room, records room, lounge, garden, and the halls

not much else

[hard viper]

how do I get into hades' room and the garden?

[latent moon]

play the game more lol

actually the answer to that is to reach the credits

both of them

[hard viper]

lol I haven't even reached the 4th area yet

[latent moon]

ah welp

[hard viper]

I'm not a god at this game but I do enjoy it a lot

[latent moon]

you'll get there eventually

[hard viper]

not through mistakes but through over 80% of my runs that make it to area 3 I had to suicide because I had to leave the game irl

[lean timber]

you can't just save and quit??

[hard viper]

that's a thing?

[lean timber]

why would you kill yourself

[latent moon]

finish the room and then hit quit

[lean timber]

bruh...

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[latent moon]

if taht doesn't work then get your reward then quit

[lean timber]

how do you fools not know about the pause menu you've gotta be trolling

[twilit lodge]

Suicide prevention hotline tech discovered

[lean timber]

just clear the room or pause as soon as you enter and save your progress

bananas can you believe this. they don't know how to save their game

i will go RESETTI on you all

SAVE YOUR GAME

[latent moon]

isn't there a thing that says "this icon shows when your game saves" or something

[twilit lodge]

Give the guy a break on god

[lean timber]

yeah the laurels in the top right

[lean timber]

no i feel like causing issues

[twilit lodge]

Fair, as you were

[latent moon]

gets muted

[lean timber]

enough. d

[latent moon]

lmfao

[lean timber]

that's such a stellar moment

i'm so glad i got to witness it

nighty night

[latent moon]

have fun

[vital tapir]

wait, game saves? i haven't closed the program once

[patent mesa]

bruh

[reef glen]

I've just always set my steam deck to sleep

[swift inlet]

brawl ptsd

[compact dawn]

Does anyone happen to know what instrument Darren uses for the main riff in Out of Tartarus starting at 0'16"?

Also, curious if anyone else has analysed the metre(s) used in Out of Tartarus. Main riff sounds like 15/8 (2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 3) + 3/4 (2, 2, 2)

[raw herald]

I’ve thought about it too and this is also what I came up with

[compact dawn]

That's reassuring. I assume you're also a musician?

[buoyant harbor]

Now I'm gonna take a listen too. That sounds interesting!

never listened quite that closely

[compact dawn]

The electric guitars coming in at 2:59

https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-oh-yeah-oh-hell-yeah-hell-yes-i-love-it-gif-5681530

[buoyant harbor]

So the main riff sounds like 11/8 (2, 2, 2, 2, 3) to me tbh.

No wait that doesn't line up

It sounds like 11/8, but the 9 comes in just slightly early.

Okay yeah splitting the groups in 3s instead of 2s, it comes out to 15/8 + 3/4 as well.

So essentially a 21/8?

Actually no splitting it in two meters makes more sense, bc then at the end of the riff it's one more 15/8 instead of 3/4.

[compact dawn]

Yeah that's what I was thinking of

But I feel like 15/8 + 3/4 is easier on the eyes

[buoyant harbor]

And after that there's a short section of 12/8 meter (from 1:05 to 1:17) before returning to 15/8.

And another section in regular 4/4 after that..

The meter changes quite often it seems.

[compact dawn]

I'm not really hearing the 12/8 in that section with a cursory listen

I assume you're thinking 12/8 (3,3,3,3)?

[buoyant harbor]

Either 12/8 or 4/4.

Yes.

[compact dawn]

I'm just not feeling the triplet groupings of a 12/8 but I could be wrong

[buoyant harbor]

After grouping the main beats in 3s in the section before that, it feels hard to hear them in 2s again.

But it could just be a regular 4/4.

[compact dawn]

Hmm, I reckon it all comes down to what ends up looking most intuitive on the page

Currently transcribing it all because this is one of my favourite tracks off the OST

Also, Darren often switches between 3/4 and 6/8 for the bars that intervene the 15/8

[buoyant harbor]

Okay I tried to split it again and I think I hear (3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 2) in the aforementioned mid-section.

So basically a more rhythmically interesting 8/8 if you wanna write it in 16ths.

[raw herald]

Yeah

It’s a great track

[compact dawn]

I agree with the 8/8 but the grouping feels like this to me if we're starting on the two powerchords at 1:06: (2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2)

I wonder what music Darren listens to a lot

[buoyant harbor]

Yeah I can see that as well.

I hear 3/3/2 splits quite often bc that's my default strumming pattern, so maybe that's why my brain went there. '^^

[compact dawn]

That's a super common rhythmic grouping plus it's like the default for 8/8 generally so that makes sense

In latin american music, they call it tresillo rhythm but think of it in duple time

[tough patrol]

can you play hades without a mouse?

ye i know

but

i dont have controller

and mouse broke

can i play it with just keyboards

[snow skiff]

Yeah you can

There are some kb only players

Its like clunky controller

[rustic vale]

My fists pb is now hammerless talos and idk how I feel about that

[compact dawn]

Has anyone here cleared an escape attempt (w/o God Mode) without taking damage? I know UnholyPancake has

I'm strongly considering trying for it

[rustic vale]

Why would having god mode on or off even matter for that

you’re still going for hitless either way

The damage reduction won’t matter

[raw herald]

MiKE has, he’s not super active here anymore

That was under 11 minutes

[compact dawn]

Is that all God Mode does? I've never used it

I assumed it was an easy mode or something

[compact dawn]

Gawd damn

[round summit]

Damn, that is such a cool pfp

[rustic vale]

I mean it is taking 20-80% less damage is taking 20-80% less damage

[compact dawn]

Thank you, it is fanart of the The Last of Us Part II made by ImEmFuego. It's based off a poster for Apocalypse Now

[sly ridge]

i have been trying way too long to get a chaos gate

i just wanna unlock beowulf

[sly ridge]

yeah but it doesnt make the game any easier if youre doing a no hit run

[rustic vale]

Literally what I said earlier

[swift inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1022706254323396608/unknown.png?width=1052&height=592

More dio slander but outside of high heat where zeus is less reliable I genuinely don't get the point of dio on anything but call/cast

Yeah, check every well for light of ixion

[terse geyser]

also remember to go down the cool portal when it shows up 👍🏻

[boreal raven]

@snow skiff pay attention

[signal aspen]

Zyruvias has a modded sub 9 hitless I think

[formal sinew]

Question. Can you do it with acorn or no

[swift inlet]

jesus wtf

What's the build

[swift inlet]

No, because 5 whole hits in the last or 2 last bosses is ridiculous

[formal sinew]

Ah ok

So how would you manage hitless

[terse geyser]

by not getting hit.

you can dodge most of the time, right?

so the idea of this challenge is to put forth the extra effort and dodge EVERY time.

[formal sinew]

Yeah I suppose. I can do all of them hitless except hades

[rich gulch]

Hades himself is a cakewalk. Rats on the other hand...

[swift inlet]

What would be the optimal build for that anyway? smair athena call shield?

smair ddash shield ez

[raw herald]

For Hitless, deflect and dodge aren’t allowed

Or block

An ideal build would be rod with all the Zeus and RD and styx shredder

Basically how you build Rama but probably on hestia instead

[swift inlet]

lmao

Unfortunate

[swift inlet]

Why not eris though

Ig you could get clockets hestia

[raw herald]

Unsafe

[compact dawn]

No. There are actually very specific rules for hitless/no damage runs if you want to submit your run to Team Hitless' website. If I remember correctly Athena deflect boons are forbidden and you can't use Calls like Ares' that make you invincible while they're in use

[latent moon]

Eris is a melee weapon

[formal sinew]

Ah ok

[mint coral]

Is using the iframes from any call upon avtivation also forbidden?

[raw herald]

No

[grand fox]

[vale kite]

so true bestie

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/995034079504379944/unknown.png

[rustic vale]

Legacy is a scam https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1022844809855127572/IMG_2211.jpg

[swift inlet]

dang, why not tdash

[rustic vale]

You can get duos without it

Photo evidence 🧠

[swift inlet]

why is fo1 on

[signal aspen]

fo0 sucks

too slow

[rustic vale]

FO2 for hitless 🧠🧠🧠

[rustic vale]

For jolted

[signal aspen]

he did do that

then switched to fo1

[swift inlet]

holy 🧠

[lean timber]

holy crap it's chaos ebooks

my favorite niche internet micro-celebrity

[buoyant harbor]

Assuming you have a dash in your build.

Looks at my own most recent run || #h1-victory-boasting ||

Oh wait yeah I did have a dash there. I just picked it up in the shop right before the end boss. xD

But yeah rats hitless is hard, even with dashes.

[signal aspen]

https://youtu.be/c-S83mFQ8ow?t=1470

must always have a dash

[rustic vale]

I love using Zagreus the shield

[signal aspen]

me too

@devout terrace do you like zagreus the shield

[devout terrace]

No

[signal aspen]

zagcry

[devout terrace]

[rustic vale]

[hard viper]

Currently made it to Elysium with the fist weapon

Way easier to do now that I found out I can save the game

[patent mesa]

bruh

[hard viper]

I might even clear it. I haven’t gotten any OP buffs but I have gotten better and have 2 revives still

[rustic vale]

Just play better

Ez

[hard viper]

That’s a Work in progress

Also I should play shield more cuz I am way better at it than any other weapon. Just feels like noob strats to play it too much

[signal aspen]

shied best weapon

[patent mesa]

shied best weapon

[hard viper]

shied best weapon

[rustic vale]

Shed best weapon

[grand fox]

legacy4ever

u skip leg day

i have legs of steel

[grand fox]

play with everything

more rewards with less heat

[hard viper]

Still dont really know what heat is lol

[rustic vale]

Difficulty stages you can add for bounties after finishing a run* for the first time

[grand fox]

you'll find out

[hard viper]

How many areas are there?

[grim arrow]

I'm a new player so forgive me if I'm wrong, but in the underworld there are 4

[old belfry]

yeah 4

[snow skiff]

Um technically styx is already on the surface

[lean timber]

no it isn't

[twilit lodge]

It’s the caves the river goes into

Read a book smh my head

(The codex)

[rustic vale]

4

[reef glen]

Is it me or is zbow really bad?

At least early game

[swift inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699090167788470284/1023007512993202266/unknown.png

Blessed Eury

[snow skiff]

@patent mesa thoughts on tree finding td3 hard

[patent mesa]

average underdrive fan

[snow skiff]

Just play faster man idk

Your aspho time probably sucks too you just don't think it is because it looks smaller

Aspho is like half as long as ely lmfao

Aspho is c15 -> 24

Ely is c25->36

Yeah because its a short ass biome and ely is impossible

[foggy lark]

I go with whatever gives me the bonus.

Also makes me try new stuff.

[snow skiff]

Sounds semi normal honestly

Especially on higher heat with bad room rng