h2-for-new-players

[broken cliff]

but idk if it stacks between hexes/locations/regions

[broken cliff]

also what "master enough nocturnal arms" means for ||schelemeus bond||

[dense anchor]

upgrade as many weapon aspects as you can

either that or ||keep killing your bounties with the fear requirement||, not too sure. but it's most likely upgrading weapon aspects

[tall kernel]

can someone explain to me how medea is good, if she's ever good? Her nightly hex's don't seem worth it over more boons or even minotaur hearts.

[tight gale]

It’s a super fast room for if you do high fear/timer, other than that shes amazing if you have a magick aspect/build with the +5 every encounter. The 50% armor is just generally helpful and the 1-999 damage gets rid of barriers. -40% projectile is what I usually go for if I don’t get any of those, and the -15% on dd can be good with certain builds (Athena dd, death arcana, moros keepsake, then get all of those for final phase rivals typhon as an example)

[vivid flare]

• Traces of Spirit basically negates Vow of Hubris
• Corrosion on Sight is fantastic for armored enemies since it bypasses Wards
• Suffering on Sight is -1 Wards
• Enfeeblement of Cowards works on a lot more than you think (the Simon Says game, for instance)
• Malice in Kind
• Wealth from the Dead is alright for money income
• And the rest are kinda mediocre but never terrible

[tall kernel]

i guess I haven't started playing with those fears yet. I've never had a problem with the simon says game

[wise knoll]

It’s also just a free timeless room, which is nice if you’re playing on Time 3 especially

[shy zephyr]

win a run with every aspect

[shy zephyr]

why are you mentioning malice in kind, it's horrible

[vivid flare]

Part of the joke with that list format is that you have nothing good to say about a certain thing, so you mention it and move on

[fierce hull]

when I play, I keep dying and damage get low so I'm trying to hit the monster and still get killed idk where the placeI am so what should I do

[serene laurel]

What enemy do you keep dying to?

[upbeat obsidian]

Any recommendations for someone still early on
I'm failing hard at the scylla

[serene laurel]

Do remember that dying is an important part of hades: every death means more story and dialogue, and more chances to upgrade your gear for next time. You should be dying a lot! Though, if you don’t enjoy that, there’s no shame in activating god mode in the settings. The more times you die in succession, the more damage resistance you’ll get to help you make it through. Great for people who want to focus on story!

[fierce hull]

idk tbh bc I just started playing the game

[fierce hull]

actually I died 4 times

lol but I'm stronger getting stronger but I die at same place of the monster

[serene laurel]

Keep going! It takes some people dozens upon dozens of nights to get to the ending, but the game is made to provide an interesting experience no matter how long you take. I believe in you!

As for some general, beginning advice:

-as compared to hades 1, you only have 1 dash, along with a sprint. You’re rewarded for playing smartly.

-because of this, don’t forget about your cast! Even if you don’t have a boon for it, dropping down the regular version of it will slow down enemies in the circle. Great for quick escapes!

-experiment! You’re at the fate’s whims for now when it comes to deciding what boons you’ll get during a run, so you’ll have to try lots of different combinations. The staff is great for that- works with almost anything!

[fierce hull]

I didn't play hades 1

but thank u for the advice

[serene laurel]

Let me (or anyone else here) know if you need anything else!

[fierce hull]

i will thank u!

[serene laurel]

There’s some great (albeit slightly outdated) guides online, but in general…

||always go for the drummer first! She stays still, and once you have her out, the other two become a lot easier.||

||be careful about phase 2, because of the featured artist! One of the band members will become significantly stronger. While I would recommend taking them out first because of this, keep your distance when the phase starts so you know what they’re trying to do.||

||your dash has invincibility frames! If there’s an area attack appearing under you, try to sprint when it goes off. Like a rhythm game! Even if you’re still on top of it, you might avoid the damage.||

[upbeat obsidian]

Also normal enemies and the hazards in stages get me a lot but I guess that's just something to get used to

[serene laurel]

The hazards in Oceanus suck. A lot. The steam traps make a loud noise before they go off, so be aware of that!

Oh, and try to have some sort of ranged option in your build so you can get the enemies lurking in the water before they move (and it’s great for the boss)

[upbeat obsidian]

i tend to prefer builds that allow me to be ranged in the first place
like the torches are kinda fun, if mana hungry
dont much like the staff
skull seems interesting but i dont think i can get bronze yet xD

[serene laurel]

The torches are great

All of the weapons are pretty nice, just preference

[upbeat obsidian]

yeah ive been tryna figure out which god keepsake would be best with em
i like aphrodite for her gain but also like
needing to be close kinda defeats the point
maybe the flame granny? Her gain is also insane i just dunno about burn

[serene laurel]

Torches are great with flat damage boons (since they don’t have a lot of base damage without ||an aspect||) - something like Zeus on the special, Poseidon or Hestia on the attack

[upbeat obsidian]

dont really vibe with the special fsr

[chilly pilot]

Does anyone have a list for what ||aspects|| should get what types of boons? (Special, cast, attack etc)

[twin hatch]

There's the guide from lee reamsnyder

[unique comet]

is this bugged? https://ibb.co/DfXD78Wm

[twin hatch]

Probably not, ||you're supposed to go kill chronos.||

[unique comet]

i've killed completed both underground and surface multiple times, have all weapons unlocked and several aspects

[twin hatch]

Yes.

[trail harness]

is there a guide for easy 32 fear setup for surface? just the fear stuff not the build or anything

[dense anchor]

I like this setup https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMSwxLDMsMSwzLDEsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDMsMCwyLDIsNV0=

if you're comfortable with ||unrivalled prom|| then you can reallocate from there

vow of forfeit is also not bad to choose (imo, I know some people hate it)

[waxen warren]

Guys I don't understand something about the oath of the unseen. Where it says "Conquer the Surface/Underworld" and then next to it there's a certain amount of fear, what does that mean? What happens if I beat the game with that amount of fear?

[dense anchor]

you unlock ||schelemeus' statues||

[waxen warren]

I see, was that explained anywhere and I missed it? At the beginning I thought that was the minimum amount to get nmare

[dense anchor]

yeah, ||shelemeus|| tells you about them

[waxen warren]

Got it, my fault then, thanks for explaining 🙏🏻

[dense anchor]

nws!

[upbeat obsidian]

Yall recon it would be worth just spamming ||surface|| runs without ||breaking the curse|| to try and get enough copper to unlock aspects

[wary night]

eh, imo not really
||you can get enough resources to break the curse in like... 1 surface run + 1 underworld run, 2 surface runs if you're unlucky||
so I'd focus on breaking it first, on my first save file I tried to spam runs to get bronze but it didn't really feel worth it

[vivid flare]

It generally boils down to what plays nicest with the way you're intended to play the aspect. For instance, a weapon that has a bunch of really small hits plays best with Poseidon or Hestia since those deal flat damage

[upbeat obsidian]

Honestly maybe I should try to beat the underworld but I rarely get past the sirens

Poseidon can get annoying with the knock back

[vivid flare]

As for cast choice, it's not super relevant which one you pick outside of the two Cast-focused aspects, and even those have multiple good options

So focus more for opening up Duos or Legendaries than strictly going for the biggest number with a Cast

[chilly pilot]

I see people say staffs are very good, but when I use them they feel weaker (I go less far) than skull and torch, gotta be that I'm building wrong

[tidal moss]

Yes

[pallid sparrow]

Sea Star best boon

[vivid flare]

They are very good

[zealous flame]

Is there any way to try to get the middle shop on ||Olympus|| other than using the dice card

I've been trying to fight ||zagreus|| again to get the keepsake|| but I've had no luck 😭

[wise reef]

Haelian showcases the staff pretty good in this video

https://youtu.be/9fTycvfRnrU?si=QL-ezQBYK6AQb9D3

[severe jetty]

guys, what do you do with ||scylla rival, it's harder than the final boss, even harder than extreme measures 4 was. I can't see anything on the screen, like 5 projectiles and aoes are tracking me at once, wherever I dodge I'm just hit every second and I can't even deal damage because of those projectiles||

[tidal moss]

Take out the tentacles in front of the drummer first

[wise reef]

Usually in a room u want to take out any projectile mobs. || Those tentacles will destroy u if u let em all shoot ||

[severe jetty]

I know that much, but even standing for 0.5 seconds makes me take damage. projectiles are tracking me, I've to run into the circle, or out of the circle while the tentacle is spamming attacks too

[wise reef]

Which weapon u using

[tidal moss]

Just practice, it's a really annoying fight you just gotta bang your head against a wall until you get it down

And also use a safe aspect

[wary night]

honestly it’s considered one of the top three hardest fights in the game so… don’t feel bad if it takes practice, it’s very rough

[severe jetty]

it's like I'm playing in "normal" mode and I suddenly get dropped into a 32 heat miniboss chamber 😐

[tidal moss]

Just stack health and bring dd's

[wary night]

hitch helps, and so does staying near the edges, and stuff like cast builds where you can deal passive damage while dodging.
you can also bait the tentacles into a melee attack then back away, then punish them after it

[severe jetty]

2x I've tried, lost all 4 both times

[tidal moss]

Oh god ok

What weapon are you using

[severe jetty]

tried the skull and the coat, I get cooked in 2nd phase every time

[tidal moss]

Try staff or torches

[severe jetty]

I always had bad runs with those. I don't get the build ruotes

[pallid sparrow]

I thought the torches would be ass but they have me on the longest run I've been on so far (Passed ||Cerberus||

[wary night]

torches are great! they’re just weird since they use magick more than any other weapon at baseline, so if you aren’t used to that mechanic they’re hard to make work

[pallid sparrow]

It's insane if you grab the Demeter boon that let's you get Magik on cast

[severe jetty]

I just did it, mostly tanking the hits with my most busted build so far. the baiting part helped a bit too, thanks! still lost 2 defiances. the build: skull with +2 shells, auto-recall, blitz attack, weak+freeze on cast. it's basically a machine gun 😮

[vivid flare]

Can shops even be rolled into?

[pine pendant]

How do you reset the seed after undo night

E.g I wanna roll for a starting boon

[vivid flare]

You don't

Not without a post-epilogue incantation

[pine pendant]

Oh i see

[vivid flare]

You want to reset seed, you gotta die first

[pine pendant]

I suppose there's no real downside to just dying

Just a bit time consuming

[split silo]

yep pretty much

[vivid flare]

Plus dying means you keep any materials and quest/dialogue progression

[sullen current]

really? I feel like rivals polyphemus is way harder, by the time I get to rivals skylla my build is usually pretty online

whereas I cannot dodge everything happening on the screen for polyphemus rivals and I get poisoned over and over

[wary night]

earlier some people were talking about this in #h2-discussion and most people agreed that polyphemus is one of the two easiest rivals fights! he's hard to get used to but once you do he's pretty free.
admittedly a lot of people running rivals are also playing with frenzy 2 on (and other vows like forfeit and debt which make it harder to get a strong build going), but rivals Scylla is a big bullet hell and hard to do consistently hitless even for very good players

[tidal moss]

I find it way easier to get my build up before him before vor sirens but that's just me

[slim spear]

I BEAT HIM

||for real this time||

||IT'S ZAGREUS! MY BOY I MISSED YOU I'M SO HAPPY||

hades 2 underworld path ending spoilers

[slim spear]

i have acquired the bath salts

WHY DOES NO ONE WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME TO THE HOT SPRINGS

real life simulator

[shy zephyr]

they still aren't that close to you

[slim spear]

||When do you unlock Athena and Ares||

||Because I know DAMN WELL they ain't remove Athena and Ares||

[shy zephyr]

||surface path||

though ||ares|| will take a good while

[slim spear]

So once you beat it

[shy zephyr]

not exactly, keep playing and you'll see 😉

[plain spear]

hi, what is the purpose of proclaim rank??

[shy zephyr]

resource dump for unemployed players 💯

[split karma]

Do I need to ||romance Moros in order to get the "Seek to know He Who Is Our Emissary" dialogue for the "Melione, Seek Us" Prophecy? ||||I abstained from romancing anyone until the job's done (for me it's basically just finding the Three Fates now) but I am not getting the dialogue for it.||

[hollow mirage]

Yes !

[shy zephyr]

i think you just have to get the dialogue, you shouldn't be forced to ||accept him||

[barren gust]

Heya was just wondering if y’all had tips for ||Rivals Eris|| as I’ve really been struggling to figure out a strategy for that fight.

[lofty nexus]

just shoot the mines from range the other attack is pretty stragihtforward

[sullen current]

I am playing with frenzy 2 on, maybe that’s the difference maker? it is just a lot to parse on the screen for me

[twin hatch]

||Most rivals fight are absurd on frenzy||

[wary night]

I think it def is just a matter off getting used to it! I'm also playing with frenzy 2 on

[split silo]

i would say even with frenzy 2, he’s of the easiest rivals fights, because you also have to keep in mind all the other fights also get an increase in difficulty with it

[sullen current]

I haven’t unlocked any of the fights past skylla/eris yet so maybe once I do I’ll feel differently

the end boss rivals look insanely hard when Haelian and Boat fight them in youtube videos lol

[tidal moss]

||Typhon isn't too much harder it's just longer, chronos can be brutal tho||

[pine gull]

should i sell all my fish at the broker or is there a spoilery reason for me to hoard them?

[wary night]

sell away! afaik nothing else to do with them

[echo egret]

Btw and this is odd to ask in the second game but do you unlock the better weapons after each other? Because I got the fire sticks after the dual knives but I like the dual knives more

Idk why but I fight better with them

[split silo]

Its all a playstyle preference, The order you unlock them isnt based on which weapon is better

[echo egret]

Oh, are there weapons that have advantages over some though or purely preference?

[wise knoll]

I wouldn’t say all weapons are exactly equal but are generally close enough together that a skilled player could clear high fear with any aspect and a new player could die with any weapon; the majority of difference comes down to playstyle

But as Six says, newer weapons are not always “better”, just different (for example, I have all aspects unlocked and maxed, but my favorite blades are still the starting ones)

[echo egret]

Ty Ty! I think I'll go back to my double blades. I'm very much a slash spammer and they're best

[wise knoll]

Yeah the different blade aspects all tend to favor at least some omega usage (Artemis likes omega attack, Pan likes omega special, and Hidden likes splashing in omegas consistently), so if you just want to spam fast attacks, default Mel is the go-to

(I’d still recommend getting into the habit of opening rooms with at least a single omega so that you activate Huntress arcana though, even if you don’t omega again the rest of the room)

[echo egret]

Sorry I'm a bit confused

[dense anchor]

the huntress arcana card makes your attacks and specials deal more damage when your magick is not full. if you don't have any magick regen abilities, then using an omega ability uses up some magick, which then activates huntress permanently for that encounter

[echo egret]

Okay I have the huntress card unlocked and equipped.

Thank you

[echo egret]

Got my first duo boon!

Right before a mini boss fight lol

[mystic copper]

[misty moat]

k so i am confused

im doing the true ending rn i just concoted the dissolution of monstrosity in the pot

do i do a underworld run or do i do a surface run

[vivid flare]

Your Attack and Special, not all

Huntress is just base moves

[split silo]

surface to progress the story further

[dense anchor]

oh yeah mb

[fierce hull]

yall am at the haunt on

oh damn

[waxen sleet]

How to open the inventory on the switch 2?

[fierce hull]

yall how can I revive my damage?

and am still stuck in erebus map ig idk I disnt focus on name

am in cross roads

[calm path]

post first victory thing ||can you get stardust from the 12 heat reward things in the underworld?||

[vivid flare]

Yeah, and also cookies

[fierce hull]

yall

guys

[proper coral]

What

[vivid flare]

What do you mean, "revive your damage?" You aren't providing any details

[proper coral]

Nice pfp btw

[fierce hull]

GUYS I WAS IN HECATE SHES ENEMY?

I WAS FIGHTING HER

[halcyon venture]

Bro was IN Hecate

[fierce hull]

mhm

death to chronos

[halcyon venture]

Death to Chronos

[rustic portal]

I have completed the main story and acquired all materials needed for the ||"End of dumbest slumber"|| to ||wake HYpnos up||, but it's not appearing in the cauldron. What am I missing here?

[fierce hull]

yesss

peak I can't get over it I keep dying

[halcyon venture]

Dying from what?

[fierce hull]

from every monster

not every but I died 3 times

from hecate and in erebus

idk wht to do I keep dying lol

[shrewd salmon]

thats the game

you play you die you get better so you die later until you win

[fierce hull]

ohhh well then , thank u for letting me know that

I hope to win!

[south ravine]

Need to speak to ||Medea on the surface || if I’m not mistaken

[fierce hull]

I can't get ride of hecate I keep dying from her

[tidal moss]

What part are you dying to? Whats your arcana setup? What weapon?

[fierce hull]

death to cronos

chronos*

[little dust]

Did you do the || first two wake up attempts ||

[stark leaf]

What exactly does the Aspect of|| Nyx|| do?

[tidal moss]

||gives your sprint an omega move||

[upbeat obsidian]

How come people say ||Aspect of Medea on the skull is broken?||

Sure it does a ton of damage out the gate, but it's fiddly and really hard to control so that I don't just dash into enemy attacks

[vivid flare]

||When you sprint, you charge up a crash that will double the hits of your Attack and Special for a bit||

[tidal moss]

Once you get good it becomes the best

[vivid flare]

That is why it's busted, because of the damage it does

[wary night]

it’s broken as in “in the hands of a skilled player it does the most damage the fastest”
but it’s not broken as in “even if you don’t know what you’re doing it feels stronger than everything else”
personally I kinda suck at it so it feels above average but not crazy, but that’s my skill issue rly

[upbeat obsidian]

I really like persephone on the skull

[vivid flare]

The mom slot machine is very fun

Especially combining it with one of the post-credits keepsakes for even more gambling

[upbeat obsidian]

One thing I really wanna make work is omega attack spam on the axe which just seems like my vibe
Don't have the fourth aspect yet tho which I gather is build around that

[tidal moss]

Ur gonna love hidden axe

[vivid flare]

Hidden axe isn't really built around any one move in particular, but it does have a very good OAttack build

[upbeat obsidian]

Speaking of things I don't have

My goldfish memory is making me really struggle with ||prometheus||
Any pointers? Pretty please?

[vivid flare]

Just keep in mind that much like momskull, hidden axe desperately wants its rank-ups

[vivid flare]

Focus on safe lanes and say them out loud

[upbeat obsidian]

As an alternative id recon thanatos
But needing to hit normal attacks for the crit chance is uh
I don't like the normal attacks xD

[vivid flare]

Eh, it's alright for Than, considering the attack speed boosts

You still want to reset the chain so you're not doing the slam, but it's workable

[hallow palm]

This is potentially going to be an incredibly nerdy comment, so I apologise in advance.

Big H1 PS5 player. Just picked up H2 on Switch (docked) today and couldn’t help but notice how difficult it is to read the boon descriptions.

The font size is incredibly small (on a 40” TV) and the tracking is so tight too, considering the font size! I was really surprised. Am I the only one?

[vivid flare]

Don't have much trouble with it on my laptop, so dunno

[hallow palm]

Fair enough. I was playing H1 just before playing H2 for the first time and I was taken aback by how different it felt to read the details. Maybe it’s colour contrast thing too? I’ll have to play more

[upbeat sedge]

i think hades 2 overall is darker than hades 1

you get used to it though

[upbeat obsidian]

Which gain do you usually use on Mel staff?

I tend to really like Aphrodite for the origination, but I dunno how well it keeps up Magick

[tidal moss]

I don't use omegas at all on the staff

[upbeat obsidian]

Though on the special itself I find I really like Apollo. The "stay close" part of Aphrodite is uh
Skill issue

[upbeat obsidian]

I happen to like omegas

[tidal moss]

Not worth using on staff 🤷‍♀️

[upbeat obsidian]

[waxen sleet]

How to use crescent pick? How to equip it?

[wary night]

*rarely worth using on 2/4 staff aspects, imo
charging an omega while a wave is spawning in can be nice since it's extra damage for free
and aspect of ||momus|| and ||anubis|| both like omegas
but the typical staff gameplay loop for everything but the hidden aspect is a lot of dash strike into special, generally, after you've done the gimmick of whichever aspect you're using

[signal bolt]

once u unlock it, it's a permanent passive ability u keep iirc

[fierce hull]

yall it's funny when hecate kept hiding from melinoe and lil melinoe kept finding her and get her lol

hide and seek game woah

[sullen current]

agreed, with the exception of omega cast for circe staff, can be very tasty

[upbeat obsidian]

dash strike to apply a curse i recon?

[wary night]

dash strike just because it's really strong
you can input attack and special basically at the same time and get very fast damage with decent range
the first max fear clear after 1.0 was with Mel Staff, and used a lot of dash strike spam

it's nice if you have a status cuse on your dash, but not every weapon wants to dash strike, it's just good on staff when you weave special in

[upbeat obsidian]

its just rather rapid inputs which messes with me, but ill try to implement that

[wary night]

I've found it pretty forgiving tbh? literally just dash + mash both buttons at once tends to work lol
altho I'm playing on keyboard and mouse, on controller it may be trickier

[wise reef]

U can always rebind certain inputs to make it easier. I do this with a few aspects

Usually i bind an attack or special to right bumper

If its a hard reach or i gotta spam it

[upbeat obsidian]

So from experimenting, it seems the special/dash strikes tend to miss
Prolly cause I don't let go of my stick or something

Maybe I'll just stick to my torches
Simplicity is good

[wise reef]

U dash strike > then special

So A+X same time then Y

Theres an aim assist by default. R ur dash strike missing or ur specials?

[upbeat obsidian]

Specials

[wise reef]

Weird, those track enemies

Wait im assuming u using staff this whole time for some reason

[vivid flare]

The conversation was about staff to start with, so it's not that unreasonable of an assumption

[wise reef]

Ok u are using The mel staff isnt an omega weapon just spam this dash-strikes n special

[wise reef]

Im very sleep deprived so i had to double check lol

[broken cliff]

ok so I got 2 aspects left to win a game with and I still don't know how to progress the ||hecate is holding something back and the learn more about the one who rebels against the gods thing||, can I get a light on these?

[split silo]

the ||hecate thing|| happens right after the epilogue

||for the rebels against the gods is that you have to encounter prometheus on the surface a few times until he talks about the fates||

[broken cliff]

I see, thanks

also, are valkyrie mode attacks counted as regular attacks or as omega attacks

[tidal moss]

Regular

[broken cliff]

so huntress bonus will be applied, nice

[chilly pilot]

||how do I get my first nightmare? I want to upgrade my aspects||

[tidal moss]

||testaments||

[chilly pilot]

Damn I wanted to get stronger to beat ||chronos and typhon|| , Ive fallen short a couple times

[tidal moss]

What weapon/builds are you going for

[thin swan]

Why did hades pom suddenly stop giving +3 boon levels in runs? It doesn't say inactive

[chilly pilot]

Usually ||medea, circe and the torch with the omega attack moonstone thing||

||medea is strong but really hard to avoid damage idk what I'm doing wrong||

[tidal moss]

What keepsakes did you take

[tidal moss]

Nah that's kinda how medea works lmao, circe is best

[thin swan]

it was the hades keepsake. Dont worry though I got it sorted!

[dense chasm]

which uw regions do chaos gates spawn in

[vivid flare]

All

Though I think ||Fields|| can only have it in the entrance room

[dense chasm]

even fields??

oh lol

same with ||tartarus|| i'm assuming?

[vivid flare]

Nah, that one should be any room

At the very least, I think it can spawn in any of the 4 regions there

First 3 for sure, though

[fierce hull]

when I'm hiting monsters , I get hit and getting slow can't run or walk away what should I do my damage getting lower

[tidal moss]

What?

[dense chasm]

i don't know how to unlock ||dora's last heart, it has a lock on it after the 3rd bath salt gift||

[vivid flare]

It requires doing her quest

Requires you to ||roll enough dialogue with her and Prometheus to get an incantation to show up||

[dense chasm]

i did that, it says there's a ||13th heart||

[toxic raptor]

||did you give her the incantation?||

||and if you did you have to stay talking with her until she’s comfortable about her past||

I’m not sure the exact amount of runs it would take but it’s at least 5+

[upbeat obsidian]

Not me shooting straight to gifting Nemesis as soon as I met her

[quick fiber]

i know what kind of person you are -._-.

[proper coral]

Tall women are pretty

[wise locust]

this is the game for you

[chilly pilot]

I see YouTubers always know which hecate is real, how?

[sullen current]

the voice lines usually I believe

[tidal moss]

Status effects, voicelines, and she's typically further away/moving

[sullen current]

ex they hear her voice line from the left of their headphones so she has to be on the left

[chilly pilot]

Ah the ol headphone buff, should probably start playing with them, status is a good tip too thx

[tidal moss]

I play without sound and I can still tell majority of the time so it's not a huge deal

[wise locust]

She's usually also the furthest clone

[faint silo]

Look for a speech bubble above her too when she is doing voice lines

[wise locust]

no dice, all three Hecates have that

[faint silo]

Really? I’ve only noticed it on the real one

[wise locust]

nah they all get it

[faint silo]

Damn

[quick fiber]

Mhm

[upper gate]

Is there a discount for the switch 2 version if you bought early access on steam?

[hard zenith]

i maxed out a non-melinoe aspect of a weapon, do i have to be using it while getting the hidden aspect phrase?

[split silo]

nope! you can use any weapon at the time of meeting the correct npc

[hard zenith]

great thanks

[little fossil]

Still missing 2 aspects and I'm a little confused. Guide i saw said || Charon gives axe, and Moros gives flames || but I've gotten the || true ending ||, relationship with || charon|| is maxed, and ||Moros|| isn't maxed but it's well along. I also have at least 1 aspect of each ||maxed out||. Am I missing something?

[pure summit]

Why did they change the Hermes design so much? Its looks fine all in all but it just doesnt look like Hermes

[split silo]

are they melinoe aspects?

[dense anchor]

yeah for ||hidden aspects|| to be unlocked, you need 5 ||nightmare invested into non-Mel aspects||

[little fossil]

perhaps, i'm now in the middle of a run and can't check

[little fossil]

ah okay, this guide is just wrong then. thanks.

[split silo]

is it from the wiki?

[dense anchor]

the requirements got changed in v1.0

[split silo]

if so, it is known to have a lot of outdated information

[little fossil]

no, IGN. it was just the first thing that popped up

[dense anchor]

any Hades 2 info source is likely outdated for a lot of things

[little fossil]

I've definitely noticed

what are the fear cutoffs for ||more nightmare drops||?

[split silo]

iirc its 1-2-4-8-10-12-16-20 per weapon

[twin hatch]

Just to be sure, the requirements are ||all weapons unlocked, all aspects for that weapon unlocked, and a non melinoe aspect of that weapon maxed.||

[little fossil]

ty

[pure summit]

Personally a lot of the new portraits are a bit of a downgrade but my god Charon looks good

[hollow mirage]

They left ||Nyx|| unchanged which is a tragedy

[upbeat obsidian]

am i odd for really liking apollo
apollo is good
simple

both in design and boon wise

[nimble dove]

I like apollo too!

underated imo

[vivid flare]

He's got solid cores, even if I think a lot of his T2s suck

[wise knoll]

Design-wise he’s quite attractive to me and is also voiced by Colin Ryan so bonus points there.

Boons-wise he’s not always the best to take but he’s rarely bad to take (and often quite good):

• % attack boost and reach is always welcome especially on big heavy hitting attacks
• Daze and some of his duos make for a surprising amount of extra survivability
• Particularly good with a lot of omega heavy aspects
  • gain is very consistently good and is straight up BiS for some aspects like Charon or Circe
  • legendary is very solid for omega spammers
  • good stuff for casts, both regular and omegas
• some really strong surprise/niche synergies such as light smite with the zeus/ares duo

Just generally quite solid I think

[upbeat obsidian]

OSpecial axe is fun
Running mel aspect rn but I got all the hammers for it and uh
It kinda slaps

[wise knoll]

Oh boy you’re gonna love Charon aspect that’s its whole thing

[upbeat obsidian]

I love the axe in general
Big numbers

[vivid flare]

Well, that and the OCasts

[upbeat obsidian]

I need more tickets for that, I tend to dump them all on ordering grasp or something

[calm path]

post-game story thing ||how does the last objective for meeting the fates work? do you just need to trigger doomed 3 chambers in a row and it doesn't matter if you get the healing or not? how many chambers should i clear before going for it?||

[wary night]

||iirc you need to trigger pin but then defeat all enemies and heal up twice, then die for real the third time. I healed three times then died on the 4th, but I’ve been told that isn’t necessary. you can also do this in a chaos trial to skip right to oceanus||

[upbeat obsidian]

you know, the moon nuke with enemies move slower, strikes twice and a ton of area up buffs is insanely funny

especially on OSpecial axe

[pallid sparrow]

Damn, ||Chronos phase 2 is different||

[thin stratus]

How do I aim with where my character is facing? I am currently using a keyboard and mouse setup.

[upbeat obsidian]

Damn, ||Typhon|| hits hard

any pointers on the guy
really felt like the slow way of ospecial axe was uh
less than optimal

[split silo]

stay under his face and you can ignore most of his attacks basically

||the only times you need to dodge out are when he does the chin slam (telegraphed by his chin glowing red) and the gusts attack

make sure to destroy the eggs ASAP when he spawns them||

[pallid sparrow]

Anyone know when the weapon buff that lets you get more bones refreshes?

[trail blade]

It only changes after a run.

Giving up will not replace it, ||altering fate|| will not replace it.

[thin swan]

Can someone help with Melinoe seek us please, only two have been ticked off for like 10 runs

[trail blade]

Make sure you have been advancing your bonds with:

||Moros||, ||Chaos||, ||Chronos||, ||Hecate||, ||Heracles||, and get the right dialogue with ||Prometheus||. If you need the last one, keep doing Chaos Trials in ||Olympus|| to reach him faster.

[thin swan]

Hmm okay, I definitely need to do the ||Prometheus|| one, I'll just keep working on bonds thanks. Do I need to find ||Heracles ||in runs? He's never in my base

[trail blade]

To the last one:
||Yes, you may also need to have advanced his relationship via doing Vow of Rivals 3 at least once on the Surface, I was above that relationship level when 1.0 came out so I can't say for sure.||

[thin swan]

Damn I haven't done VoR three yet, I only just completed two. Guess I'll work on 3 thanks

[trail blade]

Godspeed o7

[thin swan]

I cant progress Moros bond, says I need to talk more or do more prophecies, are there any specific ones I need to do?

[tidal moss]

No, just do more

[thin swan]

okay thanks

[upbeat obsidian]

whats a good challenge to start with? i kinda wanna upgrade ||charons|| axe

im thinking ||hordes|| maybe

[pliant quest]

If (and only if) you want to later push it higher a bit, Frenzy 1 to get used to it (I also find it fun)

As for better regualr recommendations, Shadow, Menace, Fangs 1, Time (1 is legit free, and 2 is also very easy)

[wary night]

how fast do you normally take to clear a run? maybe look at your end screen some time—the game pauses the timer a lot more than you'd expect, and chances are you're already going fast enough for timer 1 or 2 to be free

[pliant quest]

Denial is a weird one, not necessarily that hard but it changes how you approach things

[trail blade]

Bad idea.

[upbeat obsidian]

I rarely ever clear a run

[trail blade]

Time and Debt are way easier.

[upbeat obsidian]

But the ones I did, around 22 minutes

[wary night]

then timer 1 is very very safe for you!
maxing out the timer vow means you have 20 minutes total, so 1 or 2 ranks in it will be well above 22

[upbeat obsidian]

I mean on ||olympus|| I died like at the 30 minute mark

But topside is just generally hard to me xD

[trail blade]

Free fear, generally:

Timer - 36 and 28 minutes are basically free for anyone once you get comfortable.

Hubris - The small max magick debuff is not that bad.

Denial - Thinning your boon pool isn't that bad.

Menace - You should know how to deal with enemies from future regions

Return - Just collect orbs 4head.

Debt - Money is fake.

[pliant quest]

That Denial descriptions seems to be for Forfeit, which is pretty nasty, actually

[trail blade]

Oh you're right. I keep getting them mixed up.

[upbeat obsidian]

I'd been thinking I'd ignore the challenges until I can comfortably clear but I'm really enjoying ||charon|| axe rn

[wary night]

oh yeah actually agreed, Denial isn't too bad but 1 less boon per region is pretty rough if you're struggling, since it means you're weaker overall

[pliant quest]

I would also say, if they're not consistenly clearing, not to take Debt. More money means more boons, stats and charon well items, and that's how you get powerful

[trail blade]

I would recommend at least building out some of your Arcana board if you haven't done much.

The max level of Strength or Death alone is very nice.

[upbeat obsidian]

Actively working on it
Have to get more feathers if I remember correctly

[trail blade]

Oof yeah that grind can be rough if you're inconsistent in that area.

[upbeat obsidian]

It's either him of the boss before him that get me

Hell I've only seen ||typhon|| once

Though the ||Zeus cutscene|| was cool

I've also been considering upgrading my reroll arcana for more consistency

[trail blade]

Tips for those bosses:

||With Poly, really respect the space he controls. He also will do an attack where he's listening for you and if you attack him then you will take a rock to the face. If you're not comfortable dodging that, stop attacking.||

||For Eris, use the pillars! Get behind her! Breaking her line of sight makes her way easier.||

If you need some Arcana advice, I'd recommend a build like this:
https://imgur.com/pXFfYv0

You can replace Strength with Death at your leisure and can replace Lovers with Huntress + Swift Runner or Messenger.

[upbeat obsidian]

Now that you mention it, I'm really not benefitting from the huntress at all running charon axe with the Apollo gain

[trail blade]

Huntress wouldn't benefit it at all regardless since it only works on Attack and Special, not OAttack or OSpec.

[upbeat obsidian]

I mean you kinda have to do the regular special to do the OSpecial

[trail blade]

Generally, Attack and Special mean just the base version, while Attacks and Specials mean both.

[trail blade]

Well yeah but you're Charon axe you can be the entire room away and still room clear.

[upbeat obsidian]

I've also been tryna figure out a good boon path for that axe

Apollo gain is a given

But then I also tend to default to Apollo special, which kind of feels a mistake considering origination

[trail blade]

Apollo Gain + Any Curse Spec + Any Curse Cast.

[upbeat obsidian]

Also I really need to gift poseidon
I need his keepsake for his cast

I like his cast

But then I also like Zeus for putting my cast on top of an enemy

[trail blade]

Apollo gain used to be bad LOL.

[upbeat obsidian]

I mean Apollo gain with charon axe just seems like the most obvious synergy ever

[trail blade]

Apollo Gain used to require you standing in your cast when it expired.

[upbeat obsidian]

Usually on axe I just set up origination through aphro gain but that ain't an option

[upbeat obsidian]

That's a synergy with demeter strengthening your ocast if you stand it it right there

[trail blade]

Yeah but bad for actual mana regen :p

It limited your space control quite a bit.

[upbeat obsidian]

I could argue a case for hermes faster cast, demeter ocast boost and Apollo cast here but that still sounds kinf of painful

[trail blade]

Well the big reason you put down a cast is for crowd control because you wanna deal with all the stuff in it at range.

So being right in it....

[upbeat obsidian]

Which is why I love hestia, Zeus and maybe ||hades|| for their ranged casts

Though I don't like how ||hades|| cast sticks

Also
Who else here really likes the moon nuke
I like my moon nuke

[toxic raptor]

How do you get that thing where to can randomise your run?

The fate altered thing

[wary night]

after the epilogue
if you don't know what the epilogue is, ||follow the prophecies to do with the three fates||, and if they don't give you hints rn then you can't rly progress it yet afaik

[cunning tendon]

Do u mean the arcana?

[toxic raptor]

Alright yea I already got that prophecy I just have to finish it thanks

[toxic raptor]

Nah before you start a run you can go to the thing that increases the nightmare and press alter fate

So for example if I’m using fates whim and use duel pom and get the hades cast I don’t have to wait to die I can just press end night then “alter fate”

[cunning tendon]

Honestly i dont remember this i might have missed it

[toxic raptor]

Yea I watch boateds videos and he always does it before he starts a run

It just randomises everything

[upbeat obsidian]

Say, how do I get ||shadow|| for my last grasp point?

[wary night]

you should be able to brew it in the second tab of the cauldron menu

[upbeat obsidian]

Oh sorry I think I meant ||darkness||

Or something

Teardrop shaped thing

[wary night]

oh!
||resource from the chaos region, it's that region's equivalent of Moly/Lotus etc, gatherable||

[cunning tendon]

Im tryna get that too and idk how

[upbeat obsidian]

Ah yes
The area that only sometimes shows up, is a double edged sword and only potentially has a resource I like

Time to grind
And potentially brick my entire build for a couple encounters

[wary night]

if you have all familiars unlocked then ||Gale|| should increase the spawn chances
but yeah, it’s annoying to farm. iirc Moros may give it to you once as a gift via random dialogue, like how Odysseus sometimes gives you resources early on…? but idr and maybe that was an EA thing
good luck, either way

[toxic raptor]

Nah Odysseus doesn’t give that

||darkness||

[upbeat obsidian]

Dunno how to get ||gale|| tbh

I just have the frog dog and cat rn

[toxic raptor]

If you play in the underworld just get the thing from the well of Charon it makes you take no damage when going into the gate

[wary night]

no I know odysseus doesn’t give that, I was saying I remember Moros giving it similar to how Od gives some resources early on
but they may have removed that at some point

[toxic raptor]

He spawns in the fountain rooms in Erebus

[wary night]

last shop before ||prometheus|| is where that familiar shows up

[toxic raptor]

Oh dw I thought rocky

[upbeat obsidian]

Either way I dont even have treats rn

[toxic raptor]

Roky idk how to spell his name

[wary night]

also chaos is more common in UW so doing a surface run to unlock Gale isn’t very effective if you’re trying to get darkness

[toxic raptor]

Btw darkness is not that rare I feel like it comes in every 2-3 chaos gates for me

[upbeat obsidian]

Okay next question
How do I get more treats

[toxic raptor]

Second tab in cauldron

[upbeat obsidian]

Only got shadow there

[toxic raptor]

Is there an upgrade for your pets on the first tab

[upbeat obsidian]

Nah

[toxic raptor]

Have you talked to Hecate while having a familiar equipped

Like the dialogue before fighting her

[upbeat obsidian]

Yeah

Maybe I need to check again, maybe I missed it

[toxic raptor]

I’m pretty sure she gives you the recipe to make more treats so just stay talking to her

[upbeat obsidian]

To be fair I've mostly been doing surface runs to try and beat ||typhon||

I took that walloping he gave me pretty personally

[toxic raptor]

Yea I just looked it up there’s an incantation Hecate gives you that’s allows you to upgrade your pets once you do that incantation it allows you to craft treats

[upbeat obsidian]

Ah neat
Makes sense too, I'd recon I get that incantation once I have no more treats and ever since then I've just been going topside

[toxic raptor]

Nah just stay talking to Hecate I’m not sure if just talking to her in the crossroads gives you the incantation it could also be before fighting her

[cunning tendon]

Does ||Life tax let you restore health by dealing damage?||

[tidal moss]

Yes, 1 health per hit

[cunning tendon]

Sounds good i took it

[tidal moss]

It is quite good yes

[cunning tendon]

I have 364HP this run i hope i can win this time

Welp

[tidal moss]

Did you win?

[signal bolt]

isn't it technically ||1% of damage that ends up being 1hp anyway||

[tidal moss]

No clue

[toxic raptor]

||just beat rivals typhon first try using aspect of medea for the first time||

[copper depot]

can someone tell me what boon to pick

[tidal moss]

Context?

[copper depot]

i got 2 attacks but uses 5 mana, channel +30 mana better attack, attack has more range

its the hammer

[tidal moss]

What's the build

[copper depot]

witch staff

and i have flutter strike rn

[wary night]

I like mirrored thrasher the most out of those, but it needs a good source of magick regen to work. hestia's is best, but something like apollo is fine too
if you don't want to deal with that, then extra range is safe and fine 🤷
I strongly dislike anything which makes you channel extra magick into a move, since it slows down combat

[copper depot]

which does more dmg up close

[wary night]

I'm.... actually not sure if glamour gain can sustain mirrored thrasher? maybe
any other gods in your pool?

[tidal moss]

Flutter strike is pretty terrible on staff so mirrored is best

[tidal moss]

Not really

[wary night]

maybe with rarity and jpom, but yeah otherwise seems iffy. hestia and apollo are the main ones I play it with
also power surge is funny with mirrored thrasher lol

[upbeat sedge]

what if you are playing a run and somehow have +9 heroic glamour gain :^)

(i am not salty about that i swear)

[slim spear]

the greatest thing supergiant ever did was to give us the offerings diary

that details on what you need for duo boons

[wary night]

also being able to forget me not pin them is so nice, once you unlock that

[slim spear]

trueueue

[copper depot]

is vampiric cataclysm good or should i pick wicked thrasher

one gives 5 health per enemy defeated and the other gives +30 attack

[toxic raptor]

I mean unless your really struggling with your hp then the +30 attack is just better

[cunning tendon]

I lost that other attempt but yeah i won the next one

[tidal moss]

Yay

[cunning tendon]

I did ||chronos has 50% less reinforcements||

[cunning tendon]

||Now i need to go back there lmao||

Well im calling it a day lmao

[indigo wadi]

Is there a sign for NPCs who have been given nectar to get items from them? Because I always give nectar to NPCs and don't get anything.

[tidal moss]

Once you give an npc nectar once and get the keepsake you don't get anything else back

[indigo wadi]

So, is there no sign that I have given nectar to an NPC? Because I often forget which NPCs I have given nectar to?

[upbeat sedge]

Some npcs unlock fated list prophecies at 2 nectar

And there's sometimes a story related mission required to max out their bond

[indigo wadi]

have reccomend npc to max it first?

[wary night]

fairly early you'll unlock an incantation which lets you view how many gifts you've given each NPC in the book of shadows
"empath's intuition" I think it's called?

I don't remember the exact unlock conditions for it, but it shouldn't take long to get. it likely unlocks once you've given out enough nectar, but idk for sure
you can also just take a screenshot of your keepsakes to try to remember which you already have, if you want

[indigo wadi]

ok ok ty.btw just unlock to go surface.and got hit every moment.is there any item on future to stopping bleeding ?

[tepid plank]

An incantation will appear at some point after Mel mentions that to Hecate

[wary night]

have you met Moros yet, and brought him back to the crossroads?
iirc the incantation for that is given by him
so ||die on the surface after he's settled into the crossroads and you should get it||

[cursive prairie]

Yes keep going

[last swan]

How do I unlock the fourth aspect for each weapon?

[vivid flare]

None of them, you want to spread your Nectar around to get a bunch of keepsakes first

[vivid flare]

||Unlock all 3 base aspects||, ||invest 5 Nightmare in the weapon||, ||talk to a specific NPC for each||

You can't get more than one unlock per run and torches can't be first

[wary night]

yeah I agree with strength (idk what nickname to call you lol, TPNSA...), imo the priority is

1. one nectar to everyone for keepsakes
2. a second nectar to NPCs who give boons during a run, to unlock prophecies (and iirc a third to chaos)
3. just focus on whoever you like most, since the main thing you get is dialogue

[last swan]

Thanks so far I’ve only unlocked all aspects of the Black Coat, who do I have to talk to for the staff and axe?

[vivid flare]

Well, who did you have to talk to for the hidden Coat?

[wary night]

think abt it yourself but answer here
||it's always the NPC the second aspect is named after! i.e. how Coat came from Selene||

[vivid flare]

There's a pattern to the unlock phrases

[last swan]

lol ok I’ll try to figure it out

[indigo wadi]

the guy already at the base.then what?

[vivid flare]

Go do another run

[pallid sparrow]

||Typhon is.....wow||

[woven crag]

not sure if this is a bug or not but hecate codex entry says: ||"hecate is still holding something back... perhaps you may grow closer if you knew why."
and the last heart is unlocked. is this correct or should the last heart be locked?||

[tidal moss]

You'll find out in due time

[woven crag]

Ahhh so its intended for it to be unlocked. I thought i missed a heart event or something

[cunning tendon]

Can someone tell me what ||last gasp|| does

[tidal moss]

You do more damage per dd used

[cunning tendon]

Oh

Should have got that one but eh well still won

Did it with the torches this time and damn they are really good

[wary night]

tbh it's not a huge damage bonus unless you died a lot
if you refilled your DDs and burned through them again or have additional sources of DDs like toula/stalwart stand then it can go hard
but if you just lost 3 total then it's just a bit of damage%, nothing crazy

also congrats on the win and I love torches lol, so glad you're enjoying them

[cunning tendon]

I only have 1 death defiance

[wary night]

ah yeah, then it would be I think just 8% damage, which is... rather small
which boon did you end up picking instead?

[cunning tendon]

Ty yeah it's kinda cheap lol

[cunning tendon]

Regenerating by dealing damage

I also had some heals from selene as my hex

[fierce hull]

how can I get ride of hecate I keep dying from her every time

and what should I get weapon

witch stuff or sister blades or moonstone axe

[wary night]

if you're having trouble with hecate then unlocking more arcana cards (and maybe upgrading some) is definitely a good idea! for weapons any of those three can work, it depends on what you feel most confident in
I like staff > axe > blade but all three can beat hecate for sure

[cunning tendon]

Moonstone axe is my least fav weapon

My first win was with the sister blades then the torches

[wary night]

the base form of moonstone axe isn't anywhere near my favorite, but ||I like some of the aspects a lot! I just got a new personal best casual speedrun time with one of them ||
and some ppl really like the axe, it's just very slow

[cunning tendon]

Yeah it keeps you vulnerable for quite a time

[fierce hull]

for me I can't bc my health get lower and I die easily lol but I'll try to , and I have cards already not all

[fierce hull]

samee

[wary night]

which cards are you using for runs, and have you raised your "grasp" very much?

[fierce hull]

so should I choose sistet blade

r

[fierce hull]

idk leme check but where do I check that

[wary night]

are you in a run right now, or back at the crossroads?

[fierce hull]

no am training master

at*

[wary night]

if you're at the crossroads, you can go up to the "alter of ashes" in the training grounds and look there
you can't link images here but this website is good for sending arcana: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck
click the cards that are activated for you (activated not just unlocked), click "generate url" and then copy paste that here

or list the names if you'd rather, but I like that website

[fierce hull]

okay thank u

[wary night]

also, god mode is an option in the settings, it's not an insta-win button but if you're struggling to make progress then turning it on temporarily may help! it just makes you resist some damage, and resist a bit more each time you die

[coral hamlet]

Any advice on what to try cos I always seem to be swapping to the same things like Aphrodite builds and king tide spam, nothing else ever feels any good

[wary night]

what weapon(s) do you like? pretty much every god is good for something, and what's best usually changes based on your build
i.e. hestia and poseidon are good on fast but weak weapons

[coral hamlet]

Idk, IV enjoyed aspect of than, black coat omegas are fun, aspect of Mel with double shot I like to

Aspect of Mel staff*

[wary night]

hmm, on aspect of Than I'd probably go with something like Apollo, Aphrodite, or Hera on attack
also in general Zeus is good on almost every weapon 🤷
do you like omega moves on Than axe, or just the fast attack speed?

[upbeat sedge]

i like demeter on than

ideally not on attack (you want apollo/aphro/hera), but in general freeze is strong and helps you stay safe and preserve your crit, alongside snow queen which is another safety boon

and you have weed killer as an option to boost your damage as well

[split silo]

I could never complain about demeter cast, such a great defensive boon

[little dust]

Demeter cast is huge for safety love it

[cunning tendon]

Aphrodite is really good for the sister blades especially the one that says "your attack deal more damage to nearby foes" since the attack for sister blades is nearby regardless

There could be better but thats from my experience

[indigo wadi]

how many stage to us to enter the boss stage

[cunning tendon]

Honestly idk

I just play and survive till the boss

[indigo wadi]

ok ok

[wary night]

it varies from region to region
ik in the last region of the underworld there are ||5 chambers of combat before the boss if you don't take side rooms|| for instance
less certain about early regions, iirc erebus is over 10 under 15 but I'm bad at remembering

[split silo]

erebus is 11, 12 is final shop, 13 is boss

[wary night]

thank you! I was going to say 11 but I wasn't confident lol

[wary night]

does the speedcord or somewhere similar have a doc/resource with room counts for each region? would be good to have on hand, since the wiki is kinda useless for stuff like that in my experience (so far)
edit: maybe this...? https://discord.com/channels/940392249844465694/1248927281968189460
edit 2: hm no, seems like fields layouts

[indigo wadi]

ok ty,but how about can we stack the boon.for the contect i use skull wp n get boon that orb automitly comeback.than i get boon that we can shoot all orb all at once.can we stack that?

[split silo]

not sure, you might find it in the speedtech threads, but i dont know offhand if its there or not. could ask and someone already knows them

i know ||fields usual is 2-3 encounter room->miniboss->echo->2-3 encounter room, final shop->boss, so thats 6 locations there||

[wary night]

aha! https://discord.com/channels/940392249844465694/1240274692665901086 this looks promising

[wary night]

I'm not 100% sure I know what you mean, but:
the only boons that don't stack are the ones that go in "core" boon slots, i.e. the 5 that are always visible on the left of your screen.
the two you described sound like Daedalus Hammer upgrades, and can stack with each other 👍
but you couldn't stack "Arctic Ring" from Demeter with "Storm Ring" from Zeus, since those are both core boons

[split silo]

looks good at first glance, maybe some nuances are outdated though, no clue

[indigo wadi]

ya i mean the hammer upgrade sorry

[split silo]

Hammer upgrades can indeed stack together, yes

[indigo wadi]

hope someone got the clip of that combo,i skip that part cuz i afraid that will get replace

[split silo]

It works exactly like how you think it does, it will shoot all 4, and then all 4 will come back

[tardy zealot]

Is there anyone who can provide a resource that explains how % damage, flat damage, global damage, Olympian damage all works? I'm tired of not knowing what I'm actually doing when I pom or upgrade my boons. I don't understand the formula from the wiki. Sorry for the lame question

[indigo wadi]

Will the orbs spread out or line up ?

[split silo]

Spread out, the Wide Grin hammer (which is the one that sends out all skulls at once) shoots them in a spread arc pattern

[indigo wadi]

that sad i thought will be line up but thx for the info

[wary night]

the damage formula in general is just:
base damage + any boosts to "power"
multiply that by the sum of all % boosts
multiply that by crit (or crit-like effects from ares) if applicable

some sources of damage% only apply to a specific thing (i.e. your attack, special, cast), and "global" damage like the origination arcana card applies to everything

"olympian damage" basically means damage that comes entirely from boons—you could contrast it with "Mel damage" lol from her weapon and Ω cast, I guess. boons with a % damage boost buff damage that Mel can already do, but anything with a flat damage number is adding a new hit to her kit, not enhancing something she already does. for those boons, the listed flat damage is the base damage, and they benefit from global damage% and any boons which specifically buff olympian damage%

so, when you pom something like Apollo's attack boon, you're increasing the % by which it buffs your attack's base damage

when you pom something like Zeus's attack boon, you're increasing the base damage of Blitz, which is then pumped through any sources of damage% you have to get the final number

does that more or less make sense...? idk if I'm explaining it well and there are edge cases and things which work in weird ways, but that's the basic idea afaik

[tardy zealot]

I'm very very bad at math, like embarrassingly bad but I think I understand some of this.. I don't understand the whole concept of diminishing returns when upping % damage and I don't understand how to know when I'm wasting poms vs upping something else and when to stop worrying about damage

Thank you though!!!

[split silo]

Poms in general have diminishing returns, so if you have a boon at say, level 4, one extra pom wouldnt do much (Except for hepheastus attack and special)

[wary night]

the diminishing returns thing isn't really about the formula, it's just built in
like going from lv1 to lv2 might take you from +40% to +60%, but then lv3 is +70%, lv4 is +75% or something
those are just made up numbers, but it's not a formula thing just... the boost is smaller the higher your level gets

[tardy zealot]

Because heph stuff is time based???

Got it

[wary night]

heph blasts also have a cap, so until you get them to 2s cooldown poms are great

[indigo wadi]

we only have 1 pet till the end?

[wary night]

you can unlock up to ||5|| total pets long before the ending! you just have to find them out in the wild

[tardy zealot]

And give them those bones they like

[indigo wadi]

oh ok i though i must buy from the shop hehe

[wary night]

frinos is ofc at home
||another is in the erebus fountain room that you unlock via an incantation||
||another is on the surface, on the docks right before rift of thessaly||
and then the remaining ones you won't be able to bond with at first, ||hecate needs to give you permission since they're her familiars||
but once that happens then ||one is in the Echo room in fields, and one is in the shop room before the third surface boss||

you can also just go looking yourself! as a hint if you don't want to click the spoilers, they all can be found in various sorts of non-combat rooms, half in the underworld and half on the surface

[tardy zealot]

Ok my next question is what if I start the game with a lucky epic special.... then I get a Pom a few rooms later... is that Pom still going to upgrade that epic special a lot or is that epic special so good already that the Pom and diminishing returns stuff is still making it not as good as I thought?

[wary night]

HM my impression is that the first couple levels of poms are always going to be really nice, if the boon is a main damage source
rarity makes them start at a higher baseline, but idt rarity means poms become useless
that said, if you're choosing which boon to pom, there are other things which influence that, like which of your boons is doing the most of your total damage

in general idt pom levels are something you need to worry about too much, if you follow your intuition about what's best you'll do fine 🤷 + knowing that heph blasts really love poms

[tardy zealot]

Hmmmm

Ok ok

[stark leaf]

What are the names of each of ||Chronos's|| fight themes?

[wary night]

The Titan of Time
The End of Time
iirc it's just those two, the first one includes phases 1 and 2 of his normal fight and the second is ||rivals||

[stark leaf]

Ah thanks

[cunning tendon]

Whats the song that plays once you get to oceanus

[slim spear]

I have a theory regarding this game that I know I will probably prove or disprove as I play the game further

but I want to type it in anyway

where do i do it, here or #h2-story-discussion

Blast, I'll just type it in here.

[split silo]

You could do it in either, but if you write it here, make sure to spoiler tag it. In #h2-story-discussion they might prove/disprove your theory since most people have completed the game in there

or hell you might get accidentally spoiled

[cunning tendon]

This game is very addictive

[slim spear]

Theory
||Hecate is going to be revealed as someone who knows, or is related to Chronos. ||
||This may be a bit of a reach, but I thought of this because Chronos is very particular about beating Meli by outnumbering her. He has no 'honor' (I use this as a broad term here, by it I mean anything that would involve Chronos honoring a 1v1). All the underworld path bosses have a common theme of summoning minions at each phase change, but the trend starts with Hecate. ||

i'm not done i accidentally pressed enter

[cunning tendon]

And hades 2 is much more addictive than hades cuz it has much more content

[slim spear]

||Some pieces of Hecate's dialogue and voice acting sound like they're almost... regretful. And sometimes, it feels almost as if she has done this before. For her to train Meli to become the one to beat Chronos so competently, she has to be experienced in things like these. Not to mention the Silver Pool having her torches. Maybe in another time, long ago, she had access to the Silver Pool the same way Meli does and her weapon of choice became the torches.||

||In a way, Meli seems to be Hecate's successor in more ways than one.||

I may have spammed too much Dionysus build in the first game for me to come up with this theory

[split silo]

All I will say is your assumption is right regarding that you will know more about this and prove/disprove it as you progress through the game!

[slim spear]

i knew that lol

but i felt like i just HAD to say something, else i'll burst from keeping it to myself

[split silo]

Yeah i just didnt wanna say anything that might accidentally spoil

[slim spear]

thanks for your vigilance

also can someone music oriented tell me whether there is an amen break in The Titan of TIme

because I swear I keep hearing it but it's not there

[tidal moss]

Not that i've heard

[slim spear]

thanks

maybe there's a sample or two here and there unless darren korb records the drums live

[fallen zealot]

hello just noticed there will changes to finale with new patch and I am close to getting last components to defeat ||Typhon || and Chronos.
should I wait it out?

[fierce hull]

I GOT MOROS safe gang

the way he calls melinoe princess

[sly nova]

i’d just keep going cause i’d assume the ending would be the updated one

[mystic pecan]

Anyone know when Hades 2 is coming to PlayStation? Ik it hasn't been announced but anyone have an idea?

[split silo]

H1 came to PS and Xbox a year after initial release, that’s as much as we can base it off of.

but SGG did grow as a studio so it might come faster this time around

[mystic pecan]

Oh bet. I recently got Hades 1 on ps and I'm so addicted but Hades 2 came out and I am a little scared that if I buy it on steam it wouldn't have the same feeling

[fierce hull]

I was about to win. I lost

[tidal moss]

I always win, except for when I lose

[fierce hull]

it's hard am still stuck at hecate

I can't kill her

[tidal moss]

||vor||?

[fierce hull]

wdym

[dense anchor]

do you have the ||vow of rivals|| on?

[tidal moss]

Nvm, are you just stuck on normal hecate? What's killing you

[sly nova]

lwk put on god mode to if youre struggling with remembering her moves💔 helped me get through my first few runs

[vivid flare]

I want to say there is one in the first phase

[sullen current]

he’s such a cutie

[fierce hull]

yeahh frr so cute

[torn barn]

Gd but supergiant cooked on the rivals bosses. I haven't even made it to rivals Chronos or Yoou-know-who, but they are just so much more thought out than they felt in Hades 1.

Like compare unrivaled Hecate to the multiple siren fight, aint no comparison

Also, the first time I made it to the third unrivaled boss on the surface, I cried a little when I saw what I had done to myself

[earnest inlet]

Does using god mode restrict on achievements

[short silo]

afaik it doesn't lock you out of anything

[sly nova]

nah

[pallid sparrow]

Anyone here got any suggestions for ||Typhon? I can use the torches, sister blades and staff best, I have yet to use the Black Coat. His pink energy ball is what gets me because it explodes into other balls ||

[split silo]

||Staying under his head allows you to ignore all of his attacks besides the gusts and the chin slam

for the splitting ball, you dash upwards and start running(still upwards)||

[wise knoll]

||He tends to have very clear tells for each attack so keep a close eye on him. Most of the time you will dodge most things by being just right up in his face.

• at that range, the biggest danger is the chin slam; when you see his horns glowing red, run back
• for the sweeping tongue laser, the tongue itself is not a hitbox so just be in his face
• for gusts, they’re a bit easier to dodge if you’re farther back
• for orbs, pick a top corner and you’ll avoid most of it
• for spinning blades, just stay at the top for the first two sweeps then dash down before the third; sometimes you’re forced to eat it or take a chin slam, in which case just dodge the chin slam and eat the blades
• otherwise, you eventually get good enough at the game to regularly have strong enough builds to blitz through his phases: these days I can get him to change phases before he even has a chance to attack at all sometimes, or at most fewer than like 5 attacks||

[chilly citrus]

Am I doing something wrong? I want Empathy's Intuition incantation, says get 7 keepsakes (I have unlocked all of them, literally all), and obviously I have picked up the flowers. But it's not unlocking

[shy zephyr]

wiki is severely outdated fyi

[chilly citrus]

i see. Do we know what is required then?

[toxic raptor]

Is that the one to see your relationship with the characters?

[chilly citrus]

correct

i have gotten the true ending already, and a bunch more after that. Still locked

[toxic raptor]

You have to gift at least one nectar to every god

[chilly citrus]

all keepsakes unlocked, including the secret ones, which means gift have been given to all no?

otherwise, how else do i check if someone has been gifted if not keepsakes?

[toxic raptor]

Oh didn’t see that mb

I’m not to sure then

Have you gifted multiple to a god or one for each?

[chilly citrus]

one each, been saving nectar until i unlock this incantation so i can take it from there based on whom i want to gift more to

[toxic raptor]

I remember I had the same issue then realised I hadn’t gifted to Hermes’ yet I gifted him then I unlocked the incantation

I had already given 3 to appollo and 3 to posiden

[chilly citrus]

but i have his keepsake

[toxic raptor]

So if you want try that

I’m not to sure though tbh

[chilly citrus]

i'll just keep gifting i guess

[toxic raptor]

Are yoy playing on the new patch preview?

[chilly citrus]

no

[toxic raptor]

Yea it’s just bugged then just stay gifting abit more then it should unlock hopefully

[chilly citrus]

sounds good, ty for trying

[upbeat obsidian]

been thinking of giving the torches another shot
i may love charon axe, but being so immobile has its challenges

any pointers on usinbg them better
been thinking fine line, born gain and maybe burn

[sonic rock]

Stay at a distance and focus on boons that regen your magick

[wary night]

that sounds good for moros/mel torches! personally I’d go hitch attack on Moros, the omega attacks deal great damage.
if you want fine line you could also try to throw in Poseidon for ripple effect. Blitz specials are also always nice

[sonic rock]

Any tips for chronos?

[upbeat obsidian]

i find taking it slow works well

[sonic rock]

When would you say is the best time to attack

I find his ||second phase|| to be easier

I'm having issues with his ||first phase||

[upbeat obsidian]

preferably when hes not about to charge or swipe at you

[sonic rock]

Oh i see thank you

[upbeat obsidian]

the ospecial on the coat seems fun
wonder when i get aspects for it

[wary night]

which coat aspects do you have so far?

[upbeat obsidian]

nah iwas just confused why i didnt get access to any after unlockiong it but they appreared after a run or two

also, my recent mel torch hestia + demeter run went hard with its nukes
still
||Typhon|| whooped my butt

[tight mantle]

So question how many weapons do i have to max out before i can deepen my bond with Hephaestus?

[cunning tendon]

Can someone tell me what ||Dissolution of time|| does?

[upbeat sedge]

It progresses the story

[cunning tendon]

I dont have the materials lol

[upbeat sedge]

Wow, maybe you might need to play the game more to get the materials

[cunning tendon]

Lmao

Ill try exploring the areas before leaving

[weak iris]

like the first game you'll have to finish the game enough times to progress the story

[placid belfry]

if it helps, the materials you need for that incantation come from defeating certain bosses, so no need to spend time searching every room

[late patio]

hey guys not a big deal just wanted to say that when i go into chaos realm

the text and stuff that appears is super grainy

[cunning tendon]

I got 2 underworld wins rn

Btw i got the thing that adds your keepsake after every guardian boss

[vivid flare]

Almost all his attacks can be avoided by standing behind him

[upbeat obsidian]

I may like mel torches a little too much
Things melt everything with burn

[cunning tendon]

It's quite strong and easier to use

[weak iris]

i think you need at least 5 to 6 wins to continue the story

[cunning tendon]

Did it again

I unlocked even more stuff i can upgrade my arcana now

[cunning tendon]

So they reduced it huh

U needed 10 wins in the first game

[weak iris]

the story have a turn later

in total i think you need 11 or 12

don't want to give any spoilers cuz i don't know where you're at

[tidal moss]

You need ||8 uw wins and 5 sf wins as of the patch preview||

[cunning tendon]

I beat ||chronos|| 3 times and never taked on the surface basically

[tidal moss]

U have about 7-8 more wins to go then between uw and sf

[tight mantle]

Okay so nem is offering a fair trade
(Bridal glow for gold) does that undo the bridal glow’s effect even though its already happened?

[tidal moss]

No

[cunning tendon]

I can upgrade my starting HP now it should make the surface less brutal now

[weak iris]

if you're talking about the curse getting a bigger life bar won't help

[thin swan]

Wait, does ||hades|| keepsake stay in effect even once you swap off of it? Have I been keeping it on entire runs for no reason?

[weary tartan]

spoilers but yes it does

[thin swan]

Sorry fixed it, but thank you thats super handy to know

Could've helped a lot in earlier runs lol

[weary tartan]

I believe all the ||fates whim|| keepsakes do

[thin swan]

Very interesting, is the ||Zagreus|| one just a couple uses and then its gone for good? Doesn't recharge or anything?

[weary tartan]

yeah

tho levelled up it's like 8 or something

[tidal moss]

6

[thin swan]

Oh wow thats a lot, I only just got it so mines still level 1

[weary tartan]

damn it I really am getting too old

memory's going too now

[thin swan]

I just got the drops are worth more from poiseidon while also having chance to double drops. Every single pickup got doubled

that was crazy

[weary tartan]

Haha! Yes!

[thin swan]

He is doing me well this run, just went from like 200 coins to 1400 in the span of just a few rooms

[tidal moss]

HAVE ANOTHER

[thin swan]

Vow of rivals finally beat, hell yeah

If I swap from a ||fates whim ||keepsake into say Zeus's, do I lose the ||f|ates whim|| effect entirely or will I still find higher level boons?

[tidal moss]

You lose the effect and as of the preview patch the ||hades boon||

[thin swan]

Okay thats very good to know thank you, but the other keepsakes are still fair game? like knuckle bones ect?

[tidal moss]

Anything Olympian except dio is off limits

[thin swan]

alright sweet, cheers

[vivid flare]

I mean, it's 8 if you get Cherished Heirloom

[mossy kiln]

Hey so not exactly a new player (I've killed Chronos ||twice|| and gotten to ||Typhon|| once but this thing still stumps me

How do you dodge Cerberus' slam attack.

I want to make very clear what I mean by this, first I mean the one where he raises his paw up, slaps the ground then like a quarter second later there's a huge shockwave.

I also mean "how" to be a statement of complete and utter confusion. I don't mean this in a "oh this move is too fast, or not telegraphed well enough, how is a reasonable human supposed to dodge it" but just straight up I do not know what the game wants from me. The shockwave is as far as I can tell, about 50% bigger than your dash distance, meaning that if you are using the vast majority of the weapons in the game, and he uses that, you can't get out of it, and the slight delay means that dodging through it isn't an option either because your iframes just don't last long enough. to get through both the paw connecting with the ground and the shockwave that comes after.

What am I missing here?

[tidal moss]

Just as his paw comes down dodge into it

[mossy kiln]

so aim to be under the paw when the dash ends because when the shockwave comes out the paw hitbox will be deactivated?

[tidal moss]

Or you can dodge through him, the shockwave doesn't extend out the back

[tidal moss]

No, you need to dash through the paw as it lands, you can Iframe the inital slam and the shockwave with the right timing

[mossy kiln]

ah thought it did

[tidal moss]

It does a tiny bit but not enough to be a threat

I have a hitless vor cerb clip if you want to see how it's done

[mossy kiln]

that would be genuinely helpful, is it posted somewhere in here or will you just link it

[tidal moss]

I can link it, just letting you know it's spoilers for an alternate version of the boss so if you're happy to wait a few hours I can do a normal one

[mossy kiln]

in that case I'll pass. I'll try it myself and either the advice will click or I'll be doing something wrong and I'll come back and ask for your help.

[tidal moss]

Mkay sounds good

[tidal moss]

I lied I do have the normal fight https://imgur.com/1IXvj84

[mossy kiln]

maybe I missed it in all the particle effects but I think in this case you killed it before it could get that particular attack off. Again I'll do a run where I'm actively trying to dodge through that attack (I think in most cases I've been either panicking or simply numb to it so wasn't trying variations, this time I'll try till I get it right)

[weak iris]

circe's staff is a good choice ?

[tidal moss]

Fair enough

[tidal moss]

Are you talking about the double ground slap or the one where he chases you round

[tidal moss]

Yes

[weak iris]

i'll try it latter

[mossy kiln]

both? idk now I'm not sure. I could have sworn he has one where he swats the ground without chasing, although I think the chase one tripped me up too.

Been doing surface runs for a bit can't quite remember

ima fix that now be back in a bit

[tidal moss]

He does the normal ground thing in that clip, for the chase one unless you're confident you just gotta run

[mossy kiln]

oh yeah I saw that, but it looked different than I remembered, but there was another aoe on the ground during it that might be why

[tidal moss]

Yeah he only did it then

You'll get better with the timing it's quite an easy boss

[weak iris]

Any tips of how to use the axe if i think it's too slow ? tried Thanatos aspect but even then i still think it's just too slow

[tidal moss]

You want to be using only dash attack and special on mel axe, for than it's a lot of dash strikes and just getting the timing and dash/special cancels down

[weak iris]

Thanks, i'll try that later

[thin swan]

Am I tripping or is burning desire like REALLY good as a duo boon?

oh nvm there's a scorch cap, so sad

[wheat wren]

That's what Pyro Technique and Freezer Burn are for

[thin swan]

What do they do again?

[cunning tendon]

I love scorch my fav inflict

[tidal moss]

Pryo increases scorch tick rate, freezer burn deals damage based on how much scorch is stacked when freeze is inflicted

[cunning tendon]

Got 4 wins now

[thin swan]

Oh wow that sounds like a crazy set of combos lol

[tidal moss]

Yeah scorch is really solid, can never go wrong

[thin swan]

I pretty much always take scorch just didn't realise it's duos were so strong

Does freezer burn work on bosses even though you can't freeze them?

[tidal moss]

Hestia and heph duos are some of my favourites

[tidal moss]

Yes they just get slowed instead of frozen

[thin swan]

Ahhh gotcha. And yeah heph is great i love him

[cunning tendon]

I did a run with scorch and something called your foes get struck by lightning and bounces it was good

[thin swan]

Hell yeah

[cunning tendon]

Torches lol

[vivid flare]

Static Discharge

AKA chain lightning

[cunning tendon]

Yeah

So far my fav weapons are sister blades and torches

I forgot to unlock 1 last weapon

[twin jetty]

My favorite weapon is the axe it hits like a truck and feels really good to use

[cunning tendon]

I die very quick with the axe

[twin jetty]

Try Demeter on the cast. She makes it a lot easier to get hits in without taking damage.

[cunning tendon]

Thats smart actually

It slows them down

[twin jetty]

Yeah, how far into the game are you?

[vivid flare]

Use the Special more, it resets your attack chain

And, IIRC, can also be used to animation cancel the Attack?

[tidal moss]

Yes

[cunning tendon]

Beat ||chronos|| 4 times

[cunning tendon]

Yeah that last attack is very slow lol

[vivid flare]

Yep, which is why you are ideally never using it

Even with the hammers that buff it, that garbage is not worth the wait

[twin jetty]

I honestly like the last attack, it's just a goal of positioning

[twin jetty]

Do you have aspects unlocked?

[cunning tendon]

Not yet

Wait im not sure tbh i might have i need to check

[vivid flare]

Check the cauldron for the "Aspects of Night and Darkness" incantation

[twin jetty]

If you do they significantly increase the DPS/survivability on the axe. All of the axe ones are really good.

[cunning tendon]

Nice

For hades 1 it took me a while to realize i unlocked aspects lol

[twin jetty]

I think it takes longer to max all aspects in Hades 2 unless you maximize the gain just because it's not a guarantee every run

[tidal moss]

It's 100% faster

[cunning tendon]

Still dont know how to survive the surface lol and death defiances are useless up there

[tidal moss]

If you focus it, you can ||order from charon, buy from broker, and get tons from testaments||

[tidal moss]

You unlock an incantion that lets you survive

[twin jetty]

Yeah that's what I mean by maximize the gain

[cunning tendon]

oh

I figured there would be something like this

I miss ares and athena

[tidal moss]

...

You're gonna love the surface

[twin jetty]

Yeah me too, for || different reasons then you expect||

[cunning tendon]

I bet i will

[tidal moss]

I mean you're gonna get slam dunked by the enemies and bosses at first but apart from that it's fun

[cunning tendon]

I probably will but worth it

[toxic raptor]

Idk if it was just me but I beat surface on my second attempt

To be fair I did use 6 death defiances on typhoon 😭

[cunning tendon]

Burning desire or slow cooker?

Which boon is better i cant pick

[wary night]

what's your build? if most of your damage is coming from scorch then burning desire, but if your attack and/or special have some good damage% boons on them then slow cooker

[cunning tendon]

Oh i do have a scorch build with torches

Im going with that then

[cunning tendon]

Finally got the incantation that lets you survive on the surface

But i dont have all the materials 💀

[wary night]

which are you missing? ||skelly gives you a hint about one||.
if you forget-me-not the incantation you should also be able to see some hints in your inventory

in general nobody has the materials for that when they first get it, so dw about that, it's a universal experience

[cunning tendon]

Im gonna need to complete 1 more underground run i think

I assume ||moros is related to chaos or something so i wanna see the dialogue when i meet chaos next time||

Btw i maxed out my bond with chaos

[sonic rock]

I just beat him!!

[unborn plaza]

get rid of the ads first, and he usually combos his attacks (dash-throw-slam, 3xslash, slash-dash-slash,...)

[sonic rock]

I think his attacks are well telegraphed i just learnt each of them and dodged accordingly and it worked out!

Now,the surface..

[humble saffron]

Had my first run with ||Shiva|| and

Elephant rockets hammer felt worse?

I still cleared underworld but just saying

[wary night]

it definitely plays differently
the boosted base power is very nice, but personally I like how shiva Ωspec aims better without it (altho I know most people feel the opposite way)

[tidal moss]

It's way better

In terms of damage anyway

[humble saffron]

I was used to that adamant rail aspect (Eris?)

Maybe that’s why

[wary night]

yeah, if you like rail specials in hades 1 (or trippy shot lol) then normal shiva Ωspec feels very comfy

[humble saffron]

Yeah I also liked trippy shot lol

[wary night]

I just need to play shiva more in general tbh, especially since the base power from that hammer got buffed by +200% in the patch currently in preview
seems very strong, just aims differently than I'd like

[humble saffron]

My fav aspect was Beowulf so I was recommended Shiva here and I can see why, but the omega attack aim is a bit clunkier than Beowulf

[wary night]

you may like Medea too, although Medea is a lot faster and less safe feeling than Beowulf was

[humble saffron]

I maxxed Medea and will give it a try

[split silo]

can confirm. beowulf was my favourite in H1. Medea is my favourite by far in H2

[humble saffron]

So far my favorite is Mel skull, esp with wide grin and fetching array

Easy mode if you get origination going

[split silo]

wide grin actually nullifies the aspect’s bonus lol

[humble saffron]

Yeah read about that

[split silo]

if you wanna wide grin, go persephone skull

[humble saffron]

Whoa just learned about the Heph legendary

[wary night]

it's very cool
kinda underwhelming on some weapons compared to other, but really fun to build around

[stiff hawk]

Poseidon/Hestia + Rocket best

[hard zenith]

doesnt ||VoR chaos trials|| for ||cerberus and prometheus|| exist ? i got the first 2 bosses but not them, i already beaten them both but they dont have ||trials|| so i can't practise.

[tidal moss]

No

[hard zenith]

thats a shame 😭 i really thought it was bugged or smth

[tight mantle]

Does the apollo legendary work with the snakes momus staff drops?

[upbeat sedge]

No, you get 4 hits instead of 3

[hard zenith]

i have moros's keepsake, demeter hera boon says it makes keepsakes stronger, will it give me more hp when it revives or more seconds?

[tight mantle]

Ah that sucks

[upbeat sedge]

Note that the mirrored thrasher and dual moonshot hammers work the good way, resulting in 6 hits instead of 3

[split silo]

HP, becomes 90 HP i think

[wise knoll]

Took me an embarrassingly long time to realize that the Hera-Demeter duo upgraded keepsakes beyond their normal cap 💀 I took it just for the all-duos prophecy super early on, before I had any keepsakes at 3*, so of course it didn't upgrade any of them beyond that and I thought nothing of it

In hindsight, some critical thinking would have been enough for me to realize they probably wouldn't include a duo that was entirely useless to endgame players

(Similarly with the Circe boon that upgrades your active arcana allowing them to be upgraded beyond their normal moondust cap, which I only just discovered last night; Origination giving 63% instead of the usual 50% is 🔥 )

[crimson stirrup]

Hello! I still don't understand how scorch works. It says "Afflicted foes take 100 damage accrued from this every 1 Sec."

What does "accrued from this" even mean? Why does it say 100 dmg but then the actual boon also has a scorch damage value? When I tried it on single enemies to test, it wasn't a damage over time thing like you would think fire would do.

Fundamentally I want to know what is the best way to maximize damage with it I guess (fast attacks to stack it ? )

Thank youuu

[tidal moss]

So scorch does 100 damage per second as long as there is scorch stacked on an enemy. Whenever you inflict scorch, it will do 100 damage per second, or 100 scorch per second, if you inflict 50 scorch, it will do 50 damage in 0.5 seconds,

You can stack up to 999 scorch on an enemy with repeated attacks

[crimson stirrup]

okok

so it's good with fast attacks like the knives? Applying a lot of scorch quickly

[wise knoll]

Yes, generally you'd prefer to play scorch with fast attacking aspects (or double stacking scorch casts with Circe Staff, as of the preview patch)

[crimson stirrup]

Awesome, thanks a lot!!

[copper depot]

can someone help me pick what door to go through

i can send screenshot in dms

[tidal moss]

Hmu

[copper depot]

i msg u. idk if u see

[vernal hamlet]

Why did the game tell me that || water fitness || downgraded?

[split silo]

did you sell a boon/used king’s ransom/took a sacrifice boon?

[quick fiber]

I had that happen aswell right after leaving a shop while changing nothing

I double checked and I was actually down the water I got from fishing

[vernal hamlet]

Ok, i got it after beating || Prometheus ||

[quick fiber]

Im assuming you didn't have chaos egg on and lost creation for something else

[upbeat obsidian]

So uh
I may have 3 nightmare shards lying around but I'm enjoying Mel torches so much I don't really use them
Guess I'll save them for the ||hidden axe|| when I eventually unlock it. Unless it needs something special

[split silo]

all non-mel aspects use nightmare for upgrades

[reef pawn]

You could've sold, sacrificed or replaced a boon, otherwise if you have the Chaos keepsake it might have swapped away from an ||element granting chaos boon||

[vernal hamlet]

Figured it out, was || personal loan ||

[broken cliff]

so, this true ending stuff is related to ||meeting the fates ending|| right?

[elfin granite]

No. That's the epilogue you're thinking of.

[broken cliff]

true ending then is the ||the thing where you use entropy to make a spell to kill chronos||?

[elfin granite]

yes

[broken cliff]

i see

should I use the thing that ||turns back time|| so I can see the reworked true ending?

[cunning tendon]

Im ngl

Hades 2 has a much deeper story than the first hades

In hades 1 pretty much all you do is get persephone back to the house

Just saw the part when ||the game made us play as hades for some time and showed us the chronos attack||

It was pretty cool

[magic jacinth]

finally found time to play h2 after v1.0 released. i remember in early access we choose which tool to bring (shovel, pickaxe etc) with us to the current run, but now i cant seem to remember where do i choose it?? it is gone now???

[dense anchor]

you don't need to choose a tool now, you can gather any resource you like as long as you've unlocked the tool itself

[magic jacinth]

ooooo nice, thanks. was afraid to miss on mats i needed

[steady glacier]

oh my god is that how it worked in early access? that's horrible

[cunning tendon]

First surface attempt went pretty solid tbh i beat first boss first try and almost beat 2nd boss first try as well

||was the weapon eris used zag's rockets?||

[split silo]

yep, sure is

[short silo]

||It actually is her own aspect that you could unlock in Hades 1||

[split silo]

same thing with ||nemesis using her aspect of the sword||

[cunning tendon]

Oh fr?

Rarely used the rockets in hades 1

Nemesis is much more meaner than nex lol

[short silo]

And likewise, Nem too wields her own aspect

[cunning tendon]

I just remembered i can now unlock aspects

In hades 2

[short silo]

do it, they're good

[cunning tendon]

I will

[vivid flare]

||Gun, and yes, the gun had an Aspect of Eris||

[broken cliff]

so for the epilogue thing ||do I proc engraved pin thrice in a row, and in the location I did I do undo night, or I do undo night in the next location||

[steady glacier]

||do not undo night, just trigger it 3 times and die||

[broken cliff]

||so I die in the very next location||

[steady glacier]

yea

it counts as triggered even if you used a defiance by the way

[broken cliff]

is that fricking ||lilypichu||

[pallid sparrow]

What's ||Scyllas second song she plays when you're in her arena||

Talking about ||Clawing eyes out||

[wheat wren]

I Am Gonna Claw (Out Your Eyes and Drown You to Death)

[thin swan]

First time using aspect of supay, without on hit effects this is kind of ass lmao

[wheat wren]

She has four songs in total

[pallid sparrow]

4 arena songs or are the ||Oceanus songs included||

[wheat wren]

Four arena songs

[pallid sparrow]

She's dropping heat all the time I can't lie

[thin swan]

Anyone got any tips for aspect of supay or is it just get on hit effects and win?

[wheat wren]

Basically. a good strat is Zeus special + Aphro Gain and get Romantic Spark

[thin swan]

Alright thanks, I'm running a|| fates whim|| keepsake currently so I got really nothing I needed and just feel like I'm not doing much lol

[wheat wren]

Zeus is great on Supay in general for blitz, chain lightning, and a good rush

[thin swan]

makes sense

Should I just be spamming omegas off cooldown?

[wheat wren]

No reason not to

[thin swan]

yeah thats what I figured, good to know

Just first tried VoR4 up top, that was such a cool fight

[onyx spoke]

What happens if you sell bridal glow?

(Make a boon heroic)

Does it un-upgrade that boon?

Aaand I should prob try searching before posting 🤦‍♂️

[wheat wren]

It does not, you can safely sell

You lose the element for infusion boons and idk if it'll be offered again tho

[native pagoda]

who should i gift first?

[vivid flare]

From what I remember, it and the Ransoms cannot be re-acquired once sold

[vivid flare]

Moros

[wheat wren]

What about her legendary? tbh it would be extremely rare, but extremely funny, to acquire it twice

[wise reef]

Skelly

[sly nova]

moros

[pallid sparrow]

Who's everyone's favorite friendly npc that gifts you? I like ||Narcissus and Echo best||

[cunning tendon]

Honestly gift anyone i maxed out my bond with both charon and chaos early game i can no longer give them anymore nectar

The game is very generous with the nectar

[cunning tendon]

He gets introduced only if ||you beat the underworld 6 times||

[wary night]

no...? he gets introduced if you do two incantations, which I think you can do before even beating hecate if you die a lot

you do the incantation ||to ask the fates for help, then he shows up and gives you the fated list next time you die||
then if you check the fated list it gives you an incantation to summon him to the crossroads
afaik both incantations only require very early game resources

[cunning tendon]

Oh i talked to him the first time in the dream

[cunning tendon]

Hes in the crossroads rn

Perhaps i did the incantation without realizing lol

[wary night]

then you've already done both of those things!
it just doesn't require beating the underworld at all to get him to the crossroads, so different players will meet him at different times

[cunning tendon]

Ah

[vivid flare]

No, he definitely does not

[torpid vessel]

wait what? 4?
Coral Crown
I Am Gonna Claw
Bewitching Eyes

what is the 4th one?

[vivid flare]

||Rock and a Hard Place||

[wary night]

you unlock it by ||fighting her with vow of rivals turned on||

[torpid vessel]

ngl i never noticed the song being any different lol

i am oblivious ig, i play with Rivals on all the damn time too

[wary night]

it’s only guaranteed different the first time, after that it gets added to the rotation and all 4 songs can play in both versions of the fight

[torpid vessel]

oh wait hold on the lyrics just popped into my mind

i remember it now

[vivid flare]

It unlocks the first time, then becomes part of her repertoire

[wary night]

“now we’ve got you in our tentacles (tentacleeees)” it’s rather catchy lol

[vivid flare]

||Charybdis growling||

[vital shard]

Hello people

I have come here because I am stuck dying to the same boss over and over and i need advice

[wary night]

which boss? it might also be nice to share what weapon you're using/feel most confident in + what your arcana set up is

[vital shard]

uhh rq do i need to spoiler stuff?

this is the new players channel just wanna be sure

[tidal moss]

Just spoiler whatever you want and we'll let you know

[wary night]

also since you can't send screenshots, if you want to share your arcana you can use this site: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck
just click the cards that are active, click "generate url" and copy paste here
(or just list names/take a screenshot and upload it to an image hosting site/private server then paste a link)

[vital shard]

So. I have been stuck on ||Cerberus|| for like ever since my 5th-ish run. I've done enough runs to unlock ||aspects|| and ||familiars ||AND ||the surface|| and i still cannot get past him

[tidal moss]

What attacks are you struggling with, and what aspect are you using