#h1-discussion

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warm nimbus
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oh right i forgot

lean timber
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i see what you did there.........

raw herald
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yoo 3.55s c1

signal aspen
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That's wr

raw herald
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Kbm wr

warm nimbus
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my best is like 3.8x i think

lean timber
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that speed tho

mental vale
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what are the chamber numbers for bosses again

raw herald
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14 24 36

mental vale
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ok thanks

raw herald
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can be 25/37/38 if you get extensions

mental vale
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what

latent moon
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you take chaos before the shop/free room before the boss

raw herald
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Or Erebus

mental vale
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how do you go from 37 to 38

short glen
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Get a second chaos in the same situation is my guess

mental vale
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how do you. fight heroes 1 chamber after lernie

latent moon
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they're just example numbers not corresponding numbers

short glen
onyx lantern
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Hey looking for a Hades Underworld Triptych Print Set! I missed out on the drop cause I was out of town and didn't see the drop until it was too late 😦 Would be willing to pay well if anyone ordered an extra and would be willing please DM me and we can talk payment thanks so much!

stark salmon
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so ive cleared 3 x and im just wondering which aspect is most worth to upgrade to the max?

warm nimbus
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there are a lot of good aspects

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which weapons do you like to play?

rustic vale
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For sword: nemesis, for: spear, achilles or guan-yu, for shield: probably zeus or zag, for bow, any of them, for fists: demeter, for rail: eris and hestia (and maybe lucifer)

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That’s my opinion anyways

lean timber
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for bow: any of them

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so legitimately true

warm nimbus
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except chiron

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chiron is awful

rustic vale
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chiron gets so much better with more levels

warm nimbus
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yeah youre right tbh

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goes from f tier to like d tier

lean timber
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chiron is fun af

rustic vale
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and it's only awful at high heat when it has garbage room clear

warm nimbus
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its bad even at low heat imo

lean timber
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mmm chiron in styx

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i love playing zag bow

rustic vale
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I used to be chiron stan but then I played zag bow

lean timber
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so for that, actually... does marked open itself up to you immediately if you find artemis? can you jump right to t2?

warm nimbus
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no you need an arty core

signal aspen
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you could just get pp

warm nimbus
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i like aphro attack better on it tbh tho

lean timber
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as it should be

rustic vale
lean timber
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but oh well. would be cool

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yeah i didn't know if those were hard reqs or if just having capability of dealing crits opened it to you

rustic vale
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it would be neat if having nemesis sword or zag bow or cruel thrust would open marked

lean timber
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oh yah forgot about nemesis...

warm nimbus
lean timber
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beo as a starting aspect? i don't think so

rustic vale
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leveling up beo doesn't do anything important

warm nimbus
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there is guan yu in that list lol

warm nimbus
lean timber
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oh ew skill issue

warm nimbus
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yes it does??

signal aspen
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its nothing crazy but its helpful

warm nimbus
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+100% aoe and damage on the dragon rush is a lot

lean timber
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u could run beo lv. 1 and get nearly as much success as lv. 5 at low heat really

rustic vale
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they asked which ones are most worth to upgrade to max

lean timber
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it does help tremendously tho

warm nimbus
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well i think beo is better to upgrade than zag shield simply bc its beo lol

lean timber
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not me purchasing a vanity license plate that says "BEOWULF"

warm nimbus
lean timber
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yeah that's what they are over here in the us

warm nimbus
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wait they are

lean timber
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can go up to 8

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yeah

warm nimbus
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huh

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i thought they were 6 wtf

lean timber
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i've seen vanities with 8 chars but 7 is typical

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XXX-1234 is common format

warm nimbus
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apparently it varies by state

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yeah my state has 6 lmao

signal aspen
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L state

warm nimbus
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yeah it is tbh

signal aspen
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🗿

lean timber
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what's your format?

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never seen 6

warm nimbus
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abc-123

lean timber
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how odd...

warm nimbus
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yeah lmao

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vanity plates do go to 7 though

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i didnt know that

lean timber
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huh, guess they always get an extra char

rustic vale
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Hangover is cool and all but have you heard of… Razor Shoals

lean timber
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razor shoals slept on hard

warm nimbus
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do i have enough rolls for rd

rustic vale
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Nope

signal aspen
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no

warm nimbus
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lol cast in well

rustic vale
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You need atleast 21

warm nimbus
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gotta reroll 6 times

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im tempted to reroll post tart well lol

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not going to though

signal aspen
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why

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get an ix

warm nimbus
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oh

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i forgot about ix

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i literally got the 2 worst rooms in aspho and both of them were filled with the worst enemy in aspho

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are you kidding me

signal aspen
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nice

rustic vale
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Imagine hoping for a third hermes in styx

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I’m hoping for a second hermes in styx

warm nimbus
lost ermine
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hermes doesn't exist

lean timber
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you guys are taking hermes??

signal aspen
lean timber
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who's that again

signal aspen
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idk

rustic vale
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I think this is the first time I’ve ever seen a hermes tunnel in styx

lean timber
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it's such an odd sight

rustic vale
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it’s such a sad sight

warm nimbus
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thank you hermes for first showing up c35

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appreciate it

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didnt even offer hyper sprint

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sigh

light ember
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Any advice to make me hate the bow less

warm nimbus
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only dash strike with it

lean timber
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i love hermes

lean timber
light ember
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5th run with it

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Feels clunky and slow every timr

signal aspen
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thats why you dash strike

stray echo
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I don’t like bow either

rustic vale
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Use dash strike

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Don’t standing strike

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Best way to improve your bow experience

stray echo
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Noted

rustic vale
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Take twin shot or triple shot if you see them

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Sniper shot bad

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relentless and concentrated volley on chiron

light ember
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I've used all 3 revives before end of elysium... I've never even done that ever

stray echo
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Rip

rustic vale
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Sounds like it might potentially be a bad case of skissue

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Using it more will improve your ability to use it

mint coral
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what attack are you using btw?

rustic vale
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oh trye

light ember
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I guess it's okay to have one weapon in the game that just doesn't click with me

rustic vale
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I forgot that picking up Gods cores happened

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True but if we can get it to click for you then your experience will be more versatile right

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Anyways

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Answer the question

stray echo
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Maybe if you hit the enemies with the bow instead

rustic vale
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What gods are you going for when you use the bow

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And which aspect are you most often using?

light ember
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Nah don't try to help

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I'd uninstall before ever picking it up again lol

rustic vale
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👀

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That’s uh

light ember
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Absolutely sour experience

rustic vale
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I hope you’re exaggerating

light ember
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All 5 of them and I'm not

rustic vale
light ember
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I think I've never hated a weapon design more in any game ever honestly

rustic vale
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Alright man

light ember
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Is okay still love the game and enjoy the other weapons

rustic vale
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I’m wondering

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How did all the runs go?

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Like

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What happened

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What made you hate it so much

light ember
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How slow it feels to every other weapon. The abysmal rng I got. I tried aspect of zag and chiron

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Didn't try hera

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But just

latent pebble
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hera is really fun

light ember
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Honestly everything

mint coral
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did you try chiron at low lvl?

light ember
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Low lvl?

rustic vale
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Chiron kinda sucks at low level

mint coral
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low lvl of the aspect

light ember
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Level 3

lean timber
rustic vale
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Rama is the only slow bow

light ember
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They all feel slow to me

lean timber
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but oh well. i guess you don't like it. just odd i suppose

light ember
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Comparatively

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To break it down last run as an example tried Chiron. Figured it hit so much and seeing as how crit chiron failed I'd try demeter. Chill blows up at ten... every arrow procs... should work

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Got one demi up to the elysium duo

rustic vale
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Demeter kinda sucks on chiron if not epic don’t buy it

light ember
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Was fine tried to make it work

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Just kept getting poseidon

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Nothing but poseidon

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Over and over

rustic vale
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How did artemis on chiron fail?

light ember
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And attack hammers

rustic vale
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So

light ember
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I didn't get any Artemis... got my keepsake start

rustic vale
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Not to generalise but it sounds like bad rng made you dislike bow

rustic vale
warm nimbus
light ember
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But like..
I can get bad rng with other weapons

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And still clear

stray echo
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Maybe it’s because you’re used to them

rustic vale
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You’ve also only used bow like 5 times so skill issue is normal

mint coral
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do you know about the god pools?

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having the game offer half of the gods helps quite a bit on seeing the gods you want

light ember
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Yeah

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I'm no pro

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But I generally can get what I want

warm nimbus
light ember
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I said aside from my start....

warm nimbus
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oh thats what you meant

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yeah that happens sometimes

light ember
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Yup

warm nimbus
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not very often but occasionally

light ember
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Those times I still have a decent run because I can make most things work

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Bow feels the most rng dependent

warm nimbus
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probably the least out of any weapon actually

light ember
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Fists merciful end? Having trouble getting it? I mean you still have your doom procs... crazy armor shred... and yeah still an easy run with just your hammer

rustic vale
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I didn’t think this would be an issue but no second dash is killing me

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Bow is least rng dependent

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Doesn’t really need hammers

lean timber
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it is funny to think about

warm nimbus
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zag bow needs an attack boon and while it needs hammers a lot it also has the most good hammers

light ember
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Like you guys said.... guess 5 of the worst rng runs I've ever had back to back put a sour taste in my mouth

rustic vale
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if bow was rng dependent my shackle bow clears wouldn’t’ve come so fast after I started trying with them

lean timber
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yeh. i would try it again! bow genuinely is a very good weapon and very fun once you master it. i think it's worth to try again. if you're running heat, maybe turn it off momentarily

rustic vale
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if you haven’t got a clear with bow I wouldn’t run heat since it’s unnecessarily making your bow runs harder for no extra rewards

rustic vale
mint coral
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fists ri4 dusa

rustic vale
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Yeah

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Kinda 4iq

warm nimbus
rustic vale
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That extra starting hp and damage reduction from arthur looking made attractive with no dd’s and 50 starting hp

mint coral
rustic vale
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I was

warm nimbus
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oh

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why\

rustic vale
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didn’t know what to choose

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Decided to try

warm nimbus
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hestia good

rustic vale
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Idk

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I got challenged to RI4 FO2 so if I die I should probably just switch over to hestia yeah

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ngl

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I forgot arthurs special size without greater consecration

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Lets go I held than to 0 kills

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Just got meg dialogue for having RI4

rustic vale
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I died in elysium

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RI4 FO2 is not fun

lean timber
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🙂

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i believe in you shackle man

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you can stop if you like, i just thought it was a funny meme

rustic vale
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I will be going back to my regularly scheduled shackle activities for a few runs then try again

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Rn is shackle guan-yu

snow skiff
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Is it just ri4 ap2

lean timber
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no, fo2

rustic vale
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ri4 fo2

lean timber
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forced overtime

snow skiff
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Oops

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I mean fo2

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Yeah no ap2 cringe loser smh

rustic vale
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RI4 is tough enough on it’s own

lean timber
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it's hard! it's only two pacts but it's very hard, especially with shackle

snow skiff
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The mirrorless experience

rustic vale
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Charged skewer guan-yu lets go

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Wait it guan-yu special just slightly worse exploding launcher

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45 base damage instead of 50

warm nimbus
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its built in and pierces with aoe rather than exploding

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which is better

rustic vale
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Leaving tart with charged skewer and a chaos boon giving +110% special damage

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Fully charged my special does 500 damage

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Feels nice

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It’s almost as good as that one zag spear run

forest jacinth
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Every time I get real good boons, I can never find the damn satyr sack sgslam I die then.

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Strong start, weak finish type of stuff Sadge been like this for so many runs

gray apex
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Yea that’s the unmodded satyr sack experience

forest jacinth
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300 health, exclusive access just decided to appear in asphodel so I was so stacked Sadge

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and of course the satyr sack wasn't in like 3 tunnels at the end.

lean timber
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el issue de skill

versed zinc
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hello

lean timber
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helo

swift inlet
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It's been really difficult to decide on a favorite Olympian, at least in the game

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Poseidon's a chill uncle, Artemis is a dorky homie, Athena is a respectful homie who even after the 30th time choosing someone else over her in trials isn't even really upset, and Hermes is just Hermes

latent moon
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Nope I'm doing fine and I shower every day

warm nimbus
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i stopped showering 2 weeks ago and my skill has improved tenfold

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i definitely recommend not showering

patent mesa
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yes

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people argue about pc vs console for high heat and speedrunning all the time but it's irrelevant

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ultimately the top of the leaderboard in both categories is shower abstainers

swift inlet
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Simply run pc with a controller

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Get the best of both

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Also isn't it also partially dependent on aspect and all

patent mesa
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yeah

warm nimbus
swift inlet
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Like bow builds appreciating mnk aim

patent mesa
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with his skills his last shower must've been years ago

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jealous

gray apex
hardy spear
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mans is crusty

turbid dagger
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hi, so few runs ago i got the guan yu aspect of veratha and i really like it, i know that there are things like that for all the other weapons but i dont know how to get them, is it something interesting enough that i should find out on my own or is it boring to get through and i should just check how to get them in google?

gray apex
turbid dagger
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👍 ty

swift inlet
# turbid dagger 👍 ty

You can also go to the hades wiki and look at the hidden weapon aspects; it'll show you how to unlock each there

final plaza
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I’m doing an Achilles run and am in asphodel, I got trippy fog and Zeus attack, should I get static discharge or schintillating feast?

gray apex
final plaza
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Cool

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I just didn’t know which would be better

gray apex
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The rarity of the Static Discharge can matter a bit

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And other stuff you have

final plaza
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It was rare

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And only other boons I had were tidal dash and curse of vengeance

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Oh sick I just got another Zeus and got feast again

untold oriole
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hey guys sorry will there be another hades sale?

void vigil
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definitely, there are sales pretty frequently

untold oriole
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nice

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i just missed out on one tho

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like 3-4 days ago iirc

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we dont know when the next one could be tho right?

untold oriole
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?

light ember
untold oriole
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what

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from microsoft store?

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oh i just checked

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u need to have the game pass

quaint wind
rustic falcon
rustic vale
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It’s xbox game pass I believe

untold oriole
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yes

humble knot
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Pom blossom is goated

signal aspen
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its fine

humble knot
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Still better than almost all, half of the keepsakes are just for specific boons

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Only better one I can think of is spiked collar just for convenience

mint coral
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All those keepsakes for boons are better tha mom pom bouldy

rustic vale
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People who don’t run keepsakes for boons are psychopaths
Oh wait

safe tinsel
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"Shackle Best Keepsake " lol

rustic vale
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I will go into my runs and tell you the last time I ran a starting keepsake other then shackle

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I was about to say it was like +20 runs ago but I think I did a boon run recently so I can’t remember

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Wait nvrmind I’m still in my guan-yu run

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Guan-yu shackle

safe tinsel
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Guan Yu is ok but the health decrease is bruh

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Arthur has health increase

rustic vale
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Guan-yu is cool

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It’s like playing zag spear but you don’t need exploding launcher

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Got my specials hitting for like 500 a shot

humble knot
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Btw anyone know the chances of charrons money bag spawning, I’ve only taken it once but died in his fight because I had too much heat

rustic vale
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This is almost as fun as when I played seastorm guan-yu

rustic vale
signal aspen
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per run

humble knot
signal aspen
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other bags?

humble knot
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Yeah like I see the money bag in a cage but can’t get to it

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I can’t break the other bags

rustic vale
signal aspen
rustic vale
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Charon hits hard and if you don’t know his moveset you’re kind of screwed

humble knot
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His moves are simple but just do a lot of damage

humble knot
signal aspen
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yeah

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i dont even know what you mean by other bags

humble knot
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Like through the metal or the bags

signal aspen
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what other bags

humble knot
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The money is usually blocked by a pile of bags

signal aspen
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what biome you talking about

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this is what its like in tartarus

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it should be like that for the other biomes

humble knot
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Ik the lava one had the cage

signal aspen
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you can just do the same thing?

humble knot
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In the clip the bag spawned behind him like the first time I fought him

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But ever since it’s been locked

signal aspen
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try to find the bag again and then take a screenshot of it

humble knot
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Ight brb

rustic vale
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I know what you’re talking about I think

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I definitely have the mental image of charons bag in a birdcage from somewhere

humble knot
civic rose
rustic vale
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Yeah

civic rose
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But why - he gives you items

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There is so much to this game

rustic vale
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If you see a bag that says +300 obols in his shop

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You can “borrow” it

civic rose
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I love this game so much

rustic vale
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That’s what triggers the fight

civic rose
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Lmao

rustic vale
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I really just did optional 3rd tunnel styx for the hermes boon only to not get rush delivery nooooo

humble knot
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Also do the keepsake pictures/notes do anything? I think I have them unlocked for Zeus and hades

rustic vale
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I’ll just take evasion because dodge chance on guan-yu is always appreciative

signal aspen
rustic vale
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Wait

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The pictures don’t do anything

signal aspen
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who cares

humble knot
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For maxing out relationships

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Damn

civic rose
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They need to come out with hades joycons

rustic vale
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I thought you were just asking about keepsakes but that doesn’t make sense because you mentioned hades

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since that’d be way too late to be asking about if keepsakes did anything

humble knot
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Oh yeah, I was just wondering abt the little chibi gods next to keepsakes with max relationship

rustic vale
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shadow magical?

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Are you taking back stab damage or cast damage

rustic vale
deft canyon
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Seeing Meg smile was weird at first

rustic vale
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Hunter dash isn’t a mirage shot prerequisite what the heck ssg bouldy

deft canyon
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Also Hades is my Favorite visual novel and Dating sim and dungeon game lol

rustic vale
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I was about to take hunter dash on my hera shackle run but then got a bad feeling, checked the mirage shot prerequisites and proceeded to roll 2 times to grab artemis aid instead

humble knot
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I finally found a Charon money bag

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His fight is super easy

rustic vale
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Where’d you find his bag?

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tartarus, asphodel, elysium

humble knot
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Asphodel

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Turns out the cage was just empty

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And the bag at the end was just shiny

rustic vale
mint coral
rustic vale
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My hera shackle run almost just got ended by an artemis athena chamber where there were way too many shield bois who were invulenerable

latent moon
acoustic bolt
humble knot
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Anyone know how to trigger epilogue?

acoustic bolt
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10 wins get the credits. For the epilogue you need to max favor with all the gods.

humble knot
acoustic bolt
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The Olympians. I don't think you need Hermes and chaos but I could be wrong

humble knot
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Oh ok, time to grind some nectar I guess

lean timber
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boons. also not all of them

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hermes counts, chaos doesn't

humble knot
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Might not bother with it then

rustic vale
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Just got meg dialogue for beating her with RI4 on which is a little late but whatever

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That was only like 2 or 3 runs ago

acoustic bolt
humble knot
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Thing is I’ve only really been playing for prologue because some site told me I needed to reach 8 heat and it would randomly occur

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Idk why so many websites just lie abt stuff in this game, huge time waste

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Even early in runs even some sites like IGN and gamespot just make things up

rustic vale
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Gaming journals and reddit are so dumb

humble knot
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Facts, I still don’t know how to get some achievements because everywhere I go says something different

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I don’t think I’ve played a game with this much misinfo spread about simple systems

high island
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You can generally trust the wiki.

rustic vale
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The wiki is trustable

humble knot
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My only problem with wikis are they don’t go into as much depth on certain aspects of the game

rustic vale
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True but it has most of the info you want

high island
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You can ask here for anything else. A lot of the most active members are also some of the most knowledgeable Hades players.

humble knot
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That’s good

high island
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And if we see anyone give misinformation, we usually point it out.

humble knot
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On that topic does anyone know how to get skellys gift, a site told me I needed to get his companion and then do heat 5,8, and 11 but nothing happened after that

rustic vale
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I’m good at giving out misinformation

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It’s 8, 16 and 32 heat

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Not 5,8,11

humble knot
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Bruh

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Wait how do I get the 8

rustic vale
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Have you beat the game yet

humble knot
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I’m at heat lvl 12 rn

rustic vale
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Do you have heat unlocked

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have you talked to skelly or gone up to the statue and pressed buttons by it

humble knot
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Statue?

rustic vale
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you don’t have a set of 3 statues by the entrance to the runs?

humble knot
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Yeah I didn’t know there were buttons

rustic vale
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Well you walk up to the one

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And you hit whichever button you normally use to talk to people

humble knot
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Ok

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Thank you

rustic vale
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Iirc

lone kernel
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And like, customs or something harmless

shy fable
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I got 'End of torment' and 'Musician and Muse', I finished the epilogue and Achilles STILL wont let me help bouldy dialogue box too long

civic rose
deft canyon
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U can spend some fun nights or days

civic rose
rustic vale
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Days

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It’s always morning

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It’s always 7:48am

rustic vale
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I need to do meme runs where I grab anvils and fail erebus gates for those codex completetions

high island
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It's just 7:48.

rustic vale
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What

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I could’ve sworn it said am at some point

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I’m probably misremembering

high island
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You are.

patent mesa
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I bet the underworld uses military time though

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dad seems like the type to enforce it

high island
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Doesn't strike me as a military guy at all.

patent mesa
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well it's not just the military that uses it

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lots of countries do

rustic vale
#

Lucifer shackle run ended the hard way and now I’m not sure which aspect to run

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I’ve only got: Achilles, Hades, Chaos, Beowulf, Talos, Demeter, Gilgamesh, Eris and Lucifer left

lean timber
#

deb

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*dem

rustic vale
#

Wait actually

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My seed right now is epic tidal dash

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I’m gonna go put on gilga

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poseidon just gave me like the coolest line about giving me assistance during my most daring escape attempt

civic rose
#

So the cast - how good / decent could it be if worked on? I usually don't use it cause...I'm unsure how it fully works

rustic vale
#

It’s mainly used on castpects and otherwise it’s free boiling blood damage or abyssal blood damage reduction

#

Cast can get pretty broken on beowulf

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you wouldn’t normally be building for it on non-castpects though, just using it as a core for duo unlocking

#

In what way are you unsure how it works?

civic rose
#

Which God's/ Goddesses are best for Cast? Like their Boons

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Like...exactly what is Cast?

patent mesa
#

base ability that's weapon independent for the most part

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the best cast boon for when you're not making your cast all your dps is athena's

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it's big and does high damage with aoe and deflect utility

rustic vale
patent mesa
#

that's right

civic rose
#

I figured deflect would be good for cast but I was unsure of others

rustic vale
patent mesa
#

others are good too

rustic vale
#

Floodshot is generally good I think

patent mesa
#

artemis cast never misses so good for boiling blood

#

poseidon cast can destroy styx if you can't otherwise

rustic vale
#

Ares cast really really wants hunting blades

civic rose
#

Yeah first to pop up just now was Artemis

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Which I like but....I prefer others boons so I'm unsure what to choose this round so 😓

mint coral
#

Sometimes just not taking a cast to have less duos open/pom options is also good

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Base cast is good enough for boiling blood

patent mesa
mint coral
civic rose
#

I mainly want a combo that'll work on the bone snake thing in the fire zone

patent mesa
#

are you using sword

civic rose
#

This time yeah

rustic vale
civic rose
#

I have all weaps unlocked but prefer sword

patent mesa
#

artemis on sword attack is good

#

you might find more success with aphrodite attack though, the weak helps keep you alive

rustic vale
#

Which sword?

mint coral
#

I only like arte on nem tbh

rustic vale
#

Hopefully nem

civic rose
#

The starting one? There is more? O.o

mint coral
#

When did you unlock the last weapon?

rustic vale
#

You have all weapons unlocked you should be able to see aspects

mint coral
#

And i mean the rail, just in case

rustic vale
#

🔫🔫🔫

civic rose
#

Oh I meant unlocked like the keys not upgrading yet as im unsure what I want to upgrade

rustic vale
#

Gun go pew pew

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if you prefer using sword I would recommend nemesis

patent mesa
#

after you finish a run with all weapons unlocked you'll see the aspects

rustic vale
#

zag sword > nemesis

mint coral
#

Nem is good if you like sword

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If you dont like it but wanna win at sword use pos dusa

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Thats still a sword

shy fable
#

zeus shield GigaChadGIF

mint coral
#

Zeus shield fun

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Hard, but fun

shy fable
#

its the one weapon i win most often with

#

its a reliable dmg output if placed right

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plus it has some nice special combos

rustic vale
#

Zeus shield is my favourite shield

mint coral
#

I dont like zeus shield design tho

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Still better than beo

rustic vale
#

Zeus shield kinda looks ugly yeah

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I’m biased against beowulf rn because I can’t get beowulf shackle to work well

mint coral
#

Just Cshot it

civic rose
#

I got so far with the shield but I like more attack style - the bow is tricky

mint coral
#

It prob will work

warm nimbus
#

absolutely chaos. chaos is by far the best shield aspect and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. chaos has no downsides, while zeus does have a downside, and its that your special moves slower. being able to actually deal damage with your special is completely irrelevant if its slow and impossible to use, but having more specials is clearly better. what even is a "blitz disc" anyway? what a terrible name. "bonus shields" is the stuff im after. just think how much cooler it is to be able to throw 6 shields at once like captain america compared to just lazily sliding your shield along the ground. and dont even get me started on the design of the shields. the aspect of chaos' design on the shield is clearly surperior, because it is one big eye, while zeus has two small eyes. who doesnt like big eyes? not me! and also, chaos (the character) is just objectively cooler and more egg than zeus, who is neither cool nor egg. this is why the aspect of zeus on aegis, the shield of chaos, is clearly worse than the aspect of chaos on aegis, the shield of chaos. i mean, the aspect is even named after the original owner of the shield! it clearly gets bonus points for that. beowulf is even worse. its way too slow and doesnt deal any damage whatsoever. i tested the dps of beowulf vs chaos shield on skelly and determined that chaos shield was actually way faster and was clearly easier to use. and realistically, the size of beowulfs cast makes it almost impossible to use. its so small that youd never see any real use of it. chaos shield on the other hand is so versatile with its shield throwing ability that goes much farther. the special on beowulf is absolute trash in comparison, and thats something you should really consider when choosing which aspect is better. the best cast, normally (slicing shot) is somehow terrible on beo and i dont even want to try any of the other casts for fear of how bad they are. zagreus is just boring. who thought adding more damage would be more fun?

rustic vale
#

Hermes generously gave me a purple rush delivery for the low low cost of 3 rerolls

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I was ready to use 6 to get rd though

mint coral
#

Chaos shield is fun outside of its "intended" focus

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Chaos just casually talking to you is fun

swift inlet
#

Arthur backstabs are ridiculous

#

Poseidon is just a bad beowulf

mint coral
#

Considering they recently unlocked aspects i didnt mention the hidden aspects

#

But yeah that works

swift inlet
#

3.5k damage off crit backstabs

#

Mf does more in one swing than meg summon

mint coral
#

But this is for winning sword by not playing sword anywaus

civic rose
#

I just met all of Megs sisters and I prefer Meg 😂 F this

lean timber
mint coral
#

I stll find it fun tho

gray apex
swift inlet
#

I might like playing zeus shield but honestly

#

All the shields are ugly and don't feel very good to play

#

At least bow/sword/rail can be satisfying in their own ways

latent moon
rustic vale
latent moon
#

I should've done shackle beo for my 50 heat run

signal aspen
#

Shields are fun

#

Except for chaos

swift inlet
#

I dislike beo

latent moon
#

Zag chaos and Zeus shield all play the same if you don't touch the special

rustic vale
#

Zeus shield is so fun

rustic vale
swift inlet
#

need to play more zeus but it's alright

latent moon
swift inlet
#

Nemesis and Arthur are fun

raw herald
#

i like g ilgamesh

latent moon
warm nimbus
rustic vale
warm nimbus
#

i cant believe this

latent moon
#

Okay to be fair

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I can't get the hang of the Zeus special

rustic vale
latent moon
#

So it's just easier to not use it

rustic vale
patent mesa
#

based

swift inlet
latent moon
#

Okay but other big nuke

#

And more consistent

#

Clockets is good but rng hammer

warm nimbus
#

please

latent moon
#

Lmfao

#

I recognize that the special is very good

#

But I also recognize that I can't use it and the humor in it

rustic vale
#

You can play zeus like zag shield and still use special though

latent moon
#

i mean i'll still use it i just wont put a boon on it

rustic vale
#

Flourishless zeus shield moment

#

is eris considered a castpect or is rail the only weapon without one

latent moon
#

i think it is because of the global damage buff

#

pretty sure it's global actually but yeah it would make sense for it to be a "castpect"

snow skiff
#

ugh why is storm lightning a pommable

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
#

and rail isnt the only weap without a castspect, fists doesnt have one either

snow skiff
#

talos

warm nimbus
#

oh

snow skiff
#

pull buffs cast dmg lol

warm nimbus
#

talos bouldy

patent mesa
#

what's talos

warm nimbus
#

somehow a worse castspect than poseidon

snow skiff
#

curse of drowning aspect, clearly

warm nimbus
#

if talos is a castspect eris is a castspect

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a better one, at that

snow skiff
#

talos explicitly buffs cast and eris doesn't smh

patent mesa
#

well I think the point is every weapon has a way to change casts

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eris is it for gun

snow skiff
#

talos is better than eris at curse of drowning smh

rustic vale
#

Tqlos

snow skiff
#

actually is it really

patent mesa
#

yeah probably

warm nimbus
#

idk maybe?

patent mesa
#

since pull has "synergy" with cod

mint coral
#

I think achilles is better at CoD honestly

#

No pull but massive zoom

warm nimbus
#

anyway talos is absolutely not a castspect

snow skiff
#

talos has black out synergy smh

mint coral
#

True

rustic vale
#

Who did that dc64 run a while back

warm nimbus
#

@patent mesa

rustic vale
#

They should’ve fished for razor shoals

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Since it hits 15 times in 3 seconds

patent mesa
#

oh wow

rustic vale
#

Better yet razor shoals and hangover shadesmile shadesmile shadesmile

light ember
#

Found a style of bow I enjoy....

lean timber
#

sharp edge (of the beer bottle)

#

RAMA

#

HE LIKES RANA

#

RAMA

rustic vale
#

Flurry shot?

light ember
#

Doesn't come into its own until two hammers... but it removes charges shot and then makes shots bounce

lean timber
#

sigh...

#

well at least you like it

rustic vale
#

Flurry chain shot

latent moon
#

that's an interesting one

rustic vale
#

What were your other hammer options beside chain shot?

#

relentless and concentrated or something?

light ember
#

I'm not sure

#

I was just hopelessly trying it some more and came across it

#

Really like it

rustic vale
#

Gamijg

#

I wouldn’t take chain shot over most other hammers on bow

latent moon
#

i mean it doesn't necessarily sound bad unless it's on chiron

lean timber
#

it's not super special, but it is a good combo tbh

latent moon
#

it's free hits

lean timber
#

mmm i love spread fire on bow

rustic vale
#

I love spreadfire hestia

mint coral
#

Spread fire luci

rustic vale
#

Delta chamber luci

light ember
#

It was on zagspect

rustic vale
#

Zag bow is pretty good

mint coral
rustic vale
light ember
#

And yeah did demeter, aphrodite, Athena, Artemis. Girl power lol

rustic vale
#

What attack?

mint coral
#

Any of them sounds good anyways

light ember
#

Cold. Cold explodes.

rustic vale
#

Would prefer either artemis or aphro though

light ember
#

Honestly beams get so much crap so I wanted to try them and let me just say.... I found it super useful against theseus

tall holly
light ember
#

Since he always faces you kite minotaur around opposite of where you have him facing

rustic vale
#

Is the boon where 10 chill stacks cause an explosion any good on anything

light ember
#

Nails his back

#

He dies so fast

rustic vale
light ember
#

While you kill bull

mint coral
tall holly
#

what happens when you put dem cast on hera lol

rustic vale
#

Meme beams

latent moon
#

drops the crystal off at location

rustic vale
#

It’s not dem flare for some reason

#

It’s meme beams

mint coral
tall holly
#

sounds terrible

rustic vale
#

Not making it dem flare seems like a really odd decision from ssg

tall holly
#

kinda wonky

light ember
#

So no credit to dem cast even for blasting thesus' butt while you kill asterius

tall holly
#

anyway i just completed ME fists without ME

rustic vale
#

I mean I normally kill theseus then asterius

light ember
#

^is that not normal?

tall holly
#

because rng is an ass

light ember
#

I mean about no ME fists

tall holly
#

but i'm used to not getting my duos

latent moon
rustic vale
#

Rng is sad sometimes

tall holly
#

its always sad for me lol

latent moon
#

just get the duo ez

tall holly
#

but i cant

patent mesa
#

welcome to ME builds where 90% of your DPS depends on getting five boons from two gods

#

sad

tall holly
#

yep

patent mesa
#

that's why ME sucks

tall holly
#

impending + dire

mint coral
tall holly
#

i just noticed that

latent moon
#

when i "speedrun" on beo i accidentally kill theseus first lol

mint coral
#

I mean if you have the dps asterius is just gonna be next to you so focusing theseus good lol

rustic vale
tall holly
#

thats pretty much it

patent mesa
#

unironically you need six boons since without hermes dashes it's not even that high DPS

rustic vale
#

Theseus dies faster then asterius

tall holly
#

arty cast for deadly reversal?

patent mesa
#

trash duo

latent moon
rustic vale
#

Deadly reversal only a 40% damage increase on average

patent mesa
#

yeah arty is the best third god for standard ME

#

half because of DR

rustic vale
patent mesa
#

lol

#

regardless don't sleep on DR, it's a huge ME buff

warm nimbus
#

dr kinda good

#

especially because idk man as someone

patent mesa
#

with around

warm nimbus
#

10 40 heat runs

patent mesa
#

I will literally

warm nimbus
mint coral
#

Sometimes im surprised this copypasta has lived that long

warm nimbus
#

you forgot "under my belt"

patent mesa
#

angel setting her mod text to "idk man as" kills me every time I see it

warm nimbus
#

ik its hilarious

latent moon
#

it was amazing

light ember
#

So a buddy of work plays this and he says he's never made it beyond elysium... I want to record a run. What should I do. (This is to help him not to flex)

warm nimbus
#

just download obs

light ember
#

I suggested he try ME

#

No I meant what build o.o

latent moon
#

get a perfect ME run and say "ez just like that" and watch him struggle to get it properly going for 15 runs

warm nimbus
#

oh

mint coral
#

Try to teach how to deal with the enemies too

light ember
#

That's evil

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Depending on their weapon of choice

latent moon
#

"not to flex" does 50 heat run

warm nimbus
#

uhhhh yeah

light ember
#

I swear. I thought maybe if he sees me play he may learn

warm nimbus
#

eris clockets is really funny

light ember
#

It would be a zero heat run since he hasn't beat it

latent moon
#

it really depends on their weapon tho tbh

light ember
#

Or is that a bad idea o.o

mint coral
#

What does your friend play, yeah that

light ember
#

Because I can beat zero heat... really easily

#

It may be better to challenge myself?

#

He likes Coronacht and Adamant Rail

#

He doesn't have dodge confidence so he stays at range

latent moon
#

i mean if you want to take up heat, take heat that don't change the enemies

mint coral
#

Does he know about dash iframes?

light ember
#

Which I suggested aspect of Achilles because... why not

rustic vale
#

I should record a shackle run and send it to you

#

your friend wouldn’t learn crap from watching it

latent moon
#

lmfao

rustic vale
#

“So I’m just not supposed to pick up core boons?” “yes”

latent moon
rustic vale
#

for zag rail just hit spreadfire it’s that easy

mint coral
#

Even if they dont have blood those still work

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Or budget eris cuz i personally dislike 6 bullets spread fire bouldy

rustic vale
#

Spreadfire zag rail with 0 blood is literally budget eris

rustic vale
rustic vale
light ember
#

He didn't say

rustic vale
light ember
#

Do you even unlock aspects at that point

warm nimbus
#

yeah

snow skiff
#

U can start when u have all the weapons no?

rustic vale
#

Once you have all weapons yes

#

Thats when you unlock aspdcts

patent mesa
#

regular hygiene decreases hades skill

signal aspen
#

That is true

patent mesa
#

that counts

#

if you don't smell rancid two rooms over you'll never get on the leaderboard

#

not based

lean timber
#

you're odd

swift inlet
#

merciful end broke

#

Simply run heart rend 😎

light ember
#

Plays Achilles aspect... decides to not do spells because boring... first Hermes gets auto collect... welp

mint coral
light ember
#

How many times are you going to ask that

patent mesa
#

unironically <@&456908176877551658>

warm nimbus
#

@patent mesa the thing with every mistake costing you is that while you may not get a pb because of it you can still get a good time which is fine i think

#

getting a lot of very good times still means something

#

obviously a pb is better but i speedrun just so i can get fast times

#

because going fast is fun

#

and youre always going to make mistakes in every run

#

a lot of them

patent mesa
#

yeah that's true

#

but just knowing that that mistake cost you 3s or whatever is kinda demoralizing

#

whereas binary nature of high heat means mistakes can go under the rug

#

at least to me

warm nimbus
#

plus you can think about it like this: if you hadnt totally missed that beo volley and broken that random pot the rng for the rest of the run wouldnt have been the same

#

lmao

raw herald
#

My pb prob could be 5:30 in the right hands

warm nimbus
#

same

warm nimbus
#

while high heat incentivizes playing just good enough to clear

#

alternatively you can do 50 speed for the worst of both worlds

raw herald
#

60 speed

warm nimbus
#

64 speed

snow skiff
#

99 speed

#

Cp99

patent mesa
#

@warm nimbus it's gaming time

#

hm what would be best build for this

#

I think super soaker unironically

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
patent mesa
#

uh

hardy spear
#

id like to see some footage of this

patent mesa
#

I may or may not be using eternal

warm nimbus
#

wtf

#

bruh

#

wait

#

what about piercing start

patent mesa
#

k I'll record

warm nimbus
#

or does it just increase waves

rustic vale
hardy spear
#

how does rocket bomb work for lucifer

#

does it just explode on impact

rustic vale
#

It doesn’t

#

they’re incompatable

#

It’s a joke because you cannot get cluster bomb or rocket bomb on lucifer

hardy spear
#

ah

patent mesa
hardy spear
#

i did my first lucifer run today

rustic vale
#

oh yeah?

snow skiff
#

Spread fire lucy

rustic vale
#

radical

#

I tried to use shackle luci earlier but I played badly

snow skiff
#

Reset for zeus attack and only shackle the special

rustic vale
#

Yeah no

signal aspen
rustic vale
#

If you’ve seen any of the 16 shackle runs I’ve posted

rustic vale
snow skiff
#

Tidal dash run #24 lets go

rustic vale
#

Only some of the melee aspects were tidal dash

#

And the rama one just happened to pick up tidal dash

#

I have a dio dash somewhere

#

Actually

#

Speaking of splash dash

#

Going from splash dash 5->10 is the same damage increase as going splash dash level 0->1

hardy spear
#

i feel like splash dash gains so much from the first couple levels

rustic vale
#

Level one is +21

hardy spear
#

iirc the first level gives like an extra 50%

rustic vale
#

not 50%

#

it increases a flat amount

hardy spear
#

regardless of rarity?

rustic vale
#

regardless of rarity

hardy spear
#

wha

#

wild

rustic vale
#

Just like everything else

hardy spear
#

wha

rustic vale
#

rarity doesn’t change poms

hardy spear
#

my life is a lie

#

really?

#

21 wins in and i dont know how this damn fruit works

rustic vale
#

I believe

#

I’m 99% sure poms aren’t affected by rarity

#

I know for a fact tidal dash poms aren’t

#

I’ve used it enough recently

hardy spear
#

i got it like 3 times today and it was always epic

rustic vale
#

It’s always +21

hardy spear
#

thats nuts

rustic vale
#

Tidal dash is nuts

hardy spear
#

yeah

warm nimbus
hardy spear
#

especially in uhh that labyrinth place whats it called

rustic vale
#

Tartarus

hardy spear
#

last one

warm nimbus
#

styx

mint coral
#

styx

hardy spear
#

ah

mint coral
#

tidal dash + beaver so fun

hardy spear
#

beaver?

warm nimbus
#

yeah

warm nimbus
mint coral
hardy spear
#

oh ah

mint coral
#

water explosion when wall slam

hardy spear
#

yeah

#

mhm

mint coral
#

beaver cuz someone made a typo on the speedrun server iirc

hardy spear
#

beaver cthonic companion would be cool

mint coral
#

beaver (by zyru, idk if they are here)

hardy spear
#

heh

patent mesa
#

I just got the greatest JS64 clip of all time

hardy spear
#

does that affect the enemy getting slammed or just the ones around it

patent mesa
#

everyone has to se this it's god tier

warm nimbus
patent mesa
#

uploading it

latent moon
#

Is it all flame wheels

patent mesa
#

think about the lowest health enemies in tart

warm nimbus
#

numbskulls

latent moon
#

Oh joy

patent mesa
#

hm

#

low health but more fun to kill

warm nimbus
#

uhh

#

crystals?

patent mesa
#

bingo

#

god this is so good almost done

warm nimbus
#

you know what i hate

latent moon
#

Omg the lasers

patent mesa
#

numbskulls?

warm nimbus
#

is that you need hc up to kill unarmored witches with a dash strike

hardy spear
#

communists?

latent moon
#

The screen is just gonna be purple

hardy spear
#

oh

warm nimbus
#

like seriously

patent mesa
#

oh true that sucks

warm nimbus
#

you take a chaos gate

latent moon
#

Oh yeah that's a pain

warm nimbus
#

and you no longer can dash strike and kill them

#

its awful

patent mesa
#

enjoy

latent moon
#

Use the special and hope it goes where you want it to go

warm nimbus
#

one of the many reasons this game is trash

patent mesa
#

this is also why I forced eternal

latent moon
#

Based 1 minute room

warm nimbus
#

that reminds me of a clip i had where i had cshot on beo and i sat in the middle of the 8 room in tart and it was a survival room

hardy spear
warm nimbus
#

i just stood there and zag shielded everything as it spawned

#

super satisfying clip but i deleted it

latent moon
#

Not me almost dying in a survival room because I left hs on in a speedrun pact

signal aspen
rustic vale
warm nimbus
patent mesa
#

oh god I just got than

#

how many enemies is he about to spawn

warm nimbus
#

what would cp64 be like lmao

#

just every enemy is a boss

civic rose
#

Okay I finally made it to Elysum and I must say the Phoenix statues are my faves in this whole game

snow skiff
warm nimbus
#

and youre a btd player you cant talk

patent mesa
#

well it cost me two death defiances

#

but I beat than

snow skiff
warm nimbus
#

yoo

#

cracked

snow skiff
#

Why is my phone advertising

warm nimbus
signal aspen
snow skiff
warm nimbus
#

got i hate that outlook automatically does that

rustic vale
#

hehehee

#

you kept than to 0 right

#

right

snow skiff
#

They should uncap enemies tbh

signal aspen
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bruh imagine you get like an armored thug room on like c3 with eternal chamber start

rustic vale
snow skiff
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This is slander

warm nimbus
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maybe i should try btd6 again

snow skiff
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Don't

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Not worth it

warm nimbus
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idk what if it is

signal aspen
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its a childrens monkey game how bad could it be

hardy spear
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nothing has ever made my fans feel like flying off more than btd6

snow skiff
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I hate that the best strategy for poseidon sword is me

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This thing sucks

rustic vale
hardy spear
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shotgun monkey?

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i just put down monkeys and watch em go

rustic vale
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x-x-5 dartling gunner

hardy spear
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ew

rustic vale
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Idk

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I haven’t played in like 6 months

hardy spear
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me neither

rustic vale
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I remember getting told one hero could one tower chimps