h2-for-new-players

[final swift]

oh is that the bonus

[wintry rivet]

Yes

[final swift]

hadn't noticed if it goes to 0 when I get hit

[vivid flare]

It does in fact reset when you take damage, yes

[winter palm]

I seem to be getting less Attack boons (compared to H1), is that just a current fewer-keepsakes/gods/boons unlocked thing?
I think I’ve only seen three gods with attack boons so far

I guess there are more things to be buffed, what with the Omegas and all?

[autumn rock]

Yeah it's this mainly - you have like twice as many basic moves

Oh wait, you said on boons, not hammers?

I'm not actually sure how "base number of boons per god" and "amount the game prioritises your core slots" compares to H1, maybe someone can advise?

[winter palm]

Could be a bit of this along with the Attack-Special-Cast not being prioritized, which I find strange
Like in H1 your first boon(s) is like guaranteed to be 2/3 of those
But at least so far I just get crap

[wintry rivet]

Well there is 5 core slot now so maybe because that

Core slot still prioritised

But when you ain't using magick, keep seeing gain is frustrating

[autumn rock]

I think call was considered a core slot last game, right? So there were 5 then too

[vivid flare]

It was, yes

[shy zephyr]

not as core as a gain boon because you couldn't get it offered on your first boon

it had lower priority than the other four

[autumn rock]

Oh, huh, thanks

[latent karma]

Spoiler: Ending ||Does the ending that I choose have a mechanical impact for if I wanna speedrun on that save file later on?||

[wintry rivet]

Choose?

There is different ||ending|| ?

[latent karma]

I'm not sure? ||I'm in a story sequence that feels like it would culminate in the end of the main story, and the NPCs I'm speaking to make it seem like there's a split path going forward.||

[wintry rivet]

||No different ending here afaik||

[latent karma]

oki

[tidal moss]

Nope, nothing affects speedruns

[solar wave]

About the testament and nightmares

I beat 1 boss and got 11 fears. How to spend the fear to upgrade weapon?

[wintry rivet]

Same screen as where you unlock weapon

[serene pilot]

I defeated chronos 8 times,got gigoros
What's next just go beat him a final time for the true ending?

[latent karma]

||If you've only gone down so far: The ending is only achievable by also going up and defeating the final boss there.||

[serene pilot]

I immediately die up even tho I spam my everything

[latent karma]

Then you might be getting hit by a projectile or an attack that you haven't registered yet. Try paying attention to everything that's going on in the fight, some of the attacks are hard to see coming.

[serene pilot]

Wait do i just craft unraveling a fateful bond?

[latent karma]

That's part of what you have to do to get to the end, yeah

Wait no

[serene pilot]

I searched it says i have to do that to not get damaged that much up there

Or is that not true

[latent karma]

I forget what fateful bond was. I don't think it gets you to the ending.

OH

Oh yeah that's the one. Yes you have to do that.

[serene pilot]

Thank god

[latent karma]

I thought you meant you were getting beaten by the final boss lol

[serene pilot]

My mission is easy now, hopefully

[serene pilot]

Ah no that's why im in new players chat

[latent karma]

||Well the surface is still more difficult than the underworld, but it's definitely doable.||

[serene pilot]

The underworld is pretty easy rn ngl

[latent karma]

You probably don't have the ||vow of night|| yet either then, I assume?

[serene pilot]

Uh i dont think so

I'm just waiting for my last nightshade to grow now so i can go up

[latent karma]

Just as a heads-up: The cauldron is your main place to go for every step of your story progression. I don't think there's a single point in the story that doesn't go through a crafting recipe in the cauldron.

[serene pilot]

oh yeah im constantly using it i was just making sure that this was the specific thing that allows me to go up

[serene pilot]

Guh i got to ||Prometheus|| on my first try up

[olive kettle]

I'm making my way through the underworld right now, cleared the first bossfight.
When I die in this second part will I return back to the first bit next run or will I start in the area I'm in now?

[tidal moss]

You'll start at the beginning

[olive kettle]

will I fight the same boss my next time around or will it be someone different?

[tidal moss]

Same

[olive kettle]

oki.
thanks :)

[olive kettle]

Do I keep what Arachne gives me after my run ends?

[lapis cloak]

No

[tidal moss]

Fate fabric? Yes

Dresses? No

[olive kettle]

got it.

[mellow temple]

hey so to unlock nemesis's second ambrosia lock do I have to keep doing underworld runs or is there a specific thing I have to do?

[quick fiber]

Keep talking to her everywhere

[west sorrel]

Hello

I got to Chronos today

Sadly i didnt beat him

Whats the best weapon and what set of cards are the best right now

I have 18 grasp

[lapis cloak]

Weapon depends on what you like to play, arcana cards it's really important that you have the one that makes enemies take more damage when you apply two curses and also death defiances or strength (death defiances are probably better for you at the moment)

Also good job on reaching Chronos, you'll only get even stronger and it will become easier and easier to get to him and eventually beat him

[west sorrel]

Well the torch suits me best then

Staff is good but the range is lacking and i am stuck when attackinh

[lapis cloak]

Torches are really good, my favorite too

[west sorrel]

Axe is defenitely no

Dagger and sickle is another no because of range

The skull is good but it has an ammo system

The other one i cant get yet since i cant go to the surface for long without the incantation

[vivid flare]

If I may give you a piece of advice with the axe: the Special resets your attack combo, and is even something of an animation cancel for the attack. Use it liberally

Skull is also another case of "use special liberally"

[west sorrel]

Its like a shadowdash in hollow knight

Definitely can use that

[vivid flare]

You do not get iframes on Skull's special

Only on the regular dash

[west sorrel]

Aw damn

[vivid flare]

You're invulnerable during the Omega Special on skull, but I would not recommend trying to use that reactively, for hopefully-obvious reasons

[lapis cloak]

You get the ammo back when you special

[west sorrel]

Automatically?

[lapis cloak]

Yeah

It collects the shells, I think there's probably a range but the range is very large

[west sorrel]

Well now it ties with torches

Also omega attack is like weak version of that hex

I like it

[inland palm]

whats the best weapon for someone who liked the shield in h1?

[vivid flare]

Which shield?

Because if it's Beowulf, Medea Skull has a similar (though not identical) playstyle to it

[inland palm]

I liked zeus

[vivid flare]

There's not much that's in that same sort of playstyle here

Closest would probably be Eos torches?

[inland palm]

Thanks

[vivid flare]

But Eos doesn't tick as fast as Zeus shield did, and also has its own little gimmick where the cloud it tosses out will shoot out Specials whenever you do

[lapis cloak]

If you liked blocking theres the coat but there are a lot of unlockable attacks in hades 2

[weak mantle]

It's specifically going to be a dialogue you get from her out in the field, you should already meet the requirements, just need to talk to her more.

[jovial zodiac]

Does ||Typhon|| take damage from scorch? And if so is the damage also capped at 1000?

Because I main a scorch build and he lasts ... So... So long....

[vivid flare]

He does, and he has the same cap as all other enemies

It's just that he's got the highest HP pool in the game before considering Rivals fights

[jovial zodiac]

Mhm...
Given that without fail I always hit the scorch cap, for the daggers is scorch the best weapon?

A flat +140 damage is insane but it's not always realisable bcos of the cap

Maybe Poseidon's splash might be better

[tribal current]

And Scorch's damage is a constant rate.

You get 100 dps (x whatever % you got from Pyro, and plus your origination and other bonuses), and that's it, no way to make it do more

[vivid flare]

Personally more of a fan of splashes on the daggers, though beefy Freezer Burn detonations are quite funny

[tribal current]

Pretty much everything feels good on daggers except maybe wounds

[jovial zodiac]

Wounds?

[tribal current]

Spoilers 😉

[jovial zodiac]

💔 yeah I've not been able to trigger it yet

[vivid flare]

Final main Olympian

[jovial zodiac]

Just say it with spoiler tag

[jovial zodiac]

||ares I assume I just forgot what he does||

[tribal current]

Ah, yeah, him

[vivid flare]

Yep

[tribal current]

He does Wounds

[jovial zodiac]

Really? There's no others?

[vivid flare]

||All the others are event NPCs like Artemis||

[jovial zodiac]

Wow that sucks for daggers

Does anyone know the formula for Pom of power bhff?

[tribal current]

It's not bad for daggers. There isn't a bad attack boon for daggers, the way some other weapons have actively bad attack boons. It's just that there are a lot of better attack boons for the daggers

[vivid flare]

Pretty sure it a per-boon formula. As in, each one has its own unique scaling

[jovial zodiac]

Any spreadsheet or anything?

[vivid flare]

I'd say %-based boons are pretty bad if you don't get the power-increasing hammers

[jovial zodiac]

I mean... It's pretty fckin bad

[vivid flare]

Probably in the speedrunning Discord

[jovial zodiac]

Mhm I assume it's public

[tribal current]

Most of them apply origination, though, with the exception of Aph
But if Aph is in your boon pool you probably have Glamour Gain, and Orig is free anyway

[lapis cloak]

Aphro and apollo don't apply curses

[tribal current]

But yeah, I'd say Aph is maybe the worst attack boon for daggers, then ares, then the % ones, then hestia, then zeus and poseidon as the best

[tribal current]

Apollo attack does with a secondary boon

[lapis cloak]

Yeah I forget this exists cause it's % based

And you can apply daze with other things way easier

Blinding rush my beloved

[tribal current]

Yeah, it's like 25%
But it's pretty consistent on daggers because of their speed

[jovial zodiac]

Ok I found a spreadsheet but they all only show lv1 stats

[lapis cloak]

Going apollo on blades is kinda weird

But I get it

[tribal current]

Yeah, like it's not the best, but the situation can come up where it's the best you can get when you need something

[weak mantle]

Are you looking for something specific right now, or you want to see all of it laid out together?

[jovial zodiac]

I'm rly just trying to work out what a decent levelled (like, 7-8) Poseidon attack is to see if I should try and grind his keepsake

[vivid flare]

I mean, it's decent for the hidden knives, but base ones?

Yeah

[weak mantle]

Oh the Poseidon attack is just +5 per rarity and Pom, it's one of the most linear scaling boons in the game

[jovial zodiac]

Oh that's... Really bad actually
A +9 heroic boon is only like... 80 damage

Then again that's significantly better than the completely useless 140 damage of Hestia which gets wasted over 90% of the time

[lapis cloak]

It's really good if your weapon attacks really fast

[jovial zodiac]

Yeah but there's a 0.13 second cap which I think the daggers hit with only a couple boons

I can fill up Hestia bar in a second odd with the +35% hammer and +10% Hermes on daggers so that means 1100/140=7.8 attacks a second which hits max cap

[jovial zodiac]

Roughly 780 DPS from the attack boon alongside the hammer and Hermes boons... Which sounds good before I realise that's almost a minute and a half of straight walloping against the final boss

However kings tide triples that against bosses so that's... 30 seconds of walloping

Time to steamroll

[cunning moon]

lol yeee typhon be tanky af

[tidal moss]

Doubles, it's 200% damage

[cunning moon]

I was doing a decent axe build that did 800-1k damage and took him down pretty quickly

[jovial zodiac]

Oh I thought it was +200%

Man that sucks

[tidal moss]

Nah king tide and wounds double damage

Only crit does triple

[cunning moon]

That’s why I love Artemis boons

[vivid flare]

The humble White Antler:

[cunning moon]

I got that thing I don’t use it tho

[tidal moss]

Start using it

[vivid flare]

You should, it's quite good

[cunning moon]

Aight maybe I will

[final swift]

hi, do I lose a duo boon if I sacrifice one of the requirements?

[vivid flare]

If it's already picked up, no. If you haven't found it yet, you will lose access to it until you find something else that fills the requirements

[final swift]

also is it possible to get the option to sacrifice a heroic boon?

thank you btw!

[kindred quiver]

Pretty sure yes

[vivid flare]

I don't think it's possible without you having Vow of Forfeit active

[kindred quiver]

There’s the well of Charon item also

I think I’ve seen it in a run of my own. I’ve had runs where most of if not all my boons were heroic because of that one Demeter boon

[olive kettle]

hey up to what point in the game do I need to spoiler tag things?

[weak mantle]

Desc on this channel: "Spoiler tag post-Erebus content discussions! Untagged spoilers will be deleted. Check pins for guidelines & instructions on spoiler tagging."

[olive kettle]

alr thanks

[kind sparrow]

Does ||Atremis|| appear in camp to ||sing|| again? I tried recording her but she made the screen freeze and then crash so she was gone when I launched the game 💔

[kindred quiver]

Yes. It’s not super common for her to show up, but you’ll see her from time to time.

That spot with the grass and deer is always reserved for her

[kind sparrow]

Sick. Thank you!

[kindred quiver]

No problem 👍

[eternal mica]

I've got several clears going both directions but am missing like 5 people to get keepsakes from

Is it pretty obvious later who they become, or should I google it? IDC about minor spoilers but would prefer to avoid major ones

[tidal moss]

3 are post ending and two are npc's you may have missed

[eternal mica]

Correction I'm missing 4

I'd rather not know the 3 post ending so missing 1 npc perhaps

I'm missing the 3 left of Chaos and one left of Demeter

[vivid flare]

The 3 left of Chaos are post-credits

The one left of Demeter is Poseidon, I think?

[eternal mica]

nah I have Posiden

wait nvm you're right

Somehow I've just skipped him lol oops

I just always avoid his boons generally

[rough cloud]

Guys can duo boons appear from both gods that are required for the duo?

[proven gazelle]

Yep

[tidal moss]

Yes

[shy zephyr]

(only exceptions are the zeus ||hera|| duos since they're different)

[pulsar olive]

I just wanna say, I got this game on Christmas Day for switch 2 and been enjoying it ever since

But idk how to best the first little boss lol

[tidal moss]

Hecate?

[pulsar olive]

Yes

[tidal moss]

Are you unlocking arcana?

[pulsar olive]

I’m not sure 😭

[tidal moss]

The cards at the top of the training ground

[pulsar olive]

Oh I have some already

[tidal moss]

Which ones are you using?

[serene pilot]

How many times do i have to beat ||typon||

[tidal moss]

5

[serene pilot]

oo

2 more to go

[tidal moss]

Do you have ||gigaros||

[serene pilot]

Yep

[tidal moss]

Mkay then yes 5

[serene pilot]

I beat ||typon|| 3 times
So 2 more then i get the true ending?

[tidal moss]

Yep

[digital mantle]

when i can send the images

it's irritating

[tidal moss]

You have to link them from another server or with imgur

[digital mantle]

why is it made that way

[tidal moss]

Because people cannot behave

[digital mantle]

literally, zero reason. how are people supposed to chat about the game without images

[digital mantle]

every single server in the existence is doing just fine

[tidal moss]

We just link the images it's not hard

[digital mantle]

what's the point of not allowing CTRL V, but allowing Forwarded images. this is so incredibly dumb i cant

[tidal moss]

It's to stop spam and inappropriate material being constantly posted 😭

<@&456908176877551658> You can probably explain better than me

[digital mantle]

also no, can't forward in these channels

i dont need explanation, i won't change anything so there's no point

[tidal moss]

😭

[digital mantle]

it's just a dumb rule. zero justification for it too. not a single server in my entire life has ever done such thing, and i've never seen constant spam on public ones either

anyways, i am just curious, if you had to pick between 3 Hermes boons

travel deal / hasty repeat / nitro boost? all 3 seem whatever.

[tidal moss]

Nitro boost is really good

So is travel deal

[digital mantle]

i dont really need dodge, i dont get hit. nitro boost just makes me faster? ok whatever. and the Deal gives me like a little discount

[tidal moss]

Nitro boost gives you free damage block

[digital mantle]

i either can buy everything, or can't buy anything in Charon shops. no inbetween

[tidal moss]

Travel deal gives you extra rewards at shops

[digital mantle]

don't care. im playing 0 heat with medea

or 4 heat, whatever

[tidal moss]

Then take travel deal, also it's called fear

[digital mantle]

idc, it was heat in the first game, so it remains heat

it's like not calling the checkpoints in Elden Ring bonfires. estrogen behavior

[tidal moss]

[digital mantle]

don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to be a cornball, i'm just saying it's iconic

it's like saying Guardian instead of the Boss

Boss is an iconic name for tough enemies in videogames, as well as Heat system for Hades games

[rustic hinge]

what makes heat more "iconic" than fear? its older?

[vivid flare]

You just named off his 3 best boons

Nitro Boost is a green light to use Antler, Travel Deal lets you snowball with double shop boons, and Hasty Retreat is a solid amount of dodge

[digital mantle]

@vivid flaremy favorite is the projectiles getting slowed

[cobalt raven]

Just started the game, any tips

[vivid flare]

Use your cast

And don't treat the game as the exact same as the first one

[kind sparrow]

How many phases does ||Cronos|| have?

He was ONE hit away and I’m so unbelievably mad, I need to know if I was close or not

[lapis cloak]

2

[kind sparrow]

Damn it. Thank you

[jovial zodiac]

I FINALLY BEAT THE SURFACE ROUTE!!!

[jovial zodiac]

Night bloom genuinely carried

I somehow had 2 deaths defiances left

[inland palm]

whats the difference between dashing, rushing, and sprinting?

also how do you get more than 2 death defiances (moros arcana and lucky tooth)

[lapis cloak]

You can get three death defiances from the arcana, one from toula (cat familiar) and then there is moros and lucky tooth

There is also another way of getting a death defiance but it would be a bit of a spoiler

[vivid flare]

Something that says dash only affects the initial dash, something that says sprint only takes effect while in sprint, something that says rushing is active for both

[jovial zodiac]

||Circe's cat buff, kiss of Styx and Athena boons right?||

Is it at all possible to do a surface run without the incantation? Like, at least to kill Polyphemus

[lapis cloak]

I forgot about || Circe buffing the cat cause I barely use it || kiss of Styx only regens a DD if you lost it and there are other DD regens in the game, I was thinking about the third option

[jovial zodiac]

Wait what's the DD regens

[lapis cloak]

Narcissus can gift you a Styx kiss, and echo can regen your dds

[jovial zodiac]

Hermes carried me today with 2 kisses right before the summit guardian

[jovial zodiac]

So you have 2 for the surface and 2 for hell

😔 and ofc the surface ones are significantly worse

[lapis cloak]

You mean from the shop? Yeah you can also get it on caron shop

[jovial zodiac]

Yeah but you can't ever get 2 at once from Charon 💜 I got 1 from the shop and another from a delivery

[lapis cloak]

Echo regens all your dds, but they give less Hp and magic, then less and less for each one

[jovial zodiac]

NGL on my first chronos clear I relied entirely on the magic refil from DD to kill him BCOS I ran out of magic and my build relied on the laser fron selene

[vivid flare]

Definitely not. ||You need to clear 6 rooms around the square and the curse bypasses DDs||

[jovial zodiac]

Didn't know the curse bypasses it

😔 ig it's similar to trying to do an as-long-as-possible time limit run in Hades you just burn to death eventually

[vivid flare]

TBF, you can get really far in Extreme Deadline

[tidal moss]

Especially cause you can iframe it

[quick lichen]

Not sure if this is the correct channel, does anyone know what a certain symbol around Mel means? I am running ||Aspect of Artemis|| and sometimes I see that there is a green shine coming off her and then a number of what looks like green knives above her head. Can't tell what boon or other effect this might be coming from.
edit: additional info, I notice now the knives go down by 1 if I use my special

[lapis cloak]

Aspect of Artemis lets you parry every 15 seconds using omega attack, when you do your next 9 attacks get increased critical chance, thats what the knives mean, the green thing is just an visual effect to show you have increased crit chance

I said attack but I meant strikes, your next 9 strikes get increased crit chance, meaning it can work with attack or special

[quick lichen]

thanks, that is exactly what it is. I forgot riposte does something more than just block a hit. I read the ability again now.

[plain dune]

What is the fastest way to get materials to upgrade arcana?

[vivid flare]

Have an order from Charon running at all times, take the Grave Thirst weapon so you can buy it with bones as well

[plain dune]

Thanks

[zinc latch]

so i played the early access about 15 hours, let's say slow progress

should i just restart to play 1.x now?

i guess i dont remember much about my run not emotionally invested in it --

guess im talking myself into restarting a fresh run thanks guys!

[kindred quiver]

I say go for it. I made a new save for 1.0 and don’t regret it

Also, I don’t know how far back in EA you played but progression has been made faster

[primal trench]

theres no wrong answer, is really up to you

[inland palm]

any tips for ||scylla||?

[vivid flare]

Kill the drummer

[jovial zodiac]

Lure the drummer and the bassist together so you can hit both at the same time

When scyllas on phase 3 bum rush her do NOT let her spawn ads

[weak mantle]

Also get out of the habit of running away from the ||drum circle and instead dash through them||. I've seen a staggering amount of people continue to do that and get hit 2+ times by that one attack

[jovial zodiac]

Is the twin daggers that bad

I've seen people talk about them and say theyr literally the worst weapons in the game

They limit your choices, sure, but at least on 0 fear theyr pretty fun
I've not gotten to high fear yet though

It's also just fun to become the apostle of Poseidon himself and kill the guardian of the summit by, in Chronos' words, "pouring water on me"

[tidal moss]

They're bad in the sense that it's the weakest weapon, not bad as in unplayable

[jovial zodiac]

What's the strongest then...
I saw someone use Medea skull to beat 67 fear surface

[tidal moss]

They've been used to clear up to 62f, but won't set any speedrun times or be good at max fear

[tidal moss]

Staff in general is the strongest

Medea is specifically the strongest aspect, followed by mel staff

[jovial zodiac]

😨 sorry are you saying that NOONES beaten it with twin daggers

[jovial zodiac]

Staff as in, the starting weapon

[jovial zodiac]

No wonder I struggled against the summit guardian so much 😭

[tidal moss]

Max fear has been beaten with medea, mel staff, mel axe, shiva, and one other aspect i can't remember

[tidal moss]

Yes

The only max fear surface clear was with medea

[jovial zodiac]

Huh?

That was Medea skull I thought because next to their health bar it had the 4/4 skull bar

Crazy how such an old game has only been beaten a single time

[vivid flare]

Yep

[tidal moss]

Huh???

[jovial zodiac]

Beaten (max fear hard route)

[tidal moss]

67f has only been around for a few months

[jovial zodiac]

-_- what

[tidal moss]

It wasn't like this since the start of EA

Rivals wasn't added till this year

[jovial zodiac]

I thought this was out like two years ago nvm lol

[vivid flare]

Yeah, 67F was only possible once the Vow of Rivals was added. Before, I think max was 55?

[tidal moss]

No lmfao 1.0 released in November

[jovial zodiac]

Oh yeah why TF is the first vow of rivals on Scylla not hecate

[jovial zodiac]

... November, this year????

[tidal moss]

YES

[jovial zodiac]

I mightve mixed up the first advertisements for the game to hype it up with the actual release

[tidal moss]

You definitely have

It went into ea i think march/June, last year

[jovial zodiac]

😭 ok nvm that's so queer no wonder the wiki is so terrible

[tidal moss]

Yeah do not trust the wiki

[jovial zodiac]

Hard to find other sources tho

Hades 1 had the darkness grind, is there anything to do in Hades 2 once you've beaten it?
I've not beaten it yet I have 3 surface and 1 hell run left but I'm close

[jovial zodiac]

Other than fear grinding I mean because I'm 🥁 afraid 🥁 of doing that

[tidal moss]

Epilogue, chaos trials, fear runs, cosmetics, there is a similar thing to the darkness grind

[tidal moss]

Go for 62f

[jovial zodiac]

I just said ion Wana that sounds like hell
Also why 62 insfead of 67

[tidal moss]

62 is everything but void

[jovial zodiac]

Chaos trials are weird idk how to unlock them cos I did what's required but it didn't unlock

[tidal moss]

65 is void 3

[jovial zodiac]

Kudos?

[tidal moss]

67 is max void and no arcana at all

[tidal moss]

Kudos and boss resources and whatnot

[tidal moss]

Yeah idk unlock requirements for that

[jovial zodiac]

... Gorgon necklace time...

I shud get all the keepsakes

Rn I only have like 10 bcos I only got the rly good ones

Other than the post game ones

[tidal moss]

Typically with the post game ones, keepsakes are pom->chrolex->whatever->pin/antler

[tidal moss]

But yes get them all

[jovial zodiac]

What's chrolex

Also sorry why are you finishing with the pin or the antler??? Pin just sounds worse than tooth and antler sounds suicidal on the bloody summit

[tidal moss]

Pin is better than tooth by a lot

Antler is just a skill check

[tidal moss]

You'll get it post ending

[jovial zodiac]

It's reusable but they both can only be used once in a location and tooth heals for more

[jovial zodiac]

Chronos?

[tidal moss]

Not quite, you'll see

[jovial zodiac]

Ugh just say the character

[tidal moss]

No

[jovial zodiac]

Hades?

[vivid flare]

This is the no-spoiler channel

Please stop tap-dancing on thin ice

[jovial zodiac]

I physically can't spoil because I've not played that far -_-

[tidal moss]

Pin heals for 60 still, and gives you 10 seconds of free damage and is way more effective than 100 hp from tooth at the end of a fight, if you phase a boss it will count as clearing an encounter

[vivid flare]

And we can't answer because this is the no-spoiler channel

[jovial zodiac]

Makes sense, sorry

[tidal moss]

Do not underrate the 10 seconds it gives you

[jovial zodiac]

Yeah but still against ||Typhon|| it means you explode in ten seconds versus tooth where you can pop it and enjoy your strength-fuelled safety for the next however long

[jovial zodiac]

That's max 20k damage with a truely divine setup

[tidal moss]

Please tell me you're not running death and strength together

[jovial zodiac]

And I don't think you can even achieve that at fates whim

[jovial zodiac]

😨

[vivid flare]

If you're using Strength, you don't take Tooth

Or any other DDs

[tidal moss]

You can get way higher

Fates whim is much much stronger

[jovial zodiac]

But... Life...

[tidal moss]

😒

[jovial zodiac]

... How?

I'm used to having 10+ dice idk

[vivid flare]

Believe in the Strength that believes in you

[tidal moss]

Can't spoil it but buffs almost every boon you take massively

[jovial zodiac]

But you can have strength AND enough deaths defiances to carry you past Olympus into space itself

[jovial zodiac]

Oh! Does that only happen at 67 fear?

[vivid flare]

No, it happens in general

[tidal moss]

No it's a keepsake that does it

[tidal moss]

Death and strength is just such a waste of arcana

[vivid flare]

Sure, or you could free up 4 Grasp by not taking 2 cards that are at odds with one another

[jovial zodiac]

... ||Bejeweled pom or calling card? And it's not massive it's just +1 level or rarity||

[vivid flare]

||Jpom is +3 levels at rank 3||

[tidal moss]

First one, scales up to +3 per boon

[jovial zodiac]

Not like I'm using my arcana on much else, I'm running the bloody sprint one that makes you 10% faster lol

[jovial zodiac]

😨

[tidal moss]

Show us your arcana

[vivid flare]

What does Cheirloom take it to, anyways?

[tidal moss]

I am unsure

[jovial zodiac]

Different devices, can't, but I use the dice corner and the second column in full along with the sprinter one and deadalus

[jovial zodiac]

Cheirloom? The circe thing?

[tidal moss]

Tfym different devices, just use crossroads

[vivid flare]

Cherished Heirloom, the Demeter/Hera Duo

[jovial zodiac]

I'm unfamiliar

[vivid flare]

Gives +1 rank to your keepsakes (and can turn them rank 4)

[jovial zodiac]

What's crossroads

[jovial zodiac]

Oh nvm! I always thought that was a circe buff

[lapis cloak]

Pom? It's +4

[vivid flare]

That's low-key disappointing, was hoping it'd be +5

[lapis cloak]

Weirdly it doesn't scale like that for both || jpom and chrolex specifically ||

|| card goes from 6 to 8 tho ||

[vivid flare]

Does ||getting it with Chrolex still reset the uses, or did they fix that||?

[lapis cloak]

I think it's fixed cause I got it not too long ago and don't remember it resetting the uses

[tidal moss]

They defo fixed it

[tidal moss]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/

[jovial zodiac]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM3IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE1IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE3IiwiYzE4IiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIiwiYzIzIiwiYzI0Il0=

If can't be that bad

[tidal moss]

NO ORIGINATION

Take of strength and swift runner, turn on origination

Actually

[jovial zodiac]

Why is that... Called that ...
The name has nothing...
...
It's because it's a Rolex I'm so stupid

[tidal moss]

NO FURIES EITHER

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjQiXQ==

Use this instead

[jovial zodiac]

Is that the +50% 2 curses one? Yeah I don't use it because Poseidon froth is rare
Because I don't rly use casts ever so I can only use froth with his froth buff

And then I need to get a second curse, it's a hassle

[vivid flare]

It's really not

[jovial zodiac]

I have maxed the level though

[jovial zodiac]

💔 most runs I don't get the froth boon

[vivid flare]

Zeus, Hestia, and Hera are all there and those give Curses right off the bat

[tidal moss]

Do you only play poseidon? What?

[jovial zodiac]

My poor poor baby artificer

[wintry rivet]

Ares erasure

[jovial zodiac]

Twin daggers are genuinely useless without it

[tidal moss]

You should have cast down 100% of the time

[lapis cloak]

No origination is crazy

[jovial zodiac]

Why...

[vivid flare]

Aphro and Demeter, too, it's just that the former's only on her cast and regen (you cannot convince me Passion Rush is real) and the latter has bad scaling

[tidal moss]

Because? With furies it's extra damage, plus cc and more damage with a cast boon

[jovial zodiac]

Like wow thanks Aphrodite for the 200% damage buff, now I hit for 60 per hit yay...

[tidal moss]

Hestia:
Zeus:
Hera:
Apollo oattack builds:

[vivid flare]

Dancing Blitz go brr

[tidal moss]

I think you just don't know how to build blades

[jovial zodiac]

Hestia hits the damage cap rly easily
Zeus attack has a cool down, rly doesn't mesh well with daggers
Hera is a % buff and so is apollo

[tidal moss]

Do you take trick knives

[jovial zodiac]

That's possible

[vivid flare]

I agree that splashes are a good place to start, but they're not your only option

[jovial zodiac]

What's that I have before I just don't know their names

[lapis cloak]

Wdym Zeus attack has a cool down? Do you mean blitz?

[tidal moss]

Hestia doesn't have a damage cap as long as you keep applying it

[jovial zodiac]

Isw that's not an attack boon it's a side buff

[vivid flare]

It's a hammer that makes you throw out your three of your Special when you dash-strike

[jovial zodiac]

... What

[tidal moss]

Blitz cooldown is so short you won't even notice it on blades

[tidal moss]

Oh my sweet summer child

[jovial zodiac]

You apply it way faster than it burns off

[vivid flare]

That is a hammer and Boon combo. Dancing Blades (your specials ricochet) and Blitz on the Special

[tidal moss]

Yeah that's the point

[jovial zodiac]

Isn't it 4 fckin seconds

[tidal moss]

You can run oattack builds with %damage

[jovial zodiac]

Oop sorry

[lapis cloak]

Not if you activate it

[vivid flare]

That is not the main way you proc Blitz

[tidal moss]

NO???? IT'S LIKE 0.2

[vivid flare]

The 4-second thing is a pity window in case you somehow didn't do the 120 damage to detonate it

[lapis cloak]

4 seconds if you don't do enough damage to activate it which is pretty much impossible unless you actively stop attacking

[tidal moss]

😭 😭 😭

[jovial zodiac]

Requires 4 hits unless Zeus also gives % damage buff which idk

[tidal moss]

It's 120 damage period like

[lapis cloak]

You're not putting Zeus on your attack tho

For blades at least

Well you could honestly Zeus is just broken whatever

[jovial zodiac]

Unless your doing backstab but I don't think you can? For ||Typhon||

[wintry rivet]

Blade whole attack string deal like 115 total before damage boost

[jovial zodiac]

Yeah but each hit is 20

[tidal moss]

Yeah i mean i've done it, works just fine

[wintry rivet]

Ask yourself how fast it deal 6 hit

[tidal moss]

If you're cancelling the attack string with special then it gets to 120 really quick

[jovial zodiac]

Yeah but with the same number of hits Poseidon is doing 280 dmg

[wintry rivet]

And that is not including damage boost card like fury or origination

[tidal moss]

Are you not getting this

[jovial zodiac]

😨 oh god that stupid rock guy

[lapis cloak]

That's like base values right? Not counting bonus dmg you can get with strength + furies + a possible huntress

[vivid flare]

You're tossing it on the Special

[tidal moss]

YOU CAN HAVE BLITZ SPECIAL AND POS ATTACK

DO BOTH

[tidal moss]

They don't have huntress on either

[jovial zodiac]

... Oh yeah

[lapis cloak]

I know

[jovial zodiac]

So Zeus can do a curse and so can aphro or Hera or Apollo or Demeter which is almost guaranteed due to the reduced god pool

[tidal moss]

Get another curse on sprint or cast

[tidal moss]

Every god has a curse

[lapis cloak]

All gods in the game can some way or another apply a curse

[tidal moss]

All of them except heph have it on at least one core boon

[jovial zodiac]

Those ones are rly common along with Hestias but Poseidon's is kinda rare

[lapis cloak]

Well there's the cast

[tidal moss]

I get it second boon 90% of the time without rolls

[jovial zodiac]

Cast... Probably the biggest thing I need to change I've used it maybe 10 times total and most of those are misclicks

[tidal moss]

[lapis cloak]

Yeah you should cast all the time

[tidal moss]

Cast needs to be down 100% of the time

[jovial zodiac]

But the boss always just leaves it anyway

[tidal moss]

😭

[lapis cloak]

You can put a cast mid attack sequence with blades btw

[jovial zodiac]

But... Dameg 🥺

[tidal moss]

I would never do the whole blades combo anyway

[lapis cloak]

Yeah sure but you could

[jovial zodiac]

Is the hammer that buffs the final attack any good

[lapis cloak]

On the hidden aspect is insane

[jovial zodiac]

I mainly get it because it's rly good for areas 2+3

[tidal moss]

Final slice is good, and you can lean into it, but otherwise no

[jovial zodiac]

Oh I'm still using rank v melinoe

[tidal moss]

You want a %damage boon tho

[jovial zodiac]

Oh yeah fair I was just using it for big flashy colour

[lapis cloak]

man now I kinda wanna play mel blades

[jovial zodiac]

Wait can someone explain that thing someone said about there not being a damage cap for Hestias flames

[lapis cloak]

It's worth it trust

[jovial zodiac]

😔 it's only +25% tho

[vivid flare]

That is a +25% global buff

[lapis cloak]

It's 100 dmg/second with a cap of 999, as long as you keep applying scorch it won't run out, also there is a boon that makes it go faster

[vivid flare]

As well as a Duo that lets you set it off

[lapis cloak]

In short, you should be applying more than 100 scorch per second (even more with pyro technique) to get the most damage

[jovial zodiac]

Even with the boon that makes it go faster
Lets say it's heroic and +5 for +300% ish
Your still applying WAY more than 400 scorch damage every second

So it rly cuts into your DPS

[tidal moss]

Huh?

[jovial zodiac]

Scorch on heroic does like 75 at base and can easily scale to 140

[tidal moss]

How does applying more scorch cut dps

[jovial zodiac]

With the hammer for +35% attack speed and hermes' +10% that's almost 8 hits a second

[tidal moss]

It's always doing x amount of damage per tick

[jovial zodiac]

Relatively

[tidal moss]

You're making no sense

[jovial zodiac]

Exactly but if it's at cap and you hit the boss, your only doing 20 damage

[tidal moss]

Along with scorch damage

[jovial zodiac]

Yes but scorch happens wether you hit them or not

Because it's already at cap

[lapis cloak]

Also you're not hitting 100% of the time

[tidal moss]

No you're not

If you're standing there just holding attack and doing the full combo then you're doing it wrong

[jovial zodiac]

Yeah but you rarely have a full 5 ish second gap unless high fear is VERY dodge focused

[jovial zodiac]

Ah ...

[lapis cloak]

Just try hestia keepsake next run I guarantee you it's gonna feel powerful

Specially if you use more your cast too

[tidal moss]

It's still gonna be doing the same, if not more dps than splash, especially with pyro technique

AND USE YOUR SPECIALS, IT'S FREE BACKSTAB AND CURSE APPLICATION

[jovial zodiac]

Splash should be doing 8*70= 560 ish plus another 160 from base damage

Scorch has again the 160 but only another 400 at best from scorch

[tidal moss]

Where are you getting these numbers

[jovial zodiac]

And that's assuming you have a comical number of pom of power for scorch

[jovial zodiac]

Grinding this stupid game for the past 3 days straight...
(It's not stupid I'm just stupid for trying to finish the game as fast as I can)

[tidal moss]

Splash is not doing 8*70

[jovial zodiac]

By which I mean I've been running it admittedly on 0 fear

[tidal moss]

It's like 35 at base

[jovial zodiac]

Yeah at rare

[jovial zodiac]

Hyperbole

But splash scales rly well with poms of power bcos it's linear so I focus more on them

[wintry rivet]

Each splash rarity add like 5 splash damage

Each pom level add additional 5

[jovial zodiac]

Same with each level

[tidal moss]

Scorch is always going to be doing that damage, splash doesn't have 100% uptime

[jovial zodiac]

70 comes from my +10 rare splash and my much more normal +8 heroic one

[tidal moss]

Especially between specials, dash strikes, casts, and running away

[jovial zodiac]

Assuming you can hit them every two seconds

[tidal moss]

Blades stacks it very quick

[jovial zodiac]

Tbf I've barely been using dash strikes in this game, I used them religiously in Hades 1 but not so much here because there's no cracked Artemis boon for +75% damage

[tidal moss]

You haven't even been using dash strike

I give up, do what you want, just know that you're wrong

Can't be bothered trying to explain this

[vivid flare]

There is

On a hammer

For the knives

[midnight ridge]

tbh i barely use dash strikes in hades 2 either, i also loved them in hades 1

[vivid flare]

Also one for the axe but that's not important right now

And the skulls

And the Coat

[jovial zodiac]

🤤 thank god my love has returned
Hades 1 spear build my beloved

[wintry rivet]

The usage of dash strike is depends on how often you play staff/mel axe/coat

[lapis cloak]

#h2-victory-boasting message you gotta trust scorch is broken

[nova kiln]

im confused af, i have all the weapons except the coat, but 2 runs through surface beating prometheus i havent found a single adamant??

is there some sort of extra thing i have to do to unlock being able to find it?

[latent karma]

You probably just got unlucky. ||Adamant is found on Olympus in great abundance usually.||

[nova kiln]

yeah, after my first run i checked the wiki and saw that.

welp guess i have to do more runs, thanks

[latent karma]

Do you have ||familiars|| already? ||You can find Raki in the well room in Erebus. He increases your odds at finding minerals.||

[nova kiln]

i have ||frinos||, but i have no idea where to find other ones

i'll try to get the one you suggested

[latent karma]

You'll need to interact with them twice, and for 2nd time you'll need ||pet treats|| in your inventory to bind to them.

||The others are all found in various other non-combat rooms throughout other regions.||

[nova kiln]

ahhhhhh i see. i have 2 ||pet treats|| atm so i should be good

welp thanks for the help

[ruby basin]

how to get thalamus

i have to go down to that chaos god?

[latent karma]

Yup, exactly. And then get a little lucky.

If you have ||familiars|| already, ||Hecuba can increase your odds of finding plant seeds.||

[kindred quiver]

I don’t know if I’m imagining things but I swear resources are way more likely to appear in a chaos rooms compared to any other room.

[latent karma]

I think you might be correct.

[kindred quiver]

I get flux stone or a dig spot almost every time I go to one

Darkness is a bit rarer but not that much. You also don’t need as much of it

[ruby basin]

i was lucky enough to get 2 seeds twice in a row lol

[kindred quiver]

There’s also an incantation that gives you a chance of getting your seed(s) back when harvesting a crop but I think you get that pretty late

[serene pilot]

||i helped dora recall her memories but her last heart is still locked how do i unlock it||

[lapis cloak]

im pretty sure you need to get some aditional dialogue with || prometheus and her ||

[kindred quiver]

this

[serene pilot]

Oh yeah i just got ||new dialogue from Prometheus on it||

[jovial zodiac]

I FINALLY BEAT THE GAME YAY but I haven't found ||the fates|| yet

[vivid flare]

They're the epilogue

[jovial zodiac]

That happened to me for iron I got to the summit guardian before seeing a single piece of it...

[jovial zodiac]

I assume I just gotta climb fear to find them

[proven gazelle]

No

Fear is completely optional, if you hit credits then you have a minor prophecy from them telling you characters you need to get closer to

[jovial zodiac]

Characters I need to get closer to? It just told me to ||go to the summit and hell||

[vivid flare]

You do need one particular Vow enabled because you need to forge bonds with a few characters, and one needs you to ||beat Rivals 3 on the Surface||

[jovial zodiac]

Genuinely so annoying how the first thing after doing the mission to do that is another mission to do that

[vivid flare]

It'll come after you do that

[jovial zodiac]

... Oh good Lord
I find prom harder than typh that's gonna be hell 😭

[proven gazelle]

Yeah clear 1 surface run and uw run, play with rivals 3, then just throw nectar at who the prophecy mentions

[vivid flare]

Short version is "keep an eye on the Fated List"

[jovial zodiac]

So I don't gotta ambrosiamax anyone

Thank God trying to court even just Eris has been a pain 😔

[proven gazelle]

No you do, just nectar is easier to type

[jovial zodiac]

Oh no 😨

[proven gazelle]

||hecate needs like 3 lmao||

[jovial zodiac]

I already hated her bcos of the ending cutscene

[latent karma]

Ambrosia gets easier when you somewhat consistently win runs, if only because you'll have enough bones to buy it from the broker.

||Kitty can help with that||

[jovial zodiac]

Yea but I never choose bones over something useful like a heart

[jovial zodiac]

Which one

DD cat or the useless cat

[latent karma]

DD cat

[jovial zodiac]

Ah yea I love her sm 💜

[latent karma]

Makes more fish appear and catches them for you -> more bones -> more ambrosia from the broker

[proven gazelle]

Tfdym useless cat 😭

[jovial zodiac]

Btw does she give better fish than you get yourself?

[proven gazelle]

Toula is the useless cat, gale is just better 🥀 polecat my beloved

[vivid flare]

No, she just skips the minigame and makes it spawn more

[kindred quiver]

Isn't Gale a chipmunk or something?

[vivid flare]

Gale is a polecat

[jovial zodiac]

Most sane strength user

[vivid flare]

Which is a type of mustelid

[proven gazelle]

I use death 🥀

[jovial zodiac]

NAUR

[jovial zodiac]

DEATH FANS CANNOT BE DISSING TOULA

[proven gazelle]

3 blocks a region + dodge chance is worth more than a dd

[jovial zodiac]

TOULA IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR

[proven gazelle]

When gale blocks an 80 damage hit they immediately become more valuable than toula

[latent karma]

||The only reason for me to ever use Death was bc I was using Toula for bones, otherwise I've only ever used Strength lmao||

[jovial zodiac]

What's her dodge chance.
And if you haven't unlocked upgrades yet then toulas just better

[proven gazelle]

6%

[latent karma]

Also isn't anything regarding ||familiars|| considered a spoiler in this channel? It's "post-Erebus" technically, no?

[jovial zodiac]

It's only a 40% health buff, death + TOULA + circe toula+ tooth means your unkillable

[proven gazelle]

You can get them before leaving erebus

[jovial zodiac]

I figured new meant pre-first victory

[proven gazelle]

No?? 3 blocks a region dawg 😭 that's gonna add up to more hp saved than a toula dd unless you use it all on like 2 damage enemies

[latent karma]

Strength is not a 40% health buff. It's a 40% damage reduction, which is mathematically equivalent to a 66.7% health buff.

[jovial zodiac]

3 blocks a region is like maybe 45 damage

[proven gazelle]

._.

[lapis cloak]

Toula would be really good if the DD she gives you didn't heal for almost nothing

[jovial zodiac]

Ok wait lemme flarify

[jovial zodiac]

I play fearless im talking about whose better without fear

[lapis cloak]

Raki

[proven gazelle]

Its still gale

Yeah raki too

[jovial zodiac]

Wtf does raki even do

[proven gazelle]

4% crit

[lapis cloak]

Crit chance

He marks enemies

[jovial zodiac]

💔 it's four percent

[latent karma]

Crits are tripple damage in this game icymi

[proven gazelle]

It triggers more than youd think

[latent karma]

So it's an 8% damage buff to everything.

Multiplicatively, if you don't have other crit sources

[jovial zodiac]

Counterpoint
Extra death defiance
Idk I barely ever use toula DD it's mostly just comforting seeing 6 death defiances

[proven gazelle]

10hp dd 🥀

[jovial zodiac]

What

Isw it's 90

[proven gazelle]

I dont have toula upgraded lol since she sucks unless youre on supay

Still, gale is much more safe and more effective hp and raki is more damage

[jovial zodiac]

It's like phase 3 ||Chronos|| except for ||Typhon|| you can just stare him in the face and spam left click without dodging and he dies

[jovial zodiac]

I don't either it's still 30 HP no

[proven gazelle]

Thats still nothing 😭

[jovial zodiac]

Most of the time when ur getting hit it's for under 20 damage

[proven gazelle]

Uh huh and gale blocks 12 times over a run

So even if it's only 10 damage blocks thats 120 hp

[jovial zodiac]

🥺 it's still a death defiance
Ive gotten too used to Hades 1 with death defiance turning you into god himself

[jovial zodiac]

That's nothing bcos it's over the entire run
On 0 fear there are no difficult locations, only 2/3 hard bosses

[kindred quiver]

Raki is also arguably the best familiar for Circe staff

[jovial zodiac]

And even then it's only 1/2 hard bosses depending on surface or hell

[jovial zodiac]

Melinoe twin dagger PEAK

[proven gazelle]

Ok then cool now you have 3 blocks for the bosses like chronos who deal 30+

[jovial zodiac]

IDC if it's the worst in the game I love it it's mine

[jovial zodiac]

... Yeah assuming you hitless everything
The other rooms are easy because your passive Regen is stronger than their damage

[proven gazelle]

Like you cannot argue toula is safer than gale 😭 its just wrong even at 0 fear

Plus its 0 fear just use raki

[jovial zodiac]

If you have Max level toula it is safer assuming you don't get rly good luck with when you proc dodges and the blocks

[lapis cloak]

0 fear it's raki always

[jovial zodiac]

Idk where he is... And does raki work for on hit effects like splash

[lapis cloak]

And strength

[jovial zodiac]

Or for status like steam or scorch

[kindred quiver]

Frinos - best for new players/early game

Toula - For the Death Defiance Diehards

Raki - All around solid choice with the most damage potential

Hecuba - Best for heavy magic dependent builds

Gale - Best for high fear and also an all around good choice\

[jovial zodiac]

Who TF is genuinely using frinos

[proven gazelle]

Wdym good luck the blocks are guaranteed 😭

[kindred quiver]

early game and new players -_-

[lapis cloak]

Frinos is pretty helpful with strength

[proven gazelle]

And also that 6% dodge chance from gale will save some hits too

[jovial zodiac]

That's me
Frinos still sucks

[kindred quiver]

Health is good especially when you dont have Persistence and/or Centaur at max level

[jovial zodiac]

At the point you unlock him you DEFINETLY have persistence lv1 and at that point you don't even need frinos

[kindred quiver]

Also, you need a ton of psyche early game

[jovial zodiac]

He gives like, one centaur heart

[lapis cloak]

Legit

[jovial zodiac]

😅 I only started using psyche after beating summit guardian

[jovial zodiac]

My runs were so scuffed

[kindred quiver]

He gives 40 hp

[jovial zodiac]

Wow less than 2 hearts...

[lapis cloak]

It's still okay with strength

And he can eat hecate curse ball cause he's just goated like that

[kindred quiver]

Two heart rooms that now can be skipped in favor of boons or money

[jovial zodiac]

Hecuba curse ball?

[jovial zodiac]

Money for what buying health...

[kindred quiver]

They meant Hecate

[jovial zodiac]

I'm stupid

I HATE THAT BALL SO MUCH

[kindred quiver]

boons???

[lapis cloak]

Yeah Hecate I'm dumb

[kindred quiver]

Freudian Slip

[jovial zodiac]

I always bum rush Hecate so I always get slapped point blank by the curse

[jovial zodiac]

Buy both you get enough money anyway

[lapis cloak]

I mean it's easy to avoid regular curse ball but on rivals that thing can be nasty sometimes

[jovial zodiac]

What's the rivals for ||Chronos?||

I've seen vids of the surface guardian (looks horrible...) but not hell

[proven gazelle]

||a 3rd phase, ads having armor, miniboss in p1, and slightly changed moveset||

[jovial zodiac]

... What

I thought rivals was meant to be 2 bosses

[proven gazelle]

No rivals is just harder

Actually ||rivals p3 is the same p3 as the ending just you don't get infinite dds obviously||

[lapis cloak]

i think he doesn't use the full moveset on the ending

I don't remember he using clonos and I took a while to beat him cause I was trying to listen to the dialogue 😭

[jovial zodiac]

I saved up 3.3 thousand mora to buy kisses from charon for that fight
I had five dds. FIVE.
And they have the audacity to give me infinite more

[jovial zodiac]

He uses clonos, I spent like ten minutes because I wanted to let my duo boon summoned minion do all the damage

[kindred quiver]

should probably move the conversation to #h2-discussion

[tidal moss]

Not fun

[eternal mica]

I have an icon at the end of my magik meter that lights up but I'm not sure what it means, I'm wearing the aspect of nyx, any help?

[kindred quiver]

It's showing you how much time you have left in nightspawn mode

[tidal moss]

That's your nightspawn timer, shows you if it's activated and how long it's active for

[eternal mica]

and if it's active I just have to attack and it triggers

[tidal moss]

Yep

[eternal mica]

Man I gotta get better at ||typhon|| I used 4 DD

-_-

[gray spire]

Frinos is very much an excellent early-game Familiar.

There doesn't seem to be a great sink for Psyche after the player's maxed out their Grasp unlike Bones. Even if the player still likes the passive projectile shield & increased , they may still want to switch to Gale, Raki, or Hecuba for whichever reagents/greeneries they're currently wanting.

[median pike]

Frinos cast is enough to make such a good cast build

If you do it right
Scortch cast + demeter cast gust + Athena cast damage + 30% damage in casts card + 50% damage if foes have 2 curses
This cast build is so good with frinos

[tidal moss]

What does frinos have to do with cast

[proven gazelle]

dont tell me youre using frinos on circe 🥀

[gray walrus]

frinos circe in the big 2025 ain't no way

it's either raki gale or toula no exceptions

[median pike]

Frinos circe got me through very good runs atleast what I call my runs good rn

[proven gazelle]

😭 use literally any other familiar

hes the worst since you cant determine what hes doing at all

[sturdy shale]

i use frinos for everything, mostly because he blocks hecate hex and i can't be bothered enough to change familiars

[tidal moss]

This is the way

[golden cedar]

I got hades 2 yesterday

[gray walrus]

nice

[golden cedar]

Yes

[jovial zodiac]

Hey I mean if you killed him you killed him

Not like there's anyone after him to save dd for

[serene pilot]

Any wiki page that shows how to unlock characters bonds

[rustic hinge]

which ones specifically are you confused about

[serene pilot]

Like nemisis i have one romance heart with her but she's not responding much for 4 night by now

[rustic hinge]

i think i remember her being stubborn, just keep talking to/gifting her

[weak mantle]

You usually just need to gift and talk to them once the trust is deepened and heart unlocked, she's not taking any more gifts?

[serene pilot]

Yeah she's not by now and her dialogue seems like nothing important

oh she just... started to accept after this run

[weak mantle]

Also if she only has things that activate an event, ||ambrosia, lures, salts||, then she won't take any of that if you've done one of those things with someone else already that night

[serene pilot]

Yeah I found that out because i was giving hecate and oddyseus before her and she doesn't take it when i does that

[jovial zodiac]

How do you deepen Eris' trust? ||It says vaguely beat her a lot of times but it's been like 10 times and still nothing 😔||

[weak mantle]

You've given her all the gifts you can? Is she still giving you new dialogue? If she's giving you new dialogue then you probably just have to keep talking to her. Also make sure you've ||picked up at least a few pieces of trash||

[hushed peak]

What’s like a build a can use with my moonstone axe I’ve only ever made it to Scylla once most the time I just get clobbered by a school of fish or a rat before I can get back to her

[tidal moss]

Apollo attack, hestia special, use dash strike and special only

Also have your cast down 100% of the time

[proven crow]

first rule of hades 2: ABC
(always be casting)

[solemn bone]

what are the best keepsakes cuz im using luckier tooth but i need to stop relying on death defiance

[tidal moss]

pin, antler, olympin keepsakes

fang and vones are godd too

[vivid flare]

Engraved Pin

It's like Tooth but better in literally every way

[solemn bone]

who gives me it

[vivid flare]

Moros

[solemn bone]

alright thank you

[desert silo]

note that antler is generally high risk high reward
very good if you're confident you don't need a lot of health

pin is best used when you're not confident you'll survive

[vivid flare]

Or just used even when you are but want 10 seconds of monke mode

[jovial zodiac]

Yeah I've been picking up after her but all the new dialogue is her complaining about ||the war ending||

[robust cosmos]

how do you get the hidden aspects?

[quick fiber]

LVL 5 on a non Mel aspect the talk to the NPC that has a weapon aspect of the same weapon

[robust cosmos]

oh ok thanks 🙂

[tidal moss]

Metal being correct for once?

History has been made

[quick fiber]

you

Im never wrong and always right

[robust cosmos]

Time to grind aspect of Moros then

[quick fiber]

OOOOO good pick

I prefer Eos but moros is a good choice

[robust cosmos]

It just feels the most like a hades 1 weapon

[strong solar]

I legit like both moros and eos lol

[robust cosmos]

My favorite aspect in the first game was hera for the bow

[strong solar]

I would disagree moros is super technical to play

[quick fiber]

I'd argue black coat is the most h1 like Aspect

[quick fiber]

Real

[robust cosmos]

the reason why I said it's like an aspect from hades 1 is because one of the aspect for the maulers (ICR the name right now) has it's special boosted by it's attack where moros is the same but reversed

[tidal moss]

Medea

[quick fiber]

Demeter

[strong solar]

oh I consider it technical because it needs a ton of mana management in addition to positioning since you are always at midrange

[robust cosmos]

fair

[lapis cloak]

The most H1 aspect is any blades as long as you get trick knives

[robust cosmos]

???

[strong solar]

I........acutally cant remember too much of H1 gameplay now hot damn 😂

[quick fiber]

You right you right

Dash strike go brrrr

[lapis cloak]

Its usually dash strike

[robust cosmos]

oh

[lapis cloak]

That's why I said trick knives

[strong solar]

I never even knew that, LMAO

[robust cosmos]

never used the sword much outside of the hidden aspect

[strong solar]

I only played till the final ending and few sub-10 heat runs

[lapis cloak]

Fair

Sword was my favorite, really like nem aspect

[quick fiber]

Sword was goated but shield bow and maulers have my heart

[robust cosmos]

bow, spear, and rail have mine. I love ranged stuff

[arctic panther]

I just jumped from H1 to H2 and oh my. I miss my old weapons

[shy zephyr]

the new ones are pretty good too, you'll get used to it

[arctic panther]

Is there somethin similar to sword or spear from H1?

[vivid flare]

Staff

Except unlike the sword, the staff is actually good on all 4 Aspects

Though if you liked Excalibur, then you'll probably like the axe

It's like Excalibur with tech

[kindred quiver]

Momus is meh compared to the other aspects

[kindred quiver]

The axe is kind of like Excalibur

[vivid flare]

I mean, it's still good, it's just that the other staves are 3 of the top 4 weapons

[kindred quiver]

Yeah. But out of all weapons I’d say Momus is mid tier

It’s a shame that a ton of boon effects don’t work with the turrets

[lapis cloak]

Momus is mid tier in terms of strength but top tier in terms of fun

I like it

[kindred quiver]

I’d like it more if it did exact copies of your attacks and specials

[inland palm]

is thanatos axe any good?

[vivid flare]

Quite

There are no bad axes

[arctic panther]

I cannot get used to fighting in this one. I thought it will be easy Chronos kill, but I can't pass hekate xD

[vivid flare]

Well, two things I recommend. First, turn on auto-sprint. Second, don't try and spam dashes like you're Zag

[kindred quiver]

Hay part of Hecate do you struggle with specifically?

[nova kiln]

kinda weird question but does the soundtrack for hades 2 have any spoilers

im adding the soundtrack to my playlist but i wanna make sure that theres no weird spoiling thing in the music

[kindred quiver]

You’re good. Most songs don’t have lyrics and the ones that do don’t spoil anything.

[nova kiln]

okay thx :p

[kindred quiver]

If you want, remove the song “Time Belongs to Us.”

It plays during the end credits, so maybe you want to remove it if you want to experience it for the first time in game

[nova kiln]

ahhh okay

i'll do that, thanks for the suggestion

[kindred quiver]

No problem!

[vivid flare]

The credits song is in there, yes, as are some things that might spoil you about fight mechanics for the Vow of Rivals (Extreme Measures equivalent) boss fights

[kindred quiver]

I think the only other songs with lyrics are ones Artemis sings in the Crossroads and the ones Scylla and the Sirens sing

If you want to remove the song that only plays during Scylla’s rivals fight, remove, “Rock and a Hard Place.”

[lapis cloak]

yes

[vivid flare]

As well as the area theme that leads into it, "Song of the Isles"

[kindred quiver]

But yeah I think those are the only songs with lyrics that can potentially be spoilers

[vivid flare]

||Also both Father of All Monsters versions||

[kindred quiver]

||Are those just Typhon fight music?||

[vivid flare]

Mhm

But the title gives away who you're up against

[kindred quiver]

I guess. But if he goes to remove them he’d get “spoiled” anyway lol

[waxen island]

Whats the best attack boon for aspect of medea

[proven gazelle]

Hera

[vivid flare]

Wounds or Aphro

[latent karma]

Does Medea charged special trigger Static Shock once or twice?

[kindred quiver]

I assume each of the wave projectiles during the omega can trigger it

[latent karma]

You're talking about Persephone

I meant the one where you can charge an attack into the special

[kindred quiver]

Medea and Mel special has the waves too. They just arent as big

[latent karma]

Ah right

But no I was talking about charge as in charging an attack into the special

[kindred quiver]

ohhh

Well I think each skull explosion counts as it's own hit + the hit from the special. And each should inflict blitz

[latent karma]

Aight

[vivid flare]

Twice, once for the Special hitting and once for the Attack going off. Much like how it triggers Cardio Gain twice

[pale sage]

do I just slide x to y when using ||aspect of medea|| or do I have to spam x first before y

[vivid flare]

You don't pull more than 1 pin at a time

So yes, alternate attack and special

[proven gazelle]

the former, you deal more damage if you spam attack and special rather than attackx4 into special

[pale sage]

oh, that makes sense, thanks

I get a bit confused at videos using it

[vivid flare]

You're also not rooted in place like you will be if you pull all the pins

[latent karma]

It's unlike the charge-aspects in H1, bc the attack has a casting time when loading in

In H1, you can just insta-load all your casts and are only limited by the speed of your button-presses (which can be quite fast if you bind to mouse wheel)

[pale sage]

was that the aspect that uses the cast to the weapon, I forgot which hades 1 weapon it was

I think it was the sword one

[vivid flare]

There were 3 of them

[latent karma]

No it was Bow and Shield

[vivid flare]

Poseidon sword, Hera bow, Beowulf shield

[latent karma]

Sword wasn't load, but it was also a cast-focussed aspect

[tall kernel]

Explain how to best use shield on the coat. I’m struggling to have it block consistently? Do some things not blockable or is its hit box small?

Also why can’t I hold it but I can hold the stupid omega special indefinitely? If I was to pick which one to hold it would’ve been the shield.

[vivid flare]

Explain how to best use the shield on coat

Trick question, you don't

[latent karma]

You can't hold the shield because that's kinda broken (see: Hades 1, where the shield was long considered the only viable weapon for highest heat)

[tall kernel]

The omega special makes it seem like things are locked in, but they end up shooting about as accurately as a stormtrooper.

[tall kernel]

That’s why I liked the shield in a single player game. Durrr. Why can’t I have nice things?

[vivid flare]

Between the myriad unblockables and the fact it'll fire off automatically, it's really not worth using as a defensive button

[vivid flare]

They're locked on, but the missiles like taking the scenic route

[vivid flare]

TBF, wasn't the reason it was considered the only viable option because of its damage output rather than because of the blocking?

[pale sage]

there's a shield on the jetpack?

[vague portal]

this game is so much harder than the first 😭

[proven gazelle]

Oattack puts one in front of ya yeah

[pale sage]

interesting

[vivid flare]

The OAttack can block some hits

[pale sage]

I wonder why jetpack is relatively low on most tier lists I've seen so far

[vivid flare]

It's very bad

[pale sage]

while the shield in h1 was high tier iirc

[vivid flare]

Awkward to play and the damage isn't great

[vague portal]

what's the best weapon to use when starting

[pale sage]

it does have mobility though the h1 shield

[vivid flare]

The one you find enjoyable

[pale sage]

the torch I think

iirc torch gave me my first win

[vague portal]

getting my ass kicked the way i am, none of them xD

[latent karma]

The biggest deal arguably is being able to hold shield indefinitely.

[vivid flare]

You'll improve a lot more by learning a weapon you actually like than you will by following the meta you don't even have access to yet

[latent karma]

Plus Zeus and Beowulff shields are just broken in their own rights.

[pale sage]

oh so you can't do that on oattack for jetpack

[latent karma]

Exactly

[vivid flare]

Yeah, Coat will fire off about a second after you fully charge it

[pale sage]

sad

how about the sprint

whar does it do besides very fast movement

[vivid flare]

TBH, you should almost never be using Coat Oattack if you're not playing the hidden Coat

[pale sage]

there seems to be a force field of soets when yoy sprint with jetpack

[vivid flare]

Sprint is sprint

It makes you sprint
When sprinting, you'll do things if you have a sprint boon

[pale sage]

yeah but I'm talking about the jetpack

[latent karma]

The jetpack makes your sprint faster, that's it.

[pale sage]

I guess it's just a very fast sprint

[latent karma]

There's one aspect of the Jetpack that has an additional bonus on top, but you'll notice when you see it.

Don't wanna spoil

[pale sage]

I kind thought it makes you impervious though maybe not

[pale sage]

the hidden one or ||nyx||?

[latent karma]

There is a Hermes boon that does that (blocks one instance of damage while sprinting), you might've seen that in videos.

[latent karma]

the later

[pale sage]

I might have that boon on that one run with jetpack

and confused it with innate

ngl, I have fewer preferences for weapons for this sequel

in hades 1 I liked all the weapons

[vague portal]

i liked every weapon except the rail. never got one full run with it. just couldn't enjoy it or get it to work

[pale sage]

though tbf, I just got all the resources I need for ||ending incantations||

[pale sage]

I thought it's fun

makes the game feel like a shooter

[tall kernel]

My preference usually behind certain aspects. There is a staff that’s really run, a torch that’s really strong, and skulls almost all are fun to me. And the cast based axe is super fun.

[pale sage]

because it is at that point

[tall kernel]

Wish the daggers were more like a mix of the fists from hades 1 and the torches, where you can hold for rapid attacks and the last attack is an omega.

[pale sage]

axe feels awkward to me, I only used it once and it did not go well, though I was able to handle arthur sword

[vague portal]

i like the axe because big weapon go swiiing

[tall kernel]

The one axe doesn’t play like an axe at all

[pale sage]

||thanatos|| or hidden?

[vague portal]

but also the weird ranged thingy is fun. i can't remember the weapon names lol

[pale sage]

I just say what they look like lol

[vague portal]

i can't really remember. i only started today

well last night. about 24 hrs

[pale sage]

staff, communist daggers, torch, skull, axe, and ||jetpack||

[vague portal]

JETPACK??

[pale sage]

oh my bad

[vague portal]

what even is this game

[vivid flare]

You are the only person I've seen call the Coat the jetpack

[vague portal]

uh it shot blue projectiles and every third(?) shot was a blue wave that took magick

[pale sage]

it does look like one, plus the sprint makes it work like one

[vivid flare]

That'd be the torches

[vague portal]

they're the ones ive got furthest with

[tall kernel]

||Charon||

[vague portal]

pretty fun

[pale sage]

oh, that one's interesting to use

haven't tried it yet though

[vague portal]

guess ill stick with them since they're the only ones ive passed ||Scylla and all them|| with

[vivid flare]

Big tip for the Axe, BTW: the Special is an animation cancel. And also will make your Attack combo start over

[vague portal]

any tips for the ||swarming fish things|| they keep draining my health

[vivid flare]

Have good AoE, use your Cast

[pale sage]

tysm, that makes it alot easier, because axe makes me feel so vulnerable

[vague portal]

cast?

there's like 4 abilities idk their names yet

[pale sage]

I used to have this problem with scylla cuz I can't burst as fast as I could now

[vivid flare]

I really hope someone makes a mod that replaces the spawning SFX for Oceanus enemies to "you know what that means: FISH"

[pale sage]

if you use gamepad, its the B button

maybe A if on switch

[vague portal]

oh the big circle?

[pale sage]

yeah

that one slows/traps enemies

[vague portal]

yeah ive been trying but they still get me. meanies :(

[pale sage]

and if you have the arcana, your attack and special deals more damage

[vague portal]

they're like the numbskulls but 10000% worse

[pale sage]

true because they're a swarm now

cast usually gives breathing room

[vague portal]

i also feel like the waves are longer in this game

but maybe im just worse lol

also should i be saving nectar? cause im just throwing at whoever i find

[pale sage]

what you're doing is optimal