h1-discussion

[raw herald]

On Fire!

[patent mesa]

what if apollo's status created a ring around the enemy that did damage

[raw herald]

Enemies move faster and take more damage

[patent mesa]

since the sun and all

[warm nimbus]

and was, perhaps, a bit fiery

[mint coral]

Not an effect but add a parry

[raw herald]

True, it could even have fire effects

[mint coral]

Sounds dumb but why not

[patent mesa]

I swear I wasn't trying to make a rof joke

[warm nimbus]

i think thatd be amazing

[warm nimbus]

hmmm

sus

[raw herald]

Parry would be good

[brisk trail]

I agree

[patent mesa]

what's a parry

[warm nimbus]

parry sounds interesting

[brisk trail]

I'd max him tho

[warm nimbus]

hes a platypus

[raw herald]

Patty but with Rs

[patent mesa]

oh ok

[warm nimbus]

therefore patty=platypus

[mint coral]

I love the zag emotes

[raw herald]

[warm nimbus]

same

[mint coral]

[warm nimbus]

[brisk trail]

[mint coral]

Look at him

[raw herald]

[brisk trail]

:D

[warm nimbus]

tempest strike

[raw herald]

=:sholthink:

[patent mesa]

me when a tartarus chamber only has 1 exit and it's a goddess with really bad boons

[mint coral]

[warm nimbus]

i knew immediately that was from index lol

[raw herald]

Me when Demeter offers nourished soul 3 times in a row

[patent mesa]

that clip is actually god tier

[warm nimbus]

yeah its amazing

send it again

[patent mesa]

hey it's unpommable at least

[raw herald]

It got something like 7 bouldys the first time I sent it

[patent mesa]

that's gotta be a record

[raw herald]

https://imgur.com/a/Fru8Djh

[slim geyser]

“thanks demeter”

[warm nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766637757726722/857979042749349898/2021062514413001-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4

this one is really funny

[raw herald]

Oh man that was ages ago

[brisk trail]

dang

[raw herald]

That was my first 32 gilga

[patent mesa]

lol do you not know how to dodge

so bad

[warm nimbus]

[high island]

I don't know how many times I submitted "please just let me purge Nourished Soul" in #hades-feedback.

[raw herald]

Lol

[mint coral]

Get splashed

[tepid light]

Are you not allowed to purge nourished soul for some reason

[warm nimbus]

yeah you cant purge any boons that give you something

[slim geyser]

nope

its very

[warm nimbus]

so like premium vintage, nourished soul, etc

[patent mesa]

and athena's defiance boons

[warm nimbus]

yep

[patent mesa]

actually is that all

besides sunken

[warm nimbus]

sunkens not a boon lol

i still find that so weird

[raw herald]

Crop

[patent mesa]

it doesn't even give you FF does it

[warm nimbus]

dont think so

ok wait does anybody have a list of all the apollo boons

[patent mesa]

uh

[warm nimbus]

also i think a more interesting effect for apollo would be to have an explosion or smth idk

theres not enough of those in the game

[patent mesa]

a fiery explosion to represent his status as god of the sun

[warm nimbus]

and itd unironically be interesting

[warm nimbus]

yes

and it should be vaguely ring shaped

[patent mesa]

a fire ring, interesting

[warm nimbus]

yeah

[patent mesa]

sounds broken

[warm nimbus]

nah it sucks

[patent mesa]

r!fc -10

[mint coral]

Wait fr

[warm nimbus]

rude smh

[patent mesa]

I'm just guessing from it not showing up in boon list

[warm nimbus]

yeah i dont think it does

oh yeah full call apollo aid is pretty cool iirc

i think you get p2p2 dad lasers

the least interesting one is his duo boon with poseidon

guess what it does

[patent mesa]

your pushback effects inflict blind

[warm nimbus]

nope

[patent mesa]

your blind effects inflict pushback

[warm nimbus]

nope

[patent mesa]

your rupture effect inflicts blind

[warm nimbus]

god these all sound so interesting

[signal aspen]

Is it about money

[patent mesa]

your blind effects inflict rupture

[warm nimbus]

"Deal +10% more damage to bosses but also receive +5% from them."

they pulled an unshakeable mettle

[raw herald]

your rupture effects affect you’re rupture affects effects

[patent mesa]

that's a shakable mettle

[signal aspen]

Kinda gilgamesh

[warm nimbus]

true but thats literally the whole duo boon

[patent mesa]

lmao wtf

[warm nimbus]

at least unshakeable mettle has the sturdy part

which is kinda interesting

[raw herald]

Woah it’s cold harvest but worse and less cool

[patent mesa]

imagine being worse than an ice-based boon

[warm nimbus]

actually wait

[patent mesa]

when you're supposed to be fire-based

[raw herald]

roil

[warm nimbus]

if unshakeable mettle is permasturdy isnt that super broken

[signal aspen]

It's pretty good

[patent mesa]

stun doesn't happen that often

[signal aspen]

Actually nah it's a little less than pretty good

[warm nimbus]

-30% damage taken

pretty good

[signal aspen]

It's not sturdy

[patent mesa]

ma'am

[mint coral]

Is just stun inmunity

[high island]

Winter Harvest.

[warm nimbus]

wait wtf

[mint coral]

Not sturdy

[warm nimbus]

are you kidding me

[patent mesa]

bruhhhhh

[warm nimbus]

wsefkbhjrfga,bhj

[patent mesa]

bigp moment

[mint coral]

Reading hard

[warm nimbus]

bruh

this game sucks

10/10

[patent mesa]

if it was perma sturdy it actually would be good

idk if it would be op though

[warm nimbus]

yeah lmao im just dumb

[warm nimbus]

idk it kinda would be

thats a whole extra weak

[patent mesa]

but weak is awful

[signal aspen]

3 weaks

[warm nimbus]

this is never going to end is it

[signal aspen]

No

👍

[patent mesa]

yeah it probably would be too strong then

what if only perma sturdy vs bosses

might be too lopsided of a boon

[warm nimbus]

see now thatd be a good boon

[warm nimbus]

there are a lot of those

[raw herald]

Perma rupture, but it applies to yourself

[patent mesa]

yeah true

man casuals would be addicted to mettle if it was like that

and for good reason

[warm nimbus]

i mean yeah itd be really good

em4? more like emeasy

[patent mesa]

actually no it wouldn't be very good

since lacks synergy with dash nova

[signal aspen]

Idk man as somebody with around 10 40 heat runs under my belt I will literally always take unshakeable mettle over any duo boon

[raw herald]

Duo boon idea: support fire now only has a 0.1 proc coefficient , but deals 300% of your total damage

[warm nimbus]

true

[warm nimbus]

im not sure dude

[patent mesa]

that makes me realize that sturdy is kinda underused in the game imo

[signal aspen]

Damn that would be insane

[raw herald]

Yeah

[signal aspen]

Hyper sprint

[patent mesa]

hyper sprint, dash nova, unyielding defense

anything else

[warm nimbus]

whats unyielding defense

[raw herald]

beo hammer

[patent mesa]

you're kidding right

[warm nimbus]

oh

[mint coral]

Are you for real

[warm nimbus]

that one lol

[signal aspen]

Bigp moment

[patent mesa]

ok whew you just didn't know the name

[raw herald]

bigp more like Einstein’s barber

[mint coral]

Modded user

[raw herald]

oops

[signal aspen]

Colossus knuckle

How could you forget

[warm nimbus]

i swear the better i get at this game the less i know about it

[patent mesa]

oh shoot

colossus knuckle is kinda good though

[warm nimbus]

what does it do?

[signal aspen]

Sturdy

[mint coral]

Sturdy on attack/special

[warm nimbus]

oh thats pretty insane

[signal aspen]

Wait special too?

[mint coral]

From what i remember

[warm nimbus]

surely thats better than breaching for heat

[patent mesa]

that's why high heat talos meta is forcing colossus knuckle

[signal aspen]

Probably not

You have iframes

Just use them

[patent mesa]

I think breaching allowing stunlocking is still more important

[signal aspen]

Smh

[patent mesa]

but second hammer colossus is def nothing to be sad about

[signal aspen]

Actually angel and scratch used long knuckle for Talos 57

[patent mesa]

yeah that makes sense

[signal aspen]

Idk if they would use that for the other fists

[patent mesa]

was the dem 56 modded

[raw herald]

Yes

[patent mesa]

I swear I remember it forcing explosive upper then

• arty special or something like that

[warm nimbus]

really?

wow

[raw herald]

You sure that wasn’t damue’s “60”?

[warm nimbus]

oh wait if it was damue arty special makes sense

best shield player

[signal aspen]

I think angel did that for her 56 dem

Then got Zeus attack

Zeus call

Double strike

Splitting bolt

Jolted

And an Athena dd I'm pretty sure

[patent mesa]

cheat engine

and ddash

[signal aspen]

Ye

[patent mesa]

and game guardian

[signal aspen]

🗿

[patent mesa]

that's actually ce levels of luck though

[warm nimbus]

yeah pretty insane

there were a lot of talos 58 fails from scratch which was really sad

imagine talos having fists heat wr

[patent mesa]

I would celebrate just getting zeus attack starting arty with AP2 tbh

to get the legendary too oh man

[tepid light]

got heroic life affirmation on this guan yu run
feels nice to use this thing without feeling like i'll fall over when someone breathes on me

[high island]

Life Affirmation is great.

[dusky solar]

agreed

i love seeing LA in tart

[tepid light]

fighting dad now

this'll be my first time fighting em4 dad with guan yu

prayge

gah, died

i want to like guan yu but it's so slow

and you're so fragile while using it

i'm almost considering making it an exception to my 'use all aspects' rule

[latent moon]

Was it special spam or spins

[tepid light]

bit of both

mostly special spam

and also striking since i had extending jab and swift strike

[latent moon]

Rip

[rustic vale]

Kinda wanna try ME guan-yu once I get home from work

[tepid light]

dad dead again

achilles is, schockingly enough, much easier to use than guan yu

[lean timber]

who knew

[warm nimbus]

imo achilles is a lot harder lol

gy is just special and mix in some dash strikes

gy has less room for error but i find achilles to be pretty difficult

[lean timber]

isn't raging rush invincible

[tepid light]

i can't agree
guan yu's heath debuff makes you very fragile, and makes mistakes all the more punishing

moreover, with guan yu you're relatively slow and immobile, while achilles lets you be both fast and hit hard

you can perhaps make the argument that guan yu is safer in that you can keep yourself at a distance easier, but you're still relatively slow

anyway, using benefits package for the first time

let's see how this goes

[lean timber]

1 or 2?

[tepid light]

1

[lean timber]

nice

[warm nimbus]

gy isnt too terribly slow imo

also achilles being fast is good but its really hard to control and you get hit a lot

[tepid light]

well anything can be 'hard to control' if you're not used to it
guan yu's attack and special are definitely slower than the other spears

and if we're talking about the consequences of getting hit, guan yu still suffers from that a lot more than achilles

[lean timber]

not dash attack

[warm nimbus]

yeah but you get hit on gy nowhere near as much as you do on achilles lol

i think that balances out the health factor

[high island]

Lv.5 Guan Yu with Charged Skewer is one of the safest aspects in the game even up to like 32 Heat.

[tepid light]

but every hit you take with guan yu hurts all the more

[lean timber]

keyword "with [ ]"

definitely takes a hit without it

[high island]

Not a great weapon aspect for EM4, though.

[lean timber]

dear God

[tepid light]

yeah yeah low heat and all but i really don't find myself getting hit particularly often with achilles

[warm nimbus]

are you using flurry jab?

[lean timber]

jurry flab

[tepid light]

i have not used flurry jab on guan yu, now that i think about it

[high island]

You can't get it on Guan Yu.

[warm nimbus]

you cant get flurry on gy

i mean on achilles

[tepid light]

well that explains it

yes, i take it whenever i get offered it on achilles

[warm nimbus]

on achilles it increases your dps massively but its easy to get hit with it

[tepid light]

also yeah i'm starting to realize how much this alters my perspective

[lean timber]

flurry gy

[tepid light]

can't say i've felt that way

[warm nimbus]

https://clips.twitch.tv/LuckyUnsightlyDragonBrokeBack-Isy6zCowxl2VrBKm

[lean timber]

isn't achilles kind of a castspect? is flurry actually good for it? i've never used the aspect tbc

feels like you'd just be burning thru your "powered" attacks

[warm nimbus]

getting hit like that will never happen on gy

[strong ridge]

dps implies surviving, though

[lean timber]

deez per second

[strong ridge]

dang

[high island]

Flurry Jab is by far the best hammer for Achilles, yeah. So much better than the others.

[tepid light]

i suppose yes, but it's far easier and quicker to use the bonus on attacks than casts

[lean timber]

huh

[warm nimbus]

yeah but it has the issue of being really unsafe

[strong ridge]

50 gigawahcks doc

[lean timber]

i didn't know that

[warm nimbus]

gy has less overall dps than achilles but its very safe

you dont really play up close

[high island]

I'd say the easiest Achilles builds to play are Cast builds, actually. But you need to know half-decent Cast builds at least.

[tepid light]

what is this clip supposed to prove

[warm nimbus]

this doesnt happen on gy, or most aspects for that matter

[strong ridge]

achilles hb is goofy

[tepid light]

the person just rushed in and facetanked hades' casts and spins

[high island]

Crystal Clarity and Hunting Blades play themselves, for example.

[strong ridge]

i also in theory like curse of drowning with achilles but in practice it is not great

[warm nimbus]

yeah curse of drowning sucks on things that arent fists

[patent mesa]

you suck on things that aren't fists

wait

[warm nimbus]

where sub6

[tepid light]

dunno i just find achilles a lot safer and more comfortable to use than guan yu

[patent mesa]

I honestly don't think I could ever get sub 6

speedrunning isn't my thing

[warm nimbus]

i dont think i could ever do 55 lol

so were even there

[tepid light]

same

[strong ridge]

achilles having a giga-dash helps a lot with living

[tepid light]

exactly yeah

[patent mesa]

k we'll call it even

[strong ridge]

tidal achilles is good great time

[lean timber]

ok is it invincible or not

[strong ridge]

i am

[tepid light]

i believe so, but i'm not sure
it's fast enough that it usually doesn't matter

you can dash through aoe's like hades skulls explosions without taking damage

if that's what you mean

[lean timber]

so it's surely invincible

after i hit my goal i'm gonna try some other aspects, achilles sounds fun i guess

[tepid light]

yeah, if that's what you mean by invincible
it works the same as your regular dash

[strong ridge]

actually 🤓 its called iframes

[lean timber]

idk what other meanings it could have lol either u take damage during it or you don't

[tepid light]

i don't think i could ever adjust myself to play cast achilles, my muscle memory is too used to just immediately stabbing the enemy several times

[lean timber]

i-frames are short for invincibility frames when your hurtbox is disabled 🤓

ratio

[tepid light]

and if i wanted to play a cast build, i'd just use another aspect entirely

[strong ridge]

what else could is it invincible have meant now i am lost

[lean timber]

nothing lol

[strong ridge]

plese

[patent mesa]

well ultimately achilles offers the biggest cast buff in the game by far

so it's still the best "pure" cast aspect

[high island]

Safest build on Guan Yu is just Charged Skewer + Heartbreak Flourish and then going for Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air. Ideally with Divine Dash or Tidal Dash (poms on that). Just exploit Charged Skewer and ignore the Attack except for maybe some lifesteal on the last enemy in a wave here and there (but only when it's very safe to go for that). Some other safe options that don't rely on Charged Skewer are Divine Strike, Frost Strike, or Tempest Strike spin builds.

[strong ridge]

wait i get this now it was good

[tepid light]

sure, it'd just feel weird and wrong for me personally

[patent mesa]

eh then stick to attack achilles as you're already comfortable with

it's op

[warm nimbus]

also, its not like they facetanked, its just what happens on achilles. no other aspect has issues like that as it pertains to getting hit

[tepid light]

that's my plan lol

[strong ridge]

playing achilles melee is begging to get smacked

[patent mesa]

tbh there aren't really any other aspects that are good for the non lodging cast builds

[tepid light]

i still just plain disagree

[patent mesa]

poseidon might be your best bet but gross

[tepid light]

i really don't think achilles is as risky as you're making it out to be

[warm nimbus]

the 2 best hammers for achilles are also the unsafest lol

[mint coral]

Flurry big dps but hold attack 1 second longer and oops, rip hp

[lean timber]

[dies]

[strong ridge]

real gamers play achilles tidal

[warm nimbus]

i mean yeah thats how speedruns start lol

[strong ridge]

😎

[high island]

Achilles is very risky if you're trying to be speedy with it. Definitely one of the aspects with the most untimely deaths in speedruns and races. If clear time isn't a concern, it's a whole lot safer of course.

[lean timber]

real gamers play achilles crush shot

[tepid light]

i guess this should have been clarified earlier

because i was just looking at this from a general perspective

not a speedrun angle

[lean timber]

akillees

[warm nimbus]

i still think its a bit risky even if you arent trying to be speedy

[warm nimbus]

because of this

[tepid light]

and i still disagree

[warm nimbus]

that applies if youre being speedy or not

[lean timber]

oh my God who cares.

literally who cares anymore

[tepid light]

this is not the first back-and-forth argument on an aspect that has happened in this server

[strong ridge]

precisely which is why achilles is risky

[lean timber]

ok but y'all are just repeating yourselves

there's no argument if it's just "i think x" "i think y"

[tepid light]

welcome to internet arguments

[high island]

At the end of the day, if one aspect is working out better for you than another, that's all you gotta know.

[tepid light]

I'm perfectly happy to call the discussion pointless and end it here

I just thought we were actually going somewhere with that

[lean timber]

not at all

[patent mesa]

in conclusion every spear aspect sucks

[lean timber]

TRUE

[tepid light]

no u

[warm nimbus]

yeah pretty based

[strong ridge]

factual actual

[patent mesa]

I'm glad we could all agree on one thing

[warm nimbus]

anyways i apologize, i was being a bit rude. and i mean yeah if achilles is working better for you than gy keep using it lol

[lean timber]

hades spe

[strong ridge]

im not

[warm nimbus]

beo and eris are the only aspects last time i checked though

[high island]

To quote a wise stereotypical Asian guy, "welcome to internet arguments."

[tepid light]

lmao

ya got me there

[lean timber]

beo is the only aspect. there is only beowulf.

[tepid light]

worst timeline: pos sword is the only aspect

[high island]

Beowulf is not an aspect.

Beowulf is a bug.

[lean timber]

beowulf itself is unintended behavior

i could agree

[high island]

Exactly.

[strong ridge]

we can all agree ME is a good aspect

[lean timber]

no.

[high island]

All the voice lines about Beowulf were actually supposed to be something else.

[hardy spear]

beo was never inetended to be played

[tepid light]

hades was never intended to be played

greek myth was never intended to be read

humanity was never intended to exist

[hardy spear]

i was never

i am not

[high island]

Wait, you can play Hades? Game only lets me select Zagreus on the character select screen.

[lean timber]

beowulf's soul is in the game. the devs actually coded heracles as the shield's hidden aspect, but beo's spirit took over and changed it to his own

there is no aspect of beowulf.

[tepid light]

i thought you knew all the secrets and unlocks in the game

[high island]

Evidently I missed one.

[hardy spear]

you mean selecting the character hades? thats obviously his name it's the game's name

[high island]

Oh.

[strong ridge]

what is a zagreus

[high island]

That's why he says "in the name of Hades."

Because that's his name.

Hades, son of Hades.

[hardy spear]

yeah

what is hades' last name

[high island]

Yeah, that's why I don't hang in #h1-story-discussion because I got no clue.

[hardy spear]

tbh the story in this game is pretty insane

like when hades said "it's me, im hades"

[tepid light]

or when hades took out his spear and screamed "it's hadin' time"

[strong ridge]

truly a moment

[lean timber]

and haded all over zagreus

that was my favorite part

[tepid light]

he's beginning to hade

[strong ridge]

when

[high island]

Last time I tried to post in #h1-story-discussion, they kicked me out because I don't have a degree in history, mythology, ...

[hardy spear]

theyre all nerds anyway

[lean timber]

the only cool story bit was finding out that zag's dash and thanatos' instant shift are the same thing to different degrees

that was a really cool detail

[high island]

I liked the part where Sisyphus sang "They see me rollin', they hadin'."

[tepid light]

I liked when you fight the other son of Hades, Bagreus

[hardy spear]

when megaera started busting it down tartarus style i actually lost it

[strong ridge]

zigreus

[high island]

Meg's Disney musical number was great.

[hardy spear]

wait ive got a theory
since zagreus, orpheus and theseus' names all end in eus does that mean they're siblings?

[high island]

Lord Zeus, too.

[hardy spear]

this is game changing

[high island]

That's not a theory, though. That's a question.

[strong ridge]

its like a theory

[lean timber]

price zed is actually zeus and only sisyphus knows

a game theory

[hardy spear]

his identity is in flux since whenever he's around orpheus he's actually dionysus

[high island]

Hades is a rich man, and at night he goes out to beat up the criminal Zagreus who went rampaging through the Underworld trying to escape...

Is Hades Batman?

[lean timber]

explains the dramatic flourish of the cape every time you meet him

[high island]

Good point.

[hardy spear]

he's got so many capes

[latent moon]

hades also disappears when you least expect him to

[high island]

We should collect these questions for whenever the devs do another #ask-supergiant.

[strong ridge]

soontm

[hardy spear]

hades killed his dad right? so he's also an orphan?

[lean timber]

the resource director's "rank" funds go towards buying hades new capes

[hardy spear]

he says "darkness" and bats are nocturnal, coincidence?

[high island]

Hmm.

But Batman says he is the night.

And Lady Nyx is the night.

Lady Nyx is Batman?

[hardy spear]

no freaking way

[lean timber]

i forget who the parents of the olympians are. is it the titans? gaia is the mother i think and she's still around according to the game. or at least there's no evidence of her being killed

gaia and the titans created the main olympians, save for a few if i remember right

[hardy spear]

i thought zeus poseidon and hades' father was chronos

[lean timber]

nyx do be wearing that black shawl

oh you're right i think

hmmm

idr tbh

[hardy spear]

who cares, batman is in hades confirmed

then zag is the joker?

[lean timber]

BRO IT'S A NAME

BRO

[high island]

Everyone is afraid of Batman and doesn't want to get on his bad side. Even the Olympians don't want to get on Lady Nyx's bad side.

Bad side.

[hardy spear]

put some funny symbols in between letters or something

[high island]

Bat site.

[lean timber]

okay... is RICHARD grayson batman's son?

if so... zag is... robin

[hardy spear]

yo where the batmobile at tho

CHARON

[lean timber]

let's go

charon is albert

[high island]

Alfred lmao.

[lean timber]

[hardy spear]

we shouldve known ever since he said "hhhhaaaaaauuuuggrrhh"

hidden in plain site, genius writing

[high island]

Charon is the Batmobile.

[hardy spear]

yes.

[high island]

That's the sound of the engine.

[hardy spear]

exaaaactly

how do the enemies in game fit into the batman theory

[high island]

As for Alfred... there is only plausible candidate.

[hardy spear]

schelemeus

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-dusa-cute-adorable-gif-19139329

[lean timber]

LET'S GOOOOOOO

[hardy spear]

alfred

[lean timber]

so wait... is richard grayson batman's son or not

i don't know dc

clearly

[hardy spear]

i know absolutely nothing about batman

[high island]

Is Zagreus Lady Nyx's son?

[lean timber]

ok that was good actually

that was a good one

[latent moon]

grayson is adopted

[lean timber]

perfect analogy

so... hmm... doesn't exactly fit i guess

[hardy spear]

tf you mean analogy it's just adoption

[lean timber]

zagreus : nyx :: richard grayson : batman

it was a clever way to say it

[hardy spear]

wait do the bat boomerangs explode

this is important

[latent moon]

zag as grayson implies that his parents are dead

or rather murdered

[hardy spear]

they are in the underworld

[latent moon]

some do some dont

[lean timber]

batarang

[hardy spear]

just like the aspects of the spear

[lean timber]

hammers more so

but yeah

this is so dumb

[hardy spear]

what are you talking about

anyway

[lean timber]

exploding launcher

[hardy spear]

the twin fists are a reference to that one time where batman punched

[lean timber]

epic reference

[hardy spear]

i was referring to you saying that thisnis dumb

[lean timber]

ratio

[high island]

Zagreus comes into possession of the Infernal Arms because of Lady Nyx. It's Batman handing over the mantle to Robin.

"Here are all my gadgets, use them wisely."

[hardy spear]

this is no coincidence

[high island]

Greg is clearly a huge Batman fan.

Who knew.

[hardy spear]

we knew

[latent moon]

grayson is also fruity as hell

[hardy spear]

ayo

so youre telling me the threesome fits into the batheory

[latent moon]

it's canon that he's got a nice butt

[latent moon]

probably

[hardy spear]

this is awesome

[high island]

2. Keep it clean.

[latent moon]

as far as ik he's not gay/bi but like he totally could be

[lean timber]

we're discussing in-game events

[hardy spear]

it's ok like how displaying a nude marble statue is considered art

[lean timber]

lmao sure

[strong ridge]

the three friend gathering is truly a moment

[dusky solar]

what in the got damn hell did i come back to

[lean timber]

one of the gaming moments of all time

[latent moon]

a true hades moment

[hardy spear]

so how do you fit into the batheory

[strong ridge]

horndes

[dusky solar]

i dont want to

[hardy spear]

tough luck

[dusky solar]

no, tough luck for you, i straight up dont consent to being added to what the hell that was

[hardy spear]

ok right a little context was missed out

[strong ridge]

you cant unchat

[dusky solar]

i dont want your context i want to talk about hades

[lean timber]

you cannot undo. life is permanent.

SUFFER FOR A LIFETIME

[hardy spear]

we're hadesing beyond belief right now

[lean timber]

epically hading rn

[dusky solar]

can we hades in a way that doesnt say the word threesome

[strong ridge]

the three friends get together

[dusky solar]

loke please

id be happy to join a convo but this is disguating i just want to talk about hades crap

[rustic vale]

piercing wave flurry zag is definitely the meta for sword

Definitely

[hardy spear]

ok now this is more disgusting

[dusky solar]

thats not even sword anymore thats just crappy bow

[strong ridge]

no its epic

[rustic vale]

rail*

[dusky solar]

a crime if you will

[rustic vale]

flurry fire, delta fire and spread fire should be compatabile with each other

[tepid light]

Thought I was doomed going into dad fight with one dd spent

I left with one dd to spare

ez clap

[strong ridge]

2 dd is comfy 4 dds

3 dd is free

[tepid light]

arthur demeter+poseidon with legendary boons for both

[hardy spear]

ill either lose all my dd or none of them

[strong ridge]

die or live

[dusky solar]

2 dd is okay 3 dd is safe and 1 dd is clutchable and 0 dd is for the gods

[rustic vale]

It would be so funny if they were compatable

[tepid light]

i didn't even have their duo boon, but it wasn't necessary at all

[rustic vale]

I can’t spell compatable btw

[dusky solar]

compatible

[rustic vale]

compatible

Thanks

[dusky solar]

yw

[hardy spear]

competitive

[tepid light]

no it's compitable

[hardy spear]

no it's competent

[rustic vale]

combatible*

[strong ridge]

compatatabable

[dusky solar]

floccinaucinihilipilification

wait did i already talk about that one here

[latent moon]

yes

[dusky solar]

damnit

[hardy spear]

quirky word

[rustic vale]

Autodefenestration moment

[strong ridge]

floccinaucinihilipilification arises from itself

[dusky solar]

i love that theres a verb for throwing someone/something out of a window

[tepid light]

hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia

[hardy spear]

the fear of big

[dusky solar]

thats the fear of long words, no?

[rustic vale]

I love that there’s a verb for doing that to yourself

[tepid light]

yep

alright, doing heat 14 with shield now
and beowulf is the aspect this time

this shouldn't be too hard

[rustic vale]

Free win

[hardy spear]

anything up to like 24 heat felt fine for me after a couple wins

[rustic vale]

I remember jumping from 20 to 32

Was fun

[hardy spear]

i did a jump from 17 to 32

[dusky solar]

im still screwing around with FO2 heat 6 and its a pleasant challenge really

[tepid light]

epic poseidon cast

here we go

[latent moon]

same

[rustic vale]

Just play zeus easy

[lean timber]

flood shot my beloved

[dusky solar]

fo2 heat six is a very comfortable, difficult yet achieveable pact for me

i actually havent played zeus fo2 yeat

[tepid light]

oh yeah, that was also my first time trying out benefits package
wasn't too bad

[lean timber]

js3 cp2 should be your first 5 heat

[latent moon]

fo2 makes monkey brain go faster

[rustic vale]

Jolted with fo2 is big win

[hardy spear]

how long will td3 feel free for

[rustic vale]

Forever

[hardy spear]

14 minutes is slow by my standards now

[latent moon]

when you have a bad build at heat 40

[dusky solar]

by my standards slow used to be 40 mins, now slow is thirty mins

[rustic vale]

Unless it’s sub0 it’s slow

[dusky solar]

id say that means im getting better

[hardy spear]

my longest ever run was 27 minutes on the bow i think

[dusky solar]

i have gotten very close to sub 20 at times

[hardy spear]

how do people have the patience for such long runs

[rustic vale]

Gaming

Just go faster

[latent moon]

absolute gamer

[dusky solar]

im a very meticulous person what can i say

[lean timber]

a sub 8 asphodel leave is good pace for me

[hardy spear]

i just go

[dusky solar]

i like to min max

[lean timber]

any slower will probably kill me

[hardy spear]

damn thats slow

[rustic vale]

Minimize time saved/ maximise run time?

🧠

[dusky solar]

i dont really pay attention to splits, but the earliest ive beaten champions was sub 17 i think

[lean timber]

[hardy spear]

i would be stressed at that

because of td3

[lean timber]

at 50 sub 8 is all i can ask for

i'm getting better tho

very quickly

[hardy spear]

fair

[dusky solar]

im super slow in ely, i am always super careful around shieldbros and bowmen

[latent moon]

if you're not pausing between decisions then that might be taking up a good chunk of time, very basic strat if you want to save some time

[hardy spear]

im not gamer enough to do 50 heat

[rustic vale]

Idk I’ve kinda hit a ceiling for speed around 15 minute runs and I think I need to watch speedruns to see what they do better

and polish my skills

[dusky solar]

i dont pause for decisions no but that was still a very lax run for me i was just dishing dps really well that run

[lean timber]

my fastest with max speed pacts was 13 i think? but that was hera. i can do so much faster

[latent moon]

pausing can probably save like a few minutes lol

[lean timber]

that was also quite a while ago

[hardy spear]

i dont thinking pausing for decisions is as important as people think because i got like 12 mins casually without pausing

[dusky solar]

i also am a casual infernal trove enjoyer

[hardy spear]

ah

[dusky solar]

so that adds some extra minutes each run

[lean timber]

pausing for decisions saves about 90 seconds per run for me on average

[rustic vale]

Infernal trove gaming

[lean timber]

then again, my decisions are quite small ones at this point

sometimes pausing takes more time than just gunning

[latent moon]

resetting SD gaming

[rustic vale]

I love getting darkness for resource director when I can but I’ve started skipping them

[hardy spear]

you can probably get a sub10 without any gamer tech if a stringbean like me can

[dusky solar]

best infernal troves are darkness troves- they give good for dark regen and it gives around 10 room rewards worth of darkness

[lean timber]

i could get a sub 10 at this point i think

[strong ridge]

your stalk is thick

[latent moon]

dark regen gaming

[rustic vale]

dark regen

I forgot about that

[lean timber]

dark regen gaming

[hardy spear]

that is one of the mirror talents ever

[lean timber]

one of the mirror talents

truly

[dusky solar]

its such a minor difference between dark and cthonic its one of the few talents thats really either way and i like that

[hardy spear]

eeehhhh

[lean timber]

there's some play to it honestly but that's only theoretical because at high heat when dark foresight is on it might possibly be more effective to turn on dark regen, but at that point you're running lc4. so it doesn't matter sadly

[latent moon]

cthonic is great because you're not relying on blue laurel rooms to heal you with dark foresight on

[lean timber]

if you had dark foresight off for whatever reason and were concerned about surviving, dark regen would be the optimal strat i think

if it was up to 5hp i think dark foresight would be completely useless

[latent moon]

ri but not using lc4 lmao

[lean timber]

lmao

[hardy spear]

whats the % for dark regen? 30?

[high island]

My early runs were all around 30-40 minutes, too.

[lean timber]

mine were as well

[hardy spear]

huh

[dusky solar]

i think for pacts either lc2 or lc3 dark is better because the tiny amounts from cthonic feel like nothing in comparison to the mildly large chunks from dark, especially from infernal troves or after region bosses youve already killed on that heat

[lean timber]

27 - 44 minutes was my timeframe generally

[hardy spear]

guess i was born to speed

[latent moon]

if you're doing lc3 might as well do lc4 and sd

[lean timber]

eh, maybe. but lc4 is free heat tbh so if you're trying to meet a goal it should always be maxed

[hardy spear]

yeah if youre high enough heat for dark regen to be theoretically helpful then youd be running lc4

[high island]

Chthonic Vitality is still better for LC2. And yeah, if you're doing LC3 just do LC4 instead.

[lean timber]

so sad... good design, poor in reality...

[dusky solar]

theres no way in hell im taking SD until i can get good at fo2 hades only using one DD on average

[lean timber]

yeah lol not likely to happen soon

[hardy spear]

i definetly cant do that

[latent moon]

lc4 sd typically isn't used until like close to 32 or wherever aziraphale is at rn

[high island]

Dark Regeneration was meta in Early Access when Dark Foresight wasn't a thing yet. And Dark Regeneration used to be 80% instead of now 60%.

[dusky solar]

im already far enough down the rabbit hole that id start messing up timings for dashes if i went back to fo0

[lean timber]

yeah once fo2 goes on it shouldn't be shut off

imo

[latent moon]

fresh file gaming

[dusky solar]

and ive already beaten fo2 using only one DD on hades once

[high island]

Nah, that wouldn't really mess you up. You'd just run circles around enemies that are way too slow to ever really hit you.

[dusky solar]

ruthless reflex still btw

[lean timber]

L

[high island]

If you want to get the most out of Ruthless Reflex, just reroll Lord Hermes boons for Greatest Reflex to get the best of both worlds.

[dusky solar]

lets see you beat fo2 on rr then with only one dd

[lean timber]

easily. i'll do it tonight

[latent moon]

if i use beo is that cheating

[dusky solar]

yes

[latent moon]

damn

[dusky solar]

by the way im a hundred percent confident yall could do it

[high island]

I beat FO2 dad mirrorless.

[latent moon]

based

[dusky solar]

based

[latent moon]

i probably could, i just dont like 1 dash lmao

[lean timber]

as far as dashes goes rr is essentially mirrorless cuz the tolerance is ridiculous

[dusky solar]

hard disagree but alright

[high island]

Nah, Ruthless Reflex isn't anywhere near that bad lol.

50% dodge is very nice.

[lean timber]

i don't proc it very well i guess

[latent moon]

it's not bad, it's just that an extra dash is basically 100% dodge if done right lol

[dusky solar]

and 50% damage is fine as hell

[lean timber]

i can't trigger very well

[rustic vale]

It’s 60% iirc

[tepid light]

beowulf with mirage shot

this run is in the bag

[high island]

Yeah, Dark Regeneration is 60% now.

[lean timber]

are you guys sure it's damage?? i thought it was dodge chance and move speed

[mint coral]

Dodge and dmg yeah

[dusky solar]

im sorry but i have to say skill issue because i proc RR when im not even trying to

[high island]

I mean it was in the bag at Beowulf, wasn't it.

[lean timber]

hmm

[tepid light]

em4

[rustic vale]

Dmg and dodge chanve

[tepid light]

but yeah most likely

[latent moon]

you'll be fine

[dusky solar]

but generally i love sticking close to hades during his fight so i get free RR procs on every attaco

[latent moon]

just dont get hit

[high island]

Yeah, @lean timber, git gud.

[lean timber]

truly i am a terrible gamer

garbage tier runner

[dusky solar]

yaint based unless you stand within an arms reach of hades just to proc 44

[lean timber]

i should drop hades entirely

[rustic vale]

Lightning reflexes gaming

[latent moon]

can't even beat rama 50 smh

[dusky solar]

rr*

[lean timber]

i'm getting really close actually...

[rustic vale]

Lightning reflexes and rr both prok on like

The enemy breathing

[lean timber]

i dunno if y'all saw but i did reach dad on 50

[dusky solar]

matty still probably better than everyone else here in this chat

[latent moon]

on em4?

[high island]

Please keep the low-heat shaming in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[rustic vale]

Nope

[lean timber]

so i am rapidly improving and will likely have it done very soon

yes em4. got halfway thru phase 2

[snow skiff]

What pact are you using

[latent moon]

twas a joke but fair

[lean timber]

timer was gonna get me tho

[snow skiff]

Oh em4

[lean timber]

i just killed myself out of shame

[rustic vale]

Should’ve won

[lean timber]

totally wasn't an accident.

[high island]

So was my message if you haven't noticed.

[dusky solar]

shouldve used egg, then his second phase wouldve ended there smh

[latent moon]

true

[high island]

Since, you know, calling 50 low heat.

[dusky solar]

do you use egg on speedruns btw?

i feel itd be based

[snow skiff]

50 is low heat

The only high heat is 64

[strong ridge]

64 or gtfo

[latent moon]

no

it would be based tho

[dusky solar]

what do you use then, i mean egg would literally give the fastest hades split

[latent moon]

i mean i guess maybe you could

[snow skiff]

Distant memory for that op +30% dmg at a distance

[latent moon]

if you keep resetting for c1 or c2 chaos while alse getting the first god you want, you can keep high confidence on

[rustic vale]

Distant memory + sniper shot ≈ free win

[high island]

Very very situationally, perhaps. Maybe on a Cast aspect if I already got what I wanted in Tartarus, there's a Light of Ixion in the Well, and I have rerolls left to high-roll for epic Cast damage from Master Chaos.

[latent moon]

very niche and a lot of rests tho

[high island]

Cosmic Egg doesn't force Chaos Gates, anyway.

[rustic vale]

If only spread fire, flurry fire and delta chamber were all compatible with each other

[high island]

So you'd only use it in the first place if there's a Light of Ixion in the Well to make sure you actually get anything out of it, and then there's still a pretty big opportunity cost.

[dusky solar]

but what could possibly get you a faster dad split than egg?

[signal aspen]

God -> god/hermes/shackle/purse -> sigil/shackle/hourglass -> sigil/acorn/shackle

[latent moon]

sigil

[dusky solar]

okay let me rephrase

[high island]

Oh you mean for dad lol nvm.

[rustic vale]

Shackle 🧠

[dusky solar]

on anything besides beowulf or hera what would get you a faster dad split

[signal aspen]

Only on hestia 🗿

[lean timber]

i mean i wouldn't call anything less than 50 high heat, personally

so

[signal aspen]

Nothing egg goated

[lean timber]

egg is broken

[rustic vale]

Shackle on every aspect of every weapon

[signal aspen]

-50% enemy hp kinda nuts

[dusky solar]

seriously, like how can you argue with not having to deal with 25% of the final bosses total hp

[signal aspen]

Fr

[mental vale]

winter harvest

[high island]

Alt+F4

[mental vale]

carry patty jerky through styx

[signal aspen]

Distant memory close second

[lean timber]

winter harvest is amazing

[dusky solar]

winter harvest 🤨

[raw herald]

Epic rd, hyper sprint and 10 ichors

[rustic vale]

shackle ≈ double damage ≈ 1/2 of dad hp

🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠

[latent moon]

Just get heroic aphro with 14 poms

[signal aspen]

100% faster runs

[dusky solar]

shackle means you arent using a boon that could easily give more than 100%

[signal aspen]

-100% enemy hp

Like poseidon

[rustic vale]

What’s a boon

Never heard of them

[hardy spear]

since when did egg make you not have to deal with 25% of hdes' hp

[signal aspen]

Hades dlc

[dusky solar]

since the fated minor list of prophecies

[lean timber]

egg instakills at 25% health the first time, did you guys not know that

[hardy spear]

[dusky solar]

egg kills at 25% first time yea but doesnt it kill at 50% second phase afterward?

[hardy spear]

no?

[dusky solar]

oh

well ive been lied to

[hardy spear]

everyone else was joking

[dusky solar]

someone told me it was 50

[lean timber]

yeah it's a one time thing sadly

[dusky solar]

i asked if it was a repeatable thing

and i was lied to

wtf

[hardy spear]

youve been japed

[lean timber]

get japed

[dusky solar]

i thought people were actually tryna help now im mad

[lean timber]

what does that mean it sounds like a slur

[rustic vale]

Tricked

[hardy spear]

i have no idea i think i just made that word up

wait its an actual word?

[lean timber]

get japed

[dusky solar]

japed is another word for like being tricked in a truly humiliating wau

[hardy spear]

ive been japed

by myself

[dusky solar]

yeah its real

[rustic vale]

Pranked

[lean timber]

a jape is a joke or quip, apparently

[rustic vale]

Practically joked

[hardy spear]

youve just been japed by your keyboard

[lean timber]

to get japed means pranked

okay that's goin in the dictionary

[hardy spear]

this is astonishing news

[dusky solar]

its mostly a more humiliating form of joke or trick

[tepid light]

person below me thinks skelly is attractive

[dusky solar]

me

[lean timber]

hi

[dusky solar]

you fool i am faster

[rustic vale]

So uh I just opened my switch to an open game of hades where I’m entering asphodel with 5:48 on the in-game timer like

[lean timber]

lmao

[rustic vale]

With td3 active

how the heck

[lean timber]

what

[hardy spear]

whu

could you send a picture?

[dusky solar]

my reaction time is more honed than thine matty, for your beta instincts threw away reaction time in favor of greater reflex

[lean timber]

you just had 240 extra hp in tartarus huh

[rustic vale]

I also have 726 gold

[hardy spear]

what is happening

what did you do

[lean timber]

save file's haunted.

[dusky solar]

id tell you if i knew

[hardy spear]

spooky

[high island]

Yeah, Cosmic Egg doesn't do anything like that. That's the joke in the game, that Master Chaos asks you to beat dad with a keepsake that doesn't do anything in the final region.

[hardy spear]

japed by the game it seems

[lean timber]

get japed

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1013966881432014918/IMG_2126.jpg

[latent moon]

The game gives you 5 minutes when you enter asphp

[lean timber]

you're three seconds behind

[rustic vale]

That’s not what I mean

[dusky solar]

i know but now, wouldnt that mean that it should be part of the mod pack to make that happen every time egg is equipped, since theoretically itd be faster if you prepped a save file alllll the way without ever using the egg for that prophecy?

[lean timber]

wait you're c18

[rustic vale]

Yeah I had extensions

chaos

[hardy spear]

yeah but still the igt and tight deadline timer dont match up

[rustic vale]

I was just c17

entering aspho

[lean timber]

ok save file's definitely haunted

you have to run arthur now

[latent moon]

If you run overtime in tart it won't add up

[hardy spear]

drop your switch and run

[rustic vale]

Save file is fine but like

[dusky solar]

do you have low health from td hurting you?

[rustic vale]

How was I so slow

lmao

[lean timber]

ghosts

[high island]

The egg doesn't affect the fight in any way at all, prophecy or not.

[rustic vale]

what is this run

[latent moon]

Gamer moment

[dusky solar]

it literally instakills him at 25%

[lean timber]

normalize timing out in tartarus

[rustic vale]

wait I was fishing for hoardinn slash thats what it was

[high island]

It doesn't do that, no.

[lean timber]

bro

[hardy spear]

no it doesnt

[dusky solar]

are you telling me they increase his hp to 120% to balance it out?

[rustic vale]

I was doing science

[lean timber]

chaos himself does it

[dusky solar]

themself*

[latent moon]

No the egg literally does nothing once you enter Styx

[rustic vale]

To find out for certain where hoarding slash falls

[hardy spear]

chaos opens up a dimensional rift beneath hades and says "get japed"

[high island]

There's no insta kill by the egg or anything like that.

[dusky solar]

nonononono, i specifically saw his health go from 25% to 0 when that happened instantly

[hardy spear]

i did this prophecy the other day it definetly dont

[snow skiff]

They should offer light of ixion in styx wells

You can buy it and do nothing

[dusky solar]

im losing my brain

i swear it happened

[high island]

That was not the egg. You probably saw Winter Harvest proc on him.

[latent moon]

Start a new file then lmao

[rustic vale]

I should run sd to making reseting for hoarding slash easier

[mint coral]

Did you have winter harvest

[dusky solar]

winter harvest?

[rustic vale]

dem legendary

[mint coral]

Demeter legendary

[hardy spear]

[high island]

Lady Demeter's legendary.

[lean timber]

wait ur serious??

[rustic vale]

Kills at 10%

[lean timber]

i thought u were joking

holy crap

[latent moon]

If you had winters harvest you would've heard grandma say something absolutely metal and hades flash like white in a cutscene

[lean timber]

i'm peeing myself

[rustic vale]

Don’t

[lean timber]

"freeze to death!"

[hardy spear]

hello peeing myself

[latent moon]

Reap what you sow or something too

[dusky solar]

i saw a purple circle appear and a scythe crop him at the legs i may ne stupid

[mint coral]

Grandma gets all the cool lines

[rustic vale]

Dem legendary moment

[lean timber]

yeah that's grandman

[dusky solar]

i did indeed hear reap what you sow wtf how

[lean timber]

oh my God

you thought

[mint coral]

"i shall take everything away" or smth like that

[hardy spear]

aint no way

[dusky solar]

I

[lean timber]

that's her full call

[latent moon]

That's a Demeter moment

[dusky solar]

WHAT KIND OF COINCIDENCE IS THAT

[mint coral]

Still a cool line

[high island]

Trolled by grandma.

[lean timber]

[hardy spear]

someone has been japed

[lean timber]

you got japed by grandma...

[latent moon]

Not only is grandma absolutely metal she is also a prankster

[dusky solar]

OF COURSE I USE EGG AT THE SAME TIME IM HAVING A DEMETER RUN AND FORGET ABOUT A LEGENDARY BOOB ALL IN ONE RUN!

[lean timber]

grandma does trolling

[dusky solar]

I MEANT TO TYPE BOON

NOT BOOB

[hardy spear]

demeter and chaos conspired against you

[lean timber]

legendary boob

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[high island]

We already knew that. She keeps trying to give us food at high heat. Grandma knows what she's doing.

[mint coral]

It was the fates for that to happen at the same time

[lean timber]

she loves her grandson so

[dusky solar]

I THOUGHT IT WAS CHAOS THE WHOLE TIME BECAUSE SHE LAUGHS AFTER HADES DIES EARLY I WAS

[rustic vale]

bruh I’m gonna have to start running high confidence to make reseting easier that took forever

[dusky solar]

AHHHHHHHHH

[lean timber]

no. chaos egg is useless in styx. lmao. that's funny as hell

[latent moon]

Take hs

[dusky solar]

IM GOING TO PISS MYSELF IM DYING

[mint coral]

Chaos just thinks it would be funny

As a little prank you know

[rustic vale]

I’m running sd hl hc

[dusky solar]

WHAT IS MY LUCK AAAHHH

[lean timber]

chaos can have some funnies. as a treat

deserves it

[hardy spear]

outplayed

[dusky solar]

chaos is my favorite character they are so baller

[snow skiff]

Hs sd strats to make speedrun resetting faster

[latent moon]

Sometimes their funnies make you take damage whenever you cast in exchange for an extra cast

[dusky solar]

their*

[lean timber]

chaos laughs at you when you die with a curse active sometimes and that makes it fun

[latent moon]

Whoops