h2-for-new-players

[lilac mica]

idk if u can see what i got in my run

it was very overpowered

[opal mural]

Circe is not the default staff

With default (Mel) staff you want Zeus attack first (only very good when upgraded though), Circe wants Zeus cast (and works great even without upgrading it)

[lilac mica]

mb i forgot i did that lol

[astral gorge]

I cant switch to Knuckle bones for Cronos? Is it always locked when you reach Tartarus?

Its the only keepsake I cant switch to.

[rustic hinge]

did you use it on that run?

[astral gorge]

Nope, I had been leveling something else.

I ended up going with luckier tooth, but still, seems weird.

[winter basin]

Knuckle Bones is probably just locked until you reach credits or something

You can absolutely use it on him normally

[astral gorge]

I have beaten him once so far, didnt notice the lock before.

[winter basin]

Yeah so probably just locked until after credits

[opal mural]

Maybe you used it vs Hecate or Scylla then switched

[astral gorge]

Nope, I used Adamant thingie to level it up for the first three zones.

(regions)

We'll see if it happens again next game.

[lilac mica]

so does hypnos ever wake up?

[astral orchid]

Post credit after doing lots of stuff

[stiff hawk]

gift him 2 nectars, then there will be something cool you can do

though in order to wake him up for real you need to beat the game first and then ||talk to dad to get an item||

[lilac mica]

ah

i just beat chronos with the worst build possible 😭

zeus cast, hestia cast, zeus special with like 120 spcl dmg

it was so stupid and i died twice to chronos

[rustic hinge]

wym zeus cast and hestia cast

[wise locust]

Whatever you might mean there... those are good boons

[vivid flare]

As in you had one of the ranged casts?

[lunar canopy]

So I posted this a few weeks ago, and some of you might recall the subsequent discussion. Well I'm at like run 70 of Hades 2, and it is definitely much easier than the first game for me. I kill Chronos every time now, and I just passed Prometheus for the first time, in my last run. My most effective run has been with the Aspect of Persephone, specialing my way to victory in 15 minutes

[rustic hinge]

add some fear to make it harder

[desert robin]

I’m using the default staff with the aspect that lets you cast some attacks and its repeated a few times.
I have no idea how to use boons or get boons effectively tho.

[desert robin]

i upgraded my death defiance, and now that i know what attacks he does i should be fine

[stiff hawk]

taking 70 runs to beat Prometheus once is not something that I would call "easy"
how long did the first game take you?

[lilac mica]

when can i give gifts to hades, i feel so bad for himmmm 😭

[lilac mica]

i suggest just watching a yt vid on it, try to get circe + casts

casts builds especially with zeus/hestia's casts are SO good

[rustic hinge]

after the credits

[tribal imp]

how do i get outside

[lunar canopy]

Over 200 runs to get everything

[lilac sundial]

give it time and a few incantations

[tribal imp]

how do incant work btw are they just automatically activated

[lilac sundial]

at the big cauldron

[tribal imp]

yeah but do i have to activate them

or when i craft are they automtically on

[lilac sundial]

once you craft it, it is automatically and always on

[tribal imp]

okay ty, whats the best weapon btw*

[astral gorge]

From what I recall, fishing used to be much higher impact in the first game, right? Now its just... relatively low amount of bones, nothing special?

[lilac sundial]

comes down to personal preference they are well balanced.

[lilac sundial]

weren't bones or gems all you got in the first one too? You can also get water elements which can buff you, or heals with certain boons

[astral gorge]

Huh, when I turned in my fish in Hades 1 I had insane stuff sometimes. It felt OP 🤔

[proven gazelle]

Uhh for speedrunning its medea, for high fear its mel/circe staff, and if its anything else its all preference

Every weapon has cleared 65f and a really good chunk has done max fear, so play whatever you like most everything is viable to a point

[astral gorge]

Just bones is probably more realistic, but the cook gave really rare ressources for fish.

Well for rare fish, at least.

[lilac sundial]

oh right, well you can trade bones for virtually any other resource soooo

[astral gorge]

I may not have unlocked yet the ability to trade bones for anything, so far its useful yes but for mostly basic stuff.

Could change later! Still learning the new game.

[tribal imp]

idk what any of this means

i mean the starter weapons

[opal mural]

Base with no upgrades I think the best might actually be the coat lol

And staff of course

[desert robin]

circe aspect on staff?
Also im not really good at using casts, what is the general way they are used?

[opal mural]

Casts bind most normal enemies in the circle so it can be used defensively, but many cast boons can act as your primary damage as well

Also Furies card makes you deal more damage to enemies in casts

[eager wraith]

Area control, lightweight enemies can't enter or exit the circle. Heavy enemies are slowed, depending on their weight. Those enemies in Erebus that scream and lunge at you unstoppably? Entirely nullified, straight up instant wall with one button press, can't chase you past the binding circle.
The cast boons are cherry on top, free damage for minimal effort, and another way to apply another status curses to foes, all while letting you get around the arena much easier by limiting how much the enemies can reposition unpredictably

[wise locust]

Get a boon with "Ring" in the name, it's one of the core boons.

casts are great because they're extremely quick to perform but last a while doing doing damage once you have them upgraded

basically always be using it

Always Be Casting

[winter basin]

Yeah between furies arcana, how strong some of the cast boons are, and the extra crowd control there basically no reason to not constantly be throwing down casts

Especially since most of them very easily apply curses

[lilac mica]

just keep running around and dropping casts on people, best way is to use zeus' or hestia's "throwable" cast, since u can aim with it and "throw" it anywhere, instead of just at your feet

[wise locust]

Contraversial opinion, you give up a few things to be able to do that

Less contraversial opinion. Winner's Circle is absolutely insanely good, even at common rarity

and yeah, one thing that probably needs underlining like crazy is that you can cast like.... whenever you want and even cancel the recovery of a lot of moves into it, so it's almost free in those instances

A lot of players rebind their cast button to something they can reach more easily than the default. Particularly on pad, means your thumb isn't responsible for 4 commands you're using and swapping between a lot

[lilac mica]

i have cast on my MB5

[winter basin]

Yeah I have my cast on my thumb button on my mouse

[opal mural]

I put cast on scroll wheel and hex on keyboard, I should really get a mouse with additional buttons

[winter basin]

I mean center click or literally just using the scroll wheel is 100% viable

[desert robin]

oki

i was always so locked in on fighting scylla, i just realised "im gonna claw your eyes out" is a melinoe diss track because of the dialogue

[stiff hawk]

^ she also disses Arachne's dresses just cause

[desert robin]

ah
i assumed she was just referring to the default dress

also im curious
what aspect of skull do people use in speedruns? the bosses get deleted so fast

[stiff hawk]

Medea

[opal mural]

Medea > Mel > Persephone > Hel from what I know

[wise locust]

Possessed array is available as a hammer for the non-hidden aspects and it's DISGUSTING

you lose 25 mana when you pick up one of your dropped skulls (if you have it) and if you do, the skull explodes as an omega attack

Thing is, that 25 mana loss is a loss and not a spend, meaning all cost modifiers don't apply, but the effects still do

So Weedkiller still adds omega attack damage, for free

So fine line, ocean's swell, weedkiller, cut above and even Exceptional Talent all proc for free.

[desert robin]

i recall having weedkiller on my first ever attempt vs chronos

[desert robin]

will keep in mind, ty

[wise locust]

yeah but did you have possessed array? Always take it, basically

unless you're running a really weaksauce gain boon

(Protip, you want born gain or flood gain)

[desert robin]

ocean's swell weedkiller possessed array and exceptional talent are boons i should get
noted
idk, i just remember thinking that boon was op even tho its a common

[wise locust]

All boons with "Gain" are core

you can only have one, but they're hugely important

[desert robin]

you mean as in they have it in the name?

[wise locust]

yes

Are you familiar with the 5 core slots on the HUD on the left?

[desert robin]

also why does this game keep making zorephet have the blood thingy
i just started i suck how am i supposed to wield that thing effectively

[desert robin]

sadly no

[wise locust]

Okay, so the game pushes you into having these boons, but only kinda explains them

Every primary boon giver can offer a boon for each of those slots

Strike, Flourish, Ring, Rush and Gain.

the first aurgments you attack, then special, then cast, then dash then one is a mana regain boon

you can only have one of each at any time, and they're HUGELY powerful compared to other boons

and also form the basis for support boons later on, and are pretty much always prerequisites for duo boons and definitely for legendaries

if you have any of those 5 boons unfilled and you take a boon, the first slot in the boon menu will always be a core boon

and also the first boon offering you get per run will always be three cores

(Hermes doesn't count, he's not a primary boon giver)

[desert robin]

thanks, i didnt know that

[wise locust]

if in doubt, fill your cores

[desert robin]

so the names DO matter

just missing a rush

[wise locust]

I'm sure you've noticed that gods sometimes offer replacement boons

that swaps out an existing boon for one of theirs at a greater rarity

that only happens for cores, since there can only be one in each slot

[desert robin]

ahh
also i need to raise to max friendship for better boons right

[wise locust]

nope

all that unlocks is the boon offering lookup in game

where it will tell you what that god offers and what the prerequisites are

[desert robin]

[wise locust]

Useful to have, honestly

you can open it while looking at a boon offering so you can plan your prereqs

Most Duo boons are just "Get a core boon from god A and a core boon from god B" unless there's a specific requirement to how the duo boon itself works

[desert robin]

im planning on doing that dw
also needa offer one to everyone to get keepsake
dont have all rn

wow the last grasp level needs 500 psyche 2 darkness and 2 shadow
really going all out on the materials needed

[wise locust]

Get cooking

[desert robin]

once i get the fate fabrics i need
also im missing so many incantations sob
so many lategame materials im not able to get rn

[desert robin]

whats best for the torches
i find myself really liking those or the momus aspect staff

[wise locust]

Torches are flexible honestly. Main thing is to get a powerful curse like blitz or hitch on your special so you can paste it around with omega specials while shooting your attack

[desert robin]

aight
this is the run, trust
god boon keepsake->shield or hp recover boon to get past oceanus without proc'ing my 4 death defiances->eye of evil to beat cerberus, and lucky tooth for chronos
best case i get all 5 for chronos but we all know that aint happening

[stiff hawk]

ehhh, if you're proccing death defiances in Oceanus, then you might need to reconsider your playstyle

are you using casts at all? you're supposed to constantly cast to stall/ensnare enemies

[lilac mica]

what's an easy build for lim and oros?

something that's easy to make overpowered?

[swift path]

The main priority u want for lim and oros is fast attack speed and heavy backstab damage or a special build

Both the attack and special are very strong

[lilac mica]

gotcha

[vivid flare]

The Trick Knives hammer

[stiff hawk]

wave strike + slippery slope + blinding rush + back burner, you just dash behind an enemy and mash attack
trick knives are good though, take Zeus for special if possible
there's also another hammer (skulking onslaught) that boosts backstabs even further, if you get both that and back burner you'll insta-kill everything pretty much

don't cross post, and don't post untagged spoilers in this channel

[sleek shoal]

oops sorry

[vivid flare]

Delete that or tag that

[sleek shoal]

apologize, message is deleted

[desert robin]

i wasnt at all
The stabby fishes or scylla’s attacks reslly tripped me up

currently trying to use them

[stiff hawk]

just tap the cast button, don't charge it, this stops all non-boss enemies like the stabby fishes

and if you have the Furies arcana, you also deal up to 30% more damage to the enemies inside the casts

[desert robin]

ive realised after the times i took dmg whilst charging cast 😔🥲

[desert robin]

i think i have it
So yay

[desert robin]

what do i use sand for
I dont see any upgrades or incantations needing it

[stiff hawk]

the final boss drop? it's for later

[desert robin]

put it in the cauldron and make minecraft glass? Lol

Anyway
Do you recommend trying to get and upgrade medea for general grinding

[stiff hawk]

all weapons are viable, Medea just forces a specific playstyle

are you doing surface runs? I recommend you alternate underworld and surface

the story works better that way, as do many unlocks

[tribal imp]

what do i do next, just beat i forgot his name but the final boss of the surface after mount olympus and the summit

[vivid flare]

Do it more

[tall kernel]

follow incantations and prophacies and unlock stuff, more conversations to have, more story, and if you just keep doing it, you'll eventually get credits, but even then, the game isn't over, much more to do and see and hear.

[stiff hawk]

there will be an incantation at the cauldron, I believe you need to collect 4 surface final boss drops and 8 underworld final boss drops, then craft that + another incantation, then do each path one more time, then the game will roll credits

[woven beacon]

going into the final biome with 285/285 hp and 22 charges on my healing hex lol.... i feel like my victory is pretty much guaranteed

going into final boss with 384/384 and 22 charges.... wish me luck

also somehow i have crazy damage on this build. i've never done well with the black coat before, but here we are. possibly the most OP i've ever been

[tall kernel]

you mean life tax, or moonwater? I didn't think moonwater could get that high?

[stiff hawk]

there's a moon water perk that lets you keep the unused charges when you refresh at a fountain

[tall kernel]

if you have moonwater maxed at 22 charges, unless you have trouble using magic, it would take willful negligance to die

[tall kernel]

i usually avoid that one, as I would prefer using moonwater even when you don't need it for the extra gold.

[stiff hawk]

you can't, it won't cast at full health

[tall kernel]

like i'm ever at max health

[astral gorge]

For anyone who might have been curious, in subsequent games I never again had this odd lock on the Knuckle Bones. Still not sure what happened that one time but doesn't really matter.

Also I won without it 🙂

[rustic hinge]

strange

[desert robin]

oki

[desert robin]

i can barely get past prometheus, the summit mini boss tail has appeared every time and i have lost everytime

[stiff hawk]

the tail is slow and only has like 3 attacks, what are you trying to do

[desert robin]

attacking the tail and dodging the attacks

i can beat chronos just fine
Maybe because he has less hp

[stiff hawk]

dash through the waves, hit it a bunch, then dodge the lunges, rinse and repeat
it also sometimes does the "imma charging my laser" move, just get behind it

[desert robin]

ima remember that, ty
Probs was too stressed in the moment to notice after prometheus and summit fights

[stiff hawk]

yeah the tail is easy but you cannot bruteforce it, you need to wait out its attacks

as with everything else in the game, don't be too aggressive, only attack when it's guaranteed you won't take damage

[desert robin]

i have a question about medea
Does special’s dash line up perfectly with dash cooldown so you can spam

for example you needa rush outside cerberus aoe

[proven gazelle]

Yeah speedrun movement tech with medea is dash -> special -> repeat

[vivid flare]

Tips for the fight: ||It'll always "bite" 5 times before it does another attack, count it out if you need to. As for the rings, dash in for the first, then dash through for the second||

[swift path]

|| Don't forget the attack where the tail goes on one side and shoots an attack ||

[desert robin]

also how do i make use of origination effectively

and does primed magick count as used magick? For huntress arcana

[opal mural]

Curses are a lot easier to come by in this game compared to H1, with 5 curses directly tied to attack/special boons, 6 directly tied to cast boons, 4 directly tied to rush boons, and 1 to a gain boon, as well as a bunch of secondary boons, so you just have to be aware enough to apply 2 curses

For example if the curses are on your attack + special, but you only like using the attack, just make a habit of using the special once in a while to apply the curses

[desert robin]

would you say its worth it to have it over a different arcana?
Im getting the vibe of a yes from what you said about it being common but still not a guarantee

[opal mural]

I would say it's the most important card to have aside from Death/Strength, 50% (additive) damage boost is huge

[desert robin]

I dont have strength arcana active
Please feel free to explain

I usually plan on being done with a run before i run out of death defiances
And after my last defiance im at low hp and cant make use of -dmg%

[lilac mica]

is there an ohko mod for this game?

[opal mural]

Yeah what I meant is aside from either Death or Strength

[desert robin]

o mb mb

[desert robin]

medea with good boon knowledge ig

or turning on god mode so you take less dmg
But i like to experience the game in its full difficulty (no mode)

[lilac mica]

what

ohko = one hit knock out, so like playing the game with 1 hp

[desert robin]

Oh

Just take dmg til you have almost none ig?

[lilac mica]

huh

[opal mural]

If you start with no Persistence, Centaur, Death, or Strength, Vow of Pain 3, and never pick up any max health, it's basically one/two hit = death once you get past the first area, especially on surface

Add Vows of Menace and Fangs to make enemies hit even harder

[lilac mica]

gotcha!

[stoic meadow]

If I pick a boon for the main slots (attack, special,cast sprint.mana), does that reduce a chance of getting another one? I occasionally see the option to replace attack/special or cast boons but can't remember if I have seen that for sprint and mana, and I am wondering if it changes the chances of getting the one you want. I'm only asking as I have had some bad rng where I won't have anything on one of the 3 primary attacks for up to just before the boss.

Or I might pick not the dash/sprint option I want.

[desert robin]

they want me to beat typhon, a boss i havent even come close to beating with no fear, with 20+ fear

[stoic meadow]

I found the mobalytics builds to be pretty decent (not the starter builds, look for aspect builds). Even with the bad RNG and missing boons I have managed to kill T with 4 weapons so far. The flames with aspect of EOS one shot him so quickly I skipped a lot of the mobs.

[polar wraith]

This all just vibes i havent checked the code so I cant say for certain. but it does seem to me that the odds of getting special or attack boonz are increased until you have atlesst 1 of those 2

In general core boons seem to have higher odds until you have atlesst 2/3 slots filled

[vivid flare]

Yeah, taking a core boon will reduce the chance that other gods will offer their cores for that slot (and in general)

And you can get swaps for regens and sprints

[stoic meadow]

Lovely, thank you both.

[astral orchid]

you can do it

[stoic meadow]

What does the black hammer at the shop before the bosses do? I thought it was for a weapon upgrade, bu I only saw I lost a buff and either gained two others or they levelled up, but was too fast for me to see.

(Hm I think it gave me two hammer upgrades, don't know why i did not see them before, but does it sacrifice somethign?)

[dense anchor]

you lose one of your hammers gotten in the run in exchange for two others

[stoic meadow]

Lovely, thanks

[vivid flare]

You basically never want to take an Anvil if you can avoid it, because the chance it just bricks your run is really high

[tall kernel]

coward

[vivid flare]

I fear the "delete Trick Knives" roll

Or the "delete Giga Cleaver"

[tall kernel]

if we don't gamble in a rogue like, what are we even doing?

but you're right, no one wants to take an anvil

[desert robin]

ty

[proven gazelle]

or you hit the glorious twin moonshot/shimmering moonshot on staff

we stay gambling

[astral orchid]

It’s the only way to get five hammers

[stiff hawk]

the anvil is pretty pointless, even if you get a good hammer, it's just for one boss anyway
I guess you could take it if your hammers are crap

[stiff hawk]

how do you get five? you're normally restricted to 2, then you can grab 1 more from the anvil and 1 more from Icarus' keepsake

[astral orchid]

echo echo echo

🙃

always take hammer last in fields in case it lines up perfect and remember that includes the random crap too not just encounter rewards

[opal mural]

Easier to do this with Vow of Onion since normally Fields goes chamber-miniboss-Echo-chamber

And Reward Reward Reward doesn't duplicate onions

[astral orchid]

yeah its improbable like ive done it maybe twice

[rustic hinge]

you can also artificer stuff in fields and get extra hammers

so that's +3 although impossibly unlikely

[lilac sundial]

There are a few rare times I'll skip echo and do more fights

[rustic hinge]

hmm when

[lilac sundial]

A recent example was, I got a boon from Zeus before her room and didn't want more so I went the other way. The only thing I might have wanted was gold gold gold, but that's not guarantee I liked the rewards more the other way

[astral orchid]

I’ve done it a few times when one tree is echo and the other is like two boons and a heart

[stoic meadow]

Is there a limit of how many hammers pop up during a run?

[opal mural]

Usually only 2 will show up, Experimental Hammer will let you have 3, Anvil will let you have 4, Reward Reward Reward will let you have 5

Artificer might make it possible to have 6

[keen kelp]

just beat scylla for the first time
why are the chambers in the 3rd region so damn big

and do i have to take everything from the multi-reward chambers to get out

[desert robin]

yes

[desert robin]

you get an incantation to help with finding your way at some point, likely after you die and return

[keen kelp]

welp died to the lamia since scylla got me low

[desert robin]

the miniboss?

[keen kelp]

yep

[desert robin]

play carefully, take out the smaller ones first

[keen kelp]

are there any comparison charts for the enemies in h1 and h2

would help a ton if there were
just came from h1

[astral orchid]

not really but the main thing to know is 2 expects you to use your cast and sprint and those are very different now

[polar wraith]

Dont believe artificier can do that. Atleast ive never seen it.

It rolls rewards that are still possible to get in rooms to my knowledge, so it cant expand your god pool either

[rustic hinge]

yes it can give hammers if theres one in the room

[polar wraith]

Thats true forgot about that exception for hammers, the same is also true of god pools. If you roll a boon when you were about to get your 4th you can reach 5 through artificer

[stoic meadow]

Noooo ||there is a phase 3?|| I am so unprepared!

I have done it i think 🙂

[astral orchid]

so i guess if you buy a nectar from hermes and its delivered in a hammer room then you win the artificer lottery?

[rustic hinge]

just artificer fields stuff

[stoic meadow]

Morning, Are the aspect of melinoe runs recorded under the weapon name? I have some runs where it states sister blades instead of aspect, but I am pretty sure it was aspected to melonoe.

[desert robin]

yes

[stoic meadow]

I just had my first run where I had the keepsake but got a different god's starting boon.

[winter basin]

What god did it give you?

[stoic meadow]

Zeus, had hestia's keepsake. First door after was hestia however

[winter basin]

Got it. while you’re playing through the story some encounters are forced

It’s why submitting runs requires you to have access to the ability to randomize seeds

[stoic meadow]

I saw credits last night but I know there are more things to be done.

[winter basin]

Except on “fresh-save” category

[lapis cloak]

yeah the first few runs after credits have some storytelling and some set encounters

[lilac mica]

holy crap i almost had the coolest run ever, and i didnt even use a guide

i got like 12 hera boons or something and zeus' cast and attack

i died to Prometheus, but it wouldve been sooo cool if i couldve gotten king's ransom

[winter basin]

Jeez how many rerolls did you use to get that much of just hera

[swift path]

all your zeus boons wouldve been level 48 each

[astral gorge]

Im trying to understand Hades' 2 testament weapon leveling, I'm still relatively new but in Hades 1 I had all weapons leveled to 15+. It was straightforward, you kill Hades with a higher level of Heat than before you win.

But now, I've beaten Chronos and Typhoon several times each and my weapons are still only 1/1/2/2/2/2. Is it possible that it only counts against Typhoon?

Or perhaps that you have to kill both for each rank-up?

I have unlocked the second statue so I'd expect my weapons level to be higher.

I tried reading the wiki but the mechanic is not really explained.

[winter basin]

No you kill the enemy marked on the bounty

That’s it

You have to put the amount of fear on that it shows for the weapon then kill the boss that’s marked for that weapon

You don’t have to clear the run, just get past that boss with that weapon at that fear

It’s randomized who the boss is but the fear requirement increases every time you clear one

You get nightmare for beating the boss which is used to upgrade weapons

[astral gorge]

Oh... I didnt even realize there were bounties tied to this, but thanks thats good info, I should be able to figure it out now.

[winter basin]

Yeah the testaments in the top left

Each weapon has a set boss that will change every night so it requires you to switch up weapons and routes based on what it’s calling for that night

[astral gorge]

Yeah its explained when you press Y, not sure how I missed that.

[winter basin]

At 16 an 20 fear it changes to requiring either Chronos or Typhon

[astral gorge]

Would probably have been worth it to write the name of the bounty in the UI instead of just a picture, would have been more obvious.

But hey, now I know.

Ill start doing the right runs with the right weapons 🙂

Another thing that confused me is the wiki itself. It says:

Completing an active Testament rewards you with Nightmare Nightmare, a material used to upgrade Melinoë’s Nocturnal Arms Aspects after casting Aspects of Night and Darkness. The amount of Nightmare received scales with the intensity of the bounty: 1 Nightmare when Fear requirement is 1-8; 2 Nightmare for 10-12 Fear; and 3 Nightmare for 16-20 Fear).

What about Fear 9 and 13-15?

Might be just a wiki error.

[winter basin]

There are no odd numbers

And it jumps from 8 to 10 and 12 to 16

[astral gorge]

Ahh... thanks.

[vivid flare]

Besides 1

[winter basin]

It’s 1-2-4-8-10-12-16-20

Alright look here wise guy

[astral gorge]

Well that explains it. Since Ive not been hunting the right bounties and my arms are so low I was scratching my head hehe.

[winter basin]

Yeah the only ones you can upgrade without nightmare is the melinoe aspects

Multiple of which are actually really good

[astral gorge]

Yeah I have my Mel aspects mostly at rank V already. The others not so much. Need more Nightmares 😄

[winter basin]

All of the Mel aspects are mid tier for their weapon at worst

And some are outright top tier in the game

[astral gorge]

Yeah they seem OK, I know there's better but they get the job done.

I used my Nightmares so far on Medea.

Thats a good one that I like.

[lilac sundial]

It is generally considered one of if not the best weapons in the game

[winter basin]

It’s apparently held back a lot at higher fear due to how vulnerable it leaves you. The main method of damage is charging headfirst at everything and that’s dangerous if you stop pay attention for a second

[desert robin]

i wonder if i have all the incantations

[winter basin]

You don't

I guarantee that

[desert robin]

so what are the unlock requirements

[winter basin]

My answer is yes

Have you fought rivals chronos and paused during the fight?

Cause that's one of them

Have you saluted the hades statue several times

Have you fully bonded with icarus

Have you completed voice & vanity?

If you've only just gotten credits you've got a ways to go

Until the broker has none of those white symbols on items you can sell for kudos then there's still stuff you don't have

That white symbol means there's SOMETHING you don't have yet that uses it

[desert robin]

does it also show up for unlockable things i cant even see yet?

[winter basin]

Yes

It means "don't sell this because you don't know what you're missing that still needs it"

Once that white symbol disappears it means there's nothing left in the entire game, discovered or not, that needs that resource anymore

[desert robin]

i had a hunch that was the case but had to ask just to be careful
i can stop hoarding those then

[winter basin]

It says that I think when it first explains the kudos selling system

Okay I'm off to go get on the 32 fear leaderboards

[desert robin]

i know
wanted to know for stuff i cant even see yet

[desert robin]

good luck

[desert robin]

i also was so close to a sub 10 mins run
but as luck would have it, it was the ||final fight vs chronos||
||meaning he had three phases instead of 2...||
time was 20 seconds ish past 10 mins

[winter basin]

Ah yeah story moments aren't valid for runs anyways so don't worry about it

Since also that run ||removes Hecate fight||

[desert robin]

i like to think that i dont take more than one minute on ||hecate fight||
but fair

[final dove]

Strife is the worst mechanic ive ever encountered in any video game and Supergiant should be ashamed of themselves

Punish new players for playing good, great idea 🖕

[vivid flare]

At least she gives resources now, back when EA launched, she only gave you her "blessing"

[desert robin]

can you explain supay to me

[stiff hawk]

your specials are always on and your rush boon deals a lot more damage, also you can't attack normally and your hits have NO hitstun
pick Hestia/Zeus/Poseidon/maybe Hera rush, some curse inflicting special, and if you're lucky glamour gain for another curse so that you can proc origination
then you literally just hold sprint to delete enemies

you can also use omega attacks and omega specials, but those aren't that useful on this aspect IMO

[desert robin]

ty

also do you have some recommendations for my 24 surface and 32 underworld fear runs for the last statue?

[ocean ginkgo]

[opal mural]

Easiest way to win for me is Storm Ring on Circe, use Raki for max stacking potential

[keen kelp]

is it just me or is mel so much squishier than zag
i dont see an option to increase my dd's and im pretty sure i got 3 of them pretty early on in h1

[desert robin]

can you upgrade the gathering tools beyond rank 2?

[wintry rivet]

Need unlock arcana card for dd

[keen kelp]

yeah but i only have 1

do i get to get 3 later on

[wintry rivet]

You can upgrade them, you unlock them by...idk that was age ago

[keen kelp]

oh well
is h2 at least more generous with the resources

[wintry rivet]

It was age ago i play hades 1 but i feel hades 2 unlock doesn't feel tedious

Although i just like to play the game

Some resources does need you go further in a run to gather

[jovial condor]

Hi, how i can get more witch delights?

I spend the 3 of them but already found the remaining 2 pets

[rustic hinge]

2nd page of the cauldron should have them

[jovial condor]

It doesn't appear

It only appears the Shadow extraction

[rustic hinge]

probably speak with hecate more then

[astral orchid]

you need to fight hecate with all of the pets

[jovial condor]

I have the frog, raven and the dog

So those 3?

[astral orchid]

yea

[vivid flare]

<@&456908176877551658> Scrap this automaton

Thank you

[tawdry shoal]

[woven beacon]

newb questions even tho i'm on night 52 lol

1. do Locations in the fields have multiple Encounters, or does each Location still count as one Encounter?

2. when Air Quality says "never deal less than X damage", does that mean cumulatively or with each hit? so for instance, with the Black Coat, will every missile deal 50, or will the cumulatively deal at least 50 each time i fire them off?

[astral orchid]

1. Location can have multiple encounters 2. Each hit will do a minimum of 50 damage

Get some Demeter gust action for AQ to really shine

[woven beacon]

ty!

[proven gazelle]

important thing to know about air quality though, it targets your final damage not the attacks base damage

so stuff like furies, origination, strength, and any other damage modifiers go first and air quality checks to see if its under 50 at the end of all of that

so in most cases air quality does a lot less than youd expect, i.e. a 25 damage static shock with furies, strength, and origination sits perfectly at 50 so air quality is a wasted boon

[winter basin]

Yeah so air quality becomes next to pointless on bosses for some boons if you use jeweled Pom since the based damage of static shock for example is already 20 at common

Since stuff like static shock already deals nearly 50 damage when you have origination and stuff active

But on normal enemies it’s nice since you won’t get origination on everybody

But the damage buff is way bigger for stuff like meat grinder, gusts, and prom flare

Air quality is a lot stronger when not running jpom

[woven beacon]

Jpom?

And yeah 50 sounded kinda low

[winter basin]

I mean when your thing is doing 10 damage per hit thats a 5x buff

[proven gazelle]

its a post-credits keepsake

[winter basin]

50 damage per hit 7.6x per second for 2 seconds is a lot of damage

or 4/s on gusts

And I think like 7 or 8 times per second for meat grinder

It adds up a lot

[proven gazelle]

when its strong its strong just like 99% of the time its not the pick

ik supay loves it most of the time

[winter basin]

Yeah supay and anubis

AQ supay is amazing

Ooh I know what I should do

Hostile environment AQ supay

with winners circle

[desert robin]

can you upgrade gathering tools beyond rank 2?
And what are the two keepsakes to the right of the jeweled pom? Got two spaces there

[winter basin]

nah just the one upgrade

[winter basin]

||Zagreus and Chronos||

[desert robin]

lemme guess i gotta beat the first one in the shop thingy first

[winter basin]

Yeah that

[desert robin]

he hits hardddddd
Tho i had frenzy 2 active at the time so maybe not that bad

[winter basin]

I mean ||he's one of the few bosses you can literally just run away from||

Also don't spoil too much that's why I'm spoiler marking stuff

[desert robin]

mb
But how you gonna do dmg if only run?

[winter basin]

Believe it or not there's a thing called attacking when he isn't attacking you

[desert robin]

also why ive been vague in my word usage
Hope its ok

[desert robin]

i know i know
Needa learn pattern

[serene prairie]

I only ever fight him if I have an easy ranged damage source (generally torches or skull) since unlike most other bosses he has very few ranged attacks

[winter basin]

#h2-victory-boasting message sometimes you gotta just kill him too fast for the damage to matter

[jovial condor]

Did not work :c

And I already got the ending

[desert robin]

that hel aspect?

[winter basin]

Yup

[stoic meadow]

What should I use gemstones and ashes for?

[winter basin]

Gemstones are explicitly used to trade for kudos to buy decorations. Ashes you probably still need for some decorations from shadow extraction

[stoic meadow]

thank you! Just wanted to make sure I won't need them for something important and lock myself into an endless grind 😄

What about rubbish? Kudos?

[winter basin]

If it has the white symbol next to it on the kudos exchange screen that means you'll eventually need it for an incantation or other thing you don't have yet

When that white symbol disappears it means you'll never need it again

[stoic meadow]

was just looking at that one ty 🙂

[keen kelp]

man wtf is that cronos second phase
am i just tryna play floor is lava

[bitter raven]

The floor is lava, and Grandfather Time the grim reaper is coming for you

Though also you were coming for him first and still are

[swift path]

Yea 2nd phase is hectic at first

Just gotta kill the hourglasses and watch out for everything

[desert robin]

first ever zorephet clear
Was using random keepsakes to level them up

[scenic arrow]

nice!

[gentle sonnet]

i got an option to compel and hold the right click or left click. what am i supposed to do? (really new to the game)

[humble saffron]

In sync with the visual, you hold the left and/or right buttons of the mouse

Until all the circles are filled

As though you are omega attacking or omega special (with default keybinds)

[gentle sonnet]

thanks! btw how do you get lotus?

[desert robin]

its a thing you can pick up

in oceanus

[desert robin]

i was in ||typhon’s|| final phase, and was definitely just a few hits away from beating him
But died
The quest that makes you use different weapons to beat him is definitely the hardest ive ever even attempted
Descura was the run

[rustic hinge]

should spoiler stuff like this

[tall kernel]

mind spoilering the boss's name? I think that's too much for "new player" channel

[icy mist]

guys, when should I go to ||olympus and try clearing it?|| because my attempts ||have been so miserable due to the curse in the surface, I lose my hp so easily and die||

I've cleared the underword a few times now

[polar wraith]

you need a certain incantation to actually make progress ||on the surface||

[icy mist]

so I should just work on the underworld more for now ?

[polar wraith]

you may need to speak more with moros if you dont have the incantantion right now

[icy mist]

spoken with him only once after ||he came to the crossroads||

[polar wraith]

if you do surface runs make sure to pick up any reagents you find

[tall kernel]

||keep doing surface until you get an incantation that requires surface materials... you just have to take a few Ls on the surface before it's safe. ||

[stiff hawk]

you're supposed to talk to every NPC after every run
the incancation that lets you survive on the surface should unlock after a single suicide run

though, you might still need to do 1-2 more to gather ingredients

[desert robin]

am sorri

[obtuse fjord]

Hi! Just curious, how many different boats are in the ||Rift of Thessaly|| before the boss?

[vivid flare]

Depends, but usually around 8 or so

[polar wraith]

in general its 11-12 rooms for each region

[lilac mica]

what do i do to progress the story now? i've defeated typhon 2x and i cant really talk to zag through the mirror

[wise locust]

Keep beating up typhon

[swift path]

You have to keep beating up typhon and chronos atleast around 7 times

|| Once you kill typhon, the surface route will be locked out until you beat chronos 1 last time ||

[wise locust]

Spoilers!

[polar wraith]

if you look at the incantation required for the story you can see how many victories you still need

[still fjord]

Man I’m interest in the game but is my first time playing RL type games, any recommendation lol

[wise locust]

Just play. The game steers you well enough. It's hard but it knows it is and much of the story and progression expects you to fail a lot and that's fine

the game has a "godmode" switch that increases your damage resistance permanently every time you lose a run if you're finding it too hard and the game doesn't shame you or gate any progress if you choose to use it

[polar wraith]

the story actually works better if you dont win immediately so take it easy and just enjoy it

[still fjord]

So basically the story even if you die keeps going? Or how it works?

[still fjord]

How you activate that? Might try without it first

[wise locust]

just in the gameplay menu

[wise locust]

Melinoe never "dies", she just performs an emergency spell to return to the crossroads. So the story can just continue

[still fjord]

Ohhhh that make sense

[wise locust]

in Hades 1, Zagreus does die every time he fails, but that just puts him back into the house of hades, he's a demigod

death is something you can just walk off

[still fjord]

Mmm will you recommend playing the first one? Like before the 2

[wise locust]

for the story? kinda?

[still fjord]

Yeah

[wise locust]

they're not that linked, but it is nice to be a bit familiar with the characters of the first game

[polar wraith]

its not really needed to play hades 1 tbh but you do understand some of cast better if you have played it, if you wanna give it a shot id play hades 1 first.

because going back to 1 after the gameplay improvements of 2 feels fairly bad

[still fjord]

Perf! Thank you guys

[stiff hawk]

I mean, 2's story is all about saving the characters from 1, so it won't be as emotional if you're not invested in them

[swift path]

Woops I forgor

[keen kelp]

raaaaaahhhhhh finally got my first clear on run 13
thank you hestia and thank you gay friend who believed in me

[wise locust]

Gay friend? Have you any idea how little that narrows it down?

[keen kelp]

nah i meant my irl friend

[wise locust]

I stand by my point

[keen kelp]

btw does the medea combo work on mouse and keyboard with left click right click?

saw some clips and was curious

[wise locust]

sure, why not?

press attack, press special, recieve bacon

[keen kelp]

idk wasnt sure if the special auto aimed onto the skull

does it?

[wise locust]

if you enable it

it's pretty generous on its hitbox

the main issue is that it has no invuln so you can easily facetank loads of damage

[keen kelp]

got it
i honestly didnt know if it would auto dash toward the skull or not
cuz the aim assist for h1 was kinda wonky on m+kb

[wise locust]

towards the mouse?

Honestly I'd turn off autoaim on medea if you're mouse aiming

ensures you actually go where you think

up to you if you want to use mouse dash

You'll always feel a little hamfisted after changing your control scheme but you get used to it

[serene prairie]

How do I max out skelly's relationship gauge? It's telling me I need to "master more nocturnal arms" but I already have every single one upgraded to max level.

[stiff hawk]

unlock the hidden aspects

[desert robin]

im curious
what counts as not spoiler enough to be posted?

[dense anchor]

the channel topic says: spoiler tag post-erebus content

[keen kelp]

guys do i have to keep praying for chaos to give me thalamus before i can do any surface runs

[opal mural]

Yup lol just luck

[keen kelp]

no other way to get them
not even random seeds?

[opal mural]

I actually don't know if random seeds can give you plants you haven't gotten yet

[tall kernel]

He gives it eventually

[vivid flare]

They should have priority for that dialogue exchange ||once you have the incantation to unlock the surface||, so just keep rolling

[serene prairie]

I've unlocked all of them and also upgraded them to max level

[stiff hawk]

hmm, did you chant the bone strengthening incantation

[serene prairie]

Yes but only very recently

[obtuse fjord]

In H1, tight deadline removes "hades survive for 45 secs" rooms. Is there some oath of unseen that does the same for Asphodel in H2?

[rustic hinge]

nope its always possible

[opal mural]

You can always skip Asphodel by leaving the ring though, good if the reward wasn't amazing

[winter basin]

If you're going for speed asphodel can be potentially faster than some of the worst oceanus rooms

The rooms where you get a million waves of fish and serpents are horrible

[opal mural]

My Oceanus luck has been so good recently for some reason, I've been getting to Scylla with over 3 minutes left after nearly timing out to Hecate

Well good in that the rooms are fast but bad in that Swifter Bigger Hippos

[keen kelp]

is medea just beowulf without the block

[opal mural]

Yes

But it's also way more finicky because you actually have to hit the enemy to activate the attack

Whereas Beowulf would just blast wherever your bullrush ended

And the AoE would hit enemies anyway

[keen kelp]

so its just worse beowulf huh?
guess sg kinda learned their lesson

[opal mural]

I think it has higher speed potential because the attack + special combo might be faster than the dash-strike + bullrush

But it's definitely harder to use because of the lack of invulnerability

Though in my opinion with Medea, until like 32-40 fear depending on the setup you can just bash your head against enemies and you'll probably still win because everything will die before you get hit, personally I don't use it anymore cause I can't dodge with it

There are also some insane hammers

[winter basin]

Medea is a challenge of hand endurance. Which breaks first, the enemy or your fingers and wrist

Turns the game into an aim trainer or doing jumps in Osu

[keen kelp]

point and click simulator go

is the aim assist for m+kb here as bad as h1

[winter basin]

🤷‍♂️ I don’t really have a major issue with it and I appreciate it more often than it annoys me

It’s a little bothersome on some weapons depending on how you engage enemies

But very minor edge cases usually

[stiff hawk]

does literally everyone here play on m+kb? because Medea is not taxing at all on controller

[winter basin]

Well yeah cause you just have single stick aiming and pressing a few buttons. Even easier if you rebind some keys to shoulder buttons

On mouse though Medea is aim trainer hell

Gotta either keep the mouse right next to yourself at all times to minimize travel or fling your mouse around at mach-f to deal with stronger enemies

It’s personally one of the reasons I don’t play Medea

[opal mural]

Yeah I'm very bad at aiming and moving with the skull special and it punishes me especially on surface

Which is why I really like Fetching Array Mel Skull lol

[winter basin]

Skull is one of the weapons that has a significantly higher skill floor and ceiling on keyboard compared to controller

Otherwise keyboard is just objectively better for most weapons due to independent aiming

[stiff hawk]

eh idk, I think controller is pretty good in Hades 2 all things considered
in Hades 1 though it's pretty bad with the bow due to the auto-aim being so awful

they should really add a twin stick control scheme though

[winter basin]

Too many buttons required to assign them all to shoulders

Because of hex you have 5 buttons that require aiming

So twin stick doesn’t work unless you assign a button to the control pad which is awkward

It’d be an interesting alternate control scheme but I don’t see it being a core thing

[stiff hawk]

they can keep the dodge on a face button like in Souls, while the shoulders/triggers would be attack/special/cast/hex

it could work

[winter basin]

It’s possible just would make quick dash attacks really annoying

Would end up having to claw grip which would defeat the whole purpose

If only more companies gave us controllers with programmable grip buttons that didn’t cost twice as much as a normal controller

Stay winning, Steam Deck

[stiff hawk]

8bitdo controllers are really cheap and have the best components like hall effect sticks, I will never stop shilling them

8bitdo 2c has 2 extra shoulder buttons, you can program them to be whatever

[winter basin]

That’s still extra money you gotta pay aftermarket, but it’s an option. I just wish stock controllers had grip buttons

[stiff hawk]

but anyway, they can make it so that the dashes/attacks/specials can still aimed by the left stick, while the right stick would be for casts and hexes (and optionally for attacks/specials)
it could work with some fine tuning and playtesting

[winter basin]

But they know there’s people they can trick into buying it by calling it “elite”

[stiff hawk]

8bitdo 2c is only $20

it's honestly such an amazing controller, one of the lowest latencies via the wireless connection (it comes with a dongle), METAL sticks that will never grind down etc

[opal mural]

Lol when I was a Mario Kart player I held off on buying good 8bitdo controllers so many times and stuck with my cheap fake controllers, which led to me being a kbm player in Hades because I broke all my old onctrollers

[keen kelp]

are there story npc rooms on the surface or do they just come to you

[proven gazelle]

uhhh ||medea in ephyra, circe in thessaly, dio in olympus, then heraclese can show up in ephyra or thessaly, icarus can show up in thessaly or olypmpus, and artemis can show up in ephyra||

^^all surface npcs and where they show up if ur curious

[unborn plaza]

|| Icarus in Thessaly or Olympus outdoor rooms, Heracles in Ephyra, Thessaly or Olympus indoor rooms ||

[proven gazelle]

ohhh yeah he can show up there huh

hes done it like once ever for me lmao

[unborn plaza]

I've seen him more than || Icarus || there

[hybrid vale]

Any tips for Scylla and the Sirens? For some reason they've been the weirdest stumbling block for the underground route (aka I can either at least get close to or on the final fight or just die at Scylla). If I get a good build going I melt them, but sometimes all the AOEs and bullet hell just get me.

I'm aware the drummer is the best to target first of course

[desert robin]

do you have the lovers card
try to play more passively and dodge their attacks before being more aggressive with your runs

[hybrid vale]

Don't have it yet

I've only just recently unlocked making upwards trips without dying and familiars so still pretty fresh progress wise

[desert robin]

its an arcana card
you only need ashes for that, which can be acquired in uw (and also grasp to hold it)

[hybrid vale]

Right

[desert robin]

id definitely recommend learning the attack patterns
you could even just not attack at all and dodge for a while to get the hang of it

[hybrid vale]

I suppose, just still have a bit of a Hades 1 aggression mindset in me lol

That said I notice melee weapons give me a way harder time of it

Since that fight punishes being on top of them

[desert robin]

am i one of the only people whos playing without playing hades 1 beforehand

[desert robin]

those do require a lot more skill
i recommend leaving those until when you have the other aspects
mel aspect melee weaps are hard to use

[hybrid vale]

Possibly lol, Hades 1 is more aggressive in playstyle while Hades 2 is more deliberate and hit and run

[desert robin]

[hybrid vale]

2 has felt fun in fighting like a wizard

[desert robin]

melinoe is a witch after all

[hybrid vale]

Ye, Zag in 1 has a less complex moveset but the more generous dashes and what you do with them boons wise means that if you know attack patterns well you could I frame almost anything

Mel doesn't have the same ability to dash spam

So in 2 there's some thought in dashing at the right time and not being wide open before it recovers

Hecate's boss fight feels like training you out of the Hades 1 mindset

Since her attacks punish being overly aggressive hard

[winter basin]

Yeah H1 promotes you to play Unga-Bunga but in a controlled manner

Just spamming dashes like a cracked out chicken

H2 definitely doesn’t do that as much due to not having a double dash

Dash attack spam is fundamental to a lot of weapons but in a bit of a different way

[hybrid vale]

The Hades 2 bosses feel like the devs have been playing FF14 and Nier in their spare time lol

They feel a bit more MMOy

And a bit more bullet hell

[opal mural]

Also in H1 pretty much everything was best played melee

Safest weapons were "melee weapon but you can block everything" and "sniper but best case scenario turns it into a shotgun"

[winter basin]

Yeah your safest places in H1 were right in an enemy’s face to stun them or dashing around at light speed with a gun

[keen kelp]

jesus christ whats with the prometheus fight
the difficulty spike after eris is crazy

is it just me or are his attacks harder to dodge

[winter basin]

His attacks are much larger and you can’t just slowly walk around him like Eris

You have to dodge with correct timing cause his turn speed isn’t locked like Eris

[keen kelp]

for some reason i think its harder to see his windup
the attack hitboxes are also kinda hard to see too

[winter basin]

Yeah it’s definitely a fight you have to learn a lot more since you can’t see his attacks like with Eris

You have to know which animations are which moves to know when to dodge

Polyphemus you can really get away with just “don’t stand in front of him or under where he lands” and Eris is just “don’t stand in front of her and if you do just slowly walk right or left while staying close to her”

But Prometheus definitely is a much more active fight

[keen kelp]

btw do casts even bind the typhon tail?
it keeps swinging away from my casts

[opal mural]

Most minibosses are unaffected by the binding effect of casts

Only one I can think of that is definitely affected is Master-Slicer

[keen kelp]

goddamn how do i circe then

[opal mural]

Circe does so much damage especially with Storm Ring stacking that it doesn't really matter if they get out of your cast

[winter basin]

If it has a boss health bar it’s not able to be morphed or controlled by casts

[opal mural]

I can't remember if Mega-Dracon gets bound but I don't think it does

[keen kelp]

feels so bad when they move out right when i cast

[opal mural]

Yargonaut and Phantom can teleport so they're out too

[winter basin]

The only warden with a boss bar that can be morphed is charybdis’s tentacles

Which doesn’t ||apply to the rivals fight||

||Since that’s a guardian fight not a warden fight||

[winter basin]

It gets slowed down but it’s considerably less effective on frenzy 2

On base speed it basically stops its movement

[keen kelp]

should i be going for dice or no dice on my arcana tho

[opal mural]

Dice until postgame

[stiff hawk]

it's a very fair fight IMO, plays like a Dark Souls boss, he will keep running after you until he gets in range and attacks, then he will stand still for like 3 sec, so you bait an attack, dodge it then pummel him for a bit, rinse and repeat

[sharp ginkgo]

I finally beat rivals scyllia without burning death defiance

Huge w

[swift path]

Nice

[stiff hawk]

tbh just play Strength, if you get beat up real bad, then you take the Narcissus keepsake in the next room and heal to full

I played with DD's on my Great Chaos Below run and turns out they cost like 200 gold to refill? while Strength is free healing? it's crazy

[sharp ginkgo]

I mean the alternative is like 5 extra lives

If I was looking to get crazy good and speedrun then sure but like I don't need to do that

[stiff hawk]

someone on reddit did the math, and basically Death is 220% effective hp but hard to refill, whereas Strength is 167% effective hp but also 167% effective healing

[sharp ginkgo]

Where are you getting this healing from tho

[stiff hawk]

Strength is obviously better until very high fear where the vow of scars gimps it

you take 40% less damage with Strength, it almost doubles your HP

[sharp ginkgo]

Oh I see

Say I have 100 up, that's 100 base plus 3 half hp revives and 2 80hp revives

That's 100 add 150 add 160, or 410ish hp?

Meanwhile strength is 40% less damage, so like 140 hp? But that's gonna exponentially increase since death defiance isnt as effective with high hp

And you're doing a flat 20% extra, so fights aren't gonna last as long

[stiff hawk]

basically, if a boss attack (like Cerb's ultimate attack for example) hits you for 100 dmg you only take 60 dmg, if you're on Strength

[sharp ginkgo]

Wowzers

I could probably do that with underworld + 3 vow of rivals

Surface is another story, I can barely do rivals Eris without dying

[stiff hawk]

and here's the thing, if you also get moon water, you're almost invincible, because you're so tanky the heals last a lot longer

I had 17 moon water charges (each healing 55 hp) before Typhon once, that's a faceroll, impossible to die
though I only stacked so much because I barely used them lol

[sharp ginkgo]

They stack???

[stiff hawk]

there's an upgrade that lets you keep unused ones

[sharp ginkgo]

Oh I see

[stiff hawk]

instead of them all resetting at fountains

[sharp ginkgo]

That's cray cray

As the youth might say

[stiff hawk]

but anyway, just give Strength a go, I played the whole game like this until 100% achievements, only used Death in a bunch of chaos runs including the hardest one, Great Chaos Below (everything is randomized including your arcana so I got Death and just rolled with it)

[sharp ginkgo]

Yeah I'll have to try it out

[stiff hawk]

when playing with Death I feel naked because the damage I take is now almost doubled

whereas with Strength I can tank small hits without thinking about it, wayward son will heal that up on the next room transition

[sharp ginkgo]

Yeah

I have no problems with the basic floor enemies (except olymus, not the summit though

The sentries just kick my ass

[stiff hawk]

the summit can be tricky, you can spam omegas while standing at the entrance if you're having trouble, e.g. skull o attack or axe ospec

olympus usually has some cover you can take

[sharp ginkgo]

Yeah it does

I could improve but like im bad and dont feel like it

[stiff hawk]

then just take strength + moon water and you'll be very hard to kill

[sharp ginkgo]

Ja

[stiff hawk]

outside of Chronos' insta-kills, Strength won't tank that, you will die

[sharp ginkgo]

Might try it but remove vow of rivals on the surface

Or maybe just remove prometheus from the equation

It feels bad to get rid of vow of rivals when I've already won witb it, like I'm neutering the difficulty for no reason

[stiff hawk]

rivals Prom is not too bad, try to focus the other guy first if you're having trouble

because if they both phase at the same time it can get tricky

[sharp ginkgo]

Yeah he wasn't bad tbh

I struggle with prom a decent bit and honestly having the separate enemies didnt change too much

[stiff hawk]

the big man will be doing his spin to win while you're trying to memorize the 5 flame attack lmao

[sharp ginkgo]

I'm so bad at the memory bit

I can do the first one fine but the second is like 50/50

I can tank one with my parry shield but any other mistakes and im donezo

[stiff hawk]

you can cheat and just pause after every prediction to memorize it

[sharp ginkgo]

Wait how did i never think of that

I'm so stupid

[stiff hawk]

just pause and say out lout where the safe lane is (not where the flame hits), so by the end you'll have a sequence like top top bottom middle top

[sharp ginkgo]

Yeah yeah

[stiff hawk]

you can also tank the whole thing with the dark side hex if you get it, the hex is crap damage wise, don't upgrade it, just use it to tank stuff you don't feel like dodging

[sharp ginkgo]

Yeah i got it once and the damage sucked so I never picked it up again

[stiff hawk]

it's terrible but you get like 6 sec of invincibility which is pretty cool

[sharp ginkgo]

Ya

[stiff hawk]

you can dark side then stand directly in the flames and Prometheus will be like "how did you evade all of my flames" lmao

he actually said that

[sharp ginkgo]

I do like the crazy amount of dialogue in this game

Like nothing repeats, and characters have all sorts of cool reactions

[stiff hawk]

there's an absurd amount of dialog, bosses will even comment if you no hit them

[sharp ginkgo]

Like when Hecate says "that never used to miss" the first time you avoid her morph ball, or when you phase shift vs Chronos he reacts to time slowing down

[stiff hawk]

rivals Hecate's morph ball is really annoying, idk if it's just me or if it's better to just take it and sit in a corner

[sharp ginkgo]

Oh yeah that always gets me too

[stiff hawk]

I just take it immediately now, then sit behind a pillar, I don't take damage this way

[sharp ginkgo]

I've never avoided it in her rivals fight, and the increased amount of orbs are hard to dodge. Luckily they dont do much

[stiff hawk]

you can avoid it it's just you're being shot at, so it's kinda hard to time it right so that you don't take any damage

[sharp ginkgo]

Yeah ik what you mean

[stiff hawk]

oh yeah speaking of cool dialog, I just remembered, that rat mini-boss in Oceanus, Uh-Oh

[sharp ginkgo]

He used to beat my ass

[stiff hawk]

Odysseus will eventually talk about it and tell you that it's King Vermin, and the boss name will CHANGE in all future runs

[sharp ginkgo]

Never helped that Sycilla was a huge wall for me for ages

[sharp ginkgo]

Oh wowzers

Reminds me that I still need to fight polymetheus with odysseus' trinket

[stiff hawk]

you better get started on that, because Odysseus' quest line can take a lot of runs

[sharp ginkgo]

huh

Crap im like right at the end of the game

[stiff hawk]

he will ask you to meet other people with this thing equipped

[sharp ginkgo]

I'm like about to go kill typhon

[stiff hawk]

like for good?

[sharp ginkgo]

Yup

😭

[stiff hawk]

there's still the epilogue ending though

[sharp ginkgo]

Yup there's always postgame

[stiff hawk]

and the post-game has 3 very powerful keepsakes

[keen kelp]

how do yall deal with typhon not having a health bar
just got to him and that was stressful as hell

[desert robin]

||he has 65k hp, and has four phases. Spawning eggs zeus spawning eggs are the phase changes||
Stressful yes but doable

[polar wraith]

typhon gets more wounded as the fight progresses

[lapis cloak]

there are ways of knowing his hp

[winter basin]

Hit him until he dies and count the phases

It does often come down to a game of chicken on final phase though where you just start to face tank stuff to try and kill him before he kills you

[keen kelp]

can you hit him with dashes tho
kinda invalidates romantic spark if you can't

[winter basin]

Hit chin sits far enough over the arena that you can actually get in backstabs if you face away from him

But yeah everything should be able to hit him

[proven gazelle]

romantic spark also kinda stinks anyway

[opal mural]

I always feel like my Romantic Spark Supay builds fall off on Typhon

[winter basin]

You should submit a Supay run on the speedcord

That’s the weapon for this week

I want to try for a 50 fear with it and maybe get a decent time. Slowest run on SRC is like 5 minutes so I’d never get close to that but I haven’t submitted a run since Hel

[opal mural]

Been struggling with timer on it today funny enough

Got to Promacles with 30 seconds left and died to time vs Typhon

[winter basin]

Rip

[keen hedge]

Any weapon I should use?
||I have just unlocked aspects and wanna try the skull out but I feel like it’s easy to die with them yk||

[stiff hawk]

I'd say staff and torches are the easiest to play if you just want to get a clear, you can try the other weapons when you're more confident

but they're all equally viable once you learn enemy patterns and good boon combinations etc

[keen hedge]

I just wanna beat chronos for now

[keen hedge]

Any aspects I should try get on them?

[stiff hawk]

all staff aspects are great, Melinoe has a boost to magic and special damage, it can be very powerful if you take dual moonshoot (hammer) and spam the special, Circe lets you use 2 casts provided you have a pet (don't know if you have one yet), Momus repeats the last omega move 3 times, but it's pretty slow unless maxed out, I'd say don't bother with it just yet

[keen hedge]

Cool thx

[stiff hawk]

as for the torches, the base ones are okay, 10% crit is fine, Moros torches are one of the best weapons in the game and can deal crazy damage, but you need a good magic regen

Eos is also decent, but the playstyle can be a bit complicated

if you have Moros unlocked then give it a go, basically you charge up your special then channel attack, every time your attack hits one of the orbiting specials it causes a massive explosion, but this also eats a lot of magic, so you need Born Gain preferrably

Cardio Gain can also be fine though

[signal bolt]

10% crit is like fine it's just mel torch with no innate piercing sucks ass

[winter basin]

Eos is one of the easiest aspects in the game since you can literally just walk away and have it keep killing stuff

The double ospecial covers a massive amount of area with little effort

The most effort you'll have is trying not to always go to the same place as your daybreaker

[stiff hawk]

I believe the "correct" way to play Eos is omega attack (basically, channel until the daybreaker comes out) into omega special (to soften up the baddies) into special spam, which puts you in melee range
can be a bit complicated for a newbie, I'm not sure

Moros you just stand back and nuke, omega special into just channeling

[woven dirge]

i feel like all aspects of the torches are good and fun

i miss release version of ||supay|| tho. it was so dumb lmao

[woven beacon]

i disagree with the sounds that those snails make

[keen kelp]

can i only get 1 testament per night
i beat scylla on 3 fear and she didnt drop nightmare

[opal mural]

Only the boss marked on the testament will drop nightmare

[woven beacon]

are the credits worth watching?

nvm lol, they were alright, not too long

[swift path]

lol personally for me not rlly

[winter basin]

The song is nice

I listened to it for that part but after that it’s just pictures of the characters and all

So unless you care about that it’s whatever after the song finishes

[bleak roost]

How to get bronze for unlock weapon?

[winter basin]

Ephyra on the surface. You can open your inventory and it will tell you where any resource is from

You’ll have to do some runs to just bum rush for resources until you can get enough to complete the incantation

[bleak roost]

No need to defeat crhronos?

[winter basin]

The game will require you to interact with the surface to finish the game. You can continue just running underworld but there’s some gods, characters, keepsakes, weapon aspects, and a bunch of incantations linked to stuff on the surface

But probably best to get your first underworld clear before messing with the surface much since the surface is a fair deal harder by design

One of the gods in the game requires ||you to reach the final boss on the surface before he will ever appear||

[keen kelp]

is medea supposed to be that hard to use on m+kb?

[desert robin]

no
its easier on mouse and keyboard compared to controller since aiming with a mouse is far easier than a joystick
just give yourself some more practise runs

[keen kelp]

hmm
i practiced on skelly and had trouble going back and forth on him when i tried to go fast
seems like hitting the smaller bosses is gonna be a pain in the ass

[desert robin]

practise
you can try turning your mouse sensitivity down

not low
but medium
turn it back up to max again when youre more used to the aiming

[rustic hinge]

you should be moving your mouse as you dash/special through them

[keen hedge]

Any keepsakes I should run for chronos im using the tooth rn

[proven gazelle]

Pin

Antler if youre confident

[keen hedge]

Kbm or controller what do people recommend?

Also how tf do you do the ghost resource thingy I fail every time

[lapis cloak]

Both are fine

[vapid berry]

the game recommends controller, and i would agree with it, but it seems like people prefer one or the other based on the weapon they use

[lapis cloak]

You just hold the button that the game asks you to until another one appears

[vapid berry]

For the ghost resource, hard to give advice as i never failed, the timing seems very forgiving in my opinion. Press and hold the key it says.

[keen hedge]

I can do the first two fine then the 3rd shows both and then I lose no matter what I pick

[lapis cloak]

You do both at the same time, you don't choose one

[keen hedge]

Omfg

I’m such an idiot lol

Tysm

I thought it was to do with what face he made at the start or smth

[stiff hawk]

lol
though the shades in later regions have tricker timing and I sometimes failed those
you eventually get auto-harvesting which is nice

[astral orchid]

When plentiful forage becomes excellent lol

[vivid flare]

Honestly, I prefer the later regions because you don't have to hold the buttons as long

[winter basin]

I still found the timing plenty lenient even in later regions

Only one I’d ever failed was the first or second one while figuring it out

[outer girder]

how do i unlock the ability to upgrade familiars? can someone DM me?

[winter basin]

Gotta find all of them if I’m correct

Then you should get the incantation from a conversation

[outer girder]

find them all or be able to use them all? ive found all of them, two of which i have still not recieved the option to recruit

[winter basin]

You need to make more treats to give them

The first incantation that unlocks familiars only gives you 3

So you gotta make more for the other two

[outer girder]

i have already made treats numerous times

i have 12 in my inventory

[winter basin]

Then maybe it’s a conversation you’re missing with Hecate if it’s the dog and pole-cat

Since those are her familiars from the crossroads

[outer girder]

so its just rng with hecate?

[winter basin]

I think she entrusts them to you

Maybe RNG convo yeah

If you already have frinos, raki, and toula then that would make sense

[astral orchid]

I think you need to fight Hecate with each of the familiars also

[quiet wagon]

I got all the other familiars and still don’t have Raki lol

I guess I just missed the bird lol

[winter basin]

He only appears in fountain rooms in Erebus so guess you’re just unlucky

[primal trench]

Specifically the mid biome fountain room, not to be confused with the post boss fountain

[last hound]

i posted this somewhere else, but uhh i beat chronos for the first time if anyone cares :3
if memory serves correctly it was 18 minutes? i don’t remember
but yay for me

[tight pewter]

Got all the way to Scylla on my first run 🥹

[last hound]

ooh, thats so good!!! i only got up to hecate, but YAYY!!! congrats for you!

[tight pewter]

Thanks! Btw, how does the Arcana Cards system work?

[last hound]

it’s very similar to the mirror of darkness from the first game, i’m not great at explaining, i’m sorry!!
maybe someone else can help you

[primal trench]

Activate the card, get its effect, very simple

[lapis cloak]

good job!

[stiff hawk]

it's like the badge system in Hollow Knight, you get X amount of grasp (can be upgraded), each card requires Y grasp to equip (fixed cost, cannot be changed)
they can eventually be all upgraded twice as well, I think maybe after run 20?

generally speaking you want the top left quarter of the board plus Origination (middle far right, deal +50% damage to CC'd enemies) plus either Death (revives) OR Strength (half-damage taken)

[bleak roost]

Where is the location of "beast" in the beginning task
Tried to find it in lobby but still didn't get it

[primal trench]

The what

[keen kelp]

yall how do i get the credits

[stiff hawk]

8 clears down, 5 clears up

[stiff hawk]

the first pet? it's the frog in Mel's tent

[swift path]

[swift path]

Thats Frinos

[buoyant horizon]

Hades 2 to other consoles when

[winter basin]

After Nintendo exclusivity deal

So Q4 2026 at the earliest

[astral orchid]

Me too

[stoic meadow]

Is there I could be missing in relation to unlocking more weapon aspects? I have 2 ||hidden ones|| but even speaking and increasing relationship level doesn't get me the rest. f.e. I am at max level with moros, have one (2 even for flames) aspect to level v, and still no supay.

[winter basin]

Have you ||finished the game found the fates yet?||

I can’t remember if it has a relation to that

I can’t remember if his relationship progress is related to that

[stoic meadow]

I've seen the ||credits but not found the fates||. I'll look into it, thanks for suggesting 🙂

[winter basin]

Check the ||fated list of minor prophecies it hints what you need to do||

[vivid flare]

Hidden aspects need ||a Nightmare-using Aspect at rank 5, and all 3 base aspects unlocked. Moros might just be stingy, but you don't need to have him to the point where you're romancing him||

[stoic meadow]

I have at least one other aspect at 5 for all weapons and all "base" aspects unlocked. I have two of the hidden ones, but that was from more than a week ago and the rest are just not showing up

If what Kol suggested doesn't work I'll look to upgrade everything to 5.

(could be that is the wrong aspect that is levelled up)

[vivid flare]

It can't be a Mel aspect

[stoic meadow]

Right, that sounds like it could be it. I'll have a look in a min, ty!

no that is not it, for the flames I have two aspects to 5.

[humble saffron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/VFLrSU0HWq

[stoic meadow]

Well that is what the internet said. That is why I am asking here.

[humble saffron]

If you did everything in there it might just be Moros yapping too much

[stoic meadow]

Hope so. I've made sure the other weapons have the correct aspects to V, so we will see. I will try to find some other npcs next few days.

[woven beacon]

i'm on night 67, how am i just now noticing ||bouldy||???

was he here before the credits rolled??

[proven gazelle]

yeah he was always in that room lmao

[woven beacon]

that is wild lmao

i wonder where his friend went...

[primal trench]

Free, to the surface

[bleak roost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265936411903918101/1486639743721537547/image.png?ex=69c63ca7&is=69c4eb27&hm=0d9cba8176dae1986be7066a434624e711c5dc3c629044b264a8a32d51105a04

do i need specific incantantion for opening this tab, or I just need to by default press something?

[winter basin]

There’s an incantation to allow you to use the bat cages

Idk what the unlock requirement is, I think you just need to get past ephyra

If you have it unlocked they’ll glimmer and show what button to press to interact with them

[bleak roost]

And, I just finished my first fear run, but it look liked my nightmare didn't increased
Really confusing because it is different from hades 1

[winter basin]

Did you run the correct weapon on the correct enemy

[bleak roost]

Wait

Must use specific weapon?

[winter basin]

The testaments are “use this weapon at this fear to beat this boss”

There’s a testament for each weapon that changes every night

And the fear increases for that weapon every time you clear a testament

[bleak roost]

Ahh it changes every night

[vivid flare]

No, it changes when you claim the bounty

[bleak roost]

Bounty? The skull?

[vivid flare]

No

No, the bounties are for all weapons, but each weapon has a specific set of bounties to fill. For instance, the torches' first bounty needs 1 Heat to be active and asks you to kill ||Eris||

[winter basin]

It changes every night

[vivid flare]

It doesn't

[winter basin]

I thought it rerolled if you lost

[vivid flare]

Because otherwise I wouldn't have bricked my old file by getting to the point that every single bounty is set to ||Prometheus||

[winter basin]

Huh, got ya. I guess I wasn’t losing many runs at that time so I forgot

[lapis cloak]

what changes every night is the grave thrist that gives you extra bones on a specific weapon

[zinc bison]

Just started playing Hades 2 and was wondering how different the boons are from Hades

Also my muscle memory is completely thrown off with the dash lol

[lapis cloak]

Very different

[vivid flare]

There's no variance on the boons in this game, for starters

[zinc bison]

Wdym

[vivid flare]

So in the first game, you know how, say, Aphrodite's boons could roll between, say 140% and 170% damage up on the Attack? Here it'd be 150%, guaranteed

[zinc bison]

Like the boon rarity?

[vivid flare]

No, like, the damage had a variance within the same rarity

[zinc bison]

Oh I genuinely never knew that about hades 1

But that's good to know

[vivid flare]

But past that, Boons are generally better

[zinc bison]

So far it seems so

[vivid flare]

Plus the Arcana system blows the Mirror of Night out of the water when it comes to making more builds

[zinc bison]

I think it's way better

There's so much more variety it's great

[lilac sundial]

this chat gonna get flooded soon, yay

[timber saffron]

judgement 🤤

[zinc bison]

Good game getting more people to play it? I think that's pretty neat

[quaint siren]

Hi yall i played hades 1 and it became my favorite game and im jumping with joy that ill finally be able to play hades 2, but i gotta ask is it drasticaly diferent from hades 1 or is it just more hades?

[tall kernel]

More hades, but drastically different 😁

Weapons aspects boons keepsakes, gods, all very different than hades 1. Even Gods from hades 1 that show up again have different roles and boons so you have to learn the new game. Not much from hades 1 gives hints about hades 2. A lot of things are similar in mechanics, but most of the details totally different.

Like there is a fates and mirror and keepsakes and weapons and boons with duos and legendaries, but their details are very different.

[quaint siren]

Everything cheks out then, thanks for the info!

[polar laurel]

It's basically all of the core concepts in hades expanded upon immensely

Building well is easier but more expected

And your cast is insanely powerful

[tall kernel]

Cast is very different than hades 1. The game is heavily balanced around its snaring function. Learn to use it and use it constantly.

[winter basin]

Yeah some enemies become absolute nuisances without cast so you have to be careful taking that chaos curse depending on where you are

[rancid mesa]

Hey i have the first hades and i enjoyed playing it a lot and was wondering what was different about the second one in comparison to the first - Thanks for the help.

[lilac sundial]

still great, I think it is a little slower paced, you have less dashes, more ranged options, ways to slow the enemy, so if you like the gun you'll love this.

[rancid mesa]

Appreciate you

[polar laurel]

H2 is just polished h1

The slightly slower pace is in service of making the game more strategic

And builds in h2 get crazy

[vivid flare]

More Hades with extra more

[jaunty mason]

Just joined cause they announced Hades 2 release date on xbox and I’m so ridiculously excited to finally have the chance to play it!!

[lilac sundial]

glad to have you

[soft nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1347972342835449897/1486847925031276735/image.png?ex=69c6fe89&is=69c5ad09&hm=e4b39745ab0f7b32274dd6fd65ae12e0e290becdf7ef4f876764857bbdcb379b& can someone tell me what/how to complete these..?

[vivid flare]

Just gotta keep killing Fangs-enhanced enemies

[soft nebula]

Is vow of fangs one of the run amplifiers for enemies/difficulty?

[vivid flare]

Yes

Fangs specifically adds perks to armored enemies

You might've got that one started because the Moon statues also use Fangs-buffed enemies

[soft nebula]

Ahhh okay, tysm ^^

[tall kernel]

Slower paced ???

[lilac sundial]

less dashes, don't have to get in close and constantly dodge

[tall kernel]

Doesn’t feel less frantic. Feels more so honestly. Both have very similar clear times for me. Feels identically paced to me. But more variety and more bullet hell for hades 2. I think I’m much closer to a hitless hades 1 than I am hitless hades 2

[rustic hinge]

do you have more playtime in h1 though

[tall kernel]

Of course. But Ive gotten pretty far in hades 2. I’ve cleared every fear 20 challenge and got the 32 fear champion of night and all weapons and arcana and most keepsakes maxed.

So I feel like I have an opinion on if it feels slower or faster paced and I don’t think it feels slower or faster. Different.

[tall canyon]

I just started and i got past prometheus, but what is "???" after prometheus? I tried to do some searching on the wiki but didn't find anything

[opal mural]

There are multiple ??? minibosses after Prometheus and they will be revealed after you beat them

[tall canyon]

What happens once u get past them?

[opal mural]

Final boss

[errant marten]

I'm really struggling on the first boss, can someone give me any tips?

i've lost like 5 runs to it and i'm just really finding it difficult

[serene laurel]

What about the fight feels difficult to you? Anything in particular you're looking to improve?

[winter basin]

Hecate doesn’t turn very fast and her attacks are decently slow so you can just dodge through her and attack her from behind. As long as you’re not standing where she’s facing you’re safe

When she does the morph you need to dash through it repeatedly to dodge it since it’s faster than you’re able to run

When she splits you can listen for where her voice is coming from to identify which one is her

[hybrid vale]

Any tips for the upwards route? I'm getting better accustomed to the bottom route after a couple clears, but it definitely feels like the upwards path is a bit of a difficulty spike. The main pain points seem to be Charybdis, Eris, and just Olympus in general.

[opal mural]

Charybdis: Just get lucky and don't get her tbh (though seriously, for the midphase thing where she spews the splitting balls, go to one side of the arena, slowly run to the other side, then dash through the final stragglers)
Eris: Pay attention to where she's facing (or to the attack telegraphs) and take her back, you can use the pillars to block shots but they break if hit by the power shot
Olympus: Use cover to block things like Sapper bombs, Goldpike/Raider spears, and Auto-Watcher/Seeker projectiles

[hybrid vale]

Yeah Char eats my death defiances once she starts on the bullet hell

[radiant vault]

may i ask how i can get more gods, i only have the ones you start the game with

(Hestia, posideon,Zeus,Aphro,apollo and Heph)

[winter basin]

You unlock Hera when you reach the surface for the first time if you haven’t done that

And then there’s a last one you unlock later on regarding the surface

[radiant vault]

i have it kinda unlocked, i usually get cthonic'd

[winter basin]

There’s 8 gods

Wait no

Demeter as well

[winter basin]

You have to get resources to make the incantation it gives you

But Hera should appear right away I think

[radiant vault]

strangly i havent unlocked her

wrong reply

[winter basin]

Then I might be forgetting a trigger for her. It might come after doing some more surface stuff or beating Chronos for the first time

But yeah there’s 9 gods, heph is the first you specifically unlock from doing something I think

[radiant vault]

also is Chronos a 2 phase fight? i have played the orignal Hades

and that was 2 phase

[winter basin]

Yeah he’s got a second phase. There’s more stuff to avoid but he has less health

Just be careful to bring some death defiances into second phase since he has some stuff that can one-shot

[radiant vault]

tbh i usually lose alot of DD to scylla

[winter basin]

They’re very telegraphed and give you time to avoid but I’ve messed up more than a handful of times

[radiant vault]

and cerberus

[winter basin]

Scylla is a big problem early on with how much is happening

Cerberus my tip is “just stand behind him”

When you’re behind him he can only hit you with shockwaves

If he turns just dash through him

If he starts doing shockwaves just step back until he’s done

[radiant vault]

i usually run the scythe and dagger but occasionally do the staff

[winter basin]

The teleport on your omega attack is a good way to close distance or get behind enemies

Lets you step back and then quickly get back in

Eternity arcana can make it a bit easier to use if you’re getting hit while charging and sorceress makes charging faster

[radiant vault]

you possibly on tomorrow, it probably might be better to show you what i have

?

(just its getting late, its 9:10pm over here)

[winter basin]

It’s early on so just use what you’ve got access to. Early on is very much getting by on skill until you unlock stronger stuff to carry you through

It’s very early here and I’m like just getting up lol

It’s 6 AM here

[radiant vault]

EU?

[winter basin]

Central US

[radiant vault]

ahh

anyway, ill try and work on getting stuff unlocked tomorrow morning

and id be happy to show u a run if you'd like

[winter basin]

So just a tip of sister blades is that Poseidon and Hestia are your friends

The rest you can use kinda interchangeably but a lot of your damage comes from getting things like flat damage buffs on your attack such as scorch or Poseidon waves