h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

How come whenever I want to play zeus I never find him

Even when I don’t want to mainly play him I get 1 core then he never shows up again

SGG fix my rng

[latent moon]

i mean it's still good dps still tbh

[rustic vale]

so

I was playing demeter special on demeter fists

But now I’m been offered a trade deal

By artemis

My epic frost special for a heroic arte special

[latent moon]

what's your main atk

zeus?

[rustic vale]

Athena

[latent moon]

bruh lmao

i mean

[rustic vale]

Tbh

[latent moon]

it's probably better tbh

but also like

[rustic vale]

I got forced into athena attack

[latent moon]

does rarity really matter on arty tho

[rustic vale]

well

+100% special

and 20% crit chance

[latent moon]

oh that's kinda chunky

[rustic vale]

And possible deadly reversal

[latent moon]

yeah i'd do it

[rustic vale]

119 jolted

[latent moon]

@rustic vale do super soaker guan yu

[high island]

It's better than no Call, but unless you pick up Killing Freeze, it's just there for the Chill and not doing any meaningful damage.

[latent moon]

is viscous skewer compatible with Achilles or no

[rustic vale]

Yes

[latent moon]

very cool

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/995629092147826708/IMG_1882.jpg

Thats a very old victory screen

[latent moon]

gross you already did it

um

dire misfortune chiron

[rustic vale]

Oh man

That sounds painful

[latent moon]

yeah lmao

[rustic vale]

I’ll grab food then start

[latent moon]

i remember seeing on reddit someone doing curse of longing on chiron with ares atk aphro special

and i was like "seems vaguely backwards but fair enough dire misfortune isn't easy to get"

[rustic vale]

I mean

I don’t think that’s backwards

Would rather have % special

[latent moon]

i mean if you get dire misfortune you can get fat doom procs

[rustic vale]

Is dire misfortune or Merciful end the one that adds flat damage

to the doom

One of them does

Maybe both

[latent moon]

ME says it adds 40 or something right

[rustic vale]

Yes

[latent moon]

and dire misfortune says something like, +12 per consecutive doom hit

[rustic vale]

+10(+2 per rarity past common) iirc

[latent moon]

both are flat damage then right

[rustic vale]

I think so

Rather than base doom damage

so unaffected by impending

[latent moon]

randy wants to know if dashing flight is + base damage

and if it's compatible with chaos

[rustic vale]

No

[rustic vale]

Yes

[rustic vale]

Nevermind I need to go bed bed then wake up in 5 hours I’m not playing another run

[latent moon]

coward

[rustic vale]

Definitely

[rustic vale]

So it turns out my +247% massive quick spin spear build is better at beyblading than fo2 asterius

I

Really just died to heroes

tbf it was quick spin massive spin meme build but

and I did lose all my dds in asphodel becuase I was trying to only spin but

[brisk trail]

heroes as in theseus and asterius?

[rustic vale]

yes

I can’t believe I actually died

So I start out poseidon special demeter, as one does, and I see an aphrodite boon and I’m like bet maybe I’ll get passion dash or something idk and now I’m leaving tart with the most loaded build I’ve ever left tart with

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1016995846031675472/IMG_2168.jpg

[rustic vale]

Lmao second phase of dad was over in 25 seconds

[round summit]

This maybe too much to ask, but can someone recommend me which pacts should I combine together in one run, but not make it impossible to do? I want to get the trophy which requires you to beat the game having used every pact at least once

*I'm not too bad at the game for a newbie, but not the best so if anyonr can answer with that in mind, I'd be super thankful

[rustic vale]

You could just do a lot of runs with one or 2 active at a time

[round summit]

I mean, yes, but I already knew this. That is kind of why I asked the question so I don't have to do tons and tons of runs

And maybe get better at the same time

[rustic vale]

As a newbie you probable shouldn’t combine jury summons, calethenicd program, damage control or forced overtime

How fast is your average run at this point?

in game time

[round summit]

I only had two clears so far, but at the end first one was 37 and second 32 mins. Not sure if that was in-game time you meant?

[rustic vale]

At the end of the run it tells you how long it took ingame time so like not counting free rooms or pausing or picking boons time

[round summit]

Yep then that's it

[rustic vale]

So maybe I wouldn’t combine tight deadline with any of the above mentioned pact conditions either

[round summit]

I suppose it's gradually going to be faster, but not sure how much

[round summit]

Noted!

Thank you

[rustic vale]

Damage control, jury summons and calethenics program are going to make your run longer

hard labour, lasting consequences, and forced overtime are going to make your run harder

[rustic vale]

Longer also equals harder

more chances to get hit and more chances to die

[round summit]

Of course. I suppose it's only a matter of time before I truly get the hang of it

But I found the Hera bow to be extremely good for not getting hit so much

After using the sword, it's a good change 😅

[rustic vale]

Bow in general is pretty good for not getting hit

unless you’re doing shotgun strats with triple shot

artemis attack passion dash heart rend triple shot zag bow

[round summit]

Seems like fun

Tho I had flurry shot when I played, but I see how the shotgun might be pulled off

[rustic vale]

Shotgun can be pulled off ez with or without flurry shot

Dash striking is the key to non-flurry shot bow

[round summit]

Just get in their face?

[rustic vale]

you still dash strike on flurry shot bow a lot

No

Dash strike in general

It charges faster

[round summit]

No I meant for the shotgun triple shot heh

[round summit]

I have to learn to pull this off better

[rustic vale]

Oh yes

Dash into their face on shotgun bow

Dash strike

Win

[rustic vale]

Becomes muscle memory after lots of play

[round summit]

Ez pz

[rustic vale]

Bow is a rythym game

Tbh I can’t think of a weapon you aren’t dash striking with

Guan-yu but that’s just because guan-yu you’re only using special

oh or lucifer because that literally cannot dash strike

[round summit]

Don't think I know which one you're referring to

[rustic vale]

It’s hidden

[round summit]

Oh like the aspects, gotcha

[rustic vale]

yes

Forgot spoilers

[round summit]

No worries, don't really care much

[rustic vale]

Guan-yu is hidden spear and lucifer is hidden rail and they are the only weapons you probabky wouldn’t be dash striking on

Guan-yu because you aren’t really striking anyways

lucifer because it can’t

[round summit]

One question tho, maybe put answer in spoilers for others if that's required, but how do I get the hidden aspects of weapons?

[rustic vale]

So you first need 5 titans blood in non-zagreus aspects of the spear

then get good rng talking to achilles

then it’s just 5 titans blood in any aspect of a weapon, talk to correct person while wielding weapon to get the first dialogue, then talk to them again and again to get the final dialogue

[round summit]

Got it, thank you

So I can chug titan blood in, say, aspect of Achilles and just go find him later and talk to him?

[rustic vale]

Sword is talking to nyx, fists is talking to asterius, shield is talking to chaos, bow is talking to artemis, and rail is talking to zeus iirc

[void vigil]

thats incorrect - to unlock guan yu specifically you need to unlock 5 separate aspects, not just in the spear

[rustic vale]

wait not just spear

What

I thought it was non-zag aspects

[void vigil]

right, across all weapons

[rustic vale]

Oh

[void vigil]

spear doesnt have 5 aspects

[rustic vale]

Makes sense

no you put 5 titans blood into spear

Like achilles or hades

Is what I had meant

Not 5 aspects

[round summit]

This is what I read it like

[void vigil]

but thats not how you unlock guan yu 😅 its how you unlock every other aspect after guan yu is unlocked

[rustic vale]

True

still hung up on the confusion about 5 aspects

[round summit]

Is Guan yu the first hidden aspect you can get?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[void vigil]

yeah

[round summit]

Aaaah now it makes sense

[void vigil]

putting 5 blood into spear will do nothing, is what im saying

[round summit]

Thanks guys

[rustic vale]

?

[void vigil]

because to unlock gy, you need to unlock 5 different aspects, not put 5 blood into spear, iirc

[rustic vale]

oh wait

yeah

Just checked wiki

You right

[round summit]

Hm, so Chaos or Zeus shield then?

[rustic vale]

Zeus

Chaos is literally aspectless

well

Literally is an exaggeration

But not much of one

[karmic gulch]

Where do i get to find "Excruciating" Curse?

Im close to Finish Primordial banes lol

[raw herald]

Chaos

[karmic gulch]

Also AYO i managed to Beat a run Without losing any lives

[void vigil]

it doesnt have any special requirements, youll find it eventually

[rustic vale]

Literally nothing special about finding it in particular

[karmic gulch]

Ah

[swift inlet]

Gy does special -> 2 dash strikes for damage though

[swift inlet]

Zeus is better overall, but Chaos is more new player friendly

[strong ridge]

just use zeus

[round summit]

Thanks, I unlocked Zeus

[swift inlet]

It takes some learning but can be really insane

I've been playing mostly beo with shields but I'm planning on practicing Zeus

[round summit]

And got the first hidden aspect successfully, now I have to figure out how tf to clear a run with that

[swift inlet]

You should upgrade it fully before you try that

Iirc the penalty goes from 70% less health to 50% less

[round summit]

Yeah the health penalty is... something

[swift inlet]

It's actually really safe at lower heat levels

You have 2 ranged options and decent flexibility with hammers

Plus infinite healing with special spam

[round summit]

Will try that for sure, have to use every weapon anyway

[swift inlet]

You don't HAVE to

I've done a bit over 200 runs and still haven't touched zag/hades spear

Barely played zeus, did one super soaker luci run, etc

Just play whatever you enjoy

[latent moon]

That doesn't heal

[swift inlet]

Oops

Charge

lbr gy special is basically the main attack 🧠

spin is the special

[round summit]

No, but it would be nice to fulfill the prophecy and finish game with every weapon (but not every aspect, I don't really care about that)

[rustic vale]

If you haven’t beat the game with every aspect using shackle for the whole run something went wrong with your hades experience

[round summit]

So when going for guan-yu I just get boons and upgrade my special?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Get charged skewer

[swift inlet]

Attack still appreciates having a good % boon on it

[rustic vale]

Use artemis or aphrodite special

[swift inlet]

Aphrodite attack with Artemis special is very good and also opens heart rend

So your crits do even more damage

[round summit]

Artemis is really cool imo

[rustic vale]

Just need special damage from chaos

[swift inlet]

She's one of the best gods universally imo

Even if you don't want any of her cores she has very good support

[high island]

I wrote a Guan Yu guide if you're interested. #h1-discussion message

[swift inlet]

Athena best god fr though

[round summit]

Fax

[swift inlet]

Helps low level play and is really good at high heat too

Merciful end isn't very reliable but bc of it she's even good for speedrunning with melee

[silver nimbus]

is there any mod to make the keepsake upgrades to be less number of encounters

[swift inlet]

Probably

That would be hilarious though

Level 35 aphro cast hera

[high island]

Ask in the Hades Modding discord. There's a pin in #self-promotion. If it doesn't exist yet, they can probably make it very quickly.

[wraith sand]

hm

is %attack up justifiable on max lvl zeus special

[latent moon]

i'm assuming from chaos onto zeus shield?

i mean it's probably one of the better things you can get from chaos on zeus shield other than base atk

[raw herald]

It’s decent enough but Zeus special is just better

[wraith sand]

i meant for boons in general

[latent moon]

% bonus on zeus special is not great

so yeah go for zeus^2

[wraith sand]

or ME

[latent moon]

or that

[primal cloud]

I just almost beat Theseus and the Minotaur 😨 Died just before finishing 🥲

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[bitter anvil]

It took me multiple runs to get used to the theseus and minotaur fight, after I did I can usually do it almost hitless now

EM 3 theseus and minotaur?

Not a chance

[tepid light]

That's how I was as well

You'll get accustomed to the fights faster than you think

even with things like em3 and em4

They're still hard ofc, but you'll be utterly destroyed by them less and less as time goes on

[high island]

Review your builds and find more damage if you're struggling with EM3.

[rich gulch]

What did that Steam guide recommend again?

Get FAST with Hermes. That's how you win.

[high island]

Well.

Epic Greatest Reflex certainly helps.

[rich gulch]

Epic Side Hustle is a must-have.

[signal aspen]

Start with Ares' Keepsake. Go for Boons that inflict DOOM and at least another status effect.
Power up my Attack and Special.
Enter Chaos Gate early, pick Boons who either give me more damage OR make me gain more Coin (as this wealth you'll acquire will pay off later).
SWITCH Keepsakes in between Levels (buy this at the House Contractor guy)
Stack up on Health (Centaur Hearts).
Switch Keepsake again to find ARTEMIS. Pick her CALL, imo the best Call there is (tho Ares', Dyonisus' and Demeter's are pretty sweet too).
Add boons to my Dash and Cast.
Get FAST with Hermes.
Use Spiked Collar (Cerberus' Keepsake) before entering Styx, for a sweet 50 Health point bump.

[rich gulch]

Acorn has nothing on the Collar - I've been so blind...

Also, I feel like that should be pinned.

[signal aspen]

So true

[snow skiff]

IMPORTANT!!!

ALWAYS select PRIVILEGED STATUS on the Mirror of Nyx and pump it up with Darkness to the max.
It grants you a 50% damage buff to any target suffering from two status effects, making your attacks extremely powerful when combined with the right boons. Afflicting your enemies with 2 or more status curses while having Privileged Status on will make you (almost) unstoppable.

[safe tinsel]

Aphro x dio and aphro x Ares duos have good synergy with PS

[rich gulch]

This has the same energy as the Dark Souls Giantdad guide.

[short glen]

Hades guide: just get the boons

[strong ridge]

hades

[raw herald]

|| ||

[rustic vale]

You got the ™️

[rustic vale]

I just grabbed my switch and opened it to a shackle beo run with 1 of each heat conditiok active

lmao

[old belfry]

that sounds like a fun run

[latent moon]

could be worse

oh wait ri

have fun buddy lmao

[lean timber]

i had a dream

that there was a bee that you could find in the temple of styx

[latent moon]

is that a good or bad thing

[lean timber]

to meet him, you needed to have your game on for at least an hour straight, and had to have less than 5hp and more than 100hp

he offered you a boon called "tor" that made your hits essentially act like curse of longing and proc over and over, but it had a dionysus hangover icon

it was weird.

[latent moon]

i think you've been playing too much hades lmao

[lean timber]

meant or

no i haven't played in a week lol! it was weird

[latent moon]

oh

[old belfry]

less than 5 and more than 100

[latent moon]

then maybe it's calling for you

[lean timber]

meant or

[old belfry]

lol

[lean timber]

i have to find that bee

[old belfry]

sounds like a nice encounter

[latent moon]

having less than 5hp means you have to use lc4

prob much easier getting over 100 lmao

[snow skiff]

Ri1 is kinda free tho

Like no df kinda sucks but it's not that sucks

[latent moon]

true

it's just sad

when i was doing boonless 50 beo i wasn't using DF then switched to it recently and it actually was much better surprisingly

even though the only thing i'm benefitting from it were hearts

[lean timber]

dire fortune

[latent moon]

doom heals you

[rustic vale]

And ap1 is annoying as well

[latent moon]

not too bad tbh

annoying but not bad

[hardy spear]

high heat kinda hard ngl i know its controversial

[latent moon]

nah it's easy

[hardy spear]

fair enough

youve convinced me

[snow skiff]

Easy just get the boons

tm

[hardy spear]

maybe ill just use an aspect that doesnt need the boons

like hestia

[latent moon]

hestia but with dc2

[hardy spear]

but thats a lot of brain power for an eris user like me

is hestia hard to learn

[latent moon]

hesty can go unga bunga

sorta? but not really

one of those things that's easy to pick up but has a high skill ceiling

[hardy spear]

i tried it a few days ago and kinda struggled in tart

[latent moon]

the concept of hesty is really simple: reload, attack, repeat basically

[latent moon]

you should be oneshotting everything in tart tbh

except armored units

[hardy spear]

but swarms of things

[latent moon]

start tdash

and use your special

[bitter anvil]

Uh

[hardy spear]

maybe i shouldve gotten a dash first

[rustic vale]

0 aspects need boons

[latent moon]

true

[bitter anvil]

Why am I able to daze the boulder?

[hardy spear]

facts

[latent moon]

to what the boulder

[bitter anvil]

Dionysus

[hardy spear]

you what

[bitter anvil]

Thingy

His cast

[hardy spear]

ah thingy of course

[latent moon]

oh

[rustic vale]

You trippy casts bouldy what

lmao

[latent moon]

why would you do that to bouldy

[bitter anvil]

The Boulder has a name?

[hardy spear]

mean

[latent moon]

bouldy is literally a living thing

[bitter anvil]

Huh

[latent moon]

[rustic vale]

You deserve death

[snow skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1016875658296688680/unknown.png

[bitter anvil]

This is a lot to take in

[latent moon]

imagine not reading dialogue

[snow skiff]

Hestia heat is pretty easy

[latent moon]

true

[snow skiff]

Start lightning strike and play it like aspectless rail

[latent moon]

bouldy carry

[bitter anvil]

He hasn't mentioned anything about the boulder

[hardy spear]

dc 2 💀

[snow skiff]

I'm ngl the extra money is genuinely insane

[latent moon]

the 8% offsets the 80% cost by 100%

[snow skiff]

Yeah so just start lightning strike 👍

[latent moon]

it's simple math

[snow skiff]

Playing that run kinda sucks

[latent moon]

i wonder why

[snow skiff]

Reloading on empty clip doesn't give you empowered shot

[latent moon]

oh that's a scam

[snow skiff]

So to maximize dps you actually want to force reload at 1/12

[hardy spear]

too many buttons for my brain to handle

reloading dashing special attack

im basically just button mashing on eris

[latent moon]

that's like

the same buttons as eris

do you not use the basic attack on eris

[bitter anvil]

I wanna talk to bouldy

[hardy spear]

yeah but i dont have to think about any of it

[snow skiff]

Tbh hestia heat is so easy you don't really need to play optimally

[latent moon]

also like you dont have to constantly dash with hestia, you can literally stand still and clear the room

[snow skiff]

Pick up any % attack, pick up hazard bomb

You don't need to minmax dps you just run around the room throwing hazard bombs

And reload attacking sometimes

[hardy spear]

i was worried about time

[latent moon]

hesty is one of the fastest lmao

[snow skiff]

Hestia has like 0 issues with time

Just don't take cp or dc

[latent moon]

or js if you're really worried about time

[snow skiff]

Breakpoints

[hardy spear]

kinda need at least some of those for 50 heat

[lean timber]

you can but you have to make friends with him first

[latent moon]

why are you jumping to 50 heat lmao

[raw herald]

You don’t

[latent moon]

at least do 32 first with hesty if you dont like it

[hardy spear]

yeah i just mean eventually

[latent moon]

also with hesty you could take em4

[bitter anvil]

How do I befriend the boulder

[latent moon]

play the game more

[bitter anvil]

Aye aye captain

[latent moon]

complete sisyphus' favor

which is literally play the game more

[bitter anvil]

GOD I LOVE DR PEPPER

[latent moon]

okay buddy

[bitter anvil]

Ok

[lean timber]

dr peeper

[hardy spear]

i dont feel like having ap2 and ri3 or something especially on unmodded

[bitter anvil]

Will play more game

[raw herald]

Well enjoy cp and dc then

[latent moon]

i mean it's hesty all you need is the atk and tdash

[lean timber]

you need at least one of them

[hardy spear]

man

[latent moon]

also ri3 doesn't remove your 2nd dash does it

[lean timber]

no

[hardy spear]

oh

[raw herald]

Hestia is probably the free-est ri2 aspect

[raw herald]

It does

[hardy spear]

oh

[latent moon]

ah welp

ri2 is fine tho

[lean timber]

nuh uh... does it rly?

[signal aspen]

This is why Gilgamesh is the best high heat weapon

[latent moon]

it does

[hardy spear]

but my monee

[lean timber]

i thought it was the 3rd talent

[latent moon]

the dash is the 4th mirror upgrade

[latent moon]

dd/sd

[lean timber]

noooooo

[latent moon]

true

free ri3 with gilga

[snow skiff]

Arthur ngl

[hardy spear]

wait so ri3 gets rid of cast buff, dashes and uhhh

[latent moon]

you dont need money if you dont get hit

everything

[snow skiff]

Arthur op against ri2 it just sucks against everything else

[signal aspen]

Casts boiling blood dashes

[hardy spear]

ah

[latent moon]

with ri3 you lose everything except sd and presence lmao

[hardy spear]

brilliant

[signal aspen]

And healing 😡

[snow skiff]

Dark regeneration !!!?

[latent moon]

why are you taking ri3 if you're not taking lc4 smh

[lean timber]

oh no my healing that was already gone lol

[snow skiff]

Vital to any build

[signal aspen]

You don't?

[snow skiff]

Ri4 and em4 gives the most heat when maxed so you should always take those first

[signal aspen]

Dude

[latent moon]

okay buddy

[signal aspen]

6>4

[hardy spear]

lc0 my beloved

[snow skiff]

@signal aspen

[latent moon]

free 18 heat

[snow skiff]

Oops

[hardy spear]

my consequences be fleeting

[signal aspen]

@snow skiff

[snow skiff]

Thanks

[raw herald]

True

[lean timber]

i'm eating iced cream

[signal aspen]

Me too

[hardy spear]

ive done 45 heat but never tried em4

[snow skiff]

@raw herald have you tried the arty attack dio special splitting headache build before

Its really op on talos

[signal aspen]

I lov iced crem

[latent moon]

you dont need it until 50 lmao

[raw herald]

Yeah I love it on eris

[hardy spear]

🗿

[lean timber]

50+ tbh. i don't even need it yet

[snow skiff]

You don't need em4 until like 55 lmao

[raw herald]

Don’t need it till 59

[signal aspen]

10+ heat kinda needs em4

[hardy spear]

well the other em levels werent too bad itll be fiiine

[latent moon]

obviously

[snow skiff]

Above 18 heat you should always be running em4 ri4

[raw herald]

I don’t think em4 at beo 50 is optimal tbh

At least modde

[snow skiff]

Beo runs any heat tbh

[signal aspen]

Yeah it's yoptimal

[hardy spear]

beo 64 speedrun category when

[latent moon]

never

[raw herald]

1 cast moments

[latent moon]

ri3 removes casts

[hardy spear]

and?

just dont use casts

[latent moon]

you're gonna die to time

[snow skiff]

Beo 61 is free idk why people haven't done it yet

[hardy spear]

seems pretty simple to me man idk

[raw herald]

True

[snow skiff]

Just play cshot lmao 😂

[raw herald]

Cshot beo op af

[latent moon]

oh true aspect of cshot

[raw herald]

You get a free +100%

[latent moon]

and every now and then you get a big cshot

[hardy spear]

in winrate

[latent moon]

it's like extremely low budget hestia

[high island]

Guaranteed first boon and hammer has less problems with AP2, who knew.

[snow skiff]

Would arty attack be better on a hypothetical beo 61 cshot build

Because you already get 100% dmg

[raw herald]

Yeah

And if you sell it, it doesn’t matter

My cshot was doing more damage than the cast in my 54 win

[latent moon]

same on my 50 win lmao

[snow skiff]

@rt95 56 heat when

[raw herald]

Could probably just do that pact with dc1

[raw herald]

Maybe

I might use wris

Em4 sucks

[snow skiff]

Hestia lightning strike optimal build

On god

[raw herald]

I tried that once and didn’t get jolted

So timed out during heroes

[hardy spear]

why tho it seems cursed

[latent moon]

dc moment

[hardy spear]

oh does the lightning get rid of shield before the big damage or something

[raw herald]

Also had no idea how to play it

Since I got 80% dash strike from chaos too

[raw herald]

No

[high island]

I've been saying that since Early Access to deal with DC2 lol.

You'll still get the Empowered Shots to do good damage here and there anyway.

[snow skiff]

I tried doing 58 with that strat

On ri3

No boiling = no damage

[high island]

RI3 hurts.

[hardy spear]

who thought ri should be allowed

[raw herald]

Me

[hardy spear]

hate you

[snow skiff]

Ri works tbh

[high island]

Amir.

[snow skiff]

The only pact that i think is actually bad game design is AP

[raw herald]

aCtUaLlY iTs BP2

[lean timber]

ap >>>> ri honestly

[hardy spear]

just makes for more resets

[raw herald]

I don’t think any pacts are bad game design

[snow skiff]

Losing because of ri can be chalked up as your fault

You could argue ap makes you settle with worse builds to win but eh

[lean timber]

ap3 eliminates boons from the game

[high island]

AP is optional. Just because a small group of lunatics chases big high heat numbers doesn't mean an optional difficulty is bad design.

[lean timber]

dc3 causes armor hearts to regenerate every 5 seconds

[hardy spear]

you start having to pay back debt at ap4

[high island]

Vast majority of players never goes above 32 Heat.

[raw herald]

I’m going to do RI3 DC0 hestia

[hardy spear]

good luck

[raw herald]

The 60 strat without the last 4

Because I HATE em4

[hardy spear]

i need to try em4 to see what the fuss is about

[high island]

My EM4 strat is to just get a broken build so I don't have to practice the fight.

Not a fan of the fight.

[snow skiff]

Ap1 em4 50 heat on fists lp

[raw herald]

Can’t rlly get a broken build at 56

I’ve used up all my broken build luck in my guan yu run

[snow skiff]

Yes u can

Just be better

[hardy spear]

genius

[snow skiff]

Use ce to modify your boon slots

[raw herald]

r!ce

[lean timber]

champion edition

[high island]

Well, you still can but yeah that's no fun resetting that much at 56. Works perfectly fine at 50 though.

[raw herald]

RI2 ap2 50 is so much easier tho

[snow skiff]

Why does zagspear have to do no damage

[raw herald]

Ambruh have you even done beo 50

[snow skiff]

I tried 50 heat a bunch of times

[hardy spear]

how does one cope with ap2 on top of ri

[snow skiff]

Yeah

[lean timber]

lol

[snow skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1007762544309575790/unknown.png

Get the build

[hardy spear]

cshot aspect

[high island]

I don't agree. It's faster, but RI0 AP1 is a chill run and then you just get lucky with the build and win EM4 pretty easily, and if you don't get lucky, you try another 1-2 times and that should give you the dumb build you need.

Mind you, I don't play modded anyway.

[raw herald]

Or I could get any attack boon that gives more than 50% and be bing chilling because there’s only 2 enemies in each room and dad is a paper version of himself

[lean timber]

bing chilling

[snow skiff]

Bing chilling

[hardy spear]

🍦

[snow skiff]

Ugh i might have to do talos 50 with me

Black out sucjs

[raw herald]

Just get epic rd and be forced to sell it 👍

[snow skiff]

Lol you must be so scarred after that run

[raw herald]

Ok here’s a thought

[high island]

Interesting strategy.

[raw herald]

What about AP0 RI0 dem fists

With full ME build you really don’t care about high js

[snow skiff]

Em4 dc1!!!

[raw herald]

DC2*

[snow skiff]

Run UC0 and put on RI1

😁

[raw herald]

True

Unironically that would have won the run

[snow skiff]

Kinda not even terrible idea tbh

[raw herald]

If I got ME

[high island]

LC0 Feather Duster.

[hardy spear]

dusa only gives the greatest of gifts it must be good

[latent moon]

bruh

[snow skiff]

The game is easy what can i say

[latent moon]

have you considered buying lottery tickets

[snow skiff]

I'm a minor

[latent moon]

welp

you definitely would've won the lottery if you could buy a ticket

[lean timber]

have you considered having someone else buy you a lottery ticket

[latent moon]

lmao

[rustic vale]

Uc3

[snow skiff]

TIL dupper doesn't proc flayed

[lean timber]

what in the world is flayed

do you mean

main

*maim

[rustic vale]

maim is proced by dupperijg though

It’s the only way to apply it

[lean timber]

no it isn't it's caused by dash upper

but you can't trigger it early

[rustic vale]

I used the wrong word

Because I’m used to dash being dash strike

Whoops

[lean timber]

what running shackle does to a mf

[rustic vale]

What’s the supposed to mean

[lean timber]

[rustic vale]

More like what not enough fist gaming does to an mf

I would highly recommend trying to complete runs with every aspect with shackle 👍👍👍👍

[lean timber]

hera, fists, rail:

yeah that sounds like a lot of fun i'll get right on that

[latent moon]

Hera shackle is probably fine

100 damage casts isn't too bad lmao

[lean timber]

hera shackle is not fine.

miscalculate one (1) breakpoint and there goes your cast to the other side of the map, never to be seen again

or you know better yet gets lodged in something you're not ready to attack yet and you have to completely change your room routing

30 second return time mmm

quick recall is the only thing that could possibly help with that, which more or less requires switching off shackle

tor would probably really help with that

[snow skiff]

dmg on using special

[latent moon]

Just play as bad zag bow

But with funny casts

[rustic vale]

? Those are all fine

[lean timber]

not at heat

what heat are you suggesting

[rustic vale]

Like

20

Or higher

[lean timber]

ok well then yeah everything is gonna be fine

lol

[rustic vale]

Matty

I think you have better heat than me now right

I won a few 32 heat runs but never tried past that

[lean timber]

yeah i've done 40 and working on 50

kind of feel like dropping to 45 cuz i'm hitting a wall

[rustic vale]

I find a good balance of challenge and fun at 20 heat but going past it can be funner just because of the challenge

[lean timber]

i surprisingly had so much fun jumping to 32

i expected it to be not so enjoyable but it was more fun than zero heat even with all the wacky stuff u can get away with

[rustic vale]

You jumped from lower than I did to 32

I went from like 20->32

[lean timber]

i jumped from 8

lol

[rustic vale]

lol

Gaming

Have you got all your bounties yet

[lean timber]

not even close

i have i think four aspects left to max

and myrmidon bracer i have never touched

after that i'll have 100%ed my file

[rustic vale]

Resource director?

Codex entries?

work orders?

[lean timber]

oh well not resource director

codex and work entries are 100%

[rustic vale]

Get resource director maxxed

[lean timber]

after i do everything else i will

[rustic vale]

you only need like 325000 darkness along with all the other resources

[lean timber]

yeah, only need three hundred and twenty-five thousand darkness

13 chaos themes, why not

[spare tartan]

Bro i got the right dialogue from artemis with the bow but i still havent gotten the aspect

[rustic vale]

Did you get the first dialogue

Abot you using the bow

[spare tartan]

Yea

[rustic vale]

And mistake it for second dialogue

[spare tartan]

Theres more

[rustic vale]

yeah

[spare tartan]

Welp i guess i know why now

[rustic vale]

Talk to her with any weapon/aspect and eventually she’ll give the phrase

[spare tartan]

I thought it was one and done

[rustic vale]

Nope

it’s always (mentions your use of the weapon while using said weapon) then (gives phrase)

Except for guan-yu and arthir

[snow skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550473367635886112/1017248381833326632/unknown.png?width=1194&height=671

[lean timber]

when you

when you have an 18 second furies fight

without damage

[lean timber]

theseus :((

[latent moon]

It do be like that

[latent moon]

🔫

[snow skiff]

oh i lost that run because i never got divine dash

i did get both ME and DR though 😁

[latent moon]

That's what you get

[snow skiff]

UC0 pact pretty comfy tbh

[latent moon]

You took ap1 over that?

[snow skiff]

ap1 is free

[latent moon]

fair

[swift inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1017279808545239131/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

First sub-2 tart :D

[lean timber]

okay i'll just ask

how

literally how

how do you get anything under 3:30 cuz I SURE CAN'T

[high island]

Congratulations!

When is first sub 1:59 Tartarus?

[high island]

Practice.

Practice, practice, practice.

[lean timber]

i don't even

[latent moon]

well there's the issue you dont even practice

[lean timber]

my first four rooms take about a minute...

[latent moon]

what aspect

[lean timber]

any. even my best ones... worse ones take longer

[latent moon]

4 rooms taking 1 minute is kinda fine tbh, sub 2 min can happen if you get a lot of free rooms

[lean timber]

well how many can you get? c1 is only seven seconds max so that's basically free... you can get a midshop, bouldy, any fountain room, c13 shop, so 5 "free" chambers altogether, still leaves 8 chambers + furies = 2 minutes left if you're running 20s rooms

you would need less than 20s average (AVERAGE) clear if you miss even one fountain

[latent moon]

chaos

[lean timber]

right, chaos... hmm, well, geez

that just seems. crazy

[latent moon]

to be fair you generally dont get that many free rooms lol

[lean timber]

exactly

[latent moon]

so 14 chambers, midshop, endshop, first room are free so 11 of actual combat

[lean timber]

yeah. 20s average clear does not leave you with much time, even if you get three out of the 5+ possible free rooms

[latent moon]

oh miniboss should be pretty free too

miniboss should be less than 10 sec

[lean timber]

yeah, if you don't get sneak

rama sneak

yay

[latent moon]

for sneak you meg the first appearance and nuke the second one

if you have rama that's a rip

[lean timber]

that's like, +45s for me almost lol

[latent moon]

dont speedrun rama then lol do hera

[lean timber]

cuz GOD i can never HIT the slippery thing

[latent moon]

hera's probably better than rama speedrunning wise because the casts are just nukes

[lean timber]

i don't even want to attempt hera though when i did i got considerably far first try...

[latent moon]

what was your time for hera?

[lean timber]

best or my 40?

[latent moon]

best

because speedrunning

[high island]

Hera is one of the most consistent speedrun aspects.

[lean timber]

let me open it up i'll check for sure cuz i never can remember

[latent moon]

hera is like beo but less damage and aoe

[high island]

It's the same damage if the enemy is dead in one shot either way.

[latent moon]

true

[high island]

Hera can kill faster sometimes because all of the Casts do damage immediately, Beowulf Cast damage is staggered.

[latent moon]

oh true

[lean timber]

that's always something i hated about beo just the unload time sucks

[high island]

And bloodstones drop faster.

[lean timber]

best time was hera 13:06.59 with 9 heat i think. i can't exactly find the record and i don't care

[latent moon]

try speedrunning again lmao

[lean timber]

close behind was a rama 13:18.42 with 14

[latent moon]

it'll be fun

[lean timber]

i already do speedrun. at 50. lol

i just never survive

[latent moon]

well maybe dont speedrun 50

[high island]

You've been mainly focused on high heat, so it's natural that somebody who's been focusing more on speedruns in the same time gets better times.

But speedrun practice will help a lot in high heat.

[lean timber]

so you're saying i should go back to speed for a bit and it might help

[latent moon]

you're dying in tart or dad fight right and there's none inbetween

[lean timber]

ja

[swift inlet]

^

[lean timber]

got sloppy at heroes a few times tho but mainly dad or timer kills me

[latent moon]

because if that's the case then i dont think you need to go back to speedrunning tbh

but speedrunning does help with high heat

[high island]

Not saying you should, but if you want do that for a while, it won't hurt your progression in high heat because you're still learning and practicing mechanics.

[latent moon]

it's just that i dont think it's needed here

[swift inlet]

The 1:59 tart had +1 cast chaos btw

And cshot

[latent moon]

better see a sub8 then

[lean timber]

beo... yeah now it makes sense

[swift inlet]

It choked lol

😔

[latent moon]

discord curse

[swift inlet]

It wasn't gonna beat my pb

Looked like a 9:30 ish

[latent moon]

9:30 still pretty good tho

[swift inlet]

Pb is 9:15 with beo

[latent moon]

get more free rooms lol

[lean timber]

just get the rooms

just get the rarities

just get the boons

just GET THE THINGS

[latent moon]

just get the ely skip

[lean timber]

not me running HL5 and HS to get the last heat i need for 15 bounties

[latent moon]

based

[high island]

Lol I mean might as well.

[latent moon]

if you can get to dad at 50 heat then you can clear using that on 15 heat lmao

[high island]

I approve. I got bounties when I got 52 WR.

[latent moon]

it's called multitasking and being efficient

[high island]

Exactly.

When I got the Hera RTA WR, I didn't skip Lady Aphrodite's dialogue.

Because I am a good person.

[latent moon]

dialogue 🤮

[high island]

I see you are an evil person.

[lean timber]

going from 50 back to 15 only gave me an extra 30s. lol

6:21 aspho leave

i'm nothing

[latent moon]

Well you can't expect to magically be fast lol

[swift inlet]

6:21 isn't bad though

[latent moon]

it's honestly not

[swift inlet]

That sounds like a fast average run

sub 6 is pretty fast, 5 and 4 are zoomin, anything less is wild

[latent moon]

about 4 is where you'd want to be for a sub8

for an aspho leave ofc

[lean timber]

average :((((

i don wanna be average

i want to be magically the best

[latent moon]

i mean practice more

[lean timber]

that's possible right

[latent moon]

this is your first run lmao

[swift inlet]

No I mean like

[latent moon]

yeah just play beo, get every free room, and midshop mirage

[swift inlet]

6 is average when you're decently fast

I'm ok ish but not a whole speedrunner

[latent moon]

also yeah 6 is average-fast lmao

[lean timber]

10:10 elysium leave btw, gonna be on pace with my other "speed" runs

[latent moon]

i mean you're on hl5 you're probably playing more careful to not get hit

with speedruns obv you wanna keep high confidence up but you can throw hp away somewhat easily tbh

[swift inlet]

Especially if you have zeus/dio call

[lean timber]

i do have dio call, i typically take it when i wanna go fast

lv. 2 proud bearing go brr in styx

ok well nvm, new pb 12:33.28

[latent moon]

heck yeah buddy

ez

[high island]

Meanwhile me when my Hera Asphodel exit isn't sub 3:10.

[lean timber]

i feel so sloppy i hate it

i just be missin fr

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[swift inlet]

😩

[high island]

Nice!

Got a new PB pretty quickly. You should be able to make quick progress for a while still if you wanna try to push for sub 10.

[lean timber]

it kind of went a really unexpected way, i ended up taking plume, got epic rd, and kept it thru to dad

36.8% extra damage does go brr

plume in aspho ofc. took flower in tart as one does

yeah i wanna hit sub 10

that also had no chaos but did have a 2 sack so it balanced out i think

about average rng unmodded

[latent moon]

if you have a guaranteed crush shot at the start taking the flower isn't that bad of an idea

[lean timber]

i don't

[latent moon]

what cast did you have lmao

[lean timber]

no i mean

i don't have a guaranteed crush shot cuz unmodded. but i rolled and got it

of course

[latent moon]

well i meant like if you know you're gonna start aphrodite without taking her keepsake then mom pom isn't bad

[lean timber]

oh. oh no no no i took aphro flower

not pom blossom

[latent moon]

o h that makes more sense

they're both flowers to be fair

i think i remember seeing someone say something about taking plume in aspho for hera because there's not much else you need or something

[lean timber]

yeah literally i was like "well i don't need a 2nd god... only care about damage and speed so plume feels right"

wanted quick recall tho. unfortunately never got it

[gusty kelp]

how do i get bow secret aspect!!!

[latent moon]

taking zeus for smair, coin purse, or hourglass aren't bad picks either

[swift inlet]

Worship vishnu

Zeus is shaky bc poms

[latent moon]

assuming you have guan yu, you need to have 5 titan blood invested into various bow aspects

i think

[gusty kelp]

auuuuugh

[latent moon]

all hidden aspect stuff is pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[lean timber]

auuuugh!!

[gusty kelp]

o

[lean timber]

i thought about zeus and tbf i usually try for it, but i wanted to try plume for once and see how it fared

[latent moon]

fair enough

i'd assume getting call then smair has a lower % chance of happening than quick reload

wait not quick reload the um

greater recall

[lean timber]

honestly probably not.

hermes is a damn stinge with his legendaries even with the plume

he knows you're playing hera and won't give you quick reload under any conditions, in the same way that stygian runners don't ever get fully loaded no matter how hard they try

[latent moon]

tbh i just wouldn't take plume into aspho

[lean timber]

guess what i just took into aspho

[latent moon]

getting zeus call without smair is more likely to boost dps anyways

[latent moon]

plume lmao

i mean it's probably a valid strat

[lean timber]

well i had dio call so

i've seen runners do it

[latent moon]

fair enough

[lean timber]

well talk about inconsistency

5:51 aspho leave

[swift inlet]

Dio call is nice yeah

[lean timber]

is there a reason to wait until 2nd phase to do meg? should i do it asap? does it even matter?

[acoustic bolt]

does lightnign rod + hunters mark just bounce lightning crits over and over?

[lean timber]

i like doing it 2nd phase

[lean timber]

yes

[acoustic bolt]

i think that just happened against the champs. that's freaking wild

[swift inlet]

I do it first just to get that phase over with faster

second phase is pretty easy

[latent moon]

i'm assuming for dad fight?

[lean timber]

ya

[latent moon]

i always do it as soon as it starts just to get damage in

it's just reliable to hit

no random "darkness" disappear or anything

[lean timber]

fair i like to do it at the 2nd phase spawn because he's stuck there if you get close enough + dash thru the shockwave and cancel dash with meg. on fo2 sometimes he dances out of the way but yeah for perfect consistency i guess first hit makes sense

also 11:26.82

[latent moon]

damage is damage lol meg whenever as long as it's not right before he turns invulnerable

[lean timber]

yeah fr u right

[latent moon]

for high heat you probably do it on whatever phase is the hardest i guess

which lowkey is the first phase sometimes lmao

[acoustic bolt]

wow i just had the worst nemesis tart

c1 piercing wave c2 key c3 athena and then gold/keys/money until i died to meg with no damage

[latent moon]

based

[lean timber]

based

[swift inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/797154925447741483/1017308542459453460/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

Update: heroes clapped

[latent moon]

based

[acoustic bolt]

ok i give up i cannot get a guan yu win with FO2

just not happening

[latent moon]

special spam not working?

[acoustic bolt]

no

[latent moon]

theoretically what if you did tempest flourish

it's the second highest modifier but it pushes them back giving you more room

not applying weak might be unfortunate tho

[lean timber]

sub 3 tart...

interesting

this doesn't even feel abnormal

[latent moon]

heck yeah buddy

[swift inlet]

Doesn't gy run art special anyway

[swift inlet]

Congrats :D

What's the build

[latent moon]

i thought it was just aphro

because damage and weak good

[swift inlet]

Nah, the crits are mongo

bc modifiers baby

[latent moon]

i mean the weak is good because of your low hp pool

[swift inlet]

I've been doing aphro attack art special

[latent moon]

arty has potential to deal more damage which is fair

[swift inlet]

Easy heart rend

[latent moon]

bold of you to assume i'd use guan yu attack at all

[lean timber]

i think either is great because crits are really excellent on things with extremely high base power, hence rama being a prime candidate for artemis attack. weak is very valid as well i think it's preference

[swift inlet]

You're supposed to do special into two dash strikes

[latent moon]

cringe

[lean timber]

5:30.91 asphodel leave

[latent moon]

i mean on top of weak it's the largest % modifier

so it's just straight up good

[lean timber]

yeah it's great as far as power as well

[latent moon]

possible sub 10 pace i believe

[swift inlet]

It's definitely nice but art is really easy to get more damage with

[latent moon]

they're both easy to get if you start with it

[swift inlet]

He'd need nasty ely skips for that

[latent moon]

i mean yeah but it's possible

[swift inlet]

Hunter's mark ez

[latent moon]

i got all the free rooms with enshrouded so he can def get it the normal way lmao

ely than is gonna be real nice

[swift inlet]

Hunter's mark just snowballs really hard

[lean timber]

unlikely 10. but i'll try my ass off

[swift inlet]

What's your pb so far?

[latent moon]

get all the free rooms and 2 sack and no hades darkness

ez

[lean timber]

12:30 or something i just set it a few runs ago

[latent moon]

11:26

[lean timber]

or 11:51 or something idr

what???

no it wasn't

[latent moon]

.

[lean timber]

oh. okay well

i forgor i guess

[latent moon]

lmao

[lean timber]

yeah 6:25 currently bing chilling with my man patroclus

[latent moon]

ayo big damage boost

[swift inlet]

Get it

[lean timber]

mmm 60% attack my beloved

at least this time i bothered to grab an attack!

[swift inlet]

Speaking of which

[lean timber]

last few i simply didn't

[swift inlet]

Why is art attack demanded on poseidon cast beo

[lean timber]

no idea.

[swift inlet]

Like does the cast get affected by the crit

[lean timber]

3rd silliest requirement in the game

[latent moon]

it's just big damage

because like

[lean timber]

ratio

[latent moon]

you're not using anything else on beo right

big damage and you need arty to open the duo

[swift inlet]

Critting cshots are beauty

[latent moon]

so might as well put her on the atk

[swift inlet]

Yeah but like what if you get dem or a non-awful god

[latent moon]

i mean that's fine too

[swift inlet]

I read the guide when I first started learning beo and it was very clear that it's like

[latent moon]

just don't open any duos

[swift inlet]

Stinky as hell to take anything on attack but art

Dem wouldn't open duos

[latent moon]

yeah that's probably like the only one

[lean timber]

I LOVE DEMETER SO MUCH

[latent moon]

but also there's better dem boons on beo

[lean timber]

grandma is amazing

[latent moon]

snow burst, rav will

also putting arty on the atk is the same idea of arty on guan yu special lol, sometimes you can get big damage and that's very nice

[lean timber]

okay well no sub 10...

tiny vermin

did you know? when entering tiny vermin's chambers, meg will miss if you mash it!

[latent moon]

tiny rat moment

[latent moon]

oh yeah i learned that the hard way lol

vermin goes underground immediately

and sometimes when he comes back up he burrows away again

i think what i used to do was just stand still and take the hit if i'm speedrunning so i know the meg will at least hit

[swift inlet]

Wouldn't you rather amp the bigger damage thing though

[swift inlet]

Tiny vermin is hell

[lean timber]

11:21.01

damn rat...

[swift inlet]

Oooh

With tiny vermin thats really nice for an early speedrun attempt

Was it 2sack

[latent moon]

i mean the brunt of your damage isn't coming from the attack

and the idea is to instaphase bosses anyways

[lean timber]

yes it was luckily

i think i could have got 10:45 or better by a few seconds if i didn't get rat

[latent moon]

you'd only need 1 or 2 casts to kill normal enemies, the extra damage from the atk isn't gonna matter much

there probably will be situations where you can't hit a break point with 2 casts i guess but if that happens there's a decent chance it wasn't a good run to begin with

[lean timber]

"if you can't instaphase everything, you should reset"

this is why i hate beo

lmao

[swift inlet]

It's worse with hera lmao

[lean timber]

okay and

[latent moon]

i mean you can still get a good time lmao it's probably just not gonna be the best

[swift inlet]

At least beo drops the bloodstones right away

[lean timber]

yeah after they pop up 50 feet and you have to wait for them to plummet back to eart

h