#h1-discussion

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latent moon
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lightning strikes from the sky

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and you can atk during it

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also there's plenty of supporting zeus boons that make it much stronger

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static discharge (jolted), double strike, splitting bolt

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dionysus and zeus provides the largest dps for calls, dio needs poms zeus needs supporting boons

unreal stirrup
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Tbh is doom over rated and I'm not seeing it?

latent moon
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it's very overrated

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well

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not very

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it's extremely great for ME

unreal stirrup
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(Barring ME)

latent moon
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but that's the extent of the usefulness tbh

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yeah outside of ME the only other usage it gets is on rama on the special

unreal stirrup
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Also is it bad my times are 35 mins plus?

latent moon
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nah not really

unreal stirrup
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Oh- oki

latent moon
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everyone's got their own pace

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no shame in long times

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unless 35+ mins are your speedrun times then that's concerning lol

unreal stirrup
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No no

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Cas

latent moon
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however, if you want to climb higher heat, time because more of an issue Tight Deadline is considered one of the "free heats" because it just slaps on a timer

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td1 is a 36 minute run, 9 per biome and time carries over between biomes

unreal stirrup
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Btw is it 9 mins per bio or room?

latent moon
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biome

patent mesa
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in general if your times are 30+ you can drastically shorten them by making no changes except pausing while thinking and taking shop rooms

unreal stirrup
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Ah gotcha

latent moon
unreal stirrup
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Oh and what happens if ya not out bt those 9 mins?

latent moon
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if you're not confined to a timer you can take your time and take all the rooms that speedrunners hate lmao

latent moon
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it's not insta death

patent mesa
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TD damage should be 1 every 0.8s

unreal stirrup
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Holy crao that's still bad

patent mesa
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arbitrary rate that I picked

latent moon
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ofc it's gonna be punishing

patent mesa
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yep it's really bad

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basically insta death past like 30s

latent moon
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30s is a dad pot lmao

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on hs

patent mesa
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yeah but that's HS

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all the homies hate HS

latent moon
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true

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all the homies like hs when resetting SD tho

patent mesa
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the time it saves is so inconsequential usually I think the "perk" of HS is way overstated

latent moon
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it took me 30 sec to reset an sd once lmao

patent mesa
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meh I just loathe HS

unreal stirrup
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Oh and tbh I have to say, I'm not focused on builds all too much I just play it as it comes but if I ever accidentally make a good build, then i will still be proud of my stumble, yk?

latent moon
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but yeah i'd rather not take hs and suffer the time loss time is never usually an issue for me

latent moon
unreal stirrup
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Oh and yk the doors in the Palace?

latent moon
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elaborate

unreal stirrup
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Don't spoil what's inside if ya do, but do we ever get access

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The locked ones

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To what seems to be hades Chambers or some shiz

latent moon
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on the top left or bottom left

unreal stirrup
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Top left

latent moon
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yeah you eventually get access

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i think once you hit the credits?

unreal stirrup
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The credits?

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I didn't think they was a thing

latent moon
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10 wins

unreal stirrup
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COz its a repeated game over and over?

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OH

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Ok

latent moon
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well it's like

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main story

unreal stirrup
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😅

latent moon
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there's other supporting story lines but they're not the main focus of the game

unreal stirrup
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Oh and how do we get hades to get another heart on the bond?

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Coz so far I'm stuck at 1

latent moon
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keep playing lmao

unreal stirrup
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Is that how it unlocks?

patent mesa
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the locked chamber in top left of house is actually a secret boss later on in the game

latent moon
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everything gets unlocked eventually if you keep playing

patent mesa
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you have to battle nyx and chaos

unreal stirrup
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...

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B R U H

patent mesa
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yeah they're insanely hard

unreal stirrup
latent moon
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master chief from halo comes by as well

unreal stirrup
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No not that

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Just

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Did ya not see what I asked

patent mesa
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lol don't worry I did

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was joke

unreal stirrup
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Oh ok ok

latent moon
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it's a joke lmao none of that is remotely gonna happen

patent mesa
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chaos boss battle would be fire though

latent moon
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instant death

unreal stirrup
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Ah yeye tbh

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Lowkey

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I wanted to smoke Nyx

patent mesa
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ayo

latent moon
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ayo?

unreal stirrup
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For a while idky I just don't like her

patent mesa
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oh

unreal stirrup
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I don't trust her

patent mesa
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her boss form is brutal

unreal stirrup
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Something feels...off

latent moon
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lmfao

unreal stirrup
latent moon
patent mesa
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her phase 2 where she summons her daughters the fates is super unfair I feel

latent moon
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really? i thought that phase wasn't too bad

unreal stirrup
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Tbh as much as I don't wanna know whats actually behind those doors

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With that joke

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I think

latent moon
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i thought phase 3 was extremely unfair

unreal stirrup
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It's starting to make me curious

patent mesa
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oh you mean the eris phase?

latent moon
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yeah

patent mesa
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yeah worst daughter summon

unreal stirrup
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(Btw I have ASD so I genuinely can't tell what is and isn't a joke through text)

patent mesa
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lmao sorry I'm done

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I'll say that room is pretty boring

latent moon
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oh sorry lmao yeah all this is a joke

patent mesa
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there's a little story related to it and it's a room you can visit for info once you unlock it

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but other than that nothing

latent moon
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not me about to make a joke about nyx pulling out a glock and absolutely blasting zag for phase 3

patent mesa
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nyx can absorb eris's bombard attack to gain damage

latent moon
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oh thats terrifying

unreal stirrup
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Oh and btw what is this benefits package thing?

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From the fated list

patent mesa
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gives armored enemies buffs

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it's one of the pacts of punishment

unreal stirrup
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Oh it's the different buffs enemies can have?

patent mesa
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yeah

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they don't exist unless you turn on the pact though

unreal stirrup
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Ofc ofc oh and one last thing, to get orpheus and euridece to meet and same for Achilies and his bf, is it just keep talking to em?

patent mesa
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think you have to talk with nyx once in a while too

latent moon
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Yes

patent mesa
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just keep visiting their chambers and talk to characters outside with the ! thing

latent moon
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Nyx tells you how exactly to make them meet basically

patent mesa
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oh and the locked room in top left is actually relevant here

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so you'll need to unlock it before you can complete that stuff

unreal stirrup
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Oh oki

latent moon
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Oh really

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I thought it was just bottom left whatever the name is

safe tinsel
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That's twice lol @unreal stirrup

patent mesa
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dyno wilding

unreal stirrup
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Actually

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3

safe tinsel
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Dem

unreal stirrup
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OK but anyway, so before I can see my homeboys happy I gotta kick server shades of sh-...stuffing out my dad first? 10 times?

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Bet! Domestic violence!! A game you can play with the whole family!!

safe tinsel
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Just to be clear, don't punch ur actual dad ok?

unreal stirrup
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...instructions unclear now I have a brazilian cat girl cousin...

swift inlet
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I...

safe tinsel
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Omfg how

swift inlet
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H u h

unreal stirrup
safe tinsel
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Nvm

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Bit the place

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Not*

unreal stirrup
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🤣

safe tinsel
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But yeah after 10 wins, end credits scene begins and its amazing lad trust me

swift inlet
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Holdup

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If they changed demeter lore to avoid hades and persephone being...

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How are zeus and hera a thing

safe tinsel
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Idk much abt mythology tbh. I'm one of those percy Jackson kids who thinks they're all that

swift inlet
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Percy Jackson is boppin

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Cease

unreal stirrup
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🤣

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I'm sorry shadesmile

safe tinsel
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The emoji jit called rofl

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🤣

unreal stirrup
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Nah fr shiz cursed

lean timber
swift inlet
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I feel genuine disdain for tartarus more than every other region rn

red coral
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Hey y’all let’s not make jokes that tow the line here. Thanks!

patent mesa
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?

swift inlet
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Why can't you just give me chaos + Bouldy + fountain + chaos again + midshop + survival room and the hammers/boons I want every time smh

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How am I gonna get a sub 30sec tart now

red coral
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I feel that haha

patent mesa
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what jokes are toeing the line

swift inlet
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The meg one I'd assume

patent mesa
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hm

warm nimbus
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to toe the line means to follow a rule or standard

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so that message doesnt really make sense lol

lean timber
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enough. d

patent mesa
tepid light
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i

lean timber
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wrong again

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you're not very good at these are you

unreal stirrup
tepid light
swift inlet
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Do I keep zeus call or sell it and swap to hades?

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Side note I really should've run pride but oh well

warm nimbus
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idk you can do either tbh

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are you going to reset if you dont get clockets

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also switch to hc

swift inlet
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I don't feel as comfy with eris as other aspects so idk

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delta is nice but useless since I want things to die

rustic vale
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Just hammer into cluster bomb ez

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Or anvil

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Anvil into delta fire clockets

warm nimbus
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especially since youre good enough at the game to do without thick skin at 6 heat

swift inlet
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scummed it out lmao

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2 casts = clockets

rustic vale
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scumming anvil into clockets 🧠

latent moon
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if i were to do thunder flare beo what other gods should i use

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i was thinking dem for funny cold fusion but i feel like i'd always be applying jolted anyways

swift inlet
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aphro attack for funny smair

latent moon
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oh right

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no dad call then i guess but thunder flare doesn't do any damage anyways lmao

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it'd be funny if i got splitting bolt on it

swift inlet
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I got splitting bolt on a zeus dash/call chiron build lol

latent moon
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lmfao amazing

swift inlet
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Funny numbers go brrrr

latent moon
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oh damn you had smair too

swift inlet
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It was incredibly funny

latent moon
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unfortunately chiron sucks

swift inlet
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I was amping mom pom I think

latent moon
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oh bruh lmfao

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explains the lvl 3 support fire

swift inlet
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Sea storm chiron is tied w nem wr

latent moon
swift inlet
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Imagine if support fire poms fired additional arrows

latent moon
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imagine if support fire was actually good

swift inlet
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It would be with this pom rework

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Level 5 -> 5 arrows per attack/cast/special

latent moon
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lvl 10 support fire would crash the game

swift inlet
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Imagine if zeus artemis duo instead made all artemis arrows do lightning damage

latent moon
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support fire duo lmfao

swift inlet
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🧠

latent moon
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that'd make it good i guess

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but also support fire bouldy

swift inlet
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Idk, it would only double the damage

latent moon
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i mean it might be good on rail i guess

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fists

swift inlet
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You'd have lightning/jolted stuff anyway

latent moon
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the issue would be getting support fire lmao

swift inlet
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Make support fire a t1

rustic vale
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Time to mod my switch for support fire the duo

rustic vale
swift inlet
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Make t2 boon "any artemis ability triggers marked"

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No it's a t2

latent moon
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i wish there was a mod that rebalanced a lot of the "bad" boons/aspects in the game

swift inlet
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You need a core or pp

latent moon
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wait how is support fire not a t1

rustic vale
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Lmfao it is a t2

latent moon
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bruh lmfao

rustic vale
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You can unlock it with pp zagluv

latent moon
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support fire duo rates plummet

rustic vale
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Ngl pp sf and hm would go crazy

latent moon
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zeus atk, arty special, support fire, get duo lmfao

swift inlet
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Arthur watching Rama and Beowulf being god tier

rustic vale
latent moon
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a nerf/fix to beo would be interesting to see but also it'd just run passion flare

swift inlet
latent moon
rustic vale
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make flurry slash faster

swift inlet
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Yeah but the hammers are legitimately awful

rustic vale
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make cursed slash less hp removed

swift inlet
rustic vale
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Make cruel thrust… nevermind cruel thrust on d-strike would go mega hard

latent moon
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make cruel thrust work on dstrikes but nerf the damage it gives

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and crit chance

swift inlet
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^

rustic vale
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make dedge… tredge

swift inlet
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But then

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cruel thrust drops nem stocks to 0

latent moon
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well no

swift inlet
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Zag sword becomes top tier

latent moon
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it'd still give crit chance and more crit damage

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just that if it works on dstrikes then it'd be too strong

rustic vale
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dash nova -> I don’t even know how to save it

latent moon
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uh

mint coral
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Make it snap nova for the funny

rustic vale
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double nova would be cool if you couldn’t interupt it with dash

latent moon
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lmfao

swift inlet
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p sure double nova triggers with a dash anyway

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Like

latent moon
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make hoarding slash calc the damage before modifiers

warm nimbus
rustic vale
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It interupts it

swift inlet
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The 2nd hit has happened while I was dashing

warm nimbus
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make it 39% cc and 199% damage

rustic vale
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The second hit has been interupted by my dashes

swift inlet
rustic vale
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100%

latent moon
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how much crit chance does nem give

swift inlet
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shackle 1000 gold strats

latent moon
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20?

swift inlet
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30?

warm nimbus
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30

swift inlet
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Yeah

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30

rustic vale
latent moon
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oh bruh with arty strike and cruel thrust it's just straight up 85% crit chance

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with massive buffed crits

warm nimbus
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yep

latent moon
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if it worked on dstrikes

swift inlet
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Yes but like

warm nimbus
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dr makes it 105%

swift inlet
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nemesis deserves it

latent moon
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it'd be funny if ME would still be faster on it

warm nimbus
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lmao theres no way

latent moon
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you'd think so

rustic vale
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Make dash nova and double nova cause you to dash nova twice in a row

warm nimbus
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also wr is shackle nem-> crit nem actually

latent moon
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wr for speed or heat

warm nimbus
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zoom

latent moon
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bruh

mint coral
rustic vale
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Make dash nova prok hyper sprint🧠🧠🧠

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Make world splitter cooler

latent moon
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wait dedge cruel thrust on nem bouldy

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that's big damage

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ngl DR nem would probably be a waste because the crit rate is already so high, just use heart rend

rustic vale
latent moon
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the crits also do +200% dont they

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for cruel thrust

rustic vale
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Cruel thrust makes your thrust do +200% additive

latent moon
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oh right

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that makes more sense

rustic vale
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Bye bye aphro strike

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hello arte strike

latent moon
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now i want to see this lmao

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mod the game to make aspects good

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namely just every sword (besides nem and maybe arthur) and every fist

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and chiron

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chiron's alright tho i guess

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spears need a rework too prob

rustic vale
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Let sword dash-> special then let dedge work on special

latent moon
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that's just dash nova, double nova, and super nova without the "removes knockback"

rustic vale
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🧠

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I really want to do double nova pos special with second wave now

latent moon
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"we removed 3 mediocre and bad hammers and combined them all into 1"

rustic vale
latent moon
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tempest strike bow

rustic vale
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tempest strike has bad % though so

latent moon
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okay but funny

rustic vale
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Triple shot flurry shot tempest strike second wave

latent moon
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based

rustic vale
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So long hades

rustic vale
latent moon
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blizzard shot hera

rustic vale
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blizzard shot zagluv

latent moon
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now i want to do that lmfao

rustic vale
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Flurry fire pos strike zag rail 🧠🧠🧠

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Pulv blow tempest strike zag shield

latent moon
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make eris a true castpect by running hunting blades on it

rustic vale
swift inlet
latent moon
swift inlet
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Wr for unmodded unseeded is a 6:17 ish ME

rustic vale
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Blizzard shot, lightning phalanx, meme beams, hunting blades, name them all

latent moon
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MEris but with phalanx shot

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and curse of pain

rustic vale
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Doom special into phalanx shot

latent moon
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yes

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like budget MEowulf

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doom atk into immediate phalanx flare

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doesn't need ddash

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MEowulf is basically a typical ME build but instead of wanting ddash you want phalanx flare

rustic vale
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Hmm

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Hoping for flurry fire zag rail w/ zeus attack and support fire at some point just for the funny

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eris should have intrinsic hazard bomb

latent moon
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does support fire have an internal cooldown

rustic vale
rustic vale
latent moon
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because i'd reckon that support fire would be decent on chiron

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yeah ofc

rustic vale
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I never learned what it was but it definitely has a cooldown

latent moon
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rip

rustic vale
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Rip

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I know the zeus cooldowns

latent moon
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.2 right

rustic vale
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.2 for bolts

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.15 for lightning strike iirc

latent moon
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oh huh

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didn't know there were 2

mental vale
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whats cold fusion internal cooldown 🤔

warm nimbus
swift inlet
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Ah

rustic vale
warm nimbus
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unmodded is specified if thats what is meant, generally

swift inlet
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Wait

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Are crits multiplicative

warm nimbus
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yes

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lmao

swift inlet
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Then that's why shackle went faster

warm nimbus
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yeah shackle nem just gives good damage right from the start

swift inlet
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Heart rend just buffs the crit by a bit

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It's 150% right

latent moon
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yea

rustic vale
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Takes your crits from 3x to 4.5x

swift inlet
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So 450% damage with hr

warm nimbus
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yeah

swift inlet
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Shackle doubles damage though so like

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If you're tripling that it's 6x

warm nimbus
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well normally with shackle nem you take off shackle by aspho/ely lmao

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its only so you have good damage in tart

rustic vale
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what heresy is this

mint coral
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A good heresy

warm nimbus
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then you try to build into crit nem or ME depending on what gods you get

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its a really cool strat

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whats even cooler is that its actually meta

latent moon
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is that true for every sword or just nem

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although i would assume that if it is true with every non-arthur sword the only option would be ME

warm nimbus
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just nem

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the others start ares attack for ME

latent moon
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interesting

signal aspen
warm nimbus
signal aspen
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So true

swift inlet
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Is that fr

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Leaderboards look fat af

signal aspen
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There's like 5 unmodded runs and 900 modded runs

rustic vale
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Bl**d and Drknss

warm nimbus
swift inlet
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Also

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Bruh

warm nimbus
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you can safely assume that when somebody references a top time its modded unless specified otherwise

swift inlet
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I just restarted the same seed but with hera + pride over legacy

signal aspen
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There's still new runners who play unmodded

swift inlet
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😩

latent moon
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lmao get muted speedrun any%

signal aspen
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But then after like a month they switch to modded 🗿

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
signal aspen
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@swift inlet You're posting links too fast.

warm nimbus
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@swift inlet You're posting links too fast.

latent moon
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@swift inlet You're posting links too fast.

signal aspen
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Lmfao actually got muted

warm nimbus
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yep

latent moon
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lmfao

warm nimbus
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classic dyno bouldy

snow skiff
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You're posting links too fast.

warm nimbus
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tries to post 2 images
one gets deleted
tries to post it again
muted

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what an amazing system

rustic vale
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Truly a bl*^d and d#rkn{ss moment

latent moon
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bl**d and d*rkn*ss moment

signal aspen
latent moon
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god dammit i give up trying to edit that

rustic vale
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I think Bl**d and Drknss is funnier

latent moon
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got it

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smh

warm nimbus
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_ _

rustic vale
swift inlet
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😔

rustic vale
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bl**d and d*rkn*ss moment

swift inlet
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Unmodded is actually beyond demotivating wow

lean timber
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not true

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unmodded is fun and pushes me to be better

swift inlet
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What's the duo chance without legacy

lean timber
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1% i think

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but it rolls first so it's an even 1%

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nah it can't be 1% it's probably like 5%?

patent mesa
signal aspen
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You can still get common boons from minibosses

patent mesa
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yeah but too complicated

signal aspen
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Just not in tart minibosses iirc bouldy

patent mesa
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yeah or styx

signal aspen
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Funny game

patent mesa
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in aspho and ely it's 95% rare

swift inlet
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Legendary and duo are the same chance-

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Huh

lean timber
signal aspen
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No that's actually how it works

lean timber
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bru

warm nimbus
swift inlet
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I was told there's more modded runs

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Instead I see way more unmodded ones

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🤔

lean timber
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this server is full of cheaters don't get it twisted

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the majority of runs are unmod

warm nimbus
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like 90%

swift inlet
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😩

lean timber
swift inlet
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I might just do that bc like

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Hammers are insane

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If we could reroll hammers maybe it wouldn't be so hellish

warm nimbus
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its really nice being able to get a build

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and you dont have to deal with being on a great pace then getting 3 sacked

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or barged

snow skiff
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hades patch where it literally just adds the speedrunning modpack to the base game

warm nimbus
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thatd be sooo based

snow skiff
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removes getting sacked and barged on td3 yrotciv

lean timber
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i disagree i like getting sack tapped

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i enjoy fighting king rat

snow skiff
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stockholm syndrome

lean timber
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:))

patent mesa
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if TD3 forced 2 sack would it be meta for unmodded

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I think I would probably run it

latent moon
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How long are typical sack tunnels

swift inlet
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Aaaand of course Athena offers an attack trade instead of ddash

latent moon
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Ik they're different lengths but like on average

lean timber
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like 4 + end chamber

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probably

latent moon
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Because I feel like it'd be meta for consistent runs but not for like good runs

latent moon
high island
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All tunnels are 4-5 chambers.

lean timber
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oh total? maybe 30s - 45s max?

latent moon
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Losing a free room for a guaranteed 2 sack is questionable

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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is survival room guaranteed on TD0

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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I always assumed it was a chance

warm nimbus
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sadly not

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it seems to be like 1/2-1/3

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but idk the actual chance

patent mesa
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that question shows how much I speedrun lmao

warm nimbus
#

yeah lmao

#

you high heat players

lean timber
#

it's like a 25% chance

#

overall

#

or something

warm nimbus
#

damn really

#

wait is that like an actual number you know or are you just pulling something out of your ass like me

signal aspen
#

Sounds about right tbh

snow skiff
#

i was working on tying arthur 57 but that thing is agonizing

latent moon
#

Third or fourth at least

#

Doesn't seem like 50%

warm nimbus
#

yeah 50% too high youre right

lean timber
#

it's absolutely not 50%

#

i don't believe 33% is correct

warm nimbus
#

33% seems more correct than 25%

lean timber
#

it's between the two we can say that

#

low either way

warm nimbus
#

yeah

#

@night rampart idk im just pinging you to ask if you know

lean timber
#

why would some rando know

#

lol he barely talks in here

rustic vale
#

Ah yes

#

Cgull is some rando

#

If you rng manip anvil hard enough you can guarantee a 2 sack

#

People who find hermes in styx in shambles rn

lean timber
#

people who don't find hermes at all:

rustic vale
#

people who don’t find hermes were born in shambles

#

It’s like zag who always ends up back in hades

#

But with them it’s shambles

warm nimbus
lean timber
#

le epic troll has arrived

latent moon
#

Cgull more like

#

Seagull haha

rustic vale
#

Cgull more like

#

Gcllu

#

0 of the time am I a goober

lean timber
#

bruh two days ago

#

ayo come look at this dude he cares what people think

rustic vale
#

Oh no I remember things multiple days after they happen and feel the need to respond to them

#

Maybe the real goober was the friends we made along the way

lean timber
#

the real goober was the king rat we killed fifteen times along the way

warm nimbus
lean timber
#

i dropped a fry.

snow skiff
#

Ewwwwwwww

lean timber
#

what's that emote

#

hmm

rustic vale
#

acorn is viable

lean timber
#

excuse me this was before heat

#

leave me alone

rustic vale
#

Can’t believe you thought acorn wasn’t viable smh

#

I definitely never thought that it wasn’t viable

latent moon
rustic vale
#

YES

lean timber
#

i'm going to kill you with a rock i think

rustic vale
#

hmm

#

you won't have success unless that rock is bouldy

warm nimbus
#

lol matty remember that one time you went from like 8 to 40 in 2 days or whatever

latent moon
#

oh yeah lmao

#

"hm somenoobdying did hera 32 heat i'll do that too"

#

goes for 40

rustic vale
#

I should start going for 64

latent moon
#

do it

#

coward

snow skiff
#

unmodded 64 gaming

rustic vale
#

I think more people need to be informed of this

snow skiff
#

63 heat without 1.2.0 - M when

high island
#

Master Chaos's pronouns are they/them.

#

🔫 dusa

rustic vale
#

this was the hera 40 run right shadesmile

rustic vale
#

and he got informed of the pronouns like immediately after

high island
still egret
#

I had a thought.

high island
rustic vale
#

matty got informed of the pronouns immediately after*

rustic vale
high island
#

I know.

still egret
#

For all intents and purposes, Zag trying to escape the underworld is basically something he and everyone is doing for the rest of eternity right?

high island
#

Everyone?

still egret
#

How would things in the underworld and our favorite gods change in the modern day? Would things even change at all?

high island
#

We don't know for how long he's going to do that. It's his current job.

still egret
latent moon
#

he's the only one trying to escape

still egret
latent moon
#

i mean i guess it's implied others have tried before considering there's a whole system and there's dead bodies in styx

still egret
rustic vale
#

It’s always 7:48

latent moon
#

oh true

#

it's always 7:48

still egret
#

I'm getting the feeling I can't have an actual hypothetical conversation here...

rustic vale
#

I’m being silly

#

And factual

#

At the same time

still egret
#

Aight whatever.

high island
still egret
#

I got other stuff to do

night rampart
high island
#

I suppose the Adamant Rail would receive a lot of buffs from then until the modern day.

rustic vale
#

Can’t wait for hazard bomb to change into hydrogen bomb

#

Aspect of rifleman when?

latent moon
#

adamant rail got a huge nerf with muskets

rustic vale
#

Aspect of smith and wesson?

warm nimbus
#

is there a list of eligible rooms?

latent moon
#

and you move slower while reloading, cannot dash

warm nimbus
#

and it still somehow does less damage than a single arrow

latent moon
#

60% chance of not hitting the target

warm nimbus
#

1% chance of backfire instantly killing you

latent moon
#

each level of the aspect increases that % by 1

warm nimbus
#

yeah

#

i like this aspect

latent moon
#

a true skill based aspect

lean timber
#

i want you to say it

#

feather duster

#

who was right

latent moon
#

ur mum

#

haha gottem

lean timber
#

ratio

warm nimbus
#

about what

lean timber
latent moon
#

i think about who was closer to survival room chances

#

you said 1/3 felt more correct than 1/4

warm nimbus
lean timber
#

i hate you

warm nimbus
#

because we need a list of eligible rooms

#

lmao

#

and that list actually depends on the previous rooms youve seen

lean timber
#

i can't get no satisfaction

warm nimbus
#

so actually not really possible to calculate

lean timber
#

hi cgull :3

night rampart
warm nimbus
night rampart
#

Look idk

#

The small ones

#

And the really long one

warm nimbus
#

ok so lets do some sketchy math to get a ballpark estimate which isnt what we need

night rampart
#

And the big L one

#

It’s roughly 30% in tart I think

lean timber
#

NO

warm nimbus
#

30%?

night rampart
#

When you take into account skips and such

lean timber
#

NOOOOOOOO

warm nimbus
#

got it

lean timber
#

TAKE IT BAAAAACK

latent moon
#

lmfao

night rampart
#

That’s not a real number but it’s how I always think of it at least

lean timber
#

fine, you win grr

warm nimbus
#

well

#

we can safely say its in the 25-35% range

#

so were no better than when we started off

#

but thanks anyways lmao

#

interesting info

night rampart
#

I mean you can get a basic function for odds of survival given X eligible combats from 8 to 12

high island
#

30% is a real number.

lean timber
high island
#

30i is not a real number.

lean timber
#

on this note i think the worst survival room is the one with the two long gaps, single exit, you can see the river below. it's pretty small to begin with + the gaps are very annoying to get around without taking a hit or two

#

no wait

#

that was a trove

#

nvm

#

God lmao

warm nimbus
#

ok so assuming that every room is eligible and you cant get any other free rooms in 8-12 we can get an upper bound of 78% i think

#

so you dont get survival rooms more than 78% of the time for sure

#

im also tired so i have no idea if this is even correct

night rampart
#

Maybe 30 was low idk I’m tired but anecdotally it’s less than half when all is said and done

#

Bleh

#

Jajajajajaja

warm nimbus
#

ok and we can also get a lower bound of 0% (shop midboss chaos sisyphus fountain)

#

so we can safely say that you get it more than 0% of the time on average

#

nice to know

#

its up to someone else who wants to do the math to narrow down the range from 0-78%

lean timber
#

sorry king not doing the math on that rn

#

i'm going to pretend i'm right, cope, and go to bed

latent moon
#

bruh i just got offered another defiance boon from chaos

#

also +63% cast damage from chaos

#

good thing im using thunder flare

latent moon
#

if i'm trying to go zoom on passion beo, is it worth trying to highroll for smair or should i keep it open for sigil

high island
#

Passion Flare, Snow Burst, Mirage Shot would be best.

latent moon
#

i mean yeah

#

i get that

#

but i'm being offered zeus now

#

would an early smair be faster than a late mirage

#

because i think i'm more likely to find smair earlier than mirage

warm nimbus
#

you generally get more use out of sigil on beo anyways because of the burst damage

#

and the fact that +% is really good on casts

#

also, zeus just generally doesnt have very good boons for beo

#

no unpommables and no synergies

high island
#

Smair can be great. I'd probably skip if I don't have Snow Burst yet and depending on what the other exits are.

#

Like if it's Lady Artemis, Lady Demeter, or Poseidon, I'll definitely take those.

latent moon
#

just finished c5 rn, other exit is a pom and i already have lvl 2 passion

high island
#

I'd grab pom probably.

#

Maybe go for Lord Zeus depending on my mood, but normally I'd grab Pom.

latent moon
#

fair enough

#

got ares miniboss lmao should i force 5 gods this run or just get snow burst

high island
#

Just get Snow Burst. Worry a bit less about the build tbh and just look at your pace. If pace is bad, reset. If pace is good, keep going.

#

Urge to Kill isn't entirely bad. Even Curse of Agony can actually be useful. I mean it's not optimal but it's damage.

latent moon
#

true my goal is just sub10 so i should be fine

#

none of that was offered for me lol i got the one where you deal more damage after using DD

high island
#

Lol I guess that gives Cast damage too.

latent moon
#

not likely to lose a DD on any fights tho so it's pretty worthless

#

and considering i'm running PS i'm prob gonna purge it because it's epic

#

since mirage and snow burst are out of the question for this run unless i force 5 gods, is it worth picking up arty at all? i'd assume no

high island
latent moon
#

i do play aggressively, they just don't hit me lmao

#

can't take damage if you one shot them

high island
#

Is Lady Artemis in your pool?

latent moon
#

i can buy her from tart endshop

high island
#

Yeah, get Attack.

latent moon
#

wait nvm i'm broke bouldy

#

i misread my gold

lean timber
#

poor

high island
#

Bruh.

lean timber
#

bruh moment

high island
#

Broke commoners wasting my time like that smh.

lean timber
#

imagine not having 150 gold

latent moon
#

i have 200 now because i sold an epic boon

#

and bought yarn

lean timber
#

run back and buy it then

latent moon
#

if only

lean timber
#

no reason you can't go back thru the doors, they're literally unguarded

latent moon
#

true

high island
#

What if the chambers you exit already moved.

#

We know the place constantly changes.

lean timber
#

oh shoot

#

maybe you go back and nothing is there, you just fall directly into the river styx and immediately die

#

that would be a run killer huh

high island
#

Dying tends to be a killer, yeah.

latent moon
#

bruh i'm being forced to take zeus now lmfao

#

very cool game

high island
#

? I thought you skipped him before.

latent moon
#

yeah i did

high island
#

And took Frostbitten Horn.

lean timber
#

nothin wrong with cshot lightning strike... right...?

latent moon
#

yeah i did

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

took eury, then that lead to zeus fountain

lean timber
#

odd

latent moon
#

that's my fourth time seeing his boon come up lmao

high island
#

And you said your god pool was already full.

latent moon
#

well now it is

lean timber
#

he said "no mf, you're taking my help"

latent moon
#

aphro start, forced into ares, got dem, now forced into zeus

high island
#

Ah right.

lean timber
#

vengeful mood time

#

clearly

latent moon
#

i dont even have an ares boon i sold it

lean timber
#

L

latent moon
#

now im about to take epic thunder dash to sell lmao

high island
#

It's 6:27 a.m., thinking is for other people with more sleep. dusa

latent moon
#

fair

lean timber
#

the scuffest of scuffed runs

high island
#

Why would you purge? Keep for Static Discharge.

latent moon
#

oh true

high island
#

Don't purge boons that do damage.

lean timber
#

yeah, purge rare crop instead

latent moon
#

epic rav will or snow burst very cool dem

high island
#

Snow Burst.

latent moon
#

can i take both

high island
#

Yeah.

latent moon
#

yeah for sure snurst but bouldy

lean timber
#

yeah

high island
#

One after the other.

latent moon
#

guess i'll just have to get the boons™️

high island
#

Yeah.

lean timber
#

if you do four frame perfect inputs you can get both

high island
#

Unfortunate that a Ryu player wouldn't be able to do something so complex.

latent moon
#

i misread the door and took an aphro dem trial instead of aphro miniboss bouldy very cool

high island
#

Now you can get Ravenous Will after proving your devotion to Lady Aphrodite.

#

And then just get sub 10 with a trial.

latent moon
#

sub10 is pretty easy rn i think

#

entering c34 at 6:06

high island
#

Well, yeah, you're using Beowulf. dusa

latent moon
#

lmao true

#

also epic rd

high island
latent moon
#

crying

swift inlet
#

Has anyone dealt with a bug where interact key doesn't work

latent moon
#

pick up your casts

#

then it should work

#

i'm assuming you're using beo

#

or hera

lean timber
#

i have never ever had a problem with interact not working if my casts were loose

high island
#

It's a known bug.

high island
lean timber
#

on what sorts of things?

#

what does it fail on

#

because doors always work fine

high island
#

You can't pick up the reward.

lean timber
#

???

#

haven't had a single issue with it

#

my casts are always laying around and i grab it just fine. wonder if it's switch being funky

latent moon
#

it's a very rare bug

#

considering how many times you interact with stuff while casts are laying around is super high

lean timber
#

"known bug" vs "very rare bug" paint entirely different pictures lmao

#

in probably 96%+ of my chambers i have free casts somewhere when i collect reward

high island
#

"Known" doesn't imply anything about rarity except that it's happened at least once.

lean timber
latent moon
#

I think it's happened to me twice

high island
#

I've had that happen quite a few more times than that.

feral belfry
#

Is it aspect dependent

high island
#

Just something you'll run into eventually if you do enough runs.

latent moon
#

i think it's just hera and beo?

high island
#

I think we concluded it was something to do with loading a Cast at the exact same time the last enemy dies... but I might be misremembering.

feral belfry
#

Ah

#

Never use hera

warm nimbus
#

thats how the bug happebns 99% of the time so you can force it

latent moon
#

lmao force the bug so you're forever locked

warm nimbus
#

i mean you just pick up your casts and its fine lol

high island
#

I mean you can just pick up the bloodstones and you're good to go.

feral belfry
#

I mean you just pick up shooty red crystal

high island
#

I remember that happening in I think it was a Hermes Cup one time lol. Best time for rare bugs that slow you down to happen. Thankfully we already knew about it and what to do when it happens by then.

latent moon
#

they held races for this game? when was that

high island
#

Are Hyper Delivery races not a thing anymore?

#

I never followed them, only watched Hermes Cups a couple times when Lady Aphrodite was there as a guest.

#

I know Hyper Delivery was still a thing like about a year ago.

latent moon
#

i never knew people held races for hades lmao

#

i just assumed the most people did was speedran but not like actual races

high island
#

That's basically the origin of the speedrun modpack.

latent moon
#

oh interesting

high island
#

Nobody wants to see races where one person gets 2-sack and the other gets 5-sack lol.

latent moon
#

lmao that's fair

high island
#

And then as people were practicing with the modpack for the races they were like hey you know, this is much more comfy for practice and I don't need to reset all the time, why can't I always play like this. And then started comparing modded times etc.

raw herald
gusty kelp
#

hades gets taunted by fish

unreal stirrup
#

Is it just me or is Merciful End completely funking unreliable on the adamant rail

high island
unreal stirrup
#

I meant coz the slow rate

high island
#

Merciful End is mainly used on melee weapons with Doom on Attack and Divine Dash to proc Merciful End immediately with a Dash-Strike.

#

So you can somewhat do that with Doom on Spread Fire and Divine Dash.

#

Downside is that Divine Dash doesn't count as a prerequisite for Merciful End. So you have to get Divine Flourish first.

#

Which makes the build a little inconsistent because you need so many specific boons to make it work.

#

Still fairly consistent if you're experienced and still plenty strong even if you don't end up getting Merciful End, but there are plenty of builds that are easier to get running.

lean timber
#

ME hera zagluv

sly ridge
#

does the heat bar have to be full for me to get new rewards for beating the boss of an underworld

lean timber
#

yes

#

it increases by 1 each time you get a bounty so you can't run the same heat and get another reward

lean timber
#

cloner linker shifter bruiser savior speeder hades

swift inlet
#

My brother in christ he already is shifter

#

Darkness

acoustic bolt
#

does anyone else feel like at higher heats the furies are the hardest boss sans EM4?

#

i swear i die to them more at 34 than any other enemy. just so weak at that point

latent moon
#

I mean probably because it's just tart and you'll only have like 3 or 4 boons

#

And a good chance none of them synergize with one another

#

Not difficult but def not easy either

acoustic bolt
#

i find their attacks to be really hard to dodge too. especially tisiphone. like part of it is impatiance but that impatience is from having less than a minute left ot kill them XD

lean timber
swift inlet
#

Tisiphone is the worst one hands down

#

The stuns are infuriatingly long

latent moon
#

just get unshakeable mettle in tart

#

and then sell it

swift inlet
#

Speaking of which

#

I love when you're forced into a full god pool when you still have another god you want to get

lean timber
#

simply sell the unwanted god's boons to remove them from your pool.

swift inlet
#

Wish that was a thing but underworld customs exists and it would ruin heat runs more

remote iris
#

aspect of lucifer sucks ass

lean timber
#

you aren't using it right

remote iris
#

"you aren't using it right"🤓

#

/j

#

how do i use it right

lean timber
#

the general idea is to launch the hellfire, then detonate it with your attack

#

better yet, use triple bomb and just mash special so they auto-detonate

remote iris
#

triple bomb would probably go hard with it

lean timber
#

triple bomb is the uncontested best hammer for it

swift inlet
#

Simply use eternal super soaker

lean timber
#

it's extremely powerful at max level + with a good god behind it

remote iris
#

i am number one aspect of rama stan

swift inlet
#

Why do that when you can use Eris or hestia and either break your wrists or mash the keyboard with your brain off

lean timber
#

RAMA YEAAAAH

#

i love rama

warm nimbus
#

they are still hard though

#

but lernie champs and dad are all way harder for sure

lean timber
#

lernie is probably 2nd easiest and it's probably close but the heads all doing their own thing makes it quite hard to avoid being hurt. his hp is sufficiently low tho

swift inlet
#

The heads throwing out hitboxes before you can even hit them is a big issue

#

Or if you're running melee, when the trans lernie heads just sit in the lava for 10 minutes

inland shell
#

I think it would be a good idea to release the Hades documentary on Steam as well

lean timber
#

trans camper lernie says no to melee aspect rights

latent moon
#

Trans lernie won't catch these hands

old belfry
#

200 runs, and em3 theseus/minotaur will occasionally still just hammer me down

latent moon
#

It do be like that sometimes

old belfry
#

either they are the quickest boss of the run, or I choke hard af and just lose 2 DDs in a minute

rocky socket
#

So,Does crit from aspect of nemesis stack with artemis's boons?

patent mesa
atomic sorrel
#

Is there anyone who has come as close to 100% the game as possible?

I mean doing everything. Getting all of the really expensive cosmetics, all of that

patent mesa
signal aspen
#

I've done it

#

Except for the codex

#

I hate fishing

patent mesa
#

based

#

also collecting red onions sucks when you don't tank purposely

atomic sorrel
patent mesa
#

plenty

signal aspen
#

Just get the maxed save on src

warm nimbus
#

yeah a lot of people have done it

patent mesa
#

lol max save doesn't have all badges or even mom bond

warm nimbus
#

its not that much of a time commitment

patent mesa
#

sad

#

nor codex completion

signal aspen
#

Maxed save is a scam

pastel monolith
#

i have 100% hades as much as can be done besides my own personal goals and challenges

#

i even got the max ranking at the director or whatever its callled

#

i have like 700-800 hrs of gameplay

#

lots of grinding for darkness at the end

#

when ur save file is that old it starts to get buggy a little . thats why speedrunners use pre existing save files

#

like sometimes theres weird delay when trying to open a door to the next chamber

warm nimbus
#

yep

#

after ~2500 runs it starts to stop saving and thats pretty much when you have to stop playing on a file entirely

lean timber
#

why doesn't someone just upload a new maxed file that's truly maxed

swift inlet
#

I've never heard of that damn

warm nimbus
#

because nobody needs to

lean timber
#

L

remote iris
wraith sand
#

just got my first sub 20 bounceline

red coral
#

Congrats!

mint coral
#

Gaming

patent mesa
#

nice ce

wraith sand
#

thanks lads

high island
#

Nice! Congratulations! dusa

hollow urchin
#

not sure what i did but when i throw my uhhh crystal thingy it goes into my body and this confuses me

terse geyser
hollow urchin
#

no? im using the beowulf shield

terse geyser
#

ah

hollow urchin
#

does the beowulf shield do that?

terse geyser
#

charge an attack rq

#

see what happens

hollow urchin
#

woah

terse geyser
#

cool, right?

#

it's a fun shield

hollow urchin
#

thats neat i guess kinda annoying i lose my gem thing

terse geyser
#

true

#

boiling blood is a good buff

#

but

#

still a neat mechanic

signal aspen
#

Losing boiling blood on a cast centered weapon zagsad

hollow urchin
#

its neat all i can say

#

though i wish i knew that before i chose the cast boon

terse geyser
#

good for burst damage

#

allegedly

#

(also actually)

hollow urchin
#

can you load up more than 1 crystal?

#

im using the recharging crystal so i feel kinda lacking

lean timber
#

you have to run the other option

#

stygian soul

#

you can load as many as you want

#

it's pretty busted

high island
rustic vale
high island
#

Infernal Soul is generally better unless you're using Trippy Flare. If you're already in a run with Stygian Soul, try to get extra Casts from Master Chaos asap.

#

And also check Wells of Charon for Prometheus Stones.

patent mesa
#

stygian sucks don't buy it

#

all the homies hate stygian

warm nimbus
#

ew stygian

#

makes tarts slower 😔

patent mesa
#

wait no

wraith sand
#

tarts are delicious

signal aspen
#

Tart sucks don't buy it

tepid light
#

Nyaa is a catgirl

#

This has been a PSA

rustic vale
#

Don’t buy styx

warm nimbus
rustic vale
#

Bl**d and drknss

#

Bl**d and drknss >>>> bl**d and d*rkn*ss