h1-discussion

[warm nimbus]

losing thick skin moment

[lean timber]

losing thick skin moment indeed

[warm nimbus]

ri1->ri2 makes a bigger difference than heat players say it does

[lean timber]

yeah it's pretty huge. of course if you're good at no-hits it's literally not an issue at all

but fo2 bp2 says no to no-hit runs

[latent moon]

i lost achilles 32 with hunting blades mirage and bad news the pains of using stygian

[snow skiff]

????

[latent moon]

i feel like hb infernal has a better burst potential rather than with stygian

mainly because not finding another cast with stygian is pain but infernal is fine even if it takes a bit longer to pick up

oh i even got patty

i am so good at this game

[mint coral]

why did you use stygian hb

[warm nimbus]

yeah stygian is def not standard for hb

[latent moon]

I forgot to change it and didn't feel like restarting lmao

I played dad fight terribly too but oh well

[tepid light]

heat 13 beaten with rama

this aspect is something else

the fact that shared suffering procs when you also hit the marked enemy is very nice

[patent mesa]

wtf is hb

[tepid light]

hunting blades, the artemis-ares duo boon

i assume

[mint coral]

Ye

[patent mesa]

oh duh

I thought people were using a dumb new hera abbreviation

[tepid light]

someday i will memorize all of these shorthands

[patent mesa]

I don't think hb is a standard one

[tepid light]

that, or force all of you to actually type out the names

[patent mesa]

or I'm just biased from me not knowing it

[latent moon]

It's not but I didn't feel like typing it all out

[tepid light]

lazy

[warm nimbus]

heba, the new aspect

[warm nimbus]

used somewhat infrequently

but reaonably well known

[patent mesa]

https://imgur.com/2TekgLe the bot has spoken

[deft canyon]

Imagine Hating Gays and playing hades lol.

Where a Reunion of 2 warriors who love each other is possible.

[austere loom]

between fated persuasion and the other one, which is better?

[high island]

Persuasion.

Way better.

Especially rerolling boons from Lord Hermes is huge.

[tepid light]

was uhhh
someone being homophobic or somesuch?

[dusky solar]

persuasion is technically better but use whatevs, it really doesnt matter unless you are trying to speedrun or go to high heat. personally i like using authority more because i feel often quantity can outweigh quality when it comes to boons but its really up to preference. i mean, the game can on paper be beaten with any mirror on any heat with any aspect, it will just be really impractical with certain combinations.

just because authority isnt the meta doesnt mean its bad, so really just use whatever you are more comfortable with. just dont forget to spend spare keys to reallocate darkness to max whichever mirror build you are currently using.

rerolls in general in roguelikes are always strong so its really up to you how those rerolls are spent

it could be the difference between a good or bad boon, or the difference between getting a boon instead of two-thirds of a boon in obols. up to you which is more important.

[deft canyon]

Yes a Homophobic Hades player

Laughs in Achilles and Patrochilles

[austere loom]

man that is weird

it's not like Hades is really hiding it like Disney

[deft canyon]

Yeah cause in Greek Mythology there were no rules.

I can Guess that Aphrodite had it with everyone cause idk She didn't cared?

[short glen]

There were some rules. Artemis, Athena and hestia had no interest, and trying usually went really badly for you. This applies even if you're a god

[deft canyon]

Well Greeks didn't atleast

And Romans accepted it completely

It started later the hatred depended on what situation u were in

[deft canyon]

Yes but they were accepted.

They said "Well it isn't in the rules but fine"

[strong ridge]

were there any male sex-adverse characters in mythos?

[austere loom]

not completely

being gay was only fine if you were a top

bottoms get discriminated

[austere loom]

technically speaking

Narcissus

only because he couldn't clone himself

[austere loom]

how good is fully loaded? sounds good but is a pain to get

[rustic vale]

Is a pain to get

Rngesus dictated thou shalt only get fully loaded on non-cast builds

[austere loom]

ikr

[strong ridge]

hm
odd

[austere loom]

I think I just got it for the fates on my speedy eris build

[strong ridge]

fully loaded is either not good at all or makes your build go hard with no inbetween

fully loded beo is heaven

[austere loom]

wish Arty got more cast boons

[strong ridge]

she has lots

[austere loom]

like?

I might be forgetting some

exit wounds is one

[strong ridge]

suport fire (xd)
fully loaded, exit wounds, hunters mark,

[rain relic]

Fully Loaded + a few boons from Chaos that give you extra casts
add that to, say, Dio's or Zeus' casts and you have yourself some terrifying burst damage

[rustic vale]

fully loaded trippy flare

[austere loom]

yeah support fire is like a secondary turret for my beatdown builds

everything else is less of a cast boon

and more of a boon that just happen to help casting

exit wounds aside

[strong ridge]

applies to cast so

also she has lots of cast duos

by lots i mean like 2 or 3

[austere loom]

talking about base boons

to kinda incentivize getting her for cast builds

and build for the legendary

because her legendary is a pain

[strong ridge]

she basically is just roll for fully + duox for arty casts

[rustic vale]

Mirage shot, Crystal clarity, hunting blades, lightning rod,

[austere loom]

all duos

[strong ridge]

i mean u kinda just say things which affect casts arent actual cast boons and then say u wish she had more cast boons

[austere loom]

I mean look at her legendary

needs 2 of these: exit wounds, PP or SF

[strong ridge]

all 3 apply to casts

[austere loom]

PP and SF are good all around, I grab em more for non-casting

and so FL pops up more when I don't cast

they just happen to help cast but aren't cast focused

[strong ridge]

: )

[austere loom]

maybe buff SF to fire more for cast while still remaining 1 shot per attack

like 3-5 arrows per cast

[signal aspen]

i think support fire is fine as it is

[austere loom]

maybe

[rain relic]

Support Fire is honestly just funny to me

[austere loom]

but it's not what I think of when I go for something like Hunting Blades or mirage shot

[rain relic]

even if the damage isn't all that good it's really cool seeing all of the arrows flying around

[strong ridge]

support fodder is goated Uc fodder

petition to rename support fire to support fodder

[austere loom]

ratslayer

[signal aspen]

support fire is really good on fast hitting things like rail and fists

[austere loom]

yeah talking more about buffing the cast aspect only

it's good enough for attacks

[signal aspen]

wdym by this

[austere loom]

because fully loaded is annoying

and I want to justify getting to it

by buffing SF

[strong ridge]

even on eris if all arrow hit same target its like 150 more damage per mag

[austere loom]

oh it's def goated on eris

[strong ridge]

idk i feel like support fodder is inconsequential

[austere loom]

like a second machine gun

[strong ridge]

it funy but idk

[signal aspen]

i honestly dont think buffing support fire will do anything for fully loaded

[austere loom]

it won't

but it makes me think about the middle path for cast builds that might use fully loaded

but not necessarily SF

since it's one of the 3 boons you need 2 of

[rain relic]

so my Heat 7 Fists run was a Demeter/Dionysus DOT DPS run
and now my Heat 8 Fists run is shaping to be a Demeter/Dionysus DOT DPS run
RNG is funny like that sometimes

[warm nimbus]

also another reason that authority isnt great is that by taking a ton of boons early on, the doors that you reroll later are more likely to give you hearts/coins instead of what you actually want

[ebon locust]

does maxing favor with the olympian gods (and most others) only advance the storyline and/or add quests to the fated prophecies list, or are there other benefits? (i know some people give companions, but not sure if i even want to bother finishing favor with all gods/people if i dont get an in game benefit)

[signal aspen]

only advances story

[ebon locust]

thanks! do you have to max hades out to 5 hearts to allow him to use all companions on him? not sure how to trigger that other than beating him a bunch

[signal aspen]

to be able to use companions against hades you need to unlock two companions one of which is from somebody that works for hades

and then after that you will get some dialogue which allows you to use companions against him

[ebon locust]

ok, thanks! i have meg's and thanatos companions unlocked (and sisyphus), so ill just wait for the dialogue

[deft canyon]

Btw i got the game for 15 bucks cause it was off best 15 Bucks spended this year lol

[ebon locust]

yeah, hades is a steal at full price, so any sale makes it even better

[rich gulch]

There's nothing scarier than seeing a 9 foot bullman charge at you faster than a freight train with the movement speed/attack speed pact of punishment enabled ..

And not having any form of invincibility.

[signal aspen]

just dash through it

[rich gulch]

I try but the timing for it is so narrow and he ends up goring me for at least 40HP more often than not..

[buoyant lark]

so wait.

to do the achievement quests, do I need to have reached hades or beat him too for it to save?

because I'm confused here.

[warm nimbus]

what do you mean by achievement quests?

the ones where you reach the surface with hidden aspects?

[buoyant lark]

1sec.

yes.

and other things.

like for example, get all boons of hammer on X weapon / from Y deity

they don't seem to save.

[warm nimbus]

are you hitting give up?

[buoyant lark]

no.

just death.

[warm nimbus]

then thats strange, it shouldnt do that

[buoyant lark]

things like the dark crystals and stuff save.

yet the bonus boons don't.

I tried a run where I was like ''lol w/e''.

I got one boon off of the hammer which I hadn't gotten before.

It was on the coronacht rama aspect, where your special shoots +4 shots.

relentless shot or something I think.

yet, it didn't save.

same with coronacht rama again, but with ''double shot''.

[warm nimbus]

thats strange, i dont know why itd do that

[buoyant lark]

I just closed it.

now I get this.

I can't post images?

https://imgur.com/a/IbldGmI

what do I click? ._.

[warm nimbus]

probably just default

[buoyant lark]

done.

It's working again.

ye so, 1sec 'n lemme show.

[warm nimbus]

lmao

dont get muted

oh you did

well its only temporary

[main drift]

I finally got a record player. Does anyone know if super gains will restock their ots vinyl?

[high island]

The most effective use for Authority isn't to try to get a lot of boons but to (1) roll away from forced gods you don't want in your pool and (2) reroll miniboss boons for better gods.

[warm nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/1013511688361885707/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

next time somebody tells you legacy does something just send them this screenshot

[signal aspen]

nice hermes

[raw herald]

Thanks

[patent mesa]

holy crap hunter's flare

nice highroll, enjoy your sub 6

[signal aspen]

hunters flare was actually proven to guarantee a ely skip

[raw herald]

My pb coulda been hunters flare

I really regret not doing that…

[signal aspen]

smh

[tepid light]

that's exactly what i do with authority, actually

it's part of the reason why it felt so weird using persuasion instead

it felt like i ended up with a lot of gods i didn't want, that i could have rolled away instead

and while purging pools exist, there was never a guarantee that it'd allow me to get rid of the boons i didn't want

[patent mesa]

this is the main power of keepsakes

forcing two gods you want means persuasion becomes broken

[tepid light]

yes but keepsakes only affect the first boon you get
doesn't stop you from having to take some random boon from ares or somesuch when your build has no use for it

[patent mesa]

indeed but the main meta builds are generally built around two gods that you force

whatever you get as your other two you just work around or ignore

[tepid light]

and authority would make it very easy to 'work around' those other two, yes?

[patent mesa]

and over time it's been established that rolling the boons of two gods you want is far more powerful than rolling for more of their boons

hence why authority has almost no place in high heat/speedrun meta

[tepid light]

eh

i still feel like authority has some respectable advantages

[signal aspen]

imagine using uc with authority

and having to purge some of the most important boons of you build

instead of being able to reroll and purge common greater haste or something like that

[tepid light]

checks the pact of punishment

ah, underworld customs

that modifier sounds quite painful tbh

haven't used it yet

[signal aspen]

imagine playing beowulf and being forced to start attack or special

because you cant reroll boons

[patent mesa]

UC is free heat 99% of the time with persuasion

with authority much less so

and rerolling wells is broken for speedrunning

[signal aspen]

its not that free

but yeah

much more free

[patent mesa]

no it's not and I hate it

but gotta put it on sadly

[tepid light]

why 'gotta'

[snow skiff]

L unmodded

[signal aspen]

W cheat engine

[tepid light]

all this talk of speedrun mods and here i am looking at that one mod that's adding apollo and other gods to the game

[signal aspen]

i wanna use those mods and submit it to the modded leaderboard

[warm nimbus]

easy 2 heat

[warm nimbus]

no, typical builds revolve around very few boons. the most annoying build to get in the game is probably ME, which needs 5 boons from regular gods. (attack, special, dash, ME, impending)

and even in that case, using persuasion to get the boons you want is far more powerful than authority

a lot of boons doesnt help if the boons are like clean kill and typhoons fury

[tepid light]

i'll be honest, underworld customs does scare me a little, but maybe it's not as bad as i think it is

[warm nimbus]

also, every single build benefits from good hermes

authority does nothing to help hermes

[warm nimbus]

before you take ri its not too bad

you almost always will end up taking at least 1 trash boon

in each region

[tepid light]

does customs allow you to purge any boon from your pool, or does it work on the same principle as purging pool

[lean timber]

afk builds:

[lean timber]

purging pool mechanics

[warm nimbus]

rush delivery still exists on afk builds lmao

also dodge chance

[lean timber]

augh

[tepid light]

so isn't it perfectly possible that you'll be forced to purge one of your key boons

[lean timber]

sure is

[warm nimbus]

...and then you reroll

[lean timber]

if you don't have fated persuasion

[tepid light]

yeah, i understand the point there

[warm nimbus]

plenty of times ive gotten like attack dash jolted in well on eris

and then i just reroll and purge like shoals or smth

[tepid light]

would still be rather painful if you used your rerolls earlier on getting your good boons, and then had no rerolls left when you had to purge

[lean timber]

imagine being able to get more than three boons per section. this post made by routine inspection 1 gang

[lean timber]

i'm telling you at least 70% of the time you can smoothbrain it, forget about uc, then go to the pool and be like "oh oops" and wash something irrelevant off. as long as you don't get crazy with your rolls it's a very simple 1 heat

[warm nimbus]

thats why you save a reroll a lot of the time

and even when you dont have any, that rarely happens

[tepid light]

well, maybe i'll try it out sometime

there are a fair few modifiers i would feel more comfortable activating before customs

[warm nimbus]

i woudnt take it until around 15 or so

just because its annoying

[tepid light]

i'm still at 13

so i'm perfectly fine with that suggestion

[signal aspen]

i usually dont take uc until 40

[lean timber]

i don't have uc on in my current pact

[rain relic]

only time i've taken UC was for the prophecy and that's it

[rustic vale]

UC is fine

[faint flint]

Question

what's the damage formula like for zeus boons

what determines how it bounces and how much it does when it does

[rustic vale]

Do you mean like lightning strike and cast

[faint flint]

yeah lightning strike

[rustic vale]

Lightning strike bounces 4 times to enemies within a certain amount of units dealing less damage for each one iirc

If you have Storm Lightning it bounces more

Electric cast bounces 5 times

[patent mesa]

wow storm lightning is awful

4 is way more than enough

[rustic vale]

Storm lightning is awful

only good thing about it is prerequisite for zeus legendary

[faint flint]

i just took storm lightning for that exact reason

[patent mesa]

man if it was unpommable it would be so nice

[warm nimbus]

wait wtf does it really

i thought it bounced once and did the same damage to both

[patent mesa]

bruh

[faint flint]

i'm playing eris now

with lightning strike

[patent mesa]

yeah that's the case, and weak is 10% damage reduction

[warm nimbus]

no im serious

does it actually bounce 4 times???

and also have decreasing damage???

[patent mesa]

it def bounces more than once

[mint coral]

Where did you get the less dmg thing from

[signal aspen]

Literally never heard of this

[warm nimbus]

theres no way

[patent mesa]

I've seen mention of doing less damage per bounce before

megasheet claims it I believe?

[warm nimbus]

yeah but i mean

you know what happened with megasheet

[patent mesa]

wow welcome back to another episode of hades sweats not knowing basic game mechanics

[signal aspen]

Mega sheet sucks

[warm nimbus]

about as reliable as the wiki

[patent mesa]

TRUE

freaking megasheet gave me an aneurysm

[signal aspen]

@night rampart is this true

[warm nimbus]

im going to check rn

[signal aspen]

If not then how does lightning strike work

[warm nimbus]

omg

it does less damage per bounce

[patent mesa]

lmao

[warm nimbus]

and bounces more than once

wtf

[patent mesa]

how much less

[warm nimbus]

2 each time

[signal aspen]

It actually bounces more than once?

[warm nimbus]

YEAH

oops caps

[signal aspen]

[warm nimbus]

i saw 10 8 and 6 damage numbers in there

unarmored enemies

[patent mesa]

so this is why lightning strike is so effective vs the savior cloner BP2 enemy

[signal aspen]

Are you sure that's not Zeus lightning doing random damage

[warm nimbus]

uhhhh i dont think so

it actually seems to be a % decrease

[snow skiff]

What

The HELL

[warm nimbus]

i just saw it go from 15 to 12

[signal aspen]

A what now

[snow skiff]

Hello???

This game sucks

[latent moon]

I think we're all just dense

[snow skiff]

Clearly

[warm nimbus]

yep 26 to 20

its a % decrease

by 20% each time i think

@rustic vale how the hell did you know this

[latent moon]

Maybe he's the only one who actually pays attention to the game lmao

I knew it bounced more than once but didn't know the exact number or the fact it did reduced damage

[signal aspen]

I thought it bounced once and did the same amount of damage

[warm nimbus]

same

[latent moon]

It shreds waves of numbskulls too fast for it to only be 1 bounce that was my reasoning

[mint coral]

??????

i hate this game

[latent moon]

Based

[snow skiff]

We're all dense i guess

So-called "skilled players" when they need to know basic game knowledge

[mint coral]

is this a BigP moment for all of us

but tbh does this one really matter

[latent moon]

get boon do damage that's all you need to know

[signal aspen]

Frfr lightning strike sucks

[patent mesa]

monkey brain sees DC2 numbskulls with zeus attack

neuron activation

[mint coral]

20% decrease doesnt matter most of the time when you have rare rd built in anyways lmao

bulky enemies are getting rocket bomb'd

[short glen]

What is BigP?

[mint coral]

good player that doesnt know some basic mechanics

or that the game had a plot

[warm nimbus]

a bad hades player that knows everything about the game

[snow skiff]

Eris? Who uses lightning strike on that?

[signal aspen]

Bigp is a Speedrunner who started day 1 with a maxed file

[snow skiff]

Drunken strike is clearly better

[latent moon]

lmfao based

[warm nimbus]

oh yeah also started modded too i think

[latent moon]

Bigp is a true gamer

[mint coral]

"this game has a plot?" "how many iframes does dash have"

[warm nimbus]

in the past week, "whats the base damage of rocket bomb?"

[mint coral]

or my fav one
"did zag always had red-green eyes"

[signal aspen]

"one cshot"

We have to explain in beo terms for him

[latent moon]

lmfao

[mint coral]

during gdq there was also the hunter's mark explanation

[neat nebula]

I woke up today and casually wanted to give Hades another try before it leaves Game Pass. Got to the God himself on my first run for the first time, stronger than ever. Beat him. Jumped outta my chair in awe not believing my feat. Adrenaline off the charts. Then he recovered his health bar entirely and proceeded to kill me at 50% health. I’ve never been into roguelikes and there’s nothing I hate more in video games than bosses recovering health in battles. I hate this game. I’m gonna buy it on Xbox and Switch too

[warm nimbus]

oh yeah

wheres the clip of that again

[warm nimbus]

also this is right too

[mint coral]

you arent the only one with revives

[warm nimbus]

how the hell did you know this

[short glen]

New copypasta?

[latent moon]

lmfao

that's a certified Hades moment

[signal aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/659820450297282585/1013547685711708241/Screenshot_20220828-163601-8322.png

[warm nimbus]

bruh

[signal aspen]

New bigp moment in anancord

[snow skiff]

Brhh

[warm nimbus]

oh i havent joined anancord

[signal aspen]

Do you know what soaking is

[neat nebula]

Sounds like it but that was actually me lol

[short glen]

What's anancord?

[warm nimbus]

...no, but i want to find out

[signal aspen]

Hades strimmers discord

Ananke

[warm nimbus]

how do i join it lmao

[short glen]

So does BigP just only do beo runs?

[signal aspen]

Nowadays yeah pretty much

He made a category called 4beo

It's just 4 beo runs

[snow skiff]

Beo is a monkey brain weapon so it's perfect for him

[short glen]

Can anyone just make a category?

[signal aspen]

It's not an official category

[short glen]

Sad

When can cast only be a category

[latent moon]

achilles but you have to make sure you dont hit the special lol

[short glen]

I think yeah it would just only be people running Achilles and any other weapons would mostly be the same as each other. Except beo and hera which are unusable. Arthur would be okay ig. But all actual good times would be Achilles huh

[rustic vale]

I magical

[snow skiff]

That would be using the special which would make it not cast only

You would probably have to run poseidon for the passive lmaoooooooo

[latent moon]

lmfao amazing

[faint flint]

beo is unusable?

[latent moon]

you'd have to be real careful not to hit the dragon rush

not impossible but difficult

[warm nimbus]

thats based as hell

can we get that as a category extension?

[faint flint]

wdym

I've never used beo before

I've only just begun replaying

[latent moon]

the dragon rush when you load the cast is pretty large and you generally want to actually hit the dragon rush, especially if you have cshot because it's insane base damage

[faint flint]

cshot?

[latent moon]

charged shot

[short glen]

We're talking about a theoretical Speedrun category in case that wasn't clear. Normally beo is op, it's just really bad in this Speedrun category

[slim geyser]

yes

play pos sword guys its good i swear

[short glen]

No

[snow skiff]

True i beat 50 heat points with it !!!

[latent moon]

MEseidon

[tepid light]

like, i do appreciate what they tried to do with poseidon, and i can respect the idea of being able to instantly dislodge casts

but it just ended up so clunky

[short glen]

Arthur superior

[tepid light]

poseidon is easily the worst of the swords

so yeah, arthur superior

[latent moon]

i figured zag would be the worst lmao

[short glen]

Arthur best sword

[tepid light]

i'd prefer the move speed and attack speed buffs over poseidon's clunky playstyle

[rustic vale]

Zag > pos

At least zag works with rd

[latent moon]

you're dstriking on sword anyways, the atk speed doesn't help with that

movespeed is nice i guess tho

[tepid light]

speak for yourself

[rustic vale]

Pos is just worst other castpects

[faint flint]

poseidon is basically proof

that everything fun

is bad

[rustic vale]

They aren’t speaking for themselves

[latent moon]

i'm really not yeah lmfao

[rustic vale]

Standing striking is so bad on every weapon sword

[snow skiff]

+30% dmg with rd > literally nothing

[latent moon]

the normal atk combo is so slow that if you want to do normal standing atks you're just gonna have to pray for flurry, but flurry screws up dstrikes and that's not great

[latent moon]

why aren't you actually using the gimmick for pos tho

[raw herald]

Only epic rd tho

[latent moon]

50% bonus isn't bad tho

[tepid light]

my unga bunga tendencies prevent me from agreeing with you

[snow skiff]

Because the gimmick sucks

[raw herald]

The real gimmick is the dislodge

[latent moon]

lvl 20 exit wounds gaming

[raw herald]

Poseidons innate cast damage isn’t what makes it good

[snow skiff]

The dislodge sucks

[raw herald]

You suck

[snow skiff]

When i did pos 50 lp killed everything anyway so the dislodge was entirely worthless

[raw herald]

Wasn’t it like level 2 cast lol

[tepid light]

in all fairness, it doesn't really make sense to actively choose to use poseidon and then refuse to use its gimmick because "it sucks"

yes it does, but you chose to use it in the first place, so you might as well play it as it was intended and actually take advantage of its gimmick

otherwise why even use that aspect at all

[short glen]

Except Arthur, tbh

[latent moon]

because 50 heat all aspects lol

[snow skiff]

Because 50 heat all aspects

[latent moon]

i plan on doing 32 all aspects, i dont plan on using the gimmick on talos

[short glen]

Arthur gets way more use out of hammers than the other swords solely because standing strike on it does a ton of damage

[tepid light]

my point still stands

you're still willingly choosing to use poseidon

[rustic vale]

True but on arthur half your dash strikes are standing strikes anyways

[snow skiff]

U probably just want flat damage soup for a legit poseidon 50 strat

[tepid light]

like i also hate using poseidon and trying to clear with it was terrible, but i'm not whining about it

because i willingly subjected myself to it

[latent moon]

you can still use a weapon and not use the gimmick

[high island]

The point isn't that you don't use it because it sucks but because the enemies are already dead anyway. And that's why the dislodge (mostly) sucks. It's nice enough for bosses at least.

[rustic vale]

Ie. chaos is just worse zag shield

[latent moon]

exactly

[tepid light]

well you can't oneshot everything, and bosses are in fact a large concern

[high island]

It's good for very situational utility.

[warm nimbus]

you really are

its possible you actually know more about the game than me lmao

probable, i should say

[rustic vale]

Probably not

[tepid light]

if only exit wounds did damage per cast dislodged rather than just doing a single burst
would make poseidon hilarious

[warm nimbus]

it...does

[rustic vale]

It do

[tepid light]

does it?

[warm nimbus]

yeah

[tepid light]

i'm dumb then, ignore me

[high island]

Have you watched any Cast speedruns lately?

[tepid light]

I do not watch speedruns much at all, I'm more occupied actually playing the game myself

I admit my mistake about exit wounds, anyway

[warm nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDXeWcS0T4A heres a bad run by a bad player

good example of why exit wounds is pretty much just entirely useless

[snow skiff]

I'm ngl double edge feels so much nicer than trying to go for the attack combo with shadow slash

[high island]

Anyway, point is you can absolutely do that if you know how to optimize your builds.

[rustic vale]

“Can’t oneshot everything” trippy beo would like to disagree

[latent moon]

i think it's more like, any good beo build lmao

[tepid light]

beowulf be like

[snow skiff]

Beoment

[thin cypress]

whats uc

[high island]

The power difference in a Cast build between an average run and somebody who knows how to optimize Cast builds can be pretty huge.

[rustic vale]

Underworld customs

[lean timber]

ignore him he's trolling

[rustic vale]

Forced you to purge a boon at the end of each biome

[lean timber]

i'm going to destroy you gc

[thin cypress]

smh gatekeeping

[high island]

But the basics for doing a powerful Cast build are pretty simple to learn.

[raw herald]

True, an example of this is to use talos for the increased cast damage

[lean timber]

how far are you into the game gc

[tepid light]

my brain still refuses to acknowledge talos as a castspect

[thin cypress]

uh, i cant send pics here?

[lean timber]

lol

[mint coral]

use embeds

[lean timber]

it's not lmao

[thin cypress]

https://imgur.com/a/ywHsywy

[lean timber]

WHAT

[latent moon]

lmfao

[tepid light]

evidently @raw herald disagrees

(joking)

[latent moon]

i mean it technically is in the sense that it makes your casts deal more damage to enemies like achilles

except in a much much worse way

[mint coral]

@rustic vale the keepsake itself doesnt tell you about the dmg bonus in specific

[raw herald]

Talos could be global damage and not be broken

[tepid light]

speaking seriously, by that logic, anything that could increase damage taken from casts would be a castspect

[mint coral]

the call tooltip tells the +100% and you need to read the invisible tooltip to notice it gives dmg

[lean timber]

talos could give epic hypersprint and rd in c1 and not be broken

[raw herald]

Gilgamesh is a better castspect than talos

[mint coral]

eris is a castpect yeah

[raw herald]

ok steady on

[tepid light]

[silver nimbus]

quick question how does the bonus damage from eris activate with cluster rockets?

[latent moon]

i mean i think technically all weapons have some sort of "castpect", like technically eris is one because it boosts all damage including casts

[high island]

Talos Blizzard Shot and Talos Black Out are pretty decent Cast builds.

[tepid light]

not affected, you still get the same damage bonus if you stand in one of the cluster bombs aoe's

[raw herald]

Go up to enemy, nuke them point blank

[lean timber]

blizzard shot makes everything a castspect

[faint flint]

wew

[tepid light]

ur mom is a castspect

[lean timber]

ratio

[faint flint]

artemis special on rail is....

[tepid light]

gottem

[faint flint]

surprisingly good

i got cluster rockets

[mint coral]

clockets gaming

[faint flint]

which is good already

[latent moon]

clockets gaming

[faint flint]

i'm surprised at how nutty artemis on it is

[rustic vale]

👍

[mint coral]

crits good and the lower % is off set by eris

[warm nimbus]

its the best special boon on eris

[rustic vale]

Really? Does it only tell you about damage bonus when small call?

[warm nimbus]

on most things where you want to increase the base damage id say arty is equivalent to or superior to aphro

[faint flint]

artemis? really?

i thought it'd be ares or something

since you'd be sporadically casting it

then doing other damaging stuff

[latent moon]

i prefer aphro special on rail solely because i suck on rail

[warm nimbus]

and on eris is especially good because of the built in 75% global damage

[rustic vale]

Teah

[mint coral]

cluster + rockets is 400 base dmg at point blank

[rustic vale]

Arte attack zag rail 💪💪💪

[tepid light]

in my experience, you want to be constantly using rail's special, and dropping bombs everytime you can
and you want boons that directly increase the special's damage

[rustic vale]

Dropping bombs non-rocket bomb moment

[warm nimbus]

no, you get a lot more value out of increasing the base damage of the special

[high island]

Talos being melee with single-target +50% Attack/Cast damage while Eris is ranged with +75% global damage is an example of good balance.

[lean timber]

i think it's quite fair and balanced

personally

[warm nimbus]

i mean... eris is melee anyways

[mint coral]

[faint flint]

i just wish the game showed the base damage of each thing

[mint coral]

test on skelly

[rustic vale]

I mean it does thougg

[faint flint]

and showed where things are additive and where they are multiplicative

[rustic vale]

You either test on skele or see the hammer

[lean timber]

welcome to the hades server!

[high island]

It's not melee if your Tidal Dash keeps all your enemies at range.

[rustic vale]

Practically everything is additive easy

[tepid light]

ur mom is additive

gottem x2

[rustic vale]

only multiplier is crit

[raw herald]

And swift strike

[high island]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_Calculation

[latent moon]

speed is multiplicative

[rustic vale]

Well speed is multiplicative but I was talking about damage soufces specifically

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/1013563616915636224/2022082817363400-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg

[rustic vale]

Wtf

[mint coral]

why do you believe people dont notice the bonus dmg

[faint flint]

if only there was a way to test boon on skelly

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/1013563617175687298/2022082817363700-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg

[rustic vale]

Wdym test boon on skele

Which boons deal damage and don’t tell you how much they do 🤨

[warm nimbus]

swift strike isnt multiplicative

[mint coral]

yeah boons are normally fine

keyword in normally

[faint flint]

well would be nice to see how stuffl like dionysius overwrite each other

[mint coral]

oh that

new stacks delete older

[raw herald]

?

[mint coral]

dont have more than 1 source, and why peer pressure is dumb

[warm nimbus]

i dont even know how i would describe the mathematical relationship with swift strike

[faint flint]

peer pressure looks so good on paper

but that's it

[rustic vale]

I just never try to have more than one source of hangover

[high island]

Peer Pressure virtually never even gets to proc in a good build anyway.

[warm nimbus]

epic swift strike (30%) increases dps by 43%

[rustic vale]

Peer pressure is so good off paper because funni bug

[mint coral]

it doesnt save it from bad

[rustic vale]

facts

[faint flint]

oddly i've never used hangover that much

so like 5 stacks

means the victim takes 5 times the hangover damage?

[rustic vale]

Hangover is one of my favourite things to build

[tepid light]

yep

[mint coral]

hangover is fun on eris

[rustic vale]

They take damage from each stack

[high island]

Easy. It doesn't do anything.

[faint flint]

any good on fists?

i tend to prefer demeter if i'm stacking stuff

[tepid light]

aphrodite+dionysus duo boon build is pretty great

[rustic vale]

yes

[tepid light]

causes hangover to do so much damage

[faint flint]

40% slow very good

[rustic vale]

dio attack aphro special demeter

[warm nimbus]

ugh why does the US have like real aioli

[high island]

Curse of Agony is ideal for DPS on Malphon, though.

[warm nimbus]

all of the aioli here is just like flavored mayonnaise

[rustic vale]

curse of Agony?

[latent moon]

demeter atk on fists means you're putting a % bonus on something with a very low base damage so that's not doing much except for slow i guess

[rustic vale]

Oh wait

[mint coral]

ares atk

[rustic vale]

That be attack

[faint flint]

true true

[rustic vale]

I never learned the names for doom sources other than curse of vengeance

[high island]

Yeah. Agony => A => Attack. Pain => P => Pecial.

Easy.

[rustic vale]

Curse of Nausea moment

[tepid light]

me thinking zeus strike is best on fists because once again, unga bunga tendencies

[faint flint]

ares on fists??

artemis on fists

[latent moon]

MEment

[faint flint]

crits never go out of style

[tepid light]

ok please remind me what ME means

[latent moon]

merciful end

[mint coral]

merciful end

[rustic vale]

Merciful end

[mint coral]

i win

[tepid light]

gah i always forget

[warm nimbus]

artemis attack is bad on fists

[rustic vale]

Only on dem special

For fists

[warm nimbus]

even then not good bc then you cant build into ME

[faint flint]

yeah % boon

[rustic vale]

True

[lean timber]

your necial

[latent moon]

get zeus atk, arty special and get r o d

[warm nimbus]

artemis is a % boon

[rustic vale]

Artemis good on fists because artemis cast opens deadly reversal

🧠

[warm nimbus]

you want flat damage on fast attacking damage sources

[faint flint]

i know that

[high island]

That's a pretty good guide if you're interested in the build meta. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[faint flint]

covering fire tho

[rustic vale]

Supporting fire kinda cringe tbh

only good for charging call

[warm nimbus]

that page also has a few off meta builds that are still good

[faint flint]

urgh i'm having to take forced overtime now

smh

[rustic vale]

ME ZAG OR ERIS RAIL 🧠🧠🧠🧠

[high island]

Support Fire is pretty nice on Malphon and Exagryph.

[lean timber]

support fire certainly is a boon that exists in the game

[tepid light]

that's why i love zeus strike on fists, as said before

and support fire

[rustic vale]

zeus strike on fists good because smair

[lean timber]

zeus atk aphrodite special

[tepid light]

well more like because it nicely fits the principle of "flat damage increase on low damage attacks"

[rustic vale]

dio call

[lean timber]

super epic win button time

YEAAAAAAH

SMAIR DIO LFGGGGG

[rustic vale]

Smair dio big win

[signal aspen]

Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a boon with such an ability and damage with artemis? Support Fire puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a boon with its power and enhancement of the game again. Merciful End breaks records. Mirage Shot breaks records. Suppot Fire breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

[high island]

Melee build variety would be so much better if Merciful End didn't exist.

[lean timber]

idk man as

[tepid light]

Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a boon with such an ability and damage with artemis? Support Fire puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a boon with its power and enhancement of the game again. Merciful End breaks records. Mirage Shot breaks records. Suppot Fire breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

[warm nimbus]

indeed, but melee weapons would also then be worse lol

[rustic vale]

Especially because aphro special opens low tolerance

[lean timber]

mmm

[lean timber]

a small price to pay...

[rustic vale]

Support fire also good because more chance for pressure points to cause hunters mark but who has 3 artemis supporting boons

[lean timber]

...

haha yeah who does that

[high island]

I'd be fine with that ngl. I never liked Merciful End.

[lean timber]

nyaa 🤝 matty

not caring for merciful end

was never on my list of cool boons

it's powerful but just unimaginative

[tepid light]

tbh i like merciful end more for the flavor of the boon than for the mechanical applications

the idea of the loved and hated sides of war working together

[warm nimbus]

people trying to do exit wounds on poseidon

[lean timber]

strategy < absolute raw aggression

[tepid light]

TRUE

that's why i dash in and hold the left mouse button on gilgamesh

[warm nimbus]

the one good thing about exit wounds is the fact that its a fully loaded prereq lol

[lean timber]

yeah

[high island]

Exit Wounds is quite nice for boss damage, and pom scaling is really good.

[tepid light]

me taking exit wounds on poseidon and slamming my face on the keyboard

[rustic vale]

Exit wounds beo

[high island]

Hacker.

[lean timber]

what if beo casts lodged for a frame

exit wounds stocks jump to infinity

[high island]

There's probably a bug we haven't discovered yet that does that.

It's Beobug after all.

[lean timber]

i'm quite certain lmao

[tepid light]

Btw @high island i pulled off the hidden strat and got to the secret region, "Detroit"
i did it by standing in front of thanatos, dashing 50 times in place, and then dying in lava

[rustic vale]

Did you get shanked by Charon

while there

[mint coral]

when is the parting shot beo meta coming back

[lean timber]

"if you wait in the courtyard for >20 minutes, kill skelly 3 times, take crush shot (rare) on dread flight beo, your casts will lodge for three frames"

[warm nimbus]

wait what?

[mint coral]

joking

you could get it before

and did a total of nothing

[tepid light]

no, he's the one who dumps you there

[lean timber]

erebus is just detroit without the crime

[rustic vale]

Bad news trippy beo meta when

[lean timber]

right now

[rustic vale]

Or just bad news beo meta when

[hardy spear]

hell is just better detroit

[high island]

Detroit: Become Shade

[rustic vale]

Black out bad news beo meta when

[mint coral]

when we can materialize our dream build into existence

[tepid light]

agreed

when will exit wounds proc on each fists punch

[mint coral]

when no zeus internal cooldown

[lean timber]

your dream build? ri0 ap0 there you go. don't need much more then that

[mint coral]

when pommable legendaries

[tepid light]

TRUE

when will doom stack like hangover

when will jolted reduce enemy movespeed by 100%

[hardy spear]

theres a boon that does that kind of

[tepid light]

not good enough

[lean timber]

doom does stack like hangover they just require you to get a boon that does anything about it

[tepid light]

i want doom to stack up to 5 times baseline and repeatedly proc

[lean timber]

col

[hardy spear]

aphro ares duo

[lean timber]

that's your repeat

[tepid light]

i want it now

[mint coral]

reduced dmg each proc

[lean timber]

[wraith sand]

man

why can you also damage your Schelemeus summon

[strong ridge]

inferior being

[high island]

He'd be very sad if you couldn't.

[wraith sand]

hm

true

[tepid light]

Your what summon?

[latent moon]

Skelly

Story stuff

[tepid light]

Ah

Anyway, just cleared heat 13 with merciful end nemesis

I remember why both of those things are considered strong

alright, time for heat 13 with guan yu

this is gonna be painful

[austere loom]

got a couple chaos special buffs

and artemis special for Lucifer

it's a whole nuke

in combination with triple bomb

the only reason why I haven't beat my time is because it's rather hard to get enemies within it as it explodes

[tepid light]

i am starting to adore aphrodite + ares

the amount of damage you can do is ridiculous

just finished an eris run with cluster bomb, ares strike, aphrodite special, duo boon, and aphrodite legendary

til that charming hades interrupts his beam attack

[gusty finch]

Does an attack that inflicts weak benefit from the privileged status damage boost (aka is the weak applies before damage is calculated)?

[lean timber]

got to the heroes. i can do this

[lean timber]

no

has to already be on them to proc

[patent mesa]

are you sure

I swear the weak attack itself would PS up

[lean timber]

i was told the opposite

idr who said

[latent moon]

First atk only activates it, the second one will do damage

Found that out with passion beo

Loading one cast and hitting them didn't give me a funky sound

[patent mesa]

huh interesting

PS seriously in shambles why is it so restrictive

[austere loom]

Demeter, Dio and Aphro seem to be the only ones that can consistently benefit from it

provided you get 2 out of 3

[latent moon]

I'm only like 90% sure but I could be wrong

[latent moon]

Technically ares too

[austere loom]

Ares feels too short unless you put it on attack

but yeah

technically Ares

[latent moon]

Jolted and exposed from Zeus and Athena respectively but those are tier 2 boons

Marked from arty but that's not really great for PS

[austere loom]

marked is a weird debuff

it's strong but it'll most likely hit the 2nd priority

unless you're in like a boss fight with summons

and you just happen to crit a mob so the mark applies to the boss

[latent moon]

Oh all the gods can proc PS can't they some just require t2 boons

[austere loom]

I know

but I'm talking bout consistency and ease

[latent moon]

I'm just now realizing it lmao

Yeah ik

[austere loom]

the gods I mentioned have "sticky" T1 debuffs

[latent moon]

I guess that sorta explains why some people like taking PS even though they shouldn't in their build

[austere loom]

if I'm ever to have Artemis in my build

[lean timber]

mmmm long duration status curses my beloved

[austere loom]

I'm def swapping out PS for Family Favorite

[lean timber]

marked is a status curse and procs ps

[austere loom]

yes

[lean timber]

nah u want fam fave with arty

[austere loom]

but it's the most annoying to get on your target

ironically enough

[lean timber]

marks everything but the main enemy lol

[latent moon]

PS is like hardly ever useful except in like 2 builds as far as ik: Chiron and passion beo
Maybe 3 if you want to include like Dio special aphro atk Rama

[austere loom]

I'm in a bit of a fence

Arty or Aphro for Hestia?

[latent moon]

Aphro

Arty crits on hestia is overkill, aphro is easier to hit break points with especially with how great her pom scaling is

[austere loom]

hoh

[latent moon]

As long as you don't get common aphro atk you're fine

Common isn't bad it's just sad

[lean timber]

well i just killed myself trying to reset sd. 🙂

[austere loom]

yeah

[lean timber]

was waiting for my time

figured it'd happen

[latent moon]

It do be like that sometimes

[lean timber]

"we're heading home."

i've never heard him comment on a death in his trial chamber

kinda stunned me

[austere loom]

Chaos attack boons are good for Hestia, yeah?

[latent moon]

Yeah

[lean timber]

chaos attack boons are good for any weapon except fists fym

[austere loom]

kinda misunderstood how it worked at first

[lean timber]

what kinda question lmao

[latent moon]

Atk and dstrikes are good on hesty

[austere loom]

weird seeing how simple it is

[austere loom]

even non-hestia rail?

[lean timber]

eh

yeah eris

[austere loom]

I misunderstood it as the reload applying bonus damage on TOP of the attack

[lean timber]

and lucy with its ramping

[austere loom]

like 20 is the base damage and it just adds 150 or something

so the 150 doesn't technically count as the attack

weird I know

[lean timber]

surprise surprise, +% is good on high base damage attacks, who figured

[austere loom]

but I seem to have it mixed up with some other game

[lean timber]

that would be quite ass ngl

[austere loom]

I know

[lean timber]

good thing it's not like that

[latent moon]

That'd make hesty so bad lmao

[austere loom]

I wonder which game I mixed it up with

[latent moon]

Hoarding slash lmao

[austere loom]

does hoarding slash work like that?

[latent moon]

The damage gets added after everything

[lean timber]

yeah kinda

it's not base damage to say the least

if someone had told me straight up when i first asked why hoarding slash was garbage, i would have never asked again

[latent moon]

Like if you crit an atk, the bonus damage from hoarding doesn't get added to that it just gets slapped on top of the crit damage

[lean timber]

that's a way better answer than "muh money management"

20 crit = 60 + 380 obols = 79 damage instead of the 117 it should be

[high island]

4 gods have t1 status curses, 4 gods have t2 status curses.

[lean timber]

nyaa i'm coming very close to 50

hit heroes for the first time

and that's gonna be my chokepoint for a while

em3 hard who knew

[latent moon]

Lmao who knew

[high island]

Just win.

[lean timber]

were it so easy

[high island]

It's what I did.

But I did 51.

Are you doing an EM4 pact?

[lean timber]

hell no

lmao em4

[high island]

Yeah, do EM4.

[lean timber]

nope.

[high island]

I guess then make it harder for yourself, that works, too.

[latent moon]

Em4 would take heat off some of the worse pacts lol

[high island]

Yeah.

EM4 makes the run a lot easier and makes it a whole lot easier to just get a broken build to kill dad with at the end.

[lean timber]

ah yeah let's turn on em4 so that i, who doesn't even do great with em3, can come all that way to die over and over instead of dying in ely like a man

em4 won't even relieve me of ri i don't think

if it does that changes things a bit

[latent moon]

How much ri are you doing

[lean timber]

2

[high island]

Why would you take RI?

Urgh.

[latent moon]

If you take em4 you can turn off all of ri

[lean timber]

ok em4 relieves me of ri... i dunno... we can try it i suppose

one run. we'll see how i like it

[latent moon]

I'd suggest practicing em4 lol

[lean timber]

that sounds like work

[high island]

Don't do RI. Dark Foresight is the whole reason there was such an influx of 50+ clears right after 1.0 dropped.

[latent moon]

DF busted

[high island]

It's the difference between getting to dad with 200 HP and 5 boons or getting to dad with 400 HP and 10 boons.

[lean timber]

yeah i definitely get that ri sucks because it's been the downfall of 80% of these runs but also it was to save me from em4. i kinda found a way around ri that i can tolerate for now, but if this works, i can't complain...

[latent moon]

I think now the only hard part would be dad fight lol

I'm pretty sure you can avoid em4 and ri on 50

[lean timber]

not without some serious punishment from ap2 and js/cp if i recall

but i'll play with it when i inevitably return to the house of hades!

[latent moon]

True some aspects can't handle that sort of stuff

[patent mesa]

it's not too common

since it requires AP2 which sucks

[lean timber]

ja

honestly?? in my honest crappy opinion?? i think rama does better with ap2 than most other aspects

[patent mesa]

flat damage oriented aspects like castspects and jolted users can get away with it

but then those aspects run into issues of AP2 heavily reducing pom value

[patent mesa]

that's def not a hot take

[lean timber]

sometimes i'm smart

[patent mesa]

yeah rama's kinda known for tanking AP2 hammers etc

[lean timber]

explosive shot coming in clutch to ruin your day tho

but yeah hammers especially rama just eats thru most of the time

rama is so good. i knew i liked it from the start for a reason

[patent mesa]

jealous

[latent moon]

Anvil manip cheese exploding away lol

[patent mesa]

so far rama's been a nightmare for me at 50

[lean timber]

Christ rama anvil

you're joking right lmao

[patent mesa]

have you seen the unmodded rama 60

[lean timber]

i would actually harm myself if i anviled on rama 80% of the time

[patent mesa]

dude gets relentless volley and hail mary's anvil for two broken pickups

[lean timber]

well of course i have lol

[latent moon]

If you buy the anvil and get stuff you don't like you can quit and rebuy the anvil until something good happens lol

[lean timber]

relentless is honestly not the worst hammer on rama. spreads shared suffering way more and is good for spreading any status curses on it. but are there way, way, way better hammers? duh

[lean timber]

no way

you're joking

[patent mesa]

yeah relentless is fine

if I AP2 into it I won't be too unhappy

[latent moon]

Aoeui did it earlier, he mentioned it lmao

[patent mesa]

it's no repulse

[lean timber]

repulse is actually 🤓

i'm not even gonna lol

[latent moon]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[lean timber]

repulse suck

yeah i saw that

[latent moon]

Works for eurydice for rarity upgrade lol

[patent mesa]

even works for between regions when you misinput purging pool

not that I've ever done that of course

[spice hare]

oh my god finally poseidon heart unlock

couldnt find a fishing spot until the cerberus area third reroll

[lean timber]

ok i'm sick of not being able to decide

pov: you need one (1) more heat for 50. you have a choice between putting one (1) heat into either calisthenics program or jury summons. both start at zero (0). which are you putting it into

[high island]

JS is pretty free on Rama.

[tepid light]

jury summons imo

[lean timber]

wut?? really?

cp also feels free, save for bosses...

[rocky lance]

Does JS give more gold from mobs?

[high island]

Why are both at 0? Just do like JS3 and reduce Heat elsewhere.

[tepid light]

that's exactly why i wouldn't take cp; jury summons only applies to regular encounters, while cp would also make bosses all the harder

[tepid light]

yes

[rocky lance]

Nice

[high island]

CP1 is still fine mostly, CP2... blerg. But if you're doing EM4, you don't want CP at all.

[tepid light]

Oh yeah god no

I don't need dad to be even harder to deal with across 3 phases

[lean timber]

you don't think the timesave of all the other encounters being shorter makes up for it?

[tepid light]

i mean, doesn't all enemies having higher health also add to the time you have to spend on each encounter?

[lean timber]

not as much as entire waves...

[tepid light]

depends on the exact type of enemy, i'd imagine

[high island]

Doesn't matter if you die. You don't want to make the hardest fight in the game any longer than it needs to be.

[tepid light]

^

[lean timber]

bleh

[tepid light]

Hades update: jury summons now creates a second hades during the final boss fight

both receive em4 upgrades

[lean timber]

speeder cloner hades...

[high island]

EM4 already has 22,000 max HP normally. You don't wanna increase that to 25,300 or 28,600 unless you absolutely have to lol.

That's just one phase.

[tepid light]

I was about to ask

Does each phase have the same amount of max hp

And I may be misremembering, but it seems like Hades starts with some hp gone at the start of phase 3

[latent moon]

I think phase 3 has less

[tepid light]

Yeah I remember activating calisthenics program once and I could DEFINITELY feel the increased hp on dad

Made things a lot harder

[high island]

Phase 3 starts with less but max HP is still 22,000 and he can heal back up to that.

[tepid light]

And it's still phase 3, with all that implies

[latent moon]

Oh yeah em4 heals so you're dealing more damage than his total hp lmao

Fun stuff

[tepid light]

em4 is a doozy

and i love it tbh, despite all the salt it produces for me

[patent mesa]

apparently for high heat EM4 you're supposed to snipe pots he's trying to heal with

looks like an absurd doozy

[lean timber]

rama special has entered the chat

[tepid light]

tbh i actually find it easier to just wail on him during the healing animation
because with any reasonably good build, it's not hard to damage him faster than he heals, and since he just stands there, it's quite easy
esp. if you pop like an aphro or artemis call during that time

[latent moon]

On phase 3 when it gets dark I have no idea how you're gonna be able to find which pot he's healing from lmao

[tepid light]

the pots glow brightly when he's healing from them

[latent moon]

Yeah but also screen gets dark and I'm panicking because I have no idea where he is lmao

[tepid light]

understandable, that's why you practice and slowly learn to keep calm

despite how chaotic phase 3 can be

[latent moon]

Nah I'm just never touching em4 again

[tepid light]

that's also an option i suppose

[tepid light]

i'm 99% sure that rama special arrows won't target pots

they don't count as enemies

[lean timber]

yeah, free aim

a lot of rama special ends up being free aim for me cuz i tend to start far away

[tepid light]

ah i see

[lean timber]

and special target is pretty bad in general i find

[patent mesa]

idk man hesty loves shooting pots

[lean timber]

yeah that's cuz those shots count

if your shots don't count it won't target

ez

[patent mesa]

attack only hestia is unaruably

[tepid light]

in my last run i had cluster bomb on rail, so i just dealt with the pots by drowning the whole arena in explosions

was very entertaining

[austere loom]

sheesh

final ending after like

80 runs

[tepid light]

congrats!

[high island]

You're wrong.