Business man
#h1-discussion
rustic vale
hardy spear
it is?
spare tartan
Moooooonkeyyyyy
hardy spear
i use achilles spear because i accidentally put too much titan blood into it
rustic vale
“Accidentally”
rustic vale
Achilles is only the best non-guan-yu spear
hardy spear
oh really
warm nimbus
best spear tbh
mint coral
Why is zag spear literally broken
so broken that is bad
hardy spear
also i beat the game with guan yu spear without knowing that the spin attack heals
mint coral
you dont miss out that much on the heal
hardy spear
you do when youre me
rustic vale
you aren’t missing anything by not knowing spin doesn’t heal
hardy spear
i still get damaged for at least 100 over the course of an average run due to traps
rustic vale
I’m just biased because I got really good chaos and hammers on my zag spear run
With shackle
Every so often I pick up hades spear for shackle runs but then I hit first hammer and go “ew” then go use a different aspect instead and hope for better hammers next time
spare tartan
Why cant i give zeus anymore nectar do i need to give him an ambrosia now?
hardy spear
oh yeah apparently i maxed out my bond with him today
rustic vale
Why cant i give zeus anymore nectar do i need to give him an ambrosia now?
Probably, you’ll need to meet some other condition before you can give him ambrosia though
At somepoint I’m going to have to photoshop shackle onto my pfp
spare tartan
Probably, you’ll need to meet some other condition before you can give him ambro...
Whats the condition
rustic vale
I can’t remember it
spare tartan
I wanna max him out
spare tartan
I can’t remember it
To google i go
rustic vale
It’s probably get all the other gods opinikns on him
mint coral
mentions about him from the other gods
hardy spear
why are you so desperate just relax and enjoy the game man
hardy spear
i just do whatever's fun at the moment
rustic vale
I’m experiencing a lot of accomplishment from my shackle runs
Despite most of them just being handicapped dash runs
hardy spear
whenever i see a boon that has that lil prophecy icon i have to take it
civic rose
Upgrading the weapons - is there a link or list of which is best etc ?
raw herald
This
snow skiff
Incorrect, that would companion shady
snow skiff
I have literally never dequiped battie
warm nimbus
I have literally never dequiped battie
same
literally there is no better companion in any scenario
lean timber
bouldy has legitimate use in hoarding runs
you know, getting lots of currency
gemstones and darkness
warm nimbus
bouldy has legitimate use in hoarding runs
hoarding runs are an illegitimate use of everything
lean timber
coping with the fact that meg isn't a be all end all eh?
warm nimbus
coping with the fact that meg isn't a be all end all eh?
it pretty much is
i wouldnt switch off of meg for any reason
lean timber
that's cuz u have no use for hoarding runs
warm nimbus
nobody does
lean timber
that is simply not true
they can be fun exercises and genuinely helpful for new players
signal aspen
idk about helpful for new players but they are fun
warm nimbus
doesnt bouldy only give like 20 gold
lean timber
not me just making the connection that someone with bouldy has no reason to go on a hoarding run 
but yeah 20 gold
i will not be dissuaded by my own moronity
lean timber
no only 100 actually
warm nimbus
thats what, 5 damage for hoarding slash
warm nimbus
no only 100 actually <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
5*20*1.15*1.15*1.15
lean timber
hoarding slash??? lol, lmao
signal aspen
then it gives 150 gold over the course of the whole run
that is one whole boon
pretty good
lean timber
oh plz why would i do all that math
i'm not a calc student anymore
100 raw obols
assuming you use him up by asphodel
warm nimbus
yeah but for hoarding slash you use golden touch dont you
lean timber
ok no
when i say hoarding runs i'm not saying hoarding slash
i'm talking like posideonmaxxing, chaos wealth boons. all that
lmao
warm nimbus
i'm talking like posideonmaxxing, chaos wealth boons. all that
???
that doesnt even make any sense
mint coral
wealth is the darkness + gems or the gold one
rustic vale
assuming you use him up by asphodel
You’d run golden touch or whatever the heck it’s called that gves 15% wealth at the end of each biome and then spam bouldy out in tart
rustic vale
Incorrect, that would companion shady
I bet you’ve never used companion antos if that’s your opinion
warm nimbus
I bet you’ve never used companion antos if that’s your opinion
i bet you havent used companion battie
warm nimbus
Antos is cuter so there for betterer
yeah but i bet antos cant do 4 witch meg
rustic vale
Irrelevant
lean timber
um actually it'd be pretty easy to hit four witches with bouldy if you used it during a survival room 🤓
lean timber
okay well actually that's not true because skelly can't deal damage so you're definitely mistaken 🤓
rustic vale
idk man if you put in the hidden inputs he actually drops a nuke onto the field and instaclears the room 🤓🤓🤓
lean timber
the konami code
rustic vale
the konami code
Not really
The hidden input is actually the same button you have mapped to drop your companion
rustic vale
L bumper gang
lean timber
ugh my brain would hate that
i like to "group" my buttons
attack, special, cast, and dash are all face buttons for me
rustic vale
My companion is actually mapped to alt+f4
mint coral
i dont use companion enough to have it on big button
lean timber
L bumper summon, R bumper call
brisk trail
deft canyon
The fact that Hades didn't won GOTY in 2020 is sad.
It's 1000 Ways better then TLOU2
void nova
It's 1000 Ways better then TLOU2
yes you are right , hades is better than TLOU2
patent mesa
what pact condition is TLOU
safe tinsel
Lol
patent mesa
and is TLOU1 good for any aspects over TLOU2
safe tinsel
Actually I think beowulf
void nova
what pact condition is TLOU
THE LAST OF US 2
safe tinsel
And with guan yu it's Hugh risk high reward bcnof th health decrease
mossy socket
Anyone knows how to let Dusa back?
warm nimbus
what pact condition is TLOU
wait dude wtf you were also awake at 4am
patent mesa
wait dude wtf you were also awake at 4am
absolutely no clue what you're talking about
warm nimbus
hmmmmmmm
patent mesa
also don't worry I can and do quickly adapt my sleep time so it's never an issue for me
warm nimbus
yeah same i just have to try going to bed earlier but i never want to
i hate the fact that i have to sleep
it wastes so much time
patent mesa
unironically true
warm nimbus
same
patent mesa
since idk if two specials is in time
warm nimbus
what's left to try out
shields
signal aspen
wait what are you doing to skelly
warm nimbus
killing him as fast as possible
signal aspen
just use zagbow for that
warm nimbus
were doing it by aspect
warm nimbus
also we think demeter is fastest
warm nimbus
signal aspen
thats not true skelly%
warm nimbus
its the better version of skelly%
signal aspen
smh
warm nimbus
the one where you walk through the door is stupid
signal aspen
zagcry
warm nimbus
theres so much more optimization for this version
patent mesa
exactly
signal aspen
you know what you should do
warm nimbus
like arthur requires pixel perfect percision to be best
warm nimbus
thats cheating
patent mesa
thats cheating
*speedrun modpacking
warm nimbus
cheat engine user complaining about cheating
i complain about people cheating with speedrunning modpack as well
signal aspen
warm nimbus
there is no way this is legit- i just beat 32 heat today, and it took me 40 minutes to clear. 53 heat seems completely impossible and winning in 17 minutes on 53 heat is ridiculous. Aspect of zagreus on the shield isnt a very good aspect as well, something like trippy beo or chiron kills everything instantly so im really surprised you managed to do it this fast. also, it says that the game is modded in the top right- im assuming this is cheated then, especially with previous evidence. honestly shame on you for trying to pass off your modded 53 heat clear as legitimate. i cant believe you would try using a cheat engine with the words on the screen and think that we couldnt see it. im going to downvote this post.
Edit: i just noticed the victory screen, a 6:46 clear time is impossible. nice try bucko.
signal aspen
moyai
patent mesa
good pasta I'm adding to bot
warm nimbus
also btw @patent mesa zeus shield is actually pretty fast here
patent mesa
well that makes sense
warm nimbus
yep
patent mesa
I tried for a while and the special really is chunky
warm nimbus
yeah its quite insane tbh
patent mesa
how fast about are you getting it
warm nimbus
its hard to tell
signal aspen
wait shoulnt luci be the fastest
warm nimbus
shields are really inconsistent
signal aspen
6 specials beeg damage
warm nimbus
6 specials beeg damage
theres no triple bomb
patent mesa
lucy might have a way to be fastest but it's tricky
signal aspen
oh yeah i forgor
warm nimbus
and yeah its difficult
patent mesa
for now fastest is time between fourth special exploding and having that set off first three specials
signal aspen
4 specials still beeg damage
warm nimbus
theres a big delay between the first special boom and the other three
and the first 3 still have delays between them
patent mesa
maybe it can be optimized
warm nimbus
wait what if
patent mesa
like if you can get away with only three specials
patent mesa
can ring of fire backstab?
warm nimbus
lmao
patent mesa
hush
warm nimbus
just use the pact glitch and get 100 casts
theres a glitch using the pact?
anyways were not doing glitches
warm nimbus
something about turning on ri4 and then turning it off
holy wtf that works
thats way better than my method of getting a bajillion casts
signal aspen
thats way better than my method of getting a bajillion casts
what was your method
warm nimbus
what was your method
switching between hera and fists
signal aspen
breh
deft canyon
Damn Chaos looks awesome tbh
signal aspen
chaos looks like james charles
deft canyon
Chaos is life and death
They are everything and Noone
And their voice sounds like a Mix between female and Male
Making sense since they are everything and Noone.
hardy spear
you sound like a self proclaimed middle school philosopher
ive always heard chaos' voice as male
deft canyon
And no they are not there to represent diversity stuff chaos is existing in Greek mythology i think?
warm nimbus
sounds fun tho
signal aspen
https://streamable.com/d66l1y
youre gonna get banned wtf
warm nimbus
youre gonna get banned wtf
why
signal aspen
amir wont let that slide
warm nimbus
lmao
gray apex
surprised your game is not crashing lol
warm nimbus
would it be typical for my game to crash?
hardy spear
the performance doesnt even look like it's tanking very much
warm nimbus
its not
patent mesa
oh my god that's gorgeous
warm nimbus
ikr
patent mesa
it's like hera but actually good
warm nimbus
anyways @signal aspen hera is fastest without that bug you just need achilles and eris buff with a standing strike powershot lmao
warm nimbus
it's like hera but actually good
tall holly
https://streamable.com/d66l1y
what did i just witness
warm nimbus
what did i just witness
beauty
patent mesa
hera but it probably has slight dps advantage over beowulf for once
warm nimbus
hera does better burst damage than beo anwyays
acoustic bolt
i've been using god keepsakes too
mint coral
Have you looked at the speedrun guide? It still has some basics (like pausing to not waste time choosing and things like that)
acoustic bolt
i do pause
although i'll unpause a lot and then change my mind and pauuse again
i'm not very good at staying focused? maybe i don't get strong enough fast enough because i qualify for too many duos or something
sharp lotus
thats probably it
mint coral
Thats a thing that can happen
acoustic bolt
there's a lot of ways i can be bad. i didn't know it was weird to be bad at 100 runs or something
sharp lotus
maybe you're just not using op builds ig?
mint coral
Also i think 15 mins is great anyways
acoustic bolt
i thoguht it was ok too
mint coral
Server just has a lot of high skill players that it looks "bad"
sharp lotus
I guess the difference is that on some runs I just completely concentrate on going fast
just spamming dash and going as fast as i can
acoustic bolt
i do that most of the time
sharp lotus
I got my first 15 minute run with hunting blades 😅
And then for some reason my best is an 11 minute run with nemesis sword
not even fully upgraded
i mean splash dash is also really good
acoustic bolt
your best run is 11 minutes and you're concerned about my 15?
god i thought you were like sub 7 or something. this is bs.
signal aspen
would it be typical for my game to crash?
omg i spent so long looking for this clip
signal aspen
this is what happens when you stay in the courtyard too long
warm nimbus
how long is too long
signal aspen
idk
sharp lotus
this is what happens when you stay in the courtyard too long
really lol?
sharp lotus
https://imgur.com/a/a4ibRR3
wait what lol
when he casts he has the bow in hand
lmao
acoustic bolt
bro calm down
i am calm, but instead of any sort of apology for being patronizing and rude even if it was unintentional you're just making excuses and saying i should calm down. whatever i'm done now. sorry everyone else.
warm nimbus
whether you intended to be or not, you still came across as such
patent mesa
yeah it's usually best to avoid questions phrased in the style of "why haven't you done this" unless you know the person well
eg I can say why haven't you done zag chaos zeus 50 you're trash to @warm nimbus but I wouldn't say that to anyone else
besides @snow skiff since she's just trash in general
snow skiff
@patent mesa why haven't you done zag rail 50
signal aspen
@patent mesa why havent you
patent mesa
better way to phrase those kinds of questions is "have you tried speedrunning before" or something like that
warm nimbus
eg I can say why haven't you done zag chaos zeus 50 you're trash to <@4503174777...
yeah exactly
also where sub 6:46
patent mesa
wtf so much pressure on me I can't do this anymore
snow skiff
🤨
warm nimbus
oh that one
patent mesa
next up people are gonna demand sub 6:46 zrail
warm nimbus
lmao
signal aspen
sub6 zrail
snow skiff
ugh i hate how you can just cancel out of the arthur special
warm nimbus
whos exephur
signal aspen
thats the name of the gun
patent mesa
don't ask
patent mesa
no one
snow skiff
he's not important
patent mesa
in fact he doesn't exist at all
snow skiff
arthur is fine against js right
signal aspen
yea
warm nimbus
arthur is fine against js right
yeah
acoustic bolt
thanks @warm nimbus @patent mesa you two are consistently cool af
rustic vale
Wheres my @ 
acoustic bolt
you weren't part of the above discussion my dude :p
but you are consistently cool too ❤️
signal aspen
@rustic vale
rustic vale
Now as myself I have to disagree with the opinion that I am consistently cool af
short glen
When sub 0:03? /J
elder bay
so artemis gave me the line for the hidden aspect before i had the aspects option unlocked, you think she will say it again?
mint coral
Are you sure is the waking phrase? Seven arms or smth like that
Or is just the phrase for using the bow
elder bay
oh no, i looked up a guide and it said i need "somethings troubled me a little about you...lack patience...urgency that drives you..what u after?" but ok i wait for the right one then. thanks
rustic vale
so artemis gave me the line for the hidden aspect before i had the aspects optio...
She doesn’t need to say that line again
elder bay
yes it must be about seven arms apparently, didnt get that one yet
elder bay
thank you thank you
mint coral
You cant get it till you reveal GY anyways
rustic vale
I wouldn’t recommend any gaming journals for sources to go for information
short glen
I have wr sub 0, 128 heat clear
Nice!
snow skiff
I have wr sub 0, 128 heat clear
Ap4
shy fable
me: hmm run is going great. good time. elysium will be sooo hard on 8 heat
also me: where death defiance go
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/551071251230228506/1007018305032306749/unknown.png
error on my part cuz i was doing stuff for the fated list and forgot about it 😭
mint coral
I remember someone went to 50 heat with em4 but accidentally used dds
(50 heat uses lc4 so no heals, to be specific)
shy fable
i JUST noticed it too because i was at Patroclus and he only gave me 2 options instead of 3 and I went " .. hold on "
mint coral
Lmao nice
shy fable
oh my god thank god for Past Me, i dont have EM theseus and asterius
this will be a breeze
okay good, cleared that. i usually dont have issues with Hades but ill still have to be real careful
might just equip skellys tooth
trail citrus
sooooo
I just got mirage shot at the 7th chamber. On beowulf
this run may be blesse ^_^
rustic vale
Blessed
trail citrus
Missing a key on my keyboar :/
which boon combination may I go for on this run? Except artemis legenary, of course
rustic vale
R O D
trail citrus
ty
mint coral
Rod reduces your cast pick up range
rustic vale
Rod makes no sense even with charge shot
warm nimbus
which boon combination may I go for on this run? Except artemis legenary, of cou...
just get lots of poms
go for hyper sprint and rush delivery, stones or braids from wells, or chaos casts or cast damage
thats pretty much how you get damage on beo
trail citrus
nah. I lost because I took a blessing from chaos that stops me from using my cast. Right before lernie T.T
trail citrus
go for hyper sprint and rush delivery, stones or braids from wells, or chaos cas...
will. Also, the time I got Rod, it was helpful O.o
latent moon
rod for cast based aspects aren't good because it's harder to pick up
casts have sorta like a "pick up range" and it'll come to you at a certain distance, rod basically gets rid of that
or at least shortens it by a lot
mint coral
nah. I lost because I took a blessing from chaos that stops me from using my cas...
just win the fight while at 1 hp all the time 👍
or you mean the "cant pickup casts" curse
latent moon
atk only beo
rustic vale
atk only beo
Sounds like shackle gaming to me
trail citrus
or you mean the "cant pickup casts" curse
that one
trail citrus
casts have sorta like a "pick up range" and it'll come to you at a certain dista...
I may be missing something, cause I keep going on top of the casts to pick them up XD
safe tinsel
BEAT HADES 0 DEATH DEFIANCES LFGGGGGG
trail citrus
I know they have a range, but besides asterius beyblade, I didn't notice much anout that
trail citrus
but at the same time why did you pick it
Because I was dumb and din't look at the curse. Note taken
trail citrus
Once I complete the game and star modding, I'll probably do a perfect beowulf run as my first one, just cause of this
Gotta write that down somewhere
latent moon
I may be missing something, cause I keep going on top of the casts to pick them ...
i mean the pick up range is still relatively close and getting right on top of it does pick it up faster, it's that at a certain point it'll come up to you while you're moving towards it so it's easier to pick up
you dont exactly really notice or care about it until you start playing cast based aspects and get rod and you start getting slightly annoyed
latent moon
i love seeing a +1 cast but i look at the curse and is like +70% enemies lmao
i've taken this before in one of my speedrun attempts
"oh i can kill enemies fast easy" pops DD in ely chamber
trail citrus
i mean the pick up range is still relatively close and getting right on top of i...
fair, but I usually dash on top of the stones and start charging my attack while waiting for them to be picked up O.o
mint coral
You took +enemies on a speedrun?
latent moon
that's good yeah
mint coral
latent moon
You took +enemies on a speedrun?
i saw + cast and got tunnel vision lol
rustic vale
i saw + cast and got tunnel vision lol
💪💪💪
trail citrus
brofist?
mint coral
Ah lmao
latent moon
it was when i was starting to get into it so it was still a sub 10 run i believe so wasn't exactly a terrible start
rustic vale
64 heat exclusively from jury summons speedrun
rustic vale
Does js increase wave # or enemies per wave
latent moon
yeah
patent mesa
Does js increase wave # or enemies per wave
enemies per wave, but every wave has a max number of enemies at once
so every wave is dragged into oblivion
trail citrus
guan-yu + huge spin + fast spin = beyblade build
rustic vale
Especially because of it’s special
trail citrus
Not really that much of a chance, but when u get that going XD
patent mesa
yeah gy would be good for JS64 esp since it already kinda benefits from JS3
trail citrus
I used more the charged attack than the special when playing ghuan yu. I probably would have been a lot faster with the special XD
trail citrus
I remember getting huge spin quick spin sea storm guan-yu once
U neeed huge spin when u got poseidon strike on guan-yu, no? Otherwise, just knocks enemies away
rustic vale
Guan-yu is zag spear but you don’t have to find explosive launcher
You only really need quick spin
You special enemies and spin bosses
trail citrus
fair
I went with one or two special builds. They were good, and probably faster times as well
I just don't rem,ember XD
rustic vale
My shackle guan-yu run was almost identical to my shackle zag run tbh
in terms of how I played it
Big special damage
Guan-yu special did less damage but had better wave clear
think my guan-yu specials were hitting for 500 compared to zag specials hitting 700
trail citrus
👍🏼
rustic vale
Kaboom
I’ve been hoping for the same luck when ever I pop on hades spear but then I don’t see explosive or charged first hammer so I abort the run and use a different weapon
Come to think of it I don’t know what charged skewer looks like without explosive launcher
That probably doesn’t make sense but
mint coral
Bad cuz recall
patent mesa
spear special having recall by default is like top 3 design mistakes by supergiant imo
it's unbelievably clunky and leaves special builds completely subservient to exploding
not to mention how that fact renders a bunch of hammers useless due to exploding incompatibility
snow skiff
What's top 1 design mistake
patent mesa
you
snow skiff
☹️
patent mesa
but besides that I'd say sword design overall
latent moon
SGG allowing you to put boons on zeus shield special is kinda bad design
patent mesa
relative balance between standing and dash strikes compounded by hammer specificity
latent moon
sigil description not being clear with how it works
raw herald
Elysium
rustic vale
Razor shoals not being .1 seconds instead of .2 seconds was #1 ssg mistake
raw herald
Hmm
lean timber
spear special having recall by default is like top 3 design mistakes by supergia...
big agree
always hated that
never use special ever
rustic vale
Razor shoals not being .1 seconds instead of .2 seconds was #1 ssg mistake
Curse of nausea being .35 seconds instead of .33 seconds was mistake #2
And zeus boons have internal cooldowns is #3(tied with spear special issues)
rustic vale
Sword and rail not getting a charged special hammer is issue number 4
Sword hammers as a whole is mistake ~5
And not letting me give more gifts to artemis was mistake 6
lean timber
Sword and rail not getting a charged special hammer is issue number 4
you cannot be serious 
rustic vale
Hmm
I wonder
The only serious ones were #2, #5 and #6
Oh and hera should’ve gotten dem flare
rustic vale
you cannot be serious <:VineBoom:978081807910174731>
And shackle should’ve applied to dash and call
lean timber
rustic vale
Charged special luci when
hardy spear
how does the satyr sack "rng" work
ive never gotten it on the first tunnel and most of the time i get it in the second or third
dows the difficulty of the tunnel effect the spawn chance at all?
raw herald
Nope
First tunnel is 0% chance
Second is around 54%
Chance decreases each further tunnel
I think 5 sack is around 2-3%
hardy spear
so how do the mods controlling the satyr sack spawn work
does it just always spawn in the second tunnel or something
raw herald
Yep
It also ensures that the second path only has 3 small chambers before the sack room
hardy spear
cool
warm nimbus
spear special having recall by default is like top 3 design mistakes by supergia...
yeah this and shield special as well
base shield special is so absurdly awful
none of the hammers redeem it
mental vale
charged flight should be compatible with zeus
rustic vale
Would make non-zeus special way more viable on it
90 base damage zeus shield special 
warm nimbus
charged flight should be compatible with zeus
that would be completely broken lmao
an epic aphro special on that is already 234 damage/tick lmao
spare tartan
If i give a character nectar, start a run and kill myself can i give that same character nectar right after
warm nimbus
yes
patent mesa
@spare tartan do you have the contractor upgrade that gives you gems for killing bosses?
spare tartan
I dont think so
patent mesa
I would recommend getting that as soon as you can
spare tartan
Whats the cost
patent mesa
then you can convert all your gems into keys then nectar for basically unlimited amounts of them
patent mesa
few diamonds I think, idk though
snow skiff
Oh and hera should’ve gotten dem flare
Lowkey I'd rather crystal beams than icy flare
patent mesa
I just opened my main save file, saw that I had arthur equipped, and sat there for like 10s trying to remember why
snow skiff
Skelly% so cracked
mint coral
@warm nimbus im not spoiler marking everything but arthur for me it equals safe till like 40 heat lol
Nyaanyaa has a lot of times said it can easily carry sword bounties, and tbh i agree
managing dash strikes hard, big sword gud 
warm nimbus
@ivory perch no, you just plant 3 immediately and blow them up
ivory perch
Right
mint coral
also who cares if you get hit a bit when you have dmg reduction by face tanking (and are probably using aphro )
warm nimbus
<@450317477717475329> im not spoiler marking everything but arthur for me it equ...
idk i think the bad frame data doesnt work to its advantage in the slightest
ivory perch
Doesn’t it take some skills of prediction
warm nimbus
Doesn’t it take some skills of prediction
nah not really
ivory perch
Was it quick
warm nimbus
you just kinda put them near a group of enemies
mint coral
also how to play luci: literally budget eris
ivory perch
I forgot the special speed
mint coral
but your best hammer is only 1
ivory perch
Of lucifer
warm nimbus
I forgot the special speed
(if you have triple bomb) you just quick tap special 3 times on a group of enemies
ivory perch
(if you have triple bomb) you just quick tap special 3 times on a group of enemi...
Right
warm nimbus
and then they can blow up a lot of different ways
ivory perch
So I need hammer
warm nimbus
yeah like most weapons
ivory perch
I see
warm nimbus
its still pretty decent without the hammer but not amazing
ivory perch
Thx
warm nimbus
also luci is pretty good for needing a specific hammer because the aspect can only get 9 hammers so its like a 1/3 chance of showing up
snow skiff
Eternal chamber goes crazy
mint coral
also luci is pretty good for needing a specific hammer because the aspect can on...
only nine? huh
snow skiff
Add hazard back to lucy
Make the pulses damage you
Supergiant games should hire me tbh i have great ideas like this
lean timber
also luci is pretty good for needing a specific hammer because the aspect can on...
1-((1/3)²) = 88% chance to find the hammer you want
wait wait wait we can express this much more accurately
this stupid chat always gets me on the drive home i ALWAYS get conned into pulling over and doing math
latent moon
That's what you get for being able to do probability
lean timber
actually nope each run seemed about the same, 88% chance
but statistically, logically that doesn't seem right with me
maybe i have to do combinations...?
rustic vale
It can only get 9 hammers right
lean timber
oh shoot i have to do combinations. because the pool shrinks
NOOOOOOOOO I DON'T HAVE MY GRAPHING CALCULATOR
rustic vale
Are your odds not 1/3*3/8
latent moon
That's just 1/8
rustic vale
Wait
lean timber
lmmmmmfaoooo
rustic vale
Are your odds not 1/3*3/8
That’s stupid don’t listen to me
upbeat orchid
Oh my god I just had the most fun in my entire life.
This is the best run ever I love it
rustic vale
Damn it I’ve done math like this before
I think your odds of not seeing it are 1/8 actually
latent moon
Heehoo numbers
latent moon
I've done and vaguely understood calc 3 but I can never wrap my head around statistics and probability 🙃
lean timber
so the best figure i could logically create is [(1/9)^(1/8)^(1/7)]^2 = 92%, but that seems even less likely and perhaps my mathemtatic operations aren't correct, it's been a while. either way, all my figures, however wrong they are, seem to point towards one answer (which is a good sign): if you have two hammers, your chances of getting at least one desired upgrade is around 90%
rustic vale
My brains a little fried from trying to figure out how to calculate a formula for around multiple damage rolled with advantage
lean timber
L math is epic as heck
rustic vale
Is it not that but [(1/9)^(1/8)^(1/7)]*[(1/8)^(1/7)^(1/6)]
Since you pick up a hammer
lean timber
that is correct!
latent moon
i love stats
Tbh I think it's interesting I'm just really bad at doing it lol
lean timber
which is 91%
rustic vale
And that even varies if you take concentrated beam or eternal chamber because they’re incompatable with each other
lean timber
so ALL the calculations are in agreement lol
yeah i'm not touching that lmao
good catch
rustic vale
Wdym it’d just be [(1/9)^(1/8)^(1/7)]*[(1/7)^(1/6)^(1/5)]
if you took concentrated beam or eternal chamber first hammer
upbeat orchid
What are y'all calculating?
rustic vale
Also I’m literally just taking your equation since my brain is still fried
I can’t see anything wrong with it but
lean timber
at that point you're getting too specific for me to care lol you're not wrong tho
latent moon
What are y'all calculating?
Odds of getting triple bomb on Lucifer
upbeat orchid
Oh
rustic vale
Can’t trust my own judgement of your equation rn
lean timber
I LOVE MATHEMATICS!!
upbeat orchid
I LOVE MATHEMATICS!!
I must disagree (faintly in literature student voice)
lean timber
even if it's wrong we've all reached about 90% for two hammers
silence, lit loser
go back to your book corner
latent moon
Aren't you pulled over on the side of the road because of math
upbeat orchid
Talk to me when you can finish the Harry Potter series reading word by word in one day
lean timber
yes
latent moon
Get back to driving lmfao
upbeat orchid
Then you're cool
lean timber
i cannot read
upbeat orchid
I love writing.
lean timber
upbeat orchid
i cannot read
It's alright everyone have their strengths and weaknesses. For example I failed math for 6 years in a row.
lean timber
surely not
latent moon
Absolutely based
patent mesa
It's alright everyone have their strengths and weaknesses. For example I failed ...
you're ready for high heat then
rustic vale
you're ready for high heat then
Is the reason I can’t do high heat because I passed math with 100% this year
lean timber
i keep doing high heat runs accidentally because i can't read the pacts i sign for.
latent moon
"routine inspection? Sounds funny let's max that"
upbeat orchid
I'm a newbie I can't even get through 12 heat ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
upbeat orchid
Oh
rustic vale
Doing high heat because you want to: 
Doing high heat because you’re illiterate: 💪
latent moon
Doing high heat because someone asked "40 when" so you did 50 two/three days later
rustic vale
Someone give me the easiest 40 heat pact
latent moon
Lmao you'll get there soon enough
upbeat orchid
If collage allows, I shall
patent mesa
Someone give me the easiest 40 heat pact
depends on skill
rustic vale
Someone give me the easiest 40 heat pact
And tell me how to set up my mirror
patent mesa
for 50 heat players the best 40 pacts are RI0 AP0
latent moon
Someone give me the easiest 40 heat pact
The one I did wasn't too bad, don't remember the pacts but it wasn't terrible
patent mesa
but if you're not too comfortable with high heat AP1 is good
rustic vale
depends on skill
I’ve got a highest heat of 20 rn if that’s anything to go by
upbeat orchid
What is AP1?
lean timber
Is the reason I can’t do high heat because I passed math with 100% this year <:s...
my math prof was so cool we did an extra cred assignment one quarter and everyone got a different "very helpful" (his words) reward. my reward was "1%" written on my paper despite doing everything correctly. i looked at him when he gave it to me and he smiled and said to check my grades. i pulled them up later and found that he just added a bunch of points to my lowest test scores to raise my overall grade by 1%. i passed with a 100% that quarter
latent moon
Approval process
rustic vale
only because I haven’t been pushing heat since I started and haven’t ended my shackle runs
latent moon
What is AP1?
You choose between 2 instead of 3 boons
upbeat orchid
Oh that
latent moon
Honestly not that bad
upbeat orchid
So those are short forms not some kind of code
latent moon
Yea lol
lean timber
acronym
patent mesa
yeah AP1 is usually manageable
it'll wreck the occasional run but you usually don't suffer to it
latent moon
The abbreviations are pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
Unless it blocks mirage shot beo lol
rustic vale
I’m willing to hold up my shackle runs to make a legitimate try at 40 heat
upbeat orchid
Weak is fun
latent moon
I’m willing to hold up my shackle runs to make a legitimate try at 40 heat
That's just hestia 40 lol
patent mesa
yeah if you're modded hestia is also really easy for 40
upbeat orchid
I've just discovered how much fun weak can be
patent mesa
hazard wrecks everything
lean timber
weak chill and jolted are the three best conditions in the game
latent moon
I recommend passion for 40
On hindsight that would've been much better but mirage shot Tartarus baybee
latent moon
Yea for sure
snow skiff
i mean if youre used to heat ur running ri0 ap0 so mirage is fine
rustic vale
So ap apply to hammers?
upbeat orchid
So for high heat is DPS the priority or is surviving better
signal aspen
Neither
upbeat orchid
O K
signal aspen
Don't play high heat
lean timber
modded is cheating actually
signal aspen
True
patent mesa
based
rustic vale
Facts
upbeat orchid
I don't have a PC I can't mod.
lean timber
good
patent mesa
bad
upbeat orchid
But I wanna play that Apollo mod
patent mesa
cheating is based
signal aspen
Mod your Xbox or whatever you play on
snow skiff
r!ce
upbeat orchid
Mod your Xbox or whatever you play on
Switch
lean timber
ah yes i shall jailbreak my switch
snow skiff
well the way hades mods work if you have a way to access the game files you can mod it
rustic vale
I play on the most superior console
signal aspen
Yeah somebody here has modded switch
rustic vale
Switch
latent moon
So for high heat is DPS the priority or is surviving better
I mean your core build is generally just like 2 or 3 boons and then fill God pool (don't forget underworld customs fodder) and Hermes, you can rack up a lot of hearts and poms
lean timber
switch goes hard everyone poops on it but it's great for what it does
snow skiff
i hate it because i hate nintendo
latent moon
Hades is always worth it
upbeat orchid
Yes.
signal aspen
Nah I regret playing it
lean timber
i hate it because i hate nintendo
fair
latent moon
Nah I regret playing it
Mood
upbeat orchid
I have no idea why but I shall respect this opinion?
signal aspen
Lmao
lean timber
10 fps witches circle
nah tbh witches circle does not get tooooooooooooooooo never mind it's garbo
that's why we take athena dash!!
patent mesa
Hades is always worth it
wrong
latent moon
Shield gaming
rustic vale
Ngl
upbeat orchid
Bow and deflect on the special
lean timber
erm yeah witches circle is death with bow
rustic vale
I think playing shackle beo like zag shield might actually be the play
upbeat orchid
Bye witches eat your own purple balls
warm nimbus
I think playing shackle beo like zag shield might actually be the play
uh- yeah
lean timber
☹️
signal aspen
I think playing shackle beo like zag shield might actually be the play
Nah play it like beo but wit no cast
upbeat orchid
Not needed but fun
patent mesa
wdym with no cast
lean timber
ah yeah shackle mirage beo
latent moon
Get fully loaded
patent mesa
isn't that the same as regular beo since you're using special
rustic vale
Deadly reversal athena chiron special
snow skiff
i run mirage beo with hunter's flare
latent moon
Ayo based
lean timber
ez
rustic vale
I might actually win
upbeat orchid
Eh, awkward question. What does based mean?
upbeat orchid
Because Artie is a tsundere
rustic vale
Pffft
latent moon
Eh, awkward question. What does based mean?
Kinda like a "hell yeah"
upbeat orchid
Ok
latent moon
Except generally more for opinions
upbeat orchid
Ok
latent moon
But if something goes your way it's a mild "hell yeah" in that sense I suppose
rustic vale
I have 2 minutes for heroes fight
upbeat orchid
O K
rustic vale
I think this is possible
latent moon
That's a bit tight ngl
upbeat orchid
Cheering for youᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
signal aspen
Thanks
upbeat orchid
As the Cantonese says: add oil
latent moon
Actually you have shackle you might be fine
signal aspen
Beomoment
rustic vale
30 seconds left on the clock
upbeat orchid
How was your fight against the bullheaded guy and Asterius?
latent moon
Beo moment
rustic vale
It was
signal aspen
How was your fight against the bullheaded guy and Asterius?
Theseus slander
signal aspen
Theseus is cool
upbeat orchid
He is annoying
rustic vale
Theseus is cool
Based?
upbeat orchid
He reminds me of Lockhart from Harry Potter and no one can stand the guy
signal aspen
He is the perfect punching bag
upbeat orchid
He is the perfect punching bag
He is. Yes, he is. If he doesn't have that damned shield
rustic vale
He’s the perfect punching bag even with the shield
signal aspen
rustic vale
At least when using beo
signal aspen
Look at this
upbeat orchid
I have never hated a piece of metal so much
rustic vale
Ayo
upbeat orchid
But I hate that man more than that piece of metal
rustic vale
big W
signal aspen
Btw that wasn't me playing
rustic vale
that’s a sweet beomoment
signal aspen
My heroes pb was like 6 or 7 seconds
rustic vale
9 heat though
upbeat orchid
Honestly my strategy against those two is just to get them to half hp then call Than.
lean timber
thanatos call enjoyers:
rustic vale
Why call than when you can call ANTOS
upbeat orchid
YES
rustic vale
ANTOS ANTOS ANTOS
lean timber
thanatos is better than antos
upbeat orchid
Call boyfriend.
signal aspen
Boyfriend 🥰
lean timber
but for heroes antos is awful convenient isn't it?
signal aspen
Meg is better for heroes
upbeat orchid
Yea especially when they stand together
Just dash around like an idiot to dodge everything and let Than do everything else.
If I time it wrong, well RIP
latent moon
That's why meg superior
rustic vale
Antos no take 6 years to drop
warm nimbus
My heroes pb was like 6 or 7 seconds
mines like 5 or 6 i think yeah
rustic vale
antos is cutest
snow skiff
Shady better
warm nimbus
beo instaphases are ridiculous
snow skiff
It gives you health
lean timber
thANaTOS... interesting...
snow skiff
So you can heal
signal aspen
Skelly is the best
upbeat orchid
Than is so tsundere he is adorable
rustic vale
antos on heroes is funny because theseus screams about his fallen warriors or something idk I don’t pay attention
snow skiff
Don't even know it's name
signal aspen
Literally
snow skiff
It's called companion rib
upbeat orchid
He screams 'what is DEATH doing here?!?!' actually.
lean timber
i don't think he is really is a tsundere i think he's just very serious
you could say deathly serious
signal aspen
lean timber
front facing thanatos:
lean timber
latent moon
Is sudden charge even useful on charged shpt
It's not bad really just takes a bit of time to get used to the faster charge
latent moon
Minotaur rush on charged shot 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
What does that do again lol
lean timber
power shot bull rush. does 5x damage
latent moon
Does Empowering flight affect charged shot
It's next two attacks right, so it should
But also
Special doodoo
lean timber
true!!
latent moon
I guess you can use it waiting on respawns but that's about it
rustic vale
Also I just realised
no artemis in styx noo
0% chance for mirage shot
best girl why must you do this to me
I finally have breaking wave in styx and
Everything dies
I literally don’t have the beo skills to clear styx fast enough
latent moon
Ayo
rustic vale
I got an extra cast from well
upbeat orchid
Big rats have a ton of hp to do fast without mirage
Aphro build and charm the satyrs, they 'll do the job for you.
latent moon
Why tf is that 7% lmfao
rustic vale
Uh
latent moon
Aphro build and charm the satyrs, they 'll do the job for you.
Just get beo mirage shot with rd and they're easy to kill lol
upbeat orchid
I don't have beo yet
rustic vale
Pumping breaking wave damage or rupture damage by a small amount didn’t seem as worth
upbeat orchid
Like I said, I'm newbie
latent moon
Pumping breaking wave damage or rupture damage by a small amount didn’t seem as ...
Crit rupture let's go
latent moon
Like I said, I'm newbie
Fair enough
latent moon
Did you get potted
rustic vale
I’m nust playing badly
rustic vale
Uh
I died in phase one
When I walked in with 3 dd’s I got him to almost phase 2
I just took too many unnecessary hits
rustic vale
I had tidal dash
latent moon
Chamber 5 mirage
rustic vale
And artemis just didn’t want to give me her call
latent moon
I'm calling chamber 5 mirage
rustic vale
So I could have the prerequisites for it
C5 mirage on lucifer 😳
Or shall I play beowulf again
Idk
latent moon
Lmfao based
Beo should be relatively easy tbh
Just unfortunate dad fight
You did well enough
rustic vale
Hmm
I might try for hades spear, see if first hammer is exploding or charged skewer and
if not try a different aspect
latent moon
Fair
latent moon
Rip
rustic vale
which hammers should I look for if using discount zag shield
latent moon
Cshot for all shields including zeus
rustic vale
Wait charged flight is incompatable on chaos they really didn’t want it to be good
warm nimbus
on zeus explosive return is better according to good players
latent moon
Lmfao
rustic vale
yeah
warm nimbus
but cshot is def second best
latent moon
Wait charged flight is incompatable on chaos they really didn’t want it to be go...
A couple of the special hammers aren't compatible with chaos iirc
rustic vale
cshot chamber 1 😳
latent moon
Switch to beo smh
rustic vale
🤮
Now I could pick up dionysus
Or I could do c2 erebus gate for 50 health
hih
That erebus gate had like 5 dudes in it total
free hp
It would be so funny if I rerolled athena 2 times rn and she only offered attack special and cast hahaha
unless
damn it
I was hoping to be forced into picking up a core for deadly reversal tbh
since I have arte aid
hello epic holy shield I guess
C9 225 max hp
I really just lost a dd because charons projectiles don’t disappear when the fight ends
c11 250 max hp though
What is this run
latent moon
minotaur's toughness moment
rustic vale
I was worried for a second that I wouldn’t get rd
I just rolled twicd
How hard can it be for the game to force me into an athena core so I can pick up a deadly reversal prerequisite
I mean what no I don’t want core boons this is a shackle run
turbid dagger
im quite a bit tilted now (spoiler ahead) || so i just got that mission from skelly that he wanted me to kill him permanently and i took it quite serious, i thought that it would actually be an incredible progeression moment for skelly and zagreus and so i have sold my 3 ambrosia for 3 titan blood, including the 2 titan blood i had i got 5, i used it all immediately on the zagreus aspect of the worst weapon in the game (stygius) and killed skelly, im so disappointed of myself for getting bamboozled this hard by a video game ||
latent moon
you get the titan blood back from the prophecy list thingy iirc so it's not the end of the world lol