I can understand that Bastion is more of an acquired taste. Especially if the way it tells its story isn't something you enjoy, the gameplay is nice but yes, admittedly can't quite keep up with what else is out there today. Both Hades and Transistor are a lot more fluid, more in line with current tastes out there
#bastion
tawdry briar
little parrot
Bastion is still very solid imo, but it definitely feels like it’s aged a bit more than every other SGG game, at least in how gameplay feels
tawdry briar
As a case in point, one may observe that even here nobody has the Bastion flair, it's either All the Games or one of the others 😅
little parrot
Tbf, part of that’s likely bc everyone who really enjoyed Bastion going All
But if you want a similar combat style to Bastion but a bit more updated, Hades’ combat is very smooth, and while it’s also heavy on story, it isn’t quite as heavily tied to the game as Bastion or Transistor
wintry forge
for me bastion feels a bit difeerent because of how the make the characters imo, all of em still has the same supergiant feel to it to an extent hahah
amber kite
TLDR Bastion doesn’t have a dash
And the perspective is closer, which contributes to the slower feeling
tidal echo
I beat bastion!
Amazing
wintry forge
it's pretty good overall
ayyy congratz!
rustic hollow
TLDR Bastion doesn’t have a dash
Yeah, you nailed it lol. The Dash makes Hades soooo much better. Now I wish that Bastion has a Dash, too
warped bolt
It has the roll, at least... which helps a bit...
But yeah, it's a lot slower.
tawdry briar
It does almost make it feel like Bastion wasn't meant to be fast-paced, but sure as heck it still makes the fighting feel frantic when I play it now
tawdry briar
Back in the Bastion though, the world be so zen
rustic hollow
Yeah, I suppose it's a bit slow to leave space for the awesome narration.
ancient cape
what weapons do you guys use for who knows where
the bed
bruh
does no one talk here
zenith smelt
what weapons do you guys use for who knows where
pike/mortar iirc is considered to be the best
ancient cape
for zulf's?
ancient cape
what spirts do u guys use
zenith smelt
uhhh its been ages since I played for real but off the top of my head
bastion bourbon
lifewine
cham-pain
stabsinthe
doomshine
are the best ones from what I recall
ancient cape
ah
marsh haven
yeah, im pretty sure thats correct
ancient cape
k good
marsh haven
I like pike and pistols, but I haven't beaten it yet
ancient cape
oh
halcyon crest
I was hard carried by the mortar
ancient cape
interesting
why mortar?
mortar is the one ranged that i never touched
its high spash dmg could be replaced with rifle with explosive bullets or calamity cannon
halcyon crest
It surprisingly one of the bests
I used it to handle all of the idols mostly becuase it could do massives amount of damage at a decent range
open python
jumping in really quickly before I go to sleep to say machine gun is best gun
tidal echo
You think they mean repeaters?
tawdry briar
not a repeater fan but target-seeking bolts is nice 😐
distant escarp
repeater go brrrrrrrrrrr
ancient cape
not a repeater fan but target-seeking bolts is nice 😐
wait there are target seeking bolts?
reef bobcat
north charm
Theory time
||"Mother, I'm Here" is not Zulf's theme||
||It's actually the Kid's theme||
Evidence:
||1) Listen to the person singing the song, and then listen to the sounds the Kid makes in-game; they sound like the same person||
||2) Zulf's mother is never mentioned anywhere in the game, but we know that the Kid cared about his own mother; he went to work at the Rippling Walls to get his mother money, and from what Rucks says, people don't just work on the Rippling Walls for the funsies; it's very hard work and a lot of people aren't up for it||
||3) The first two verses talk about riding on the wind to return to "home sweet home"; I suspect this is referring to the Kid using the skyways to return to the Bastion at the end of each stage||
tidal echo
Pickaxe is going off with cold hard facts
ruby cairn
also, it's been a while so I may be remembering incorrectly but ||didn't the Kid's mother die/disappear while he was on a tour of duty? To pair with this, the lyrics would be read as the "mother" being absent or deceased||
north charm
This may be the hopefulness in me
But I choose to believe the Calamity didn't cause destruction of the entire world
Just Caelondia and most of the surrounding wilderness
But Caelondia is just one city of many
There are probably others who weren't even affected
The first sign they would get that anything was wrong would be people returning from journeying to Caelondia and reporting that the land was now a massive burning crater
ancient cape
There are probably others who weren't even affected
||perhaps, in the endgame there are a lot of ura||
ancient cape
also, it's been a while so I may be remembering incorrectly but ||didn't the Kid...
||yeah the kid's mom died during his first shift on the rippling walls||
ruby cairn
welp
ancient cape
||"Kid hurried on home when he done his time, turns out his momma's time was done too"||
something like that
ruby cairn
thought so, it's been a while since I played it (and I didn't get through many fo the dreams bc they're hard )
ancient cape
really?
i do dreams with 4 or 5 idols casually
something's wrong with ur spirits probably
ruby cairn
I played the game once through to beat it, didn't jive with it so I didn't do much completion stuff at all
ancient cape
ah rip
cedar patio
i felt like the evac ending where rucks has his new coat was supposed to imply they found other people. bastion is a game with a lot of hope so i think there's a very big possibility of places far enough away to be ok, or at least managing
north charm
Theory time
At Urzendra Gate, you can find a child's drawing
This drawing depicts an Ura with black hair, an Ura with green hair, and, significantly, an Ura with white hair
Now hear me out
Rucks says about the kid that his white hair did him no favors growing up
And it's heavily implied that the Caelondians are somewhat racist towards Ura
What if the Kid is part Ura on his mother's side
And his white hair, an Ura trait, would cause him to be discriminated against
ancient cape
perhaps
north charm
During the Jim Crow era, there were people who used dehumanizing language for mixed-race kids
They'd call them things like "offspring" and "spawn"
So yeah, if the Kid had some Ura genetics, and his white hair was a sign of that, I can totally see people hating him
ancient cape
i thought the ura had black hair tho
distant escarp
||2) Zulf's mother is never mentioned anywhere in the game, but we *know* that t...
||to backup your claim about it being the kids song it also could be the goddess Micia since she is usually referred to as mother by rucks when talking about her. She's basically the creator of Caelondia in the eyes of the people from there||
ancient cape
||the lorn mother?||
distant escarp
yea
ancient cape
||arent all the gods ura or just pyth?||
cedar patio
i think the gods are not specifically ura or cael, they're worshipped by both but in different capacities
dawn finch
My understanding is that the ura take the religious aspect of the gods more seriously, but otherwise they both share the same pantheon. But then again, I hadn't quite unlocked all the idols yet.
ancient cape
||im pretty sure the pyth plush said that the ura feared the gods while the caelondians made them toys and put them on their walls||
ruby cairn
yeah that's what I was thinking
cedar patio
something about bastion i thought about when i first played, but haven't really noticed other people talk about, is that zia's boyfriend was definitely a Cael spy
hollow pilot
Oh, 100%. It just adds to the tragedy.
dawn finch
I do find it fascinating that a non-Ura speaking Ura is such a huge taboo, but honestly I thought Zia's bf was just a racist extremist.
crisp sentinel
I haven't heard her backstory in a while. what exactly happened with her boyfriend?
dawn finch
Short version is ||that he talked her into bringing him home, pissed off her dad to the point of throwing the bf out of the house, talked her into trying to skip town with him, and then turned around and told the guards she was an Ura spy working for her dad to bring Mancer secrets back to the tunnels.||
The fate of the boyfriend himself afterwards is left up in the air, but given the nature of the calamity...
cedar patio
yeah. it seems he wasn't directly tied to the Calamity but he knew about it
cedar patio
through her who knows where iirc
open python
The || cook pot ||, right?
cedar patio
yeah
open python
(that tag is probably safe to click, I'm just being extra cautious)
cedar patio
hey who knows where is early on in the game, i think? it's been awhile since ive played this
ancient cape
ah
i dont remember that much of zia past
or zulf's
i just know the kid's really well
dawn finch
Y'know, its funny. When I played the game I only gained access to the Kid and Zia's backstory stuff, but then after beating it the game mentioned that there were also dream sequences for Zulf and Rucks. Is that a NG+ thing or did I just rush through the game without noticing them?
tropic spruce
I think Zulf's dream is available right before the final level and Rucks' is available in NG+/Score Attack
ancient cape
yeah
north charm
Terminal March is an amazing boss theme
At least, I consider it to be a boss theme considering it plays during every "boss encounter"
Not that the game really has bosses because all the bosses look the same
But I like to use my imagination and pretend there are bosses
Glutus and Glandon are bosses
The Lungblossom is another boss
Sir Lunky is a third
I can't think of any others I would consider to be bosses
tidal echo
The lung blossom feels too easy. If you have the spirit that let's you full heal with each healing bottle you can sit there and repeater it to death. Unless you have idols. Although that is how most of the game work
north charm
Yeah I know, but it feels like a boss encounter
You fight it in a closed arena, and it plays the theme used for dramatic encounters when you fight it
And it also is big and has a lot more health than most enemies
tidal echo
True, it's a s close to a boss as this game gets
north charm
I think the encounter with Glutus and Glandon would have been a lot more memorable if they had unique sprites
Like, they had different clothes than normal Gasfellas
merry oracle
Oh don't forget Queen Anne
north charm
Oh yeah, Queen Anne
How in the hades did I forget about Queen Anne
Bastion is an excellent game
That being said, here are my biggest criticisms
- Weapon balancing
While it is fun to experiment with different weapon combos and modifiers, there are some weapons which are slightly inferior to others
A skilled player can make any weapon work, there aren't any bad weapons
But some weapons, at their most basic unpowered level, aren't all that great
For example, while the Calamity Cannon has the best damage output in the game, it's outshined by other weapons in pretty much every way
And the wild outskirts don't do the Slinger Pistols justice
It's not a good pairing against the enemies in that level
- Enemy sprites
I get that this is an indie game, and they only had so much resources
But I wish there was more enemy variety
But whatever, that's a nitpick
I guess weapon balancing is my only real criticism
tidal echo
And the wild outskirts don't do the Slinger Pistols justice
That, why would you put the fast paced gunslinger pistols in the area where you can only hit enemies once before they close back up, or are generally immune to projectiles.
hollow pilot
so i just finished this game, and i feel like i may have missed something about the story? i was expecting the twist to be that rucks was the bad guy or that he had gone crazy with ambition, but at the end you just fly away with him - did anyone else feel this when playing?
hollow pilot
I loved the game, but I feel like I missed a story beat or two towards the end 
open python
I loved the game, but I feel like I missed a story beat or two towards the end <...
|| There are a few different endings... ||
hollow pilot
||yeah I evacuated but I read that if you reset then nothing happens, is that right?||
open python
|| absolutely no idea! I barely remember how the reset ending went. S'what I get for playing in the middle of the semester ||
That being said, I feel like the "twist" was more along the lines of || the reveal of Rucks as a Mancer, and the Ura turning on Zulf ||
hollow pilot
Yeah I guess in the end ||no one was really good and they were able to meet up over their shared past sins?|| does that sound right at all?
open python
(ending) || Specifically, as you play, it becomes less and less clear which side is good, and I at least started to think the Ura might've been in the right, and they somewhat were, but then they leave Zulf for dead ||
Yeah, that sounds about right
open python
Sure thing ^.^
ancient cape
lol i forgot all about glutus and glandon
the slinger pistols are actually pretty good
the hammer is the only one that is not good
they all have their uses
except for the hammer
chilly oyster
Hammer isn't the worst, Machete is
and w/ 10 idols active, Hammer might be slightly better than Bellows as well
_ _
while the Calamity Cannon has the best damage output in the game, it's outshined by other weapons in pretty much every way
not really, the only problem is that you get it last
you can snipe enemies offscreen w/ it, the fire rate is pretty good for such a damaging weapon, and the auto-aim upgrade is great
for 10 idol runs, big damage hits that work well at long range >>> multi-hit weapons
ancient cape
true, cannon has its uses and can home in
ancient cape
Hammer isn't the worst, Machete is
and w/ 10 idols active, Hammer might be sligh...
why do u think hammer > machete?
rotund berry
I think the only real bad guys are the dudes who activated the calamity
I know it was sabotaged, but they still tried to blow up the Ura
thick pike
tawdry briar
NYA :3
chilly oyster
@ancient cape why do u think hammer > machete?
Hammer is a little bit clunky to use, but works a lot better if you have 10 idols active
1st, you can output a lot of damage in a single attack when fully upgraded (lots of damage upgrades), esp. w/ the charged focus attack (pretty safe too since you charge it w/ the shield)
2nd, you can knockback and stun w/ your attacks while not moving, which is very important for a melee weapon
_ _
Machete does lots of small hits, which just turns enemies transculent fast so you can't hit them, before dealing any major damage
Machete also doesn't knock back and has little range, which sucks big time when all idols are active because enemies deal damage and slow you down when they touch you
you can play a throwing build w/ it, but there's way better ranged options, and Pike does it so much better
_ _
Pike in general is the best melee weapon by far, much better than both Hammer and Machete
good single hit damage (+ crits), knockback on thrusts, ignores armor(!) and can be thrown in case you need it
ancient cape
Yeah pike is really good
open python
Only reason I like thrown machete over pike is because it has a much lower CD
chilly oyster
we had a little bit of weapon talk before (incl. a tier list to kick things off):
#bastion message
real phoenix
setting sail is so touching i
wise fossil
hi
got an issue with bastion
the screen goes black but icons remain when i first meet the Narrator
early
open python
got an issue with bastion
could you try verifying file integrity?
wise fossil
@open python i shall try,, however it never seems to do anything if i try with any game i have issues with
open python
not all issues are caused by or fixed by it, but it's usually worth a try
wise fossil
funnily enough i actually only downloaded Bastion coz i was having that issue with Hades >.<
open python
if you need help with Hades, come by #h1-tech-support , I can help you get that fixed
wise fossil
well, it was fixed ater i sent gavin my files
they did a lil patch i think
ah actually @open python i fixed the screen disapearance thing
it caused a new issue though
controller now wont work
open python
Try disconnecting any controllers you have connected, then reconnecting just that one
wise fossil
ill try now
mint portal
So I recently played through Hades and Transistor on the switch and loved them both. Is Bastion worth picking up too?
onyx elbow
I'd say so, it's a great game and you'll see a lot of both Hades and Transistor in Bastion, while still being its own game
Or more accurately, there's a lot of Bastion in Hades and Transistor
mint portal
Cool, I’ll probably grab it whenever it pops up for sale next.
I’ve read mixed reviews about how “polished” Bastion’s gameplay is compared to everything they’ve made since, so that was my only real concern. It certainly looks like fun.
cedar patio
yeah it doesn't quite have the same finesse as hades but it still holds up well on its own
onyx elbow
Mhmmm, don't go in expecting Hades level of polish. Still a very enjoyable game, though
open python
Bastion is definitely slower than Hades, and without Turn(). However, I still really enjoyed it—the story has a lot of depth, the art is great, and the gameplay is straightforward but detailed
turbid bison
I’m replaying Bastion for the first time since it came out. I don’t think I ever finished Who Knows Where the first time around, but I just did and phew did I miss out on some lore lol
mild cairn
I don't think I can finish idols runs on Bastion without trusty Spear and Carbine.
distant escarp
its such a good combo
mint portal
Guess I’ll be playing this sooner than expected. Bastion and Transistor are on sale again in the Switch e-shop.
distant escarp
nice
hollow wasp
wayment, they're on switch too?
hollow pilot
Everything except Pyre, I think.
mint portal
I’m about one hour in at this point. Best two bucks I’ve spent in a long time.
distant escarp
bruh
it was only $2?
tidal echo
?
distant escarp
was it on the switch or was it on steam
distant escarp
i though it was only $2 on switch
cuz i was thinking of getting it for the switch even though i have it for pc anyways
tidal echo
oh
mint portal
bruh
it was only $2?
I got it on my Switch. It’s actually $3, but I used some of my e-shop “gold” to knock another dollar off that price.
mint portal
Go for it. These games are a steal at that price.
ruby cairn
it's Hammertime
hollow pilot
i've been playing it again (havent played since about 2015 maybe) and i forgot how good it is! doing new game plus
mint portal
So I’m not entirely sure how far I am (just finished the level where you get ||the mortar|| ), but I’m having a blast. Can’t believe I almost dismissed Bastion entirely.
cedar patio
glad you're enjoying!
tropic spruce
2021 is going to be Year of Pyth 
onyx elbow
Gods ain't gonna help ya
mint portal
Anyone else think the soundtrack is dope? I had assumed Hades was Korb’s finest work, but now I’m having second thoughts.
tropic spruce
Anyone else think the soundtrack is dope? I had assumed Hades was Korb’s finest ...
I love Bastion's soundtrack for its "adventurous" feel, most of the soundtracks are memorable. Twisted Streets, Bynn the Breaker, Terminal March, Mancer's Dilemma, just to name a few of my favorites.
onyx elbow
Yeah, all the SG OSTs are great in their own right
cedar patio
all soundtracks are good but bastion is definitely my favorite
tidal echo
Its pyre for me
cold gorge
bastion
lament sedge
transistor
rose heron
pyre
slender dagger
hades
tidal echo
Woah woah woah, we dont do that here
tacit moon
this game costs 2.50 in the nintendo shop for anyone who hasnt played it yet
stuck condor
hmm, this game is on sale , let me buy it
I didn't expect Bastion to be this cool
like cool and chill with the environment, and the soothing voice
gilded pecan
The narrator is greaaat
stuck condor
is he also voiced by cunningham?
wait, he is
no wonder I was like "hey, he sounds like the transistor dude"
....
I'm confused...
hollow pilot
Logan voices Rucks, Mr. Nobody/the Transistor, AJ, and Hades/Homer. Among others, but those are all of the narrator characters he voices.
gaunt flint
logan's voice range is legendary
when I learned he did hades, achilles, charon, the narrator, and poseidon in hades i lost my mind
as well as rucks and the transistor
hollow pilot
In us normies' defense, there is a modulator on the Hades voice.
At least Achilles and the Narrator are him just doing the voice, so he's still S+ tier.
ruby cairn
He was the Archjustice in Pyre too, which is a big departure from his sound in Bastion and Transistor
tidal echo
He was androbolese, wow
stuck condor
Finished!, and holy this game is beautiful
I'm not one for fantasy action adventure , but I liked this one
and the soundtracks are awesome
hollow pilot
Darren's a mad genius.
timber wasp
Happy New Year!
polar mesa
happy new year!
whole valley
Zulwood 
empty narwhal
how does bourbon exist in the bastion universe? doesn't that mean kentucky also exists?
glass gate
ancient cape
😐
native kernel
Explain the gameplay of Bstion to me like i'm 5. Go!
open python
Kid has weapons and blows up stuff
native kernel
wait so is it like a gain money buy things game like clash of clans
stuck condor
nope
takes gems to build town
native kernel
ok explain it to me like i am 12
stuck condor
this kid has his town shattered to pieces, he must rebuild it using gems from different places
open python
Pick up small number of big magic gems
Build town
Blow up other stuff
oh wait I missed the 12 bit
stuck condor
Imagine it like Crash bandicoot, but instead of evil doctor or something , he uses the gems to rebuild his town
native kernel
is it kinda like the contracting system from hades but more refined so they can make it the main gameplay??
native kernel
but that's what i love about hades
stuck condor
And fast-paced
you're comparing Sonic to Super Mario with that term
open python
Hahaha
True
Slower than Hades, no ifs or buts
Though it didn't feel too slow or anything
stuck condor
Hades is way fast imo
ancient cape
child uses weapons of war and liquor to obtain powerful rocks to make a nice town
livid lily
We don't know if he's a literal child or if Rucks just calls him a kid cos he's an old man
stuck condor
idk if y'all picked it up, but the kid lowkey has a deep voice
cedar patio
i mean he did serve almost two tours on the wall, he's gotta be in his twenties
north charm
I'd estimate the Kid is 18
blissful dome
tawdry briar
Kid didn't appreciate all the guessin' 'bout his age. Builders on the wall spent the best years of their lives there, weren't much for talking about age by the time they retired from it.
empty narwhal
the evacuation being the happy ending just seems wrong tbh
just to get your shard so you and your 2 friends can fly away you went and killed probably about 50 more people from the ura
brave jetty
The alternative is possibly turning the entire game into a Groundhog Day-esque time loop
violet valve
I don't think there is a 'happy' ending to bastion at all
The evacuation feels a lot more bittersweet to me
cedar patio
bittersweet endings are really sgg's thing
stuck condor
^
gaunt flint
TRUE
chilly oyster
and they do it so well, tears() 😩
odd oriole
you called
gaunt flint
LOL
shadow dagger
why can't I see the bastion game on my nintendo e-store?
faint saffron
why can't I see the bastion game on my nintendo e-store?
Do you want to redownload it?
shadow dagger
no, I think we don't have it on Brazil lol
I'm learning how to download from another region
faint saffron
oh, okay, yea, that might be the case, that it's not in your region. I'm not sure if downloading from another region is possible...
shadow dagger
really? i'm watching some videos that says it's possible, but they're from like, 2019
open python
is it a download restriction, or a purchase restriction?
faint saffron
That's why I said I'm not sure - never done it, never tried it, never was looking for info about it. Should've said "I don't know if that's possible" 😉
mint portal
I remember you could purchase games from another region on older Nintendo consoles, but no clue if thats still possible on the Switch.
cursive moon
tribal juniper
Hey, does anybody know how to get Discord overlay to work with Bastion?
stuck condor
Settings > game activity > click on the display button to make it appear
tribal juniper
That isn't working
I've turned it on in Discord, but it still won't show up for some reason
open python
might need to toggle fullscreen in-game?
tribal juniper
I'll try that, thanks
stuck condor
the credits
gaunt flint
^same
onyx elbow
Hard to beat Setting Sail, Coming Home... though Brusher Patrol has been my ringtone for ages
stuck condor
I was going to say something about Brusher Patrol
but this comment summed it up for me
ngl I would put it as my discord ringtone
ruby cairn
Brusher Patrl is good. ngl I think my fave is Pale Watchers?
stuck condor
Why does this one sounds like it should have been _a_m_d li_e t_is?
chilly oyster
"Mine, Windbag, Mine" is probably my fav from the OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xW5fEDKrNg
also love "Bottom Feeders"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZD39Ryg6i8
wise loom
My favorite piece is either Mine, Windbag, Mine, Build that Wall, or Spike on a Rail.
livid lily
Build that Wall, Mother I'm Here, and Spike on a Rail for me
vocal nacelle
Setting Sail, Coming Home - but the Mancer's Dilemma is a close second!!
cedar patio
terminal march is a bop
violet valve
@chilly oyster just for future reference supergiant have uploaded the full soundtrack to their youtube channel 
gaunt flint
^^^
quaint trench
tbh i dont know why people love bastion so much
its boring
i have played around 2 hours and
meh its boring af
open python
It's not for everyone—definitely slower than Hades, if nothing else
I enjoying the tactical aspect of it, and the story was interesting
gaunt flint
^^
same
ofc at the end of the day its about opinion and bastion does FEEL slower tbh but its still a great game
story was p interesting as swan said, and the characters and soundtrack are very memorable
chilly oyster
tbh, i think Bastion, while more straightforward than other Supergiant games, is still one of the more complex indie titles when it comes to gameplay
it's fun figuring out weapon combinations and builds that work for you, esp. when it comes to tackling 10 idols / dream challenges
2h isn't a lot of time invested, it takes a while until you're able to see what this game has to offer
it's also really fun to speedrun iyam
stuck condor
is the idols harder than the limiters found in 
?
I've tackled one or two dream challenges but I was quickly deleted
chilly oyster
nah limiters are much more restrictive, so i think they make the game harder overall (even though some function combinations are pretty OP nonetheless)
mint portal
Yeah, I agree, the limiters are more restrictive than the idols. Of course, Transistor is the tougher game overall, I think.
One of the things I greatly enjoy about SG games overall is how deep their game mechanics go. Even in Bastion, which is their simplest as far as gameplay goes, has a bit of strategy as far as choosing your load outs and picking weapon upgrades.
chilly oyster
yeah, you can tell they care just as much about the gameplay as they do about audiovisual presentation and an engaging story
it's all been there from the beginning
tidal echo
Anyone know how much damage stabsinthe deals?
tidal echo
Nevermind dont need it anymore
fossil river
i only now noticed while looking at references that the kid wears goggles while using the calamity cannon
they look like the nightmare vision goggles from that one meme
spare jetty
How would you guys go about doing a 10 idols runthrough of the game on a fresh file? Would you just breeze through the game the first time with no idols, then get them all on the second run, or play through the first run with the limited idols you have, and after you finish it, replay it while adding the new idols on the second playthrough
zenith smelt
if you're going for Maximum Optimization™️ you'd want to activate them all for the minor increase in rewards you get from having the idols on
also because 0 to 10 idols is significantly less of a difficulty leap than [however many you get] to 10
odd oriole
my friend is playing bastion for the first time and she keeps jumping off the bastion... not sure how she'll react when she hears about zulf's backstory
sleek ridge
Finished bastion, and wow... that's one special ending.
||I loved how it was a choice between going back or forwards, and I felt like it was a very fufilling end to the story with the gang going to explore the world||
ebon snow
zenith smelt
except for hurting my pets 🤬 🤬
meager gazelle
Honestly I felt that
warm kite
I reloaded so many times to ||save my pets when Zulf attacked the base.||
||Smh that’s the only thing he did wrong, harmed my pets.||
cerulean jolt
i wish bastion got the same love that hades is getting right now 😔
distant escarp
same but i understand why it its harder to get into now
hades combat is so smooth and easy to pick up but bastion is a little bit more clunkier
cerulean jolt
yeah sure
the moment in bastion when ||the narration switched from omniscient to present-tense and uncertain|| is seared into my brain
what a shift
there's a few moments in storytelling that will stay with me until i die and that is 100% one of them
distant escarp
wait when did that happen
open python
|| the last area ||
sturdy jetty
Bastion got a ton of love when it first came out. People went absolutely nuts over Bastion.
Bastion won so many awards that people were complaining about it.
And it is still generally considered one of the first games to popularize the ‘indie’ genre
meager gazelle
Yeah, I think I saw someone say that it was Bastion and Coma that ended up giving the signal boost to what indie games could be
Either way I’m like 9 years late but I played Bastion and HRK MY FEELS I DIDNT NEED THEM ANYWAYS
I think that it’s especially really cool to see the carried over concepts and game play elements from Bastion to Hades (I’ve only played those two games)
open python
there're a couple things that stay consistent across all of their games 
powershot/cast being the most iconic, I think
stuck condor
||the isometric camera...||
open python
oh definitely, I was referring just to gameplay
meager gazelle
Yeah I noticed the powershot timing stuff, as well as the counter mechanic
meager gazelle
Laughs awkwardly in “was bad at timing”
stuck condor
once thy thing flashes, thy action is cast
meager gazelle
Snskwjksjwjsjs
stuck condor
as to make it for anything that powercast exist in
meager gazelle
Ye
covert owl
hey, shot in the dark: does anyone know how to open the audio files for bastion?
theyre xwb files, and google tells me i need an ancient microsoft program
which i tried but no luck
found some steam guides for opening the files for other games but didnt help
if anyone knows how i can extract the sound work for the game please let me know 🙏
ruby cairn
only audio program I have any familiarity with is Audacity, but idk what formats it'll open
open python
hey, shot in the dark: does anyone know how to open the audio files for bastion?
I'd ask in the Modding server, pinned in #self-promotion . They have a channel for Bastion
rustic parrot
I got all the available Supergiant games after starting Hades since I loved it so much, and just the other night I began my journey through Bastion. One beautiful song sung by Ashley Barrett, ||a fake core||, and a hitless shield proving grounds run later and 6.6 hours was clocked in one night. Safe to say I've got a ways to go, but I'm thoroughly enjoying these games as well as their parent company and community.
open python
Glad you're enjoying it 
rustic parrot
Heck yeah thank ya 
tawny holly
odd oriole
my friend who went through all 4 sgg games played bastion a while back and i jumped straight out of my chair when the ||ura raid|| happened and she screamed "||MY BIRD||"
tidal echo
||NOT THE BIRD||
crisp python
Ugh, ikr, it always hits me. I'd rather ||lose Pyth||
wary sierra
You know when I first bought Bastion i didn't expect to have the ability to get high yet here we are.
open python
hahaha
novel schooner
yall ever just replay bastion at 3am and just smile when you reach the ending
like man i love that game
also i hate the machete proving ground -_-
like every other i can do in a couple tries
but that
crisp python
The pike one was pretty hard for me
shy perch
Yeah, Pike is my least favorite.
spring bloom
pike is ok if you can find the right spot to stand. the repeater one gave me anxiety, though
novel schooner
im tempted to try speedrunning bastion and then i watch the wr and im like "what the hell is he doing to get 2 cores and a shard from cinderbrick ;w;"
onyx elbow
Yeah the speedrun involves some exploits if I remember correctly
novel schooner
"some" it just skips the last chunk of the game
and i mean since i play on switch i might not even be able to do half of the tricks
onyx elbow
Ah, yeah
novel schooner
yk how old is the kid canonically
cuz like 10 years on the walls
- whatever the age req for that is
lime kite
I remember my brother telling me that he's canonically a young adult, it's just he's perceived as a kid by Rucks and so the player's view sees that as well
novel schooner
ah, neat
lime kite
Now I wanna see a fully formed non-chibi version of the Kid
probably would go something like
robust hollow
absolutely hilarious
open python
ahhh I just love that Supergiant's work is often used as a reference for my design lectures, looking at an audio lecture and Bastion comes up for narration
hearty cloud
So anyone else never been able to beat the repeater trial?
jolly niche
Yes
jolly niche
So anyone else never been able to beat the repeater trial?
I found a way to cheese it
hearty cloud
I used the seeking shots and still constantly missed 1
jolly niche
I used the seeking shots and still constantly missed 1
Maybe practice your aim beforehand
also, go ahead from the trial itself for more time to shoot
novel schooner
So anyone else never been able to beat the repeater trial?
i beat it with like 1-2 upgrades, essentially i just stood on the safe platform and shooting whats ahead until i clear those or the new path starts falling
novel schooner
but those 4 endings
zenith smelt
technically 4, I guess
meager gazelle
It took me a hot sec to understand why y’all said 4 endings
I decided to help Zulf on both of my play throughs 😔 I didn’t want to leave him there to die
What happens when you don’t save him?
novel schooner
hes just not there
if you save him and go back you get another drawing or 2 to show what happened to him
and if you ditch him and stay it just skips his shots
like its very slight but i find it enough to quantify as 4 different ending s
meager gazelle
Fair enough!!
zenith smelt
also you don't get the long walk with Mother I'm Here iirc, its just a fight out
hollow pilot
Zolf deserves to be left behind.
If you're extremely compassionate saving him is worthwhile and justifiable, but him sabotaging the Bastion and leaving all of the kid, Zia, and Rucks to die let me leave him to die with zero regrets.
(Babs may fight me for this)
He tried to nuke the one viable savior of the old world out of spite.
He can get stepped on by every member of the Ura I cut through to get out of the Terminals.
open python
I feel like there's an argument to be made that he didn't trust the Bastion
That it wasn't just going to "finish the job" and kill the Ura
hollow pilot
Not trusting Restoration? 100%, eff that.
I might have my terminology off, it's been a while since I've played.
Anyway, not trusting the time reset? Sure.
I'd be suspect in his shoes.
But to blow up the whole damn thing? Nah, he's gone.
lime kite
All i know is that he caused my pets to die, and for that i dont forgive him. I saved him to be the bigger man but it doesn't mean I forgave him
cedar patio
he didn't leave them to die tho? he did mess up the bastion but it's nothing that would've killed anyone. and when he sent the ura he gave the Kid a warning and took Zia peacefully. it was just to kill rucks which i do like rucks but he's a war criminal. the man was complicit in genocide. i don't really get why people are like "Zulf messed up so he should be left to die a miserable death" but rucks is everyone's favorite grandpa because he felt bad about attempting to wipe out an entire race
hollow pilot
My big difference between Rucks and Zulf is that, when faced with the reality of the Calamity, Rucks tried to fix the damage he caused and Zulf threw everyone he could (arguably besides Zia) off a ledge. Until Evacuation, the Bastion is the only safe place left in Caelondia, and Zulf did his level best to destroy it. Warning the Kid doesn't help if the only safe place the Kid has to retreat to is ruined. Warning me that my house is about to get flattened in the middle of the worst cold spell my town has seen in years doesn't help if I don't have another place to shelter.
Yes, Rucks' work on the Calamity is horrifying, but he tried to make it right.
As tragic as Zulf going off the deep end is, he still went off the deep end whereas Rucks didn't pull the trigger.
Actually, I don't think we're ever told explicitly from an objective source who pushed Zia's father to trigger the Calamity. I think Rucks claims that he didn't have a part in it, which of course is an account that can't be fully trusted.
Assuming Rucks did push Zia's father to the breaking point, then he also deserves to go, but that doesn't absolve Zulf of the damage he caused for people innocent of the sins of Caelondia.
spring bloom
Ok, let me put in my two cents on this, because I've got Thoughts. My memory might be a little dim, so correct me where I go wrong.
Zulf spent a large part of his life trying to ease tensions and bring about harmony between Caelondians and the Ura. Devoted his life to it, in fact. He thought he was making some real progress.
Only to realize that his work never really mattered in the first place: all this time, Caelondian authorities were planning the genocide of his people.
Wouldn't that absolutely SHATTER your worldview? Wouldn't it wreck any bit of innocence you have? Wouldn't it make it difficult to know who to trust? How many Caelondians knew about this? How many didn't know about it, but would have been happy to see the Ura gone? How many were lying through their teeth? Zulf sure doesn't know anymore.
What would you expect him to do, with these realizations, in that state? "Oh, sure, I'll help you restore the nation that tried to wipe my people off the face of the earth?" No.
I've never left him behind, and I don't plan to. I'd rather not erase him from the greater narrative, the way Caelondia tried to erase the Ura.
So there it is. 🙂
native kernel
Ok, let me put in my two cents on this, because I've got Thoughts. I don't like the way Zulf/Logan says Caelondia.
stuck condor
you mean the grandad? that is Rucks
spring bloom
like...his accent?
stuck condor
Caelondia, and then he points at you
native kernel
Say, Londia, what are your opinions on Democrat representative Joseph Biden being elected?
Like Londia is a name
Idk it fits better as asmr than a narration
i mean Logan's smooth voice is perfect for asmr but yeah
merry oracle
Caelondia is the city, they're pronouncing it like it's meant to be pronounced-
The pronounciation is purely phonetic
What, you you prefer kAlE-oNdIa?
shy perch
Hot take: It should be See-lawndia
native kernel
The pronounciation is purely phonetic
i know it's pronouced that way but it seems like a dnd character name
what is this difficulty spike?
3 minute levels to 20 minute level that tease you with enemies until the end where they throw you into a bullet hell that drains all of your tonics and then you die after playing for 30 minutes because that last part at the end of the level last forever then you lose 30 minutes of progress.
i was really liking the game until it makes you play osu and touhou at the same after 30 minutes of normal gameplay just to upgrade a building that gives just more crap to do.
5/10 because i'm too bad to finish the game to form an actual opinion.
hearty cloud
Not trusting Restoration? 100%, eff that.
Did he even know what the bastion did?
We know he learned about the calamity's cause but not what the bastion did
I think he attacked the bastion because he saw it as the last reminents of the people who tried to distroy his people
spring bloom
that's true. i don't think rucks knowing about the whole genocide plan helped matters either
cedar patio
maryam you really said what i have wanted to say but couldn't put it into words so thank you
also re: resto ending: it's like. not really a good idea actually. because, we don't know how far it goes back. to fix what's happening you would have to go back a lot farther than just before the game started. the issue is not one man blew up the world, the issue is deep-seated racism on the cael's part that would push them into make a weapon that would wipe out an entire race to begin with
this isn't something that can be fixed by just not having venn blow the world up
or trying to not have him blow up the world. this is something that goes back a lot farther
hearty cloud
Yeah
Reset ending just is kindof pointless
Also what do people think about the whole ||rucks is the kid from a previous reset|| theory?
normal wind
when i opened up the game, there was a weird line going diagonally through my whole screen. anything i can do to fix this?
cedar patio
i think the rucks is kid theory has merit because there is a big time travel aspect to the game & the kid + rucks have a very similar character design going on, but i'm sort of like. i don't know how about the whole genocide component. kid in canon is very compassionate and very much wants to help people which really, goes against genocide, but rucks was ok with genocide
hearty cloud
The thing is rucks would be the kid but not the same kid also he would have been much older and lived through a lot more therefor eventualy devolping an apathy towards the acts he would end up comiting towards the ura
hollow pilot
Is the Bastion DLC avail on switch
meager gazelle
What DLC? You mean the one w/ Ruck's dream sequence?
I'm pretty sure it is; you just gotta finish the story and play on the new game +
hollow pilot
The strangers dream, maybe its just considered an update?
But if so I wish I bought it on sale even though I've beaten it, it deserves another playthrough
spring bloom
it’s part of new game +, just replay the game after beating it once
hollow pilot
Nice ty
novel schooner
he didn't leave them to die tho? he did mess up the bastion but it's nothing tha...
very late but who doesnt love war criminals tho
cedar patio
nothing better than committing crimes against humanity
mighty owl
stuck condor
@fleet magnet won't be a few minutes until mods talk us out of the other chat
but bastion should be easier to play since you've played hades, and bastion by far is the closest one to hades because of it's gameplay
stuck condor
and also has PowerCast
which is something I think you already fond of
thanks Amir
fleet magnet
powercast
power smth is just
pretty much in every sgg dslkfjs
yeah anyways, gotta try it out, thanks
stuck condor
np
meager gazelle
Honestly it was really interesting playing Hades first and Bastion second
It was so cool to see how some of the gameplay stuff from their first game carried over to Hades!!
novel schooner
Honestly it was really interesting playing Hades first and Bastion second
just wait till you play transistor unless you already have idk
meager gazelle
I haven’t
novel schooner
yea sgg is really smart about reusing assets and ideas
since elysium shades are similar to just transistor enemies with the soul dropping and potential respawn
meager gazelle
Quiet eyezoom
loud ridge
since elysium shades are similar to just transistor enemies with the soul droppi...
I can't believe I never realised this... I feel I've been played like a fiddle
open python
There's a thread on steam that mentioned a lot of them, lemme try to find it
elder palm
since elysium shades are similar to just transistor enemies with the soul droppi...
FInally someone noticed this as well
fossil river
THEY REALLY ARE JUST CELLS HUH. SIMILAR DESIGNS EVEN
hollow pilot
i really wish I bought Bastion when it was on sale with Transistor
novel schooner
its very good :3. i played it on xbox 360 as a wee lad and got it on switch cuz i love it
i still need to buy transistor for switch tho, got it for free on epic and i wish i paid for it
hollow pilot
I played Bastion on PC when I was a kid as well but never did a 2nd playthrough and the strangers dream makes me wanna replay it
novel schooner
i cant be the only one who almost starts tearing up when listening to the "remember the bastion" track right??
novel schooner
FInally someone noticed this as well
yea and like louts are just scumbags, numbskulls are squirts, and the thugs are similar to the ghasts
spring bloom
i cant be the only one who almost starts tearing up when listening to the "remem...
You're definitely not the only one
spring bloom
yea and like louts are just scumbags, numbskulls are squirts, and the thugs are ...
*gasfellas? I cannot believe that i've never made that connection before
novel schooner
*gasfellas? I cannot believe that i've never made that connection before
yea
i noticed so quickly when i started playing
lime kite
i cant be the only one who almost starts tearing up when listening to the "remem...
Nah me 2
novel schooner
good ;w;
the song makes me so nostalgic
it was such a good game when i was like 7
onyx edge
'Mother I'm Here' has never failed to make my eyes misty
After all this time I still consider Bastion my favorite game.
novel schooner
like tbh when im at the end of the game and the track starts playing i just put the earbuds fully on and just vibe
hollow pilot
i just bought bastion while it was on sale im exited to play it 😄
tidal echo
nice
native kernel
i'm ~~exited ~~ excited to play it too.
delicate plank
I mean, there's gameplay overlap in all of the enemies in SGG, it's a fun signature
There's always a big slow guy, there's always a slim zippy one, there's always some sort of small weirdly-cute mob
(Even in Pyre. /side-eyes the imp-blasting minigame)
I enjoy recognizing their studio signature motifs, it reminds me of playing classic Final Fantasy games and going "ooh, chocobo! ooh, moogle! ooh, summoners! ooh, pretty boy with white hair! ooh, something about crystals!"
spring bloom
adding on to the conversation in the supergiant games channel re: narration, the change of tine in jawson bog terrified me the first time i experienced it
novel schooner
jawson bog was just terrifying imo
spring bloom
||i didn't know what was happenning at first, but the way the narration remained the same except for that edge of scorn made me feel so small||
pale briar
Even the Kid never did much care to talk about what happened in Jawson's Bog.
south breach
can't believe im starting Bastion again! finally out of the Outskirts. and so the story continues! im so excited 😄
omg i just started there today @pale briar
lol ok bai
cedar patio
gl!
static breach
Couple days late on the Bog discussion but I remember (jeez almost 10 years ago, already) doing it the first time and the vaguely sinister tone the narrator took on almost made me feel like there was about to be a twist where it's revealed that the calamity wasn't real and the Kid has been just murdering the hell out of everyone.
I'm glad it didn't happen that way now (for a variety of reasons), but in 2011, the significantly younger me was feeling very anxious about it.
delicate plank
I was terrified the whole time I was going to rescue Zia and found myself fighting Ura instead of monsters that I was going to end up accidentally shooting her
(as far as old Bastion anxiety goes)
spring bloom
i felt so bad throughout that whole sequence. by the time i got to ||the c h o i c e|| i was so emotionally overwhelmed, i had to get up and leave for a moment
novel schooner
yk my question is if the kid was being lethal or not during that sequence
since i dont think the kid could bring himself to kill someone yk??
spring bloom
||those ura looked pretty dead to me||
spring bloom
||not sure if you could make those weapons non-lethal if you tried||
i still don't listen to pale watchers in the ost. too intense, too many emotions
novel schooner
||not sure if you could make those weapons non-lethal if you tried||
i mean yea, he does get 2 guns, 2 cannons, lots of blades
delicate plank
I mean, he did serve on the Rippling Wall, I'm pretty sure they weren't singing holiday carols with the Ura up there
we love him and consider him a soft boy but he's literally an ex-soldier, yeah?
prime jacinth
The only one who ever volunteered for a second shift.
delicate plank
Yeah. He's not a tame lion, so to speak.
lime kite
Yeah The Kid is a pretty straight arrow. He will do what he has to to get the job done, ||including killing||
He might look like a kid but he's probably up there with tough rugged eggs like Mad Max
prime jacinth
I mean, I'd be a grizzled bad boy too if I ||signed up for 5 years in the military to send money home for my Mom, only to come home and find out that she's dead and all the money I was sending home was gone.||
"Fair to say the Kid's led a rough life, assuming the things he says in his sleep ain't no lie."
spring bloom
somehow that dark aspect of the story didn't properly hit me until the ||mid-game twist||. i think i just wasn't used to a game with such cute and colourful graphics going in that direction
though come to think of it, that backstory was never hidden, it was always out there, so the fault lies entirely with me for not having seen it (:
novel schooner
hehe like how rucks is just a war criminal
prime jacinth
Though that you don't really learn until later.
south breach
Made it out of the Bog
U kno after playing Transistor the mechanics for Bastion don't feel so overwhelming
When I first played it I felt different
dusky ginkgo
'from wharf to wilds' intensifies
awww yeeea
delicate plank
poor kid. it's funny how he holes up and drinks weird liquors in his tent, until it isn't.
tranquil veldt
decided to replay bastion on ios. Is there no way to throw the machete on the IOS version? I swear we could throw machetes on the PC version lol
open python
You can on the PC, yeah—pretty sure it was by holding down the attack button?
tranquil veldt
nope, holding the attack button just spams the machete slashing motion. doesnt charge the throwing motion
open python
And holding it down for other weapons works?
tranquil veldt
i mean holding down for bow works yea. for pistol it just shoots is continously
tranquil veldt
idk either haha. thanks for helping though
north charm
What if Bastion had a lot more game to it?
As in, each area was larger and more fleshed out?
And also they were more distinct?
spring bloom
it is kind of short as it is, but i think it’s the perfect length for the story it’s trying to tell. any longer may reduce the impact of the story
spring bloom
no pins in the bastion channel?
loud ridge
What if Bastion had a lot more game to it?
As in, each area was larger and more ...
Hades
/s
spring bloom
the kid don’t have any daddy issues, though. he’s got bigger problems
spring bloom
kid wonders who would “lol” at such a calamity. he ain’t got time for that
novel schooner
i kinda want logan to read that off in rucks voice now
loud ridge
I heard it in my head
open python
i kinda want logan to read that off in rucks voice now
my mic is not the best when it comes to recordings so you'll need to turn your volume up... (and you'll need to go to imgur, since discord embeds don't always have audio)
haven't really practiced Ruck's voice before so it's not my best rendition, but hopefully you enjoy
loud ridge
Nice
novel schooner
lmao thank you
loud ridge
But also you know how to make it simultaneously better and worse
loud ridge
Just say lol instead of what it stands for
native kernel
no homo
open python
yeah
native kernel
"Aw shucks, it doesn't sound like Rucks."
loud ridge
That criticism is not wrong but it's still positively hilarious thanks so much
prime jacinth
And there she is, QUEEN ANNE
crisp python
Ah, yes. me getting pumped because I hear Brusher Patrol playing
cedar patio
lunkheads are a lot more managable when u have the bellows
just spin in a fire circle
woosh
novel schooner
or just roll to the side :/
spring bloom
i lure them to the edge then push em off with the musket
novel schooner
i use spear + pistols so i just try to have dps :/
delicate plank
There's a kind of swanky neighborhood here in Seattle called Queen Anne, on the hill just north of the Space Needle and the surrounding museums and theaters in Seattle Center
so that boss' name threw me off every time it came up 🤣
spring bloom
QUEEN ANNE a ton of buildings drop on the kid’s head
prime jacinth
"I'll never forget the look on the Kid's face after that one."
cedar patio
i didn't realize you could avoid killing queen anne until someone told me
i just was like :( guess that's the way
spring bloom
w h a t
mild cairn
Huh. Well now I feel bad for killing that beast.
novel schooner
yea i mean i kill her for the xp :/
the skyway opens as soon as you take the shard so
lime kite
Wait how do you avoid it
spring bloom
wait, so you can just g r a b the shard and leave? i thought you had to kill queen anne first
novel schooner
nope
just grab it and leave
like shes there yea
but you dont have to kill her
cedar patio
iirc you have to damage her a little before you're allowed to run
crisp python
Hah, I didn't know you could just not kill her
south breach
And there she is, ***QUEEN ANNE***
I'm hoping to get Queen tonight 🤣
And I think I heard that as well
Cos I did dodge it until I was like wait LUL
We'll see
crystal jolt
i just got into bastion
and
i can not get enough of hte Kid falling flat on his face all the time
distant escarp
its such a good thing
and i love that they were like
hey do you want to do damage to things if you fall on them as an option
crystal jolt
distant john cena theme music
distant escarp
why do i hear boss music
stuck condor
Ruckus narrating was the best thing in the game ngl
crystal jolt
theres not a single sgg game where logan cunningham isnt commenting on my actions
stuck condor
yeah but in Pyre he was a meanie
distant escarp
but he had to watch me mess up everything while all he could do was watch
crystal jolt
hey he did cheer on sometimes.
stuck condor
hey he did cheer on sometimes.
sometimes
tidal echo
Bastion: Old man is tired and loves his grandson
Transistor: Man lovie wuvy you
Pyre: DIE MORTAL SCUM
crystal jolt
Boxer and Archjustice are some of my favourite characters
distant escarp
i just like making Archjustice suffer while all he could do was call me stupid
guess what, thats why im down here
stuck condor
in Hades he was like : (narrating in a monotone accent)
stuck condor
Boxer and Archjustice are some of my favourite characters
💯
distant escarp
boxer is a himbo that loves his gf
crystal jolt
all the narrators in an elevator, who lives
novel schooner
||rucks is a war criminal so he wins||
crystal jolt
idk if this is a joke or not but i just started the game so if icould ask for toned down spoilers ;w;
novel schooner
my b
crystal jolt
current experience
stuck condor
I hope you have fun!
crystal jolt
"This edible aint sh-"
REFLECTIONS REMAINING: 18
stuck condor
"This edible aint sh-"
**REFLECTIONS REMAINING: 18**
This is 100% better with Wretched shades music from Hades
Infernal troves music is cool and rushes you to kill everyone
crystal jolt
MEOW
distant escarp
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
stuck condor
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
crystal jolt
ah there is my weekly dose of occultist chanting
tidal echo
- Creepy Whispering*
one of us
one of us
one of us
south breach
LMAO I got so lost trying to get that shard 😂 dang it Queen Anne. I made it out tho
south breach
Bastion: Old man is tired and loves his grandson
Transistor: Man lovie wuvy you
...
Accurate
viral agate
I might give this a ng+ now that i have a controller
crystal jolt
i have such a love-hate relationship with how easy it is to just fall in this game
and i am so infinitely grateful its not a big deal
distant escarp
yeah
crystal jolt
apart from the dissing from the narrator
the Kid: falling 24/7, both unconscious and literally!
south breach
yep!
spring bloom
i always wondered how the kid got flung back on to the map when everyone else supposedly fell to their deaths
tidal echo
rucks saying "ahha he didnt do thattttttt, just kidding haha got you there didn't I"
"No one would be that stupid, am i right?"
lime kite
mancer's dilemma is one of my favorite tracks ever
or is it pale watchers. can't decide
south breach
It's so nice
crystal jolt
the Kid might need to see a doctor for all the amount of times he's blacked out
south breach
Ikr
I stopped at a certain point 4 now,but I'm glad to be further on in the story
It's a wonderful game.
The kid deserve the world I say <3
spring bloom
nice of the gasfellas to wait till he gets up before they start beating the kid up again
tidal echo
Cant kick a kid while hes down
calm nova
intentionally falling to deal damage is a legit strat?
spring bloom
it can sometimes also put you in a more sstrategic position
novel schooner
oof
a lot of the bullhead trial is just getting used to timings
all the enemies have pretty projected startup that can be used to your advantage and the perfect block is pretty generous
squirts and scumbags i would say are the most difficult because smol and scumbags leave the dumb goop
hollow pilot
Playing bastion for the first time can’t wait to see what’s in store!
cedar patio
hell yeah! hope you enjoy 😄
hollow pilot
I think I will! I’ve been listening to the soundtrack for awhile now and setting sail coming home was the first song that introduced me to supergiant games but finally decided today was the day I actually played it
south breach
If I finish the story mode in Bastion, do I need to do a specific mode next to reach achievements
As in Normal mode etc, I'm a bit confused
meager gazelle
The only other mode of the game that gets unlocked after you complete the story the first time is new game +
The game itself doesn’t necessarily get harder or anything like that
You just kinda complete it again, though there is a bonus thing that gets unlocked towards the end
cedar patio
(spoilers for end game & new game+)
hey so i have some questions abt the game & new game+ & a theory
||so there's the theory the Kid is rucks, which has some weight to it, but i was wondering how that works w new game+ since there's a lot of parts about rucks semi-remembering the game already happening, but if he's the Kid, wouldn't he have already remembered the game already? idk how time traveling works honestly||
hollow pilot
||I don't think there's any weight to that. Unless the Kid gets thrown back in time unreasonably far on a particular reset, how does he grow up into Rucks?||
novel schooner
||yeaaa since the kid worked on the walls for a majority of his life and during that time the calamity was being readied along with the bastion, it just wouldnt work i dont think :/||
cedar patio
||i will say that if rucks was the Kid being sent back pre-war would make the most sense bc that's when the Ura/Cael conflict really ramps up, and that's when things would need to be worked on. just going back like pre-calamity wouldn't really work bc there's already that high tension built in||
novel schooner
||my headcannon is that rucks is just a guy, the kid is just the kid, and thats that. rucks contributed to the calamity and everyone was affected, the kid is just the one who helped "fix" it||
delicate plank
||yeah, every canon that involves time travel seems to get at least one "what if Character A is really Character B sent back in time to age-loop into the present and interact with their younger self" theory||
||but it doesn't hold water for me with Bastion because Rucks harbors a massive amount of regret about causing the Calamity and all that suffering?||
||so I can't think of a sensible reason why he would have lived through it in his twenties, seen firsthand how bad it was, then sent himself back in time, aged a few decades, and then...set the freaking Calamity off anyway...? and proceed to sit around talking grimly about what a mistake it was||
||it just doesn't wash. can't see it.||
meager gazelle
||Yeah that’s all fair points! Tho, I gotta ask — what do y’all think about the Rucks being the Kid’s dad theory?||
cedar patio
||that was my first theory for the game actually. after his part about the Kid’s dad running out it i was just waiting the rest of the game for him to say he was the Kid’s dad||
hollow pilot
Ok so I found Zia and when I heard her song I teared up, Ashley out here making me cry again
faint saffron
Ok so I found Zia and when I heard her song I teared up, Ashley out here making ...
This is one of the moments that I will never forget. Still have shivers thinking about the first time I heard the song and met her... Even though I first played Bastion like 5-6 years ago I think?
cedar patio
it's Such a good scene
hollow pilot
@delicate plank Something important to remember about that, ||the characters don't remember what happens when you select Restoration. It's implied/outright stated that the lack of future memories makes it so none of Rucks, Zulf, Zia, or the Kid are capable of avoiding the firing of the Calamity.||
delicate plank
||Hmm. That said, it's not really time travel, persay, is it? Nobody is displaced from their normal position within the timeline - it just erases the most recent chunk of it, resetting it to allow them to try again.||
||And fail again. 😭||
hollow pilot
||That being said, it also should negate the possibility of the Kid being Rucks.||
hollow pilot
Hey guys, am i imagining it or does rucks at some point say "the weight of the world"? And when does he?
south breach
Heart of the world ?
||I think it's when he goes to the cauldrons||
@hollow pilot
split tartan
bullhead court is driving me mad
halcyon crest
bullhead court is driving me mad
Mood
That trial was annoying af
Especially that massive scumbag
hollow pilot
||I think it's when he goes to the cauldrons||
ahh thank you mate! I can just really clearly in my head hear rucks saying that line for some reason lol
the only other time its said is in the lyrics of "its in the blood"
south breach
Lol
cedar patio
congrats on finishing the game! ||what ending did you choose?||
split tartan
congrats on finishing the game! ||what ending did you choose?||
||didn't think much at the time, picked restoration which I kinda regret, because people.. They will repeat the same mistakes all over again and once again trigger the calamity||
novel schooner
ok but like ||did you leave or take zulf with you||
split tartan
||take, I dont have the heart to leave him there||
cedar patio
||you made the good and correct choice||
delicate plank
everybody always makes a big deal about (Pyre spoilers) ||Rukey's mustache|| and I for one will never judge anyone over that one, but if you ||left Zulf behind???||, I cannot help side-eyeing you 😭
glacial tide
||I just went back afterwards and left him behind to see what would happen, and I was like, Oh. It's kind of easier if you bring him with you, plus your conscience is sated, so... ||
novel schooner
||yea i mean saving him doesnt do anything besides a slight change to the ending picture and a couple lines of dialogue plus what happens to him in the credits pictures. leaving him i feel like has much less of an impact on that final stretch of the terminals||
cedar patio
||the option to leave zulf always felt strange to me, because it seemed more like a what the player wants sort of choice vs what fits with the game. the game is a lot about making things right and so leaving Zulf behind just doesn't really fit for me game-wise||
novel schooner
||i feel like at about that point in the story it changes from doing what needs to be done to doing what you want. Zulf betrayed everyone and almost destroyed the bastion. nothing is left of the world especially after the tazal mission and the calamity so its not what needs to be done anymore. its what you want to do in this broken world. the choice to bring zulf back as much as going back or not with the bastion is your choice, the kids choice, not what appears as best||
||so in a way it not only allows player choice but changes a bit of the theme nicely that felt right to me at least||
cedar patio
||oh that's a rant interesting way of looking at it, it makes a lot of sense||
novel schooner
game design for themes and story is very cool and important for a good story and i think bastion did an amazing job with it
solid use of gameplay to tell story
||and like that last stretch if you take zulf just hits different||
cedar patio
||it really does... the Kid’s been beat down this whole game and it's just absolutely at his end... he's worked so hard and so tirelessly and he's just running out of himself to go on... and he risks everything just to save Zulf, a traitor, knowing he could die, and almost dying as he goes but never once stopping or letting go of Zulf to defend himself... oh it just Kills me every time||
novel schooner
||ohh and with mother im here playing in the background||
its just a perfect scene tbh
cedar patio
all through playing bastion for the first time i was just enamored with it but once i hit the ending that really clinched it for being my all time favorite game
novel schooner
||oh wait now that i think about it with a song name of "mother im here" and its with the kid risking his life and all and his mother is dead so like is that song more about the kid just in a scene with zulf?||
or am i just overthinking things
since like, ||it keeps saying "im here, im coming home" and like the entire reason for the kid doing this was to go back||
||as well as showing that this could kill him||
cedar patio
||both are very possible. i think the mother in the song is Micia butbut it cutoff also like, count as his own dead mother. and then there's the past about the star, which could refer to the city crest||
novel schooner
god its such a well designed scene
cedar patio
it really is!! sgg just knocked it out of the park with that one
novel schooner
ooo gotta love it when spotify plays ||mother im here|| for you after putting a large playlist on shuffle
knows exactly what i want
cedar patio
it's such a good song but i have to be like. emotionally ready for it. if it comes on on shuffle while im in the shower it's like. oh i am not prepared
novel schooner
its become one of those songs that just make me happy since i played bastion when i was around 7 years old so i just get a lot of nostalgia
its such a good song thematically and just as a song
darren did an amazing job with it, much like he does with all of their games
cedar patio
darren really did do an excellent job with the music in the game, it just really pumps up the atmosphere of the world and the experience itself
but oof... you're making me feel old. i first played when i was 22
but actually i think im gonna replay bastion, it's been too long
glacial tide
Ikr?
lime kite
Ikr? (2)
spring bloom
Ikr? (3)
crystal jolt
My issue in going back in and seeing the other choices is that ||I can't see myself abandoning Zulf for the life of me||
spring bloom
agreed, that's the one thing i won't do. ||i've heard it doesn't really change the story either||
crystal jolt
Since even if my health bar was gone it told me to heal up a few times
spring bloom
you use your potions automatically when you reach 0 health, if you have any
crystal jolt
.
Well i wish i knew that
I play through the game thinking if i die with potions left its still game over
spring bloom
i might be wrong? though i know it happens ||at the end||. for most of the game, i made sure to drink a potion before reaching 0
crystal jolt
I really liked the way Rucks' ||"It's heavy, isn't it?" worked both for the story he was telling Zia, and as a reaction to the Ram the Kid had just picked up||
||As a whole that finale was great||
spring bloom
i was so emotionally strung the whole way through. ||to the point where when i got to The First Choice, i got up and left for a moment||
crystal jolt
I was like Oh Dear
Helped that I immediately knew what ||both my choices would be||
spring bloom
||had to think a bit about the second one! For the first one, there was no choice for me||
crystal jolt
||I remember when Rucks was talking about the Restoration and I was like No. That can't be how it ends. There HAS to be another way. And there was||
spring bloom
||it's pretty powerful: you hear about Restoration while fighting through dozens of Ura and all you can think is "it's all going to happen again"||
crystal jolt
||EXACTLY||
||Who's going to stop it? No one will be themselves as we know them, theres no memories of the calamity, its just trapping it in a time loop||
novel schooner
||When carrying Zulf, I mean||
no lol
crystal jolt
||what if our time playing isnt the first time this story has happened?||
||HOW MANY LOOPS||
spring bloom
||"i'll see you in the next one"||
novel schooner
So the ||low hp effects were just for the dramatics damn it||
yeaaa
but it was dramatic
crystal jolt
Supergiant sure likes their ||loops in bastion AND transistor||
novel schooner
and imo one of the best written scenes ever
crystal jolt
I also like how fainting is used for story purposes in both bastion (who knows where) and pyre (the tutorial)
Main characters with very low blood pressure
Someone help them
spring bloom
to be fair, at the beginning of pyre you were just rescued from death
crystal jolt
I think it wasnt that in Pyre cause everyone else fainted too
I just hope Jodi didn't fall on anyone
Thats a broken bone or two of damage
crystal jolt
to be fair, at the beginning of pyre you were just rescued from death
The Kid is confirmed a squid, if he eats too fast he loses conciousness
spring bloom
is that a problem with squids?? the more you know...
crystal jolt
Yup! Has to do with the shape of their brain iirc
Man also how long is Bastion?
It felt super short
Though maybe I was just having fun
spring bloom
it's a pretty short game. 5 or 6 hours, give or take?
spring bloom
transistor could be a bit longer, depending on how much you explore and whether you do the challenges
cedar patio
yeah for the ending ||i went evac the first time. resto doesn't really seem viable--how far back would it go? it's not a simple thing of just going back to right before the calamity happened; you'd have to back to before the Calamity was even an idea. there'd have to be a LOT of relationship fixing between the Ura and the Caels, and the feud runs deep||
crystal jolt
||also everyone reverts to their original state, so what's stopping the history from repeating?||
hybrid coral
||isn't it implied that it all happens again? the last line of restoration is the same as the first line of ng+||
crystal jolt
OH
||Is it??? I wouldn't know, I only just finished Bastion for the first time and I chose the other choice||
hybrid coral
wait omg I'm sorry I didn't mean to spoil that
novel schooner
||i mean that also has some really neat theme tie ins 🤔 ||
since like, ||whats done is done, and all you can do is move on and learn||
damn i absolutely love the themes in bastion
crystal jolt
Ngl that message came when I needed it the most
And I think thats why I chose that ending, or well one of the reasons
delicate plank
||yeah, I chose evac on my first playthrough, too||
||but I like the idea that the plot may have looped several times, even before we pick it up||
I wrote fic once that played with that idea, by having an awful thing happen (that I was afraid might happen the first time I played the game, and fortunately didn't) and implying that the Kid ||chooses restoration that time, just to undo it and hope things go better on the next iteration||
cedar patio
||in ng+ there's lines where rucks mentions feeling like he's repeating himself and that he's already said what he said and stuff, which implies if you choose resto everything ends up the same||
tidal echo
||all stories start at the beginning, but this one is a little different didnt mean much to me at first but after resto boy did that line hit hard||
hollow pilot
If I'm remembering correctly, the ending/credits montage from Restoration is set to decidedly sadder music than "Setting Sail, Coming Home" and is extremely heavily implied, almost to the point of outright stating, to simply repeat the events of the game.
It's like rewinding a movie.
||Boromir still dies, Hiccup still loses a leg, Buu still reverts to his Pure/Kid form.||
cinder temple
||in ng+ there's lines where rucks mentions feeling like he's repeating himself ...
||The thing is, the fact that Rucks is experiencing a sense of deja vu at all means the process isn't perfect. Some things are retained, some trace memory lingers. Maybe if only for those who were on the Bastion, but still, something remains. My own headcannon is that it's like that episode of TNG (uh spoilers for a 30 year old TV show) "Cause and Effect," where they get stuck in a few loops, but enough traces linger for them to eventually choose 'escape' and get out of it||
crystal jolt
Tng?
hollow pilot
I believe it's Star Trek: The New Generation
spring bloom
*next. yes
cinder temple
yeah
whole valley
novel schooner
ok can we all agree that like once the violin starts on like 5:27 on the songs of supergiant remember the bastion just hit hard
like
damn it just hits hard
meager gazelle
You right tho!! They didn't need to go that hard but the did and honestly I got HIT by it
delicate plank
The first time I heard that, my face split into the most unreasonable grin 😁
It is the orchestral equivalent of dropping the bass as hard as possible and I love it
spring bloom
appreciation post for In Case of Trouble, since it's on the shuffle now. First SGG theme I heard and it drew me in to the game.
flint spade
I just love this game. I've had it for a long time in my library but never played it. I'm going for all the achievements, but the 1.000.000 point in attack mode is kinda hard lol
crystal jolt
Mortar club where you at
hybrid coral
mortars and bellows are the best combination
spring bloom
pike and musket gang: speed + range
open python
Musket and machete gang
Big pew and slaslaslaslaslash
(I don't actually remember for sure if that's what I used but it sounds right)
cedar patio
mortars and bellows are the best combination
finally someone gets me
explosions and fire what more could you want