h2-for-new-players

[rustic hinge]

yea theres no shortcut to practice

[formal gull]

i was angry about losing so badly i said "i'll show you skill issue" and made it to Chronos

so it's chatrcter developmeant

[primal trench]

I cant just spout magic words and improve your mechanical skill, no one can

Practice

Keep playing, keep improving

Like I said we all struggled

[formal gull]

no just make me mad and i'll wipe the floor with Chronos's ass

😂

[primal trench]

Manipulating rage is not a bad idea

As long as you keep it controlled

[formal gull]

yea no it's a luck build. i get angry and the game is scared to give me bad boons. it's a luck build. lol

another question how in the world do i trigger Ares. i've got the diolog from Zeus and thought i'd catch him the next run but i didn't. so please how do i get the lord of war himself?

[primal trench]

||Confront the surface final boss||

[formal gull]

ok thanks.

[quick fiber]

as someone with the same problem in late game its a learning curb but you got this

biggest step i took was " the meta ima do what feels right" and ive never looked back

Got me through 32f before I had to think slightly more where I am at 60f

(Where I now have 300 consecutive losses)

[tall kernel]

🏆

[hybrid scaffold]

i just finished doing a run with Zenith Black Coat i think it has become my favorite weapon, the movement is out of this world

[tidal moss]

As long as you don't play selene coat

[hybrid scaffold]

is selene coat bad? i havent unlocked any of the other versions

[fossil condor]

It’s not great

[hybrid scaffold]

gotcha, i'm curious as to what makes it bad, gonna have to look on youtube

[fossil condor]

Nothing

As in, its special properties are nearly useless and may as well be nothing, whereas the other coats actually have special properties that have uses

[hybrid scaffold]

ohhh gotcha that makes sense

[vivid flare]

Its gimmick is its unique Hex it has, but it's a Hex on a weapon with mediocre-to-bad Omegas

[tall kernel]

doesn't love Sky Fall? 😭

[hybrid scaffold]

ohhh so its ability is just a selene hex? thats... i mean is it any good once its almost fully maxed?

[tall kernel]

it helps if you get the boons and hammers that make omega's faster or more expensive.

[tall kernel]

it can be decent, but spending magic is hard and usually not a great option.

[vivid flare]

Assuming you get a good Path of Stars for it, otherwise it's effectively just Aspect-less

[hybrid scaffold]

ahh nah screw that. you're better off actually hitting the lottery then

[vivid flare]

It and Pan Knives are probably the two worst Aspects in the game ATM

[vivid flare]

From what I remember, you desperately need the triple beam purple to make it shine

[tall kernel]

if they gave pan an automatic ranged cast and made is faster cast and faster ospecials, it could kind of be the return of chiron bow.

[vivid flare]

They don't even need to give it a ranged cast, they just need to undo the nerf that makes it have slower (and scaling) recovery on the OSpecial

[tall kernel]

wonder if special could "mark" an enemy for ospecial hits if that would work

base ospecial is too slow and you need to be able to dash out of it

[vivid flare]

Like, the recovery frames nerf legitimately took it from top 3 to bottom 3

[tall kernel]

i should find a pre nerf video... i've never seen it

[hybrid scaffold]

really? i used pan knives yesterday and liked it, why don't you like it?

As long as i can throw the cast i usually dont have a problem

[tall kernel]

note high fear vets vs new player slow are not playing the same game

[vivid flare]

Because it's slow to fire a full volley off, and once you start adding in Vow of Frenzy unto the mix, it starts becoming difficult to get that volley off safely

[hybrid scaffold]

what defines high fear? i did 10 yesterday with pan

[tall kernel]

60

[hybrid scaffold]

ah, okay that makes sense

[hybrid scaffold]

then whats the best knife

[vivid flare]

The hidden ones

Then probably Mel?

[tall kernel]

I'm liking art better since they reduced the parry

I haven't learned the tech to playing the hidden one well... it's fun, but I always feel like I suck at it

[timber dew]

[bitter zephyr]

is the axe generally bad for early clears? can't tell if it being such a heavy weapon can lead to a lot of unecessary damage or not

[dense anchor]

nah, all aspects are pretty viable for any stage of the game

[timber dew]

I believe using things and boons that makes your attack faster is the secret

[bitter zephyr]

im praying its just super fun

ive gotten too comfortable with fast attacking dash spam weapons

[vivid flare]

Not really, since you can animation cancel out of the Attack with the Special

[bitter zephyr]

do resources generally overlap a lot in terms of use for upgrading aspects? trying to decide if i should just unlock every aspect i possible can right now

[tall kernel]

axe plays very differently. But 3/4 of the axes is basically oattack whirlwind spin and figuring out how to do that maximally while not taking too much damage.

[vivid flare]

You're gonna need a lot of Silver

[vivid flare]

2/4, more like. Mel Axe doesn't boost the spin

[bitter zephyr]

i have a bunch but it seems thats only used for melinoe aspect anyway

[tall kernel]

i don't think I have a good advice on meta advancement since it's fun to play completionism.

[tall kernel]

okay, you saying mel axe just wanting the dash attack hammer and you don't use whirlwind?

[vivid flare]

Yes, but you're gonna need a lot of it to get all the Mel aspects to rank 5

[vivid flare]

Yeah, Dashing Heave is its best hammer

Colossus Slash(?) is also pretty nice for it

[bitter zephyr]

id probably just aim to max my favorite on each weapon

[tall kernel]

just unlock everything before maxing, because I think that unlocks some incantations, I think.

[bitter zephyr]

its very likely tho just based on time that ill probably just aim to get the epilogue done asap and be done with the game really

had my fun with speedrunning and heat stuff in the og game

[tall kernel]

you won't know your favorite until you unlock everything, and then there are aspects that get a lot better when they are leveled up and aren't great low level

[bitter zephyr]

hmm ill aim for that then

still 50/50 on whether i wanna try charon/thanatos axe first

[bitter zephyr]

well thatll be a pain lol

[vivid flare]

Momus staff be like

[tall kernel]

i'm not good at the game, just 32 f or less... but I really like Charon axe because it plays very differently from all the other axes and other weapon aspects in general. It plays more like hestia rail gun... like chikchik BOOM. But it's different, you'll see.

[tall kernel]

even at max level momus staff was an aquired taste for me, but I like it now

[bitter zephyr]

THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING

WHY DIDNT U MAKE TBAY COMPARISON BEFORE LOL

[tall kernel]

i recommend apollo gain, but there are other gains that work for charon axe (sorta)

Also, supernova works great with charon axe.

[potent quail]

the best protip for charon is dashing while you charge ospecial (you will not lose charge)

[bitter zephyr]

any advice for arcana cards to use

[tall kernel]

use all the good ones and none of the bad ones

[bitter zephyr]

split on the huntress or the messenger

[tall kernel]

get more grasp

[bitter zephyr]

i will eventualkly (im like one upgrade away from max) just unsure what to use for now (haelian seems to not use the messenger even tho it makes you impervious after using the cast + 50% faster(

[tall kernel]

also huntress if you can keep it up is far better than messenger

[bitter zephyr]

nvm i just took out the night arcana card

[tall kernel]

if you listened to haelian, i"m pretty sure he said you can't hardly notice messenger.

[bitter zephyr]

is that one needed at all? gives u crit chance w an omega combo i think

[tall kernel]

depends on the weapon aspect, but I almost never use it

[bitter zephyr]

he said that for the night arcana nothing ab the messenger one but yea ill cut it

[potent quail]

huntress

[bitter zephyr]

seems gtg and just realized i wasnt running origination so thank god i caught onto that lol

[timber dew]

Why I feel the game all of the sudden started to get harder 💀

[vivid flare]

Did you crank up the Fear?

[tall kernel]

I run an end game trinket that makes it so you don't want rerolls, not something you have yet.

But when I could max it, I switched from death to strength and haven't really looked back yet, though I hear you want to go back to death when you start running the vow of scars.

[bitter zephyr]

ill keep for now cuz i dont think ill get through this clear right now anyway

thank you for all the help though (hestia rail comparison really helped) hoping its a new main

[tall kernel]

did you start a charon axe run?

I'm pretty sure night doesn't work on that unless you actually drop an omega cast

[bitter zephyr]

tbh most of this conversation was procrastinating the crushing amounts of studying i gotta do

ill start it tomorrow though hopefully it goes well

[timber dew]

Only one thing

[tall kernel]

yeah, don't trade long term job prospects for short term hades run. @bitter zephyr

[bitter zephyr]

shh

in im comp sci ill be homeless either way

[tall kernel]

don't let your dreams be dreams

also good luck. I thankfully graduated mech engineer back early 2000's and have a comfy career

[cobalt palm]

In the Scylla fight, the drummer occasionally does a move where the entire area turns red and you take damage no matter where you are. Is there no way to avoid this? Also at some point in the fight the drummer and the guitarist "go to sleep" and become impervious. What is that?
(Ping me if you reply)

[dense anchor]

it's not the whole arena. there's two variations, one where you need to stay close to her, the other where you need to go away from her

and when they become impervious, it means they're dead for that phase and you need to target the other ||siren(s)||

[cobalt palm]

Ah alright, thanks a lot. I thought the close variation was her covering the entire arena lol I am stupid 😭

[dense anchor]

lol nws

[tall kernel]

one would beg the question, how did you know it was the drummer that did that all arena move... the only way you infer it is because there is a giant not red circle around the drummer.

[cobalt palm]

I knew about the normal variation of the attack, and the other variation also looked like red rays coming from that direction so I guessed

[dense anchor]

well the former variation is centred around her, so it's natural to assume the drummer is doing it

[tall kernel]

no prob. May victory find you

[maiden hound]

Quick questions: does a god get removed from the pool again, once you sell or remove all there boons?

[dense anchor]

once you pick up a boon from a god they're always in the pool afaik

there are exceptions for when you ||pick up an onion or timepiece it||

[tall kernel]

my annecdotal experience is if you sell the last boon you have of a god, they aren't necessarily in the pool but it's random until you have 4 gods or something like that.

[tidal moss]

Once you take a god you cannot remove them from the pool even if you sell all their boons

[quick fiber]

nah they be still in the pool you just unlucky

[slate umbra]

Hi

[fossil condor]

Yo

[desert robin]

idk if anyone needs but if you do: ||theres lots of advice on the internet saying you should stay far away from chronos and typhon, dont. hug them, its easier||

[quick fiber]

THIS GUYS LYING

[tidal moss]

Facts

[primal trench]

that sign cant stop me because i cant read

[sleek spear]

||But i love hugging them with Morrigan and Nergal||

[polar laurel]

Honestly you can dodge just fine either way but staying close does increase your damage output typically

I kinda find the head slam to be the hardest attack in phase 1 at least 💀

[winter basin]

Genuinely though the majority of their attacks are mid to long range and the ones that are up close are quite reactable

So give them a BIG hug

[primal trench]

^^^

[karmic gazelle]

Guys what is the benefit in doing fear runs , do they give some rewards I have done 2 runs and i don't think I got something special?

[opal mural]

Up to 20 you get things to upgrade your weapons, up to 32 you get things to achieve in-game, up to 67 you get things to make you feel good

[karmic gazelle]

Fear up to 20?? Or what

[opal mural]

Yeah the easiest way to upgrade all your weapons is to beat up to 20 fear, it will show itself later

Idk what the unlock condition is

[fossil condor]

||For each weapon, Fear 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16, and 20 each target a certain boss, if you beat that boss while at or above that fear you gain nightmares for upgrading weapon aspects. Then the testament target moves up to the next Fear threshold||

[karmic gazelle]

Ohhh

[primal trench]

Nightmare, and fun

[desert robin]

so you can put 67 in your name after beating 67f

[primal trench]

Sure. If thats what you wanna do

But yeah satisfaction

[primal trench]

Reminder you can put 67 in your name without beating 67f, nobody can stop you 😈

[karmic sable]

Supergiant will strike you down!

[solid thistle]

is there a way to stay consistent during fear runs

[proven gazelle]

Wdym? Like builds or staying healthy??

[solid thistle]

more like staying healthy

[proven gazelle]

Cuz there is certain decisions high fear runners make that you might not be but consistency is mostly skill and comfort

Keeping proper distance, not greeding so hard, cast being down 100% of the time and properly baiting around it, its a thing thats hard to really point out unless we see gameplay

Understanding what your weapon can and cant do is also a big one

I.e. staff gets away with so much more than axe would be able to

Enemy priority is also a big one, knowing what you should be looking for projectile wise and what to kill first is always important, when hippos are on screen for example always be aware of their balls and if its wailers they need to be dealt with asap

But all of this comes with time and purposeful practice, I have about 250 hours in the game and my fear pb is 65 for a clear and final gramps phase for 67 so its all with time

[solid thistle]

I havent rlly gotten a fear clear and it took me 32 runs just to kill chronos

I feel like I suck

[fossil condor]

Everyone sucks until they practice more

[proven gazelle]

Its a tough game! It takes practice and effort and is fs more difficult than h1 so dont feel bad, everyone progresses differently

[rain gulch]

You'll get there! Alot of it comes down to practice / looking at certain situations differently: Sometimes you need to look at a run and say "okay it might now be winnable, but at least I can get material" & it turns into a farm run.

[proven gazelle]

Also never quit! You can always learn from a run whether its taking a risk dodging something differently or trying new strat for scylla cuz she can be nonsense

I wouldnt of learned to dodge rivals gramps triple scythe so consistently if I didnt throw away runs trying to properly

[rain gulch]

another thing I would say with staying "healthy" is try to understand your weapon & boons -> some weapons either LOVE or HATE certain god boons

[proven gazelle]

That too yeah more damage = less time for you to get hit

Understanding how to build craft with denial/forfeit on and post-game stuff ||jpom|| is a learning curve

[rain gulch]

Last thing I will say when it comes to this game in the beginning: Alot of the learning process is learning priority.

Syclla for example = i had to learn to kill the drummer as quickly as possible

cause I wasn't great at dodging her circles at the start

[solid thistle]

alright i'll try to apply all of this tomorrow,thanks for the advice

[fathom anvil]

Hi! Any benefits from maxing a relationship apart from lore? I have about half maxed and don’t see any effect

[fossil condor]

Lore, and several are required for the epilogue

[primal trench]

In other words, lore and story yeah

No run effect

[fathom anvil]

By epilogue do you mean ending with credits? I already got it. Or is there any post credits ending too?

[tidal moss]

There is a post credits ending

[primal trench]

Epiligue is after the ending

[fathom anvil]

How do I get one? I had the scene when they all ride the carriage. Now I got jpom / calling card / watch keepsakes and just keep looping underground / surface, finishing remaining quests, maximising aspects

The only thing remaining afaik is to wake up hypnos. Or is ther anything else?

[fossil condor]

||work on the prophecy about finding the fates||

[fathom anvil]

I found them, got the quest scene and now everyone is saying about the new age

[fossil condor]

Should spoiler tag that tbh

But if that’s the case then you are post-epilogue

[golden sparrow]

How do rapture ring and geyser spout interact?

[shy zephyr]

they're separate effects

[vivid flare]

Geyser Spout only affects the Omega Cast's detonation

[golden sparrow]

Oh okay I think I understand now, I thought it was active for the duration so long as it had been charged

[solid thistle]

would it be nooby to use wayward son

[opal mural]

I had Wayward Son on until 58 fear

I would assume some people use it until 60

[proven gazelle]

No its a strong arcana

It stays on until the 60 -> 62 jump cuz tf else are you gonna use

[shy zephyr]

nah wayward is goated

[proven gazelle]

5 hp a room is an insane amount of healing

Zero reason to disregard it until scars3

[solid thistle]

does vow of scars affect it?

[proven gazelle]

Yeah

Scars 1/2/3 make it 4/3/0 healing respectively iirc

Scars affects everything besides nergal, gonion, certain hammers, self healing(apollo infusion), the chaos per room healing thingy, and uhhh i think thats most everything

Oh and life tax it doesnt affect life tax

[winter basin]

Obviously death defiances are unaffected but I’m sure we all knew that

Oh uhhh night bloom tempi during chronos P2

Those still heal you through scars

[vivid flare]

Only time you turn it off is when you've turned off healing completely

[rustic hinge]

its interaction with gonion is fixed now though

[desert robin]

i love wayward son

[bright urchin]

Carry on, my Wayward Son.

[coarse dune]

don't you cry no more

[polar laurel]

it doesnt affect the chaos??

that sounds really strong

[tidal moss]

It is but the amount of runs you pull a healing chaos in erebus is quite low

[rain gulch]

And also the rarity of it changing the amount you heal XD

[tidal moss]

Any amount of per room healing is busted at 62f+

[coarse dune]

does vow of denial work on chaos?

if thats the one that makes you only be able to choose one boon

or is that forfeit?

im just getting confused forfeits the gold one

i think

[tidal moss]

No

[tidal moss]

Debt is the gold one

Forfeit turns the first boon each region into an onion (except for npc rewards, family trials, chaos, or shops)

[vivid flare]

It does, though it'll specifically lock out the curses

[golden sparrow]

Is twinstick aiming very helpful here? I can move to PC and set up right joy to mouseaim that way, but since I don't have any weapons other than the staff unlocked it's hard for me to get a feel for whether ot not that's a waste of time

[oak elk]

Should I fight ||Zagreus|| whenever his icon appears in the shop, especially in the first region? He hits like a truck, but my greedy self wants the rewards from later shops. Still, he’s made me fail more runs than any other bosses.

[tidal moss]

I find the rewards are never really worth it, but it's up to you really

[opal mural]

Rewards are not worth it especially because it loses you time in the underworld, it might be worth it on surface because it can actually save you time in Thessaly and Olympus and you're probably stronger

[oak elk]

||Will there be a chance that we can revisit House of Hades or Olympus again in very very late late game? I really want to hear Apollo song again||

[vivid flare]

This is the new player channel, use spoiler tags

[fallen blade]

damn for the first time i’m sad to be spoiled

[oak elk]

It seems I have reached the point that I'm no longer new player 🙁

[oak elk]

I heard u finished the credit, we are on the same path now

[vivid flare]

That's less of the issue and more so "don't post spoilers in an explicit no-spoiler channel"

[fallen blade]

yeap

i’m now sad

[fallen blade]

you’ve stopped being a new player after hecate

lol

[bitter zephyr]

any aspects/weapons that are noticeably worse without being levelled up/for newbies

[marsh widget]

uhh for new players try ||moros|| !

[bitter zephyr]

||on the final typhon run since i got the entropy, i do wanna get this part of the story done so i can chill out but also wanna try charon axe||

[opal mural]

Hidden Blades, Mel Axe, and Hidden Axe definitely need their upgrades more than others

[bitter zephyr]

its been basically the only weapon ive played lol

[vivid flare]

Momus Staff

[bitter zephyr]

alr good to note

[marsh widget]

i like ||coat|| quite a bit

[vivid flare]

That one desperately needs every single upgrade it can get

[marsh widget]

its not like great but it is good !!

[vivid flare]

As for a weapon with a learning curve, Medea Skull

[bitter zephyr]

so far ive only gotten clears with (tbf they the only ones i gave a real shot) moros torches and circe staff (only attempted one run on staff)

any recs for what to use on my last run

[bitter zephyr]

i really wish i liked it smh

like yea maybe i just need a solid hour in t he training ground but i did one run hoping itd be the new eris rail for me

definitely wasnt

havent even done a run with the other skulls and i can say i like them more

[bitter zephyr]

what aspect should i use?

is mel solid enough for this last one

i really wanna make this one count rather than the same bland and safe combo ive abused w moros torches

[marsh widget]

i like mel personally

||selene || cant hurt though

||medea skull|| is strong i thinks

[bitter zephyr]

ive heard but yea didnt click

[bitter zephyr]

any build recs?

[marsh widget]

uhhh ||aphro/hestia|| should be strong

[bitter zephyr]

||ill try it out rn and if i shred polyphemus ill stick to it. would you call it a "safe" weapon or are you often eating a lot of damage?||

[marsh widget]

or ||zeus|| instead of ||hestia||

[bitter zephyr]

ur crazy scared of getting banned lol

[marsh widget]

eh you dont eat damage really, it works kinda like ||the shield|| in hades 1

[bitter zephyr]

damn thats rlly surprising

[marsh widget]

yeee it has blocks with the ||omega attack||

[opal mural]

Coat is the safest weapon because the specials are long range and they track pretty well (though controller players hate it)

[bitter zephyr]

any strats or patterms to know ab (got my first clear in the og game w zeus shield)

[opal mural]

Block is not worth using imo

[marsh widget]

its useful at times .-.

[marsh widget]

its pretty self explanatory, try for ||exhaust riser|| though

that ones really fun 😭

[bitter zephyr]

why wud controller players hate it

im on controller lmao, is it just something you need to aim for a lot

[bitter zephyr]

ill use it if the final fight gets a bit too close

[opal mural]

Apparently the aiming is really different on controller compared to kbm

[bitter zephyr]

i doubt it will really but i want this one to legitimately be as fun as possible since its the end for the main story

[bitter zephyr]

does it not autoaim

[opal mural]

It does but I heard it relies on the direction Mel is facing

[bitter zephyr]

thats totally fine

[marsh widget]

it has autoaim and uhh a seperate aim thing

[bitter zephyr]

you're controlling the joystick anyway and thats the way u aim in any case for any weapon

should i be using magick attack/special a lot?

or mostly js stick to the regulars

[opal mural]

Coat block is something that you have to memorize the angles for and know what attacks are unblockable

I personally never use Omega on coat but the Ospec is decent

Oattack can do big numbers and as mentioned can block but I wouldn't rely on it

[bitter zephyr]

yea it seems a bit too small really

i liked moros torches cuz it felt fast paced without needing to button mash constantly

gonna google a haelian run and prob just copy the build should be a nice finish to the game

(if i dont die)

[opal mural]

Honestly in my personal opinion Moros is one of the higher-skill weapons in the game so picking up other weapons should be not too hard

[bitter zephyr]

well good to know then lol

it was a really safe pick for me personally i just stuck to it the second i unlocked torches, plus the explosions just stunlock enemies for so long you rarely get hit (it does get annoying to remember to dash constantly)

any "best" mel coat build to use

[opal mural]

Poseidon/Hestia attack, Zeus/Hera special

I turn on auto-fire, hold down special, and press attack to dash-strike whenever possible

[bitter zephyr]

hmm okok

[opal mural]

Not sure how that translates to controller

[bitter zephyr]

ive been using hestia too much so im gonna start w zeus keepsake and hope i run into poseidon

[opal mural]

Static Shock is great on coat

[bitter zephyr]

ion think ive ever used auto fire

and wouldnt holding down special just be using magick

[opal mural]

Not with auto-fire

But most of the best coat players in the world don't use auto-fire it's just what I like best

[marsh widget]

high skill cap maybe, ion think holding special and then attack is that difficult 😭

[opal mural]

I find it difficult to maximize damage with Moros while staying safe

[bitter zephyr]

real i feel a bit like a coward playing it

[bitter zephyr]

yea thas kinda my gripe

very slow damage for sure

[marsh widget]

yeee maximising damage is not easy 😭
but in general its a fun and easy-to-pick-up weapon

[bitter zephyr]

not even sure how to use it i see it binded to L2 but it doesnt seem to do anything? even using my keyboard (ctrl) nothing seems to happen

[opal mural]

So how auto-fire works (if you set it to toggle and not hold) is the key for it is a toggle, when toggled on you hold down the button for the attacks/specials to fire continuously

But as I said it's not necessary just my preference

[bitter zephyr]

okok i cant seem to figure it out

think ill just dive into the run and hope it goes okay thank u

[fossil condor]

Works fine on controller if you put special on a shoulder

Which is just a good idea in general

[bitter zephyr]

poseidon is just a crazy game changer oml

just realized tho u cant get origination with him

[opal mural]

Slippery Slope tier 2 boon for Wave Strike/Flourish

[tidal moss]

Yes you can, every olympian has a curse

[bitter zephyr]

does the splash count? or is it a secondary boon

[tidal moss]

Secondary boon

[fossil condor]

And his cast does froth out of box

[bitter zephyr]

is phalanx shot stronger with coat (considering its a projectile already)

[vivid flare]

No

[tidal moss]

No

[golden sparrow]

How do you dodge the Scylla attack where the entire floor turns light red? Not talking about a regular aoe circle

[opal mural]

It's not the entire floor, there's a safe zone around the drummer

[golden sparrow]

Oh okay, it keeps happening when drummer off screen for me so didn't know

I'll look for that

Nailed it, thanks, getting hit by that and not knowing why kinda sucked

[opal mural]

Yeah I think I died to that attack at least 3 times when I started out

[golden sparrow]

Is there any counter to ||Blessing of Strife||? Second run with it now and I can't tell if it's intended or bad RNG

[opal mural]

2 options

• leave the boss with under 30% max health, this will mean that the fountain will heal you to less than 50% max health and Eris will not show up (not sure how this changes after first run, I just know on fresh file this is the threshold)
• don't get hit

[tidal moss]

What Jason said is correct, and she will stop showing up entirely after 10 runs

[opal mural]

Yeah it's a mechanic introduced which makes it harder to overtake the intended early story progression

I don't love it but I understand why it exists

And it's only a problem for the first like 3 hours or so of gameplay

[golden sparrow]

Okay that makes more sense, not sure I'm thrilled about that but it's at least it's intentional oppressiveness

thanks to both, death to eris

[opal mural]

You will be able to ||get revenge on her|| later

[golden sparrow]

Good to know. Right at ||chronos|| and that 80% dmg got me. I am storing my vengeance

[primal trench]

After 10 runs it will stop happening

[tidal moss]

<@&456908176877551658>

[bitter zephyr]

is there a way to reset your arcana cards to get back all the ashes/moon dust

[tidal moss]

No

It's really easy to get more of tho dw

[bitter zephyr]

smh accidentally left the room after using it on an upgrade but wanted to use it to get the coat aspect

[bitter zephyr]

bleh kind of lazy

might just do the bare minimum to get enough darkness and then reset

[primal trench]

If you left the room you kinda cant so

[median gale]

So I’m kinda trying to get rid of my crutch that is Hephaestus boons, any advice one which gods I should try out? I think I like Hera and Aphrodites dmg% increases but idk if those are actually good or not

[quick fiber]

Hera and zeus are good early game meta picks

But in terms of fun posideon ot demeter

[median gale]

Ooo yeah I do enjoy Poseidon too

I feel like his cast thing does more damage than the other ones of similar descriptions? Could be mistaken tho

[quick fiber]

Tidal cast?

[median gale]

I think that’s what it’s called yeah. The one where you do dmg when you place your cast

[quick fiber]

Yeah that one does more damage

As it scales it with boons and rarity

[median gale]

Ahhh

Makes sense

[quick fiber]

Yeah so the splash does (based on rarity) 60/ 90/ 120/ 150 damage

[vivid flare]

Hitch is a good effect to have, even on weapons that don't hit particularly hard

[golden sparrow]

Is it normal for your ||familiars(?) (the dog and cat near the cauldron)|| to disappear after getting your first witch's delight? The game keeps telling me to give it to them but they have not been present across 2 runs now, Melinoe keeps saying they've gone out to scout

[fossil condor]

They aren’t yours is why. You’ll get a chance to earn their trust later on after you’ve bonded with a few more

[golden sparrow]

Oh okay, just confused I guess, whenever I enter the area game tells me to give it to animal familiars, I'll just keep playing and see what happens then

[fossil condor]

[golden sparrow]

I've deciphered your heiroglyph and attained frog 🙏

[strange eagle]

Love frinos

Btw, this has nothing to do with the game but I can't choose my roles for some reason

[golden sparrow]

Is there a community resource for optimal fear ordering?

[golden sparrow]

I guess I'd ping a mod to role assign? not sure who is gonna have perms to look at that tbh

[strange eagle]

Don't, it's okay

Maybe tomorrow, but not now, I don't want to bother any of the mods right now

[quiet parcel]

I haven't been in this Discord for a zillion years but I got obliterated by ||a Phantom|| in the third area... how do I not get totally cooked in that fight? ||I've read that its main gimmick is lifesteal af, but during the fight I thought it was just regen af so I tried to facetank it and went from three lives to zero||

[opal mural]

Get behind it

[quiet parcel]

that sounds easier said than done

but that is an idea

[opal mural]

Boated has a few videos about that I think

It also depends on how high you plan to go

[golden sparrow]

Probably at least to the low thirties unless I bounce off, I found this https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#recommended-pacts-for-testaments-or-statues but I'll check out Boated hadn't heard that name

[strange eagle]

Is hecuba okay for the aspect of nyx?

[opal mural]

Not worth it

Omega boost is only 30 magick every 5 seconds or so

[strange eagle]

So raki?

[opal mural]

Raki for damage Gale for safety yes

[strange eagle]

Fair enough

I like Gale when I'm learning how to use an aspect

But I mostly prefer raki

I've only seen Hecuba for Charon

My highest fear is 20 so I'm still getting there

[fossil condor]

Meaning you went to https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/1148720640300433468 and pressing the button doesn’t assign you one?

[strange eagle]

Yeah

[fossil condor]

Rip

[strange eagle]

Action failed or something it said

[golden sparrow]

Your profile displayed kinda odd for me first, maybe try again now? It resolved a few minuts ago

[strange eagle]

And I already left the server and came back just in case

[golden sparrow]

Ah that's probably why it looked weird then nvm

[fossil condor]

I just tried to give myself Bastion and it failed

[strange eagle]

Oh

[fossil condor]

…but it gave me the role

[strange eagle]

Lol

[fossil condor]

Maybe you fake failed twice which removed it

[strange eagle]

I have no clue

[golden sparrow]

I'm getting interaction failed as well and no roles added

[fossil condor]

I kind of wish the familiars started with a higher resource chance

By the time you even get enough treats to level those up they’re already on their way out of being needed

[strange eagle]

True hahaha

The vow of rivals makes the game more fun

[forest charm]

i js had a pretty nice uw run with hel skull

[tidal moss]

Spoilers

[burnt anvil]

is hades 2 available for steam family sharing

[tidal moss]

I believe so yes

[quick fiber]

Yes it is

I used it for 4 months

[quiet parcel]

why is everything in ||ephyra|| so tanky, especially the boss? is it expected that I level up ||aspects|| and ||familiars|| and such before it becomes reasonable?

[tidal moss]

||Surface|| is harder yes, if you are struggling then upgrading your various metaprogression and learning how to build better will make it alot easier

[polar laurel]

You're expected to tackle it when you feel comfortable doing so

That point will be different for different people

[grizzled wren]

I don't feel that he actually has a crazy amount of HP or long invincibilities or anything. If it's taking a long time to kill him, then you probably haven't found and gotten comfortable with all the safe ways to deal damage yet, so you're spending unnecessary time dodging around without hitting back.

[dense anchor]

||poly|| usually melts if you get a good build going, which is easier to set up in ||ephyra||. try going for arcana like ||origination and the furies|| and getting the former set up before you fight him

[golden sparrow]

Does ||The Oath|| ever target guardians from ||the surface||? I have been choosing routes based on it but don't think it's ever sent me anywhere but down

[desert robin]

it does

[golden sparrow]

Good to know, I'll keep following it for now then, thanks

[fossil condor]

Each weapon has 8 testaments, so every boss will be represented

[quiet parcel]

yeah more meta and game sense and this fight has gotten into the range of normal boss tanky rather than infinite boss tanky

now i have reached the guy who stole ||fire from the gods|| and is now stealing my runs

[unborn plaza]

Don't stay close to him all the time, dodge his attacks, attack a bit and then go back

Otherwise he starts throwing punches and take half your health

[quiet parcel]

What about if I just panic

Lol I'll try that next time. The other thing that got me was the full screen attack, which I deduced ||is telegraphed by the red flashes in the sequence that it will happen||

I had trouble with the ||Eris|| ||spread fire attack|| until I learned to just ||stay away or behind cover||

[fossil condor]

She turns slowish

Can abuse that

[quiet parcel]

I mean that helps for most attacks but not the one that flattens like 90° in front of her

[fossil condor]

360 - 90 =270!

[quiet parcel]

But when you're in the 90... 💀

[fossil condor]

I would simply try not to be bc that hurts

(And she turns slowly)

[quiet parcel]

Hence my solutions being distance and cover

But someday I shall outturn the 90

[fossil condor]

I mean, that works. But if you can avoid while also getting to attack its preferable

[quiet parcel]

Valid

[fossil condor]

Also that move has way more range than the red zone which is painful

[quiet parcel]

Yeah I have been fighting pretty slow, which I figure will not work in all scenarios

[fossil condor]

I find turning on the timer in settings helps you get a better sense of urgency

[serene laurel]

the longer a fight takes, the more opportunities you have to get hit- enemies can't hurt you if they're dead!

[fossil condor]

Or at least gives you a way to see “how you’re doing” relative to other runs and sort of compare how things are working on the fly

[vivid flare]

Dash through the boss and you won't be

[remote tartan]

just got the game last night, beat [redacted] on night 13 LFG!!

[fossil condor]

Congration

[primal trench]

conflagration

[winter basin]

Congregation

[tidal moss]

Why would you be looking for group in a single player game? :P

[remote tartan]

you didn’t hear? they added 4 player co op

[tidal moss]

👀 👀 👀

[remote tartan]

ngl that would be so fun. just x2 the entire dungeon size per player in the group

[tidal moss]

I don't feel the game would work with more than one player without a major rework (most of all room sizes and visual clarity improvements) but I would love an endless mode or some kind of friends leaderboard/daily challenge mode

[winter basin]

Isn’t somebody already making a co-op mod though?

Thought I heard that somewhere in here

[remote tartan]

yea i mean they would absolutely have to make major changes to implement something like that but it would be hella fun. increase dg size, increase all mob / boss HP to scale with amount of players. etc

[desert robin]

vow of miscommunication: for each room, 1-2 of the 4 players will be randonly selected to have mirrored controls

[remote tartan]

thats awesome! cries in pain i could get it on pc but i prefer console for the psn trophy achievements

[desert robin]

vow of incompetence: for each player present buff enemies /debuff players by %

[winter basin]

Steam achievements

[desert robin]

76f co-op clear by dark omen (boonless) using morrigan on four accounts

[winter basin]

That just sounds like standard game balancing tbh

[desert robin]

making enemies harder ye
But make that standard
And have a vow to push it further

[tidal moss]

76f clear playing with 2 hands and 2 feet on 4 laptops

[desert robin]

dark omen will clear it sub 10 trust

[tidal moss]

I just need the endless mod from hades 1 back

[winter basin]

I mean there’s one that gives you six runs in a row already

I’ve played it before

So not truly endless but might as well be

[desert robin]

67f six in a row

call up frei

[winter basin]

Point is it’s 6 runs in a row and every run a new god gets added to the pool until you have every main god by the end

The regions get shorter each run

[desert robin]

oh so its getting easier
But thats fine
Still six in a row no rest

[winter basin]

Also no minor rewards

So you get OP faster

[desert robin]

ooo
Doesnt sound bad actually

[winter basin]

Nah usually by the second run you can just steamroll anything

[desert robin]

if we were to get a coop mod with 76f
Whats the four 🐐 who are clearing it first try

[desert robin]

needs balancing
Reset everything at end of one run
No debuffs to regions
Rawdog it

[remote tartan]

hahaha yea but i have way more time put into my psn account for plat trophies, including hades 1

so just never really wanted to “restart”

i will say tho, damn at the difference between h1 and 2. feels like i gotta abandon everything i learned in the first game and go do a ton of homework for builds again bc i have no idea what boons are better than others for which aspects etc

[tidal moss]

There's a build guide pinned in #h2-builds-and-combat, but in general you want flat damage on fast hitting weapons, and %damage on slower, hard hitting weapons/omegas

[remote tartan]

ty i’ll check that out! i used to watch a ton of haelian’s build vids for h1 but since i just picked up h2 last night i haven’t really done much research. just been feeling it out and trying diff stuff. mainly been running the sister blades with poseidon’s keepsake but also been switching back and forth between whichever wep has the aura

[tidal moss]

Personally I would never recommend haelian because I have beef with some of his takes but he has plenty of good builds for early game and low fear on just about every aspect

And yeah all weapons and aspects are good to use and win runs with (except selene)

[remote tartan]

i never had much to do with the community during my h1 play through so he was just the CC i found that seemed to have the most laid out detail as well as a very simple visual layout that made it way easier to go off of. do you have any suggestions for other CCs that cover lots of builds?

[golden sparrow]

Does Shimmering Moonshot (Your Specials bounce toward up to +2 foes, dealing +10% damage for each hit) apply to the omega special as well?

[golden sparrow]

Yes it does

[fossil condor]

Yes

Any time it says Specials it means both

Attacks, means both

If it just says Special or Attack it excludes the omega

[golden sparrow]

Makes sense, that language is what made me think so as well

[tidal moss]

My preferred cc is a guy called boated, he got the first 1.0 clear and showcases some of the more consistent and meta options, rather than the fun runs haelian does, but it's really just who you prefer

[remote tartan]

i gotcha, much appreciated. i’ll check him out too. haelian does tend to showcase some silly things, i do agree. but they’re fun to try out 😂

[tidal moss]

The way I see it is that haelian does meme builds for 32f and boated does the meta builds for 62f+

[remote tartan]

ah ok fair. i think the most i ever pushed on h1 was 32, maybe just slightly higher. but for the most part i reckon any build either of them show regardless of the fear level would be good? (other than maybe certain cards you’d want to take at different difficulties)

i say regardless of fear level bc right now i’ve not even started pushing fear

[winter basin]

boated still very much posts 32 fear fun run videos and that's what a lot of their content is now. But they do still do high and max fear on occasion

Honeslty both of them are about the same as far as "look at the crazy build we got today" with 32-40 fear but Boated actually has 65 and 67 fear clears while Haelian has a fair few 62 clears

I'd say though anybody here would get just about as much reasonable info from any of the other 62+ players as they'd get from a content creator

Just not really fair to say Boated's content doesn't also include meme builds, just it's clear they don't focus on high fear anywhere near as much now as they used to

[fossil condor]

I saw a boated thumbnail today that was total bait

Keepsake tier list and the thumbnail had bell S and jp F

[tidal moss]

Fear is considered to be a bit easier/more consistent than hades 1 was, I reckon you'd be able to do 50f pretty easily if you work up to it, and following either youtuber/asking for advice here will be all you need

[remote tartan]

alright appreciate it i’ve yet to unlock any aspects of the weapons but hoping i get there soon. just unlocked the skull weapon and it seems pretty fun so far. right now i guess looking for specific builds isnt a huge concern since im just using all the base weps. i will say it seems like damn near all the boons in h2 seem… far more underwhelming than h1. maybe because poseidon’s dash in h1 was so good im just missing that 😂

[tidal moss]

You're also still at the very start of the game, you get way stronger, and once you unlock and upgrade all the arcana, you can essentially activate an extra 100% global damage buff

[remote tartan]

yea good point haha. what is the max arcana you can get? i’ve upgraded it to around 25ish right now, maybe a little more

[tidal moss]

Max grasp is 30

There is also no like flipped or reverse arcana, what you see is what you get and that's it, compared to mirror

[remote tartan]

yea tbh i prefer the mirror mechanic more than the cards but it’ll grow on me the more i play im sure

[tidal moss]

Becasue you have a limit on grasp there's more of an either or kinda thing if that makes sense?

Like there are 3 or 4 different arcana builds for various purposes

It's way better than the mirror imo

[remote tartan]

i see. what cards should i be more focused on running while i’m still progressing everything so early? i think i probably have the majority of cards active that i should have just based on their description. running sorceress, wayward, huntress, furies, persistence, origination, centaur, death, swift runner, messenger, and enchantress right now

[tidal moss]

Origination and death are the two big ones

[remote tartan]

at least i got that right lmao

[tidal moss]

Persistence is also good to upgrade

[tidal moss]

As long as you ignore excellence, unseen, and judgement, you'll be right

[remote tartan]

i think i’ve maybe not gotten to the point of upgrading them? unless im just confused haha. all i’ve done is unlock and activate the cards, im able to further upgrade them later?

[tidal moss]

Yes

[remote tartan]

oh well that’s nice

[tidal moss]

So yeah all the arcana can be upgraded, you defo need to unlock them all first tho

[remote tartan]

gotcha gotcha. been actively buying the whatever it’s called after each run from the broker that you need to upgrade arcana but i’ve been kinda neglecting rooms that drop ashes so might need to start farming those more

[tidal moss]

Psyche? yeah, always a good idea to get all the resources, even if you dont need them right away you will need them later

[remote tartan]

yea psyche. and yea i’ve just been more concerned with trying to grab any boons i can get for the prophecies but damn this game has way more resources / materials to worry about lol

[tidal moss]

Focus more on resources than boons I reckon, you'll progress alot faster

[remote tartan]

will do! also, what are the meta hermes boons now? and which ones should i just completely ignore?

only asking bc i’m mid run and have his boons pulled up to choose from, hard target looks fairly decent

[opal mural]

Nimble Limbs and Mean Streak are pretty meh

[tidal moss]

There are no 'bad' hermes boons, it's just kinda what fits ur run best

[remote tartan]

ight tyvm 🫡 hasty retreat actually looks nicer than hard target tbh

[opal mural]

Nitro Boost and Success Rate are typically considered the best ones though Success Rate is more situational

[remote tartan]

welp my choices are hasty, hard target, and stutter step lol. honestly kinda hard for me to decide if hasty or hard target would benefit me more atm

[opal mural]

I seem to like Hard Target more than other people

But I would take Hasty Retreat over it on underworld I think

[remote tartan]

yea since i’m running skull atm i figured hasty would help more

already easy enough to dodge majority of the projectiles since i’m long range anyway

[opal mural]

On Skull, I don't play it much but movement speed I would think is not as important because you have the special for movement

[remote tartan]

that’s a fair point too. i really do enjoy that since i don’t have the dash spam i had with zagreus haha

[remote tartan]

does success rate effect pressure points?

it sounds like it does just based on how it reads but don’t wanna take it unless it for sure does

sweet

[rustic hinge]

everything but dodge and daze

[remote tartan]

dope ty just wanted to confirm

[golden sparrow]

Does ||Eris|| get more defense and/or health in her final phase? Just encountered her for the first time, I feel like I definitely should have cleared that final health bit but it suddenly was taking forever, a lot was happening though so I can't be sure

I didn't see her health jump but my damage suddenly felt awful

[tidal moss]

No

[golden sparrow]

Hm okay, not sure what happened then, maybe some hits weren't landing, there was a lot of visual clutter

[winter basin]

She flies away a lot more on her final phase and every time she flies she clears any curses she has on her

She also goes invulnerable slightly before she actually disappears if I’m correct

So chances are you were thinking you were hitting her but she was in her flying animation

[golden sparrow]

I had aspect of thanatos going brr so between that and her fire and hitboxes I honestly couldn't see much, this makes the most sense though it just felt like my damage stopped suddenly

[winter basin]

Yeah axes have a bit of trouble dealing with her constantly moving around if you don’t manage to just instantly bum rush her with damage

[golden sparrow]

From my 1 fights worth of experience I'd agree, wished I had most anything else with me every time I started charging the omega and chasing her

I need more practice so I could be dead wrong but aspect of than felt especially bad becuase it seemed like being behind her was safe but it just kept me too immobile to get there and kinda made her hard to see

[winter basin]

Yeah that definitely happens sometimes. Every weapon has its bad matchups, even the best ones in the game

[tidal moss]

What would you say are staffs bad matchups then

[winter basin]

I mean staff doesn’t really have any great matchups or particularly bad matchups I guess 🤷‍♂️ it’s the boring middle child of all weapons in the game.

It’s not a like staff has crazy damage setups, nor is it especially held back against any bosses

It’s a Mario of weapons

Meanwhile an aspect like ||Morrigan|| was outright said to me by its single best player that it’s not a chronos-friendly weapon

And so I felt a bit validated after losing a ton of 62F runs to rivals Chronos

[true ibex]

i started hades 2 a few days back, and i've gotten to chronos quite a bit of times, but i was die in the end, my main build is aspect of mel sister blades and aphrodites attack, is there any builds i should aim/add to my build?

[shy zephyr]

use the furies and origination arcana
the blade's base special is its strongest move, run zeus or hera on it and spam it from a safe distance
the best hammers you can take are trick knives and reaper blades in that order

[desert robin]

put hitch on your special

[shy zephyr]

if you wanna play around attacks, aphro is actually a bad choice. my favorites are zeus or apollo or poseidon

[true ibex]

So what boons should I be looking out for?

[shy zephyr]

i just told you lol

[desert robin]

flat damage attack boons and hitch special with tk is optimal
but you wont always get it

[shy zephyr]

for specials, hera or zeus or maybe even apollo

[true ibex]

Sorry I just saw a bunch of gods and got confused mb

[true ibex]

tk?

[shy zephyr]

trick knives

[true ibex]

Ohhh

[shy zephyr]

best hammer you can get on blades and the second most strongest hammer in the whole game

[true ibex]

Oh wow

I chose that a few times I thought it was good

[shy zephyr]

it is!

[true ibex]

So hera/Zeus on special and flat damage on attack?

[tidal moss]

Yep

[true ibex]

Any gods in specific that give the best flat damage?

[opal mural]

Zeus > Hestia > Poseidon > Hephaestus

[proven gazelle]

hestia really wants pyro tech though keep in mind

hestia goes 1 of 2 ways, pyro tech or freezer burn, while posiedon is pretty consistent out the gate and stuff like arterial, king tide, and froth are just amazing add ons

[desert robin]

we all love pyro

[vivid flare]

Aphro Attack is terrible on the knives if you don't roll a hammer that increases the base damage (which is, like, 10). You want flat damage like Poseidon or Hestia

[mellow comet]

Does anyone know how to get to the resources farming boons from Poseidon more frequently, as opposed to the damage ones? Thanks.

[opal mural]

By filling in your core slots

[mellow comet]

What do you mean by that?

[opal mural]

The way boon offerings work is as long as you have a core boon slot open (attack, special, cast, sprint, gain), you will be offered at least one if possible

[mellow comet]

Ahhh, got it. Thanks a lot.

[mellow comet]

How different are Ares boons compared to H1?

[shy zephyr]

very much

[mellow comet]

Is it still good for slower, multi-hit weapons?

[shy zephyr]

the core boons aren't very great by themselves unfortunately

grisly gain and grevious blow are amazing
you have to take a bunch of boons from him that synergize with each other, then it starts to really pop off

[vivid flare]

His cores (especially the Attack and Special) are like his brother's, where they're not great on their own, but start to ramp up a ton with the T2s they open up on the way to his Legendary

[mellow comet]

Ok. Thank you so much.

[vivid flare]

Though Heph's Blasts have better Duos than Ares's Wounds (the blades, however...)

[mellow comet]

For whatever reason, I’m having a harder time putting a strong build together in H2, than I did in H1. I’m sure I just need to probably play a bit longer.

[polar laurel]

when starting out a lot of that is likely just because you dont know the boons super well and don't have all the tools at your disposal to make good builds. once you get better, youll see mel is kinda way stronger than zag

in h2, secondary boons are a lot more important, and duos are comparatively a bit less important

a lot of secondary boons are incredibly important

[vivid flare]

You don't have the boon list yet to know what the prerequisites for things are, plus you're still missing stuff like your full card loadout and your aspect bonuses

[quiet parcel]

Is the fight with ||Chronos|| initially a ||scripted loss||? I came verrrry close to ||killing him and I'm curious if I actually would have but for the scripting. I got the scene right afterwards where you control Hades in the House||

[shy zephyr]

nope, it's possible to win your very first run of a new file

someone has done it damageless too

[vivid flare]

No, ||there is a safe zone at the start of phase 2||

[vivid flare]

Hell, there's even a dialogue flag for you getting to the final boss on your first run

[quiet parcel]

aw darn. i came so close

[golden sparrow]

Are there any good resources for base odds of certain events in game? Like odds of ||Nemesis||, boon for in vs out of pool god, hammer vs boon, minor vs major?

[desert robin]

video?

[mellow comet]

Thank you.

[mellow comet]

Thanks again!

[remote tartan]

so in terms of farming resources, should i focus on going up or down more? or is it kinda 50/50 with the amount

[vivid flare]

Focus on what you need more in that particular moment

Or focus on what route gets you a bounty done

[tidal moss]

Depends on what you need more at the time

[remote tartan]

fair enough, today i’ve realized i needed to def go up more than anything else. almost made it to the very end but either died at the very end of or right after ||prometheus||

[tidal moss]

Yeah there's another boss after prom, 4 regions and 4 boss fights both ways

[remote tartan]

ok yea i killed him and then died before making it to the 4th i think

[tidal moss]

Mhm

[golden sparrow]

||Prometheus|| is the only boss in the game to have killed me more than once so far. That guy feels really rough. Not unfair, just need practice, but compared to all before wow

I feel like thanatos axe was again a bit rough, his close range attacks come out so fast that trying to exist next to him feels like a mistake in hindsight

[fossil condor]

The axes are unwieldy anyway

Being punished for accidentally doing regular attack combo instead of all dash strikes or combo breaking yourself is annoying

[golden sparrow]

I'm never happy to see thirst on it that's for sure

[fossil condor]

Charon is fun once you get the hang of it at least

[golden sparrow]

I think I'll try that one next time it comes up, I thought I'd like Than more for the strike speed but having to rely on the omegas kinda negates it

[shy zephyr]

https://youtu.be/nyeQJpKKlyw

[vivid flare]

I mean, ideally you should be combo breaking, you really don't want to use the slam if you can avoid it

[fossil condor]

Yeah, I’m saying the axe playstyle of having to do that or get punished is annoying to me

I hated that about h1 sword and I hate it here too

[golden sparrow]

Oh I remember feeling similar things with H1 sword now that you mention it yeah

Maybe it's a me thing but having some distance helped a lot, just came back with Selene coat and did it hitless, probably need to know his moves more before fighting close

[tidal moss]

😒

[golden sparrow]

Don't worry ||Typhon|| got me in the end

Think it was close though, took a lot of damage at the start of each phase on new attacks will get him next time

[thick nova]

So hey anyone know which gods are good for torches,attacks and specials?

[tidal moss]

Check the pins in #h2-builds-and-combat

[keen rose]

How do I unlock the rank 4 vow of rivals?

[tidal moss]

Have you reached the credits?

[remote tartan]

running umbral flames and just came across ||medea|| , any particular options that are worth taking over others?

[shy zephyr]

||+5 magick per room and enemies lose 50% armor||

[remote tartan]

tyvm

[loud tiger]

how on earth do i find g rock? it has been like 30 runs on the field of mourning and i still havent found one

[shy zephyr]

take raki for a higher chance

[oak elk]

Can someone explain how to fulfill Improbable Outcomes prophecy?

I did
night 1:Chaso above
night 2: Chaos trial (not random one)
night 3: CHaos below
it still don't count the prophecy

[restive pike]

I think your mistake was completing another chaos trial. You need to complete (great) Chaos above/below and then complete the one you didn't. For example:
Night 1: Chaos above
Night 2: Chaos below
Don't do another chaos trial in between those

[winter basin]

Yeah it has to be on consecutive nights with nothing in-between

[tidal moss]

It can be two below in a row

[dense anchor]

yea but arthur did a non-randomised trial

oh wait nvm I'm dumb

yes it can be two belows or two aboves in a row

[tribal remnant]

i can't post an image but can anyone help me understand something, i haven't done the ||melinoe help us prophecy but i "finished the game" the myths retold menu says something i dont get, was i supposed find it before finishing the game?||

[winter basin]

||It changes after you reach credits so you have to complete the stuff it says about making relations with the different characters. Then it gives you a secret final thing to do||

[tribal remnant]

so should i use that thing ||at the statue where it says reverse story progression||?

or is it the exact same?

[winter basin]

No what that has nothing to do with it

[tribal remnant]

oh i thought ||since it changes after credits then it's a completely different quest||

[winter basin]

No

It’s the same thing. As I said ||it automatically updates when you reach credits||

[dense anchor]

that just resets the ||main storyline (and you can only get the epilogue after the main storyline)||

[tribal remnant]

thank you

[remote tartan]

holy.. blood shield just carried me so freakin hard for ||typhon|| omg

[golden sparrow]

Is there any incentive to actually do a full run on each level of fear? I saw some speculation around launch that eventually there would be but I don't think there is?

[tidal moss]

Wdym each level of fear

[proven gazelle]

i mean you have the testaments that go up to 20 and the statue that requires a 32 run

[golden sparrow]

In H1 you'd grind a full run for each weapon up to like 20 I think

[proven gazelle]

anything past that is for funsies, not much of the playerbase does over 32 so :P

[tidal moss]

Doesn't work the same in h2

[proven gazelle]

but its cool to say youve cleared stuff like 62/65/67 😌

[golden sparrow]

Seems like a popular choice but hurts ngl. Doing the slow progression grind of each level in H1 is what really made the game for me, idc if it's titan blood or nightmare or whatever

[golden sparrow]

This is true at least 🙏

[proven gazelle]

the fear system also doesnt increment by 1 like h1 did, iirc its 8 different fear levels that cap at 20 for the testaments

since its a testament per boss

[golden sparrow]

Yeah, not really a fan of that either, but I think I'm in the minority as far as loving the grindiness of it, just fit the genre to me

low heat runs did get veeery easy pretty early on but it just gave a reason to keep slowly going higher

[proven gazelle]

youll also find that fear is a lot more fair than heat was

[golden sparrow]

I've heard 32 fear is much easier than 32 heat

[proven gazelle]

since you dont have to deal with stuff like approval process and underworld customs, so higher fear is a lot more consistent and fair than 32h was

my heat pb in h1 was 45, anything past that and the game starts getting ungodly luck focused while h2 youll find runners clearing 62s like nothing with how consistent it can be

[golden sparrow]

yeah it's been a minute but somewhere in 40s is where I tapped out. When I first heard 62 it sounded insane lol

[proven gazelle]

mhm but with how they structured fear it feels really good to keep pushing higher especially since its like 99% skill until you do 65/67

so much of it comes down to execution and decision making that very rarely for 62 do i feel like im just getting lucked out

[golden sparrow]

I think for me it looks like: Do up to 20 for each weapon without caring about full clears, then turn fear to 0 until all meta progression is done, then play with high heat fear if I wanna go further

[tidal moss]

Wdym full clears

[golden sparrow]

Like if my "target" is Hecate then the new system doesn't reward me for not beating ||Chronos|| unlike in Hades 1 where you had to beat a full run to really move to the next level

Basically in H1 if I didn't full clear a heat level I'd redo that heat level here as long as I got the target it doesn't matter

[tidal moss]

Ah true

It's way better like this imo

[loud tiger]

i've beaten Chronos once with paid dues, without paid dues i can barely make it out Cerberus

is that normal

[tidal moss]

No

[golden sparrow]

I'd be shocked if it was lol I don't even think paid dues is good

[tidal moss]

It's not

Well

It has its niche

[loud tiger]

i remember i had like 900 gold when i fight Chronos so im able to just eat most of his hit lol

[golden sparrow]

I mean it works lol, as far as "normal" though you should get to a point where you can beat him without tanking really

[tidal moss]

Atp turn on god mode

[proven gazelle]

isnt paid dues a 1:1 for damage and gold 😭

900 without pain is kinda dubious icl

[tidal moss]

Yes

[golden sparrow]

iirc its 3 gold for each damage?

[wintry rivet]

I remember 3 gold for 1 dmg unless it is changed

[vivid flare]

3:1 gold:damage

[proven gazelle]

ahh ok so less crazy ig

i almost never take paid dues as is so :P

[vivid flare]

I mean, it's also bad in a lot of scenarios

[quiet parcel]

i got verrrry close to my first win with paid dues and a crapton of money. got ||phase 2 chronos|| to a sliver of health

but my first actual win did not involve paid dues

i think i spent all my money in about the ||first phase|| lol

[desert robin]

hug him
Dash through him when he attacks
Which works for all his moves except his own dash
But that should be a lot less dmg than ur taking rn

[remote tartan]

speaking of fear, what’s the ideal setup for vows as you begin pushing higher? i know in h1 there were a few that were always much more worth taking and some that people would avoid at all costs

[shy zephyr]

avoid hordes and void at all costs

[proven gazelle]

pain, scars3 specifically, grit, hoards, void are all heavy avoids until the 45+ push

void stays off until the 65/67 push

scars3 stays off until the 60 -> 62 push

and grit/hoards/pain get scaled as you go past 45

stuff like frenzy2, timer3, rivals4, denial, etc etc all should go on asap so you get used to the mechanical feel and decisionmaking

[shy zephyr]

scars is lowkey free up to the second level, don't let it scare you

[proven gazelle]

even second level is lowkey free

scars3 is the only nasty part of it

[shy zephyr]

and then it becomes actually terrifying at third level

[remote tartan]

sweet ty. so far only thing i’ve really ran is timer & extra foes since timer is like the most free fear you can get lol

so guess gonna turn off hordes xD

[loud tiger]

how do i get the option to feed my pets?

now i only get the invite or greet them

[tidal moss]

You need to have || all off the pets before you can upgrade them||

[loud tiger]

i have 3 of them

[tidal moss]

There are ||5||

[quiet parcel]

do you or do you just need ||that incantation||?

[dense anchor]

it's a requirement

[vivid flare]

It's a requirement to get the incantation

[red bone]

Does hades 2 have deep character arcs and good characters, Am told hades 1 is pretty gud especially wif sum characters helpin ya in battle

[polar wraith]

mechanically hades 1 and 2 npcs are pretty similar

[polar laurel]

well, hades 2 npcs are substantially developed. they do more things and have way more offerings

in h1 there were only 9 npc offerings in total

[quiet parcel]

Am I supposed to do anything in particular after getting the quest to ||find the Three Fates||? I don't want too much of a spoiler but I've made zero progress other than a bunch of characters telling me ||they have no idea where they are||

Does it advance as I advance the main story or is it a separate thing?

[polar laurel]

Just like in hades 1, you have to get a good relationship with a bunch of characters. The board will give hints as to which characters those are

If it's not doing that yet, it will soon

[quiet parcel]

Ah, does it have to do with the ||little hearts|| that appear ||next to some of the prophecies||? Like the ones to ||awaken Hypnos and reunite Narcissus and Echo||

[polar laurel]

Not that, but I don't actually remember what the trigger is for it to give more information

[quiet parcel]

Lol. Okay so just keep playing and handing out a bunch of nectar then

[polar laurel]

Well, yeah. Pretty much. The answer to most questions in hades is "keep playing"

[quiet parcel]

according to this you have to ||reach the postgame first|| lol so yeah just keep playing ig

[tidal moss]

Spoilers

[quiet parcel]

crap, silly embed, i think i fixed it

[true ibex]

if i were to equip luckier tooth and then un equip it later on, will i still keep the death defiance?

[desert robin]

no

[proven gazelle]

for a bit deeper of an answer, trinkets that say "for the night" last even when removed! examples are fig leaf, silver wheel, experimental hammer, chaos egg, etc etc

[true ibex]

ohh okay thank you!

[nova sapphire]

I wish I knew this earlier on my game lol. I figured this out after I had already gotten past beating above ground.

[merry belfry]

Yo any tips what weapon should i use? I dont have the like power ups yet i dont even defeat chronos any weapon?

[wintry rivet]

It depends what you are comfortable with

All weapon are good

[polar laurel]

I've seen people really run with weapons I didn't like and do well

[pliant iron]

Axe is probably the most janky/difficult when you initially get it.

[polar laurel]

Good ospecial tho. Long range high damage

I pretty much just spammed axe osepecial to get my first ||surface|| win

[desert robin]

when you learnt about charon you burst into tears of joy

[polar laurel]

Literally, yeah

Iirc I got my ||surface|| win before I gained access to aspects

[drowsy panther]

Except axes with frenzy on

[jade elk]

Howww
I've beaten chronos a few times but haven't been able to do that haha

[polar laurel]

I attribute it to hades 1 practice

I more or less second tried each area (with the exception of ||ephyra|| for obvious reasons)

[jovial falcon]

Tips on beating final boss on the surface?

Every time I ran into other bosses I almost beat them first try but start selling after I learned their moves lol

[vivid flare]

Stay near him. ||Typhon's head slam is the easiest of his attacks to bait out, and his other attacks either have dead zones right next to him, or are also easier to dodge when you're up on top of him||

[jovial falcon]

Cool, the head slam is my only problem it’s so hard to time

I think I almost had him my first try because after Zeus left he started doing crazy shxt lol

I was panic dodging

[polar laurel]

it can help to try to get movement speed bonus boons

which apollo, ares, and hermes have

[ocean island]

Is there any way to see who i have to ||give néctar to get the last keepsakes?||

[winter basin]

||Everybody you can gift minus a few characters will give you a keepsake the first time you gift them but there’s an incantation after you’ve given enough gifts to be able to see relationship progress in the book of shadows||

[ocean island]

Is there a way to know who im missing tho

[wintry rivet]

You can ask here by saying which keepsake you are missing, their position is fixed so people can identify it

[vivid flare]

Well, if you have a Book of Shadows entry for them, then you've gifted them at least once

[merry belfry]

Yo can i ask how does others when holding the normal or special attack on sister blades it slows down but mine not

[shy zephyr]

eternity arcana

top row, second from the right

[vivid flare]

Those people are probably running the Eternity Arcana (which I don't recommend, but you do you)

[merry belfry]

Which should i use? Mel one or pan? I never defeated chronos tbh

[severe path]

Question — how many times do you have to beat ||the surface final boss||? I’ve just had my first very close victory, but the game was very vague as to how many are actually required for progression

[polar wraith]

speak with hecate and you should soon receive an incantation that answers your question. The actual number youre asking for is || 4 ||

[merry belfry]

Yo guys im just new and i cant win idk why what weapon should i use im rocking with sister blades with level 4 mel and level 1 pan and what boons should i use

[vivid flare]

Knives work best with flat damage. Splashes, Scorch, Blitz, and Blasts to a lesser extent

[stiff dawn]

chat do I sell extended family 🤔

I've heard it's overrated and it already doesn't seem tooo great

[fossil condor]

It’s a global damage bonus and those are pretty strong

[vivid flare]

It's not global damage, it's effect damage

[vivid flare]

It always gives you at least 15% damage to your status and other Olympian effects if you're playing correctly, and more if you get lucky (i.e. getting an ||Artemis|| spawn, getting Infusions outside of your god pool when pulling All Together, finding ||Dionysus||)

And considering how strong things like Blitz, Scorch, Fine Line, blades, Blasts, and so on are, it's never a bad thing to see

[fossil condor]

Oh, today I learned

What does that mean practically?

[opal mural]

Yeah Uncommon Grace is global, Extended Family is only Olympian damage

[fossil condor]

So if you have 10 weapon damage and 40 splash, it boosts 40 by 15% (example) and 10 by nothing

[vivid flare]

Correct

[fossil condor]

What if you have 10 weapon damage boosted by 100%?

[vivid flare]

Still nothing

[fossil condor]

so % attack boons don’t turn your whole attack into Olympian damage?

[vivid flare]

Correct

[fossil condor]

Or even any of it?

That’s wild to me

[vivid flare]

Now, there is a slight exception for Wounds, because Olympian damage boosts will boost the Power bonus from applying it

[fossil condor]

Makes sense

[stiff dawn]

gocha gocha alright

[vivid flare]

(This is yet another reason that, despite their Duo suggesting otherwise, Hera and Zeus's kits play really well off one another)

[noble quail]

dumb question, do the boons arctic gale and local climate stack, with storm rising? Or am I wasting choices

[merry belfry]

Should i use Poseidon or Aphrodite? For sister blades

[swift path]

I would highly recommend aphrodite

she pairs well with the twin blades

[merry belfry]

Idk hiw to build but so i get the special right?

[shy zephyr]

boons that have "ring" at the end of their name can't be picked with each other

arctic gale and local climate both can be taken with storm ring

[swift path]

I would recommend her attack or cast but if neither is an option then yea u can settle with the special

[noble quail]

well I just added glowing coal to it, so now it's glowing coal, storm rising, arctic gale and local cliamte

https://imgur.com/a/oaZSrEC added supernova

died to the sirens 🙁

[fossil condor]

Blades attack does very low damage but hits very quickly, it’s not a great match for Aphrodite

If you have the hammer that makes the final hit of the combo do extra, it can be okay

But otherwise you’d like to be taking advantage of those fast weak hits to apply scorch or blitz or splashes

[merry belfry]

Okay thanks wish this works haha

[merry belfry]

Bro i cant win over chronos bruh

[keen rose]

Yo, how do I unlock the level rank 4 vow of rivals?

[rustic hinge]

whats the prophecy say

[keen rose]

Just question marks

[polar wraith]

Beat both rivals 3

[proven gazelle]

and be post credits

[quiet parcel]

Is there any way to see the ||health bar|| for the ||surface|| final boss? Or am I always ||doomed to just have to guesstimate||

[polar laurel]

||no way to see the health bar, but he does visually change as the fight goes on||

[fossil condor]

Nope, his ||monstrosity is so much that it disappears||

[coarse dune]

its incredibly intimidating but its not as hard as you would think

[polar laurel]

usually i dont care too much about when he dies but there are those runs every once in a while where he just doesnt die and it gets really annoying and then i die because i start tanking too early thinking hes about to go down

[coarse dune]

yeah i hate it when my build is lacking in damage and it takes forever coz it just gets more and more stressful the longer hes alive

[coarse dune]

do you run strength?

[polar laurel]

usually

its more fun to play with strength, plus i usually do the fear that makes it harder to fast rather than making it harder to stay alive, so strength helps

[coarse dune]

fair enough
im on 82 nights and i don't run strength

could probably run strength but i just like the insurance of death

[polar laurel]

death is kinda better 😬 but strength is cooler

[coarse dune]

even tho i haven't died to anyone in underworld in 50 runs and only died to like two thing in || surface ||

[polar laurel]

i wish strength didnt get nerfed so hard

[coarse dune]

it got nerfed?

[polar laurel]

a ton

the most recent nerf i think was 50% -> 40% dr and 25% -> 20% damage

[coarse dune]

wow

[polar laurel]

i forget if those happened at the same time or one after the other

im pretty sure it used to be even stronger

[coarse dune]

that 10% damage reduction must have threw a lot of people off

[polar laurel]

another big one was moros' keepsake didnt used to count as a death defy for strength

so you basically got a sort of stubborn defiance plus all the huge benefits of strength

[coarse dune]

that would have been nice

any tips for aspect of artemis tryna get morrigan and i haven't played artemis since i first unlocked it

[polar laurel]

get big % damage on the attack and spam omega attack ig

[rustic hinge]

kinda the same as mel but you can parry occasionally

[polar laurel]

yeah make sure you actually use the parry

it is a very substantial damage buff

and also it can help you dodge without putting yourself in a bad position

especially on ||rivals cerberus|| of all things ive found it helps a ton with positioning

also ||chronos and typhon|| since theyve got big damage zones

[coarse dune]

thanks ill see what i can do

wish me luck i get artemis on the first run

[polar laurel]

you wont because artemis was unfortunately removed from the game, but good luck anyways

[coarse dune]

what

well i got her but i just || found the fates || so i didn't get the phrase

[rustic hinge]

you dont need to use her aspect to get the phrase btw

[coarse dune]

you still need to use the knives tho right

[vivid flare]

Correct, in the last major update before release

[vivid flare]

No

[coarse dune]

huh

[fossil condor]

You have to meet the requirements ||all 3 blades aspects unlocked, one of Artemis or pan levelled to 5|| and then just keep talking to her

[polar laurel]

imo it was an over-nerf. should have kept the 25% damage

i feel like strength should be better than death

[coarse dune]

ive got atermis blades maxed

[rustic hinge]

youll get it eventually then

[vivid flare]

I think they should be on equal footing

[coarse dune]

thats funny i didn't realise you could parry || chronos one shots ||

[polar laurel]

the parry works on like everything its very silly

[coarse dune]

what does rousing reception even do im so confused

[polar wraith]

while your cast is on the ground. Enemies who spawn in will immediately take some flat damage

[coarse dune]

that sounds terrible

[polar wraith]

its not very great. Its primary use is being a potential prerequisite for heras legendary

[fossil condor]

It’s extremely mid

How often is your cast still down while stuff spawns

And you’d usually rather re-cast after new enemies spawn

[polar laurel]

heres an idea for rousing reception that would be cooler imo: enemies that enter your cast after its placed take a substantial chunk of damage

synergizes with apollo cast size growth, ares-demeter duo, and just luring enemies in

[coarse dune]

bridal glow

you are now my most hated hera boon

you just rarified rousing reception

[polar laurel]

welp

[rustic hinge]

usually always

[coarse dune]

i had 27 other boons

[polar laurel]

bridal glow is so unreliable, you cant expect it to do any good for you ever

[coarse dune]

i like it when i get it early

one time it hit volcanic strike for me

[polar laurel]

and thats great and all, but imo it would be better to just get other actual real boons

[coarse dune]

yeah

[fossil condor]

The other actual boons offered: reception, sacrifice

[polar laurel]

hey, hera isnt so bad

hera has pretty solid secondaries

better than aphrodite imo

[rustic hinge]

cmon hera is top 2

[potent quail]

hot take i know zeus is technically the top 1 and has the strongest boons but i still think hera is more useful generally

hitch is busted, bridal is situational but good, proper upbringing one of the best infusions imo, she also has some really good duos and tier 2 boons

and probably the best legendary?

i can't think of a combination of 3 boons hera could possibly offer you where all of the boons are ass and there isn't one that's at least "alright" and i don't think i can say the same for other gods

[polar wraith]

hera is generally strong. The only downside is the single target damage

[vivid flare]

Even her single-target is solid

[coarse dune]

shes really nice for p status as well

[coarse dune]

i don't understand supay at all please help

[hidden otter]

Basically it auto-targets nearby enemies with Attack, and Special auto-orbits. Then Omegas just enhance both those moves. Meanwhile it will make your rush boon do more damage. I think thats basically it

[coarse dune]

nevermind bridal glow hit grievous blow i like it again

[coarse dune]

thank you

[dry orbit]

I can't seem to use morrigan correctly. I'm trying to special, attack, dash away then omega attack back, but holding attack after dash doesn't start the omega until it does the second normal attack which I don't want. How can I fix this?

[unborn plaza]

Special, hold attack, dash, release attack

[dry orbit]

tysm!!

[frigid crystal]

I need help with something,,, the hidden aspect of the Moonstone Axe isn't revealing itself???
I followed the instructions provided on the wiki ||(upgrade aspect of Charon or Thanatos to level 5, then talk to Charon),|| but ||Charon|| gives me nothing but filler dialogue? did i do something wrong? or are the instructions incorrect?

[wintry rivet]

Did you unlocked all axe aspect?

All but hidden i mean

[frigid crystal]

i didn't... is unlocking all other aspects nessacary? cuz i dont remember reading that on the wiki...

[wintry rivet]

It is necessary

Wiki is often outdated

[frigid crystal]

ah ok, thanks!

[frigid crystal]

yep, i got it immediately after i unlocked the aspect of charon lol

[fickle ruin]

||typhon|| is so easy its just i can never make it to him in anything close to good condition

[winter basin]

||prometheus and Olympus is definitely a breaking point for most new players. Olympus is generally considered to be the hardest region in the game because of just how much wack crap the enemies can do and then dealing with summit after that can be rough||

||it’s also a massive swing region on times where it can take up to 3x as long as getting good RNG on encounters||

[fickle ruin]

||weirdly i find the summit harder than olympus, and i've got prometheus's patterns down hes pretty predictable. the boss i struggle most with is eris, always eats my dd's||

[winter basin]

||prometheus also breaks a lot of conventions of most bosses in the game with just how mobile he is and how fast his moves are. It feels more like playing a fighting game than fighting a boss sometimes||

[winter basin]

||Tip for Eris, literally just dodge through her and walk circles around her. She turns very slowly and can’t catch you if you just walk around her||

Once you know how she works she’s one of the easiest bosses in the game

But it’s definitely rough if you get some bad patterns or if she doesn’t cooperate

[fickle ruin]

she likes to throw herself up against walls a lot

[winter basin]

Yeah there’s not much you can do in those situations other than hug up close to her to do damage and dodge through her as she turns or wait until she moves out of the corner

The reason why her and ||prometheus|| contrast so much is you can’t just simply dodge through ||Prometheus|| and stay behind him

[remote tartan]

bonkers to me that i think my fastest ||scylla|| kill was with ||selene coat|| just now, somehow. like 30-40s