h1-discussion

[austere loom]

Isn't hazard bomb on eris pretty stupid?

[latent moon]

Yes but it's funny

[snow skiff]

Greater consecration is actually insane ngl

[strong ridge]

im not saying it is good i am saying i like it

[lean timber]

consecration is a need lol

[latent moon]

You can iframe out of the hazard damage if you're skilled enough

Not something to gamble on but it's funny

[austere loom]

Eris is finicky as is

No thanks

[snow skiff]

Eris isn't that finicky

[latent moon]

Eris is good lmao

[snow skiff]

It's wayy more snappy with rocket though

[austere loom]

Maybe I'm just not used to the gun

[latent moon]

The only finicky thing is watching your ammo lmao

[austere loom]

The reload tilted me

[latent moon]

Just get delta ez

[strong ridge]

eris adds skill to the user

[snow skiff]

Eternal chamber

[brisk trail]

||i think zag has gone insane to the point that hes talking to a boulder||

still pretty funny to watch imo

[snow skiff]

Lmao why do all the spear hammers also suck

[tepid light]

dunno, i'm a fan of extending jab and vicious skewer

[strong ridge]

Lmao why do all the spear ~~
~~ also suck

[latent moon]

Exploding good tho

[tepid light]

<--- avid spear fan

[snow skiff]

Flurry jab is insane though

Its like triple dps

[latent moon]

Flurry jab is great yeah

[tepid light]

i also like quick spin on hades aspect

[latent moon]

Skewered is great on gy and if you get exploding launcher on the others

And that's about it

[tepid light]

vicious skewer is hilarious on achilles

[snow skiff]

Quick spin sucks solely because it locks you out of flurry jab

[strong ridge]

spear hits like flaccid pool noodle

[latent moon]

That's why you should play hades spear because it's already locked out

[snow skiff]

Yes hence flurry jB

[strong ridge]

3 x 0 = 0 quick math

[tepid light]

but in exchange, you can stab things from safety

[snow skiff]

So true

[strong ridge]

short range teleportation mechanic

[lean timber]

i do not wish to stab things safely i wish to put myself in harm's way

[tepid light]

i dunno, spear is easily my favorite weapon

esp achilles aspect

[snow skiff]

Achilles goes hard

It makes spear do damage

[strong ridge]

achilles tidal + cast build is okay

but youre not really using the spear

[latent moon]

imo that's the best way to use spear: to not actually use it

[tepid light]

speak for yourself, i enjoy just taking strike boons and going full aggro on achilles

[latent moon]

Hence why exploding charged skewer is the best way to play spear

It becomes budget bow

[tepid light]

i'll be honest, that sounds very boring to me

i don't want to play budget bow, i want to stab things rapidly and do fun spinny things

[latent moon]

I'm biased here because I've only played gy and hades spear recently and both are locked out of flurry jab

[tepid light]

I tend to swap between aspects very frequently between all weapons

[latent moon]

And hades spear can't even do the gimmick against FO2 bosses

[tepid light]

Just so I don't get too accustomed to one playstyle

[latent moon]

Lmao all the fists play the same

Just pray for ME or use zap fists

And that's about it

[tepid light]

Pretty much, but it's the principle of the thing

[latent moon]

Talos gimmick funny I guess

[lean timber]

you mean all the fists play epically? i agree

[brisk trail]

gilgamesh claws are probably my favorite

[lean timber]

epicly

[tepid light]

talos is my favorite

[latent moon]

Gilg

[lean timber]

gilg suck

[latent moon]

Talos

[lean timber]

dem awesome

talos suck

[tepid light]

i like gilg but it definitely punishes my unga bunga habits

[lean timber]

unger bunger

[tepid light]

because of the increased self damage

[lean timber]

good it should do that

[brisk trail]

well, it seems pretty good to me

[lean timber]

unga bunga doesn't last into 45+

[tepid light]

is that a challenge

[lean timber]

it can be

[strong ridge]

heroic crush shot oo la la

[latent moon]

Aren't you also playing on god mode tho so the self inflict isn't too much

Enemies hitting for 50% harder is a nightmare

A standard 32 pact only does like 20% more and most builds use weaken from aphro

[brisk trail]

i dont even notice it

[tepid light]

my pride prevents me from even considering god mode

[brisk trail]

i'd get folded if i wasnt on god mode

im skilled, but not that skilled

[latent moon]

I mean there's nothing wrong with god mode

[tepid light]

the only time i use things like that in games is if there's something that isn't hard but just a massive slog that i don't want to deal with

[tepid light]

i feel like i won't improve if i use god mode, crutch and all that

[latent moon]

Yeah lol maim is pretty rough if you get hit

[lean timber]

based

[brisk trail]

i dont think i ever used maim

[latent moon]

Still nothing wrong with it if people need to utilize it

[latent moon]

That's like half the gimmick with gilga lmao

[tepid light]

well, i was referring to my own preference

[strong ridge]

huh

[latent moon]

Maim is the reason why gilg sucks
Locks you out of dash upper basically

[lean timber]

i disagree if you use god mode supergiant games themselves kills a random family member of yours did you not know that?

[tepid light]

zeus fries your uncle with a lightning bolt

[brisk trail]

that would be a good thing

[lean timber]

this implies that dash upper has some sort of advantage over regular upper or just attack what is it?

[latent moon]

Regular upper is just slow

[lean timber]

dash upper is weaker tho is it not

[latent moon]

And also you're always dashing on fists esp with gilga

[lean timber]

eh

[latent moon]

Yeah but it's not clunky or slow it's fast compared to standing

[muted lava]

I do kinda wish there was a healing spring outsides hades door, just wasted like 30 minutes on a run because i got outside the door with 6 health from a trap room.

[latent moon]

You have the big well thingy don't you

[lean timber]

lol you need to kill yourself then so you can get health from the sd

[brisk trail]

ouch

[lean timber]

or are you running defiances

[muted lava]

didnt have any ressurections left

[lean timber]

L

sorry to hear

[latent moon]

How'd you enter hades with 6 hp when there's a fountain right before that

[lean timber]

[muted lava]

I think I wanna switch builds because this one is so boring

[brisk trail]

he probably went through a couple other doors

[lean timber]

we promise there's a fountain there lol

[latent moon]

Taking additional rooms in Styx is stinky

[muted lava]

Im using the shield throw with doom and its not fun so any reccomendations?

[tepid light]

don't rely on shield special

[latent moon]

Don't use the special on shield and actually use the main atk

[tepid light]

rely on the bull rush

[brisk trail]

agreed

[muted lava]

I don't even know if i wanna use the shield

what do you guys think is a strong but more fun bild

[brisk trail]

honestly, i use the claws but people say they're bad

[latent moon]

Probably bow

[tepid light]

i didn't like shield at all until i realized that it blocks almost everything in the game while charging up the rush

[latent moon]

Or eris rail

[lean timber]

bow is a very powerful weapon

rail is good as well

[muted lava]

well can you reccomend a build for it?

[lean timber]

no

lol

[latent moon]

Aphro atk

[muted lava]

:/

[brisk trail]

use the final form spear with no TB upgrades : troll :

[latent moon]

Actually depends on the aspect really

[strong ridge]

c12 chaos dont mind if i do

[lean timber]

the build for the bow is aphrodite attack that's it lmao

[latent moon]

For Hera it's aphro cast

Chiron is Dio/arty special

[lean timber]

aphrodite cast my beloved

[latent moon]

But still aphro atk

[latent moon]

Room extension moment

An enshrouded curse from chaos on c12 tho is free

[strong ridge]

-43 move speed 🙂

[latent moon]

Shop, boss, exit boss, enter aspho, only 1 entrance in aspho

[latent moon]

Based

[strong ridge]

tis got pwned ggg no re

[tepid light]

you have to date either tis or alecto, meg isn't an option, who do you choose

[brisk trail]

tis

[lean timber]

bro

[lean timber]

alecto i have mommy issues

[strong ridge]

in athena i trust'

[lean timber]

truly

[snow skiff]

-43% attack damage with rd

[lean timber]

only with epic

common you only lose 21.5%

[brisk trail]

is it odd that i avoid cast boons like the plauge

[lean timber]

i tend to be in the camp of "range is your best friend" so i always recommend at least getting a base level cast. some think differently and that's alright

[latent moon]

I mean if you're not playing a cast build it's not that important other than filling a slot or getting a duo
Base cast works fine for boiling blood

[lean timber]

i think posideon cast is one of the best in the game in most weapons

[brisk trail]

what does boiling blood even do?

[lean timber]

+50% damage to foes with bloodstones in them

so it's pretty nice

[tepid light]

the only time i really pursue cast boons is when i'm playing hera or beowulf

for obvious reasons

[latent moon]

Only good for beo biuld wise, it's just a good filler for whatever

[snow skiff]

I like nabbing like a phalanx shot for non cast weapons

Nice damage, deflection nice utility

[tepid light]

dionysus cast is good too imo

[latent moon]

Doesn't activate boiling blood

[snow skiff]

Losing boiling blood 🙁

[latent moon]

Just damage

[brisk trail]

i meant with hades, i get that popup all the time and yet it doesnt seem to do anything

[tepid light]

true

[lean timber]

makes you take 2x damage

[snow skiff]

That means he does more damage to you

[tepid light]

real chad gamers go aphro cast on a non-cast build

[brisk trail]

oh

makes sense

[snow skiff]

I use aphro cast for weak sometimes

[brisk trail]

dash nova or super nova for aspect of author? 🤔

[latent moon]

Super nova

Dash nova doodoo

[brisk trail]

fair point

[tepid light]

is dash nova really that bad on arthur though? since the special is so slow, a bit of mobility and additional tankiness seems nice

[brisk trail]

oh good, i get to beat ely again and rub it in theseus's face

again.

[tepid light]

punch his face in

[lean timber]

arthur

it's aspect of arthur, the famous english king

lol

[tepid light]

random tangent but

am i the only one who adores the waking phrases that zag uses for each of the weapons

"i see your kingly pardon from a prison of stone"

[lean timber]

they go hard

[brisk trail]

didnt know the grammar police were here

[tepid light]

"i see you through the eyes of the crimson phoenix"

they're so cool

[lean timber]

*grammer

[brisk trail]

^

[tepid light]

"I see you stand your ground against the serpent's flame"

"I see your prideful fall down from the heavens to the flames"

[brisk trail]

i wish there was an option, when theseus is low enough health you could just begin bashing his face in with a weapon of your choice by spamming RT

like in the deadpool game

[lean timber]

hatred maxxing

[tepid light]

"I see you overcome the wild and make peace with death"

The writing is just chef's kiss

"I see you drawn in the arms of the seventh avatar"

[lean timber]

that's rama

wild is gilga

prideful fall is lucifer

serpent's flame is guan yu?

[tepid light]

yep

Oh

Nope

[lean timber]

really?

what is it

[tepid light]

serpent's flame is beowulf

[latent moon]

Beo

Yeah

[lean timber]

what???

[snow skiff]

U can just dash after right clicking

[lean timber]

but guan yu literally has a winged serpent hammer

[snow skiff]

Doesn't waste a hammer and doesn't force you to do it

[tepid light]

"I see you through the eyes of the crimson phoenix" is guan yu

[latent moon]

The symbol on beo is a dragon thingy lmao

[brisk trail]

guan yu sucks, the HP- is terrible

[lean timber]

i've been taken a fool

what's new tho

[latent moon]

Just don't get hit

And get it to lvl 5

[lean timber]

lv. 5 isn't terrible, only -50%

anything else is suicide tho

[snow skiff]

stand your ground against

[lean timber]

blah

[tepid light]

i adore guan yu (look at my name and you'll know why), but i also refuse to just spam special
as you might imagine, i have died using guan yu many times

[snow skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/965279696117977098/unknown.png

Nah

[brisk trail]

sounds about right

[tepid light]

even so, guan yu is very fun
hits like a truck

[lean timber]

bro did you save lv. 1 guan yu for a 32 heat clear

lol

[brisk trail]

now do it with max heat : troll :

[lean timber]

64 heat lv. 1 guan yu clear (fresh file)

[latent moon]

Notice high confidence as well lmao

[lean timber]

holy wtf

[latent moon]

Absolute gamer

[lean timber]

based

[brisk trail]

i bet somebody's done that before

[latent moon]

Nope

[lean timber]

no they haven't

guaranteed

[latent moon]

64 has never been cleared

[snow skiff]

64 heat hasn't been done

[lean timber]

erm...

[snow skiff]

63 heat has though!

[latent moon]

63 was only recently cleared by Angel 2 weeks ago or something

[lean timber]

64 has been done...

[snow skiff]

No it hasn't

64 routed yes

64 unseeded no

[latent moon]

64 unseeded was 1 second off

Big rip

[lean timber]

for sixty-four heat i would consider routed to be worth something still

[tepid light]

what's the absolute max heat amount again

[latent moon]

64

[lean timber]

64

[brisk trail]

accidently opens codex
ruins entire speedrun

[latent moon]

Lmao

[tepid light]

gotcha

so once 64 is cleared, that's it

[lean timber]

nah she did everything right. she just got gamer'd unfortunately

[brisk trail]

'gamer'd'

what happened?

[lean timber]

yeah essentially

nothing at all happened. just ran out of time unfortunately

heartbreaking case

[latent moon]

Her 64 heat vs 63 heat proves why calisthenics program sucks

[lean timber]

was cp literally the last heat she took

that's crazy

[latent moon]

Yeah 63 is CP1

[lean timber]

seriously

[latent moon]

I mean

[tepid light]

is that the increased hp one

or am i misremembering

[latent moon]

Yeah

[lean timber]

i'm shocked every day to learn that cp is, in fact, worse than i thought by a lot

[latent moon]

60% more enemies with 30% more hp is a lot of extra hp you have to burn through in 20 minutes

[brisk trail]

is there a faster way to get past styx and get to the final boss

[latent moon]

15% more hp is still bad but doable

[lean timber]

hacks and mods

just spawn hades in your courtyard

[latent moon]

Lmao

[brisk trail]

mfw xbox

[tepid light]

true gamer move

[latent moon]

Modded can guarantee you a 2 sack but without it it's all rng

50% chance for a 2 sack or something

[brisk trail]

no, you just pop out the pool at the house of hades rush the desk and stab hades with the spear

[strong ridge]

2hp escape ezpz

[latent moon]

Never 1 sack tho

[lean timber]

is it really favored for you? i thought it was a split even chance

that's nice then

[brisk trail]

i thought there was only one sack?

[latent moon]

The only way to make it faster I guess is taking the miniboss rooms first in Styx because those are faster and if it's a 2 or 3 sack then it won't be too bad

[lean timber]

we're talking about number of tunnels you have to go thru to find it

[brisk trail]

oh

[lean timber]

a "two sack," finding in on the 2nd tunnel, is the fastest time to get it

[latent moon]

2 sack means 2 tunnels needed for 1sack

[lean timber]

can take up to all five tunnels which takes forever and is terrible

never get five sacked

[latent moon]

Modded gaming

Haven't been 5 sacked in such a long time and it's so nice

[brisk trail]

what about 1 sack? is that possible?

[latent moon]

No

Minimum is 2

[lean timber]

.

[latent moon]

Which is why taking miniboss rooms first are recommended

[lean timber]

• you can heal after them

[latent moon]

They're faster and since you're more likely to get a 2 sack, it's more rewards

[strong ridge]

i take mb on room 2

[tepid light]

tiny vermin go brrrr

[latent moon]

Just don't get it

[lean timber]

tiny vermin goes hard

true

so true

[tepid light]

damn you right

[latent moon]

Just play modded lmao

Modded gaming

Tiny vermin g o n e

[brisk trail]

is it me, or is the mini bosses easier than the non boss tunnels

[latent moon]

I've been saying it's easier lmao

[tepid light]

i remember when i first encountered the tiny vermin
my reaction was the same as zagreus'
"OH GODS WHAT"

[lean timber]

reading not your strong suit eh

[lean timber]

lol literally only miniboss with any cutscene lol

so funny

[latent moon]

Miniboss rooms are faster and easier than normal rooms because less enemies and no waves

[brisk trail]

i love the tiny vermin fight

[tepid light]

fortunately i was using shield so i could just cheese it

but good god was it terrifying

[lean timber]

i don't care how ironic this sounds i think modded is cheaty for this reason

"hmm this miniboss takes too long we're going to remove it"

[brisk trail]

^

[latent moon]

I mean it's a speedrunning mod for a reason

[lean timber]

"hmm this rng element is too random we're going to remove it"

speedrunning mod = state accepted cheating

L

[latent moon]

You're not gonna get fast times if you have long bosses

[strong ridge]

i mean high heat is mostly rng lol

[brisk trail]

mfw you have 2 extra dashes, 40%+ movement speed and 30%+ attack speed

[lean timber]

i don't want fast times i want to OVERCOME ADVERSITY

THERE WILL BE BLOOD

SHED

[latent moon]

And you're not gonna get a fast time unless you get the right hammer

[lean timber]

THE MAN IN THE MIRROR NODS HIS HEAD

[latent moon]

It just saves resets

[tepid light]

same tbh

[brisk trail]

i dont even think modded is possible on xbox

[lean timber]

it is it's not fun to try and install tho iirc

same with switch

noob has mods on his switch

[latent moon]

SND did it yeah

[brisk trail]

so, whats the easiest platform to mod it on

[lean timber]

fun

pc

[brisk trail]

you mean steam?

[lean timber]

pc was the only one to mod on for a while and then they cracked it into other systems

yes steam

[latent moon]

Does epic games not work

[lean timber]

epic games has their hands on hades???

kill

[latent moon]

I think it was there before steam

Maybe idk

[strong ridge]

epic games beta release

[lean timber]

ew

[latent moon]

Haelian said that he played on epic before steam

[brisk trail]

gods no

epic games is terrible

[latent moon]

Free mediocre games tho

[strong ridge]

their timed exclusives work as a beta phase for games i buy on steam

some of the best QA in modern gaming godbless

[brisk trail]

is it just me, or does EM4 make the game a lot more fun

[strong ridge]

em4 is epic

and the track goes hard

[brisk trail]

yeah espically the music in the 3rd phase

like dude where can i buy that? 🤔

[strong ridge]

on spotify free

[lean timber]

don't they have a CD of their tracks

i swore they did

[brisk trail]

i dont use spotify

what about youtube

[strong ridge]

youtube probably

[lean timber]

you can also listen to it in-game by buying it

[brisk trail]

it would be funny if it costed like 10 diamonds lmao

worth the price

[strong ridge]

4 iirc

[lean timber]

it's 5 diamonds

[strong ridge]

f

[lean timber]

not terrible

i'll give it to you for free tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NBl9NXBT3g

[brisk trail]

thank you

im gonna

[latent moon]

It's also very difficult and I'm too lazy to learn it lmao

[brisk trail]

play that when im sleeping because im crazy

[latent moon]

Homies gonna have em4 nightmares

[lean timber]

cloner hades skulls

[tepid light]

hey i'm learning em4 as we speak

[brisk trail]

no, im just gonna be beating the everloving out of demons in my dreams, like some sort of open-world shooter

[tepid light]

i will learn to consistently beat it

and then i will be a true god gamer

[lean timber]

and then you will run 50 heat on all aspects

[tepid light]

that's the hope

[brisk trail]

help i have 25 nector and have nothing to spend it on

[lean timber]

i'll be sure to beat you to it

[latent moon]

I'm never doing 50 again lmao beo is just too easy of an aspect

[lean timber]

you have no more bonds to forge with anybody?? trade it all for diamonds

[latent moon]

Didn't even do em4 did ap2 dc1

[lean timber]

and then trade the diamonds for blood

[latent moon]

Wait

Save nectar for bouldy

[lean timber]

waiting

[brisk trail]

agreed

[latent moon]

Keep like 7

[lean timber]

lol or just trade your worthless keys for nectar

ez

[brisk trail]

keys are

kinda useless ngl

in late game atleast

[latent moon]

Yeah

You only pick them up in runs because of rerolls

Smart game design to make them actually useful late game

[brisk trail]

||just freed sisyphus lol||

[latent moon]

Same with nectar, darkness, and gems

[brisk trail]

is 2 titan blood for ambrosia worth it?

[latent moon]

No

Didn't you ask that earlier or was that someone else

[brisk trail]

i think i just got a bad speical deal

twice in a row

[latent moon]

Ambrosia isn't useful and you only need 12 of them when you do need it

And yeah forging bonds is nice and all but gameplay wise you only need 12

Also fated list gives you plenty

[brisk trail]

meaning i should buy the theme sonorous for 10?

[latent moon]

You have companions yet?

[brisk trail]

3 of them

[latent moon]

Maxed meg?

[brisk trail]

nope

[latent moon]

Do that

[brisk trail]

i was saving up for than

[lean timber]

i mean if you reeeeally want to talk gameplay you should get all the keepsakes lol

[latent moon]

Meg > than

[brisk trail]

but i cant seem to run across him

[latent moon]

You can keep like 1 for him for collectors but he's not that great compared to meg

[brisk trail]

i havent gotten his thing yet

i've gotta give him ambrosia to do so

[latent moon]

Which is why I said to save 1

[brisk trail]

im having troubles finding the chance to

[brisk trail]

i have

11 right now

[latent moon]

You can max meg and still have some left over for than

Not enough for the theme but that's fine

[brisk trail]

well i just got to the point in the game where ||i have a choice to go with meg or dont||

[latent moon]

Companions need 10 to max
1 to give to the person, 9 to level up to 5

[lean timber]

doesn't matter if you do or don't

feel free to do whatever

[brisk trail]

ill go to see the lore

[tepid light]

the game gives you far more ambrosia than you need

[brisk trail]

whats the worst that can happen

[tepid light]

I'm sitting on 60+ atm

[lean timber]

yay free blood!

[latent moon]

The "secret ending" thing gives 20 lmao

[brisk trail]

mfw spoilers

[latent moon]

And favors give 6 each

[latent moon]

This is a spoiler welcome chat

[tepid light]

welp i'm not gonna be running out anytime soon then lmao

[lean timber]

it's your make friends encouragement lol

[latent moon]

Also unless you're playing on switch, if you look through your achievements you can see that there's a "secret ending"

[brisk trail]

im having troubles figuring out how to get the hidden aspects still

[lean timber]

but yeah you're not running out. feel free to trade it all away after you get all the companions and stuff you want

[tepid light]

at this point zagreus may as well sit in the corner of the lounge and get drunk on ambrosia

[brisk trail]

fair point

[latent moon]

That's pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[brisk trail]

^

[lean timber]

switch gaming

[brisk trail]

thank you

[latent moon]

Just Google them I guess lmao

[lean timber]

only thing i can google at this point is rama runs cuz i think i'm done w hera lol

this just sucks too much to be enjoyable

that or i need to get good

both are true

[latent moon]

For 50 heat?

Rama probably works great because you always lead with special and that strips DC

Or you generally want to anyways

[brisk trail]

i may or may not of accidently maxed out aspect of eris without looking at the price

[lean timber]

yah that's my biggest thing

[brisk trail]

now i have 4 titan blood left

[lean timber]

dc suck

[latent moon]

Have you left the room ywt

[lean timber]

also ap2 is boning me

[brisk trail]

no

[latent moon]

If you haven't you can quit the game to get it back

[brisk trail]

huh

eris gives extra damage, isnt it super broken?

[latent moon]

Whatever you do in that room doesn't save until you leave

[lean timber]

yeah it's really good but if you want your blood then that doesn't exactly matter does it

[latent moon]

I mean yeah but the way you worded it made it sound like you didn't want to upgrade it lol

[brisk trail]

oh

i guess ill reload the file than

[lean timber]

ja

[latent moon]

Just quit to main menu and then go back into the save file

[brisk trail]

oh

i quit out the app

[latent moon]

Welp

[lean timber]

whatever

[latent moon]

Probably works I guess lmao

If not well

[lean timber]

it works yea lol

[latent moon]

Eris is good anyways

[lean timber]

skill issue as we say

[brisk trail]

dont you have to put atleast ||5|| blood into each weapon for the hidden aspect to show

[latent moon]

Yes

[brisk trail]

so that means i have to upgrade it twice

[latent moon]

Probably? Idk the prices

[brisk trail]

lets see, first one is 2 blood

next one is probably 3

[latent moon]

That works then I guess

[brisk trail]

alright 5 blood spent, now i think i just have to find zeus or something

[latent moon]

Take his keepsake and die after picking up his boon in chamber 1 if you want to Speedrun it lol

[brisk trail]

i was gonna do that

[latent moon]

Take routing inspection 4 and hard labor

And high security

[brisk trail]

uh

why

[latent moon]

So you can die faster in chamber 2

C1 takes too long

C2 is gonna be faster esp if there's a trap

[brisk trail]

i got a hammer : facepalm :

[latent moon]

Also removes your death defiances

[latent moon]

Die anyways or do the run lmao

[brisk trail]

but hey atleast i got one of the scroll upgrades

so thats off the list

[latent moon]

Yo based

[tepid light]

I preferred to just do the run when unlocking the hidden aspects

Might as well, imo

[brisk trail]

got zeus's door

[latent moon]

I mean ideally you're supposed to just play the game and find it on accident lmao

Which is more or less how it was designed

[tepid light]

Tru

Zeus gives lucifer, right?

[brisk trail]

yes

[latent moon]

Yeah believe so

[brisk trail]

didnt get it

ffs

[latent moon]

Lmao it's not guaranteed

Also hidden aspects require 2 lines

1 for like noticing it or whatever

2nd is awakening line

Iirc anyways

[brisk trail]

ill just speedrun getting to the magma level

than die

[tepid light]

Achilles gives Guan Yu, Artemis gives Rama, Asterius gives Gilgamesh, Chaos gives Beowulf, Nyx gives Arthur

iirc

[latent moon]

Yeah

[tepid light]

The dialogue where Asterius gives you the Gilgamesh line was pretty awesome

Him explaining why he's helping you

[brisk trail]

is it weird that i reload after every kill

[tepid light]

No

Esp. if you're using Hestia

[latent moon]

I mean ideally you use 1 clip for like 2 or 3 but it's fine lol doesn't matter too much

With hesty every shot should be a kill lol

Unless it's a boss

[brisk trail]

like, i reload after every kill even if it slows me down

[lean timber]

asterius in general goes nasty

[brisk trail]

i guess i play too much CS:GO

[tepid light]

I mean hestia hits hard but you're not gonna oneshot an armored enemy most of the time

[latent moon]

I mean that's like the only exception

Until Ely anyways

[lean timber]

styx rats:

[tepid light]

A rather big exception, no?

[lean timber]

(the big ones):

[latent moon]

But with good rng Ely can still be one shot

[latent moon]

Eh hunters dash goes hard

Sometimes rng doesn't give you tho even if you force it tho which is sad

Good chaos as well can help

But I've typically one shot Ely mobs unless armored

[tepid light]

Armored enemies are, in fact, tougher than non-armored ones

[latent moon]

Wow who knew

Not me

[brisk trail]

i wish there was an option to go back to the house of hades but keep your progress

i wouldnt say suicide, more like a portal or something

[tepid light]

death is the portal

[brisk trail]

i guess thats a fair point

[tepid light]

i suppose lore-wise, zagreus could just jump straight into the styx and let it carry him back

[brisk trail]

how fast does the styx go

it would be funny if zag decided to jump in and he just went flying

[lean timber]

HUNTER DASH WOOOOOO

[tepid light]

i mean it's fast enough to basically instantly warp zagreus from the surface back to the house of hades at the bottom of the underworld

so

yeah

[latent moon]

Is it really instant

[brisk trail]

more nector for bouldy

yay

[lean timber]

it's a pretty lazy river. some of the rooms have holes that you can look down and see the river thru. in some places it's stagnant

[latent moon]

Or do the devs not want us to wait that long lmao

[lean timber]

i think of it as feeling like falling asleep for a bit

and then waking up as you walk out of the river

[latent moon]

Also on the credits when you're on the boat with charon

[lean timber]

true

[brisk trail]

but its charon driving the boat

[lean timber]

yeah

[brisk trail]

so his boat could easily push against styx

[tepid light]

tbh it's kind of weird because often times hades won't be back in his seat at the house when you come back, which implies that for some reason, it took longer for hades to get back than zagreus

[latent moon]

You'd assume it'd flow to the same place as they're going right

[brisk trail]

or maybe its just still water

and doesnt have a current

[latent moon]

Or he's off somewhere else

[lean timber]

lol the river leads to the house of hades and they're going to the house

[tepid light]

true

this discussion is a weird one anyway since it's a magic otherworldly river

[brisk trail]

its fun tho

[lean timber]

the same river that made achilles invincible is the same river that kills mortals instantly and sends gods back to the house of hades

[tepid light]

built different

[brisk trail]

how does the styx take you if your in greece?

does it just flow everywhere?

[lean timber]

quickly i would assume

[tepid light]

hermes takes souls from the surface to the styx/charon

[brisk trail]

oh

makes sense

so thats how hermes knows your not really going up to olympus

[lean timber]

hermeez nuts

[tepid light]

thanatos and ares and other gods may kill mortals, but their souls are brought to charon by hermes

and then charon takes them down to the underworld

[latent moon]

Hermes when you do a back to back 6 minute Speedrun: bro I was literally just here

[tepid light]

hermes is the god of The Fast (TM)

so yeah that checks out

[lean timber]

the quickness

also known as mercury

[brisk trail]

you do know that ™️ exists, right?

[tepid light]

mercury deez nuts

[tepid light]

[brisk trail]

what

[tepid light]

[brisk trail]

finally got to the asphodel

time to perish myself

[tepid light]

no

keep going with the run

be a real gamer

[brisk trail]

no

[tepid light]

yes

[brisk trail]

too late im trying out the boat glitch

[lean timber]

it's not a glitch

it's fun tho

[brisk trail]

it failed

got back to the house

didnt find than

sad

i wonder if 1 titan blood is worth 200 gemstones 🤔

[lean timber]

nope

do not

do not trade your blood

ever unless you are one hundred percent done with all 306 titan's blood you need

[latent moon]

Never trade away blood

[brisk trail]

titan blood is

used mainly for upgrading your aspects, right?

[lean timber]

yes

the most precious currency in the game

[latent moon]

You need a lot to max the aspects lol

[brisk trail]

well i just got 4 ambrosia, thanks sisyphus

[latent moon]

3 per run if you trade the ambrosia away, 102 clears needed assuming you don't trade ambrosia away from the fated list

[brisk trail]

uhuh

im still trying to figure out 'The Queen's Plan'

there's no obvious way to get past the locked hearts

[latent moon]

Look it up on the wiki or just play more

[lean timber]

you have to complete each god's "favor" whatever that may be

posideon's is fishing, etc

[latent moon]

You don't have look up anything if you just keep playing

[lean timber]

there's a corresponding prophecy for each favor to complete

[brisk trail]

well, zeus, athena, ares and dionysus's is already done

or atleast im pretty sure, since their hearts are maxed out

[latent moon]

Yeah you just need to forge more bonds with gods

[lean timber]

how about you forge more bonds with some girls

[brisk trail]

i cant figure out how to break the locks on poseidon, aphrodite, artemis, hermes or demeters hearts yet

[brisk trail]

thats probably the oldest 'go get maidens' joke ive ever seen

good news is that ||i can finally repair the eldest sigil||

[latent moon]

Wiki is your answer if you want to know immediately

[brisk trail]

feels like cheating

[latent moon]

Then just keep playing you'll get it eventually

[brisk trail]

even sisyphus is telling zag 'you do know that boudly is just a rock, right..?'

zag's offically gone insane lmao

[brisk trail]

Hi, um- so I just beat the game for the first time yesterday, how many more times I need to?

uh

how much free time you got

[brisk trail]

uh... three hours a day?

oh boy

I'm scared

you should be

oh no

[lean timber]

i mean you need to keep beating it to make progress

[brisk trail]

each run lasts around 30 minutes, for me atleast

[lean timber]

you got a long road ahead of you pretty much

[brisk trail]

yeah

[lean timber]

it's gonna take a while

[brisk trail]

maybe a month or so

OH

if you play everyday..

Well it is worth it

[lean timber]

i mean i'm here so

yeah i think so

[brisk trail]

my goal is to get all of Hermes' hearts so-

why is that your goal?

[lean timber]

because hermes is awesome

[brisk trail]

cant argue with that

[high island]

10 wins for the ending. There's also an epilogue after that that will take quite a few more runs, but you don't actually need to win runs for that, just progress character affinities and dialogues.

[brisk trail]

I see, thank you

[brisk trail]

exactly

i tried a 32 heat run,

i got all the way to hades, than lost on the final phase

yikes for me..

[high island]

Sounds like you just need to try again.

[brisk trail]

i think ill cut down on the heat for a bit, than pick the pace back up when i feel like it

[burnt moth]

I expect this to be impossible but on the off chance that someone has a potential solution for me I reckon I'll ask anyways

But is there a way I would be able to bring my save files from Steam over to my Switch version of Hades?

I'm two achievements away from getting all of them on Steam but I really want to be able to play it out while I'm out and about or just portably so restarting from scratch is less than preferable if I get a say in it at all

[void vigil]

there is cross save

[formal sinew]

There...

Is?

Damn

[burnt moth]

Oh??? How do I use it?

[austere loom]

if I level up beowulf

the cast gets stronger?

[warm nimbus]

no but the attack does

[void vigil]

I believe there should be instructions in game

[burnt moth]

Cheers, ty

[humble acorn]

mirage shot on beo ps4 still bugged or no

[mint coral]

Is bugged on all platforms

[humble acorn]

bet

ALso i got my first hell mode run completed with hera bow artemis cast heart rend 😂

second was with beo

[austere loom]

which are the better hidden aspects?

[warm nimbus]

shield > bow > rail > spear > sword >> fists

is the general consensus

[austere loom]

shield eh

what makes the shield better than Hera bow

just asking

[warm nimbus]

because it doesnt lodge casts, has better aoe, and has mirage bug

[austere loom]

huh

[warm nimbus]

beo is literally the best aspect in the game lol

[austere loom]

I just tried it

and maybe just me not used to it

but it just feels "slippery"

[quiet ice]

In order, the hidden aspects imo go
||Beowulf (shield) S tier, one of the best in the game
Rama (Bow) S tier, good build does unbelievable damage
Lucifer (rail) A with the right hammers once you learn to use the special
Guan Yu (spear) b/c depending on hammers
Arthur (sword) C, maybe B for best defense for a sword
Gilgamesh (fists) F tier, stinky, bad, do not use||

[safe tinsel]

What's Beowulf's extra ability

[warm nimbus]

yeah its a bit clunky at first but you get used to it after a while

charged shot makes it stupidly op

[austere loom]

still stygian soul, right?

stygian soul is good but I really need to find a source of +1 for bosses

either from chaos or the well

[warm nimbus]

no

stygian soul is really bad for cast aspects

you wsnt to use infernal

[austere loom]

huh

heard about using styg for trippy

[warm nimbus]

well yeah for trippy

[quiet ice]

I don't think I've ever tried a single run with stygian soul

[warm nimbus]

but trippy beo isnt great

its extremely highroll trying to get a good build

[austere loom]

what's for Beo then?

[warm nimbus]

flood flare is the best at low heats

you want to use gods legacy on the mirror and then try to find artemis to get mirage shot

[quiet ice]

Flood flare. Put Artemis on attack, go for mirage shot. Hope chaos gives you another bloodstone (not necessary but very good) and then instaphase bosses

[tall holly]

aphro?

mb?

[austere loom]

now I see

thanks

now I see my mistake

[warm nimbus]

aphro flare is good for high heat when you cant consistently get mirage

[tall holly]

perfect

i can never get mirage

tks

[quiet ice]

Do you have your mirror set up properly?

[tall holly]

even with legacy

[warm nimbus]

high heat means like 45 heat+

in this context

[quiet ice]

I usually get it probably about 60% of the time in trying I'd say

[tall holly]

me about like 40% or less

[austere loom]

god's legacy

the duo, right?

that's gon be rough

[tall holly]

duos and legendary

[austere loom]

the other side's super good, right?

[quiet ice]

Make sure you're not filling your core boons with other gods if you can help it until you get to your duo

[tall holly]

i know how to get mirage lmao

[quiet ice]

It's fine but you can usually make up for it with poms and Eurydice rng

[tall holly]

normally i take pride

because personally

legacy makes no difference

[warm nimbus]

for literally everything except beo, yes

and pride is still good on beo but getting mirage is super important because it literally doubles your damage

so you choose legacy instead

[tall holly]

you want mirage for like every single cast build

[quiet ice]

Really?, I feel like every single run I do im attempting to get a combo boon, whether it's ME, Hunting blades, heart rend, mirage shot, etc

[warm nimbus]

not every single cast build

i mean its good but not as important as it is on beo

anyways i have to go to class

[tall holly]

aight cya

[mint coral]

Most of the time the epic boons can help, and 1 duo isnt that hard to get

For example ME benefits a lot from epic doom/hermes

[strong ridge]

higher rarity across the board is probably more helpful than slightly higher chance for duos to roll

[brisk trail]

is it just me, ||or after you face off against EM4 Hades a couple of times, non-EM4 Hades becomes a total joke?||

[spice hare]

the feeling of switching from pure desperation to reach the surface to clowning on hades with zeus shield is addicting

[spice hare]

tbf every zone boss becomes a joke once you know their attack pattern

[spring scarab]

Aigis is the best weapon in the game - fight me

[signal aspen]

it really is

[spring scarab]

W opinion

[spice hare]

zeus aspect gives you basically free special application

apply demeter or dio and you get full stack in one throw

[humble acorn]

rail?

is ||lucifer|| really that good

[raw herald]

It’s pretty good yea

[signal aspen]

id probably put spear above rail

[mental vale]

except for em3 bull

that massive circle makes me want to cry

[spice hare]

ah crap i forgot about him

[signal aspen]

this is why you build meme beams on all weapons

[mental vale]

what if youre playing cold embrace

[signal aspen]

you die

[mental vale]

maybe itd be good if it was multiplicative

[signal aspen]

nah

[warm nimbus]

nah luci is better

not by a crazy amount but it def is

maybe gy is better if youre on controller

[signal aspen]

imagine playing hades on kbm

guan yu is better

[warm nimbus]

says the kbm player

[signal aspen]

no im not

[snow skiff]

i have 50 gy but not 50 lucy

gy > lucy

simple logic

this is also why poseidon > everything else

[brisk trail]

i just had a run with it, made it into a water gun with the help of poseidon

probably the most fun weapon

not that strong tho

[humble acorn]

damn

[brisk trail]

it made it a lot more fun, mostly because i watched the netflix show 'Lucifer',

so im glad to see such an intresting name in this game

[humble acorn]

Oh the netflix show lucifer

I heard of it

[humble acorn]

yeah that's very true

[brisk trail]

yeah, its pretty good

very accurate to the christianity religion

from my understanding of it, atleast

[formal sinew]

I used demeter

The irony of freezing fire

[brisk trail]

and those 5 diamonds were 1000% worth it for 'The Unseen Ones', aka a song you can buy so our favorite court musician can play it

[formal sinew]

0 to 10 cold

[humble acorn]

sick

[brisk trail]

i got demeter for my speical

gods, this music hits

EM4 is really important lmao

[formal sinew]

For my special I did hangover

[brisk trail]

its good, you should check it out

[formal sinew]

I also did laser for cast so

Weee laser army

[brisk trail]

AOL was extremely fun, i might use it again someday

for sure not for heat, since that thing has terrible damage

still fun.

[warm nimbus]

yeah but it needs triple bomb to be good

and then you ideally want arty special on it but aphro special also works (and dem and athena are decent)

[strong ridge]

the game takes very good care of not canonizing any particular religion while still being greek-centric its very good

[warm nimbus]

but pos and flat damage arent very good on rail special

[mental vale]

always nice to see someone independently discover super soaker

[brisk trail]

lmao

[strong ridge]

Sg made a very compelling universe across multiple cultures it saddens me that hades will likely be the only game in this universe

[brisk trail]

poseidon's hooking you up with that XXL supersoaker

[strong ridge]

im not syaing i want hades 2 or anything just that i like how SG represents mythos

[brisk trail]

||why is there an option to mute hermes? i dont wanna mute our speedy boi 😭||

[strong ridge]

speed

[brisk trail]

whoever does that, total monster

[strong ridge]

lots of ppl dont read tdialogue

of anyone

[brisk trail]

thats like, 99% of the gameplay

[strong ridge]

some of my pals i showed the game to skiperinod most of the talking

[brisk trail]

skiperinod?

[strong ridge]

yea they dont care much for reading

[brisk trail]

must be speedrunners

[strong ridge]

no just casuls

[brisk trail]

that just sounds boring

[warm nimbus]

rta time

dialogue sucks

also he kind of gets annoying after a while lol

[strong ridge]

to each their own imo
for me it demonstrates how well the gameplay is separated from the story

the game stands on it own without much pretext which is neato

[brisk trail]

the prince of the underworld trying to escape it? i cant disagree

but the dialog is more important to me than actual gameplay

[signal aspen]

bruh nobody told hermes to shut up for the rta timesave

[warm nimbus]

?

does it not save like 0.5s

[signal aspen]

it does but nobody does that

[strong ridge]

i think theyre saying nobody does it the first time

[warm nimbus]

why not

[signal aspen]

im pretty sure you need to make a new save for that

[strong ridge]

mayb

im sure you could mod ur current one

[warm nimbus]

wait really wtf

does the src save have hermes dialogue or not

[signal aspen]

idk

[strong ridge]

probably

[signal aspen]

if it doesnt then who ever made the save is a horrible person 🗿

[warm nimbus]

why

its the speedrunning save not the hermes save

[signal aspen]

[strong ridge]

thunder dash more like tickle dash

[mint coral]

Jolted dash

[strong ridge]

tdash is the finishing touch of a zeus run

[mint coral]

Tidal or thunder

[strong ridge]

tickle

[rain relic]

on the subject of dashes, the Athena dash is kinda funny

[mint coral]

Or titan toppler

[signal aspen]

idk man as

[strong ridge]

tickle toppler

[mint coral]

Someone with

[strong ridge]

nasty toppler

[signal aspen]

around 10 40 heat runs

[mint coral]

Idk how it goes

[signal aspen]

Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

[strong ridge]

tidal more dps = more better but divine is not something to complain about

[brisk trail]

10 mins and 13 seconds into ely and ive reached the final bosses, is that good?

[rain relic]

well it's faster then any of my runs, so i'd say so

[raw herald]

I’m not sure dude, personally I’ve completed 32+ heat numerous times, there isn’t a situation where I wouldn’t take divine dash. Except for a few specific scenarios, divine dash is undoubtedly the best, most versatile dash boon that the game has to offer. Me and the most voted contributor to this post are on the same wavelength, 85% is simply too low for what has got to be the best boon in the game.

[warm nimbus]

lmao

[brisk trail]

..im not using heat

[raw herald]

Yes it’s good

[strong ridge]

mmm pasta

[brisk trail]

yes, very good pasta

[strong ridge]

epic quick recovery poll

[warm nimbus]

I disagree, I've escaped below 41 heat and above 39 heat about 10 times and i prefer divine dash over other dashes 10 times out of 10. Disregarding the small number of cases where other dashes are better, divine dash is an amazing and nearly unrivaled dash boon. I am with the original poster of this thread that 0.85 is innacurate for what is obviously the greatest dash boon in the game.

[brisk trail]

i beat my pr by an entire minute(?) hah

[warm nimbus]

nice

[brisk trail]

17.52 was my old one, and 16.02 is my new one

[warm nimbus]

thats almost 2 minutes, not 1 minute

[brisk trail]

yeah im not very good at math

[hardy spear]

do you see 8.99 as $8

[brisk trail]

no, i see it as 9$

american taxes..

[hardy spear]

took me a while to find the dollar sign on my british phone keyboard

[brisk trail]

oh, not the british

[warm nimbus]

no i see it as somewhere between 10 dollars and 12 dollars depending on the location

[hardy spear]

we do bite be afraid

[brisk trail]

yeah thats what you said when we dumped you tea into the ocean?

[hardy spear]

it was good tea why did you do that

[brisk trail]

im..

not sure

spite?

[warm nimbus]

yeah idk im with the british on that one that was a stupid idea

[brisk trail]

it sucks that i have to enable 'The Unseen Ones' track every time at the house of hades

but its 100% worth it

such a good track

[hardy spear]

hades music is boppin

[warm nimbus]

whats... the house of hades?

[brisk trail]

is the house of hades

duh

[mint coral]

Welcome to the house of hades!

[hardy spear]

the place where you emerge after dying

[brisk trail]

hes 100% messing around

[warm nimbus]

isnt that the courtyard?

[hardy spear]

no?

[mint coral]

Modded user

[hardy spear]

wait youre not joking?

[mint coral]

The speedrun modpack allows you to quick reset into the courtyard

[brisk trail]

oh

hes literally not joking

[brisk trail]

mfw xbox

[hardy spear]

same

[mint coral]

Switch here

But i still have the modpack 😎

[hardy spear]

ok nerd

[mint coral]

[hardy spear]

i thought you were one of us

[warm nimbus]

bruh i keep getting enshrouded cast damage and stones

this game sucks

[mint coral]

Just get the rooms™

[warm nimbus]

lol excruciating shot nvm

[brisk trail]

than why play it? 🤔

[hardy spear]

why are you a feather duster simp now

[warm nimbus]

because it sucks

[brisk trail]

||anyways i freed achilles lmao||

[hardy spear]

yooo

i did that recently

[warm nimbus]

nice

[hardy spear]

also you dont need to spoiler anything here

[warm nimbus]

also btw you dont have to spoiler anything in this channel

[warm nimbus]

damn it

you said it first