gotta let him go eventually
#pyre
untold quartz
untold quartz
lordy, Sparrow ripped all of the ascension prayers from the game files a while back, and Hedwyn's are just dire
stiff tangle
The only reason I liberated Hedwyn was to keep the og trio together tbh
untold quartz
he starts out so hopeful and then his heart freaking breaks when he realizes he can't get everybody out
and he's a mess internally from that point, it's awful
just this miserable knot of guilt, all tied up between his sense of love and duty wanting to get as many friends out as possible and his desperation to be free himself
he's so sunny and calm and warm on the outside most of the time, it's really interesting and sad
found it - he starts out all ||< We have to prevail. For everyone's sake... Please, help us do this. Help us. >||
and after the reveal it devolves into ||< Please... I shouldn't have made a promise that I couldn't keep, I know that now, but please, just, please don't make me break that promise.... >||
stiff tangle
Are there really entire scripts out there somewhere?
untold quartz
and by the final ascent, if you still haven't freed him, he's just... ||< This is our last chance, isn't it... my last chance. I was so foolish, thinking we could all be saved. Now, just one of us can leave, and the rest stay. > < I just don't understand how we're supposed to stand together, knowing this. Is it really possible to be that selfless, to put the needs of everybody else, ahead of our own...? > < Look... I already know the answer, it's just... I don't know if I can go on living here, if I don't even have a chance... to be free again, I mean. >||
which I almost want to put a content warning on 😰
yes, there's a text server that has...not the entire game script, but a lot of it ripped and catalogued
stiff tangle
yes, there's a text server that has...not the entire game script, but a lot of i...
Man that sounds great
untold quartz
the psychic aspect of Reading is a really interesting mechanic, isn't it? you get a real look into the characters' heads, and you don't always find what you'd expect.
stiff tangle
Honestly the Reader in general is 👌
Just enough diversity and options for them to really feel like you without being too loud about it
And of course the tying of narrative and gameplay together
untold quartz
heroic sunshine boy Hedwyn is a roiling ball of angst inside, Pamitha's playful facade is exactly that and covers a deep well of hurt, Ti'zo is extremely erudite...
stiff tangle
Well considering how long Ti'zo has lived it would be wrong for him not to be
untold quartz
and _ae is so thoughtful and intelligent
stiff tangle
I too like talking to walls to sort my thoughts out so _ae was like my child to some extent tbh
untold quartz
Ti'zo is such a hoot, I feel like he and Yoda would get along very well. Very small dangerous geniuses who look cute and could mess you up and are very done with all these silly kids, but not at all above goofing around and trolling them.
stiff tangle
I took so long to finish this game but looking back at it it feels like I processed it too fast and I cope with that by thinking this was intentional to some extent since you can't physically see everything in one playthrough
untold quartz
Ti'zo: “HRAA-KRAAAAAHHH!!” [Certain imp expressions resist translation. Suffice it Ti'zo does not hold Lendel in high esteem.] Ti'zo: “KRII-HRAAHARAAAA!!” [It seems Ti'zo does not hold Lendel's mother in high esteem, either.]
stiff tangle
This game is so deceptively huge
untold quartz
Yeah, I played all the way through it twice and I've done a lot of reading up on the text server and looking up scenes on YouTube etc
stiff tangle
insert the gun Ti'zo meme here
untold quartz
...because I am a weirdo who does things like meticulously digging up every piece of information we have on Fikani so I can try and construct a canon-compliant characterization for her 😅
stiff tangle
I was reading an LP as I played so I have a little bit of a wider picture but aaahh there's a lot
That's not weird, that's what being passionate about stuff is
You know what I like? I didn't realise taking Sandra was a thing only when you clear all of her trials until I checked in here
It just felt so natural with how much I talked with her at every opportunity :^)
I think that was the point when I realised OH THIS IS GONNA BE A DOOZY OF AN ENDING
untold quartz
yeah - I felt so guilty when I realized it was possible that I dashed straight back into my last save to redo the ending of my first playthrough
had to A] get Sandra, B] send my Reader up (because Hedwyn was miserable about it and Hedwyn 👏 should 👏 be 👏 happy 👏, and C] prevent ||Oralech from cliffing himself|| because, ow.
stiff tangle
oh. Oh. Oh C] is also a thing
Of COURSE it is
sigh
You successfully made me even more sad about finishing somehow
untold quartz
Old
Rebel
Acting
Like
Everyone's
Challenging
Him
stiff tangle
Sure is!
untold quartz
he's a melodramatic edgelord but he certainly comes by it honestly 😭
not a fun life!
deserves better!!
stiff tangle
(but he was also pretty rude all in all,)
untold quartz
(i mean, not gonna argue with that.)
(don't break into people's homes and threaten them, kids. it's not a good look.)
we figured out back in the day that you can trigger the Oralech Skulking On A Rock scene in the middle of the Sea of Soliam and it makes it a million times funnier and harder to take seriously
untold quartz
"yes, false Nightwings, I have for some reason chosen to pose ominously on THIS WAVE-LASHED CRAG to impress you with my DANGEROUSNESS"
I mean, don't fall off, dude, the footing's got to be terrible with those hooves 🤔
stiff tangle
Omg imagine him hanging onto it by the horns
stiff tangle
'i am Threatening You'
'yeah hope this rock is treating you okay'
This is the perfect opportunity to get him his sweater
(thanks for talking with me btw I know I am years late to this game so this feels great)
untold quartz
(thank you, I've missed this fandom since it quieted down and it's great fun to shake the dust off these topics and revisit them)
stiff tangle
This fanbase sounds like it was absolutely spectacular back in the heyday
It's what Pyre deserves
untold quartz
It was a smallish but extremely active group, lots of very creative people 💕
A bunch of us are still around! Just not as active with Pyre specifically.
stiff tangle
Yeah understandably so
On one hand the attention this game got is very nice but it's also never enough haha
untold quartz
man, now I'm just digging through my Pyre image folder and finding old memes 😂
it feels wrong to put them in fan-works and there's no sh**post channel here 😭
redraws of Oralech doing the nemesis routine from Hark! A Vagrant and the like
hushed adder
I think Hedwin was my 2nd to last liberation on my first playthrough. For the last one I went with Volfred to act as the leader and give the Plan the highest chances of success, but when given the choice, I had to let Oralech go. He had been twice wronged by this system, and I just couldn't put myself before him.
When I heard Hedwin's prayer, I was so heartbroken and I just wanted to give the boy a hug.
Sorry for just butting in, my DM tonight had a scene where my character looked up at the sky, and three of our party saw stars forming constellations and reaching out to us, and I was like.... "Is this just Pyre? I wanna play Pyre again."
earnest roost
I almost always liberated Hedwyn early because he is so optimistic in the beginning and it's sad to see him lose a bit of hope after each cycle.
untold quartz
Hedwyn is such a sweetheart and he deserves the world
hushed adder
After I finished I immediately started a True Nightwing mode, and I'm gonna see what heppens when you lose every rite.
untold quartz
there are good reasons why I wrote so much about him and Fikani back in the day
hushed adder
Not by choice, mind you.
untold quartz
oh dear 😂
hushed adder
well, lose every Lib rite at least.
I will say, Losing to Dalmer was the most rewarding loss I could have imagined though.
I just can't imagine Hedwin learning the truth once he's on the other side...
stiff tangle
it feels wrong to put them in fan-works and there's no sh**post channel here 😭
Maybe repost them in the other server cause I would be delighted to see the stuff
lament rivet
heroic sunshine boy Hedwyn is a roiling ball of angst inside, Pamitha's playful ...
I imagine it as Morgan Freeman voice in his head
stiff tangle
Also I admit I did feel pretty selfish when I didn't let go of Hedwyn in the early game. I was like, but we're gonna literally eat dirt without his talents!!!
hushed adder
I felt so bad for being intimidated by Jodi at first, I had to let her go free. AND THEN I REALIZED HOW MUCH MORE GAME THERE WAS
And the bittersweetness sank in.
And when, after playing it, I watched the Documentary about the making of the game, and Greg got to the Retirement analogy, I was like, "Well, you NAILED that tone, so if that's what you were aiming for, you hit it spot on."
Because I missed her Presence (heh) in literally every Rite after that.
stiff tangle
I think I ended up having _ae, Bertrude, Volfred and Pamitha stay and I think these were the perfect choices
hushed adder
I had Volfred, Bertrude, Gilman, and Myself.
stiff tangle
Though I'm upset I missed my first chance to get Pam out against the Essence I bet it would have been much more peaceful then
lament rivet
Ive gotten to the end twice. Only managed to liberate the core three in the first. And left Volfred, Pam and Tizo on the second
stiff tangle
I still need to watch that doc been meaning to get around to it for days
hushed adder
It's good. There are some mild spoilers for Transistor's ending in the one for Pyre though
earnest roost
I had Ti'zo, Volfred, Bertrude and myself. I like that Ti'zo comes to hang out with you if you both remain in the Downside
stiff tangle
Pyre is the last SGG game I beat so it's fine
hushed adder
Fair enough, Transistor was mine, like 2 nights ago lol
lament rivet
I kind of want to play a run where the core three do not get out
But it's be big angst
earnest roost
Rukey gets pretty desperate
hushed adder
I mean I'll let you know what it's like when nobody gets out lol
stiff tangle
I want to see what it's like when you stay
It was so amazing seeing the inverted waters before you haha
hushed adder
I want to see what it's like when you stay
I want to see what it's like when you go.
lament rivet
Yeah Rukey seems to be the only one who ever explicitly asks you
hushed adder
Motivation: Self-Interest
stiff tangle
I want to see what it's like when you go.
It is VERY pretty I'll say that
lament rivet
Like Jodi mentions it's been 84 years, Hedwyn mentions ||Fulani|| and so on
But that's implying
Not asking
earnest roost
You can liberate yourself without bad consequences if you ||lose to Oralech and let him anoint you||
earnest roost
Yep
lament rivet
Yeah.
lament rivet
I haven't freed Oralech yet. I gotta.
I kinda wanna also do a run where I free Volf at the earliest opportunity
lament rivet
To like piss off the voice and see what happens
earnest roost
That's pretty hard because he becomes playable very late into the game.
timid silo
I had to replay immediately and send up both Volfred and Oralech. Can't separate them won't separate them anymore 😭
lament rivet
Liberation rite that is
hushed adder
So, if you were to play out every possible ending, how many lifetimes would that take?
lament rivet
I'm concerned about that tbh haha
hushed adder
Because now I wanna know.
stiff tangle
Going by the ending song alone you would have to play the game like 30 times right
No sixty
lament rivet
It doesn't take that much variance to make that happen in a game with zero save summing
Theres apparently thousands of iterations of the song
stiff tangle
~10 characters x 2 outcomes x 3 genders
Ah I'm doing the wrong kind of math I think yeah
Axni is right
hushed adder
10^2^3?
earnest roost
Don't forget about the other triumvirates
timid silo
Paired endings complicate that. And revolution status.
lament rivet
The genders don't change much do they?
lament rivet
Goddammit idw have Jodi and Ignatius together but I guess I gotta?
earnest roost
Yea I lost to Iggy in the first liberation rite once and they both ended up in the Commonwealth
lament rivet
It might be interesting to try and lose to the Fate and the Tempers to get Ignarius and Almer out AND Jodi and Xae with love interest line completed enough to trigger while being United in the commonwealth
Tho I find it hard to meaningfully influence the lineups for the rites after the first. The tempers almost never get to the top
weary turret
just finished pyre
hushed adder
Hey, congrats!
weary turret
my head hurt
stiff tangle
How was that song? ;)
hushed adder
Somewhere, Darren suddenly felt an urge he's never felt before... An urge.... to KILL
lament rivet
Who says he hasn't wanted to kill before?
hushed adder
I mean, look at him?
stiff tangle
The urge to kill resulted in The Unseen Ones
earnest roost
Hohoh
hushed adder
I mean, you can tell by his music, it's always so relaxing, and calming, and n- never makes you want to cry, not even a little bit. He says, sobbing
But, IDK, he just strikes me as the kind of dude you can watch just DESTROY a drumset and then just get up like nothing happened.
untold quartz
I'm telling you. He writes longing like a champ.
Great big closet romantic. Not even that closeted, really.
earnest roost
He's emotional but he can also shred
untold quartz
It's interesting what everyone's unacceptable endings turn out to be! Some people feel like it's not a happy ending if Volfred and Oralech aren't together, some are very focused on particular people being up or down, some are just desperate to keep Oralech from ||committing suicide|| or rescue Sandra
weary turret
the story is so good I wish the gameplay performed more...smoothly...which sounds crazy but i swear once u get to actually knowing how to play the moments when you feel like you should be able to do something but the game just decides no ur gonna not do that or do something completely random rly hurts my soul
untold quartz
Some are really committed to keeping Jodi and Iggy on opposite sides of the Falls come hell or high water 🙄
earnest roost
I mean sometimes metal is emotional too. Which is the best combo imo. Making something emotional and badass at the same time.
timid silo
Haha, thankfully that one's easy enough 😂
untold quartz
It's literally impossible to achieve every good thing in a single playthrough, so you always have to compromise
timid silo
And yeah I love that it's up to personal priorities. You can find your best ending but it won't be THE best ending, there's no such thing
stiff tangle
I am kind of conflicted because I would not mind replaying the game but the Rites cycle felt irritatingly repetitive to me even as it sped up
It's like. I know how this goes can I see the orb crash already
hushed adder
My biggest tech issue is crashes when selecting members for Rites, but yeah, that's one reason why I'm so glad I came here because I didn't even know there was a chance to not take Sandra, or what happened to Oralech if he's not freed.
timid silo
If you enjoy the gameplay, bump up the difficulty and it becomes a whole new thing!
stiff tangle
I DONT KNOW why it got to me like that but
untold quartz
(I actually have started poking at that fic involving liberated Jodi and Iggy, I may in fact finish it despite myself, I am going to the bad place 😑 )
timid silo
Yessssss I'm curious about that one
untold quartz
(why do I do these things)
weary turret
oh yeah i was really wishing about halfway through this game had the pokemon game option to speed up unnecessary repetitive animations
like yeah i got the orb in do i rly need to sit and wait 20 seconds to go again
stiff tangle
If you enjoy the gameplay, bump up the difficulty and it becomes a whole new thi...
It was a little frustrating even on normal man... I really have trouble keeping track of the whole field, I almost lost to the Dissidents, for the Scribes' sake
I enjoyed watching the orb go tbh
I also didn't salute like AT ALL
weary turret
xd
earnest roost
The Essence liberation rite was the hardest imo
stiff tangle
Why isn't that option shown on the ui 
weary turret
saluting?
I played on heightened and with titan starts or whatever they're called and the dissidents were so obnoxious
they just sit in the top right corner and basically just spam aura casts that are bluffs at your uncontrolled dudes
by bluffs i mean they dont even reach
stiff tangle
I didn't really get the hang of switching until the very end so 2/3 of my team were easy pickings lolll
weary turret
but i swapped to save them like 75% of the time even though 99% of the time the cast wouldnt reach
also I was dissapointed I wanted to have the tempers win in a final rite but if you beat them on the first final rite they can never be in another
feelsbadman
by the end I anointed ti'zo, vagabond, hedwyn, volfred and jodariel
and intentionally threw to have almer and barker ashpaws go through
timid silo
Threw for Barker? :0
hushed adder
Oh, question. The other Triumverates, do they have Readers as well? I feel like I missed some stuff somewhere because I played this game though many a late night lol
weary turret
idk I read his bio and he seemed like he didnt do anything wrong
he just pissed on a statue
hushed adder
To be fair, I think we're exiled for reading a book, sooo...
Volfred DOES have a point when he says it's not exactly a flawless society lol.
weary turret
idk a lot of the peeps on our side are less innocent than the adversaries
like jodariel might have spared harpy orphans but she was still a revered captain at the bloodborder
hushed adder
There's probably a message there, and something something the voice being right, but I'm a READER, I was elected to Lead, not to... wait.
weary turret
like wow gj jo u spared those kids maybe u could have idk, not killed their parents
hushed adder
TBF, I liberated her before I knew much about the Bloodborder or any of that lol
To be more fair, i STILL know very little about that.
weary turret
after realizing i would be picking and choosing chars to save i immediately did 24 hours of extensive biography research
timid silo
It's a war that has been going on for centuries, the issue is systemic, it goes well beyond the choices available to the little people (...in a manner of speaking, for Jodi) for whom the options may have been conscription or hunger...
hushed adder
Ah, I want in totally blind.
weary turret
okay its systematic but its still a choice to pick who gets saved and there are better options
like the tempers guy was literally just a bouncer for a club
reee
hushed adder
Is every soldier a War Criminal?
weary turret
hushed adder
Even if your choices are starvation or service?
weary turret
idk morals are hard
hushed adder
You're right there lol
weary turret
at the end of the day though i know there are people in the pool of choices who definitely are not war criminals
like ti'zo pure innocent soul
too good for this world
hushed adder
Would absolutely commit atrocities if given the chance.
untold quartz
I get the impression that Readers are unusual and having one gives the Nightwings an advantage
weary turret
isnt the idea that the nightwings are always in the final rite? maybe the reader has to do with that
stiff tangle
As if Nightwings aren't Advantage The Team
untold quartz
Yeah, they're set up that way 🤣
stiff tangle
I think every team has a Reader???
untold quartz
The built-in heels for everyone else to strive against
weary turret
i mean even outside of it as a game mechanic
untold quartz
Either way, the Reader's powers allow them to observe the entire field of play and guide the players, helping the three act as one
weary turret
i thought i remember reading flavor text saying the nightwings are the group all other triumvirates are compared to
untold quartz
but they don't actually participate in the rite, they don't handle the orb or leap into the pyre
so it doesn't "count"
as far as liberation is concerned
timid silo
Honestly I think every team needs at least one person who knows how to read the stars or they simply can't make it to their rites. But they may be taking part in the rites directly and not acting as a coordinator.
hushed adder
Yeah, I saw something like that too, but I don't know if I ever understood why, or how people got chosen for the Nightwings, because it seemed to me like it was whoever was available lol.
untold quartz
Yeah, isn't Manley the "reader" for his team? Or am I misremembering?
hushed adder
He is a Reader.
stiff tangle
That's exactly what I was thinking Pineapple I just forgot how to put it
timid silo
I don't think it's mentioned? But I'm certainly no Manley expert
weary turret
the character that is currently being controlled has a symbol above their head which i kinda figured symbolizes a reader being in control
if a reader wasnt involved the opponents wouldnt only move 1 at a time
stiff tangle
Also current Nightwings kind of are whoever, they just needed to take the chance to get out of here I think?
untold quartz
The three must act as one! It Builds Character!!
timid silo
Also current Nightwings kind of *are* whoever, they just needed to take the chan...
As opposed to the current mostly everyone else who got there by having been whoever for centuries until their values degraded; occasionally, through straight-up corruption and bribery! 🥳
untold quartz
Volfred's plan kinda hinges on turning the structure of the Rites to his own ends, using the Nightwings mechanic to send his selected rebels up top
okay, I really really need to sleep
This has been lovely, let's do it again soon 😁
timid silo
Go to sleep we'll still be nerds tomorrow!
hushed adder
^
stiff tangle
As opposed to the current mostly everyone else who got there by having been whoe...
Gotta set up ~protagonists~ :p
untold quartz
Volfred was the Reader for Erisa/Oralech/Brighton
hushed adder
Yeah, and he was going to act as a Reader when he first rejoins the team, but I just don't remember any other Triumvirates talking about their Reader.
hushed adder
And was he? I thought he joined after Brighton left?
untold quartz
ah yeah, there is that
my bad, it's been a while
for the OG Nightwings, let's say
hushed adder
I mean, there was only the one rite after that when Oralech fell, right?
timid silo
Gotta set up ~protagonists~ :p
Hey, when you've got a whole Theme going about systems degrading over time, sometimes plot elements just fall in place!
untold quartz
he's such a snob when he first shows up, haha. "yes yes, very good job getting my people this far, off you go now"
bless Hedwyn for not putting up with it
weary turret
it would be kinda wild if all the triumvirate leaders are readers
timid silo
Look the man was BITTEN BY TI'ZO when they first met, first impressions are not his thing
hushed adder
I was like, Okay, SEE YA! Guess I'll find another team and make some ACTUAL FRIENDS who CARE!
timid silo
A tree of many talents, but not that one
untold quartz
surprise, Hedwyn cares!!
weary turret
like the demon dude who is was just a bouncer for a club secretly reads in his spare time
untold quartz
Hedwyn cares so much, about everything. 😭
hushed adder
I knew from the moment he refused to leave you.
"You are thirsty, he gives you water, you ache he tends to your wounds."
untold quartz
Hedwyn is shaped like a friend and he makes nourishing food out of the remnants of the wilderness and reminds his friends to practice self-care and wears his heart on his sleeve.
timid silo
Like Oralech before him 😭 he's the man for the job, our Hedwyn
untold quartz
The world needs more male characters like Hedwyn.
hushed adder
5 minutes in, and I'm like, "I will give my life and soul for this boy."
untold quartz
No wonder Fikani took one look at him and fell in love.
stiff tangle
Not to mention he is pretty
hushed adder
If anything happens to this Deserter, I will cry on EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM and then Myself.
untold quartz
I am dropping one last chunk of my own fic in here because I am shameless and I can, and then I'm really going to bed.
`Fikani swallows, and licks her lips.
“You ought to be more careful with your life,” she mutters, tongue gone dry.
He gazes up at her as if he’s drinking her in; his eyes are warm and amber-brown, and crinkle pleasantly at the corners now that they aren’t wide with fear. His hair is tousled and bright, almost the true red of a Harp’s feathers. She didn’t know that nomads could be so bright. Fikani shivers. What’s happening to her?
“It was worth it,” the outrider breathes, and reaches up fearlessly to touch the curve of her cheek with one curled knuckle; and just like that, ever so gently, Fikani’s world caves in.`
stiff tangle
THIS IS INSANELY GOOD
untold quartz
that dialogue is canon, by the way
untold quartz
😳
untold quartz
I can guess the scene 😁
stiff tangle
Yeah me too
untold quartz
I may have been subconsciously channeling that a bit, now that you mention it
hushed adder
I mean, it's basically EXACTLY what he would do.
stiff tangle
Rrrreaderrrs! Dare you tamperrrr with forbidden worrrrds?
untold quartz
ahahahaha proxybot won't let me type the name of Mononoke's protagonist
Ash1taka 😜
he does have a lot in common with Hedwyn, doesn't he?
untold quartz
I'll have to dump a link to Surrendering in fanworks sometime, I guess
timid silo
No direct image uploading, and profanity filter
hushed adder
Yeah, I tried using the gif finder, but I guess the image result had profanity filter trigger.
untold quartz
It has a lot of breathless stuff like that, whirlwind romances are fun and I have the excuse that it's canon
(and a lot of sad stuff because uhhhhhhhhh Hedwyn's backstory but who's counting)
hushed adder
You also have the excuse that they're cute as heck.
stiff tangle
this is semi-related but I admit I want Pyre x Chrono Trigger pretty badly
timid silo
I don't have much Hedwyn but I tried a &Volfred, &Oralech, &Tariq triptych and I really need more Hedwyn&Volfred about leadership...
Hedwyn had gone through a comprehensive character re-evaluation, culminating in the confirmation of a deep-seated suspicion that power is little but a long and stressful chain of faking it until you make it. Hedwyn was a soldier; orders came from above. He had come to value Volfred’s vision. That idea of freedom, that struggle for knowledge was worth fighting for, and so Hedwyn would pull his weight, for however much a deserter’s actions were worth. But there remained a barrier: as the rare honest leader who knew what he was doing, Volfred did not need the attentiveness Hedwyn bestowed upon his peers and the people under his care. They both remained autonomous and were all the more efficient for it, or so he’d thought. But then, if the Nightwings' guide were to lapse, who would notice?
There was also, and that went without saying, the matter of keeping a safe distance from all the judging. Grapevine had it (Pamitha, via Rukey, and Scribes only knew where he’d found out about it) that the grand revolutionary spirit used to be a teacher in the Commonwealth in decades past and, as the saying goes, the birch did not change its stripes. The only way to make it out unscathed from that piercing gaze was to keep one’s shield up, leaving less impressions overall to minimize the odds of leaving bad impressions, which would be forever marked in burning shame.
Pyre x CT? How so?
stiff tangle
well to be honest I am not entirely sure myself but i.e. Glenn in the Pyrehearts sounds like a fun idea
timid silo
(also more Hedwyn&Tariq doing chores)
Pickling queels was a thankless job, but someone had to do it, so Hedwyn was grateful for Tariq’s help during that never-ending chore, and for his company as well. To be elbows deep in queels entrails side by side with the ethereal minstrel felt like a strange breach in reality, like the kitchen sink was too mundane for him and would be filled with stars at any moment now, but it was easy to get along with the fellow, as long as one didn’t stop to think about the sheer implausibility of it. As if he, Hedwyn, were a simple shape drawn on the ground which turned out to have two, maybe three sides in common with a wholly alien construct, whose unfathomable angles reached into planes unknown.
stiff tangle
Also I personally think Hedwyn and Chrono have similar personalities but that's just me working with the silent protagonist archetype lol
untold quartz
I mean, there used to be a whole genre of memes about Tariq glitching reality
stiff tangle
(yes that would mean Marle is Fikani probably)
untold quartz
do not discount the possibility of filling the sink with stars
timid silo
Absolutely. What's even the point of having an eldritch bard along if he doesn't glitch now and then
untold quartz
this is a man who is only nominally corporeal, the rules are a bit fuzzy
okay I really really need to sleep, I've been up like an hour longer than I intended
but I'll try and remember to post fic links tomorrow
if people still want them 😅
goodnight! 💕
hushed adder
BE CLEANSED IN THE PURIFYING FLAME!
/Goodnight
Okay, so looking it up, it looks like there's nothing stopping Readers from being one of the Triumverates, it's just that your character is "physically incapable of participating the Rites due to being heavily crippled before the story even begins"
So yeah, the other Readers could be competing.
As Brighton did.
Looking through the Wiki, and got to the page for the Accusers. The first time you fight them, it's Lendel, and Vispa and Darben, a female and male nomad respectively. Later on it's Lendel and Vispaleth and Darbenfor, a female and male demon respectively. Do we know how long that process takes?
earnest roost
||Volfred was a reader too||
hushed adder
Yeah, I was mostly wondering about the others and why only the Nightwings seemed to have a Dedicated Reader, and all other Triumverates were just 3 people.
earnest roost
The demon process takes around 10 years, more or less depending on how much hope one loses the more they stay in the Downside. The process might be accelerated in Lendel's team because Lendel is probably always complaining about the rites being unfair and him being robbed of his chance at liberation by the Nightwings. The ending implies that Lendel was pestering his teammates so much that they left him to his devices at some point.
timid silo
Not only do we not know how long the process takes, but I have to wonder about Gol Golathanian's status after a while
Yeah I'd also demonify quickly if I had to listen to Lendel all the time
hushed adder
He also refused to believe the Cycle was over. and kept looking for another sign, which is super sad.
timid silo
Oralech goes from Hedwyn-tier demonification, or just a bit further (it's stated canon that Oralech had horn stubs growing, and it's Twitter canon that Hedwyn's got the same going on under that headband) to four whole horns in five-six years
hushed adder
But also, maybe don't frame people for crimes they didn't commit you Scumbag
timid silo
of course, if it's a function of hope or even focus (I'm thinking something like going hollow in Dark Souls 1?), Oralech doesn't have an easy time there
hushed adder
I was just re-reading through his bio, and remembered why I had to let him go. I had won every lib rite up until that point, and the chance of success was high, and I was hoping that upon seeing the peaceful march, he'd remember why he was exiled in the first place. and MAN was that a vindication.
earnest roost
Yeah it's good to see that he actually comes to help in the revolution if you liberate him.
hushed adder
To have seen him there, having his freedom stolen from him twice, I couldn't let him stay.
timid silo
YES
hushed adder
I HAD to make sure I beat him though
hushed adder
I was like, I will let you go free, but only because you already earned it. I made sure to beat him to send a message. That it wasn't about us. It wasn't for self gain. If you want to go back, fine. But do not forget why you left, and how you returned.
I mean, I think had I not played Bastion 10 years ago, I might have made a different choice lol
timid silo
the fact that he's the only one who can (and often does) die throughout the span of this nonviolent game makes him feel so fragile to me. Hanging by a thread.
hushed adder
I didn't know that until tonight lol.
timid silo
Me neither when I played! Then I talked to other people and went like HE WHAT
hushed adder
I just love how SGG can make you feel as much for your ADVERSARIES as your allies.
earnest roost
I may be wrong because I haven't played in a long time but ||other characters might also die if the revolution becomes violent. Tamitha for example. But since most people get a good outcome they will not see it.||
timid silo
By dawn, the leaders of the Commonwealth had been eliminated, and Tamitha was flying back toward the mountains. Some of her sisters claimed that she was smiling, then.
Nope? Not her at least 🤔
hushed adder
Also, ||Dalbert Dies if Almer goes home.||
earnest roost
Or I think that happened only when you uhh liberate like 1 member of the Nightwings or none at all
In that case the revolution goes really bad
hushed adder
This is gonna be a bad ending for my True Nightwing run, huh?
timid silo
Also, ||Dalbert Dies if Almer goes home.||
Just checked, he does die either way, you're right. But like... ||at peace, of old age, either way. Not suicidal.||
earnest roost
I mean the plan is achieved nevertheless but Volfred is not happy about the bloodshed.
hushed adder
Yeah, Just happens sooner if Fate wins, which is odd, but makes sense I suppose?
I mean, makes more sense the more I think about it lol
timid silo
Or I think that happened only when you uhh liberate like 1 member of the Nightwi...
That was from the worst outcome! She's better off in that one than in the middle one, where
||She herself sustained many grievous wounds, but ignored them all, and fought with a terrible fury.
By dawn, the leaders of the Commonwealth had been eliminated, and Tamitha was limping back toward the mountains. She would never fly, again.||
but still lives 🤔
hushed adder
But yeah, I was mostly referring to like during the events of gameplay, but yeah, I just got the letter in my TN run, and was like, oh dip
Can they still fly after being clipped? like I know they can a bit in the game, but like, is that something restored to them?
I have so many questions, and just want to live in the world of Pyre for a while.
Except not really, because I like reading.
lament rivet
Wait. I scrolled past this but someone said that if you beat the tempers in your first rite they never go to the top again. Even if you intentionally seek them out and lose to them to bump them up?
earnest roost
Oh okay then I probably mixed things up, my bad.
Need to play again and get the worst outcome for the plan
But some rites were so easy even on TN with all titan stars on lol so I had to force myself to play as bad as I could
hushed adder
I am... not that good at the game.
earnest roost
I wasn't either but I got better after starting a new playthrough on heightened mode. Then the third one was True Nightwing but I still won the majority of the rites
hushed adder
Yeah, I went right from normal to TN, and that was a mistake lol
I mean, still fun
And I'm excited to see the ending
But I am not that skilled yet lol
earnest roost
But if you really wanna be hardcore you turn on all titan stars in TN mode for each rite. The first cycle in particular will be harsh. You might win only 1-2
hushed adder
hahaha I only won 1-2 with only the min titan stars active
earnest roost
No worries, you'll get the hang of it
hushed adder
Not if I keep playing Hades instead 😛
earnest roost
Haha, ikr. Did like 3 escape attempts last night
Still got a lot of achievements to collect
hushed adder
I'm down to the last 2... Skelly Prizes
Anyway, That's a discussion for another channel, I need to finish this run, then get some sleep lol
timid silo
Go do that! Sleep first, wizard sportsball later
hushed adder
Okay, but hear me out... Pyre Quiddich.
I want to see Draco Malfoy blasted to oblivion then get dunked on.
I have clearly reached the silly stage of tiredness and will be heading out now, Until the Stars Align, my fair Readers.
trail talon
spent time this morning reading the conversation that happenned while i was asleep. i discovered pyre after the fandom died down, so it's great to meet other people who still play and discuss it! (:
timid silo
I joined like one month after Hades' early access launch 😔 talk about bad timing...
trail talon
lol i joined after the full release. hades is great, but i've become somewhat less invested in it since getting to the credits. i want more bastion/transistor/pyre discourse!
earnest roost
All the games are awesome and I hope that now that Hades gets more exposure people will check out their earlier games too
hushed adder
I was in college when Transistor and Pyre came out and missed them completely. I found out about Hades a few months back and as soon as I saw a stream, all of my memories of Bastion came flooding back and I went and bought the whole collection.
And then went and bought it AGAIN on Switch
spiral zealot
A true fan lol
stiff tangle
I think my dad was interested in Bastion when it came out (I was like ten)
But he didn't finish it and I thought I couldn't play Bastion and Transistor until this year
When I realised I in fact could
timid silo
I saw Pyre's announcement trailer and somehow that pinged me as not relevant to my interests despite the sumptuous graphics/ost... and it took Kam and Ven going NO ACTUALLY IT IS RELEVANT TO YOUR INTEREST to lead this particular horse to water and make it drink, and here I am
earnest roost
I started with Transistor one year before Pyre came out and I loved it so much that I also bought Pyre. After that I went to Bastion because I wanted the full collection.
hushed adder
I had only played Bastion on a borrowed copy, and it meant so much to me back in the day. Once I got through my first clear of Hades, I played through Pyre, then Transistor earlier this week.
stiff tangle
I had only played Bastion on a borrowed copy, and it meant so much to me back in...
Yay team late bloomers
spiral zealot
My dad got bastion and I played it when i was around 7 or 8, then I played transitor when it came out free on Epic, then hades on steam, then pyre in the itch bundle after i was a devout fan. And by god was I missing a lot with pyre
earnest roost
Still remember shedding a tear while Bound Together was playing.
hushed adder
Yeaaaah
stiff tangle
Top 1 video game endings
hushed adder
When I got to that ending, I was like... the Madman actually did it, Darren actually wrote a reactionary song that takes into account player agency.
untold quartz
Y'all making me feel old here 🤣
I'mma go Jodariel in the corner and remember playing Bastion when it came out, when I was in uhhh
/checks notes
grad school
sleek star
It has been 5 months in this server and I gotta say, me getting the golden role was the best thing I've did in terms of games
stiff tangle
5 months??? LOL thought it was way more
sleek star
Me too
stiff tangle
But yeah
earnest roost
My old laptop couldn't run many video games so I had to wait until I got a new one to finally buy Transistor.
sleek star
I swear I was playing 
in mid october and seeing this game where 3 people and a dog looking at the stars in the steam shop
stiff tangle
My old laptop couldn't run many video games so I had to wait until I got a new o...
Relatable, my old hunk can handle trna but it crashes a lot
untold quartz
Pyre grabbed me by the face when the trailer came out
hushed adder
Oh, man I remember the Laptop I used to Play Bastion on in class... it was a Gateway, if that helps put it into Context.
untold quartz
I was already super excited when the trailer for Transistor came out, and then it was so good
spiral zealot
I remeber playong bastion for a bit and being like, ehhhh, then i went back like a month later and I was like oooo
untold quartz
and then when they dropped the trailer for Pyre, with the music and the graphics
sleek star
Pyre gotta be my best game for art style, sooo fluid
untold quartz
and the shot of Jodariel, and I went oooohhh who's that
stiff tangle
I vaguely remember reading a few praiseworthy reviews of trna and thinking okay that's it I am not looking at any more things until I see it for myself whenever that happens
spiral zealot
sooo fluid
stiff tangle
And it didn't happen until LAST YEAR
sleek star
and ya gotta take that from a guy who's his gateway to SGG was from
stiff tangle
also honestly I agree even though I am heavily biased towards trna, Pyre has a fascinating style
hushed adder
Hey, I didnt beat Transistor until Monday, so you're good Zelda
stiff tangle
Hey, I didnt beat Transistor until Monday, so you're good Zelda
Yeah I know!!! I just always get emotional when I remember how excited I was SIX YEARS AGO
untold quartz
Every SGG has a distinctive twist on the Jen style
earnest roost
I love how all of them are so similar yet so different
untold quartz
Western/steampunk, art deco/cyberpunk, psychedelia/70s metal/fantasy, and now Greek art
earnest roost
Transistor gave me major Klimt vibes lol
untold quartz
But with a recognizable core of signature style
sleek star
the Utopian/dystopian cyberpunk from transistor was legit the reason that I have the guy from cyberpunk "gooseified" as my pfp
it's an oversimplification of events
stiff tangle
Transistor gave me major Klimt vibes lol
I thought that was confirmed as a source of inspiration somewhere?
(not like it's not obvious tbh)
earnest roost
Yea I read about it actually but I recognized it as soon as I got the game
sleek star
Red's dress literally looks like that
earnest roost
Yea she looks like Adele Bloch Bauer
untold quartz
I'm loving this convo but we've been kinda into general SGG for a while now, shall we hop over?
earnest roost
Heh right, guess we all got carried away
trail talon
i'd never heard of pyre before getting it in a supergiant bundle (where all three games and their soundtracks were on sale). i had doubts about it, but it turned out to be my favourite game, possibly of all time
hushed adder
Having played Hades, Pyre, and Transistor in such close proximity, and so recently, I cant quite separate them in my mind yet. But they're all up there for me.
stiff tangle
Hades is my GOAT tbh but I hold Pyre and Transistor closer to my heart
Like... I know TECHNICALLY Hades is more enjoyable but it didn't punch me emotionally like these two
trail talon
Like... I know TECHNICALLY Hades is more enjoyable but it didn't punch me emotio...
i'm glad i'm not the only one! I really enjoyed hades when i started playing it, and i still do, but after the credits it gets a little repetitive
sleek star
Hades is my GOAT tbh but I hold Pyre and Transistor closer to my heart
hearing NOXALAS at the end of every ***Rrrrrr***ite is just instant serotonin
trail talon
and more about getting x amounts of nectar to progress things
trail talon
hearing NOXALAS at the end of every ***`Rrrrrr`***ite is just instant serotonin
and shouting it along with your team
stiff tangle
YES exactly
I jump into Hades every once in a while but after the main story was done it just started having the same issues every roguelike does.
Can't blame anyone for that but mannn
untold quartz
Jodi's tiny smile when they win a Rite tho
trail talon
hades is the first supergiant game that i've come to play casually
sleek star
Jodi's tiny smile when they win a Rite tho
makes my day, since she rarely does that
untold quartz
Hedwyn's grin is great too but we see it more
stiff tangle
And of course, the message didn't resonate with me as well, I didn't feel enough closure between Zagreus and Hades to be satisfied
sleek star
^
untold quartz
(Just FYI)
trail talon
tizo hugging the reader is one of the high points of gaming
stiff tangle
(well I didn't say anything concrete, just my opinion right? This convo doesn't belong in the channel anyway)
Also it honestly took me like half the game to realise that there is an actual word for Nightwings in Pyre's language and it's consistently spoken
stiff tangle
And I didn't realize it came from Nox until I came here I thought it was roxalas for some reason
🤦
spiral zealot
lol
hushed adder
I wanna get my hands on Greg's primer that he gave to the VAs
sleek star
I've partaken in convos that is about Pyre and languages in general
hushed adder
The dude created a whole language, and then didnt use most of it.
untold quartz
Sparrow did a fan compendium of the con lang back in the day
stiff tangle
I did recognise some recurring words as I played but when I checked the document I realised I missed a lot cause I didn't pay attention
untold quartz
(other Sparrow, sorry)
hushed adder
No I didnt.😂
spiral zealot
alright, lets break in gently enter illegally and stealborrow the entire language
untold quartz
One of the most active fans in the early Pyre fandom was an extremely talented individual called Sparrow
hushed adder
Nahnahnah, SGG has had to deal with that before, I'll wait for a primer bound like the Book of Rites.
spiral zealot
Wait, what?
untold quartz
They're still a mod here, actually
hushed adder
They had a break in last year, it's in the Hades Noclip Documentary
untold quartz
Yeah, a lot of Darren's instruments were stolen, it was really sad
Stuff he used to record the music for past games
hushed adder
Yeah, when I saw the images of the office, i was just heartbroken. I'm glad nobody was hurt, but yeah. I can't imagine that feeling...
untold quartz
He had them displayed on the wall and the burglars just cleaned them out
Yeah, I mean, things can be replaced, people can't, but it is sad
hushed adder
But yeah, when I saw Sparrow was a mod/active member, I made sure to put the Blue in my nickname to hopefully avoid confusion.
sleek star
Blue when you're golden, neato
hushed adder
Dont want anyone thinking I'm trying to pass myself off as a Mod or anything
spiral zealot
They had a break in last year, it's in the Hades Noclip Documentary
Wait, did they take the transistor!
hushed adder
I don't remember if they mentioned it.
spiral zealot
I so hope they didnt
hushed adder
They talk about it in Developing Hell Part 5, around 14 minutes in
But yeah, a Book of Rites would be a DOPE collector's item
trail talon
an art book and i language book! i don't normally go for extras, but i'd buy that
and Sheet Music
hushed adder
I'm imagining the sigil in the front holds a copy of the game
hushed adder
I just realized something... Is the Reader wearing a Cloak of the Beyonders at the beginning?
spiral zealot
It might just be the cloak that the commonwealth gives you after it takes everything else
hushed adder
Possibly, but I'm pretty sure it is the same symbol as the Beyonder's Sigil. I guess since they're a "Fake" Triumverate, they just got the default exile crest?
Either way, more reason for Reader and Sandra to be together.
spiral zealot
^^
It seems to be a ymbol of the rites themselves, as that is the same icon the stars align themselves in whe nthe rites start
Or about it
hushed adder
Nah, the Rites symbol is an open 5 pointed star
spiral zealot
This symbol seems to point down, while the rites stars point up, potetnially symbolizing being cast down by the commonwealth and being raised up by the rites
hushed adder
The beyonders/ Reader is a closed star with a fork at the bottom
spiral zealot
It could also provide deep symbolism of the commonwealth forcing a de-enlgihtment of knowledge and directly casting people down with the fork straight in the middle pointing down. Meanwhile the rite's symbols is a open star poiting up, accepting anyone and everyone while elightening them in a less direct yet more meaningful way
hushed adder
Yeah, I definitely saw the symbol of the Rites being one of a cycle being broken, and uplifting. There's definitely a reason when it's being drawn it starts at the bottom and ends pointing up. And yeah, I can definitely see it being a symbol of Exile in general, of being Cast out of the Enlightenment of the Golden Star, and with the three forks representing the Triumverate, and the possibility for Salvation, but they're travelling in different directions, so you know it's a journey of gathering together.
I JUST LOVE SYMBOLOGY OKAY
hushed adder
Oh, no... The biggest decision in the Game is here already...
"...It's about my mustache."
spiral zealot
You keep it 🔫
hushed adder
OBVIOUSLY
But I had no idea if you say you don't like it he actually gets rid of it?
spiral zealot
The moustache is the biggest symbolysim,
keep = you are a good human
shave = you should stop playing this ga,e
he does
its cursed
I could DM you a picture if you would like to see
hushed adder
But also, I love how this game is just so good at building the world and characters, that after my first playthrough, while I knew I made decisions that impacted the story, I didn't realize HOW MANY I made.
And just how naturally the narrative supported all of them.
Like, I'm imagining the flowchart for all the possible endings to this game, and it's just...
Like obviously the song can't go into that much detail, or Darren would still be writing it, but the work that went into this project is STAGGERING
spiral zealot
Thats whats good about SGG world building: Its a complete world thats built up, then parts are taken away to mess with us and give us a sense of intrigue, at least thats how it feels. Someone definitly wrote lore for how Jomuer got all that dung, but then took it out because it makes it funnier. Theres definitly a doc somewhere with all the religions of the commonwealth and why all the months are named that and in-depth backstories for everythign and everyone, even how the beyonder crystal, i would put money on it. But, someone decided, nah, removing it adds intrigue. Which means that everything fits together and theres no shoddy excuses, but we also dont know everythign adding a large amount of intrigue. Or at least the writing is so good that it feels that way
timid silo
And someone wrote in the dialogue that there's something in the Book about the Heralds and then kind of forgot to write anything in the Book about the Heralds 😂 (it is very possible it's intentional, a riddle rather than an oversight, but tbqh it looks like the latter)
spiral zealot
lol, maybe your copy just doesnt have the heradls in it and it was a limited time edition
gotta ask sandra for the collectors edition
timid silo
Then Tariq should stop flaunting his limited edition 😂
hushed adder
Yeah, how many copies of the Books are out there?
timid silo
Like 40?
hushed adder
Also, Tariq feels like the kind of immortal who would forget WHICH book had the information, but knows that he read it somewhere, and could have sworn it was the Book of Rites...
Not inspired by me looking for my notes on a D&D character I can't find
sturdy swallow
"The Liberation Rite takes place upon the Fall of Soliam, under a blooded moon, witnessed by the heralds from the stars."
thats all we know i believe
timid silo
(if I had a dollar for every time a canon explicitly said "there'll be more about your fave later" and then there wasn't anything, I'd have two dollars, but it's weird that it happened twice)
spiral zealot
Tariq conviently spilled a little bottle of yslach blood on every book every time he saw one accidentally so Volfred would stop prying into his past
Also
...
Any
Yslach
Fans
??
Praise Yslach
Am i right
lime mural
I ran Yslach from the moment Titan Stars unlocked to riiight before the final liberation rite.
spiral zealot
- About to be absolutly demolished by everyone in the sevrer *
lime mural
Only lost one. 👍
timid silo
I like to think Volfred just asks, in their talks together (among the chores list, they both have conversing action that's just for each other. Chatty boys!). Imagine being a historian and finding yourself spending months with an immortal who thinks you're the bee's knees.
hushed adder
I put on the Yslach Titan Star in TN mode when Bertrude asked, and failed miserably.
"What have I done..." No Bertie, this was not on you, I JUST SUCK AT THIS GAME!
spiral zealot
I like to think Volfred just asks, in their talks together (among the chores lis...
Volfred: So, hows it going???
Tariq: No .. I dont know how many generations ago from Ti'zo Ha'ub is
Volfred: By the scribes you are useless. I MUST KNOW!
hushed adder
"What's the point in being functionally immortal if you don't take every opportunity to record history!?"
"Why do you think I'm here? Your questions are small in comparison to the vastness of the Rites."
Volfred has like charts and family trees, and detailed notes describing exact detail, whereas Tariq is just, "And then The titans fell, and the new age began."
blissful trench
"and then some stuff happened idk it was a long time ago"
hushed adder
Volfred: "But what HAPPENED, what did they DO!?"
Tariq: "Banded together and fought with each other, I don't know..."
Volfred: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU WERE THERE!"
timid silo
Consider: he still remembers all the Nightwings' themes he composed for every single one of them. May mix up who came along when, but he remembers their music
hushed adder
Oh absolutely
spiral zealot
Volfred: Heya buddy hows it going?
Tariq: No, I dont
Volfred: I havent asked yet
Tariq: According to all previous circumstances and the fact you have asked me every question ever by now, no, I do not know how many bracnhes arizech had, or if the seed was spciy
hushed adder
I'm also really glad Volfred and I have the same idea of freedom. In my first playthrough, I wondered if he just responded with whatever you said to try and gain your trust, and was actually a little more suspicious of him when he said the same thing I was thinking. I was like, Oh no, is this gonna be a thing where he's manipulating us all for his own ends? So in my TN playthrough I stayed silent to see what his beliefs were without any input from me, and was just like, "Okay, turns out we just have almost identical morals, and I was suspicious because he reminded me too much of myself."
timid silo
awwwwwwww I also got the one he wanted me to say at first and was surprised to be, well, schooled when I tried to choose other options on replay...
hushed adder
Like he posed that question to me, and I had to sit and think for a good 5 minutes
Because I always knew I valued freedom, but never actually stopped to think about what that meant
And like, to just have someone come out and ask it.
And then to be validated like that
It was like, no wait, this is too good to be true.
trail talon
- tariq would just smile and say something vague, profound, and totally useless for anyone looking for concrete information
- yeah, the question of what IS freedom is a really good one, and i totally gave it a lot of thought. like, what do I, sitting on my bed playing a game, think freedom is?
spiral zealot
The beauty of sgg, it makes you think
untold quartz
I too thought along the same lines as Volfred and was startled
spiral zealot
Who else thinks that sandra when she had eyes had the palest of blue eyes that gazed into your soul
trail talon
deep brown. like, deep brown
lament rivet
Deep brown. They're the prettiest eye colour so she has them.
untold quartz
Deep brown with golden-amber notes when the light strikes it.
untold quartz
Does anyone still want me to toss some of those old Pyre memes into the unofficial Discord?
also holy crap I'm poking through my images folder and I had forgotten that there's a potential running joke about Bertrude snapping at Hedwyn to stop flirting with her
he's so bewildered 😂
timid silo
Hedwyn just has a face that makes people overproject, apparently, first Bertrude then Oralech 😂
stiff tangle
Can't stop thinking about Brighton being like 'why are we here? Just to suffer? Every Rite I get exiles'
untold quartz
Hedwyn just has a face that makes people overproject, apparently, first Bertrude...
oh lordy, Oralech being like so THIS is the new boyfriend, traded me in for a younger model I see, you disgust me
and Volfred and Hedwyn are just, 😰
timid silo
It was fun to go back to that in fic 😂 Hedwyn going to Tariq like "he's wrong right? He's so wrong PLEASE tell me he's wrong"
...but now I'm picturing Volfred's reaction, right. And he can't even say it's baseless conjectures because Hedwyn is SO a younger model, he picked him nice and principled and even got one with the same star sign, it's just the boyfriend aspect that doesn't track. But that's not the easiest thing to explain when your selection bias has been pointed out like that.
(please picture, if you will, a strongly worded messenger imp being sent toward the general direction the True Nightwings' blackwagon disappeared in)
untold quartz
A younger Oralech, young enough to be bossed around (or so he assumed) instead of reopening the wounds of that eager meeting of minds as equals. His spirit not yet broken by the cruelties of the Downside, his idealism unbowed, his heart safely signed away to another. Bright, charismatic, kind.
Perfect for the Plan, indeed. 🤔
timid silo
Yes!! Witnessed war and turned his back on it
(or so he assumed)
"I don't know what I expected" - Volfred in Wakingwood probably. Dude you specifically selected for leadership and a certain kind of stubbornness 😂
untold quartz
Just because he's warm and kind doesn't mean he's a pushover, you daft old tree
trail talon
when i first encountered the ||true nightwings|| i sent tizo out without realizing the implications, and the resulting conversation was....an emotional roller-coaster
and then if you send tizo out again during the ||final rite||....it's emotions^10
timid silo
Yes 😭 his scene with Ti'zo is heartbreaking and his scene with Hedwyn is... technically also heartbreaking but mostly hilarious. u jelly, buddy?
I'll have to check Ti'zo at the end 😮 I'm only familiar with Volfred's added dialogue there, which is, predictably, the quintessential "OUCH"
trail talon
i really wish i could experience pyre for the first time again. it's not the same if you know what's about to happen
i remember how small i felt when playing it for the first time, (in an awesome way)
midnight hawk
first time i played pyre i had ti'zo and volfred in my team for the final rite and it was painful
timid silo
driveby daft old tree callout, I just remembered he grades the Nightwings' usefulness to the Plan and it's
5 - Hedwyn
6 - Jodi
4 - Rukey
3 - Mae
2 - Ti'zo
4 - Gilman
4 - Pamitha
8 - Volfred
5 - Bertrude
which. where do I even start.
midnight hawk
i Love that he just had a whole list of this. imagine being pam and finding out you're only a 4
untold quartz
"I, of course, am an 8." /sage nod
timid silo
You know that edited screencap of them talking that's like "I'm a 12 but go on my girl"? That. but canon.
untold quartz
It just puts me in of Draco's monologue about Hermione from the Very Potter fan musical
timid silo
I'm not familiar with it!
(bunch of snakes hissing at Jodi for no discernible reason one morning)
I also feels that this gives me an insight into how he graded his students and he probably had a Reputation back then
untold quartz
You know who I think is the ugliest girl in school? That Hermione Granger! You know what I would give her on a scale of 1 to 10? 1 would be the ugliest and 10, pretty... I would give her an 8... 8.5... or a 9... Not--not over a 9.8, because there is always room for improvement. Not everyone is perfect, like me. That's why I'm holding out for a 10. Because I'm worth it!
^^ That, but with Oralech
(not really, he's very fond of Oralech)
timid silo
7.8 - Oralech
untold quartz
There is always room for improvement.
timid silo
- could've dodged that one time,
untold quartz
Man, all the euphemisms in this script for him and Oralech though 🙄
timid silo
He himself with all his self-esteem is an 8...
timid silo
OH YEAH SPEAKING OF. I forgot that he goes full mope and literally laments that "Now that Oralech is no longer fond of me"... SIR
sir that's a broken heart speaking. Please.
untold quartz
His "one-time companion"!
They "seldom traveled separately" if they both stay down and manage to patch things up
grave cave
Reader: Are you homophobic?
Volfred: I'm gay...
Reader: He's dodging the question...
seldom 👏 traveled 👏 separately 👏
Where's an eyebrow-waggling emoji when you need one
sturdy swallow
untold quartz
That'll do, yes
TFW your ex-boyfriend is so pissed off at you, the world, and everything that he grew two sets of horns out of sheer rage
timid silo
And put some fancy fabric on one of them just in case people weren't paying enough attention
untold quartz
it's so sweet and sad that if you yeet Oralech up top at the end and leave Volfred down, he ends up dealing with regret about Volfred not being there to see their Plan coming to fruition
Angry Boi --> Lonely Boi
timid silo
THEIR plan. Like the Plan's tooltip changes at the very end 😭 Their plan all along
Volfred alone never dreamt that big
untold quartz
Always has been. 😭
Volfred is organized and driven but Oralech has passion
Also if you let him read your thoughts at the final liberation and he actually takes a minute to go oh my god he really did care all along and I pushed him away
and that's part of why he lets you go up instead
I'm just
timid silo
YES THAT'S WHAT I DID. Probably also winked at Volfred hoping he'd appreciate the wingman act. anyway,
untold quartz
I'm just over here having a sad about this extremely angry doctor and his life partner James Bond the extremely self-important tree
Don't mind me
timid silo
Does this make him the bond girl
untold quartz
He'd be one of the dark Bond girls who hates the world
Burned by his past, he rediscovers love~
timid silo
but with a secret idealistic edge
untold quartz
....sorry, I'm just imagining the look on their faces if they saw any of this
Oralech would be furious 🤣
timid silo
-4 - Reader
untold quartz
Part of the resurgence of literacy in the Union involves a flowering of cheap tabloid broadsides
Breathless celebrity coverage of the Nightwings' love lives ensues
spiral zealot
I wouldnt be opposed
untold quartz
Volfred, looking out over his successful new nation: "I have no regrets."
Rukey, bounding into the government offices with a newspaper: "You guys, check out today's Sahrian Voice, you're not going to believe what they said about Sandalwood and--oh."
Volfred: "...I have one regret."
timid silo
(through gritted teeth) it's for a greater cause...
untold quartz
l i t e r a c y g o o d
spiral zealot
Volfred: Love how everyone can read and write, so beautiful
Jodi: Hey guys, look what Ti'zo wrote
Ti'zo: Peepee Poopoo
Rukey: Its just ... * starts crying * so beautiful, he has such a way with words
Volfred: Srcatch that, semi-beautiful
untold quartz
More like #@$& $&##@ &+#$@
spiral zealot
True
untold quartz
Ti'zo has a marvelously filthy mouth in his native tongue
spiral zealot
Volfred: Alright, who taught Ti'zo to write, this is a sin against literacy and poetic prose
untold quartz
I still haven't gotten over him mouthing off at Lendel
The whole Lendel-Ti'zo dynamic is just so
timid silo
https://laughingpinecone.tumblr.com/post/630537974691610624/what-thanks-azurefishnets-who-found-celestes Volfred's t-shirt relevant to the current conversation
scenic kiln
Lmao
spiral zealot
i love that
untold quartz
Like dude if Ti'zo is your nemesis you need to re-examine your life and your choices
spiral zealot
looks at tizo: baby
looks at lendel: whining baby
looks at tizo: dont let him hurt you
timid silo
and if any of the current Nightwings look like the guys you faced last time you need to re-examine your eyesight
Well okay Hedwyn may bear some resemblance to the dude who got anointed last time, but you also saw what happened to that dude, right.
Concept, Lendel is so self-involved that he straight-up didn't notice the whole tragedy. "eh, I lost, whatevs" while in his immediate background there's screaming, people falling off mountains, people dying in waterfalls, et cetera
spiral zealot
I agree
untold quartz
but how is it unfair to ME
earnest roost
Lendel: "hurr durr the Nightwings stole my chance at liberation!!!111!"
Lendel's teammates, probably: "bruh look one of them drowned"
Lendel: "this isn't about them, it's about me!"
timid silo
Not the cast's most self-absorbed individual only by virtue of Manley being around, but he tries, oh he tries. His topside ending where he keeps going back to the record of his liberation...
untold quartz
I enjoy the way the biggest hatesinks in this game are a smarmy selfish rich aristocrat and a horribly corrupt police officer
A+ 👍
spiral zealot
Manley best boy because hes worst boy
earnest roost
yea weird enough but even Udmildhe is not that hated and she's trying to summon an eldritch titan lol
spiral zealot
Elder gods: ok
Praying on societal standards and explotiong your position: no
untold quartz
the Archjustice is voiced by Logan in full ham mode so he's got that going for him
Lendel is such a pain that his teammates go full demon mid-game
That's legendary, man
earnest roost
honestly Lendel is worse that Manley because he keeps picking on poor Ti'zo
Manley is a nuisance but in a funny way
timid silo
Out of the two, I daresay it's poor Lendel 😂 Ti'zo can hold his own
untold quartz
(I'm dropping a couple of old Pyre memes in the #pyre channel on the unofficial server fyi)
(kids are asleep, this is my nap break 😁 )
spiral zealot
Lendl is such a horrible person he literally forced his teammates to undergo spontaneous evolution
trail talon
if i remember correctly, he's also one of the few exiles whose punishment fit his crime
untold quartz
(okay, big pile of old Pyre memes now available)
spiral zealot
I enjoy
charred nexus
Just beat pyre
It's already one of my favorite games
I never quite mastered the rites, but they were always fun, and the storytelling was fantastic
spiral zealot
Welcome to the club
charred nexus
The way it was integrated with gameplay was also incredibly well done
spiral zealot
What was your favorite nightwing and side character?
untold quartz
I didn't really get the hang of the rites until my second playthrough either
they're tricky!
spiral zealot
The rites are so fun
hushed adder
Was just listening to the Soundtrack again, and the line "Strands may break alone. But twisted make a braid, together on thier own, the journey shall be made."
And like oof
The symbolism AND THE HOMAGE TO JOURNEY AND BRAID IN THE SAME LYRIC
spiral zealot
The music is just beuatiful!
hushed adder
Imagining Darren over here casually paying homage to two inspiring indie games in the middle of his symbolic overture like, "man, I'm really glad those guys picked symbolically relevant names to our story!"
trail talon
songs of supergiant games in london: i cried during in the flame. might be one of their best songs
untold quartz
"huddled in the cold, backs against the storm/ the timid and the bold shall keep each other warm" is the line that always gets me
hushed adder
It's just PACKED
timid silo
Tariq furiously penning hurt/comfort fic while nobody's looking
hushed adder
"And there was only one Blackwagon'
untold quartz
pffffffft 🤣
hushed adder
How much longing fanfic do you think he has that's TOTALLY NOT ABOUT CELESTE, how could you think that?
earnest roost
The symbolism AND THE HOMAGE TO JOURNEY AND BRAID IN THE SAME LYRIC
Um, my goodness. I played Braid and I never realized that 😳
trail talon
How much longing fanfic do you think he has that's TOTALLY NOT ABOUT CELESTE, ho...
you can't convince me that tariq would ever lose his cool, ever. he'd be writing odes to celeste which he plans to sing to her once she softens towards him
earnest roost
Funny how Mourning Song makes me think of both Tariq and Celeste and Orpheus and Eurydice.
Is Tariq the Orpheus of the Downside? Maybe
spiral zealot
Yes but not nearly as depressed
earnest roost
I think he's just better at hiding it but his songs are quite sad.
hushed adder
Is Tariq the Orpheus of the Downside? Maybe
I think Darren is just Modern Orpheus
spiral zealot
Very hopefully not as depressed
untold quartz
I mean, he's lived among mortals for centuries and mathematically speaking ||most of his friends are dead||
If he wants to be a little sad and lonely sometimes I think that's fair
Tariq, I mean - not Darren 😅
spiral zealot
Do saps age and die?
untold quartz
Yeah, they don't stick around forever
spiral zealot
Also, how do we know darren isnt an immortal musician? Would make sense on why he can play every insturment on this isde of the stars
untold quartz
I think I remember fan theories about them eventually putting down roots and growing into giant trees if they survive long enough
spiral zealot
that would be nice
spiral zealot
a sap forest with their saplings nestled in between their branches, forever protected by their eternal partner
also what are the saplings?
children?
untold quartz
I hope not, given the way Volfred throws them around in the Rites
spiral zealot
lol
untold quartz
Here's my guess: We have an enormous, beautiful blossoming cherry tree in our yard. Its roots run from the front of our house all the way to the road, a span of something like thirty feet.
I know this because it is constantly trying to send up little shoots and grow them into subtrees
and I have to wade in among the other plantings and snap them off at the roots so I don't end up with a random cherry sapling in my pollinator bed
I think the saplings are like that. Little offshoots of Volf's body.
spiral zealot
That could work
they do have an aura which is a manifestation of their sins, so it would make sense if the saplings have the spas aura because those cuties could do nothign wrong ever
untold quartz
plants~
I wonder if Jodariel's interest in foraging and botany has ever tempted her to ask Volfred about Sap biology
I doubt she'd give in and ask, she's not naturally nosy
untold quartz
does anyone remember what month the Scribes' Return/rebellion happened in?
timid silo
How much longing fanfic do you think he has that's TOTALLY NOT ABOUT CELESTE, ho...
You ever seen the guy talk about ~his client? He's got pining down to an art
timid silo
I doubt she'd give in and ask, she's not naturally nosy
True, but as an interesting counterpoint, when he's in full teacher mode before Mount Alodiel, she's the one who answers, and I think that could go somewhere... They've all grown up in a society where knowledge is gatekept to the max and now they've got not one but two extremely knowledgeable people on board (plus the elusive Tariq)... but they're scary as heck. But Jodi does not get intimidated by that. Go ask Volf about Sap biology and Bertie about all the mushrooms, Jodi!
hushed adder
Maybe also including the Reader, especially if you decide the Reader is an old scholar.
timid silo
(frantic gossiping about the mysteries of Sap biology while the resident Sap is out of earshot)
hushed adder
"Do you think they can self-pollenate like some trees? Does the type of tree matter, or is that more akin to like skin colo- Hey, Volfred! Where to next?"
He catches on eventually and starts saying vague and cryptic responses to questions, or when he walks in on them discussing it, and just walks away leaving everyone more confused and him feeling all smug.
"I suppose it depends on the Season..."
frantic note taking as he walks away chucking to Tariq who is also 100٪ in on it.
timid silo
clearly 😂
...and who's had 800+ years to practice his "misleading cryptic statements" act...
trail talon
volfred: drops some obscure fact about sap biology into a totally unrelated conversation
reader: frantically lunges for their notes sorry, what was that?
spiral zealot
volfred: * drops some info he got out of Tariq about the heralds *
Reader: Ok, say that again, very slowly, * has 18 notebooks and a stone tablet in front of them *
timid silo
Notes include "People I could ask:
Bertrudedeath wishManleyNOT ON MY DIGNITY- OralechhahahahahHAHAHAno
- ....Palmis......... (circled in red with a little too much emphasis, as a last resort)"
supple solar
[Volfred voice] Hush, my kin. I am photosynthesizing.
untold quartz
spoiler, Volfred doesn't actually need to photosynthesize, he made that up as an excuse to go sit outside in the sunshine and meditate peacefully for a while with nobody pestering him
spiral zealot
I agree
hushed adder
"photosynthesize" he says, packing his pipe.
spiral zealot
Manley says that but in actuality hes bribing someoen somewhere
hushed adder
"Photosynthesizing" has been observed to mean many different things to many different Saps. Some prefer to do it alone, while others will secret away with small groups. Others still claim that this is all a hoax and just a trick they like to play on other species, but they are in the vast minority.
lament rivet
i love this
spiral zealot
Palmis: I haven't "Photosynthisized" in over 900 years, it is a mass- mghh phmf mphf
Volfred: What he means is that he has been photsynthizising with the light of the crystal and the residual light, so i might just have to take him with me to teach him how to photosynthesize again in the real light.
untold quartz
Literal forest bathing
hushed adder
I just realized... I'm pretty sure the symbol on your cloak is that of a Reader.
Look at his head, same symbol
Are the Beyonders Readers? Is the Commonwealth using the Beyonders Crest as a symbol for punishing Readers?
Reading wasn't a crime when the Beyonders existed, so their sigil would predate the Commonwealth's usage of it as a brand.
spiral zealot
Maybe just a brand of criminality in general?
hushed adder
But I think when When they find you, they assume you can read because of the symbol
spiral zealot
Hmmmm, maybe they did adopt it then?
trail talon
someone else noticed this, it seems, though the conversation didn't get very far. can i post links here?
yes
not sure if there's a confirmed theory
wraith wave
doesn't volfred also have the same star on his head? I assumed that was just a symbol for reader
hushed adder
Yeah, that's what I was saying, but it's also the Beyonder's sigil.
spiral zealot
Yeah. It could be that the beyonser crystal somehow adapts to the commonwealths current view of sin and crime to always mark them as the highest form of traitor and criminal
hushed adder
I think more likely the Commonwealth uses the Beyonders as Pariahs and their symbol is one of Capitol Sin, and the people in that society, like the characters you meet, would assume that would be reading. Some people get exiled without everything being taken and being branded, but some are, and those are usually the most grievous offences.
spiral zealot
Ooo ok yeah
hushed adder
But it's not only Readers, so they can't be sure. They have to ask, because maybe you just tried to assassinate the Archbishop? But more than likely you were a Reader.
Gonna have to keep my eyes out for that symbol on others in future playthroughs.
I mean, the sigil is slightly different, because it fits within the circle, but that symbol, as far as I know, is only seen 3 places, you Cloak at the beginning, Beyonder Sigil, and Volforehead.
spiral zealot
The Volfhead
untold quartz
There was a conversation with Greg once where he gave a big Perhaps re: Hedwyn having a brand under his headband
trail talon
then the brand probably would be for the worst types of crimes, not just literacy. i'm pretty sure hedwyn couldn't read
seeing that he was "practicing his letters:" reader = proud parent
untold quartz
Hedwyn got his entire squad murdered by Harps
That's a pretty big deal
He was supposed to be on watch and snuck off to see Fikani instead, and the Highwings got the drop on his unit and slaughtered them. 😖
trail talon
hence "the worst types of crimes"
untold quartz
Found it!
soft butch jodi (rose) oh that reminds me! i meant to ask, erisa is mentioned as being branded for her patricide. is it under that headband of hers? kid_zomb That's the implication, yeah... Red hold on..... hedwyn has a headband too.... kid_zomb He sure does! I thought about scenes where he might remove it but those never happened.
trail talon
i would be interested to see if anyone else has that brand in some form
oh wow, erisa too? makes sense
spiral zealot
He was supposed to be on watch and snuck off to see Fikani instead, and the High...
Bird so hot you peft your friends for dead
hushed adder
I thought someone said Hedwyn's headband was to hide the nubbins of horns? I mean, could be both of course.
Hedwyn's brand just says Bird Hots
jagged pebble
i mean i cant argue with that logic
hushed adder
Fikani's like "I cant believe they marked that beautiful face."
Hedwyn: "I mean, now people can see how much I love you and I dont have to tell them."
F:"..."
H: "I mean, I'm still going to at every opportunity, but now it will be MORE insufferably adorable."
F: (tearing up) "You're such an idiot, I love you so much."
Volfred: "Right, so we march at Sunrise. Jodi, you head this way..."
V: "... Hedwyn and Fikani.... Just Stand near the front and look adorable."
H&F: "Done."
untold quartz
They canonically led at least one raid together during the revolution
On the hidey-hole where the Archjustice was squirrelled away, no less
hushed adder
Oh yeah, I mean They very much take on very important responsibilities. But I also love that like, Part of the reason they were picked was because the image of them standing side by side was so powerful it would inspire others to follow.
hushed adder
"This city is burning because of YOU!"
"Um, pretty sure y'all were the ones that were burning books and printing presses, so..."
untold quartz
It's my personal rock solid headcanon that Volfred makes their wedding into a big public to-do for PR's sake
hushed adder
Oh absolutely.
But they elope privately and have a special ceremony between the two of them for the two of them
untold quartz
Perfect symbol of union and peace, great excuse for public revelry and a morale boost
(also I remembered why I guessed her wings were blue while digging through the post-game text!)
(if you leave him down, she gets word that he's trapped in the Downside and casts herself down the falls on purpose to go and find him and be with him, even though banishment has been abolished)
(Fikani Shang, the Last Exile 😭 )
and it says: One day, as he was wandering through the Downside Prairie, he could scarce believe his eyes at what he saw. There, her wings as brilliant as the sky, was the Harp, Fikani Shang.
Hence, blue
(although pink or purple could also be it? it's mostly blue though)
earnest roost
What I'm wondering is...
Hedwyn has been into exile for 5 years. Did Fikani not know anything about him all this time?
wheat vapor
possibly! Their countries were at war, after all. Tough to get information between two sides that don't even talk to each other
earnest roost
Actually now that I think about it, it's very likely because Hedwyn asks Pamitha about Fikani at some point
hushed adder
Wait, so is that only if Pam goes back and Hedwyn doesn't?
I mean, I guess there are still messenger imps, so she can get word if all the Nightwings stay in exile?
wheat vapor
I think they end up together no matter what
earnest roost
I assume that when Hedwyn is liberated he goes to her himself
wheat vapor
||either there's a bloodless revolution, or a bloody one, or the harps just win, so either way she can learn of his fate||
hushed adder
I mean, yeah.
earnest roost
Ah you mean when he remains, my bad. Then yeah, she probably finds out about it during the revolution
wheat vapor
yeah. Or it's just as you said, he'll be liberated and seek her out
no matter what, they kissin'
hushed adder
GOOD
earnest roost
That's what they deserve, baby
wheat vapor
what I really want to know is
will their kids have arms
or wings?
or both? Feathered arms???
hushed adder
Fantasy Genetics are weird. Maybe it depends on the personality of the offspring like Bending in the ATLA universe? In the lore aren't Nomads the descendants of Wingless Harps? And being able to turn into and back from Demons is a whole thing, so...
They clearly need to have lots of babies. For science.
hushed adder
Volfred making Punnett Squares in the corner
Which, the idea of a plant being making Punnett squares just makes me giggle.
wheat vapor
it fits him so well...
untold quartz
That's one way to solve the population problem for Harps I guess 🤣
earnest roost
I wonder if the Prince still lives
spiral zealot
So, are there male harps? I would like to see a bird Hots but Male please
Because all bird are hots
and I like all types of hots
untold quartz
Commonwealth says they killed and ate all the men
Commonwealth is a corrupt propaganda state
untold quartz
All we ever hear from Pam is that there's some degree of competition among lady Harps to be the strongest to get a shot at "continuing the line" with the Prince, who may or may not still be alive, and she thinks it's BS regardless
No word on whether he's the only male left, or just the highest-ranking
(I prefer to assume he's not, because even with fantasy genetics, that's a doomed-species level of reproductive bottleneck and I like Harps)
(they'd be guaranteed to die out eventually at that point, unless they get a deus ex machina break post-revolution and random Nomad babies start getting born with wings, like the airbenders in Legend of Korra, or something)
timid silo
Personally I haven't found a way to wring something interesting out of that trite bit of lore so I tend to steer clear of it... Hot Bird Harem is very far from my interests. And I like Harps, indeed.
spiral zealot
yeah, not the most comfortable of topics
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restive lynx
hello all, i was wondering if you all found pyre as fun as bastion, transistor, and hades? I havent tried pyre yet but i am a huge fan of the supergiants other games
and i just wanna hear some of your explanations as to why you find pyre fun pls
thinking about getting it soon, im just not convinced with its gameplay yet
rancid slate
it's fancy basketball
trail talon
gameplay was hit or miss for some people. personally, i enjoyed it. it’s fast paced and shares characteristics of hades in that sense
the story and the world are breathtaking
earnest roost
Honestly I wasn't sure if I would like it either when I was watching YouTube videos. The gameplay seemed a bit complicated but it's actually easy once you try it out yourself. Some people complained about the visual novel parts slowing the pace too much but then again Hades has more dialogue lines than Pyre so 🤷♀️
charred nexus
Pyre soundtrack slaps
restive lynx
i was eventually gonna get pyre someday, but yall helped convinced me to get it now lol. thanks!
stiff tangle
Late but. Best soundtrack, best ending, lots of fun little details to look out for, if you don't like the gameplay you can a) remember the story continues regardless of if you win or not; b) freely switch between difficulties
untold quartz
also late, but the story in Pyre is my absolute favorite of any SGG simply because the characters are so likeable and they all have such great dynamics with each other
you get really attached to this whole ragtag band and their various friendships and trust issues
stiff tangle
I was very surprised by how attached to most of the cast I ended up getting
...same thinking...
untold quartz
same 🎩
but yeah, Transistor probably has the sleekest story in terms of thematic and aesthetic streamline without any unnecessary padding? but Pyre is a game you can kick back and live in.
stiff tangle
Oh my god you put in words why I can't decide if I like Pyre or TRNA bettwr
restive lynx
transistor's main highlight for me was the customizable builds, art style, and music
restive lynx
Oh my god you put in words why I can't decide if I like Pyre or TRNA bettwr
whast trna
stiff tangle
Transistor
restive lynx
oh LOL
untold quartz
with the cozy knicknacks that pile up around your motor home Blackwagon, and your various friendships, and how eager you get to do all the little side trips on your road trip through purgatory, just so you can have another chat with one of your teammates
or see what shenanigans they'll get up to next
stiff tangle
Listen if a game starts with music like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypvsPO2K9mI you KNOW it's gonna be good
restive lynx
Oh my god you put in words why I can't decide if I like Pyre or TRNA bettwr
correct me if im wrong, but from the many interviews and documentaries ive seen on SGG, it seems like they had the hardest and most stressful time with transistor right?
stiff tangle
I'm not really the person to ask about this
untold quartz
it feels like hanging with friends, you develop fond memories - That Time Hedwyn Got Seasick, That Time We Had To Give Falcon Ron A Ride And He Drove Us All Crazy, That Time We P*ssed Off Rukey When We Wouldn't Stop Ringing The Nautical Bell
wheat vapor
just throwing a slightly different opinion out there. Pyre is NOT my favourite Supergiant game. I feel like it doesn't play very well to their greatest strength, trading a structured narrative for a more free-form one
Having said that, Pyre is a VERY good game. The character writing is top-notch, and I think it's the best of the "your choices have consequences moral drama ooooh" genre out there. It's a highly underrated game
I find it clicks more with me if I think of it as more of a story-sandbox than a traditional narrative
restive lynx
Listen if a game starts with music like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypvsPO2K...
ill wait to play it first so i can listen in context
stiff tangle
Fair I just love it so freaking much
restive lynx
Fair I just love it so freaking much
thansk for sharing tho!
untold quartz
yeah, I don't think there's an objectively Best game from Supergiant, just particular people who vibe better with a particular game
wheat vapor
totally
untold quartz
they're all good, there is no bad choice for your personal fave
stiff tangle
Yeah I like to say Hades is the best from the technical standpoint because of course but after that it's just personal bias
AND the fact that we just want more people to know about Pyre
untold quartz
(any given run of Pyre becomes so different just depending on who you send up in what order, you know?)
restive lynx
yeah, I don't think there's an objectively Best game from Supergiant, just parti...
ye ai like hades, bastion, and transistor equally for different reasons
stiff tangle
I still can't believe there are people whose SGG knowledge is just Hades now
restive lynx
I still can't believe there are people whose SGG knowledge is just Hades now
i think its mostly hades and bastion
stiff tangle
True but Hades seems to have made even more of a splash
restive lynx
as of now, doesnt bastion still have more total sales? granted its been out for 10 years lol
untold quartz
spoiler marking for a second here: ||I gave Hedwyn the boost on our second lib rite the first time I played through, and kept him around almost until the end on my second run, and it was a huge difference moodwise for the whole crew||
stiff tangle
I was gonna say!
wheat vapor
I still can't believe there are people whose SGG knowledge is just Hades now
hahahahaha I've been going through the same thing with all the Persona 5 fans not knowing the Persona franchise, or even SMT. The real ones will find their way to the rest
stiff tangle
spoiler marking for a second here: ||I gave Hedwyn the boost on our second lib r...
If I ever replay I'm doing this with Jodi lmao
untold quartz
I'm really happy for SGG getting a big breakthrough like this, and I can't wait to see what it enables them to do next, and I hope it doesn't prevent fans from going back to enjoy Transistor and Pyre
wheat vapor
spoiler marking for a second here: ||I gave Hedwyn the boost on our second lib r...
||I gotta try that. I'm too soft-hearted when it comes to Hedwyn, I just want him to reunite with his love as soon as possible!||
untold quartz
(Bastion is already iconic and similar in gameplay to Hades, it seems to be the one that Hades fans are likeliest to pick up next)
restive lynx
hahahahaha I've been going through the same thing with all the Persona 5 fans no...
whats funny is that transistor came out like a week after i beat bastion for the first time haha. after i beat transistor like 3 times, i had no idea SSG released pyre. pyre def was not marketed as much imo
restive lynx
I'm really happy for SGG getting a big breakthrough like this, *and* I can't wai...
i agree, but is it bad that i just want more hades DLCs for now? LOL
untold quartz
I mean, I've already spent years in the Final Fantasy fandom trying to talk fans of the post-FFX games into trying the classics from the SNES and PS1 eras (other than FFVII, the world's obsession with FFVII will apparently outlast the stars)
restive lynx
I mean, I've already spent years in the Final Fantasy fandom trying to talk fans...
funn you say that, i literaal started FFIII today
literally*
wheat vapor
i agree, but is it bad that i just want more hades DLCs for now? LOL
I get you! want the sheet music for Pyre and Hades soundtrack (even though I haven't played Hades yet)
wheat vapor
I mean, I've already spent years in the Final Fantasy fandom trying to talk fans...
... you have my endless sympathy
untold quartz
(and I'm over here like FFIV is wildly underappreciated, FFVI and FFIX are tied for my favorite FF, FFVIII is kind of a weird maudlin mess at times but it's a lot of fun in a very idiosyncratic product-of-the-late-nineties way)
wheat vapor
FFVI is so good
untold quartz
so I'm perfectly happy to toss my hat into the ring as a Pyre and Transistor evangelist as well
restive lynx
FFVI is so good
i started 6 as well, but lost the cartridge. might emulate it soon
wheat vapor
i started 6 as well, but lost the cartridge. might emulate it soon
Do it! Totally worth a playthrough
untold quartz
FFIX was severely hamstrung by A] a deceptively terrible translation, and B] the American disdain for superdeformed characters, right after FFVIII had given us naturally-proportioned ones for the first time in the franchise
restive lynx
FFIX was severely hamstrung by A] a deceptively terrible translation, and B] the...
makes sense. most ppl's first intro to ff was ff7
untold quartz
"oh this is a baby game for babies, look at their big cute heads" "no, it's a game about loss and war crimes and courage and what it means to face death with dignit--you're not listening, are you" "baaaaaby game"
restive lynx
so they probably expected cool looking edgy characters
wheat vapor
FFIX was severely hamstrung by A] a deceptively terrible translation, and B] the...
I feel like the imminent launch of the PS2 did it no favours either
untold quartz
so they probably expected cool looking edgy characters
which is also hilarious because the sprites in the original FFVII looked like Lego minifigs everywhere except in the battles 😂
restive lynx
CUBE HANDS
untold quartz
https://giantbomb1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/0/2806/2182492-150px_cloud_strife_field_model.jpg
ah yes, a very dignified hero character
wheat vapor
the peak of grafics
... hmm, I don't think the intentional spelling error joke scans very well there after all
but I mean, doesn't everyone want UFO shapes for shoulders?!
untold quartz
FFIX was a huge upgrade in comparison to that:
but in the meantime we'd had FFVIII, which looked very modern and "serious", and people were annoyed to go "back" to the more cute design aesthetic
anyway this is the pyre channel
I should probably move this to general 😅
stiff tangle
I @'d you in #video-games
untold quartz
apologies for the digression! tl;dr, I hope Pyre doesn't become the FFIX of Supergiant, it deserves better.
rancid slate
I fi recall i knew about bastion in the 360 days even played the demo. transistor was pretty big. but i never heard anything about pyre. never knew it existed. and hades is hades.
wheat vapor
apologies for the digression! tl;dr, I hope Pyre doesn't become the FFIX of Supe...
I think it might already be so... But that just makes it more special when people do find it, I guess
It's highly underrated, and there's nothing out there like it. It's a bit like Catherine in that it's a really specific intersection of gaming interests.... But, from what I've seen, the only slight people seem to have against Pyre is that it's niche