yo
#h1-discussion
trail citrus
I'm pnly missing the bounties from the bow. WHich aspect/build would u peop advise me to go for?
pulsar hemlock
Lol, Athena special is fun
safe tinsel
Imo poseidon is always fun
rustic vale
I'm pnly missing the bounties from the bow. WHich aspect/build would u peop adv...
Shackle zag or shackle chiron
trail citrus
ty
rustic vale
If you want something serious, taking artemis strike aphrodite flourish on zag is good just get your additive from chaos and rush delivery
Or chiron run aphrodite attack and either artemis flourish or dionysus flourish
Dionysus wants poms artemis does not
trail citrus
I've been using hera bow. Did some good stuf, but maybe I've just been way too lucky on these 3 runs
~Got herme's legendary on both of them
rustic vale
Walking into hades fight 12 heat higher then usual and no dd’s and a little over 100 hp
What could possibly go wrong
Oh and I’m using talos
With shackle
The best keepsake
trail citrus
I mean, if u make, it means u just got good XD
rustic vale
I just got to phase 2 with 11 hp so we’ll see how it plays out
Nevermind
Deadened
swift inlet
"Game wants to fill your core boons"
Get to aphrodite but she's only offering weak on enemy death/damage taken, extra hp gain, etc
rustic vale
jagged wadi
I just came here to say... Artemis and Eurydice are 2 of the most wholesome characters I've seen in this game and I love them a lot 😭
swift inlet
Correction: Achilles and Nyx
Homegirl has like 44 kids and loves them all with all her heart
signal aspen
most wholesome character
rustic vale
Bouldy most wholesome main character
jagged wadi
at least if he had a line
signal aspen
he does
jagged wadi
"..."?
rustic vale
Wholesome
signal aspen
"..." 😍
safe tinsel
Imo the most infuriating thing in Hades is when Zag does that thing where he doesn't believe in Bouldy
Smh
safe tinsel
Petition to ban @jagged wadi for this blasphemy
jagged wadi
modern tusk
Charon on his way to be more tedious than hades
short glen
It's not just a boulder! It's a rock!
latent moon
currently using beo, this is probably a bug right
or will i be offered bilzzard shot and not be able to do anything about it
warm nimbus
currently using beo, this is probably a bug right
yeah cant happen
latent moon
okay very cool
warm nimbus
blizzard shot is incompatible with beo
which is why dem is such a good god on beo
has snow burst/rav will/rare crop/nourished soul and all of her cores are inert with pos and arty
latent moon
yo heroic icy flare
snow skiff
Take it
latent moon
isn't the scaling horrid on it
warm nimbus
yeah
snow skiff
Yes
warm nimbus
it goes like 14->10->7->7
snow skiff
It also gets affected by small flare bug
snow skiff
Average bugwulf boon
latent moon
ah god dammit i found arty naturally i shouldn't have done that lmfao
latent moon
because funny red
snow skiff
Funny icy flare
latent moon
got a big pom on it
snow skiff
Its ok just get pos on dash and get mirage that way
latent moon
wait icy flare has a delay before it goes off tf
lean timber
L
quiet ice
okay I really need someone to answer this without memeing me here
does Bouldy give you a keepsake?
or is that a mod?
because I've given him SO much nectar but I haven't gotten a keepsake from him, but I've seen screenshots in this discord and there's a bouldy keepsake in them
quiet ice
okay so that's a mod
rustic vale
Otherwise I would be 『Bouldy Keepsake Best Keepsake』
latent moon
sisyphus' keepsake is bouldy tho
mint coral
@trail citrus forced overtime makes enemies spawn faster and em2 brings lernie small heads closer
Is the speedrun pact
And tight deadline to disable survival room
safe tinsel
Imagine if sisyphus' keepsake was "Piece of Bouldy" and the description was "You always believe in Bouldy, whatever that means" and gives you an increased chance for sisyphis room and increased chance for higher stat boosts when giving bouldy nectar
latent moon
i feel like speedrunners would just reset for hours until they get the god + rarity they want so they get the chance for sisyphus lmao
and then not get it and realize they wasted hours of their life
safe tinsel
I wish there was a mirror enhancement that increased chance of the sisyphus, euridice and patroclus rooms and then on the flip side, increased chance of hearts and poms
latent moon
hearts and poms is basically dark foresight
lean timber
hearts, poms, boons, etc.
safe tinsel
Eh I just kinda made one up bc I couldn't figure out what to do on the flip
trail citrus
<@306159213762183169> forced overtime makes enemies spawn faster and em2 brings ...
Tnx. Just need a good build now
zenith stump
Just got my pc up and running for the first time in two months so now it’s time to run Hades and listen to podcasts for the next 24 hours
faint flint
Hey all, I'm looking to go laptop shopping soon, and was looking to be able to play hades on it while I travel
Does anybody have an integrated graphics laptop? how does that handle hades?
(obviously, I play it at a desktop, this is more a travel thing)
latent moon
not sure whether or not mine has integrated graphics, but i've had a much crappier thinkpad a year or so ago and it ran hades pretty smoothly despite being years old
according to my friend, hades is pretty well optimized and can run really well
lean timber
witches' circle
latent moon
still worked pretty well on my previous laptop lol
lean timber
lean timber
wiki says a full styx clear is 33 chambers but i thought the number of chambers per tunnel was a range, not a hard number
warm nimbus
wiki says a full styx clear is 33 chambers but i thought the number of chambers ...
i believe it is a range lol
lean timber
should have figured not trusting the wiki was the right move
considering snow burst is apparently t2
patent mesa
warm nimbus
very impressive, gj
lean timber
goes hard for sure gonna run this for 50
warm nimbus
only do that pact for like eris/luci lmao
deft canyon
Let me summ up the duo fight.
Chad and Noble talking idiot
But tbh Theseus and Asterius are totally best bros lol
lean timber
they sure are. i thought the exchange of friendship rings on extreme measures 3 was a nice touch
trail citrus
yo
I'm at the part where I'm just farming darkness for the ranks (finished the bounties yesterday ^_^)
Anyone happen to know hard to trigger lines of dialogue?
I got one yesterday asking Nyx about her dauighters, which seems to be triggered by talking with thanatos on a run using aspects of hestia and eris.
lean timber
oh? what's the tea i forgot what the roast is
lean timber
Anyone happen to know hard to trigger lines of dialogue?
a lot of it is just completely random chance. i guess the "hardest" line of dialogue to hear is the the 32 heat skelly challenge
and dad probably talks about it too
deft canyon
oh? what's the tea i forgot what the roast is
"Your Uncle Poseidon got the worst character traits of both his brothers Zeus and Your father" or something like that
trail citrus
nice one
I just got some lines of zagres talking with meg about him being conflicte about fighting her
lean timber
wow
trail citrus
ok, fastes/most consistentt weapon for this farm portion of the game?
nemesis kills my fingers
warm nimbus
for each weapon the best speedrunning aspects are: nemesis, achilles, beowulf, hera, demeter, eris (or hestia if you like it better)
i wouldnt worry about farming quickly though, just play the game normally and youll get a lot of darkness/bounties
lean timber
hera is so good
almost as good as rama. fo2 kind of poops on it tho
unless you're godly with spacing your dashes and snagging powerstrikes on it
ah, not me romanticizing the struggle of rama on fo2 in the hades server again
trail citrus
i wouldnt worry about farming quickly though, just play the game normally and yo...
I got all the bounties XD. Only thing I'm missig is the darkness for ranks
warm nimbus
resource director
lmao yeah in that case id not try to farm
farming resource director ranks takes forever
void vigil
I would just play the weapon you like
also always pick Poseidon and chaos
don’t try to rush towards it and just play whenever you feel like it because it will take a lot of time
trail citrus
indeed
took a lot of time to buy the abyssal theme. But that was cause I was doing the bounties
In a good run,one can get 1500+
lean timber
abyssal theme goes hard
rancid hemlock
Oh hey you’re the guy from the idle slayer discord
trail citrus
abyssal theme goes hard
I think I'l keep it XD
lean timber
i like chaos theme better
rancid hemlock
how did you recognize me
Bc you don’t see many people called mattyboi that also have a pfp of ryu
brisk trail
I wonder, is it impossible to upgrade a boon from heroic to legendary?
trail citrus
I wonder, is it impossible to upgrade a boon from heroic to legendary?
wait, isn't legendary before heroic? O.o
brisk trail
wait, isn't legendary before heroic? O.o
no, is it?
brisk trail
It always became heroic when I upgraded my epic boons
trail citrus
Would be interesting, though. WOnder if there is a mod for that
brisk trail
I think legendary is a whole another class
trail citrus
Yeah. According to the mod where you can choose boons and their rarirties, heroic seems to be the cap
lean timber
legendary is impossible to upgrade into
common -> rare -> epic -> heroic
legendaries and duos have to be offered
warm nimbus
legendaries are just a completely different type of boon
acoustic bolt
ok Zag going "guh-dong" when Thanatos appears is freaking amazing
brisk trail
ok Zag going "guh-dong" when Thanatos appears is freaking amazing
I read this just as I was entering a chamber with Thanatos
trail citrus
ok Zag going "guh-dong" when Thanatos appears is freaking amazing
indeed
deft canyon
Charon is a big bros
He helps u at escaping pays skelly to aid u.
And he has the best Dialogue
"Nghaaaaar" i felt that
deft canyon
Charon is a Chad
His Dialogue is complicated af
Deep too
"hraaaaaaaagh" i felt that
deft canyon
Ghuuuuuhhh also very deep7
acoustic bolt
do you get the dialogue revealing skelly's origins after winning with tooth?
deft canyon
Yeah
acoustic bolt
cause i just got it after doing that but i'm many many clears in
acoustic bolt
i guess i was supposed to know charon hired him before mom came back. cause skelly says charon has a horse in this race but there relaly isn't one anymore
deft canyon
The game is perfection
safe tinsel
Damn I beat with tooth like 3 times
acoustic bolt
Damn I beat with tooth like 3 times
with a lvl 3 keepsake? i wonder if you needed to not lose the dd, or if you NEEDED to lose it
brisk trail
i guess i was supposed to know charon hired him before mom came back. cause ske...
hades lore moment
modern tusk
HOLUP CHARON HIRED SKELLY
Wait wha
Me when I actually believed it was Hermes
(Hermes is also kinda a chad tho)
safe tinsel
Hermes straight up don't care abt ur business. Everything about him is different. Rhe cap on Hermes boons, the types of boons he offers, he's just in and out to say that he helped
latent moon
Just get hyper delivery easy
safe tinsel
Hermes boons are rly good. If they weren't capped, Shackle x Hermes would be completely overpowered
modern tusk
He could literally start the war but doesn’t he’s such a chad man
mental vale
mint coral
just get athena attack for ME lol
rustic vale
Hermes boons are rly good. If they weren't capped, Shackle x Hermes would be com...
Shackle by itself is already overpowered, definitely doesn’t need hermes
limpid swift
I got my Cerberus plush today!! I wish I could post him here but I'll settle for showing him off on Insta
safe tinsel
Shackle by itself is already overpowered, *definitely* doesn’t need hermes
Yeah ur user is very telling of your favourite keepsake lol but I rkt like using the powered attack special and cast for the status effects
high island
I got my Cerberus plush today!! I wish I could post him here but I'll settle fo...
You can post image links. You just can't upload images directly.
limpid swift
Oh thanks for letting me know!
elder bay
why can you mark or tag boons in the boon hud and at the end screen?
latent moon
For an easy screenshot
Because sometimes you want to flex how much damage your heroic Aphrodite damage does
acoustic bolt
What is "CE"?
latent moon
Cdeez enuts
elder bay
Clint Eastwood
lean timber
think i'm going to run dem/aphro hera today
latent moon
Common era cheat engine
lean timber
Dem atk aphro cast?
yep. i don't like ps too much but maybe i'll run it for funsies
i mean it kind of is pointless almost because you're not going to do anything with it on proper hera save for bosses
eh well
warm nimbus
yep. i don't like ps too much but maybe i'll run it for funsies
i dont think you run pstatus on hera lol
warm nimbus
idk im convinced that its the best for eris and luci 50
lean timber
ri1 ap1? or pstat?
warm nimbus
ri1 ap1
latent moon
PS on rail based
lean timber
i believe you clock man
woman
pronouns
i come from a time where everyone is assumed to be male on the internet
i'm swapping bp2 for em3 i think
latent moon
For what heat
lean timber
running it again
latent moon
That's doable
lean timber
hera again
warm nimbus
oh ok
lean timber
same exact pact as last time, just removing bp2 in favor of em3
gotta learn it sometime
warm nimbus
lol didnt you clear in like 19 minutes on td1
warm nimbus
bruh
lean timber
i'm scared 😭
latent moon
Are you still doing td1
warm nimbus
this is why td is better than other pacts
warm nimbus
ok td2 is better
lean timber
lol 2 free heat not missing that
latent moon
Not doing td3 is understandable at least
lean timber
and no, td3 is not "free" for me lol. that gives me nerves. td2 is doable
warm nimbus
i still would recommend going nyoom and doing td3 but if youre that scared by the timer lmao
lean timber
i am i'm a peepee baby for the timer
warm nimbus
if i see another sub 20 though im forcing you to do td3 next time
lean timber
guess who's not posting in victory boasts then 
latent moon
Lmfao
latent moon
PS kinda doodoo
lean timber
mf ur the one that said it 😭
warm nimbus
does pstatus proc on the first cast? i actually dont know
lean timber
well that's what i was wondering as well because it kinda makes a difference
we're about to discover
rustic vale
guess who's not posting in victory boasts then <:clueless:1005416590097002597>
Victory boats
latent moon
mf ur the one that said it 😭
I mean if it was up to me I'd just do aphro atk and aphro cast for damage lmao dem's only useful for snow burst
latent moon
does pstatus proc on the first cast? i actually dont know
Don't believe it does
rustic vale
⛵
lean timber
dem is 2nd highest % increase it's not too much of a loss
warm nimbus
Don't believe it does
bruh
lean timber
- chill on fo2 good
latent moon
Noticed it on my 50 beo runs because Dem atk 1 aphro cast didn't give me funky sounds
warm nimbus
there are so many things in this game that will proc on themselves and pstatus isnt one of them?
lean timber
ooh funky sounds? lfg i love funky sound
latent moon
PS gives a funky sounds when you connect on them
warm nimbus
ooh funky sounds? lfg i love funky sound
yes pstatus make good noise
warm nimbus
yeah or like zap fists if you pstatus lol
rustic vale
ooh funky sounds? lfg i love funky sound
I have the feeling you aren’t using lfg as “Looking For Group” but instead something like “Lets [expletive] go”
warm nimbus
Vaguely sounds like ripping paper
more of a "pang"
rustic vale
I have the feeling you aren’t using lfg as “Looking For Group” but instead somet...
Am I right
lean timber
indeed it is
warm nimbus
it was a joke but upon further inspection it does seem that it is most used by people who play tabletop games lmao
lean timber
nah it's p legit
rustic vale
It’s used for dnd and also destiny 2 which are the only places I’ve seen it used
lean timber
general good matchmaking fun stuff
rustic vale
But also the only context I’ve ever seen lfg used were those 2 games
I’ve never seen it used otherwise
lean timber
oh, you mean this epic quick reload i snagged in the midshop? that quick reload? the 1.7s drop time? that one?
warm nimbus
oh, you mean this epic quick reload i snagged in the midshop? that quick reload?...
yo wtf epic
very nice
lean timber
i'm nasty with it my luck is actually rly good
also pride ftw
now i'm conflicted, do i actually run dem or nah 😭
i kinda want to but at the same time athena dash kinda need...
eh i'll pick it up in ely if i must
lean timber
i definitely should not. hoping to rng my way into it. midshop?? plz??
if i make this run i'll be so carried by midshop
ok i got snow burst, so pstat is kind of covered... going to take athena for dash + dd potential
latent moon
get exposed
lean timber
i got got
latent moon
it do be like that
latent moon
it's hard to tell whether or not it's actually useful unless PS doesn't get proced at all imo, if you do have a reliable way of doing so then it's not easy to tell
lean timber
yeah just don't hit them with snow burst
considering i had 4 casts, +100% cast damage from chaos, and twin flurry, i should have been golden. screwed up tho
grr it would have been so good
took some heat down but left up em3 so i can learn it
warm nimbus
what time did you enter heroes?
lean timber
td2 had 7 minutes to beat them
so uhh 14m? i think
idk between 7 and 9 mins so between 12m and 14m
modern tusk
Wait you need the weapon that you want to get a hidden aspect with for that character to give you the sentence right
rustic vale
If I read your question right
You only need to have the weapon equipped to get the first dialogue line
Where they comment on your use of said weapon
after that any weapon till you get the line
modern tusk
Ohh ok
Yea that’s what I was wondering
Cuz I’ve been doing throwaway runs to try and get the hidden bow aspect but wasn’t sure if I had to use the bow during those runs
lean timber
22 heat with LC2 and HL2 was easy did not even die. think it's just asterius i need to worry abt getting close to. and obv keeping track of theseus. but how in the world do you avoid his dash? he becomes so ridiculously fast dashes can't outrun him anymore. do i just pillar camp?
warm nimbus
22 heat with LC2 and HL2 was easy did not even die. think it's just asterius i n...
lol yeah asterius charges are damn impossible to dodge i swear
i prefer the "panic and run to the edge of the arena" strategy
its much easier to get him to crash into the arena wall than the pillars
lean timber
that's why i was getting so mad before cuz it's totally dependant on how many charges he does. if he does four in a cycle i'm dead because each one is 50 damage. wall camp maybe. and then in the heroes fight just watch for theseus patrolling. sounds like fun, space management
i love controlling space!!
warm nimbus
i wouldnt wall camp as that limits your movement options against other asterius moves lmao
lean timber
what am i supposed to do
i don't want to switch off hera to run nuclear warhead again but if i have to i will
warm nimbus
you just kinda have to make a mad dash for the edge
spamming dashes will mean you end up going about the same speed as him
lean timber
that's such crap
that makes it pretty heavily dependent on how often he charges
and i can imagine it only gets worse with em4
snow skiff
and i can imagine it only gets worse with em4
Em4 doesn't modify asterius
lean timber
that is correct
signal aspen
Yes it does
signal aspen
Just kill them
lean timber
I HATE AUTOAIM FOR FORCING ME TO AIM AT HADES AND NOT THE EYE THING
AAUUUUUUUUGHHHH
I DIED TO AUTOAIM
signal aspen
Just kill them
signal aspen
Just kill them
rustic vale
Artemis can you give me this aspect already
A) you do have guan-yu
B) you have got the initial dialogue line about using coronacht from artemis
C) you have 5 blood invested in bow aspects
If you answered yes to all of these then you just have bad rng
lean timber
thanks good advice
signal aspen
Hypnos moment
lean timber
i have spear, shield, bow, and rail fully unlocked
all that matters is that i beat em3. time to turn the heat up until i'm back at 32
and then get rid of bp2 yay
for good
(until 40 probably)
modern tusk
A) you do have guan-yu
B) you have got the initial dialogue line about using cor...
By have guan yu do you mean own it or using it in my current run
lean timber
own it
modern tusk
Then yes to all
rustic vale
Not using it
modern tusk
Me when bad rng lol
lean timber
bad rng. diagnosis: skill issue
rustic vale
everyone has {expletive} rng for finding hidden aspects
lean timber
it'll come up. use artemis keepsake to meet her at the start of runs, talk to her, if she doesn't awaken rama, kill yourself and try again
(it's worth it rama is an excellent aspect)
btw DON'T give up, that won't do anything as far as resetting dialogue rng (usually) (unless you know manips) (and use them right)
modern tusk
Yea I learned that once I saw my first room rewards and hades message the exact same
Cuz I did try giving up once
lean timber
yep. giving up preserves rng. only way to change it is to kill yourself in a run
latent moon
can someone explain why flurry shot is supposedly good with hera
because i'm currently using it and it feels god awful
lean timber
oh my God flurry shot is so good with hera it's amazing
latent moon
i mean sure but why and how
lean timber
rather than waste frames charging a shot to reach your target you can just hit cast and fire instantly. max damage "weak" shot, but the main benefit is the distance is max no matter what, so your arrow will hit the target if you aim it right, every time. and it takes fractions of a second. once you get good with flurry, you can master dash, cast, attack sequence to absolutely snipe the crap out of smaller enemies. then track down your casts and repeat
the speed lends itself to saving time loading casts as well. it's all around a great upgrade for improving damage, range, speed, and efficiency
lean timber
i would say it's top ten at this point yeah
snow skiff
everyone has {expletive} rng for finding hidden aspects
It's always the people who don't try to fish for them that get them immediately
latent moon
Speedrunners use flurry shot
ik they use it, it just feels awful for me lmao
signal aspen
ik they use it, it just feels awful for me lmao
Are you kbm
signal aspen
Do you have auto aim on
snow skiff
Must be top 10 hammers of all time
Top 10 hammers:
10. hoarding slash
9. eternal chamber
8. sniper shot
7. repulse shot
6. vicious skewer
5. cruel thrust
4. flurry fire
3. dread flight
2. flaring spin
- draining cutter
lean timber
kbm is an L in general i'm pretty sure
signal aspen
Or aim assist whatever it's called
lean timber
Top 10 hammers:
10. hoarding slash
9. eternal chamber
8. sniper shot
7. repulse ...
i'm going to destroy you with a rock
signal aspen
Top 10 hammers:
10. hoarding slash
9. eternal chamber
8. sniper shot
7. repulse ...
Where is cursed slash
lean timber
kbm is poopy doodoo
snow skiff
Where is cursed slash
11
warm nimbus
Literally can't die with it
yeah but you also cant die with draining cutter
latent moon
Or aim assist whatever it's called
tried it, wouldn't lock onto meg, so i turned it off
warm nimbus
hence why draining cutter is #1
signal aspen
yeah but you also cant die with draining cutter
Bossfights
Can't heal much in those
warm nimbus
tried it, wouldn't lock onto meg, so i turned it off
turn it on lmao
signal aspen
You can with cursed slash
acoustic bolt
or alternatively, cheat engine
oh ok that makes sense
snow skiff
kbm is an L in general i'm pretty sure
Wrong
warm nimbus
yeah but draining cutter has the benefit of being on fists
warm nimbus
Can't heal much in those
and also yes you can
latent moon
wait no aim assist is already on
warm nimbus
meg lernie and hades summon things you can kill with draining cutter for hp
latent moon
it just never locks on
snow skiff
Time to grind more merciful end gilga 50
signal aspen
meg lernie and hades summon things you can kill with draining cutter for hp
Takes too long
Stop arguing
signal aspen
You know cursed slash is insane
warm nimbus
also another thing
signal aspen
You just refuse to accept it
snow skiff
draining cutter works on talos and cursed slash doesn't
warm nimbus
draining cutter works on upper and dupper
cursed slash only works on standing strike
snow skiff
true
Flurry slash cursed slash 👍
athena attack for infinite deflation obviously
*deflection
signal aspen
Deflation like in Bloons tower defense??????????????
signal aspen
No
snow skiff
Ok my bad
signal aspen
👍
lean timber
btd reference, die
rustic vale
Deflation like in Bloons tower defense??????????????
Deflation in bouldy tower defense
warm nimbus
athena attack for infinite deflation obviously
might be good against asterius
warm nimbus
i hate demeter.
based
lean timber
and the call damage STAGGERS so you have to waste MOVEMENT on getting out of it and then OH GUESS WHAT, ANOTHER SPEAR TO THE FACE, NICE 50 DAMAGE + ANOTHER VORTEX
latent moon
lmao yeah fighting against demeter is a pain
lean timber
WHY DOES IT STAGGER
DEM CALL LITERALLY DOES NOT STAGGER ENEMIES SO WHY DOES IT STAGGER ZAGREUS
latent moon
because zag is small and frail
lean timber
i'm good now 😄
zag tiny boy. baby. don't like cold
i think pstat is slightly too risky for this to be any fun. switching back to fam fave until i get rly good at 32
wait if artemis can give crits to theseus could that maybe be the strongest non-trap? or is it still boiling blood spear throw
acoustic bolt
@rustic vale what was the argument about
lean timber
augh
acoustic bolt
i argued with my grandpa yesterday about politics for almost 3 hours. it was real upsetting lol
rustic vale
a lot of things related to the overall strength of martial pc's in dnd fifth edition from an optimisation standpoint
they're like
actually this is a good comparison because the hades reddit community is braindead from what I've heard
a redditor
lean timber
a lot of things related to the overall strength of martial pc's in dnd fifth edi...
i understood zero words in this sentence.
snow skiff
a redditor
that does not narrow it down in the slightest
rustic vale
the person I was arguing with had as many braincells as a redditor, the comparison works for dungeons and dragons 5th edition reddit and hades reddit
rustic vale
apparently hades reddit braindead right
or am I wrong and have been lied to this whole time
acoustic bolt
it seems like the crowd leans much more casual than this discord
from what i've seen
rustic vale
hmm
acoustic bolt
so it is full of not optimal advice
lean timber
this place is a good midpoint between casual and professional
acoustic bolt
braindead may be a bit harsh :p
rustic vale
well dungeons and dragons fifth edition reddit thinks they're the cutting edge of technology when they bang rocks together and call it a rocket ship
lean timber
def leans professional tho
warm nimbus
apparently hades reddit braindead right
yeah it doesnt have the best gameplay tips
acoustic bolt
does the dnd reddit think coffeelock is cutting edge or something
rustic vale
well dungeons and dragons fifth edition reddit thinks they're the cutting edge o...
and when you try to explain actual optimisation type things they're typically so set it their ways and ideas that no you're bad and what you propose would only work in a white room
acoustic bolt
is that like a vacuum
acoustic bolt
i'm just curious what hte actual topic was. besides this is general are we really not allowed to talk about anything else
rustic vale
it was a 2 hour convo and things jumped from place to place
it wouldn't be easy to concisely get down
I mean I don't really want to dig too far into it and it is hades discussion
warm nimbus
i'm just curious what hte actual topic was. besides this is general are we reall...
this is the hades general channel, the normal general channel is #off-topic-discussion
rustic vale
plus I just
don't want to get too far into because it's kind of just making me cringe at some of my texts that were said heat of the moment
rustic vale
wait a minute
lean timber
point-blank and dionysus 😭
rustic vale
why aren't you rama simp now
lean timber
cuz i beat 32 finally? of course
rustic vale
idk man
lean timber
and i like hera 32 way better than rama 32
rustic vale
I've never been so disappointed in someone
lean timber
you sound like momma
snow skiff
beat hera 62 heat
lean timber
one day 
rustic vale
rama 64 heat this instant
lean timber
rama 64 i would rather die
warm nimbus
beat hera 62 heat
that would be exceedingly impressive
i dont think a non shield has gone higher than 60
warm nimbus
some are but a lot arent
if you want to see heat wrs go to angels channel lmao
and then nephi has an arthur 57 and i think nitro has a hera 57 or 58
or maybe nitro just has a lot of hera 58 chokes lol
rustic vale
unseeded?
lean timber
or is that zeus?
warm nimbus
beo doesnt have 62
lean timber
rama is unseeded
warm nimbus
highest beo is 60 and theres a lot of them
snow skiff
and then nephi has an arthur 57 and i think nitro has a hera 57 or 58
????????????????????????
rustic vale
zeus has 64 seeded right or am I brain deadened
snow skiff
how the HELL does arthur 57 work
rustic vale
how the HELL does arthur 57 work
it's the best aspect wdym
snow skiff
i know beo has the 62 i think
beo can't have 62 because ri3 locks out infernal soul
acoustic bolt
if i have zeus keepsake on and i take an aphro room over a zeus room will it still force zeus the next chance it gets?
warm nimbus
also a fair bit of rama 60s, tailesque had the first one in like late 2020 which was insane
lean timber
zeus has 64 seeded right or am I brain deadened
LMAO so sad
wrong message
i hate discord
warm nimbus
only aspects that have done higher than 60 are zeus chaos and zag shield i think\
snow skiff
it's the best aspect wdym
where's ur shackle talos 20 heat
warm nimbus
angel has a 61 heat chaos clear, angel and i think baj have 62 heat zag shield clears, and angel has a 63 heat zeus shield clear
warm nimbus
zeus has 64 seeded right or am I brain deadened
and yeah, it does
rustic vale
but patty didn't want to exist
meant no heal heals for me
warm nimbus
only time 64 heat has ever been beaten, seeded or unseeded
rustic vale
so I stopped running lc4 and then I misplaced my switch
warm nimbus
but angel was like 1 second away from beating 64 heat unseeded like a week ago or something
acoustic bolt
anyone? i know you know :p
warm nimbus
if i have zeus keepsake on and i take an aphro room over a zeus room will it sti...
yes
acoustic bolt
thx
warm nimbus
but you might not see zeus again, especially if this is aspho
in aspho if you take midboss that doesnt correspond to your keepsake you probably arent seeing the god you want lol
rustic vale
only time 64 heat has ever been beaten, seeded or unseeded
I mean just mod the game so every enemy has 1hp how hard can it be modded
acoustic bolt
wait why if it'll force the next one? what if i don't change it before elysium?
warm nimbus
wait why if it'll force the next one? what if i don't change it before elysium?
itll force it in elysium then
warm nimbus
I mean just mod the game so every enemy has 1hp how hard can it be modded
meant to say seeded or unseeded lmao
warm nimbus
wait why if it'll force the next one? what if i don't change it before elysium?
because you might just never see a god on gold laurels aside from midboss in aspho
its an insanely short biome
spice hare
how do i beat the boss duo
shield dude takes so long to kill
honestly every time i hit elysium i spend at least one death deft on them
acoustic bolt
they're the hardest encounter that isn't extreme measures 4 imo so i wouldn't feel too bad.
rustic vale
bro not even calling theseus by his proper name
acoustic bolt
has anybody shown you this? https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
spice hare
my build is good its just that he kept blocking the fudge out of my attack
hell, asterius get demolished easily
rustic vale
idk how to help I just kill theseus and don't think about it
spice hare
especially the god's intervention halfway thru
spice hare
bro not even calling theseus by his proper name
he dont deserve to be called
rustic vale
run em3 so he doesn't have a shield for 3/4ths of the fight
spice hare
rustic vale
run em3 so he doesn't have a shield for 3/4ths of the fight
easy
acoustic bolt
you dash behind him and hit him or hit him with things that don't care about shields. like zeus's aid
spice hare
whats em3
latent moon
my build is good its just that he kept blocking the fudge out of my attack
what's your build?
acoustic bolt
run em3 so he doesn't have a shield for 3/4ths of the fight
no instead he's just impossible to approach with melee XD
lean timber
extra money 3
rustic vale
or zeus shield or rail special
spice hare
what's your build?
fist with zeus
lean timber
makes things in the game 60% cheaper
rustic vale
no instead he's just impossible to approach with melee XD
someone doesn't know how to dash
acoustic bolt
extreme measures 3. it makes their fight harder
rustic vale
it make their fight easier wdym
latent moon
fist with zeus
with theseus you're just gonna have to be more patient tbh
wait for the spear throws, dodge that, and then go in for punches in his back
rustic vale
it make their fight easier wdym
I'm joking I've learned the value of not running em3 after I started my shackle runs
acoustic bolt
the intent is that it's harder. i don't want to confuse the issue by explaining that hte naunces of em3 make it easier in a lot of ways
spice hare
i danced with him for like 15 full mins yesterday
latent moon
after all of his attacks he starts to walk away so use that to your advantage
rustic vale
idk I just dash around him and hit him on the side with no shield
spice hare
the shield even blocked cast 
acoustic bolt
zeus fists should be able to get behind him and hit him
rustic vale
only cast shield won't block is arte cast and dio cast
acoustic bolt
you're maybe not being aggressive enough trying to get behind
latent moon
oh also, when he calls in a god for the first time right after his invulnerability phase, he's completely vulnerable for a few seconds so you can just go to town while that's happening and tank some of the god's damage
spice hare
after all of his attacks he starts to walk away so use that to your advantage
thats the only frame i can attack tbh
btw is it me or asterius gets random invi frame
rustic vale
thats the only frame i can attack tbh
I'm definitely being obnoxious here but have you ever heard of dashing around the shield
spice hare
cuz like sometimes it happens at 1/4 health but sometimes it procs at half health
latent moon
no clue what you're talking about tbh
he does go invulnerable at 50% hp but that's about it
spice hare
cant dash around the shield when hes aiming the spear
rustic vale
at 1/2 health asterius gets a invulnerable phase like every other boss
latent moon
oh wait
spice hare
he autolocks
latent moon
cuz like sometimes it happens at 1/4 health but sometimes it procs at half healt...
he goes invulnerable at like 25% in the miniboss fight, in the actual boss fight with theseus, it starts at 50%
latent moon
cant dash around the shield when hes aiming the spear
you can dash behind him when he does the spin attack, which is indicated by like a faint white circle right before it goes through
spice hare
spin attack is easy to dodge
latent moon
then that's your opportunity do deal damage
spice hare
mmm aite
rustic vale
cant dash around the shield when hes aiming the spear
I'll have to pay attention to the next time I fight him but I genuinely think I just dash around him and hit him is the best way I can explain how I fight him
spice hare
welp, time to prep up the poison zone before hades
rustic vale
also things like zeus shield special and rail special and dio cast or arte cast shouldn't pay attention to his shield
latent moon
pretty sure arty cast doesn't go through shield
spice hare
also things like zeus shield special and rail special and dio cast or arte cast ...
zeus shield ignore the block???
rustic vale
I never use arte cast because it's arte cast
latent moon
haven't used it in a while but i'm fairly certain it doesn't
latent moon
zeus shield ignore the block???
the special does
spice hare
the spinny spinny one right
latent moon
yes
rustic vale
I specifically said the special
lean timber
I never use arte cast because it's arte cast
erm wtf...
rustic vale
the bey blade one
spice hare
i mean tbh normal cast already have seeking
rustic vale
artemis cast is the only bad boon best girl can give you
latent moon
erm wtf...
arty cast isn't that great lmao
i only use it to 1) fill slots 2) pos sword because i suck at aiming
lean timber
i mean tbh normal cast already have seeking
yeah, 1 degree every second
latent moon
i mean tbh normal cast already have seeking
it's a very weak seeking, arty actually consistently hits
and it goes much faster
rustic vale
I thought that artemis cast and artemis aid didn't care about shield but maybe I'm very stupid
latent moon
have you seen APHRO cast
beeg damage but no range lol
spice hare
youre not stupid, just mistaken
spice hare
beeg damage but no range lol
worst thing is i found out when im running bow lmao
latent moon
arty cast is great for hitting your cast to activate boiling blood lol
latent moon
worst thing is i found out when im running bow lmao
oh rip
rustic vale
abyssal blood gaming 💪
spice hare
legit fart range
rustic vale
hera bow?
spice hare
hopefully i can beat the crap outta big dude so i can finally grind titan blood n stuff
rustic vale
I don't use hera bow often enough
spice hare
charon 1.2k price is insane
spice hare
coins
latent moon
the titan blood
latent moon
I don't use hera bow often enough
not me finally picking it up after a year for a first try 32 heat today lmao
and then never touching it again
rustic vale
I don't use hera bow because it feels like worse beo
latent moon
it is worse beo imo lmao
lean timber
i will destruction you
rustic vale
anyways I'll finish the shackle series when I find my switch then I'll do 32 heat shackle
latent moon
no block, small aoe, no buggy mirage
lean timber
hera is much better than beo because unlike beo it can deal damage when it's not empowered by cast
rustic vale
I need to stop putting 32 heat in the way of actually completing all aspects with shackle
latent moon
beo can also deal damage when not empowered by cast
i literally did a shackle beo run
spice hare
whats hera's bonus again?
rustic vale
cast goes in bow
spice hare
ah
latent moon
casts drop out of enemies after 5 seconds
rustic vale
less abyssal blood gaming time sad
latent moon
hera is much better than beo because unlike beo it can deal damage when it's not...
also don't tempt me into doing a castless beo run
it's just gonna be crappy zag shield lmfao
rustic vale
that'd be sad
rustic vale
+100% attack damage with charged shot and artemish flourish
latent moon
that'd be sad
just need epic aphro atk and a lot of poms
latent moon
+100% attack damage with charged shot and artemish flourish
why arty
rustic vale
idk
latent moon
if anything i'd try to get smair
rustic vale
mirage shot on castless beo
spice hare
is it better to get 3 cast or the regen one
latent moon
depends on the build
latent moon
i mean if it isn't a cast centered build then stygian is better imo because bad news is better than auto recall
spice hare
boss
rustic vale
I guess stygian isn't bad if you're using it solely for abyssal boiling blood
latent moon
but at the same time it's not exactly something to shoot for but if it does happen sure why not
latent moon
I guess stygian isn't bad if you're using it solely for ~~abyssal~~ boiling bloo...
i mean in most builds it is
the only time it's actually used is typical cast builds like pos, hera, and beo
lean timber
thanks to patroclus this run is looking epic and sexy
latent moon
or unless you're a redditor who gets trippy cast lvl 8 and spammed it
with zeus shield or something lmao
rustic vale
I thought stygian is only used on trippy flare runs and maybe for consistent boiling blood proc
am I right or wrong
latent moon
you are right
but i remember seeing on reddit the other day some dude had like 5 or so casts with heroic trippy cast and used it for their dps lmao
and to be fair
it is a lot of damage lol
warm nimbus
I thought stygian is only used on trippy flare runs and maybe for consistent boi...
outaide of cast builds infernal/stygian is personal preference
lean timber
that's right! hera should always be stygian!
acoustic bolt
man force charon sack spawn just keeps turning itself back on
acoustic bolt
just fight charon in tart
it still spawns in every shop it can after you fight
lean timber
ugh uc just made me sell epic broken resolve
latent moon
big money tho
rustic vale
it didn't make you sell it
unless you're running a mod which makes ap2 affect pools of purging
latent moon
well
lean timber
ah should i have sold epic lv. 3 crush shot then?
rustic vale
yes
latent moon
yeah lmao
rustic vale
these hammers are kind of an L but not terrible
what were they
acoustic bolt
anywya i was just saying that shackle is cool and all but since it lacks the synergies it's surprisingly not great
i've tried some shackle and always end up taking boons instead XD
acoustic bolt
i know it's just i donno academically interesting how weak +100% is
yet rd is one of the best boons in the game
latent moon
It's good for tart and maybe aspho but by Ely if you had aphro atk on hestia your poms should've pushed it over 100% by then
rustic vale
rd good because it works good on all the flat damages
however attack and special are often either flat damage from boons or % damage from boons so +100% isn't much in comparison to those damages+ their effects
and cast often wants better flat damage from a different cast boon then +100% on a 50 damage cast
lean timber
what were they
sniper chain
acoustic bolt
what sources of flat damage do casts get?
like the zeus/dio boon?
nm i misunderstood
the 50 damage cast is the no boon cast. i'm tired
XD
latent moon
and cast often wants better flat damage from a different cast boon then +100% on...
Casts have flat damage that want a big flat damage with a % on top of that
rustic vale
yeah
but shackle doesn't add to those
it only adds the sad 50 damage boonless cast
latent moon
Now you're just doing 200 damage or whatever lmao
rustic vale
it's only bugged on beo right
latent moon
Wait does base cast count as a flare
acoustic bolt
oh sorry i forgot it was supposed to be good
rustic vale
ye
latent moon
Either way shackle beo does a good amount of damage if you have mirage but at that point having flood flare from the start and constantly pomming it would give you like a base damage of 180 or so
And mirage will bring that to 360
rustic vale
anyways
will sleep now and break into persons house tomorrow to get my switch back
or later today
latent moon
Have fun
rustic vale
when they're awake
and when I say break in I mean knock on their front door
so I can win at Hades, the hit video game
acoustic bolt
i converted someone at a random craft fair friday night
some artist who had some neat fanart for sale. i asked if she played hades and showed her the art and she thought it looked amazing and decided to go home and buy the game that night XD
rustic vale
gaming
acoustic bolt
hoping to get a cool print at FanX (basically salt lake city comic-con) when i see her there now
jagged wadi
is aspect of gilgamesh too slow the reason people don't like it that much?
acoustic bolt
i wonder if at high heat taking a ton of extra damage is too dangerous
rustic vale
probably because dash has too higher of cooldown and also taking 50% more damage is huge
knowing hades devs enemy damage is probably multiplicative
latent moon
is aspect of gilgamesh too slow the reason people don't like it that much?
Hits slower, shorter dashes so less iframes, maim is a double edged sword that hurts you more than the enemy
Does allow for greater reflex so that's nice I suppose
rustic vale
ruthless
latent moon
Yeah that's what I meant
acoustic bolt
does greater reflex interact well with td
because i assume it was a td run not a gilga shackle run
acoustic bolt
i mean do you actually find that you get to hit enemies more with hte extra dashes
splash dash yeah
i'll stop saying td. far too confusing.
rustic vale
tidal dash<<<< splash dash
latent moon
i'll stop saying td. far too confusing.
Could say tdash
acoustic bolt
spdash
jagged wadi
you can get more dashes from hermes
acoustic bolt
yeah that's what we're talking about
i mean at least before the tangent teasing me for saying td to mean tidal dash
rustic vale
teasing you is fun
acoustic bolt
🙂
rustic vale
anywho
I don't think tidal dash knocks them far enough for it to have been an issu
plus I got rd so each extra dash was more damage
latent moon
It knocks them away but you just chase them with the dash and hit them again lol
acoustic bolt
i didn't really mean accuracy more frequency. do you actually find that you're getting more tidal dash hits in with greater reflex?
rustic vale
and on gilgamesh I already had rd and maim so ruthless would've been kinda pointless plus the people taking more then 1 or 2 dashes were bosses who got way less knock back
I think yes
rustic vale
and on gilgamesh I already had rd and maim so ruthless would've been kinda point...
buffed maim*
acoustic bolt
will a million dashes actually push bosses the way chiron can?
lean timber
yes
acoustic bolt
i assume there's a short window where it adds up or something. otherwise i don't know how chiron could do it
lean timber
kind of
rustic vale
bosses take knockback just way way reduced
unlike powercouple thwomp who takes 0 knockback
latent moon
bosses take knockback just way way reduced
They also take trap damage
rustic vale
otherwise seastorm wouldn't work on bosses like it doesn't work on powercouple thwomp
latent moon
But since they have so much hp you can never notice it
lean timber
They also take trap damage
leading meg/alecto onto a spike plate is always funny
acoustic bolt
i had no idea thwomp didn't take knockback
rustic vale
an hour later and the swift flourish zeus shield question is still unanswered in speedrun server
acoustic bolt
it got answered
acoustic bolt
rustic vale
yeah I saw
acoustic bolt
kinda sucks. would have been a neat interaction
rustic vale
well
swift stuff usually sucks
unless it's like swift flourish on chiron
with concentrated
acoustic bolt
it does make power shot charge faster right
rustic vale
Idk
latent moon
Swift strike arthur
rustic vale
the swifts are kinda so sad no one takes them
lean timber
swift flourish concentrated volley chiron mmm... make it a me build!
latent moon
it does make power shot charge faster right
For standing attacks only not dash strikes
lean timber
i like swifts! they're cool! not always helpful but i like the thought behind them!
acoustic bolt
For standing attacks only not dash strikes
ugh that sucks
latent moon
Dash strikes are like 33% faster than normal strikes so no point in standing shots ever
rustic vale
purple swift flourish concentrated volley chiron stacking withi themselves is the bestest interaction in the game
lean timber
me about to repeat the same stupid factoid for the 50th time that no one cares about:
acoustic bolt
purple swift flourish concentrated volley chiron stacking withi themselves is th...
wait like you can fire a second volley fast enough that it counts?
hot damn
lean timber
hey gang, did you know that on the aspect of rama, epic swift strike results in standing strikes being only two (2) frames slower than a dash strike? do with that information what you will, i am not liable for your runs burning to the ground!
latent moon
Common swift flourish on Chiron let's you put out a fourth special as long as you don't do anything else basically
Maybe 1 dash but that's about it
acoustic bolt
does anybody else's thumb hurt playing rama because you hold down the attack harder hoping it'll charge faster?
rustic vale
ngl
acoustic bolt
just me?
latent moon
Kbm gaming
lean timber
rama really do be like that sometimes
latent moon
My fingers never hurt
rustic vale
I would rather any attack hammer than piercing volley even on chiron
lean timber
My fingers never hurt
(he does not have fingers)
latent moon
I would rather any attack hammer than piercing volley even on chiron
Piercing good because shield annoying
Just git gud
rustic vale
piercing bad because less special range
acoustic bolt
Maybe 1 dash but that's about it
i thought dashing made the animation cancel so you could shoot another volley faster?
lean timber
I would rather any attack hammer than piercing volley even on chiron
wtf?? get them all in a line and shoot right thru them. it's fun. maybe not at heat tho
lean timber
he thinks
rustic vale
maybe I wrong
lean timber
we've had this argument before. piercing does not effect special range
latent moon
Piercing gives you some aoe with Chiron which imo is a good trade off
gray apex
Piercing is total ass
lean timber
hi MiKE!
gray apex
we've had this argument before. piercing does not effect special range
It does
rustic vale
I wouldn't throw a run to pick it up and check anyways
lean timber
latent moon
i thought dashing made the animation cancel so you could shoot another volley fa...
No clue
lean timber
acoustic bolt
hundreds of runs in, still don't want to throw a run for science
lean timber
must have been talking to myself again
rustic vale
someone else said that
latent moon
THEY TOLD ME IT DOESN'T
I think nyaanyaa said that there was no proof because none of us had a video to prove it
lean timber
NNYAAAAAA
latent moon
So we couldn't exactly confirm that piercing gave it shorter range
lean timber
YOU MADE ME LOOK A FOOL AGAIN!!
acoustic bolt
latent moon
Is a valid argument on her part
acoustic bolt
i have absolutely no idea if that guide is accurate
but that's where i got the dash canceling thing
lean timber
i will never forgive nyaa for this
latent moon
https://imgur.com/dxyLxeL
You can get 3 specials out with Chiron without dash canceling
The dashes makeit safer I suppose
lean timber
https://imgur.com/dxyLxeL
debatable...? i don't think taking an action between specials will in practice make them faster simply because of how the brain is wired
but maybe? maybe if you train the motion
acoustic bolt
well it ferls faster :p
latent moon
I just don't want to record lol
rustic vale
I mean I could easily just special, pick up hammer, then special
latent moon
Also you can probably test it with a mod where you can try hammers against skelly I'm fairly certain that exists
rustic vale
I mean I could easily just special, pick up hammer, then special
and that'd be video proof
and then give up the run
latent moon
I mean I could easily just special, pick up hammer, then special
Gotta do it on an enemy so that only works on c1 I think
rustic vale
just hope for c1 piercing
latent moon
Idek if the enemy spawns before or after you pick up the boon tho
rustic vale
you can special before you pick up the hammer
then pick up the hammer
special from the same place
acoustic bolt
speedrun modpack lets you guarantee a specific hammer i think
latent moon
I don't think the arrows are shorter it's the homing distance that makes it weird I think
latent moon
speedrun modpack lets you guarantee a specific hammer i think
It does
acoustic bolt
as for dash cancelling making things faster, isn't that how you play arthur?
rustic vale
hmm
acoustic bolt
i've played arthur exactly once at level 1 and hated it so i have no practice
rustic vale
I think it'd purely be able to be tested with some mod or hack that lets you have hammers against skelly then
latent moon
I've played Arthur twice at max level and at lvl 1 and i hated it lol
latent moon
I think it'd purely be able to be tested with some mod or hack that lets you hav...
Gonna have to record a run where you just compare how the special deals with enemies from when before and after you pick up the hammer and do calculation stuff
acoustic bolt
@rustic vale i just realized your profile pic is a dino with bunny ears or something and not a demogorgon dinosaur
lean timber
i recently maxed arthur. it's interesting because in fighting games i usually gravitate towards heavies in the same way that i gravitate to rama, but for some reason i don't feel a sense to play arthur... dunno why
rustic vale
it's got a top hat and bunny ears and deer antlers and a sword and a monocle ok
acoustic bolt
i just never looked at it full size. i really thought it was a demogorgon
lean timber
it's epic
latent moon
i recently maxed arthur. it's interesting because in fighting games i usually gr...
You can stop rama charge early for some damage and run away, with Arthur you can't do that
lean timber
oh shoot you right.