#h1-discussion

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dusky solar
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why is it that erebus gates are designed in a way that makes it way easier to no hit them than normal chambers

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i mean i know its all about no hitting

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but like

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cmon

latent moon
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try js3 cp2 bp2 lmao

dusky solar
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no <3

latent moon
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fair

lean timber
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how are you getting into erebus gates

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you're not past 10

dusky solar
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because i use >5 heat???

latent moon
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5 is tart

dusky solar
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theres gates in tart

latent moon
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10 aspho, 15 ely

lean timber
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lol tart erebus gate

latent moon
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i mean tart is the easiest place to do it lmao

dusky solar
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its free rewards what can i say

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but still

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erebus has no traps or gaps or anything

winter harbor
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Maybe just so you can concentrate on getting no hit

dusky solar
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fair

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turning off BP be like

latent moon
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i cannot express enough how bad slicing flare is

patent mesa
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my favorite part of erebus is how it contains dire enemies

dusky solar
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it might be good with black metal and engulfing vortex though

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but its oft hard to actually get both of those

latent moon
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i've yet to see ares again lmao

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i saw aphro three times, but one of them was forced

dusky solar
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no ares?

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sad

warm nimbus
dusky solar
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the only asp i dont have a win on (atleast on my main save) is eris

warm nimbus
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@patent mesa sub6 when

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i can finally bug you to get a sub6

patent mesa
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wtf

dusky solar
warm nimbus
latent moon
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hg for ely

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you can use hg for the well before ely and before styx

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just change it after you buy

patent mesa
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god damn that's insane

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well played

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what were splits roughly?

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those poseidon t2s look spicy too

warm nimbus
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3 rat rooms

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and i messed up champs

patent mesa
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bruh 1:30 ely

warm nimbus
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with bad champs

patent mesa
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jealous

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my elys are all 2

warm nimbus
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if i did champs fight well and got no rat rooms couldve been like 5:3x lol

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but im not complaining

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WAIT

patent mesa
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I'm afraid you got me completely beat on speedrunning

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I'll never get sub 6 I don't think

warm nimbus
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NO PLEASE DONT TELL ME

dusky solar
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will never understand how you go fast in ely the fkin bowmen are way too fast

patent mesa
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lmao what

lean timber
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feather duster best keepsake is sending messages too quickly

latent moon
dusky solar
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was it supposed to be 16 heat?

warm nimbus
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no omg

dusky solar
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as it is noticeably 9 heat

warm nimbus
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i think that was the first run of the session

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which means i cant submit it to src

latent moon
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9 heat is standard speedrun pact

patent mesa
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9 heat is the meta for speedrunning

warm nimbus
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are you kidding me

patent mesa
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bruhhhhhhhhhh

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no death

latent moon
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rip

lean timber
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BRUH!!

dusky solar
lean timber
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need a death to prove unseeded run

latent moon
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not showing the death at the start could mean it's a seeded run

lean timber
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so sad...

dusky solar
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ugh

patent mesa
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suffering from success

latent moon
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so you have to die and then actually do the run

dusky solar
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damn

warm nimbus
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OMG YES I DID 1 RUN BEFORE IT

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JUST 1

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LETS GO

lean timber
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LET'S

latent moon
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NICE

patent mesa
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clutchhhh

dusky solar
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niiiice

lean timber
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GOOOOOOOO!!!!

patent mesa
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what place does that put you

dusky solar
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what is the 9 heat pact, anyway?

warm nimbus
lean timber
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fo2/em2

patent mesa
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epic

dusky solar
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i dont see how em2 could make it faster

latent moon
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lernie heads closer

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less running, can hit 3 at once

lean timber
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more hit better

dusky solar
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but the furies?

latent moon
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same hp

lean timber
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what about the furies

dusky solar
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idk just still more difficult i guess

warm nimbus
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furies are same speed

latent moon
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furies take like, 10 seconds

patent mesa
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furies can be slightly slower with extra attacks but it's worth it

warm nimbus
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also that run had a furies pb btw

patent mesa
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instaphase?

warm nimbus
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yep

patent mesa
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cracked

warm nimbus
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1st phase had a crit

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and i got all of my prefires

lean timber
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mmm crit.

latent moon
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em1 furies dont mean anything if they get instaphased lmao

patent mesa
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man you're the superior speedrunner

dusky solar
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does the speedrun pack remove tisiphone fights because of the pauses midfight?

patent mesa
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I could never sub 6 and won't ever try for it

lean timber
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the 30th best one in the world

patent mesa
dusky solar
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why not wth

patent mesa
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tis is ever so slightly slower than the other two furies

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because she only has 2 invincibility phases

lean timber
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they take pretty much the same amount of time because her invuln window is mostly the transition to the next room so it's not very much extra

patent mesa
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speedrun modpack removes the egregious time losses ie barge, asterius, tiny vermin

dusky solar
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why DO the furies go invincible anyways, whats the point

patent mesa
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tis isn't enough of a time loss

warm nimbus
lean timber
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to piss you off

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lol

warm nimbus
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which is a lot harder

tepid light
warm nimbus
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but its no barge/tiny vermin/asterius

lean timber
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tiny asterius on barge 😳

dusky solar
latent moon
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so you dont completely 1 shot the boss lmao

lean timber
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to piss you off

patent mesa
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unmodded 60 heat rama running into asterius and losing tooth to him via a stupid mistake

latent moon
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and also to indicate different moves they're gonna do

tepid light
lean timber
warm nimbus
warm nimbus
patent mesa
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has anyone seen that 60 heat rama btw

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it's god tier

warm nimbus
dusky solar
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in my last hades fight he went invuln mid-greater call cast TWICE and i never got any benefit out of it

lean timber
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yeah

patent mesa
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think so

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dude keeps asterius alive trying to pop SD

warm nimbus
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dude i am ecstatic rn

patent mesa
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asterius goes sicko mode and pops both SD and tooth

tepid light
warm nimbus
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i was about to discord the aspho leave

patent mesa
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lmao

warm nimbus
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and then i just decided not to

lean timber
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the c u r s e

warm nimbus
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33 patty 34 fountain btw

patent mesa
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discord curse is nonexistent change my mind

patent mesa
lean timber
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it's not real lol

warm nimbus
lean timber
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i don't believe it

warm nimbus
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i decided to not discord a good pace for once in my life

patent mesa
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my 55 was discord

warm nimbus
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and i god a sub6

warm nimbus
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my 6:21 was discord too

dusky solar
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at this point im not convinced that fountain rooms arent a time loss for speedrunners

patent mesa
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see

lean timber
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your takes are worse than mine

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like way worse than mine

patent mesa
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lmao true, especially when tartarus fountain rooms randomly don't let you dash

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that drives me crazy

dusky solar
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wait I WAS JOKING WHAT

lean timber
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i think if you mash you can get to dashin pretty well. although sometimes it says no which does suck

dusky solar
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DONT TELL ME FOUNTAIN ROOMS ARE ACTUALLY A TIME LOSS

lean timber
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why tho tartaruss

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tart a russ

patent mesa
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they're 99% a time gain

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but certain rooms can be faster

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they're really rare

lean timber
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gotta get the right mix of enemies + room geometry

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good luck finding a combat room faster than a fountain

patent mesa
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I think early tartarus rooms with the skull spawning things are one example

dusky solar
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the only reason that id ever use greater reflex is for speedrunning so i can get around faster

lean timber
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yeah could be sometimes

dusky solar
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are any speedruns done without beo

latent moon
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i mean

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many

warm nimbus
dusky solar
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like what?

warm nimbus
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you do them by aspect

latent moon
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fastest unseeded and unmodded is hera

lean timber
warm nimbus
latent moon
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fastested unseeded and modded is also hera and both are by croven lmao

lean timber
warm nimbus
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beo being generally regarded as the best of those

lean timber
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let us pray lmao

latent moon
patent mesa
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non beo speedruns are a hoax invented by big eris to sell us more clockets

latent moon
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modded is 4:49 bruh wtf

warm nimbus
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also people do speedruns on other aspects to get the fastest time on that aspect

dusky solar
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huh

lean timber
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modded should just be 0:30. embrace the cheat, spawn fountain every room except dad

dusky solar
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wheres my gilga speedruns at

warm nimbus
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like for example cherry plays a lot of gilga because he enjoys it and so like a gilga 5:50 would be way more interesting than a beo 5:40

patent mesa
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lmao imagine if you could replace furies with fountain chamber

lean timber
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"no thank you i do not feel like fighting today"

dusky solar
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at this poipnt the furies are just a fountain chamber

warm nimbus
lean timber
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i'm slower

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in general

dusky solar
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i totally havent lost DD multiple times to alecto specifically

warm nimbus
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wait i just realized i couldve gotten a way better time

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i was using boiling instead of abyssal

lean timber
warm nimbus
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i cant believe this wtf is wrong with me

dusky solar
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wait but isnt boiling faster?

lean timber
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everyone makes mistakes

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try again maybe?

warm nimbus
dusky solar
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how so??

warm nimbus
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increases your damage by a ton

dusky solar
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HOW

lean timber
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the slower speed helps you group enemies better as well

warm nimbus
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because of how good it is

dusky solar
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is it just because of the grouping or what

warm nimbus
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(your casts dont lodge on beo)

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so it doesnt matter as neither of them do anything

lean timber
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we do a small amount of trolling

dusky solar
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goddammit

warm nimbus
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theres also the classic "shouldve been using dark regen instead of cthonic vitality" joke for high heat

lean timber
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dark regen is carrying me rn tbh

dusky solar
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i gave up deciding which one of those to use

lean timber
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vitality

dusky solar
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i think i have cthonic but idek

latent moon
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okay ngl

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slicing flare isn't too bad

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maybe it's because i have an extra cast

dusky solar
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did you get engulfing and black metal?

latent moon
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maybe it's because sweet surrender makes it do more damage and i have common rd

latent moon
void vigil
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i like dark regen, i like the big healing boost at the end of the biome

latent moon
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also slicing flare is considerably large so i dont think that needs to be any larger lol

warm nimbus
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1:40.15 / 3:00.49 / 4:32.99 / 5:23.50 / 5:52.24 theres the splits

dusky solar
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dark regen is good for if you are doing a heat youve already completed & you have LC on but not maxed

patent mesa
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bruh 3min aspho leave

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so jealous

warm nimbus
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was pretty accurate with the approximate ones

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also the run had c12 than

patent mesa
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wtf ce

void vigil
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i dont see the point in doing the middle LC tbh

patent mesa
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you can't skip c12 and 34 in the same run

dusky solar
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but if LC isnt on at all then the regen mostly doesnt matter since the between fountains fill you up anyways

warm nimbus
lean timber
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there isn't one

void vigil
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its just kinda meh

warm nimbus
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also skipped 22

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with eury

patent mesa
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ce ce ce

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seriously though op job

lean timber
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(champion edition)

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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what's next

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eris sub6?

void vigil
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lc4 sd is not that hard for me and no lc is just normal

lean timber
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sub8 50 rama?

patent mesa
dusky solar
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for climbing heats rn im taking lc1 alot. its an extra 1 heat to tack on and its a small enough amount that i largely dont notice

patent mesa
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LC2 preserves 2 health from vitality which is really nice

void vigil
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interesting

warm nimbus
lean timber
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camel

patent mesa
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but frankly LC1-0 is probably the right play almost all the time

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or 4 obviously

warm nimbus
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yeah in between lcs arent great

dusky solar
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if i didnt do 2 extra paths in my latest run it wouldve been a pb lol

void vigil
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i dont play with heat anymore, so

patent mesa
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snacks and well heal is op

warm nimbus
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its just that he likes objectively incorrect pact decisions

patent mesa
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lmao

warm nimbus
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like js3

patent mesa
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JS3 = epic bodyslam damage

lean timber
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js3 goes hard

void vigil
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my first heat choice was always CF but people here dont like that :P

dusky solar
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i wasnt even trying to go fast last run and i had sack at 20

lean timber
patent mesa
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CF is a good heat when you're at a struggle heat

lean timber
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cf for first heat seems... inconvenient but manageable

warm nimbus
dusky solar
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cf is just there i guess

patent mesa
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CF0 can be preferable for players that can handle high heat with really good fundamentals imo

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it's like it lets you win harder

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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also yeah CF2 is super super annoying

void vigil
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if it doesnt affect the enemies, its fine for me

lean timber
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cf64 run when

patent mesa
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so high heat sweats like to take it off to flex and improve their mental health

warm nimbus
void vigil
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also i used to not buy anything to save for the titan blood/diamond so it made nooo difference for me

patent mesa
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I kinda see it as running AP0 instead of AP1 at high heat

warm nimbus
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another thing high heat sweats is avoid ap2

warm nimbus
lean timber
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love the big styx buy

warm nimbus
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although there are a few sweats that claim that ap1 makes a massive difference

latent moon
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high heat also does not like CP

lean timber
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or at least i did

warm nimbus
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which i dont think it does

patent mesa
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over 0?

warm nimbus
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yeah

dusky solar
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AP2 is a thousand times worse than AP1 because the extra gold wraiths are just too good

patent mesa
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well 0 improves consistency considerably I'd say

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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AP0 is playing +2 heat but you never get completely screwed

warm nimbus
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but i think ap1 is kinda just like cf3

patent mesa
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so if you can handle 52 just fine you can do AP0 to crush 50 with high consistency

dusky solar
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i just dont wanna give up gods pride is all, i love me some epic boons

warm nimbus
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if cf3 existed

patent mesa
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lol

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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CF3 would be instant take but also pull your hair out

warm nimbus
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i hate ri

latent moon
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dc2 probably isn't terrible if i'm doing slicing flare at 40 right

patent mesa
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hm

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what's your pact otherwise

warm nimbus
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idk cshot damage kinda good

lean timber
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doesn't sound particularly fun if you can't get hunting blades

patent mesa
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I'd probably still stay away from DC2

warm nimbus
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same

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id take at 45 not 40

latent moon
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i forgot to do hl5 so it's now dc1

patent mesa
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what's your JS at

warm nimbus
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thats the worst amount of dc

latent moon
dusky solar
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if RI1 took away rerolls and family favorite id have no problem i think but losing gods pride is tough

patent mesa
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hm

latent moon
warm nimbus
patent mesa
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honestly just try JS3

lean timber
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true

patent mesa
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I feel like any kind of beo shouldn't have issues with it

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don't @ me

latent moon
patent mesa
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meh do CF2

latent moon
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i could take cf1 instead of dc1

patent mesa
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and take off AP

latent moon
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aight

patent mesa
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insert JS as needed

dusky solar
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i used to take JS 1 for every heat because i figured the extra obol id get from the increased enemies wouldnt be too bad. i do not think its worth it anymore.

latent moon
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if i take off ap and take cf2 then i'd still have dc1

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should i jsut switch for js1

patent mesa
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JS1

latent moon
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aight

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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JS3 CF0

warm nimbus
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and then its good

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cf fine on slicing beo

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because the pom scaling sucks

patent mesa
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yeah I suppose

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so you just want the ares t2s?

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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idk what you'd even go for here to scale

latent moon
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i was gonna go for aphro in aspho and fish for sweet surrender

dusky solar
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whats t2s mean

latent moon
warm nimbus
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well theres mirage

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and uh

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hermes

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wells

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chaos

latent moon
warm nimbus
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no poms though

patent mesa
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and that refers to boons that have prerequisites

dusky solar
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what does that refer to

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oh

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i see

patent mesa
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in this case ares tier 2s are black metal and engulfing vortex

dusky solar
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yeah

patent mesa
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since they both need some kind of blade rift

latent moon
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i just need to remember to pick up boon fodder in tart lol

dusky solar
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yea

patent mesa
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hm well slicing flare would build gauge decently right

latent moon
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i sold rare aphro atk last run but lucked into epic atk in aspho lmao

warm nimbus
latent moon
dusky solar
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i also always try to fill my ability deck in tart

warm nimbus
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why is ps4 the default platform on src lmao

patent mesa
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so this is really weird but maybe force dio for call

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since dio call is insanely broken at high heat

latent moon
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i'll give that a shot

dusky solar
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dio call with billowing strength is so much yes

latent moon
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won't need a t2 for that which is nice

patent mesa
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again this is a flowchart I'm not really familiar with since I've never forced dio just for call

latent moon
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just need to get the boon™️

patent mesa
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I've only gotten dio call naturally and had it hard carry every single time

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it's honestly insane how good it is

latent moon
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32 heat was sweet surrender with rd, which was easy

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tart wasn't easy tho but whatever

patent mesa
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yeah

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this is aspect of slicing flare not aspect of RD

dusky solar
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rd?

latent moon
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yo hammer start again let's go

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rush delivery

patent mesa
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cshot I assume

dusky solar
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which issss

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what

patent mesa
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oops

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charged shot

warm nimbus
dusky solar
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no not that, rush delivery

warm nimbus
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zeus is more damage and slicing flare will zoom call meter

patent mesa
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sorry I still think dio > zeus at heat

latent moon
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bruh erebus gate was ares and normal c2 was aphro and i took aphro

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guess i'll get slicing flare later

warm nimbus
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it charges call really fast

patent mesa
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yeah but dio call still op

warm nimbus
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and this is ap0 ri0

dusky solar
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what does rush delivery do????

warm nimbus
latent moon
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doesn't zeus need t2s to scale better and dio call just needs to exist

dusky solar
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whats it from

warm nimbus
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50/75/100/125% based on rarity

warm nimbus
dusky solar
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ive not seen that once

warm nimbus
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you have to either have greater haste/hyper sprint/plume to see it

patent mesa
dusky solar
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is it legendary?

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
dusky solar
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no i used to use plume a lot and i am an avid enjoyer of the other two, i never see it

latent moon
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you can info it in #h1-victory-boasting, i pinned it in my last screenshot and it's the latest message

patent mesa
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bot flex

latent moon
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also all common aphro bouldy

dusky solar
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so sad

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i had to stop playing for the night, i can tell im getting worse

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tomorrow ill come back and maybe ill do my first 10 heat

patent mesa
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good luck chief

dusky solar
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only bow is up there though

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so

latent moon
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c6, 56/100 hp already let's go

dusky solar
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idk well see how it goes

patent mesa
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welcome to the wonderful world of SD

dusky solar
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and yes im still using FO2 it would be too easy with out it

patent mesa
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where you eat two slugger thug shots in c2 and say whatever

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I love SD sometimes

tepid light
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heroic artemis cast and demeter special on poseidon
I love you, eurydice

dusky solar
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i love SD too its like a makeshift after party except you die at hades really often

tepid light
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(yes i'm aware i locked myself out of the duo but it's worth it)

warm nimbus
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the full story

patent mesa
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bruh

warm nimbus
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lmao

dusky solar
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shield atk procs boons that activate with knockback affects regardless of it being pos or not, right?

warm nimbus
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yep

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which is only sea storm lol

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and wall slam ig

dusky solar
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no no, its sea storm beaver and razor

warm nimbus
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i dont think it procs bwave though

warm nimbus
dusky solar
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oh

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cringe...

warm nimbus
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those specify boons with kb effects

dusky solar
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but

warm nimbus
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sea storm doesnt

latent moon
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BRUH alecto was 1 hp and i got trapped bouldy

dusky solar
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i wanna do a shield build with aphro atk and sea storm

latent moon
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actually pissed

patent mesa
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were you doing HS

latent moon
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yes

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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don't do that

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JS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HS

latent moon
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i had aphro atk too so i could definitely roll for call in aspho

patent mesa
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change my mind

dusky solar
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itd be funny

warm nimbus
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you barely move

latent moon
warm nimbus
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actually funny story

latent moon
patent mesa
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HS sucks below 50 change my mind

warm nimbus
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i got potted p2p2 of dad in the sub6 lol

patent mesa
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bruh

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isn't that like 2s

warm nimbus
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yeah around there

patent mesa
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cracked

warm nimbus
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i instaphased p2p1 actually btw

dusky solar
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do knockback effects still trigger sea storm on bosses?

warm nimbus
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even without rd

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turns out 3 braids is good

tepid light
warm nimbus
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and pos boons will trigger shoals etc

dusky solar
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what if, now i know youd make clearing most rooms neigh impossible if you didnt have beaver,

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but

tepid light
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bosses are immune to knockback itself, but not any effects associated with the knockback

latent moon
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im gonna reset for hammer start

dusky solar
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what if zag rail, pos atk sea storm

warm nimbus
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dont

latent moon
warm nimbus
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if you want to do super soaker just do luci

dusky solar
tepid light
latent moon
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it's difficult to notice in the heat of the moment sometimes but if you're running like tdash and tempest strike you can definitely notice it lol

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noticed it during my ff shield run

dusky solar
#

the fact that you called that the super soaker made me laugh so hard i almost pissed myself

warm nimbus
#

omg why is yt taking so long to process hd

patent mesa
#

dem fists + poseidon can noticeably knockback bosses

latent moon
dusky solar
#

WHAT

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im actually going to cry laughing

warm nimbus
#

and yep its a speedrun cat on src

dusky solar
#

TELL ME THE SPEEDRUN PARAMETERS

winter harbor
#

I wonder how long it would take to 100% 4 files

latent moon
dusky solar
#

TELL ME THAT ITS JUST RAIL WITH POS ATK FIRST ROOM AND THEN SPEEDRUN

latent moon
#

luci, not any rail

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but yeah

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

i guess i can see why itd look more like water on luci but ehhhh?????

latent moon
#

luci, eternal chamber i think, find seastorm somewhere

dusky solar
#

that is the best thing ever i need to see the runs

latent moon
#

somewhere there

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

that is too funny

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why unmodded for that ?

warm nimbus
#

hades cheat engine smh

tepid light
#

oh hey, finally got greater recall

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not particularly useful for this build, but nice

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

the WR is 19 minutes long im crying

warm nimbus
#

and i dont think youre allowed to set it to triple

warm nimbus
#

i dont know what youre looking at

dusky solar
#

modded alterations are able to be turned off, no?

warm nimbus
latent moon
dusky solar
#

i accidentally looked at the real time crying

warm nimbus
#

also that 6:40 is actually completely nuts

dusky solar
#

why is there a loyalty card speedrun?????

warm nimbus
#

@patent mesa just know that somebody has a super soaker run faster than your pb

warm nimbus
#

cat extensions are essentially just random fun categories speedrunners thought would be fun

dusky solar
#

i havent evengotten the loyalty card, what does it do

warm nimbus
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and then convinced src mods to add

dusky solar
warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

i used to do the nipple% speedrun in super mario odyssey for fun

latent moon
dusky solar
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i got just under an hour if i beleive

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

so its just a race to get the card?

warm nimbus
#

yep

dusky solar
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how do you get it

warm nimbus
#

fight charon

dusky solar
#

i

warm nimbus
#

youve never decided to "borrow" money from him?

dusky solar
#

what?????????????

warm nimbus
#

are you blind bouldy

dusky solar
#

no, hes my best mate

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i never attack him

warm nimbus
#

in midshops theres a 22% chance he has a sack of gold you can steal

latent moon
#

have you not seen it before or just choose not to take the money

warm nimbus
#

then you fight him

latent moon
#

also why can't you pom engulfing vortex this is a scam

winter harbor
#

He’s a very difficult right

warm nimbus
#

hes chill about it dont worry though

warm nimbus
latent moon
warm nimbus
#

hes difficult if youve never seen the attacks before

winter harbor
#

He hits for a ton, so try not to get hit

latent moon
#

but you get the most value if you fight him in tart

dusky solar
warm nimbus
#

but thats like everything ever

dusky solar
#

lemme look this up

warm nimbus
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youve almost certainly missed it lmao

dusky solar
warm nimbus
#

it would be a statistical anomaly if it just hasnt shown up

dusky solar
#

then again i never take midshops like ever...

warm nimbus
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why

dusky solar
#

youll get a shop at the end of the region anyway

warm nimbus
#

they have boons

warm nimbus
tepid light
#

boons, upgrades, health

warm nimbus
#

why would you not want more shops

tepid light
#

do you just walk around with a bunch of gold you do nothing with

dusky solar
#

i dont have enough money for all of the shops!

tepid light
#

what are you spending it on

warm nimbus
dusky solar
warm nimbus
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unless you just buy everything you see lol

warm nimbus
tepid light
#

i guess that answers that

warm nimbus
#

just buy what helps your build

dusky solar
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unless i dont need health or whatevs

latent moon
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what's better, snow burst or engulfing vortex

warm nimbus
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and 90% of the time youll have enough for every shop

warm nimbus
dusky solar
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but i do buy darkness and gems and such, i need to max more

warm nimbus
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or keep, rather

dusky solar
#

id take EV

latent moon
warm nimbus
latent moon
#

engulfing kinda doodoo actually

warm nimbus
#

yep

dusky solar
warm nimbus
#

vicious kinda sucks on slicing flare

latent moon
#

flare doesn't last that long, the .4 extra doesn't do much

warm nimbus
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since the casts dont last very long

dusky solar
#

but

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but

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wh

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i

latent moon
#

slicing flare is doodoo and i'm doing it on 40 heat

dusky solar
#

it still will do more damage though

latent moon
#

not really

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

whats snow burst again

latent moon
#

whenever you cast you deal damage and chill around you

dusky solar
#

oh right

#

oh

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dang that sounds good for beo

latent moon
#

none of the t2 rift boons are actually good lmao

latent moon
warm nimbus
#

where its no longer the meta for high heat beo

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i mean passion flare is

#

just like lol gl trying to get snow burst

latent moon
#

lmao yeah

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i got budget snow burst with mistral dash and frost strike i think tho lol

dusky solar
#

okay i watched a video and even though i do on occasion visit mid shops i just straight up have not seen that bag ever, theres no way idve missed it

latent moon
#

epic engulfing, a sweet 150 gold from that heck yeah buddy

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what do you need to trigger charon fights again? just need to reach credits or something right

dusky solar
#

im sorry charon does how much damage now

latent moon
#

also what to take into aspho btw, fish for dio/zeus call or aphro atk or what

latent moon
dusky solar
#

40 damage

latent moon
#

he also has a move that stuns you

dusky solar
#

is that regardless of region

latent moon
#

yes

#

the fight stays the same no matter what

dusky solar
#

low key terrified

latent moon
#

obv riskier to do so in tart but will give you the most value throughout the run

dusky solar
#

also he seems to have a ton of hp

latent moon
#

if you do it in ely you only have wells, end shop and styx

warm nimbus
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not that bad though

latent moon
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what do i take into aspho lmao

#

this is horrible

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

dem and ares

warm nimbus
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take arty

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hope for pos

latent moon
#

oh mirage

warm nimbus
#

yeah

latent moon
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theoretically what if i did no mirage to prove how dumb beo is for stella lmao

dusky solar
#

can you fill up on 4 gods and then force a fifth for family favorite?

latent moon
#

you can get like 8 or 9 gods with family favorites

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not with, more like "for"

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just keep forcing gods and taking them

dusky solar
#

also who decided to make final expense payback mix THAT much of a bop holy crap

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

thats not it

latent moon
dusky solar
#

what the heck

latent moon
warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

keyboard i expressly copied the video link

warm nimbus
#

nice trans meme

dusky solar
#

why do you not work

latent moon
#

nice trains meme

warm nimbus
latent moon
dusky solar
#

thats not a trans meme thats a meme about straight people starting forest fires for gender reveal parties

latent moon
#

oh

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
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close enough tbh

dusky solar
#

ANYWAY

#

thats what i meant to copy

latent moon
#

instead of making the smart decision to take arty and pray for pos into aspho, i will take dio and pray for call just to see what happens

tepid light
#

YES

warm nimbus
tepid light
#

BEAT DAD WITH POS BLADE

#

FINALLY

latent moon
tepid light
#

ALL IT TOOK WAS 4 HEROIC CORE BOONS

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AND A LVL 6 ARTEMIS CAST

dusky solar
#

i did that earlier today on 6 heat FO2 bouldy

latent moon
#

dw if i can beat 50 heat with a crappy beo build i can definitely pull this off

warm nimbus
#

true

dusky solar
#

i had a lvl 7 dio cast

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and a chaos cast boon

latent moon
#

this is objectively worse but it's a lower heat so therefore it's viable

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i hope i dont die in c2 of aspho

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also braid in well is nice

dusky solar
#

i might put on gods legacy for a small bit just to fill out the legendary and duo boon prophecies

warm nimbus
#

or just be cool like me and have them not filled out

latent moon
#

based

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oh god i forgot how fast resetting sd is with hs

warm nimbus
#

i also still havent reached epilogue

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i might be the second ever player to sub6 without reaching epilogue

dusky solar
#

listening to final expense and then the payback mix is like an audio version of the "daniel; cooler daniel" meme

warm nimbus
#

ngl unseen ones kinda better

tepid light
#

anyway, that's heat 12 fully cleared

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on to 13

warm nimbus
#

50 tmrw i assume?

latent moon
#

yo what if i do infernal trippy flare instead

tepid light
latent moon
#

also rolled once, didnt get call very cool

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

true

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

ah this is c20 i might have to take strong drink for fodder

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can i sell premium vintage?

patent mesa
#

nope

latent moon
#

aight not taking that then

#

strong drink time

warm nimbus
#

strong drink good though dont sell it

tepid light
latent moon
#

not much else to sell tbh

#

what do i even take from eurydice lmao

warm nimbus
#

speaking of hitless i had a really weird experience the other day

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i blocked an attack with shield attack

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i never started charging bullrush

#

isnt that weird

warm nimbus
#

id honestly reset there

#

just bc i dont want to play out the run

tepid light
#

oh wait i didn't finish 12 heat with rail

#

welp, this shouldn't take long

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first boon, epic artemis attack

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on hestia

warm nimbus
#

this is actually interesting data

latent moon
warm nimbus
latent moon
#

left aspho with 2:27 left

warm nimbus
#

lmao

latent moon
#

ooh touch of styx in the well

warm nimbus
#

why is chiron my 3rd most used aspect

latent moon
#

hourglass time

warm nimbus
#

did i seriously try chiron 50 for that long

latent moon
#

lmfao

tepid light
#

question, how does hestia work with delta chamber

warm nimbus
#

thats it

#

you can still reload

forest gust
#

You can still reload it manually for the empowered shot

tepid light
#

gotcha

#

wondering whether it's worth it

latent moon
#

bruh dio does not want to give me call

forest gust
tepid light
#

eh, decided to try it out

latent moon
#

ayo i found poseidon in ely maybe taking arty in aspho would've been a good idea

warm nimbus
#

i hate you

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you took dio in aspho to get call

#

didnt get it

#

and couldve had mirage

latent moon
#

hehehe

#

will you hate me more if i actually beat this run

forest gust
warm nimbus
latent moon
#

i'm so tempted to take rare crop literally because nothing i have cares about rarity lmfao

warm nimbus
#

battie has been used in 833/870 of my runs ever lmao

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

it's either that or frost strike

#

too late in ely tho so rare crop isn't worth it but it would've been funny

warm nimbus
tepid light
#

huh, delta chamber actually feels kinda nice on hestia
the pauses in between bursts make the reloads feel organic

latent moon
#

okay ngl, slicing flare isn't as bad as it seems

tepid light
#

cluster bomb's dmg penalty doesn't affect things like doom, right?

latent moon
#

shouldn't

#

but also why you putting doom on special

tepid light
#

because it's epic doom, and because this build is concentrated entirely on my strike at this point

#

OH HEY I GOT FULLY LOADED, LMAO

#

TOO BAD THIS BUILD HAS NO USE FOR MY CAST

latent moon
#

everything is wrong with your build lmao

tepid light
#

whatever you say

#

going pretty damn well where i'm standing

tepid light
#

ALWAYS THE POTS

#

GAH WHY DO I GET OVERCONFIDENT

#

CURSE YOU HADES AND YOUR PROPENSITY FOR GREEN EARTHWARE

latent moon
#

Pot moment

tepid light
#

Ah well, this'll still be easier than all the effort I went through trying to clear on pos sword and hades spear

#

I just need to be less horrifically overconfident next time

dusky solar
#

what ha0pens if you try to use meg on the furies

tepid light
#

it doesn't work

#

because she refuses to hurt her sisters

dusky solar
#

can you use meg against meg

#

wait hold on

#

dont answer that

tepid light
#

pretty sure the answer is no

dusky solar
#

i havent gotten to that point in the story

#

so

#

just

#

ill figure it out

#

i just wanted to know because id be disappointed if she didnt stab you for trying to do that

latent moon
#

Idk if there's a dialogue for using meg on furies

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

everyone seems to have agreed that meg is the best companion, what are the others and why do they see no use?

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

Than takes too long to drop only for 1k more damage

#

Sisyphus is only 1k damage but if you need healing then it's good

#

Achilles can do 3k damage fast but it's split between 2 targets sometimes so it's not great on champs

warm nimbus
#

skelly doesnt do damage, than takes too long, so does dusa, bouldy doesnt do very much damage, achilles just does less damage overall

tepid light
#

than is fun to use on demeter builds

warm nimbus
#

also, you meg tart aspho and ely midboss and then heroes and dad

tepid light
#

when it's much easier to force enemies to stay in one place

dusky solar
#

what does skelly do then?

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

Spawns a dummy that aggros

dusky solar
#

that sounds lame as hell

warm nimbus
#

its pretty much useless

latent moon
#

I mean it's skelly what do you want him to do

dusky solar
#

how much ambrosia am i gonna need?

latent moon
#

His job is to get killed literally lmao

warm nimbus
latent moon
dusky solar
#

uh oh

warm nimbus
#

well, 16 with the one you give

latent moon
#

Wait 11

warm nimbus
#

wait is it only 11

latent moon
#

Yeah

warm nimbus
#

oh thats not bad then

dusky solar
#

i turbed all my ambrosia jnto blood

warm nimbus
#

well just turn your diamonds into ambrosia

dusky solar
#

do you need ambrosia for all of them?

warm nimbus
#

or nectar

latent moon
#

Maxing a companion is 10, you need to get another companion afterwards

warm nimbus
#

you need ambrosia to max bonds and level up companions

dusky solar
latent moon
#

Lmao

tepid light
#

F

warm nimbus
#

but i mean you only need to level up meg anyways

high island
#

Skelly is great in Erebus and great for Hades before you can use the other summons in the fight.

dusky solar
#

im still not even halfway dont maxing the weapon aspects 😭

warm nimbus
#

true never thought about erebus

#

but battie is still way better

latent moon
#

Skelly for dad fight to draw away the sneak lol

warm nimbus
#

just max the fun ones

#

like beo and eris

dusky solar
#

but all of them are fun

warm nimbus
#

thats it

latent moon
dusky solar
#

every single one is fun

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

yes

warm nimbus
#

pos sword?

dusky solar
#

yes

warm nimbus
#

huh

#

wack

latent moon
#

They're fun if you ignore the gimmick and get ME

dusky solar
#

did you wonder why i never complained when i asked what to play and was told to use commonly considered crap weapons

tepid light
#

talos is awesome
poseidon is pain

warm nimbus
#

the aspects i find fun are beo eris luci gy nem and rama

warm nimbus
#

zag fists is more interesting

tepid light
#

something something "fun is subjective"

dusky solar
#

pos is fun, its honestly the best sword if you ask me. it ditches the crap sword scaling and gives you 50% cast damage instead like a chad

warm nimbus
#

lol nem is amazing though

latent moon
warm nimbus
#

it has absurd scaling

#

well not absurd scaling but the damage is really good

#

and it scales really well

tepid light
dusky solar
#

ive gone nem with like clean kill and epic crit strike and everything and it did fkin squat for damage

latent moon
#

Oh speaking of aspects

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

I just saw someone on Reddit make an aspects tier list

#

And it's got some interesting takes

warm nimbus
#

try going for ME or a good crit nem build

#

ME is obvious

latent moon
warm nimbus
#

crit nem you do arty/aphro attack and arty/aphro special and get heart rend

dusky solar
#

what could possibly be better than crit for a critting weapon

latent moon
#

Bigger crits

warm nimbus
#

or arty attack and athena special for deadly reversal

#

then hunter dash or tidal dash for damage

#

dedge is best hammer obviously

#

scales really well with chaos bc attack% dash strike% and special% are all good

tepid light
warm nimbus
#

and then get like rd or something

#

clean kill with arty attack isnt a build

#

also clean kill is like one of artys worst boons

latent moon
dusky solar
#

or you could go hoarding and deal plus 50 base damage and let the crits multiply it into oblivion

tepid light
latent moon
#

Beo in mid high because it's "high risk high reward" is very questionable

warm nimbus
tepid light
#

because you spend money?

warm nimbus
#

the damage isnt multiplied by attack damage or global damage

#

at all

#

so your epic aphro attack does nothing to affect the like 15 damage you get from hoarding slash

dusky solar
tepid light
warm nimbus
#

its really annoying but alas

#

it might actually be decent if it was lmao

latent moon
#

Rama struggling at high heat is not true at all lmao it's great at high heat until you get em4 sneak/butterfly ball

warm nimbus
#

i mean like theoretically 600 gold with hoarding slash should double your dash strike damage

tepid light
warm nimbus
#

which would be insane

#

but it doesnt

latent moon
warm nimbus
#

yeah at least other aspects can attempt to deal with bball/sneak

tepid light
warm nimbus
#

on rama you will pretty much die no matter what lol

latent moon
#

I want to reply but there's so much stuff on there that isn't where it should be

dusky solar
#

on rama you get epic swift strike or reset

warm nimbus
latent moon
warm nimbus
#

literally the 2 overall best aspects in the game and theyre in b tier

latent moon
#

And dstrikes are faster than epic swift

dusky solar
#

yeah but that makes the regular strikes even faster than the dash strikes

#

i think

warm nimbus
#

not worth it

warm nimbus
#

slower by 1 or 2 frames

dusky solar
#

this is so sad

latent moon
warm nimbus
#

youd technically do more dps but the problem is dashes are really important for positioning on rama

dusky solar
#

oh i thought epic swift was forty im dumb

dusky solar
latent moon
#

If Eurydice hits it to make it heroic then sure I guess but then you won't benefit from dstrike bonuses

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

Lmfao

dusky solar
#

still not doing that

warm nimbus
#

sorry forgot it was a crutch

latent moon
#

Positioning is more important than damage but aight

dusky solar
#

i like damage what can i say

warm nimbus
#

positioning = damage on rama

latent moon
#

Actually that's not true on beo

#

Beo you don't care about your position you just nuke

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

as ive said the only reason id take gr is to get around faster for speedrunning

latent moon
#

Practicing speedrunning for 1 weapon unironically makes you better at the game lol

tepid light
#

at this point i wouldn't bother trying to convince stella about this

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

yeah no im dead set on rr stop trying to convince me its not gonna accomplish anything

tepid light
#

i think feather duster is just gonna keep at it

dusky solar
#

theres a million other things you could help me out or advise me on and you insist on prodding at the one thing that i find defines my playstyle

warm nimbus
#

zag sword, nem, poseidon, arthur, zag spear, achilles, hades, guan yu, zeus, beo, zag bow, chiron lol, hera if no flurry, rama, zag fists, talos, demeter, gilgamesh, zag rail, eris, hestia, and finally lucifer

latent moon
#

The other thing that defines your playstyle is never touching beo lol

warm nimbus
#

that is 22/24 aspects

dusky solar
#

girl, i know its hard to drop things but at this point you are just wasting your energy

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

you say go right ahead but you keep bringing it back up

warm nimbus
#

yep and i will until you switch

latent moon
#

Lmao

high island
#

Let people play how they want to play.

dusky solar
#

you underestimate my persistence

warm nimbus
#

and you mine

tepid light
#

sigh

dusky solar
#

(also yeah its kinda frickin rude to pick on me for my choices, i dont think you are maling a bad choice for using gr i just think for the way i play id be better without)

#

(its not achieving anything to try to convince me its just being an a hole)

#

i think beo is easy but the people who use it certainly arent bad, no?

high island
#

Telling people how they should be playing when they've made it clear they don't want to play that way is really not in the spirit of the server.

dusky solar
#

with how mechanically intense this game is i think anyone who can escape even once can be considered good, regardless of their playstyle or choices

#

if what they are doing is working for them, then who are we to stop them?

high island
dusky solar
#

oh sorry

high island
#

Good is subjective anyway.

latent moon
dusky solar
#

am i allowed to use asterisks

#

or no

latent moon
#

Prob not

dusky solar
#

is frick acceptible

warm nimbus
dusky solar
#

where are the boundaries, my autistic brain doesnt understand implied lines very well and i genuinely need to know the exact boundaries

tepid light
#

oh there you are, feather

high island
#

Never seen the mods say anything against frick. But asterisks is a no.

warm nimbus
dusky solar