Right?
#h1-discussion
rustic vale
high island
Aspect potential. I wouldn't say power because I would factor consistency into that.
But yeah.
swift inlet
At least the added consistency means you can see more of the less 'meta' aspects
Funny sub 7 arthur
high island
Downside is it splits the playerbase to some extent because console players can't compete in modded.
swift inlet
top 100 has... huh. Like 8 various console players
Unfortunate
To be fair, if hades can run on a mac, it should be fine on a lot of non gaming pcs
silver nimbus
why is Demeter legendary so hard to get smh
latent moon
It's the only legendary that requires 2 tier 2 boons lmao
signal aspen
Arty legendary requires 2 t2s
latent moon
Oh right
lean timber
you just mash cast and dodge
latent moon
You kill the summons while dad is darkness
Because you don't have anything better to do
lean timber
pretty much lmao
swift inlet
I don't kill them because I had flurry and would've missed the shots đ
Should just play beo instead
warm nimbus
At least the added consistency means you can see more of the less 'meta' aspects
yeah thats nice
and plus you can get the build youre going for a lot more often
high island
It's the only legendary that requires 2 tier 2 boons lmao
Ravenous Will is not t2.
swift inlet
dont ever expect to get ME
ME players when they don't get c3 merciful end, impending doom, epic hyper delivery + reflex, and the lottery jackpot
lean timber
it wants rav will, killing freeze or arctic something
the last two are t2 so technicalllllyyyyy
you couuuullld
saaaaaay
i'm tired
high island
Pressure Points is also not t2.
high island
No legendary requires two t2 boons.
swift inlet
I only know pp isn't tier 2 because I always take it when Artemis offers aid/cast
lean timber
unhealthy fixation?
swift inlet
And yknow its just a spicy boon
high island
unhealthy fixation?
One t1 and one t2.
lean timber
it's a nice little benefit but at least it counts for fully loaded i probably would ignore it half the time anyway
hmm
does blown kiss count towards it i forget
high island
No.
lean timber
i prefer to get my critical damage through splitting headache + the aphro/dio duo that i currently can't remember the name of which
high island
Low Tolerance.
lean timber
yeah
high island
You probably couldn't remember because of your Splitting Headache and your Low Tolerance.
Correct.
Good way to get legendaries though sometimes because Duo Boons aren't in the pool. 
lean timber
rustic vale
Good way to get legendaries though sometimes because Duo Boons aren't in the poo...
Getting huge catch out of the pool in tart for higher mirage shot chance 
old belfry
ty friend
rustic vale
Along with no flurry jab in pool is why hades is a special focused weapon
warm nimbus
@patent mesa
i got the build
lets see if its any good
also i savescummed for cskewer so modpack doing weird things lol
old belfry
lol that was basically the same build I was running, except I was using Hades spear for it
2500 dmg crits heyooooo
oak cloud
is there a mod that will let you set door rewards to only poms
warm nimbus
is there a mod that will let you set door rewards to only poms
you could try using one of the many op mirror mods with the infinite rerolls mod then use fated authority
https://streamable.com/nflwj6 @patent mesa heres the hades fight
oak cloud
you could try using one of the many op mirror mods with the infinite rerolls mod...
thanks
warm nimbus
my verdict is: equal to gy
the big problem is that it doesnt deal damage until it explodes
signal aspen
Heroic positive outlook gaming
patent mesa
https://streamable.com/nflwj6 <@279126808455151628> heres the hades fight
idk man the frame data advantage over gy is pretty extreme there
lean timber
idk man as
patent mesa
someone with
warm nimbus
idk man the frame data advantage over gy is pretty extreme there
yeah its better for hades
but idk gy is just better at clearing rooms
even if it does less damage
patent mesa
I guess that's just bias between high heat and speedrunning
lean timber
who knew area of effect good
patent mesa
the 2x hp is more than enough to swing favor into zspear for me
assuming double hammer**
obv in reality gy >>> zspear for high heat
signal aspen
Gy has an insane first half with 1 hammer and a special boon
Tbh the only advantage zag spear has is the extra health
warm nimbus
i still prefer gy backhalf lol idk
zpear is better numbers wise but gy is just like so good at clearing rooms
the aoe on it can not be understated
stiff pike
I need to find out if im stupid lucky or is it that you're guaranteed to get a satyr sack on your second path if you go to both elites first
tepid light
you are not guaranteed
patent mesa
I need to find out if im stupid lucky or is it that you're guaranteed to get a s...
elite rooms have no effect on sack rng
rustic vale
I need to find out if im stupid lucky or is it that you're guaranteed to get a s...
Just lucky
Take elite rooms sooner rather than later anyways because better reward and faster end chamber
latent moon
elite rooms are easier than normal rooms imo
lean timber
is there any fringe case where double strike works as intended
or is it always a pretty good chance of a 2nd strike
stiff pike
In my 25.4 hours of playtime i've never went to first 2 elite rooms and its not sack 2nd
stiff pike
Its always sack on the second room like no way pure rng
stiff pike
Yeah first time i went to styx i cleared 4 rooms no sack but i didn't go for elite first that time
lean timber
In my 25.4 hours of playtime i've never went to first 2 elite rooms and its not ...
"idk man as"
lol
warm nimbus
is there any fringe case where double strike works as intended
yes it works all the time
sometimes one wont hit because it isnt angled right
lean timber
it has a wildly understated % chance to cause a 2nd strike
warm nimbus
it has a wildly understated % chance to cause a 2nd strike
its not a % chance
lean timber
it's 
warm nimbus
its a guaranteed second strike and a 20% damage bonus to dash strikes
lean timber
double strike = zeus boon
rustic vale
double strike for lightning bolts
lean timber
bbruhh
rustic vale
Lemme double check real quick
warm nimbus
yeah its only bugged on special dash and sea storm iirc
warm nimbus
so not for call
lean timber
augh
warm nimbus
which is literally the only time it matters
lean timber
huge L
rustic vale
is there any fringe case where double strike works as intended
Thunder dash, zeus call, lightning reflexes, jolted, scillanting feast
Lightning rod
warm nimbus
Thunder dash, zeus call, lightning reflexes, jolted, scillanting feast
wait thunder dash isnt bugged?
wacky
also i dont think jolted is affected by dstrike is it
lean timber
theoretically it is lightning damage... so it could be...?
idk if it's classified as a bolt tho
rustic vale
I couldâve sworn it was affected by double strike
lean timber
i dunno on that one chief. anyway time for bed. my runs sucked today. goodnight
rustic vale
maybe Iâm wrong on specifically jolted but all the rest of the boons mentioned are bolts for sure
warm nimbus
jolted isnt a bolt i dont think
rustic vale
I remember for some reason getting told jolted scaled with double strike
rustic vale
maybe Iâm wrong on specifically jolted but all the rest of the boons mentioned a...
And arenât affected by double strike glitch
hollow urchin
got that spear hammer upgrade that lowers dash range but gives you like 3 dash attacks
it felt very weak honestly the dash length was just gimped wayyy too much for the benefit of +2 attacks
patent mesa
got that spear hammer upgrade that lowers dash range but gives you like 3 dash a...
if you can manage it it's a pretty massive buff
pairs well with ddash just to mitigate the loss of safety
high island
With a decent build for it, you'll kill everything before it becomes a threat. But the Hades fight can be difficult if you don't have practice with it.
Divine Dash good for safety, Tidal Dash good for doubling down on damage.
Lots of Attack and Dash-Strike bonus from Master Chaos.
Zag Spear doesn't have an Attack bonus, but the other spears do. Well, in Guan Yu's case it's higher base damage.
random pilot
high island
Very true.
round summit
Hmm for now I only have the sword and spear hidden aspects unlocked, but who do I talk to for other hidden aspects?
hardy spear
Hmm for now I only have the sword and spear hidden aspects unlocked, but who do ...
check pins in #h1-story-discussion
marble sky
Does hypnos have any favor requirements? I feel like i've done everything but its not triggering. Not sure if this goes here or in #h1-story-discussion
Hypnos and pat are the only ones i need to 100% (almost done with pat)
gusty kelp
he does
marble sky
Oh what are they? I feel like ive been doing at it for a while
round summit
check pins in <#521035166471159828>
Appreciate it!
marble sky
Ok i just maxed everyone EXCEPT him.
gusty kelp
Oh what are they? I feel like ive been doing at it for a while
you have to get an autograph from asterius
which requires dying to him
marble sky
which requires dying to him
Huh. I guess thats why i never got it lol
marble sky
Yeah. I cant remember the last time i did. So it makes sense why
mint coral
Ok i just maxed everyone EXCEPT him.
Asterius autograph is not his favor
The favor requires a lot of convos with Than and Hypnos till hr starts working "better"
marble sky
The favor requires a lot of convos with Than and Hypnos till hr starts working "...
Ive gotten several of those. Still waiting. Oh well patience is a virtue i suppose
mint coral
Hypnos favor is a pain yeah
Worse if you havent finished Than dialogue due to priority
marble sky
Priority is annoying
stiff pike
In my 25.4 hours of playtime i've never went to first 2 elite rooms and its not ...
At styx, i will report if i get sack on second room again
rustic vale
At styx, i will report if i get sack on second room again
It shouldnât guarantee it unless your game is glitched or something
I can confirm that it doesnât guarantee 2 sack because I take the 2 elite rooms first nearly every time because itâs easier and faster
mint coral
Tony vermin strikes again
stiff pike
Alright didn't get sack, theory disproved when i believed it most
Its still very frequent because this is like the first time
rustic vale
Its still very frequent because this is like the first time
I mean 2 sack has a 54% of happening
rustic vale
cant post image tho
You can send image links
latent moon
Will you join modded gang
lean timber
no.
latent moon
Cringe
latent moon
cringe
signal aspen
unmodded gang đŞ
tepid light
the only mod i will use is the one that adds a bunch of new gods to the game
otherwise
miss me with that stuff
latent moon
I don't think im ever gonna go back to my main save lmao
lean timber
do mods force you to abandon unmodded saves?
latent moon
Well if you install the mod then the mod is usable on all saves, I just have a separate save file for unmodded and modded
lean timber
oh
yeah mods are kind of
there's no point for me because i don't want to eliminate rng so
latent moon
Nice qol that I can't get rid of
formal sinew
I'm not a mod user either
tepid light
@manic bobcat Here I'll help you
lean timber
mod user? more like mod LOSER!! got them (gottem)!
tepid light
mod user? more like mod LOSER!! got them (gottem)!
silence bottom
manic bobcat
Shush
tepid light
Finally, there he is
signal aspen
imagine playing with mods
manic bobcat
imagine playing this game at all
signal aspen
fr
tepid light
mattyboi in shambles
lean timber
latent moon
Silence bottom
marble sky
I don't use mods. Not because i don't want to, but because i'm a mod boomer
If i could figure it out easier, i'd have mods already.
patent mesa
I don't use mods. Not because i don't want to, but because i'm a mod boomer
I was the same way til I joined the modding server for some help
after that it was smooth sailing
marble sky
I should join it too
lean timber
athena dash and merciful end are mutually exclusive
safe tinsel
Sad
Ddash plus ME would be insanity
Maybe that's why I would never get ME before. Nc j always took divine dash first
rustic vale
Ddash plus ME would be insanity
lean timber
lmfao
lean timber
0.3 frames
signal aspen
My fastest c33 was 0s because I got patty
warm nimbus
lean timber
h!ps crush shot
rustic vale
Does anyone have meme builds that arenât painful to play
latent moon
Oh yeah do MEowulf
swift inlet
how tf does that even work
rustic vale
It do be a me problem
one run I literally had curse of vengeance and holy shield as well so ME wouldâve been perfect
patent mesa
h!ps crush shot
rustic vale
But then no ares or athena in styx
Should make a tier list for boons based on how well they scale with rarity
And another one for pom scaling
high island
Have you done Charged Volley builds on Zag Bow yet?
latent moon
Oh that doesn't sound fun
rustic vale
Charge volley is something I havenât thought of in ages
lean timber
Should make a tier list for boons based on how well they scale with rarity
charged volley dem was my first build
latent moon
Charged volley sounds terrible considering how much you need to charge it and then the special actually going through
rustic vale
thatâs like the bad version of bow shotgun
patent mesa
if zbow gave +15% crit for special too it would be cool
rustic vale
Might try a spin build on non-guan-yu spears
latent moon
Hades spear
lean timber
hades spear
rustic vale
patent mesa
Might try a spin build on non-guan-yu spears
achilles
patent mesa
achilles being the best spin spear is sad
high island
Charged Volley builds can be pretty strong.
signal aspen
achilles being the best spin spear is sad
no thats guan yu
patent mesa
ik besides gy
rustic vale
Charged Volley builds can be pretty strong.
Hmm
I have all the braincells soooo
Artemis flourish aphrodite dash heart rend shotgun on zag bow sounds fun
why is concentrated and charged volley compatible but not relentless and charged
lean timber
too busted
rustic vale
oh wait if you anvil-ed into charged, concentrated and relentless đł I guess thatâs why
latent moon
Does the charge speed of charged volley get affected if you treat it like a dash strike
warm nimbus
Oh yeah do MEowulf
the problem with MEowulf is that a single cast does like twice the damage of the doom proc lmao
high island
Does the charge speed of charged volley get affected if you treat it like a dash...
No. There's no Dash-Special on bow.
latent moon
Cringe
high island
It's a fun build, just unfortunately relies on hammer RNG.
rustic vale
oh wait if you anvil-ed into charged, concentrated and relentless đł I guess tha...
Doing 910 base damage if you hit all your shots on the same target
rustic vale
Doing 910 base damage if you hit all your shots on the same target
If I mathed right
high island
Charged Volley, Heartbreak Flourish, Unhealthy Fixation is quite fun.
rustic vale
(13 shots +3 each time) *2.5
high island
77% chance to charm per volley.
rustic vale
Unhealthy fixation is 15% per weaken hit right
lean timber
yah
lean timber
yep. it's 15 Ă 8 = 100% chance of charming + 20% chance to double charm, but the double charm cancels it out so it's 100 - 20 = 80%
latent moon
Sounds about right
lean timber
sounds right to me
rustic vale
Uhhhhh
lean timber
nyaa is this not correct? this is exactly what you were saying
rustic vale
.85^9=~77%
lean timber
no
rustic vale
.85 being chance to not charm them ^9 because number of shots =~23% to not charm so ~77% chance to charm per volley of 9 arrows
Wait a minute
I thought about ME chiron all backwards
Wait no I have it forwards
This sounds 4.000iq
ares attack athena special ME curse of longing as well
Just fit curse of longing in as well
And Iâm pretty sure the damage from ME combo wouldnât get reduced by 50%
The dream: ares attack, impending doom, athena flourish, Merciful end, relentless volley, concentrated volley, aphrodite dash, curse of longing, artemis cast, heart rend, deadly reversalâŚ
just get the boonsâ˘ď¸
It only relies on what
Finding 9 specific boons
Not enough I say
Empty inside and sweet surrender would probably be nice here
Taking it up to like 11 boons
I have yet to finish a run with demeter fists using demeter special because every other god and goddess wants to give me heroic flourishes
Suffering from success
high island
.85^9=~77%
1 â .85^9 = 77%
rustic vale
I did say that wrong yes
list is:
dem special dem fists
ME luci
ME chiron
unhealthy fixation bow
high island
Demeter Aspect works better with Chill on Attack tbh.
rustic vale
I bet it would
high island
Easy Privileged Status for big Dash-Uppers.
rustic vale
oh yes flurry fire dem attack zag rail with arctic blast still needs to happen
I did it with spreadfire but like with flurry fire sounds interesting
warm nimbus
yep. it's 15 Ă 8 = 100% chance of charming + 20% chance to double charm, but the...
yeah thats right
lean timber
exactly
signal aspen
good zag pear gaming
swift inlet
How the actual hell do you hestia
signal aspen
How the actual hell do you hestia
warm nimbus
I need a controller, this is abysmal on mnk
do you have side mouse buttons?
swift inlet
do you have side mouse buttons?
Yeah, but aim is the issue more than anything
signal aspen
are you playing with aim at cursor off and auto aim on
swift inlet
Dunno about auto aim, but can't do aim at cursor off because the wasd movement is stinky
warm nimbus
signal aspen
bruh
warm nimbus
auto aim with aim at cursor off just targets the nearest thing on rails
regardless of movement
signal aspen
warm nimbus
have you seriously been using eris and stuff with aim at cursor on
signal aspen
i think i got a sub 9 eris with aim at cursor on
and i mightve done 45 heat hestia with aim at cursor on
i dont remember
signal aspen
thats the new achilles meta
warm nimbus
swift inlet
have you seriously been using eris and stuff with aim at cursor on <:bouldy:5233...
Yes, and I got a 9:28 with it
latent moon
Empowered shot
formal sinew
Just abuse clockets and demeter or aphro atk
warm nimbus
Yes, and I got a 9:28 with it
ok turn it off and youll see instant improvement
formal sinew
even better if your cluster rockets or just cluster are with poseidons boon
Wall slam x5 + rupture if you have it
patent mesa
Dunno about auto aim, but can't do aim at cursor off because the wasd movement i...
bruh
swift inlet
Average Hera player ^
swift inlet
Just abuse clockets and demeter or aphro atk
Clockets is busted on every rail but luci and that's only because it doesn't get it
Hmm today I will do 1500 damage with one click and one boon
high island
Who are you calling average? đŤ
signal aspen
Demeter atk. Hammer should be increased special radius
increased special radius is hazard bomb
patent mesa
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1018600125226033225/un...
the heck is going on there
signal aspen
i was playing hestia
patent mesa
why is there a lvl3 meg
signal aspen
i was playing hestia
patent mesa
understandable
signal aspen
its also the max level of all keepsakes and companions
formal sinew
increased special radius is hazard bomb
Not for Lucifer
signal aspen
luci sucks
formal sinew
indeed
patent mesa
yeah it's funny
formal sinew
Tbh the scaling damage is useless
what will you do, just stand there without taking damage?
signal aspen
same damage as lvl 1 doom attack
formal sinew
Boom
patent mesa
that's a war crime
formal sinew
indeed
So is abusing the same satyr with all 5 cluster ares bombs from above
talk about air strike
signal aspen
em3 theseus be like
formal sinew
Oh I love EM3 Theseus when I have armour piercing rounds
Hes so useless
Plus divine dash just makes it so good
patent mesa
idk man as
warm nimbus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1018600125226033225/un...
where
where mirror
signal aspen
i dont have enough darkness
warm nimbus
lean timber
wh
swift inlet
Does anyone else randomly summon/cast on unseeded runs
It accomplishes nothing but gives me the slight comfort that if I get screwed by rng, at least it was me manipulating myself into it
warm nimbus
Does anyone else randomly summon/cast on unseeded runs
no lmao
mint coral
Does anyone else randomly summon/cast on unseeded runs
o/
patent mesa
Does anyone else randomly summon/cast on unseeded runs
bruh
I thought I was the only one
monkey brain gang
latent moon
Oh I don't either lmao
warm nimbus
monkey brain gang
what is wrong with you people
warm nimbus
Oh I don't either lmao
finally someone reasonable smh
warm nimbus
but like
casting is timeloss
although i do do the thing where if i do something in a run that i shouldnt have and then get a good time im just like well if i hadnt done that the run wouldnt have happened so
rustic vale
monkey brain gang
{insert bouldy tower defense reference here}
patent mesa
{insert bouldy tower defense reference here}
rof?ban @rustic vale btd6 reference
lean timber
please
latent moon
I just pause before the doors, make a decision, and then pick it idk what's wrong with y'all lmao
Unless I want to break a pot
lean timber
before every single door i do three full 360s, cast 6 times, and summon 4 times
that's how i save all my time
rustic vale
I save time by killing enemies faster
warm nimbus
I just pause before the doors, make a decision, and then pick it idk what's wron...
exactly
lean timber
noob
high island
I just pause before the doors, make a decision, and then pick it idk what's wron...
What are you pausing for?
warm nimbus
codex tech
SO BASED
rustic vale
use codex tech midhades fight
warm nimbus
i do want to see what the fastest possible run with codex tech would be like
signal aspen
casting is timeloss
Do it while you are waiting for the doors to open
signal aspen
I do
high island
Just make your decisions ahead of time.
rustic vale
I don't make decisions in milliseconds
play every run like chaos is hiding every room
high island
lol
You just need to decide on a simple flowchart ahead of time and then just follow that.
swift inlet
Rama without twin shot is slower than Bouldy's workout routine
I wonder why I'm not killing things in tart faster then I remember I could be doing 100% more damage to literally every enemy
lean timber
or 50% by pressing A once (unpatched glitch)
and 60% with shared suffering via pressing X once (unpatched glitch)
latent moon
You just need to decide on a simple flowchart ahead of time and then just follow...
I'm pausing so I can see what the doors are
Ik what I want, I just need time to see it and make the time between seeing and acting smaller
lean timber
no no you should already know what's on the doors obviously
you have a gameplan so nothing can ever sway what you want
and you will always get exactly what you want
duh
twilit lodge
Manifest your build into existence with your mind
latent moon
i tried to do that and didn't get ME
twilit lodge
You didnât want it enough
Do a fast and a toxin cleanse to purify your chakras and try again
twilit lodge
latent moon
and then athena never wanted to show up
my worst weapon is the only one i don't have a sub10 with 
twilit lodge
Iâve barely been playing and it already hurts to see how strong the desire sensor is in this game
twilit lodge
Youâd think attack/special boons would be weighed higher than cast dash and misc but nah
twilit lodge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1020920228256940032/...
V impressive
latent moon
if you're missing a core it'll always be offered the next time you pick up a boon
well it's supposed to anyways
once you reroll it tho no guarantees
twilit lodge
As in, if you have the other three filled?
latent moon
V impressive
thanks lol
latent moon
As in, if you have the other three filled?
yeah
like if your atk, special, and dash are filled (and maybe call too, call's a bit weird but kinda included) then you'll be offered a cast
twilit lodge
And then you have 4 boons so your poms all exclude the one youâre actually maining
latent moon
i mean you have a good chance of hitting the one you want
and most weapons typically want 2 cores pommed
and depending on the weapon, a third one might also be worth pomming
twilit lodge
Fair enough Iâm just salty from a run where all the garbage passives I had accumulated kept being on the pom list
latent moon
you can sell the useless ones
swift inlet
my worst weapon is the only one i don't have a sub10 with <:residentzag:58009745...
gang
twilit lodge
And my damage sources were having a picnic together
twilit lodge
Miles from the pom list
swift inlet
at least you already have a sub10 spear run
I got carried by hb
latent moon
And my damage sources were having a picnic together
sell the boons you think are useless so you're more likely to see the poms on the one you want
swift inlet
Based
flurry hunting blades achilles fun
flurry zeus achilles fun
Everything else bad
latent moon
spear bad
lowkey just considering ME achilles
and never touching spear
until 40 heat i guess
Wait I didn't even clear 32 on spear
Yeah spear sucks
Oh wait nvm I did wrong screenshot
twilit lodge
Is hydraulic mainly for bosses?
swift inlet
No
stiff pike
No
swift inlet
It's good everywhere
stiff pike
When i first found out about hades i got spoiled the placeholder ending so when i got the real one it makes it more special
cyan jolt
If i had a nickel for every run Patroclus saved I would be a millionaire
safe tinsel
My brother accidentally unplugged my controller and I lost two death defiances
But then athena blessed me with another one
swift inlet
If i had a nickel for every run Patroclus saved I would be a millionaire
Wait until you get to high heat
swift inlet
Yes
cyan jolt
I heard some people say stubborn defiance is better for high heats but idk about that
swift inlet
It definitely is
Long story short, one of the conditions makes it so you can barely heal at all, and one of the only ways to heal is by using stubborn defiance instead of death defiance. When you go to pat with that ability, instead of refilling your death defiance charges, he makes your stubborn defiance heal you practically to full
latent moon
basically, normal combat rooms are more dangerous than boss encounters
swift inlet
Aside from stubborn defiance giving you more healing, it's also helpful because enemies are so much harder to deal with that you're probably gonna die in every chamber anyway
Yeah
latent moon
and athena DD cheese
swift inlet
Unless you have rama and phase 1 dad summons doomstone + sneak
cyan jolt
Hmm
swift inlet
Then you're in a blind panic trying to kill him fast enough
cyan jolt
I have beaten hades without dying like 3 times lmao
latent moon
without patty's help, you get 60% hp to deal with him
swift inlet
High heat hades is a different beast
cyan jolt
Highest heat i ever got to was like 9
latent moon
and depending on the heat level, hard labor hurts lmao
swift inlet
Funnily enough the first phase is the worst
cyan jolt
I always find the second phase to be easier
latent moon
second phase is easier but more likely to screw you
swift inlet
Idk man pots are ass
latent moon
Phase 3 isn't that hard to learn and play safe
iirc it's just phase 2 but faster and dark
swift inlet
Yeah
latent moon
Idk man pots are ass
yeah, the existence of pots make phase 2 a pain
latent moon
getting potted doesn't happen often but it screwed my 40 boonless beo run
latent moon
Slow weapon dealing with sneak and doomstone
simply do not run em4
cyan jolt
How much damage do the pots do
signal aspen
in phase 3 hades doesnt have any parts, he can darkness, and starts at 80% hp
swift inlet
Like 150
cyan jolt
Bruh
signal aspen
with HS
cyan jolt
Oh good
swift inlet
Traps do mongo damage
cyan jolt
Should i just start playing with EM to get used to the new fights
cyan jolt
I hate EM1 against Tisiphone
cyan jolt
should also start playing with RI4 to get used to no mirror
Wait does does it go as far as removing all abilities?
signal aspen
yeah
latent moon
lmao
latent moon
ri isn't usually taken until like past 50
swift inlet
Ap fr the worst pact
cyan jolt
What's ap
cyan jolt
Oh
signal aspen
1 per level
cyan jolt
Ew
swift inlet
It obliterates your rng
cyan jolt
That's just cruel lmao
swift inlet
You can already get screwed by rng on a high heat run, but if you have ap2 on you're basically entirely at the mercy of the underworld secretaries
cyan jolt
I always have runs where i try to go for specific Olympians but i only get them once because of the keepsake
latent moon
Should i just start playing with EM to get used to the new fights
em1 is pretty easy, em2 and em3 are pretty standard pacts to take for heat
cyan jolt
I always have runs where i try to go for specific Olympians but i only get them ...
Is there any way to improve the rng for getting the right goda
signal aspen
filling your god pool will help with that
basically in every run you will get random gods until you fill your god pool with 4 gods
not including hermes and chaos
and then once its filled you will only get those gods
swift inlet
If you're speedrunning it can be a bit of a pain because you might get gods that absolutely do nothing to help you or actively harm your optimization
At heat that's probably less of a pain considering stuff like drunken strike eris
signal aspen
imagine playing eris
swift inlet
I don'tđ
cyan jolt
Why does the return of the aspect of Zeus take so long
swift inlet
Lucifer fun
cyan jolt
So annoying
signal aspen
thats why you dont throw it out all the way
patent mesa
Why does the return of the aspect of Zeus take so long
because it's a trash aspect
signal aspen
so true
patent mesa
one of the absolute worst
swift inlet
Poseidon bad on anything not named super soaker
cyan jolt
What's the super soaker
latent moon
lucifer with tempest strike, eternal chamber, and sea storm
rustic vale
one of the absolute worst
Lies and slander
rustic vale
Poseidon bad on anything not named super soaker
Pos attack is bad on anything not named super soaker
pos cast/flare/dash good on pretty much anything
cyan jolt
Pos attack is bad on anything not named super soaker
Why
latent moon
pos atk has the lowest % modifier
and makes everything inconvenient because you're pushing them away
rustic vale
pos attack has garbage percent and most weapons canât use the knockback well
Atleast tempest flourish has high-ish percent so you can use it with high rarity⌠maybe
rustic vale
I was trying to do aspect of demeter with demeter flourish and I got an exchange for heroic pos special so I took it
cyan jolt
What's a good build for achilles
rustic vale
Iâm pretty sure everything but bosses was getting knocked away before it got all the hits in
Splash dash artemis attack ares cast
Hunting blades + mirage shot
acoustic bolt
just got a thanatos room where he got 0 kills
rustic vale
Hope for flurry jab
acoustic bolt
my first time XD
rustic vale
just got a thanatos room where he got 0 kills
End run message if you win the run
acoustic bolt
End run message if you win the run
where do you see hte message
rustic vale
Just under the time on the victory screen
latent moon
i think it gets over written if you get a fast time lmao
acoustic bolt
cool
rustic vale
i think it gets over written if you get a fast time lmao
It might be
latent moon
where do you see hte message
it's covered by the mod icons lmao
you can see it in your last run you posted, it says "death defier"
rustic vale
What's a good build for achilles
Artemis attack, ares cast, poseidon dash, hunting blades, mirage shot, flurry jab
swift inlet
Pos attack is bad on anything not named super soaker
No, poseidon in general bad, worst god đ§
Tidal dash worst dash
acoustic bolt
you can see it in your last run you posted, it says "death defier"
he got like 1 kill
latent moon
It might be
i beat than and he had 0 but it got overwritten by hermes iirc
swift inlet
Passion dash đł
latent moon
he got like 1 kill
no i mean like, if than gets 0 kills it'll show in the same place it has "death defier"
it's a run clear message thingy
acoustic bolt
ah
rustic vale
Passion dash đł
Works well enough on triple shot zag though
latent moon
Passion dash đł
passion dash to proc heart rend gaming
rustic vale
gives you heart rend
swift inlet
I haven't seen any message besides "Hermes would be jealous" in 43 years đ
latent moon
mood
cyan jolt
No, poseidon in general bad, worst god đ§
What about ares
cyan jolt
I feel like he sucks
rustic vale
Ares isnât bad
swift inlet
Nah, every god is bussin
latent moon
12 minutes?
i think so
rustic vale
Nah, every god is bussin
True
swift inlet
Ares has some alright support stuff
acoustic bolt
my god i just melted tysiphone. 83 life no stubborn defiance use. i donno if i've ever done that. i guess lvl 5 epic ares special is good :p
swift inlet
They all have their niches
rustic vale
itâs just some gods are more generally bussin
rustic vale
Merciful end, hunting blades
latent moon
without those duos he's basically useless if you want to use him as your core damage
rustic vale
Ares really wants duos though
vengeful mood
latent moon
Doom can be its own nice supplementary damage
9:30 explosive upper run moment
swift inlet
~~vengeful mood~~
Merciful mood đ§
latent moon
it's basically getting ME but with different support boons lmao
instead of ddash and impending it's those 2
and we all know you can't get any of that in an ME run
rustic vale
Then just face tank dad and win
latent moon
ME arthur gaming??
cyan jolt
What do you guys think is the worst boon
latent moon
merciful end
rustic vale
hunters instinct
swift inlet
So true bestie
latent moon
i mean all the boons have their own niche for the most part
cyan jolt
merciful end
Don't they use that in fresh file speedruns
latent moon
twas a joke
cyan jolt
Or is it outdated
rustic vale
Don't they use that in fresh file speedruns
Merciful end is like
Super strong
But also
Really overused
swift inlet
The issue with merciful end is that it requires 7000 things to go right
swift inlet
Like you need a LOT to go right
latent moon
The issue with merciful end is that it requires 7000 things to go right
ngl for fresh file you just need ME and the dash, anything else is just bonus at that point
considering it's fresh file and you have no rerolls or dark foresight
rustic vale
Or is it outdated
Not outdated, used in more than just fresh file just rng reliant and boring after playing it a few times because either you find none of the boons required or everything just dies
swift inlet
You need 5 boons from ares/athena, preferably in a specific order, tons of poms on two of them, extra dashes/rush delivery from hermes, and then you still have to have good luck with rooms
rustic vale
I think ME is kinda you either get nothing or everything
swift inlet
Yeah
latent moon
lmao yah
swift inlet
It's just full ME anyway without as mongo damage
rustic vale
Just get other global damage sources
latent moon
MEris?
rustic vale
MElgamesh
MEzagsword with RD
Zag sword attack speed doesnât affect the special right?
warm nimbus
because it's a trash aspect
rustic vale
Aspect design tierlist đŠ
aspect design tierlist?
latent moon
and i'd put beo lower, it's kinda a bit ugly lmao
swift inlet
Appearance
Beo kinda grew on me once I actually noticed the coiled dragon
GY did it better though
Guan yu may be miserable without cskewer but my god is it hot
rustic vale
All the fists in the meh lmfao
rustic vale
Luci needs to stop existing idk why itâs higher
latent moon
crow brain likes shiny
swift inlet
The glow saves it tho
this
hallowed ground is spicy
Buff arthur
Make hallowed ground give you a 200% damage buff
global
rustic vale
Buff arthur
Intrinsic piercing wave
swift inlet
Would that really help it
rustic vale
No
rustic vale
50%^arthur level global damage buff
swift inlet
250% based
rustic vale
^
swift inlet
Oh, I didn't see that
rustic vale
Since I just said 50%
swift inlet
250% would make arthur viable high heat with smair đ§
rustic vale
While in your explosion
swift inlet
Make eris bad
rustic vale
ME arthur meta
swift inlet
Wouldn't smair still do more
Zeus cast before smair is up would probably obliterate tart too
rustic vale
I was joking with ME arthur
swift inlet
I mean you wouldn't need impending anymore which would be nice
Just merciful end ddash ez
warm nimbus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1021109993304510464/...
as in how they look or how interesting they are
warm nimbus
Appearance
oh lol
swift inlet
Arthur is saved by vfx
warm nimbus
how are beo and zbow above zpear achilles arthur zag sword and hera
zspear and achilles especially
swift inlet
Hera stank
warm nimbus
wtf how
signal aspen
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1021109993304510464/...
Beo should not be S, Talos should be in S, zag shield should be in S, and zag bow should be in meh
swift inlet
I don't make the rules, just the lists
warm nimbus
also yeah id rate talos higher
signal aspen
Talos best looking fists
warm nimbus
it actually looks pretty good compared to how much of a trashspect it is
signal aspen
Beo big spaghetti plate
swift inlet
Talos and dem look too similar with the eye thing for me
signal aspen
Look at it and tell me you know what the design is on beo
signal aspen
Dragon head and then spaghetti
latent moon
but spaghetti is good
patent mesa
I thought I was the only one who thought beo looked ugly as sin
patent mesa
facts
warm nimbus
the special effect of the dragon rush looks cool tho
this is true
signal aspen
why banana spear in s
signal aspen
achilles
signal aspen
two bananas at the top
patent mesa
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1021119993229885521/...
this is obviously a gameplay tier list since zshield S
warm nimbus
lmao i somehow ended up with 3 rails in d and 3 spears in s
signal aspen
zeus shield is good
patent mesa
play zshield
warm nimbus
zeus shield is good
nah it looks mid
actually wait i think i have a copypasta about that
signal aspen
no i mean its a good aspect
patent mesa
my friend bought the game yesterday and made it to heroes with bow on like 5th attempt
signal aspen
very good with cshot
warm nimbus
absolutely chaos. chaos is by far the best shield aspect and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. chaos has no downsides, while zeus does have a downside, and its that your special moves slower. being able to actually deal damage with your special is completely irrelevant if its slow and impossible to use, but having more specials is clearly better. what even is a "blitz disc" anyway? what a terrible name. "bonus shields" is the stuff im after. just think how much cooler it is to be able to throw 6 shields at once like captain america compared to just lazily sliding your shield along the ground. and dont even get me started on the design of the shields. the aspect of chaos' design on the shield is clearly surperior, because it is one big eye, while zeus has two small eyes. who doesnt like big eyes? not me! and also, chaos (the character) is just objectively cooler and more egg than zeus, who is neither cool nor egg. this is why the aspect of zeus on aegis, the shield of chaos, is clearly worse than the aspect of chaos on aegis, the shield of chaos. i mean, the aspect is even named after the original owner of the shield! it clearly gets bonus points for that.
signal aspen
my friend bought the game yesterday and made it to heroes with bow on like 5th a...
that sucks
patent mesa
6th run convinced him to buy shield and he got c1 cshot and proceeded to escape first try
warm nimbus
my friend bought the game yesterday and made it to heroes with bow on like 5th a...
damnn cracked gamer
patent mesa
shield is broken
warm nimbus
6th run convinced him to buy shield and he got c1 cshot and proceeded to escape ...
who is this individual
signal aspen
did you give them cheat engine
latent moon
two bananas at the top
three if you count me
signal aspen
ive never heard of 6th attempt escape lol
why
patent mesa
who is this individual
warm nimbus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/1021121434770214974/...
bruhh wtffff
epic rd?!?!?
with no rolls, or pride
signal aspen
AND THEY HAVE AN ATHENA DD WITH SD
patent mesa
yeah we taught him the athena tech
signal aspen
what did you do to them
warm nimbus
ok so they just got lucky smh
patent mesa
no luck involved
signal aspen
you def gave them cheat engine
patent mesa
just a shield momentâ˘ď¸
signal aspen
did you teach them dad corner tech too
patent mesa
sadly not
hardy spear
took me 4 times that amount of attempts
signal aspen
can confirm i was that guy
warm nimbus
if achilles didnt have flurry itd be such a boring aspect
signal aspen
i hate shield
warm nimbus
thank god it does
signal aspen
if achilles didnt have flurry itd be such a boring aspect
meme beams tho
warm nimbus
patent mesa
i hate shield
I hate you
signal aspen
achilles speedrun meta
hardy spear
shield is weh
signal aspen
I hate you
đ đ
warm nimbus
the one thing i dont like about achilles is that its so hammer reliant that its a good idea to skip chaos for hammer
lmao
hardy spear
has anyone done a bull rush only run with everything else unbound including movement
warm nimbus
probably
patent mesa
that lowkey sounds fun
latent moon
get like 15 mouse buttons
hardy spear
least psychopathic playerbase
hardy spear
get like 15 mouse buttons
just make it into a controller
patent mesa
there was this run by latt but thats achilles special only
unaruably
warm nimbus
when youre on good pace and then walk into numbskulls xtrap
hardy spear
sly ridge
who do i have to talk to get unlock the last shield aspect
signal aspen
chaos
sly ridge
oh
damn
i was thinking it was zeus
and spent the past hour and a half tryna get a zeus boon so i could do it
i beat hades twice without a single zeus boon đ
patent mesa
and spent the past hour and a half tryna get a zeus boon so i could do it
homie you could've just used his keepsake
warm nimbus
patent mesa
sly ridge
also another question
one of my runs
at the start the poseidon boon showed up
and the only thing that was an option was a legendary that increased the chance for a fishing spot to show up
patent mesa
scripted event
warm nimbus
yeah scripted event
patent mesa
first run after you buy fishing rod
sly ridge
ohh
patent mesa
that reminds me @warm nimbus I still need to make a no fishing save
warm nimbus
that reminds me <@450317477717475329> I still need to make a no fishing save
lmao yeah
sly ridge
hope you didnt waste it
it was the run i was testing out the guan yu aspect
i got like
2 fish the whole run
sly ridge
and then i died in styx
warm nimbus
its a bit better on hesty but yeah not bad on gy
patent mesa
and then i died in styx
what level gy
patent mesa
yep it be like that then
impressed you made it to styx because lvl1 gy is dumpster tier
warm nimbus
that reminds me <@450317477717475329> I still need to make a no fishing save
that would revolutionize speedrunning
sly ridge
i didnt realize that gy would reduce health increase items too
sly ridge
there is actually one thing you miss out on from not having rod
isnt that the favor for poseidon
warm nimbus
and thats fishing during a no menu than
sly ridge
oh
patent mesa
did you know there's another
warm nimbus
isnt that the favor for poseidon
yeah you dont need his favor though
patent mesa
chaos fishtech
warm nimbus
wat