h1-discussion

[lost ermine]

nvm

just remembered you play unmodded

[snow skiff]

Just set ur mirror to rr on scripted hermes and pick up purple dashes

[void vigil]

i think most people dont do hell mode unless they want to do really high heat or want a challenge from the beginning

[high island]

Yeah, single dash EM4 in high heat is pointless. I grinded that fight with just one dash quite a bit when the fight came out, and they pretty much ignored all my feedback (they took quite a bit of it into account for normal Hades fight balance before), so I assume they're just fine with the fight being designed for 2 dashes.

[lost ermine]

the speedrun modpack have a button to toggle hell mode on/off

[dusky solar]

i know theres a mod to change a file to hell

idk how to installit though

[snow skiff]

Hell mode is lowkey really lame

[raw herald]

Hell mode isn’t even necessary at 50

[high island]

I like Hell mode.

[void vigil]

you can ask for help in the modding server, pinned in #self-promotion if you want help with installing a mod

[dusky solar]

still hellmode has the unique punishment that makes you lose burst protection

so technically you can go one heat higher in hell mode

[lost ermine]

uhh

[raw herald]

Being forced into calesthenics program still sucks

[lost ermine]

a couple pacts are forced in hell mode

[snow skiff]

I feel like it could've done something more than just "haha you have to use these pacts"

[raw herald]

And PL isn’t a free pact either

[lost ermine]

js and cp is just ugh

[dusky solar]

cp sucks yeab

[tepid light]

it is very hard to go back to any other shield after using beowulf continuously for a while
all the other options feel so weak in comparison, even if they actually aren't

[raw herald]

(They are)

[dusky solar]

chaos shield for the win

[lost ermine]

you're right

[snow skiff]

Where's beo 61 then hmm ???

[tepid light]

well, i feel validated then

[dusky solar]

i think beowulf is way too easy so i never use it

[raw herald]

When RI3 doesn’t exist

[snow skiff]

L

[high island]

Hell Mode at high heat doesn't really matter until around 55+, which is also around when we started making Hell Mode saves for our high heat grinds.

[tepid light]

i've cleared heat 11 with every weapon except shield, and i'm trying to use other shield aspects

[dusky solar]

i played beowulf ONCE for the prophecy and three shot hades both phases and never touched it again

[tepid light]

it's very painful

[lost ermine]

i have fond memories of me dashing into blue bloodlesses in aspho and getting instant stunlock comboed to death playing 45heat

[snow skiff]

Actually why wouldn't beo 61 work with the same strategy as the other shields

Aphro attack cshot

[raw herald]

Slow af

[lost ermine]

1 cast gaming?

[tepid light]

zeus shield is fun but boy is it awkward to use

and zagreus/chaos are just plain weak

[snow skiff]

Nobody actually knows how to use zeus shield

[patent mesa]

yeah beo frame data is just worse

by a lot

[snow skiff]

If they tell you they can use it they are lying

[dusky solar]

zeus is strong, i like it. just toss special and dps out of your mind.

[raw herald]

Angel’s first 55 beo was RI3 cshot

[lost ermine]

unless baj and angel are talking

[patent mesa]

lol wild

[void vigil]

i remember when zeus shield was a hammer. those were the days

so op

[patent mesa]

bruh what

[dusky solar]

i generally prefer chaos shield, it do a beeg dameg

[high island]

Zag Shield is top tier.

[void vigil]

you could throw your special and still attack

[patent mesa]

oh but not a blitz disc

[void vigil]

but it got turned into an aspect

no no

[raw herald]

Attacking while your special is out should be a feature of chaos shield

It’s so bad

[tepid light]

don't have any upgrades on it yet

[patent mesa]

sounds like the best shield special hammer besides explosive return zeus purely so that misinputting it wouldn't downgrade you

[tepid light]

been devoting all my blood to upgrading the other aspects

[dusky solar]

zeus' whole thing is dpsing harder

[lost ermine]

i want a rework

i've said that like 4 times lmao

[patent mesa]

zag shield still works at lvl0

aka it's still super broken

[high island]

Well, at Lv.0 it's just Chaos Aspect.

[snow skiff]

Chaos shield is basically zag shield lvl0 and it has 61 heat

[lost ermine]

basically titan blood buffs special speed and the shield applies a random status affect when it hits enemies

[snow skiff]

👍

[dusky solar]

chaos shield is my favorite weapon in the game i dont see why yall have such a problem with it

[patent mesa]

it's clunky

[snow skiff]

Because boosting base shield specials is such a nothing upgrade

[patent mesa]

special is too risky

[void vigil]

it got a debuff in early access that really weakened it, it used to be much stronger

[raw herald]

Your special takes so long to return to you, and you’re left vulnerable

[lost ermine]

special damage drops off and antisynergy with me because you can't apply doom to enemies

[patent mesa]

tbh I can't imagine star chaos even being that good

[lost ermine]

and yeah al lthat as well

[patent mesa]

would it compare to zag shield

[tepid light]

eh, maybe i just need more experience with it
it just feels incredibly underwhelming to use

[patent mesa]

well the secret is you need charged shot

[snow skiff]

U need charged shot

Otherwise it sucks

[dusky solar]

i... dont have that problem...? once the main shield returns you can attack again, you dont have to wait for the shield colies

[raw herald]

The special didn’t bounce a lot

[patent mesa]

without cshot it's kinda good but lacks dps

[tepid light]

ok well that's kind of an important thing to mention first

[lost ermine]

shackle ZagSh

[raw herald]

There’s the problem, the main shield still takes ages to come back

[patent mesa]

without cshot you should probably do aphro attack and like smair

idk

[raw herald]

Pulv blow

[void vigil]

ea chaos was the aspect 57 heat (max heat back then) was done with

[dusky solar]

typically i sit on top of an enemy and then special them and delete half their hp

[raw herald]

And then since you’re near the enemy, it kills you

[patent mesa]

sadly that doesn't work so well once FO2 comes on

[lost ermine]

turn on BP2

and fo2 yeah

[patent mesa]

yeah special only chaos just suffers from the pact mainly

[snow skiff]

Every shotgun sort of thing starts dying when you transition to higher difficulties

[tepid light]

i'm sure i could just shield-cheese my way to victory on any shield, but i'm not interested in burning 1 hour of my life on a single run

[raw herald]

Except clockets

Lol

[snow skiff]

Triple shot zagbow is another example

[patent mesa]

rip the homie charged volley

[snow skiff]

Cvolley chiron when

[patent mesa]

good thing beo's like the fastest aspect in the game

[dusky solar]

i also love using chaos special to apply doom to the entire chamber at once

[tepid light]

any shield aside from beo, should have clarified mb

[raw herald]

Mfw I do this most times I play hades

[lost ermine]

ahem aktually it's hera 4:49 🤓

[raw herald]

Except it’s usually 6-7 hours

[snow skiff]

Where 50 heat chiron

[high island]

It works more or less, but it doesn't have any advantage over other shields anymore. Potentially if you pick up a few Grasps you'd have a good run, but compare that to Zag Shield + Shackle and having a full build from the start.

[patent mesa]

hm I'm sure ME zeus is good and pretty easy

you could try that

[raw herald]

When the game doesn’t offer me nourished soul 3 times

[tepid light]

ME?

[snow skiff]

Just reset if you see demeter

[tepid light]

still not accustomed to all these shorthands

[raw herald]

Dem good

[patent mesa]

merciful end

[tepid light]

ah

athena and ares, right?

[raw herald]

Ye

[dusky solar]

whats merciful end do?

[lost ermine]

demeter when deyard shows up

[patent mesa]

it's somewhat unique on zeus because you can do either attack or special and you don't need divine dash

[snow skiff]

Just build super soakhiron

[tepid light]

your attacks that reflect also trigger your doom effects on the target

[raw herald]

Hitting a doomed enemy with a deflect attack will trigger doom

[snow skiff]

Trigger room

[tepid light]

trigger room

[raw herald]

Trigger room

[patent mesa]

so basically you have your disc applying doom or deflect, then use your attack to do the other

[dusky solar]

huh

[lost ermine]

trigger room

[patent mesa]

and you're good to go

[dusky solar]

i really like that idea

[snow skiff]

That sounds like kb is annoying but i haven't tried it so

[raw herald]

It’s very strong

[patent mesa]

I've tried it and got wrecked

but it's 100% a really good build

[snow skiff]

Pulv blow insane!

[raw herald]

Have to do ap1 ri0 to even have a chance of getting the build lol

[dusky solar]

i typically use doom spec on like every weapon

[raw herald]

I’ve attempted sprinkler Rama

[snow skiff]

Em4 free with chiron obviously

[patent mesa]

then you're a real gamer

[raw herald]

But I died to dad

[tepid light]

maybe i'll just say to hell with it, go zeus-only on zeus aspect, and just meme it

[patent mesa]

that's very good

[high island]

The key to playing Zeus Aspect optimally is to just devote your whole Hades life to Zeus Aspect like Baj did.

[patent mesa]

blitz disc be zapping

[dusky solar]

bow, shield, spear, all very fun with doom special

[tepid light]

yeah zeus shield with thunder flourish is pretty fun

[raw herald]

Fun but slow

Safe though

[snow skiff]

Doom clockets dire misfortune

[patent mesa]

the best doom build is ultimately clay pigeons hestia by a long shot

[snow skiff]

For certified gamers only

[dusky solar]

my favorite run recently was a bow run with homing blade cast, doom special, and crit attack. i killed hades SO fast.

[raw herald]

Hunting blades is fun

[dusky solar]

my entire kit was strong so i got into a rythym with my cast, special, and dash attacks and it was amazing

oh i also had athena dash and a lunge chaos boon that was like 100% or something

[patent mesa]

have you tried the other blade build with demeter + ares duo?

if you have then I'm sorry, if you haven't then good

[snow skiff]

No hunting blades on slicing flare!

[raw herald]

No slicing flare!

[patent mesa]

man hunting blades would be so fun with beo

@snow skiff have you forced it before

[raw herald]

zagpls

[snow skiff]

No but i doubt it would work purely on the basis of it being flare

[patent mesa]

sad

try forcing it anyways and see what happens

[raw herald]

Slicing flare barely stays out doesn’t it

[high island]

I like how broken Hunting Blades + Freezing Vortex was in Early Access.

[snow skiff]

Ok tomorrow it's 4:30

[high island]

And by broken I don't mean good.

[patent mesa]

yeah but hunting blades gives extra duration right

[dusky solar]

it is indeed 4:30 am

[raw herald]

Idts

[snow skiff]

Is that why they removed them interacting

[patent mesa]

huh I never use it so idk either

[raw herald]

It sets it to a duration

[snow skiff]

Because it works perfectly at the moment

[dusky solar]

im gonna go sleep then

[raw herald]

It’s less than slicing shot

But more than slicing flare

[patent mesa]

sad

imagine nerfing flare bruh

[snow skiff]

I like how every other flare reflavors the cast into the beowulf sorta pulse and then ares is just haha blade rif

[patent mesa]

it should've been a doom flare for fun

[raw herald]

And icy flare is just haha no damage for some reason

[patent mesa]

tbh icy flare with good damage would be incredible

high chance for ravenous and snow burst

and max chill > weak change my mind

[raw herald]

It would need to be well above flood and close to passion imo

The delay also sucks

[patent mesa]

wait what

[raw herald]

Cast seems to take ages to come out

Not tested numbers tho

[high island]

Presumably, or perhaps they weren't supposed to be compatible from the start. I think they made them incompatible in like a week or two.

[raw herald]

That’s just what it feels like

[patent mesa]

that really sucks if true

[snow skiff]

They should make blizzard shot + curse of drowning work

[patent mesa]

man beo being heavy shield with constant full chill though

sounds incredible

[raw herald]

They should give icy flare built in epic snow burst

Then it might be viable

[patent mesa]

only way to make double ring of ice decent

[snow skiff]

Built in heroic ravenous will

[patent mesa]

ring of ice sucks

[high island]

I prefer dead enemies over slow enemies.

[patent mesa]

notice how lucifer special is infinitely more viable than icy flare

[raw herald]

True. That’s why I love using aspect of Gilgamesh

[patent mesa]

rof >>> roi

[snow skiff]

Maim is really op

[raw herald]

Yeah

[snow skiff]

It was S tier in the v31 tier list

[raw herald]

There’s a reason it was nerfed

[patent mesa]

maim + than 😍

[snow skiff]

400 damage 😻

[high island]

Rate of fire >>> return on investment?

[patent mesa]

ares in shambles

[raw herald]

yep

[high island]

I see.

Thanks for clarifying.

[snow skiff]

Why does every fists hammer just do nothing

[raw herald]

Draining cutter:

[snow skiff]

Oh true

Its really op because you get healing through lc4

[patent mesa]

did you know maim damage heals off draining cutter

hence why gilga sweeps

[raw herald]

Hmm

[snow skiff]

Wow really

Gilga insane!

[high island]

Malphon balance was great in Early Access.

[snow skiff]

What's even the difference between flying cutter and kinetic launcher

[high island]

Then the bad weapons got buffed in 1.0.

[patent mesa]

isn't kinetic a literal projectile

[raw herald]

Kinetic works with dash upper

[high island]

One of them is good.

[patent mesa]

oh yeah the specificity of special hammers for fists is kinda absurd imo

they should all work for both

[high island]

Idk I think it makes for fun gameplay.

But yeah, Malphon was pretty much a top pick for its Early Access life, and then 1.0 changed the meta a lot and Malphon got left behind.

[patent mesa]

that's sad

my belief is that fists should get half or so of the extra range that long knuckle provides

[high island]

Also, nerfing things like Merciful End requirements, Support Fire scaling, etc., all hurt Malphon indirectly.

[tepid light]

talos best fists

objective fact

[raw herald]

True

[patent mesa]

true

[snow skiff]

Curse of drowning sweep

[tepid light]

curse of drowning simp

[raw herald]

Cod denier 💪

[high island]

Imagine the Queen of Malphon who devoted her Early Access life to Malphon, whose only wish for the hidden Malphon aspect was for it to not be another slow, heavy hitter... and her disappointment when Gilgamesh.

[snow skiff]

"heavy" hitter

[tepid light]

it is indeed a heavy hitter
in that it turns your enemies into heavy hitters

[high island]

[tepid light]

also tangent but @high island your name makes me feel a special kind of way

[high island]

Errr... grats?

[tepid light]

i realize that that was very weird phrasing on my part, in retrospect

[high island]

That's one way to put it.

[tepid light]

lmao, apologies

i feel like i'd get a lot of stupid cat-related jokes made at my expense if i had a name like that

but anyway returning to the original topic

i do wish the drawback on gilgamesh wasn't so severe

i do like the concept of applying a mark which both increases damage taken and detonates after a delay

but having the victim deal +50% dmg is a little much

aside from not making sense

[dusky solar]

i mean if you were brutally slashed, wouldnt you be upset enough to hit a bit harder?

[tepid light]

sure, but if i was brutally slashed, i'd also probably be in no state to effectively retaliate

[dusky solar]

fair

[high island]

Imagine having a bard in your party that buffs your party's damage by 25% but buffs your enemies' damage by 50%.

You'd kick them out of your party.

[dusky solar]

honestly i like gilgamesh, its a very fitting upside and downside

[high island]

That's what Gilgamesh is.

[tepid light]

yeah like i can understand the risk/reward mentality

but the downside as it exists now

just feels too harsh

and makes the aspect not worth it in most cases

[dusky solar]

you become a ravenous beast tearing through the chambers endangering yourself as much as others, and in playstyle is perfectly mirrors that wild reckless abandon for damage.

i love the aspect both aesthetically and in gameplay

[high island]

Gilgamesh is too many ideas in one aspect that don't synergize and come with too severe drawbacks.

Like you get more dashes, but the dashes are so much worse that you're better off with two regular dashes instead.

[dusky solar]

i also love the way that you gain the aspect. the bull truly wishes to engage in a fight with one who is as much of a beast as he is man, and i think the aspect fits that quite well

[tepid light]

no yeah that part is awesome

asterius' commentary on the aspect is great

[dusky solar]

gilgamesh is honestly the only hidden aspect id consider genuinely using just for fun and to rank up in heat, save for maybe guan yu

[tepid light]

i see you like to live dangerously

[dusky solar]

i mean i use ruthless reflex so i suppose thats true

i do tend to use the more dangerous options

[tepid light]

i adore guan yu thematically, but the aspect is so hard to use

the health penalty just makes you walk on a tightrope so hard

[dusky solar]

i use chaos on shield, i use hades on spear, i use zag on bow, i just love playing up in the enemies faces and attacking fluidly

[tepid light]

arthur for sword, achilles for spear, chiron for bow, talos for fists, and flexible on rail

for my own favorites

[dusky solar]

my favorite moments are when my entire kit comes together and i can just fluidly combo in between enemies without getting hit despite standing so close

[tepid light]

the rail aspects generally aren't different enough for me to really decide which one i like the most

[dusky solar]

the rail is so weird and complicated i have trouble using it a lot but i seem to get by with it just fine

[high island]

I like all of the aspects except for Zag Sword, Chaos Aspect, and Gilgamesh. Although Gilgamesh is at least a lot better now than when it was added.

[dusky solar]

consistently using reload, dash, and special all at once to properly dps on rail is very difficult for me

[tepid light]

i remember when i tried taking Spread Fire on rail to fulfill the prophecy

never again

worst experience i've had in this game

[high island]

You can just press Special any time you press Reload. No need to think.

[dusky solar]

i hate poseidon sword, achilles spear is lackluster, zag fists are too straightforward for my tastes, and beowulf is just easy mode

[high island]

Spread Fire with Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, or Merciful End is pretty strong on Zag Rail.

Achilles lackluster?

If Beowulf is too easy, you can always make the pact harder.

[tepid light]

i just can't stand it, if i wanted to do what spread fire does i'd just play fists

[dusky solar]

i took spread fire for the prophecy on a hestia run. i almost lost that one.

[high island]

Spread Fire on Hestia basically doesn't do anything lol.

Doesn't affect the Empowered Shot at all.

[dusky solar]

i was entirely saved by getting triple special hammer and having a good special boon

[tepid light]

i can perfectly well understand why spread fire would be strong on certain builds, but it just feels so awkward and wrong to use for me

[high island]

But tbh Hestia so good, it doesn't need any hammers.

[dusky solar]

^

[tepid light]

imagine if spread worked with lucifer

laser shotgun

[high island]

lol

[dusky solar]

150 base damage at a range is straight up insane

idk why people think eris is the end all be all rail when hestia does so much damage

[high island]

And the shot is pretty much instant with barely any recover at all.

[tepid light]

hestia's awesome, i just need to work on my skills with it

i've missed that first shot way too many times

because i'm too eager to start spraying

[high island]

I mean, Hestia and Eris are both considered top tier in heat and speed.

[dusky solar]

rail is the hardest weapon imo but its so fun and powerful done right

[tepid light]

true gamer challenge: eris with hazard bomb

[dusky solar]

pain

[high island]

Sword and Fists are easily the most difficult weapons.

Also the weakest.

What a coincidence.

[dusky solar]

sword is fun and simple for me

but it does crap damage

fists are just strong and consistent, nothing wrong with em

[tepid light]

i feel like it's not really possible to decide which weapons are the most 'difficult' to use
given how much it depends on each player's preferences

[high island]

Malphon DPS sucks.

[dusky solar]

also fists of demeter be like... one shot for no reason

[tepid light]

like for me, i actually found bow rather hard to wrap my head around

and i'm still getting used to non-beo shields

[dusky solar]

malphon dps is good? last time i had a malphon run i was clearing rooms in seconds

[high island]

Yeah, but you're not pushing the DPS of the weapon aspects to their limits. It's perfectly fine for casual play and relatively simple to have a good run with.

[tepid light]

this is rapidly turning into a 'hardcore vs. casual gamer' argument

[dusky solar]

for malphon i just go either drunken strike or demeter with the boon where chill blasts at full stacks. very fun.

not as fun as zag rail with support fire and zeus strike though, thats just peak shred

[raw herald]

Why not eris

[spice hare]

should i unlock erebus

[quaint pier]

is companion fidi good enough to upgrade

[rocky lava]

It is good but there are better once. I recommend Battie

[high island]

If you're talking about the actual weapon potential, then you have to consider top level of play where the weapon is actually pushed to its limits. Otherwise you're not considering the actual potential of the weapon but just looking at what a certain player can do with it.

For example, Excalibur is easy to get a clear with outside of high heat, and it's easy to get big damage hits with it. But when you push Heat, it can't really deal with certain pacts; and when you push DPS, it just falls well behind most weapon aspects. And its relatively low DPS is a major reason that it struggles when pushing Heat. So saying that Excalibur has good DPS relative to other weapon aspects would just be false because it's somewhere at the bottom.

And as for Malphon DPS, it's at the bottom in speedruns in both unmodded and modded. And it's considered one of the most inconistent weapons for speedruns because it relies so much on Merciful End to somewhat match other weapons that require much simpler builds.

[quaint pier]

yeah ive nearly gotten to that level w meg

close to unlocking

[high island]

Fidi is great for Elysium and EM4. Meg is the #1 meta pick.

[rocky lava]

Fidi is good if you don't have any other companion to use. Damage comes slower than with Battie but Fidi is more accurate

[high island]

There's easy setups for every miniboss and boss for Meg for 100% accuracy.

[quaint pier]

fidi’s my first companion

then meg is gonna be next

then hopefully sisyphus

[austere loom]

is there some sort of go-to weapons tierlist?

[spice hare]

god damn 300 damage on aspect on nemesis and thats JUST the first zone boons

[austere loom]

for reference

[rocky lava]

Where can I find it?

[high island]

Just the setup for Witches Circle is outdated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8

[rocky lava]

Thanks

[high island]

And this is the setup for Witches Circle that's used nowadays. https://imgur.com/gallery/4pXZpCl

[patent mesa]

generally speaking the top 3 weapons are bow shield rail, bottom 3 are sword spear fists

unordered

[high island]

If it's about what weapon aspects to upgrade or unlock, this might be of help. Also pinned in #h1-for-new-players. https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png

For hidden aspects, pretty much:
Excalibur: A→S
Guan Yu: F→A
Beowulf: S→SS
Rama: S→S
Gilgamesh: C→C
Lucifer: A→S

Although Excalibur drops off a lot when pushing for speed or heat.

Still one of the easiest if you're just looking for a clear at 32 or anything below that. You just get so much survivability that you can do a lot of mistakes and still clear pretty easily.

[austere loom]

interesting

thanks

[high island]

Stygius overall just ends up being super risky when you push Heat because you need your dashes to get good DPS while also putting you point-blank. And too many hammers don't do anything or actively hurt you.

[austere loom]

hammer upgrades that make attacks hit multiple times

it still counts as one attack for things like Achilles' special, right?

also why does Beo go from S to SS?

[high island]

Ridiculous burst damage that can one-shot pretty much anything, very consistent build, i-frames during Dragon Rush.

Mirage Shot is bugged and does 100% damage instead of 30% when using "Flare" casts.

The AOE and Dragon Rush bonus damage from Lv.5 Beowulf basically pushes it over the edge.

If you want consistently fast runs, you pick Beowulf or Hera. If you want consistent high heat clears, you pick Beowulf. Hera actually falls off around 32 Heat already because bloodstones no longer drop immediately when you can't one-shot enemies, but Beowulf bloodstones always drop.

Beowulf only really falls off when you can no longer get around picking either RI3+ or DC2, which is around 60ish. And it's the most dominant aspect in the meta up till then.

[lean timber]

past 60 heat it's RAMA

[high island]

Rama can't handle RI3 EM4 without getting Greatest Reflex or at least Hyper Sprint.

That fight is just pointless with one dash.

[lean timber]

rama numero unooooo

[high island]

And it can't handle Soul Catcher summons in EM4. You might be able to get some Attacks off if you have Hyper Sprint, otherwise you only get to use your Special lol.

[swift inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/edgeworth-gif-18519497

Counterpoint: Rama gaming

[lean timber]

SO TRUE i like your answer

i tried 50 rama btw nyaa

it didn't uh

it wasn't fantastic

HOWEVER i did get to ely and only got slain thru my own carelessness. i think i could have done it if i paid more attention

[high island]

I did 51 third try with Rama. Can't relate.

Your mistake was probably doing 50 instead of 51.

[lean timber]

ah yes of course

[high island]

This was attempt #1 lol. https://imgur.com/a/ZLpnBkN https://imgur.com/a/LVnDgm2

[swift inlet]

12 seconds left with smair and ME

that is horrifying

High heat really do be wild

[high island]

I didn't end up winning the next phase.

[lean timber]

DC2? JS3? EM4? AP1? RI0???

what in the world...

wait you didn't beat phase 3 in twelve seconds lmao

kek, lol

[high island]

?

What's your issue with the pact lol.

Rama doesn't have a problem with DC2 JS3. And EM4 is a lot of heat for a very doable fight if you get good damage. AP1 RI0 helps you get the damage.

Basically the strategy is get a broken build and stomp EM4 with that.

If you don't get a good build, well... just try again and get one.

But it's actually pretty consistent to get something pretty decent with only RI0 AP1.

I guess if you really want to be certain, you just reset for Twin Shot.

[lean timber]

wait you did rama

well yeah that changes things i thought this was a hera pact

[high island]

lol

I love Hera, I don't love Hera high heat.

[lean timber]

i'm debating switching back to rama. it's probably still my favorite but i dunno how i'll handle heat with it

[high island]

Rama is much better for high heat.

You can use Hera, though, you'll just have to adjust your expectations.

[mint coral]

Bad zag bow gaming

[high island]

Bad Hera is still more engaging than Zag Bow, though.

Zag Bow is fun for like 1-2 runs, then it's just bland.

[mint coral]

It do be like that

[austere loom]

huh

flurry jab is good apparently

didn't really think much of it

[high island]

Yeah, best spear hammer.

[austere loom]

does it improve the speed?

or is the functionality just that good

[mint coral]

Speed increases too iirc

[raw herald]

Threefold

[lean timber]

i love rama

hera is great too

mmmm bow gaming

[warm nimbus]

play beo

[sonic shell]

oh no

[warm nimbus]

ri1 ap1 for eris and luci 50 and thats about it

[raw herald]

ok I’ll do a test

How many 50s can I streak with eris with the 2 pact variations

[acoustic bolt]

hey kids fyi

you lose runs where you forget to turn off pstatus and have tight deadline 3 on

[warm nimbus]

honestly i bet more with ri1 ap1

[sonic shell]

btw

what are those little coins

[warm nimbus]

more consistent builds

that can easily get to dad

[sonic shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/808032171461050408/1012359517125750924/unknown.png

these things

what do they do

[warm nimbus]

those are your death defiances lol

[sonic shell]

OH

i didn't know that

i thought i just had to memorize how much i have left

[acoustic bolt]

when you die and it says DEATH DEFY! one of them goes away

[sonic shell]

makes more sense

[craggy loom]

Test

[sonic shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/808032171461050408/1012360407463231508/unknown.png

That's confusing lol

[lean timber]

it's so terribly explained lmao

[sonic shell]

fr

[lean timber]

it's humorous

[sonic shell]

can i get a better explanation

[acoustic bolt]

your cast doesn't normally benefit from backstab damage so now it does

[lean timber]

i even forgot what it does tbh

[acoustic bolt]

the duo also sucks

[high island]

But what if I do RI4 TD3?

[sonic shell]

getting back stabs with a cast sounds like too much work

[acoustic bolt]

it is

[lean timber]

it's good for hera with athena cast, that is pretty much it

[high island]

Parting Shot is quite nice on Crush Shot Hera.

[acoustic bolt]

i forget which is ri again

[high island]

RI4 turns off your whole mirror.

[acoustic bolt]

oh

[high island]

Routine Inspection.

[lean timber]

routine inspection, deactivates talents from your mirror

[sonic shell]

does a flame trolley ever spawn behind you and give you a heart attack

[lean timber]

three per rank

[acoustic bolt]

lol they're chariots

like you stand it on it and hold reins so horses can pull you. these just don't have riders for...reasons

chamber 6 lightning rod chamber 12 charged skewer

neat

[sonic shell]

ye i forgot the name

[lean timber]

c12? interesting place for a hammer

i never get them there, sure wish i did

[acoustic bolt]

oh ok just trolley is so far from chariot other than some are pulled that i wasn't sure :p

[sonic shell]

i just forgot the name

[acoustic bolt]

indeed

[sonic shell]

next time i'll call it whatever-the-hell-horses-pull

also jesus trial rooms are TOUGH

[acoustic bolt]

them wheeled things them people be standing on

[sonic shell]

aphrodite really doesn't go easy

[acoustic bolt]

she's at least got more chill than poseidon

[sonic shell]

the wheelie mfs that go boom

[acoustic bolt]

i hate poseidon trials

[sonic shell]

i'm scared to know what poseidon does

[acoustic bolt]

it's like aphrodite except faster and disappears less and corners better

and it's a wave

[lean timber]

aphrodite does a hell of a lot of damage

i dunno how much posideon does i've never been hit

aphro heart does 15

[acoustic bolt]

poseidon makes sure you understand that you can dash through projectiles

[mint coral]

They dont go boom, they go meow

[lean timber]

they go nyaaa~~ hehe OwO >_< [notices ur bulge] what's this? ehehe -

[mint coral]

Cease

[lean timber]

yes sir

[pastel monolith]

do u ever buy the thing in the well that disabled the wheelie cats

does that help for speedruns i wonder? or do they just give u different enemies instead

[acoustic bolt]

i buy it if i have the money

armored chariots with benefits package is kinda scary

[pastel monolith]

i think i bought it once ever

does it disable the big ones too?

i hate the big ones

the little ones are easy, i just dash back and forth over a barrier and they all kamikaze themselves

[mint coral]

Different enemies

[mint coral]

Small ones

Big ones have diffwrent names (and no item)

[acoustic bolt]

how does lightning phalanx work on beo

[latent moon]

i think it does help, because the mini chariots always spawns in multiple waves

so less spawn times is gonna be faster

[raw herald]

Incompatible

[acoustic bolt]

o

is mirage flood flare just the strongest beo?

[raw herald]

Ye

[pastel monolith]

i think dio cast is the strongest beo because of all the bugs that make it super power

most speedrunners seem to like aphro cast the best tho

[raw herald]

its so inconsistent

speedrunners like poseidon

[pastel monolith]

oh

i guess i havent seen that many beo speedruns

[acoustic bolt]

aphro had some good build with demeter but i forget

[pastel monolith]

but if u get the right build.. beo and dio cast can do like 20000 damage in one hit

[raw herald]

thats only a timesave in em4

[mint coral]

Trippy Beo ia fun once you get the million pieves for it

Otherwise kinda sad

[raw herald]

flood flare is consistent enough to get mirage shot nearly every time, and can still consistently get very quick boss fights

[pastel monolith]

mirage shot does double damage instead of 30% or whatever its supposed to be, and all poms do double what it says.. im pretty sure thats right

[latent moon]

flood flare is the fastest (and kinda strongest) in the sense that it leads to mirage shot the easiest

[raw herald]

mirage shot works for all flares not just dio

[pastel monolith]

the double damage glitch?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[pastel monolith]

ooo

[mint coral]

Mirage is broken on all flares

[pastel monolith]

nice

[mint coral]

Poms only trippy beo

[latent moon]

trippy is very rng dependent, passion is used in high heat when you can't reliably get mirage shot so you just go with straight damage

[mint coral]

Not trippy hera

Which idk how it happened tbh

[lean timber]

mmm trippy hera

[latent moon]

beo is literally broken lmao

to be fair trippy beo isn't that strong unless you get good chaos and wells

[mint coral]

Is not the flare cuz hera would've gotten it but is not beo cuz other flares also would get it

[lean timber]

it's just the shield itself

it's magical

[mint coral]

I think the worst beo is thunder flarw

Why tf does it backstab sometimes

[lean timber]

lmao thunder flare

what a joke

[latent moon]

mirage also doesn't work on it lmao

[mint coral]

0 cast dmg moment

[latent moon]

heck yeah buddy

how does it even do damage actually lmao

[mint coral]

The cast summons a bolt

Is basically zeus special

[latent moon]

ah lmao

[mint coral]

But there isnt cast dmg lmao

[lean timber]

i hate eating at work everyone around me expects me to work 24/7 so i eat too fast and i get a tummyache

[mint coral]

You arw pomming the bolt

[lean timber]

what's a cast

[mint coral]

So braid/cast dmg/mirage is useless

Double strike/extra stones is all your scaling

And rd ig

[latent moon]

i kinda wanna do a thunder flare run but try and get all the supporting zues boons

and then wonder why i didn't just do that on eris

[mint coral]

If you get everything it can be fine

[high island]

Armored Flamewheels are some of the fastest chambers you can get in Elysium. And unarmored Flamewheels are still faster than some of the other enemies you can get.

[mint coral]

What are like the worst possible ely chambers anyways

Unarmored swordmen party?

[pastel monolith]

shield guys maybe?

[high island]

Greatshields only really at high heat.

[latent moon]

i personally hate the tiny flame wheels because they take so long and they're always in large rooms so i can never find them

[mint coral]

Bridge room 🤮

[latent moon]

at high heat they're a blessing because it's easy but they're a speedrunning nightmare

[lean timber]

ok is the whole "armored is faster" thing a meme?? i don't understand it. why is armor faster than unarmored?

[high island]

Brightswords and Strongbows, yeah.

[pastel monolith]

lower numbers of enemies i thinj

[lean timber]

nyaa and i hate the same ely enemies lol

[high island]

Armored Flamewheels have a much higher difficulty rating. So basically the room spawns less HP on fewer enemies.

[lean timber]

wait regional difficulty is real

i thought it was just a joke...

[high island]

I don't hate them. They just keep spawning forever.

[mint coral]

How does the difficulty rating works again?
Rooms needs a certain amount to be completed?

[high island]

Chamber difficulty increases with every chamber until the Temple of Styx.

[lean timber]

brilliant insight

i had no idea lmao

[high island]

Pretty much. cgull could tell you all the details.

[karmic gulch]

Temple of styx is an exception?

[acoustic bolt]

does wave pounding actually work with flood flare

[high island]

Right. The mini chambers and final chambers have fixed difficulty, as far as I am aware.

[latent moon]

i think styx has fixed enemies yeah

like either 1 or 2 armored units, a ton of tiny rats, 3 of the pot thingies

etc

[mint coral]

Mini chambers with rats o' clock

[high island]

Yes.

[acoustic bolt]

so it's kind of good on beo then?

[high island]

Sure.

Wave Pounding is pretty good in general.

[karmic gulch]

Small rats were NOTHING against the mighty APHRODITE'S NUKE

[mint coral]

They are nothing to basically anything

[latent moon]

except the second wave hasn't spawned yet and therefore have not died yet lmao

[mint coral]

But they dont stop spawnin

[karmic gulch]

Yes, but Nuking rats was Entertainning

[mint coral]

It is

Hazard bomb moment

[acoustic bolt]

purple enshrouded shot for 79% cast damage

[latent moon]

i feel like the rooms that take forever because of easy enemies are a blessing in high heat but a nightmare in speedrunning

[acoustic bolt]

4 hidden chamber rewards

ugh

[latent moon]

based

[latent moon]

dw just pull a me and get every single free room and miniboss

[mint coral]

Just get 1 exits/get the free rooms anyways

[karmic gulch]

Hazard bomb, Aphrodite's Boon, Chaos's funky Special boosting stuff, Urge to Kill

[acoustic bolt]

yeah i'm taking it

[high island]

They're not a blessing in high heat.

[karmic gulch]

I went the whole 7 miles to make this into a nuke

[latent moon]

aren't they just easier to clear tho or does td end up screwing you over

[high island]

I am generally more concerned with TD than enemy difficulty.

[latent moon]

fair

[mint coral]

Same

[high island]

And BP2 RNG, I guess.

But BP2 RNG is also ultimately a matter of TD killing you. Because some BP2 rooms either take way too long or you play too aggressive to not time out.

[karmic gulch]

There many acronyms im not used to

[mint coral]

#h1-high-heat-strategies pins for pacts abbeviations

[high island]

They're just initialisms for the pact of punishment.

TD = Tight Deadline
BP = Benefits Package
etc.

[karmic gulch]

👍

[high island]

And RNG is random number generator.

[warm nimbus]

yes, probably best pos support boon on beo but mostly just decent on everything else

[lean timber]

mmm benefits package mmm

i love getting my ass beat by speeder [fill in the blank] enemies mmm

[warm nimbus]

speeder greatshields 😔

[strong ridge]

armorder speeder withces 😛

[lean timber]

speeder bowmen suck

i'll always hate them more than anything

[raw herald]

Speeder wavemakers

[lean timber]

i have luckily never seen one

i would probably quit if i did

[warm nimbus]

thats lucky

they suck so much on a lot of aspects

[lean timber]

language filter lol

[lean timber]

they suck on every aspect bro you hit them one (1) time and they fly off to the other side of the chamber

if you can manage to hit them before they fly off again!

[acoustic bolt]

The numbers are smaller but I'm sure it's also good with tidal dash builds and his call?

I wonder does it increase sea storm damage since that's from knockback?

[lean timber]

it procs sea storm if that's your question

any source of knockback even base shield attack and all that will proc sea storm

[high island]

Yeah, because they're always jumping all over the place off-screen.

[lean timber]

😛

[high island]

Wave Pounding doesn't affect Sea Storm, no.

And yeah, it's decent with Tidal Dash and his Call, too.

[tepid light]

Ahhh, fell asleep just before you posted this

Would have responded otherwise, apologies

[lean timber]

outside of a weapons/aspects discussion, which god answers dc the best

my gut says zeus but does anyone else think anything different

[tepid light]

dc?

[dusky solar]

i completely disagree, i live using zag bow and just dpsing out of my mind

[lean timber]

damage control. gives enemies 1 or 2 armor hearts that resist all damage. have to break the hearts before you can hurt them

[tepid light]

i really need to learn all these shorthands

[dusky solar]

i use dc when im on something like bow or chaos shield, something that can easily break armor of every enemy before i engage

[tepid light]

well, do hangover tics remove damage control?

[lean timber]

yeah they do

hmm

[tepid light]

seems that's quite useful too

[lean timber]

never thought about dio. i forget about him a lot

[tepid light]

if all it takes is two tics of hangover to remove the hearts, i'd say that's a very good answer to it

[dusky solar]

well the initial hit breaks one shield and then hangover can break the second/start dealing damage

[tepid light]

i suppose this is also one of the cases where peer pressure would be rather useful

hangover goes everywhere, and removes all the shields quickly

[lean timber]

yeah that seems good

[dusky solar]

one way to answer dc1 is to take fiery prescence and doom boons. the initial hit breaks the shield and then you get a 200% damage doom proc.

[lean timber]

the high heat runners always have some unexpected answer for me tho so i'm curious what they think

[dusky solar]

i know i should use fiery prescence more often but im too lazy to switch off shadow prescence when theseus exists

[lean timber]

oh great nyaa what must i do

[dusky solar]

do any of you use AP or UC? im like completely avoiding them at all costs lmao

[lean timber]

tell me i beseech thee

[tepid light]

turn off pact of punishment and use only zag sword

[lean timber]

UC is one of the first condtions you should take lol. AP is hell

[high island]

Mechanically, the aspect is just Dash > hold Attack > release > repeat with the same rhythm over and over and over... other aspects have a lot more going on. It was a whole lot of fun early on, especially when I was still learning Power Shot timing and not easily getting it every time... but after over 1k hours in the game, I need something that engages my brain more.

[lean timber]

like zag sword

[dusky solar]

aw hell nah i use the whole kit on bow im always cycling with cast and special as well

[lean timber]

nyaa which god answers dc best

[tepid light]

ok optimization is one thing, but debating what's 'fun' is rather pointless

this goes to both you and stella ofc

[high island]

m not debating, m sharing my own experience lol.

[dusky solar]

doom flourish on bow is so much yes

[tepid light]

'debating' is just the word i used, obviously you guys aren't shouting at each other

[lean timber]

chiron bow is the only one you should typically be hitting special on lol

[tepid light]

rama

[lean timber]

okay well

ok you got me lol

i was ignoring rama lol

[high island]

Rama.

[dusky solar]

hard disagree, special is very strong utility tool and decent damage

[signal aspen]

200% doom proc?

[signal aspen]

10 damage is not decent damage

And it is insanely slow

[lean timber]

grr lol i was hoping for a god answer. don't say rama is a god because i know but i mean in the game lol

[dusky solar]

fiery prescence does 100% increased damage on unhurt targets

[lean timber]

fiery breaks the moment you attack an enemy

lmao

[signal aspen]

It does 75% and doesn't affect doom

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite is obviously the best at everything.

[lean timber]

[dusky solar]

aww what? but with dc its not actually attacked yet

that is so stupid

[high island]

It be like that.

[dusky solar]

that should totally be an interaction

thats so lame

[lean timber]

it is but it doesn't work. i mean technically your "first hit" is used to break the armor hearts so

[signal aspen]

People when they realize dc isn't as free as they thought

[lean timber]

sad

[dusky solar]

bruh wtfffff

[tepid light]

brb simping for aphrodite

[signal aspen]

Ew

[dusky solar]

aphrodite is trans goals thats all i can say

[lean timber]

people when they realize dc is a nightmare

and is easily top 5 worst pacts

[tepid light]

she's an ancient greek goddess of love who can freely shapeshift
so sure, i guess

[dusky solar]

id honestly rather BE aphrodite and date artemis

[short glen]

Shame Artemis is not interested

[dusky solar]

tru

[strong ridge]

greek mythos plays fast and loose with things such as physical manifestation

[dusky solar]

we do love our asexual queen

[tepid light]

artemis and aphrodite's duo boon dialogue was pretty hilarious

"oh gods, she's here"

[dusky solar]

lmao, lol

fr tho i would totally be a nymph just to hang out with artemis and laugh at the other gods all day

[strong ridge]

i enjoy how all the pantheon is just creeped out by ares

[tepid light]

tbh it does ring a bit weird for me to assign modern labels to greek gods, given how all-powerful and nonchalant they were with those kinds of things

[tepid light]

everyone hates ares, this has been a PSA

[dusky solar]

its not really a modern label. asexuality was a real thing back then just as it is now.

[lean timber]

in the myths or in the video game?

[tepid light]

yes

[lean timber]

she don't shapeshift in the game

[tepid light]

yes

[signal aspen]

You don't see her shapeshift

[dusky solar]

well thats because they can only do so much artwork

[strong ridge]

also she is not actually there she is using iris message

[short glen]

The ancient Greeks also hated him fun fact

[dusky solar]

and if they were to draw aphrodite shapeshifting, then theyd feel bad to not do so for other gods with their unique capabilities too, no?

[tepid light]

yes but connotations and uses have in fact changed across the millennia since ancient greece

[strong ridge]

i know its just funny to see the pantheon share the same perspective

[signal aspen]

Nope

[tepid light]

zeus does in fact tell ares "i wish you weren't my son" in one story from the time, so yeah

[short glen]

Tbf they also did in myths. But yes it is really funny

[tepid light]

checks out

[strong ridge]

im saying i enjoy SEEING it

[tepid light]

yeee

not disagreeing with you

[dusky solar]

did you know that there used to be a marriage-like bond called embrotherment that two men could share their lives together

[strong ridge]

i wanted to emphasize how much i like it

[tepid light]

embrotherment was indeed a thing

as were certain other things

[dusky solar]

cant wait for ensisterment to come out

[tepid light]

that i'm not certain i should mention here because nsfw rules

[high island]

If you're not certain, the answer is most likely no.

[dusky solar]

^

[tepid light]

yeah i'll just restrain myself

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/bongocat-banhammer-ban-hammer-bongo-gif-18219363

[tepid light]

ban me and i will whine up a storm and throw up all over the place

[dusky solar]

ew

did not need to read that today

[strong ridge]

throw up is not even that bad

[tepid light]

oh come on is that really the thing that sets you off

[dusky solar]

no thats not it

just

like

idk

trust me i can handle throw up

[strong ridge]

sure pal

[high island]

Moving on.

[strong ridge]

: o

[dusky solar]

i had a unique kidney condition that i almost died from, i assure you throw up is beneath me

[strong ridge]

perhaps maybe

[dusky solar]

i just see no reason to state that you will act like a child if banned

[high island]

What is the most pointless boon in the game and why is it Peer Pressure?

[strong ridge]

tkae that back

[dusky solar]

take that back

[tepid light]

stubborn roots

[strong ridge]

iwont sand for this slande

[high island]

No, Stubborn Roots does something.

[dusky solar]

stubborn roots is useful in lc4, no?

[tepid light]

technically, yes

[dusky solar]

im pretty sure stubborn roots is one of the fringe few healing sources that is unaffected by lc

[strong ridge]

too bad is worthless

[high island]

Peer Pressure does at best nothing and at worst overwrites your high-damage Hangover stacks with low damage.

[tepid light]

but it only activates if you have no dd's

[strong ridge]

peer pressure makes critical noise increased my confidence 125%

[dusky solar]

i do have to agree peer pressure does fkin no damahe

[tepid light]

at which point you're in a dire enough situation that a bit of regen isn't nearly enough

[strong ridge]

not to mention td hard counters stubborn

[dusky solar]

in lc4 you are gonna use stubborn defiance anyway

[high island]

Don't evade the swear filter btw.

[strong ridge]

ban time

[dusky solar]

theres a swear filter?

[high island]

There is.

[mint coral]

Really late but fiery specifies attack/special

[dusky solar]

huh

[mint coral]

If you have the chaos boon that would work

[dusky solar]

😔

[mint coral]

Or stack eris bangle

[tepid light]

tbh i can't think of a situation where i'd ever want to use stubborn defiance, i'm not fighting em4 dad with just a single death avoidance

[high island]

Stubborn Roots is almost pointless, but once in a while it actually saves a run.

[signal aspen]

Lc4

[high island]

SD is the standard at high heat.

[strong ridge]

sd is free regen wdym

[tepid light]

oh wait i just noticed

lc4 reduces recovery by 100%

[latent moon]

SD patty > DD patty

[tepid light]

that's

horrifying

[strong ridge]

acorn = 1 dd basically for dad just dont get pwned by adds

[signal aspen]

It's not that bad

[dusky solar]

YOU JUST NOTICED

[signal aspen]

Just takes practice

[tepid light]

makes me nervous just thinking about it

[signal aspen]

It actually reduces healing by 99.99%

[dusky solar]

its like the sole reason why harpy feather duster is op

[signal aspen]

So true

[high island]

You can get free DDs from Lady Athena if you're using SD, so it's pretty chill for the most part.

[latent moon]

just get the boons

[dusky solar]

yeah kiss of styx and such gives DD's that come after your sd incase you need a safety net

[signal aspen]

Kiss of Styx doesnt

[high island]

You can't get Kiss of Styx if you're using SD.

[mint coral]

Stack a comical amount of touch of styx

[signal aspen]

It gets replaced with touch of styx

[dusky solar]

ah what damn

[high island]

Touch of Styx is great, though.

[signal aspen]

Makes you Regen 10% more hp from sd

[dusky solar]

for howlong?

[signal aspen]

15 chambers

[latent moon]

patty gives touch of styx dark, which gives 50% more from SD

[signal aspen]

Tough of styx

[latent moon]

15 encounters, if you hit it with an hourglass right before asphodel it can last into dad as long as you get a 2 sack

[dusky solar]

WAIT THATS WHO YOU MEAN BY PATTY AUGH

[latent moon]

same difference ngl

[high island]

15 encounters, not chambers.

[dusky solar]

you mean right before river styx?

[high island]

Patroclus, yes.

[latent moon]

man i need more sleep lmao

[signal aspen]

Nah

[dusky solar]

one time i was trying to hold on to a chimera jerky for dad and i got a 5 sack

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[signal aspen]

Nice

Unmodded moment

[tepid light]

ancient greek lore pop quiz: why did achilles refuse to fight in the war

[latent moon]

just dont get 5 sacked tbh

[dusky solar]

i got two 5 sacks in a row

[latent moon]

nice

[signal aspen]

Bruh

[latent moon]

to get to the other side

[signal aspen]

He was scared

[dusky solar]

is there a mod that guarantees 2 sacks for speedrunners?

[latent moon]

yes

[signal aspen]

Yeah

[latent moon]

that's part of the standard speedrun modpack, can be turned off

along with misc miniboss encounters

[dusky solar]

i see

[mint coral]

No more barge for u

Or tony

[signal aspen]

Bargy wargy 😔

[latent moon]

or bull miniboss

[dusky solar]

i like all the minibosses, they keep it interesting

[mint coral]

Yeah but those bleed time

[latent moon]

oh yeah on my last run i forgot to meg at the start of the champs fight so i figured i could just hit theseus with it then i missed

big time loss but whatever wasn't speedrunning just chaos 32

dont have to touch that ever again

[signal aspen]

Imagine not speedrunning your 32 heat runs

[latent moon]

imagine speedrunning

[mint coral]

Imagine speedrunning them

[signal aspen]

Imagine

[latent moon]

never speedrunning ever again, got the sub7 and i'm done screw the sub6

[tepid light]

i can imagine the expression you had on your face when that happened

[dusky solar]

im assuming cosmic egg will only instakill dad at 25% just one time for the prophecy?

[signal aspen]

No

[mint coral]

Lol no

[latent moon]

i mean it was a guaranteed win going into it to begin with so i wasn't really upset just "welp aight"

[dusky solar]

PFFFFF

[signal aspen]

It insta kills at 50%

[mint coral]

How did you miss meg tho

[dusky solar]

taking cosmic egg every run now fr fr

[mint coral]

Block or summon too early?

[latent moon]

i thought he stopped moving but then he wasn't

[mint coral]

Oh em3

[latent moon]

yeah lmao

[mint coral]

Thought you megged during god call

[latent moon]

see that would've been smart

[dusky solar]

in too scared to do em3

[mint coral]

Em3 is fun

[signal aspen]

I remember trying to meg hades in my hades spear 40 but it locked onto an archer

[latent moon]

but also that part is the easiest to burn through with normal hits, so i figured hitting the chariot would be more worth my time

[dusky solar]

bruhhhhh

[tepid light]

ever since i realized that theseus is completely vulnerable during his god call, i've had a fun time killing him during it

[signal aspen]

I also remember megging a random room in Ely in my luci 40

[latent moon]

based

[tepid light]

just rapidly dashing from side to side, wailing on him

[dusky solar]

i still dont have any cthonic champions lol

[latent moon]

rip

they're so nice on minibosses

[mint coral]

Some of my wins have random tart megs cuz i miss click

[signal aspen]

They're overrated anyways

[latent moon]

this is why i keep summon on 1 for keyboard, it's so out of the way i can't possibly hit it on accident

[mint coral]

Controller moment

[latent moon]

just like

[signal aspen]

I have it on shift

[mint coral]

Or joy cons issue lol

[tepid light]

haha yes who would ever hit 1 accidentally

[latent moon]

put summon on your power button ez

lmao

[mint coral]

I considered l3/r3 before but i click them so much when bored/on accident lol

[latent moon]

"ah crap megged on chamber 1 run it back"

[signal aspen]

That's called c1 reset with the modpack

[mint coral]

Cant quick reset

Cuz i havent re installed the mod pack

[signal aspen]

Lmao

[latent moon]

i can never get the quick reset to work so i just run with it

[mint coral]

Have you activated it

[latent moon]

yes

[signal aspen]

Wait can you toggle quick reset on and off on switch

[latent moon]

it worked exactly once

and never again

[mint coral]

Ni

No

[signal aspen]

Kbm right

[mint coral]

Cant access thw config menu

[latent moon]

yeah

[mint coral]

Im stuck on rta preset

[signal aspen]

Change your binds

Sometimes if your keys are too close together they won't register when you hit them at the same time

[latent moon]

i'll do that next time then

it's what, efr1 or something

[signal aspen]

I think so

Idk I'm an unmodded "enjoyer"

[latent moon]

you haven't touched the game in like 5 months lmao

[signal aspen]

It's been 1 month 🗿

[high island]

You can test your keyboard for ghosting issues here: https://www.microsoft.com/applied-sciences/projects/anti-ghosting-demo

[latent moon]

oh cool i'll look into that

[high island]

March 17 is apparently the last time I played.

[latent moon]

ah yeah erf1 doesn't work because they're too close, thanks

[warm nimbus]

i dont think it works with lc4

[warm nimbus]

n key rollover gang

[distant ice]

i bought hades from epic games when i used a laptop now i use pc and the game doesn't go up

Does anyone know what I can do?

[mint coral]

Check #h1-tech-support ig?

[distant ice]

thank you

[brisk trail]

Keepsake recommendations?

[safe tinsel]

Almost all of them are good tbh

[brisk trail]

mmm k, ty

[warm nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1012441185580744775/unknown.png

[brisk trail]

bigbrain time

/jk

[slim geyser]

important question

what dnd class would hades characters be

[tepid light]

that's hard to answer given that most of the characters are literal gods who would easily be far beyond levels/classes in a d&d setting

[safe tinsel]

Hmm I don't understand dnd

[brisk trail]

same

[tepid light]

but let's see

[brisk trail]

Makes sense

[slim geyser]

Okay but if they were human

[tepid light]

zagreus is hard to pin down given the sheer amount of things he can do, but i think you can default to him being a Fighter

[slim geyser]

probably yeah

[tepid light]

achilles is a Fighter with the Spear Figher archetype, that's too easy

[slim geyser]

nyx would probably be some kind of wizard or warlock or something

[tepid light]

aphrodite is a bard

[slim geyser]

so true

[tepid light]

or perhaps a sorceror

because dionysus is definitely a bard

[slim geyser]

what do you think for hermes

[tepid light]

rogue

zeus is a kineticist

demeter is a wizard

athena is a paladin

ares is a berserker

or a bloodrager, something of that sort

hades himself i'd actually say is a magus, given that he uses insane magic stuff alongside his martial skills

if i have to say out loud what artemis would be, i would be very disappointed in you

[slim geyser]

never could guess what it could be

[tepid light]

charon is a cleric