pyre

[young folio]

but, pyre also doesnt have any elves does it

[faint umbra]

Yeah, catgirls are only the obvious fantasy race if you watch lots of anime/read lots of manga... outside of Japanese stuff, there aren't that many catpeople.

Most obvious fantasy race for me is dwarves though. Short creatures fond of drink and industry.

(although they do go hand in hand with elves, usually, often as age old enemies)

[wide river]

#off-topic-discussion if you're going to branch off into just talking about fantasy races, please

[potent mason]

hey guys, what was the service you were using to play multiplayer pyre online?

[spiral osprey]

Parsec!

[onyx forum]

parsec!

HAT

[potent mason]

hah thought so

thank you

[lime mural]

Random thought: If SSG ever has a big player meet-up, it needs to be called Pyre Festival

[wide river]

no it doesn't

it's too close to that Other One

[lime mural]

thatsthejoke.jpg

[onyx forum]

extra hour in the pit of milithe

[young folio]

AAAAAAAAA

[lime mural]

Hehehehehe

That's hilarious

[long holly]

Omg

[analog jewel]

The music ❤

[golden onyx]

^

with you all the way

Why can't it be called the Super Mega Supergiant meetup or something?

[wet kiln]

Hey

Does anyone happen to have the link to that ditty vid about Jodariel?

People from the fan server should know what I'm talking about probably

"I want Jodariel to pick me up in her big strong arms..."

It has been sent to me, thanks Spike 🙇

[olive terrace]

I've never heard of this, but I'd love to see it as well.

[lime mural]

Same please !

[vestal bluff]

Not my creation, but I know what these guys are talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi1RCvlm3Ps

[lime mural]

👀

[eager hatch]

Dangit

I missed the chance to ask Darren about the Pyre sheet music

aaaaaaaaah

[wide river]

related to darren's answer about how his methods have/haven't changed: the whole "ooh, not in a closet any more!!" will forever make me laugh

[onyx forum]

and may we all know that privilege 🙏

[eager hatch]

yes

jim morrison recorded his vocals in a bathroom because he couldn't afford an echo chamber

[lavish ridge]

i'm late but i love that video

also idk if things have changed @eager hatch, but i asked him about that at pax east last year, and he said there aren't plans atm

and then because i mentioned vagrant song he just rattled off what he knew off the top of his head about how to play it

he's a cool dude

i wish we were getting sheet music though :(

[eager hatch]

roblox_death_sound.wav

guess I'm gonna have to study harder

ah well, more rewarding that way in the long run I think

thanks for telling me though

pyre is shaping out to be supergiant's weird kid

[pliant sigil]

ti'zo: why hello there my little readerling

[onyx forum]

me: omg a talking inp

[lapis hemlock]

“im going to listen to the pyre soundtrack while studying”
makes up au’s while listening to the soundtrack instead

[mild falcon]

what if the downside is actually the surface, but the commonwealth is underground...

[lapis hemlock]

aaaaand im suddenly having ignarius feels

can’t post a screenshot
F
iggy ilu stop being hard on yourself

i swear on my next playthrough, im gonna let him win

ive been listening to the pyre soundtrack for over a year
darren korb ur a blessing

[wide river]

ignarius is an interesting character to me - as much as i dislike the weird "romance" (in heavy sarcasm quotes) plot between him and jodi - because his crime was doing his job too well

[vale oxide]

it's been too long since I played, what was his job again'

[wide river]

he was a bouncer for a nightclub

a commonwealth official apparently got under his skin while he was working and ignarius beat him up, and got exiled for it - though i've always wondered if ignarius actually was justified in doing it and it's just Good Ol' Commonwealth Corruption that got him exiled

[mild falcon]

"Don't you know who I am?"
"You're throwing up everywhere is who you are. Get out"

[grizzled valve]

$75 well spent. Just ordered the limited signed art of Jodi from the Supergiant Store. I’ll begin my collection of the rest of their artwork soon...

[stoic junco]

How some homebrew Pyre roleplay play out:

• Posts come semi-frequently, all is well;
• We all try to live our lives and flesh out some rules, so the thing slows down;
• Some feller is having less interest in the game but keeps trying to write, and since there is literally no one else we can't just ditch them, so the game slows almost to a creaking halt;
• The doubtful feller eventually leaves, just in time as we found someone fresh;
• The game resumes, with us still having our lives to live out;
• Now the year has passed, and we still didn't even have our first training Rite.

[vale oxide]

has your whole party even been exiled yet

[stoic junco]

Somehow, yes. I mean, we don't roleplay as Commonwealth officials, and they are very efficient with their work.

[rich sequoia]

I always found the world around Pyre and survival in the Downside to be more interesting for a roleplay setting than the Rites themselves

[pliant sigil]

Imagine just minding your business somewhere in the downside and you see the stars gradually dying off and one day some dude tells you "oh yeah in case you still wanted to leave you cant anymore"

[heady karma]

Imagine minding your business somewhere in the commonwealth and then some giant horned woman who looks like she’s about to kill someone just falls up a waterfall

[pliant sigil]

Liberated exiles going back to the commonwealth be like (mario pipe noise) let's start a rebellion

[heady karma]

I liked to think that liberated exiles just randomly interrupt commonwealth government meetings

Like “ok what should we do abou” suddenly dog

[pliant sigil]

Is there even a determined location you arrive to after going up the waterfall

[heady karma]

I think so

[pliant sigil]

Or do you just get yeeted somewhere in the world

[heady karma]

gets randomly teleported directly back over the exile river after liberation

“Aww come on!”

[proud ruin]

at least you'll get to listen to the Downside Ballad again

[stoic junco]

There is totally a defined location for all returning from the Downside. They are greeted by the Commonwealth officials, after all.

[vale oxide]

there's just a person-sized mail tube in one of the council officials' offices

[mild falcon]

Thwoooomp

[limber hawk]

How many people here have 'Will of the Scribes' stuck in their head. I can't remember when I last heard it but it is still playing out in my head right now

There was supposed to be a question mark there

[mild falcon]

Right now I've got in the flame in my head

But sometimes it's will of the scribes

[proud ruin]

[heady karma]

In the flame has been perpetually stuck in my head for over a year now

[pliant sigil]

i guess it's uh

burned into your brain

[proud ruin]

[pallid whale]

I'm partial to obsessively rerunning 'Mourning Song' in the old noggin myself

[proud ruin]

I like Vagrant Song myself.

"Can you play something to cheer is up?"

sings sorrowfully

[stoic junco]

Speaking of music tracks... Does there exist any Never to Return instrumentals? I wanted to try and make something original for my Awakened...

[safe adder]

the closest there is is the white lute version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j12bAhzNd_4

[stoic junco]

Of course! How could I forget this one?
Thanks a lot!

[safe adder]

no probs

[young fjord]

Finally getting around to playing Pyre

[lime mural]

how do ya like it so far ?? such a good game isn’t it

[young fjord]

Literally just started

But the channel I mod for started playing it yesterday, which was good motivation for me to finally play it myself so I don't get it all spoiled watching the stream

I watched the first stream which covered maybe... 3 or 4 Rites at most, so I've seen that much already

And yes, it is a Good Game™

[lime mural]

ooh great!! it’s a better experience if you play on your own tho for sure

how do you like... jodi

[young fjord]

Jodariel is lovely, from what I've seen

It'll probably take me a bit to get past what I've already seen on stream

Maybe an hour or two, since I'm not reading out every line to an audience 😆

[lime mural]

do take your time, the game has a lot of lore and it takes a while to let it sink in admittedly

[young fjord]

Just playing the first tutorial Rite now

[mild falcon]

moustache or no moustache?

[pliant sigil]

volfred sandalwood found dead in southern france https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/218835431981187073/548815698680479757/Snapchat-200247892.jpg

[lime mural]

He’s just taking a nap right here..!

[lapis hemlock]

F

[charred yacht]

F

[young fjord]

I chose to send Hedwyn back first and I'm very conflicted right now

I thought about throwing the match, but decided not to

Why you do this, Pyre?

[mild falcon]

pyre is the saddest game of all time

[ripe stag]

i mean, he'll be with his waifu

that's got to count for something

[small helm]

I finished Pyre about a month ago, and I think I wasn't even halfway through the story when it took the spot for my favourite game

Funnily enough it took that spot from Bastion

[wide river]

i sent hedwyn back second-to-last and felt awful about keeping him for so long but he's my favourite and i wanted him to stick around :c

[pliant sigil]

i think he was the 3rd or 4th guy to leave my team

having to liberate jodi first was very painful

[small helm]

Hedwyn was the first to go for me, I always felt guilty that one had to leave before the other, like I was valuing one of them more than someone else, and that our opponents never got to leave as well.

[young fjord]

I can already tell that I'm going to have to play Pyre multiple times

Too much of a completionist not to

[young fjord]

Coming up on my second Liberation Rite

[mild falcon]

who ya thinking of libbing

[young fjord]

Rukey has been anointed

My only other options were Jodariel and Ti'zo

[mild falcon]

welp, hopefully you can succeed without the doggo

[young fjord]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mild falcon]

oh, what'd you name the vagabond

[young fjord]

Xae

[mild falcon]

that's fair

not the worst choice

i went with nae, because 🐴

[young fjord]

Whelp, farewell Rukey

[heavy hill]

Xae's the best choice

[young fjord]

a;slkdjf;oiawej GAAAH that was an annoying Rite

(Isle of Khaylmer)

'cause I just had to take up Bertrude's challenge of using the Yslach Titan Star to weaken Udmildhe

The imps respawning when I'm one step away from the pyre and insta-detonating on me

[mild falcon]

well, at least youll have a better time against udmildhe in the future

[young fjord]

True, though I don't think I'll be using that Titan Star again anytime soon

[young fjord]

Well, I threw the match against the Essence because Pamitha wanted her sister to go free

[charred yacht]

oh my god i hated it when I beat the Essence because I felt so guilty

[young fjord]

I was torn, but I like Pamitha and didn't want her to be sad

[charred yacht]

SamE but I'm trying to do a playthrough where I get as many people as possible out sobs

I also felt bad beating the Tempers

[wide river]

i liberated pam against the essence and i have no regrets

[young folio]

same

[pliant sigil]

Who didnt

[smoky sparrow]

I didn't. Pamitha was one of the three I left at the end

[young folio]

oh wait i misread this

i didnt LMAO sorry

she asked to set tam free so i did That

[wide river]

pamitha: please let tamitha go free
me: ha, and also no.

"i know every other word out of her mouth is yelling about how much she hates all of us and me especially, but please??"

[stoic junco]

Screw Tamitha. She's too mean.

And this is why she stays in the Downside.

Also, she would make Highwing Remnants attack. Against the plans of peaceful rebellion. We don't do that here.

[pliant sigil]

i need to replay pyre bc i forgot most of the pamitha/tamitha drama

[mild falcon]

Dramitha?

[iron heart]

Yo

Is there a codex on Gilman's voice lines?

I looked through the other docs but uhh

I dont see gilman's lines

[wide river]

i don’t think his voice lines have been transcribed yet

[iron heart]

Pls do

Id like to see them at the very least put in the codex format

[spiral osprey]

I can look into it when I get some time

I assume you mean in Sahrian, and not just the text of his lines in English?

Or

[exotic shard]

Just had what appeared to be the "better" ending; was wondering what would've happened if i've sent all the nastiest people in commonwealth

I've had muh sympathy for them, still

[iron heart]

@spiral osprey in sahrian

Like the sahrian with the english text that accompanies it

[wide river]

i only did hedwyn's lines bc he's my favourite

[iron heart]

I like gilman’s lines mostly because they’re cheerful and most of them are exclamatory

[cobalt hare]

he does not lose honor

[long holly]

that knight is something else

[cobalt hare]

I really loved Gilman

While at first he was boring to me

But when he faced his triumverate all by himself i was like "DAMN"

[pliant sigil]

Gilman: does this ^
Me: oh worm?

[wet cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tJ06_qtmbc&list=PL53mjgVKFq7wTRSwKFj3Fdom_wwItnIpg&index=31&t=0s

I love listening to this no matter how many times.

[onyx heart]

supergiant makes such good games that i want to replay them but then remember

i have no time

they good but they are also longer than a single playthrough allows (esp for pyre)

[brittle wren]

Friend of mine asked how canon this was, so i said "exact lore"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302522757264965632/551154865548689418/tumblr_pnk4vbSfFW1r57zlo_540.png

[blissful trench]

yeah that's

yeah

[onyx forum]

https://agenderjulian.tumblr.com/post/183081442333 lets post sources please!

[brittle wren]

Thx was on phone and friend only posted image

[empty marten]

is there a physical book of rites to buy?

Or even digital

[long holly]

a common ask. but i don't think so.

[empty marten]

I figured

Pyre has my favorite story/lore by far

[cloud quartz]

same

[empty marten]

And I would love to have that book on my shelf

Gameplay not so much

[cloud quartz]

eh, i really liked the gameplay

[empty marten]

it just got a little repetitive for me

I actually never finished it, so I'm in the process now

[vestal bluff]

It stops being repetitive as difficulty level increases

The Rites can get pretty intense as you move up the number of Titans you're invoking beforehand

[empty marten]

that implies that I'm good enough to increase it lol

[vestal bluff]

You'll never know your limits 'til you try and break them!

[iron heart]

I think I tried to invoke all the titans on my playthrough

Like

On every rite

And id restart the rites until I won so yeah

Lmao

[vestal bluff]

I've been thinking about going back for an 'all Titans all the time' playthrough

I've never restarted a Rite ever though, it kinda takes too much of the pressure off

[empty marten]

I didn't realize you could until today

Don't know if that's a good thing for me or not lol

[woven belfry]

Hi

Give Pyre Discord pls

[stoic junco]

It already has a lot of Discord possibilities, no?

[vestal bluff]

I mean, there exist multiple Pyre Discords already, depending on what this fellow’s looking for

[vernal tiger]

Does anyone know if there's any plans to bring Pyre to the Switch? I found some articles on Google saying no, but they seemed pretty old. Curious if this has changed.

[wide river]

they're kinda busy at the moment!

[vernal tiger]

I noticed. Was just updating Hades.

Hoping that makes its way to the Switch too, but yeah... I'm just happy to be able to continue to support these guys. They make amazing games.

[twin crane]

So, what's the thoughts of the developers on allowing the Scribes to become a genuine religion on earth? Lotsa good tenets to believe in!

[mild falcon]

id argue that the faith failed the commonwealth

[twin crane]

Only after it had been twisted by those in power. Though, I suppose, isn't that always the case

[tough hinge]

Mmmmm, imma say that making it a religion is a bad idea, especially since It’s a video game... I think it is better to find where those tenets came from that inspired the game

[vestal bluff]

"You could make a religion outta thi-"
"No, don't"

[twin crane]

Ah well, it was a wild idea. I was partly wondering that if it takes a science fiction author to make a horrid religion, would it take a fantasy-football video game to make a good one?

[heady karma]

we cant fight fire with pyre

[vestal bluff]

Yeah, but everyone knows you can fight fire with a Celestial Orb

[thick carbon]

Thinkin about hasAJHooted()

[onyx forum]

thank u for reminding me

[next girder]

Me manifesting in this server once in a blue moon: sniffe

God tho imagine being able to manifest your aura in the capital like firefighters just woosh over the fires

Instant extinguish

[mild falcon]

lmao soliam murr just wanted the celestial orb so he could do some firefighting

[tough hinge]

Soliam Murr: we need the orb to fight fires!
Gol: So like... water
Khalmer: blocked,

[onyx forum]

orb is water balloon

[mild falcon]

it's not even a particularly good one

[thick carbon]

Sandra’s been drowning for a thousand years

[lavish ridge]

F

[dusty temple]

noxalas!

[lavish ridge]

noxalas!

[long holly]

noxalas!!

[dusk current]

Congrats!! You three are a triumvirate now. 🎉 👏

[thick carbon]

🎶their journey began... in the su-per-giant games server....🎶

[fading nebula]

Where Caitlin arrived...

[proud ruin]

Cait is a reader

[pure bluff]

Well, if you can read this message then you are indeed a reader

[vestal bluff]

If you can read this, you're going to the Downside

[charred yacht]

oh no

[lapis hemlock]

all games need a narrator that roasts the players like archduke does

[onyx forum]

aj but hes in other games

[pliant sigil]

bastion but aj is the narrator

O CHILD,

[onyx forum]

YESS

[thick carbon]

Replace glados with aj....

[hollow jay]

a duet

[blissful trench]

😮

[lapis hemlock]

no one would survive

[onyx forum]

(does testing for aj) (does rites for glados)

[iron heart]

You know I love Tariq and Celeste’s names

After I found out what Tariq’s name meant I actually used it to name my character’s parental figure/custodian

Because they are space themed

I named the custodian Catariq

Because giant lynx

Also honestly

You could replace the Voice with Glados and it wouldnt be different

[placid cosmos]

playing on a higher difficulty than im used to

im scared

[charred yacht]

I believe in you, you'll do great

[placid cosmos]

ty,,

cant wait to see my wife sandra again

[charred yacht]

hmm... than and sandra... are both greenn....

[placid cosmos]

zia is also green what is this-

[charred yacht]

You have a Type 💚

[placid cosmos]

i prefer to be safe w the rites bc i just want everyone to go home

[charred yacht]

Is it possible to send all the chars home?

[placid cosmos]

the vagabond girl is the only person i feel okay about leaving in the downside

no :(

[charred yacht]

a a a a aaa

[stoic junco]

You can only send 7 out of nine.

[placid cosmos]

it makes me so sad

[stoic junco]

It's supposed to.

[charred yacht]

darn i thought there was some type of true end where you could send everyone/everyone minus yourself

[placid cosmos]

i wish

i left bertrude sir gilman and xae

[stoic junco]

No. Not always is there anything resembling a "perfect ending".

All we can do is strive to do the best thing.

[placid cosmos]

mainly bc i wanted to go back with sandra so she could be somewhat free

[stoic junco]

Was this not the whole idea behind such mechanics?

[placid cosmos]

yeah it was

[stoic junco]

I wonder if I really needed to specify that Pyre was my favourite game here.

[placid cosmos]

pyre.. very good

me too!!

[stoic junco]

I mean, look at my profile picture.

[placid cosmos]

im pretty sure sandra is my steam pfp

but i might have changed it

nope shes still there :,)

[stoic junco]

I have bought a comission to make my custom character from Pyre universe.

[charred yacht]

I should really get back to replaing pyre

[placid cosmos]

ooh

[stoic junco]

There's no commitment stronger for a common man.

[empty aurora]

@stoic junco nice garr ^_^

[placid cosmos]

i rlly like the way that the game forces u to leave people behind tbh

[empty aurora]

i need to finish pyre now i finally got a controller, i feel like mouse was a mistake for me 😛

[placid cosmos]

stuff like that makes me feel so bad and i love it

[vestal bluff]

Man, what!? I could swear that KB&M was way easier for me than controller

[stoic junco]

Yeah. You get more invested into characters AND you get to play and to know later characters. If only because you are left with no choice.

[charred yacht]

one of my favourite things about pyre was how it made me feel bad for the opposing side

to the point i wanted to lose to give them a chance

[placid cosmos]

yes!!!

although

[charred yacht]

like thats so... .. . painful

[stoic junco]

@vestal bluff
For me as well, but I have always played with no controller.

[vestal bluff]

I let Dalbert and Almer win a Liberation against me

[placid cosmos]

i didnt feel bad for tamitha

[vestal bluff]

Fate 💜

[thick carbon]

also from a gameplay perspective making you give up (generally) your most used character is so good

[placid cosmos]

yep!

[stoic junco]

Do you remember Titan Souls?

[vestal bluff]

Ooh, yeah, the first Liberation I lost was against Tamitha

[stoic junco]

The game with one arrow, where all die in one hit?

[placid cosmos]

although i tried to hold onto hedwyn as long as possible

[vestal bluff]

Her team is tough

[stoic junco]

I have beaten it with keyboard.

And it doesn't use mouse. You aim directionally. It was very hard.

[placid cosmos]

tamitha was the only rite i had to restart

[stoic junco]

@vestal bluff
IMO the Essence is the toughest team. Maybe rivaled by the Withdrawn.

[placid cosmos]

that sounds awful

[vestal bluff]

I've never restarted a Rite. Never knew you could, and even if I did, I wouldn't

[placid cosmos]

i only figured out how to use a controller on pc a few weeks ago when i bought dmc collection

[vestal bluff]

Gotta accept the outcome man, it makes it way more meaningful

[stoic junco]

@placid cosmos
It was better than you think. Long experience with keys helps quite a lot

[vestal bluff]

Aye, the Withdrawn I think are the strongest overall

[stoic junco]

But Essence have the hardest Liberation.

So difficulty is more subjective

[vestal bluff]

Nah, the Essence's Liberation bonus isn't that bad. It actually makes them much more vulnerable to Rukey and Sir Gilman

Harps are usually OK on defence, but they're not actually that fast, so if you let them grab the Orb, they'll throw it to you and then you can just take off

What's the Withdrawn Liberation bonus, again?

The pools of stuff wherever someone gets banished?

[charred yacht]

I think so

[placid cosmos]

this is a little off topic but how many people let freed volfred like,, do most people do that

[vestal bluff]

I definitely gotta do a True Nightwings, All-Titans-All-The-Time playthrough at some point

WRT Freeing Volfred, it's generally just kinda hard to do, since he comes in so late in the game, you'll rarely have him in your top 3 by level

He's also one of the weakest in the Rites, so you'll generally not play him that often either

[placid cosmos]

i see

im glad i freed him tho

[vestal bluff]

Oh, nice! Was he the last one you got out?

[placid cosmos]

uhh

let me think for a sec

i dont think he was the last

i think ti'zo was the last one i freed actually

[vestal bluff]

If you liberated him last, you'd remember, 'cause that'd be against Oralech, and there's specific dialogue they have during the match!

[placid cosmos]

and then myself

ok the rite against oralech broke my heart

[vestal bluff]

It's a hard one

Man, iirc, Ti'zo was the second character I liberated, ever, after Jodi

[placid cosmos]

i think i went

jodi hedwyn rukey

pamitha

then it must have been volfred ti'zo and myself

[vestal bluff]

So, Gilman, Bertrude and the Moontouched Girl remained, eh?

[placid cosmos]

yeah

[vestal bluff]

They are the three who probably minded the least

[placid cosmos]

xae got to stay with almer which was my plan ever since i met almer

[vestal bluff]

Of all the characters in the game, I honestly think I like the Fate the best

They've got a touching story

Especially when they beat you in the Liberation

[placid cosmos]

aagh

[vestal bluff]

But I won't spoil it, if you haven't seen it!

Just... let them win, next playthru!

[placid cosmos]

[charred yacht]

I want to do a playthrough where I let everyone win

[vestal bluff]

As valid an option as any

[young folio]

i did that

its hilarious

[vestal bluff]

I've done it, and there's interesting dialogue that goes on that you wouldn't see otherwise

[charred yacht]

oooh,,, i hafta do it now skks

[vestal bluff]

Oh, man Alma, I remember yours!

You did even worse than this guy's thinking though

[charred yacht]

w-what

[vestal bluff]

Yeah, if you lose every single Rite along the way, you get some, uh, interesting dialogue

[charred yacht]

did you just lose every possible battle in the entire ga,e?

i

omg

[vestal bluff]

Volfred gives you a talking-to

[charred yacht]

It'd be funny if he took over and you couldn't control anymore

[pliant sigil]

"you do know we're trying to get out of there right"

[vestal bluff]

Alma, do you still have the screenshot from when that happened to you?

It was great

[young folio]

i think i do

[placid cosmos]

honestly if i didnt put it on the easy difficulty thatd be me

[young folio]

if not i will go hunting for em lol

i went full evil for that run

||i did all the trials.... simply to reject sandra in the end||

[placid cosmos]

I

YOU

[young folio]

also i was rude to everyone all the time

[pliant sigil]

did you escape at the end

[charred yacht]

i,,,,,,,,are you chaotic evil

[young folio]

oh yes

[charred yacht]

Fear

[young folio]

||i manipulated oralech, since he won obviously||

[wide river]

i haven't been quite that level of evil but i have done the "manipulate" outcome

[young folio]

i still have the video of that i think

man its rough. i legit felt so bad when i did it

[placid cosmos]

yall EVIL

[young folio]

listen i wanted to see what would happen!

[placid cosmos]

ive never done an evil run of any game

even undertale i gave up

[young folio]

it was like my third playthrough

i usually dont bc i feel bad

but it was like... fun, in a way

also, i did find them

[placid cosmos]

YIKES

[charred yacht]

volfred is amgry*

[cloud quartz]

OOF

[placid cosmos]

dad does not approve

[cloud quartz]

[pliant sigil]

volfred's face is the cherry on the cake

[young folio]

also i went so out of my way to fail every rite that i planned carefully to not get the no-show

[vestal bluff]

Man, yeah, that's a "son, I'm not mad, just disappointed" if I've ever heard one

[young folio]

oh i have the other conversation too

[cloud quartz]

Oh does it get worse

[young folio]

no the one with sandra

[cloud quartz]

Oh

[placid cosmos]

its gonna make me cry

hit me

[cloud quartz]

oh no

[young folio]

its a lot of screenshots tho bc i have the whole thing, so i might put it in an imgur album

[faint umbra]

Oh, never saw that line. Even during my evil Reader playthrough I did my best to win since I was playing on the hardest difficulty, only throwing the Liberation Rites. So I had succeeded at some Rites when Volfred showed up.

[cloud quartz]

eheu

Damn you guys are crazy

I only ever try to win. I cant bring myself to lose

[pliant sigil]

losing every rite once volfred shows up to pin the blame on him

[young folio]

i wanted to do true nightwing but i didnt wanna like, try to win, so i just made it my all-lose one 🤷

[pliant sigil]

"you tried to have me leave, this is what u get"

[young folio]

achievement hunting while seeing more of the game, i lose in the game but i win irl >:)

[placid cosmos]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328306777609207808/556182716261859343/unknown.png

m-me? no i dont like pyre

[vestal bluff]

💚 Sandra 💚

[placid cosmos]

i would put my favourite game as pyre

but garfield kart

[young folio]

there we go

UGH hold on theyre out of order. sorry

one of the images isnt even loading

[wide river]

i can also share the text but i would not be able to spoiler tag in that case

[vestal bluff]

You can't spoiler-tag code?

||Code||

That seems to work?

[wide river]

huh. i'd never actually tried, i just assumed it wouldn't work

[young folio]

oh

[vestal bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[young folio]

go ahead then dfkjghk

[wide river]

we're talking about ||choosing not to take the orb||, right?

[placid cosmos]

yes

[wide river]

okies

i'll just share the part where that actually happens and not the conversation preceding it bc that obviously doesn't change

||```diff

• Decline, with all respect [The Beyonder Crystal is not your property, nor is Sandra's penance your responsibility.]

• You inform Sandra that, although you very much appreciate her offer, and value her service to you and the Nightwings, you cannot accept.
• The Beyonder Crystal was never yours to take, and belongs to the Nightwings. And Sandra's penance is not yours to judge, or change.
• You wish her well.
• She absorbs all this, betraying no emotion.
  “...Very well, then, Reader.”
  “I knew the proposition was absurd. But, in my place, I felt that I had little left to lose.”
  “Thus, I shall consider our relationship to have come to its inevitable end. There is nothing more that I can do for you, and nothing you would do for me.”
  “I have dealt with many of your Nightwings in my time, but, for whatever it is worth, I wish for you to know... I liked you better than the rest of them.”
  “You knew when to shut up.”
  “Now, then... goodbye. And, may you crush your last remaining adversaries under heel, as surely I would have.”
• She is gone.... The Beyonder Crystal is inert.

• (if you attempt to use the Beyonder Crystal after this)

• The Beyonder Crystal is inert. When you attempt to reach out to Sandra, she does not respond as once she did.

sorry for the Giant Black Box

[placid cosmos]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/481330306838691841.png?v=1

[young folio]

just letting you all know that to this day ||"There is nothing more i can do for you, and nothing you would do for me."|| just absolutely crushes me

i have literally lost sleep over this line

[vestal bluff]

Sad Sandra is really tough to hear for me too, for some reason

It's well set-up by ||"in my place, I felt that I had little left to lose."||

[cloud quartz]

cries

Why did i choose to read that

[young folio]

wait guys, a new development, i now have an emoji to express the emotion when reading this specifically:

[placid cosmos]

oh my god

[cloud quartz]

no

[placid cosmos]

do u think,, sandra is in the orb in zagreus's room

and if so is she like the LET ME IIIIN meme but LET ME OUUUUUT

[young folio]

i need to hear that interaction lol

or sandra and achilles both trying to train zag and having arguments over how things should be done hahaha

[onyx forum]

i know what its like to be trapped, sandra

YES

[wide river]

do you? do you REALLY?

[onyx forum]

[vestal bluff]

*sorb*

omg

[young folio]

zag: is not resigned to his fate, still trying to escape
sandra: you are like a little baby. watch this

[placid cosmos]

she pulls receipts of all 473 years shes been in there

[young folio]

i think its close to double that kdfjghk

[pliant sigil]

"you kinda start getting mad around the 82nd year"

yeah wasnt it more??

[young folio]

i guessed shes been there a thousand years and she was like "actually yeah its coming up soon" and i was like H?

its in the 800s

[placid cosmos]

837

whoops

i knew there was a 7 and a 3

[pliant sigil]

https://i.imgur.com/GaLbJRW.jpg

[next hare]

Sandra was probably tied for my fav character from the game with Gilman.

[placid cosmos]

i,, didnt like gilman

[cloud quartz]

lmao me neither

well

i liked him, but not nearly as much as i liked the other characters

[placid cosmos]

okay same

[cloud quartz]

tbh i left him in the downside rip

[placid cosmos]

i wish i liked him more

same

[fading nebula]

Sandra is probably my favorite character of the game. And since Pyre is my favorite SGG game, that's meaning something

[heady karma]

Jodi, Pam, and Doggo where mine

[cloud quartz]

if i had to pick then sandra is definitely my fav, but pam is a close second

and rukey is a close 3rd

lmao, i really do love all the characters (except gilman rip)

[spark cloud]

[cloud quartz]

i do like him! just not as much as everyone else

[fading nebula]

Never really liked rukey, sadly. Or at least not enough. But really liked pam, gil and absolutely loved ti'zo

[spark cloud]

[cloud quartz]

[vestal bluff]

Are y'all talking personality, or, like, within the Rites?

[fading nebula]

The sad part is that I can't play the game anymore. My first and only playthrough was so perfect, so deeply emotional that I can't bear to change it

Personality

[cloud quartz]

same

and yeah i was talking bout personality

ive only played pyre once and i plan to replay it when ive almost forgotten most of what happens in the game

[vestal bluff]

OK, this is something I just don't get, I guess - there's a whole tonne of possibilities out there, all the opportunities to see how stuff unfolds in a different way, that drove me to make multiple playthrus

[cloud quartz]

yeah, i understand you failer but i cant really do that lol

[placid cosmos]

gilman is fun to play as

[vestal bluff]

Like, after I finished it the first time, I just sat there for a half minute after the credits, and then I'm like, "OK, I must do that again"

[cloud quartz]

i was crying when i beat it lol

[fading nebula]

I needed an entire day to metabolize all that happened, and after that I wrote a "thank you" mail to SGG. Never, ever done this before. Never

[vestal bluff]

Yeah, I finished it at like 3 in the morning, so I didn't start again right away

But, like, that was what made me join up on this server

There had to be people who loved it the same way, I thought

And here y'all are

[fading nebula]

[cloud quartz]

[fading nebula]

Anyway, it seems to me that pyre is the least appreciated of the 3 games made by SGG. Is this just a wrong feeling or is it actually plausible?

[vestal bluff]

I believe it's sold the least out of the three, yeah

[cloud quartz]

its too different from other games to be popular

[fading nebula]

That's so sad... I loved it with such an intensity that made me "emotionally drained" for a week

[cloud quartz]

i feel you. i still tear up whenever bound together starts playing

[vestal bluff]

Strands in a braid, 'til the end!

[fading nebula]

[vestal bluff]

Yeah, what a fantastic soundtrack

I listen to all the various Never to Returns (Nevers to Return?) on shuffle every now and then

[cloud quartz]

pyre also has my fav ost out of all the sgg games

[fading nebula]

True

[vestal bluff]

Right there with ya

Glorious Tradition might be my favourite game song, ever

[fading nebula]

But actually the one that always get to me is In the Flames

Don't know why, but I adored it

*adore

[cloud quartz]

crap, i dont have a fav pyre song. night howlers and never to return is up there. oh and the old ways

i love all the songs

[fading nebula]

It's difficult to not love Master Korb

[vestal bluff]

The Celestial KOrb

[fading nebula]

[cloud quartz]

he's in my top 3 fav video game composers

[fading nebula]

And in my Top 1

XD

[young folio]

okay tbh

I didn’t like Gilman either when I first played

but on subsequent playthroughs I started to like him just as much as the others

[vestal bluff]

THIS KNIGHT IS OVERJOYED

Honestly, my first impressions of everyone were really positive

[spark cloud]

i'm not head over heels for gilman but i appreciate him and i'm fond of him

[vestal bluff]

Even, like, the opponents, for the most part

[spark cloud]

initially the honour and glory thing might seem a little one note but as the game goes on you get a sense of his internal struggles with it

and also how fantasy race roles like 'this is the designated proud warrior guys race' affect individuals like him

[vestal bluff]

Pyre takes a few different looks at this trope that I quite like

Deluge and Gilman for a start, but there's an angle to Pam and Tam too that's kinda similar

'Cause to some extent, the Harps are also supposed to be Proud Warrior Race Guys

[fading nebula]

Just as the bogdwellers are all "crazy" sorcerers, dwelling in dark arts

[placid cosmos]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/366647747949887500/556487867296251945/unknown.png

sorry origin steam got me first

[wide river]

"spells"

i mean, technically....

[placid cosmos]

also rukey getting cut off

poor guy

jodi is Very pretty

[wide river]

damn right she is

[placid cosmos]

i wish id kept her around longer so i could have gotten to know her better

but.. i felt so awful she'd been in the downside so long

[young folio]

you can always play again

[fading nebula]

You and me both, Syd. Couldn't bear to let her stay more time

Had to make her go first

[placid cosmos]

i really wanna play again

but im Weak and struggle replaying games

[fading nebula]

Who do you left behind, in the end?

[placid cosmos]

the moontouched girl bertrude and gilman

i wanted to pick the people who would be most okay with staying

[fading nebula]

I left bertrude, wolfred, ti'zo and the reader

[placid cosmos]

volfred deserves the world

[fading nebula]

I won the last rite but decided to concede freedom to the demon doctor

[placid cosmos]

aw

[fading nebula]

He was deprived of his rightful reward long ago

Had to make that right

My only regret was Sandra

I wanted so bad to free her

[placid cosmos]

oh yeah,,

i Love sandra so much

[fading nebula]

Me too

I wonder if sonebody had the malice to sold the orb

*somebody

When I saw that it was an option I almost screamed. You CAN'T let her go! She's amazing

[warm inlet]

me and sandra stayed together forever

my orb wife ;u;

[lime mural]

mine was jodariel

sad i didnt know that once i was at the end i had to let people go ..>

[fading nebula]

That's sad, but predictable. SGG always makes bittersweet endings

[uneven coyote]

https://www.chrono.gg/ PYRE for 8 usd. Good deal

[placid cosmos]

everytime i hear in the flame i get reminded of the time i made a vocaloid sing it

and she couldnt say illuminate

it was so cute

[mild falcon]

owominate the signs

[placid cosmos]

YEP PRETTY MUCH

[fading nebula]

Ahahahah that's great

[placid cosmos]

i really should finish that project

[fading nebula]

Which one?

[placid cosmos]

i mean- im doing both the vagrant song and in the flame

i just. need to finish something

[fading nebula]

Actually I don't really like vagrant song.

Never really hit me

[faint umbra]

Heresy, Vagrant Song is awesome.

[placid cosmos]

i agree!!

its ok that you dont like it tho

music is subjective

[sturdy cove]

For those interested, Pyre is $8 on Chrono .gg!

Oh snap, cookie dough got there before me lol

[stray jolt]

just realized dread design is 15/8 (or 5/4 with triplets whatever floats your boat)

darren korn pulls another sneaky music trick on me

[mild falcon]

Dread design is my favorite because of the difference between regular and acoustic

[stoic junco]

Huh.

I have recently decided to try and make a version of Never to Return for a triumvirate from a text RP I'm participating in.

It is a hard job. Not because I lack skills, but because it is a long work.

Well, I wouldn't try and make the music, I'm not good enough with that. But I should at least come up with the base instrument (like the auto-harp for the Fate or a harpsichord for the Chastity) and a general idea of a melody before asking my friend to turn the acoustic Never to Return into something decent.

Also, lyrics are hard to come up with due to the weak understanding of what the Awakened represented (aside from the general idea). And I have no one to try and sing Ashley's part of the song...

[sonic merlin]

The top comment for Dread Design is the best thing ever, by the way. "When you want to revive an eldritch horror being by slam dunking everyone you come across"

[pure willow]

15/8 time signature!?!

i knew something was funky but damn

prog intensifies

[stoic junco]

Dread Design is not in 15/8. It is either in 16/8 (which is probably not a notation used) or 4/4 (which makes more sense). Even if you listen to the sound of the tube (or whatever is the deep instrument), it has four 3-note sequences followed by a 4-note one. Which adds up to exactly 16 beats.

[stray jolt]

huh, listening to it again, you're right

it was hard for me to hear that last eighth note, so that may be why

[upbeat sage]

Depends on the groupings

Anything over 8 implies the quavers are grouped into 3's where possible

So it's would either be 12/8 or 4/4 in that case

[stray jolt]

nah it's definitely 4/4 with a 33334 subgrouping

there are definitely 16 notes in each bar, which if we count each (33334) as one bar, would actually 16 sixteenth notes

[upbeat sage]

It could also be alternating between 12/8 and 2/4 depending on where the accents lye

Since that's something that should be considered

[stray jolt]

That'd be a more technical time sig for it, but a syncopated 4/4 is infinitely easier to understand

Like why a subgrouping of 332 isn't considered 8/8, because 4/4 is easier to work with

[upbeat sage]

Easier for most to understand sure
I just like technical details

So knowing exactly where the downbeat is helps me

[stray jolt]

asides, 332 and 33334 are definitely the most common groupings, besides the obvious 2222

oh i getcha

[stoic junco]

@upbeat sage

It could also be alternating between 12/8 and 2/4 depending on where the accents lye.

It can, yes. But it is too much hustle to write it as such if a more simple and more constant notation is also fitting.

[upbeat sage]

Very very true

I did consider that as an option

Music is a lot of fun

[stoic junco]

Now to figure out the time signature of one piece of Scourge of the Furies... Darren's notation there is... Powerful.

It sure is!

[mild falcon]

Scourge of the Furies

[stoic junco]

Why have you repeated the name?

[mild falcon]

i meant to put a question mark there

i dont know the hades soundtrack yet

i assumed you were naming a pyre song

[young fjord]

It's the latest addition to the Hades OST

[stoic junco]

Aye

[young fjord]

Finally got around to finishing my first playthrough of Pyre

[stray jolt]

nice! how was it?

[young fjord]

I loved it! Great game

[stoic junco]

What happened to Oralech?

[young folio]

he died but he’s ok

[onyx forum]

hes hanging out with volfred theyre chilling

[stoic junco]

I was asking @young fjord

Also, where's Meg?

[young fjord]

My Oralech took a long fall

[stoic junco]

Her sisters are all here...

[young fjord]

If you want to talk about Meg, though, you should head over to #h1-story-discussion

[stoic junco]

@young fjord
Since it's a first playthrough... Kind of expected.

I know. I was mentioning Alma and Kamila's new profile pictures.

[young fjord]

Ah, I see. I have my desktop Discord set to compact, so I don't see the profile pictures unless I click on names

[zinc tinsel]

Hey guys I just finished Pyre and been hunting for Platinum trophy on PS4. The hardest one is Scribes' Champion which requires me to win with 12 titan stars in Campaign. After many failures, I did it but didn't get the trohpy

I'm playing on Hardened difficulty

Anyone else get the same bug? :/

[spark cloud]

rip

you can cheese that achievement though

if you just turn on all the titan stars in the rite where the other triumvirate doesn't show up

counts for the achievement apparently

[zinc tinsel]

Oh yeahhh

But how do you know which rite is that one? xD is it random?

@spark cloud

[spiral osprey]

Pretty sure it's the one normal rite you have before the last liberation rite

Sometimes the other team just doesn't show up

Not sure we ever worked out what the factors are

Because sometimes the other team will show up, but most of the time they won't

[upbeat sage]

I'm sure it was figured out

[spiral osprey]

Like, maybe, I'm just saying that the circle of script-divers I hang out with never bothered to untangle what causes it

[upbeat sage]

I think it's something to do with not having any unresolved conflicts with the opposing team or something to that extent iirc

[spiral osprey]

yeah, probably

[zinc tinsel]

@upbeat sage Sorry could you explain what you mean?

And cheers for the answers everyone. I'm halfway through my True Nightwing campaign 😄

[spiral osprey]

The teams all have interactions/conflicts with members of the nightwings

Udmildhe and Bertrude, for example, or Rukey and Barker

if you've cleared all those convos for the team that you happen to be facing at the last normal rite before the last lib rite, then the team will forfeit the match

Maybe

[zinc tinsel]

Maybe

[upbeat sage]

That's what I was thinking Ven

[heavy hill]

hey this is going to sound weird but how do I modify the dialogue in pyre

[vestal bluff]

There are a bunch of xml files in the game’s data. You can open them up with your text editor of choice and have at it!

[spiral osprey]

oh i was going to answer this when i woke up and forgot gdfjgd ok gimme a sec

Pyre>Content>Game>Text>Events.en.xml contains the majority of the dialogue in the game

Keywords is mouseover text and help text is usually descriptions, passages from the Book, etc.

If you want to make changes to the order or way dialogue is presented, that's in Pyre>Content>Scripts>NarrationData.lua

all are editable with notepad

[mild falcon]

I wonder how hard it would be to write a pyre like?

There's the main story beats, and then some number of characters, each with an arc

The difference being that the arcs need to be able to happen in different orders

And there's probably some other stuff that pyre does to smooth the edges

[tough hinge]

The answer is Very Hard aha

You also have to consider some arcs are on the same tier of presedence- there’s about 8 different ways the story/dialogue can go even after your first liberation rite. The amount of dialogue to write gets pretty large pretty fast.

[wide river]

fun fact: there are a couple of events where, depending on who is still present in the group, one of three characters can take part

oralech’s appearance before he ambushed you in the wagon is one of them

(the three characters in question: tariq, volfred, hedwyn)

[wooden vessel]

About to start my second playthrough, wish me luck!

Sidenote - it makes me sad that this is the only Supergiant game not on Switch. It is my favorite by far, more people need to appreciate it! But I know I'm preaching to the choir.

[lavish ridge]

tbh multiplayer pyre is the reason why pyre belongs on the switch. hopefully it’ll make it there eventually. i think the switch will be around for a while.

[heavy hill]

super hecking late but thanks ven

[fiery umbra]

Hey is there a general consensus on which wiki people prefer for Pyre? These are the 2 ones I've found, and they are both very lackluster. I have all the data needed to upload pics and descriptions for all masteries, items and equipment, so where would people want it? c:
https://pyre.fandom.com/wiki/Pyre_Wiki
https://pyre.gamepedia.com/Pyre_Wiki

[young folio]

gamepedia is used for Hades, so maybe there?

[fiery umbra]

yeah I now realized I can see the amount of pages on each wiki, and gamepedia has like 10x the amount, so I'll definitely put it there when I have the time later :) Since it seems to be used way more

[thick carbon]

The scribes wrote mr brightside

[lavish ridge]

i'm down for this theory

[spiral osprey]

mr downside

[thick carbon]

ghcffhbh how did I miss that

[spiral osprey]

you should not aspire to my levels of clowning

[thick carbon]

it started out with a book and I was doing just fine

[lime mural]

i love this

[onyx forum]

mr downside...down me a side.....

[lime mural]

mr down side, please tell us why

you had to exile us down here (down here)

[spark cloud]

🎵 Coming out of my cage
And I've been doing just fine
Exiled to the downside
Because I learned to read

[lime mural]

god yes

[zinc tinsel]

It started with a rite
How did it end up like this?

[next girder]

*Mister Justice, please tell me why
You exiled us, sent to the downside

Was it the script, that pushed the cage over?
Was it the thought that Harpy wars were done oh*

[stoic junco]

Rhythm in the second line is off, but overall - decent.

[sharp willow]

Sounds correct in my head... I guess it's all in how you space the syllables, but overall - random critique unwarranted.

[rare garnet]

I've been thinking back to Pyre a lot recently. It's been so long since I played it, and honestly, it's a game that feels very personal to me. Mostly because it was designed to be, I guess. It's the type of game that makes you go 'I hope I made the right choice', and yet.... it's also the only game that I've felt NO desire to replay. Those two thoughts seem very conflicting, but Pyre... I don't know. I made those choices. That was my story. There's no redoing, in my eyes, because I feel like it might lessen the impact.

[young fjord]

That's fair, and I understand completely

I thought I might replay Pyre for more paths after I finished my first playthrough just recently, but I think I might just live with my choices as well. The emotional investment was real

I also felt the same about RiME. I could've gone back to find stuff I missed, but the way the game plays out I just couldn't bring myself to break the narrative

[rare garnet]

Agreed!!

[young fjord]

Did you play RiME as well?

[rare garnet]

Yeah! It's so pretty!! I work with UE4 a lot and I really appreciate their style. I took a really slow pace in that game and just staaared.

[young fjord]

I feel like it's been so rare for me to actually encounter others who have played it. I can think of maybe one of two. But I always recommend it! I was wrecked when I finished it, though

[rare garnet]

Yeah, it's up there on my List for sure. There's a game that caught my eye recently called Sea Of Solitude. It reminded me a lot of Rime and it's definitely on my radar for visual aesthetic alone. Rime surprised me by delivering more than just beautiful vistas. I hope SoS does as well.

Irregardless/Regardless, Pyre has a special place in my heart few games manage to reach.

[young fjord]

Indeed

[granite canopy]

Doing my essay on Julius Caesar for English and there is a LOT of stuff that makes me think of Pyre, makes me wonder if it was an inspiration for it

a lot of the stuff about Mark Antony seems very... rites-y

'Here comes his body, mourned by Mark Antony, who, though he had no hand in his death, shall receive the benefit of his dying, a place in the commonwealth,'

I imagine that Shakespeare had a decent influence on a lot of the stuff in the book of rites, but some of the terms like commonwealth, rites, etc seem similarly rooted in Shakespeare's work

[onyx forum]

shakespeare wants what pyre has

[next girder]

Dark Supergiant give us the forbidden Pyre reference material

[heady karma]

Thought you where talking about the singer for a second

[radiant spoke]

Just got my Ti'zo plush ❤

[lavish ridge]

isn’t it the best???

mine is sitting on my desk at work

[radiant spoke]

It issss ❤

[tender flare]

Skreeeee-haaawk

Ti'zo is amazing
But then again, so is everyone else

[radiant spoke]

You're not wrong!

[mild falcon]

Tizo was the mvp of all my games

[tough hinge]

Anyone else have days where you listen to In the Flame, get to the bridge, realize you haven't appreciated the song fully and start it over, times 3

[vestal bluff]

This has happened to me whilst listening to all the Nevers to Return on loop

(Which y'all should do [Black Mandolin's on Spotify {And Bandcamp}])

[dusk current]

(And if you've purchased the Pyre album in any form you can email us with proof of purchase and we'll send you codes to own them.) 💃

[tender flare]

The mvp of all of my games was Royce Bracket, although Ti'zo is definitely up there

[lavish ridge]

royce is my favorite nightwing

[onyx forum]

what was it from that prepyre sketch caption? the camerata's pyre shines bright?

[tender flare]

Royce is too OP to just be confined to one game, you see

[tough hinge]

I can't find the camerata sketch but here's team red: http://fav.me/dbhy8f9

[thick carbon]

the first thing I thought when I clicked that link was WHAT DID SHE DO TO RUKEY

This one https://twitter.com/0jenzee0/status/890754267333525505?s=21

Jen Zee (@0jenzee0)

NOT DONE YET. The Camerata's #Pyre burns bright!

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[spark cloud]

sybil would be a kickass harp in the pyreverse

[mild falcon]

Sybil's umbrella as a talisman

[tough hinge]

clucker is imp

[blissful trench]

man I gotta like... I have the first chapter of a Transistor/pyre cross and that's about it XD

and yes Sybil is a harp

bc fluffy blonde harp 😊

[heavy hill]

supergiant: into the pyreverse

[onyx forum]

https://daekie.tumblr.com/post/184426388630/on-all-levels-except-physical-im-tenderly-holding me but with imps

on all levels except physical i am tenderly holding an imp in my arms and his name is ti'zo the wise!!!!!!!!

[thick carbon]

thinkin about how celeste says "cap tain jo DARIEL"

[onyx forum]

its the love and admiration...

i love the way they sing everyones names and how much feeling must b packed in hhh

[spark cloud]

TI'ZO THE WIIIIIIISE

[thick carbon]

ALSO the way they each have their own little instrument theme is 👌

Bertrudes tubas knocked me out and stole my wallet

[onyx forum]

when they sing abt pam and u gotta do that little shoulder shake for a moment.....

[thick carbon]

Tariq is singing about bertrude while Celeste blows a tuba behind him

HGFVVF the SHAKE

They just have all these instruments in a pile in front of them

[onyx forum]

swiss army lute

pops out with tiny instruments

[spark cloud]

those giant carnival multi-instruments

pedal powered

[lavish ridge]

game theory: tariq just has like

mary poppins pockets with all his instruments in them

[thick carbon]

pulls out a whole church organ

[spark cloud]

tariq has many talents

[onyx forum]

tariq has infinite hands

[thick carbon]

oh to get a tariq hug...

[mild falcon]

Y/n X tariq:
Chapter one:
Tariq gives you a big hug with his strong soft arms

[lavish ridge]

imagine a tariq handshake with that many hands

which one would you high five

[onyx forum]

thank u tariq for your soft strong hug....

ALL OF THEM

[median rivet]

Today I showed Pyre to my coworker and it made me so happy they all seemed to like it :) I deeply love this gape cause its more about your losses and mistakes than about your choices and victories. >w<

[onyx forum]

hey yknow at the very end where tariq offers u a handshake....i take it and pull him into a hug

[lavish ridge]

awwwww

wholesome

[thick carbon]

Give him the “I acknowledge u bro” backslap as u do

[onyx forum]

the 'i dont ever want to let go of you' back of shirt grab

the 'oh god celeste is gonna be mad if your cape is wrinkled' smoothdown

[thick carbon]

Celeste “WHO TOUCHED THE BOY” Pyre

[lime mural]

wow has anyone else seen a streamer switch difficulty to heightened at the Milithe Rite thinking they were hot stuff, then raging a quiting? lol

doesn't make for a very good stream xD

[young fjord]

[lime mural]

Heightened is clearly not the difficulty for learning the mechanics lol

[spark cloud]

heightened, all titans, imps only, final rite

[lime mural]

As soon as he started complaining about the delay between switch characters I knew we were headed to saltsville

[spark cloud]

uh oh sounds like someone needed to git gud at their attitude

[lime mural]

yeah I was really excited to see him enjoy Pyre, but he literally rage quit at the first Milthe Rite, oh well

[young fjord]

Unfortunate

[spark cloud]

i assume he restarted lost rites?

[lime mural]

oh yeah he played that rite for about an hour

slowly building his rage bar

[spiral osprey]

that's....so much, dude, just turn it down and have fun

[spark cloud]

or literally just. continue

[spiral osprey]

OR JUST CONTINUE ur right of course jan

[spark cloud]

one of the few games that lets you continue a loss in a narratively interesting way

[spiral osprey]

it barely even penalizes you that much

[lime mural]

yeah that's what I told him! lol, then someone in chat started talking about how fair and balanced the AI in Pyre is and that set him off lol

Heightened is a lot of fun, after you've beaten the game lol

[spark cloud]

this is the definition of ruining your own fun

[lime mural]

Yeah =/ and he's pretty adamant that the game is SG's worst, overhyped, etc.

he really sabotaged it himself though

he straight up turned off the stream lol, dunno when he'll be back

I thought usually people thought the game was too easy at first

so that was very unusual for me

[young fjord]

At first it does seem pretty easy

[spark cloud]

withdrawn can be a difficulty spike though

cause of the two imps

at first you're probably just used to being able to outrange everyone with bigger auras

and then suddenly two boom happy imps

[thick carbon]

that’s why aj has to wish u luck

he KNOWS about the imps

[lime mural]

yeah this was before that when you get like -3 hope for everyone before the fight, so there was lots of 3 banishments and controller dropping while they scored lol

[spiral osprey]

local man digs hole, lowers himself into it, complains that it's dark down there and he can't climb out

[spark cloud]

there was one character not affected by the -hope

i forget who it was tho

[lime mural]

it's right after you get Tizo, so maybe him?

[spark cloud]

yeah i wanted to say tizo but then i was like hmm isn't it bertrude but then wait you don't have bertrude at that point yet or do you

[lime mural]

yeah it's your first fight against her, like 2 hours into the game

[spark cloud]

generally i like that the game has all these balances and pushes to make you play different character but the only one that was ever kinda grating was banishment sickness

[young fjord]

I agree on the sickness

[spark cloud]

like that made my "ah this game is telling me what to do how dare" petulance go off

i think if it only activated when you overuse a character, and made it textually clear that it's a consequence of repeated strain, then it wouldn't feel so random

[spiral osprey]

yeah

[spark cloud]

might make you feel sad about treating your friends poorly though

[young fjord]

Yeah, I thought maybe that was the case when Jodi got it, but then a bunch got it later that I didn't even use much and it made no sense

[spiral osprey]

in general the use of rng in pyre was a little unfocused imo

and had a tendency to get in the way of the narrative

[spark cloud]

yeah sometimes your whole trium gets banishment sick after a rite and it's like what i just used you

[lime mural]

Yeah I get that through playthroughs it adds something different, but yeah if it was just more clear cut communicated to you it could still add that little layer of strategy

[heavy hill]

I only ever had banishment sickness happen once per playthrough, but honestly I might be misremembering

[young fjord]

It happened at least twice on my only playthrough

Once was just Jodi, and then there was another where it was like 3 of the characters

[stoic junco]

I want to partake in the salty bounty. Who was that streamer?

Also... This guy didn't just insult Pyre for being overhyped. It has the lowest fanbase from all SG games as far as I can see.

[heavy hill]

yeah its never really mentioned when people say supergiant, even the Hades trailer overlooks it

[young fjord]

It's a bit funny, being that it's generally well received. Despite that, it only has maybe a quarter of the player base as the previous games from what I can find

[spiral osprey]

i think it suffers in part from the disconnect between the types of people who usually enjoy sports games vs the types of people who usually enjoy visual novels

they end up working together, generally speaking, but if you don't like one or the other it'd be easy to think it wasn't the game for you without giving it a try

[young fjord]

That's fair

I think it's a case of a great game with a smaller target audience than the others

[spiral osprey]

i do think it has a sort of....awkward feeling to it, and this is obviously just my personal ~thing~
it was a lot of different firsts for sgg, first time having a cast that big and that developed, especially

without the experience from pyre, hades might be a lot less solid than it is, so i can appreciate pyre as a learning experience

[young fjord]

I appreciate that it was a learning experience for them (everything is, to an extent), it's still one of my favourite games though

[spiral osprey]

and you are extremely valid

[young fjord]

I'm just a sucker for games with an emotional punch

[spiral osprey]

RNG is such a tricky thing to work with, especially in narrative-driven games

[spark cloud]

cries in no official sahrian guide

[spiral osprey]

if hades hadn't come out i'd still be working on the codex, maybe, but as it is..............

[spark cloud]

i know this is off topic i will move channels if this becomes a whole off topic discussion but there was some recently out game about being an archeologist and figuring out an ancient language

though i don't know if it's.... "linguistically interesting" or just a matching puzzle

[spiral osprey]

(cries in d'ni numerals)

honestly it's an achievement that voice lines were selected in such a way that the player usually does come out the other end with a few words of sahrian

[spark cloud]

still i think it's a futile project to decipher it without translations to match up

[spiral osprey]

yeah, grammar's basically out of the question

[spark cloud]

we can get a bunch of vocabulary but the grammar is totally impenetrable

[spiral osprey]

words are doable to an extent

grammar would be doable if there were any full sentences at all in the game but there aren't, they're all fragments

there are "quips" in the voice files that weren't used but then we have the opposite problem of not knowing what those mean

[spark cloud]

goddd my conlang itch is in full swing can you just believe there's this entire language in pyre but no information on it

greg's gummi berry juice secrets

[spiral osprey]

i mean i kinda get the sense that it's not that developed on the other end either

especially once they knew they were only going to use fragments

[spark cloud]

yeah probably

[young fjord]

I seem to recall that Greg did a write up on the language at one point and talked about the process of developing it, didn't he?

I don't recall if it was an AMA or what, I just have a memory of reading about it

[spiral osprey]

He said what inspired it

[spark cloud]

😔 with tears

[spiral osprey]

But he's never like released a full Thing

It's mostly latin-based, with russian and japanese influences

btw these are the transcriptions i have of the "full sentences" of sahrian in the voice files

Shimi ravaganz na maina! Shiru samu sumai!
Insaru bagama, zumag da berumen. Sna doshien!
Lorigas-ta, mazu losidem ori zladigo sharagaba.
Ishmagu mazu, koliabadem shana, morkaba.
Misu kalium, loriosa obomate shinose.
Shna buralem, tere verelios mazu tiros alir.
Komi rangushem ti lifalios, dozirusalios histos.
Piri kalium tosh lu koshti, oboreum et mi tabastos.
Mugrabu gosli, kosha brazilos, shoi sha teliosha bashe.
Zarash liketh, kogra ma lethios, piru zekaleth shmal!
Hobario shwalem, shirastos maza tharium damalantha.
Barathasulem shinulios, shana te se toriolium.
Kere ameos lobitasulem, shoi so shimarantus.
Molkedramelum hoshlametan, kabatharios shinulos ta.```

it has a distinctly different sound than what we get in the game

[spark cloud]

oh

[zn] is...... highly unusual

[spiral osprey]

yeah it is. i didn't have it like that at first but ended up isolating it
obviously the word divisions are arbitrary

[spark cloud]

like, maybe totally unattested in any language unusual but don't quote me on that i vaguely recall my professor saying fricative-nasal clusters are unattested

[spiral osprey]

hmhm

[young fjord]

So what you really want is Greg to secretly send you a link to his spreadsheet with the English-Sahrian translations

[spark cloud]

something something optimality theory something something lingustic universals mutter mutter

yeah why not, make a puzzle out of it

yeah idk i'd split that as lavaganz namini

[young fjord]

To me it sounds like the z is the end of one word and the n is the start of the next

Yeah, what jan said

[spiral osprey]

🤷 i had a reason for splitting it the way i did but i don't remember what it was

(waits 20 years for the codex to open)

[spark cloud]

okay i lied, georgian allows [prt͡skvna]

[spiral osprey]

there are too many words in here and google doesn't like it

[spark cloud]

buuuuut it's using the [n] as the coda so it's like a vowel-y n??

[spiral osprey]

yeah you're probably right idk why i did it like that

"na maina" or "namaina" is a phrase used in several other places

[spark cloud]

i think what i remembered was my prof saying there are no "reverse affricates"

i mean there's clusters like [st] obviously, but no language where they're treated as a single segment

[spiral osprey]

another issue with transcribing sahrian is that uhhh nobody is a native speaker of sahrian and pronunciations are not consistent

like take these two, which are the same line

[spark cloud]

also half the speakers are ethereal otherworldly creatures speaking through 5 different vocal filters

[spiral osprey]

that "samu" is a "samuh" in one reading and a "samoo" in the other

[spark cloud]

the stress is all different too

[young fjord]

That might be what Greg was referring to as different dialects? Would that explain the pronunciation difference? Or you think it's just straight up voice acting discrepancies?

[spark cloud]

like, it's a conlang, so you can just say that it's different dialects.

[spiral osprey]

voice acting discrepancies

there are actual like differences in words and phrasing across characters for sure but pronunciation differences are broadly down to how the actor speaks

[spark cloud]

skri is imp

i declare it so

pokemon rules

[young fjord]

So It Is Declared

[spiral osprey]

they have quirks, which is something you only realize when you've been listening to volfred lines for like. an hour gkfjdgfd
we actually know the word for drive imp,

that's one of the few greg has Told Us

[spark cloud]

yeah it was uhhhhhhhhh

i don't remember

[spiral osprey]

scal-irum

Scal-Irum - Drive-imp, according to word of god, although it’s never been documented in the game.

[spark cloud]

it's like a puzzle but all the puzzle pieces have been painted black and maybe half the pieces are missing

[young fjord]

Ah yes, the great S ◼ r ◼ language

[lone mural]

that's what forced illiteracy will do to a language

[spiral osprey]

Libra, Libraje, Librajem(ta), Libreta, Libralias, Libraritum - Freedom this makes me angry gdkfjgdf

[thick carbon]

i wonder if it's based more in a germanic or latin language

[spiral osprey]

there are too many similar words associated with freedom,

[thick carbon]

i think it's one of the two

[spiral osprey]

latin

[thick carbon]

yeah that makes sense

[spiral osprey]

at least like the vast majority of the etymologies are latin

grammar isn't worth speculating about

[tough hinge]

Language is just Latin but Rebranded^TM

[spiral osprey]

there are germanic roots here and there

like the Beyonders, Genondias

From an Old English/Germanic word, “geondan”, root of words like “yonder”.

[spark cloud]

those are almost definitely case markers

[spiral osprey]

yeah i made a little ~chart~

but we don't have enough examples of other words to fill it out

and that's not even touching on like..............declensions

turns out "freedom" is a word that comes up frequently, in pyre, the game about, escaping from imprisonment and starting a revolution,

[thick carbon]

we've discovered 90% of the sahrian language is the word freedom in different intonations who would've guessed

[spiral osprey]

honestly? yeah

[mild falcon]

maybe sahrian is exactly how it appears in the game

words come from bards, each of them singing their own variation as it fits the tune

communication actually happens through body language or something

the words just serve the tone and indicate the current speaker

[spark cloud]

your words appear in text in a floating scroll in front of you

actually everyone IS literate

[mild falcon]

in reality the scrolls dont have text on them, they have pure meaning inscribed

[wide river]

how dare you mention different pronunciations of sahrian without mentioning jodi’s lisp